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I'm very suspect you are going to get "EC Legionnaires - its Legionnaires but with different heads/shoulder pads".

I'm imagining it more as "little noise marines" and "big noise marines".
The first mainly get bolters (3/6 to a 5/10 squad?) - plus a few optional sonic/close combat weapons for the rest. Then you get "big noise marines" that are more like Kakophoni that all have big sonic weapons.
   
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They might even introduce 40K kits for the various Daemons, so its not a split from the Daemon codex but also from AOS itself.

Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.

 
   
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chaos0xomega wrote:
Weird, so noise marines are not the "basic EC infantry battleline squad", and instead the new tac legionnaire squad is? That's odd as it shifts noise marines out of the category they used to occupy alongside rubrics, berserkers, and Plague marines

Back in the 3rd edition, when the Index Astartes rules for Emperor's Children were released, their standard unit was the Emperor's Children squad that was just like normal CSM but with MoS and the option of giving one trooper a Sonic Blaster or a Doom Siren and another trooper a Blastmaster, that's why the old Emperor's Children unit box (later renamed "Noise Marines") only came with one of each sonic weapon. Noise Marines, which I guess you were still supposed to use the 2nd edition metals for, was a different unit. GW might be returning to that style of force organization.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
Weird, so noise marines are not the "basic EC infantry battleline squad", and instead the new tac legionnaire squad is? That's odd as it shifts noise marines out of the category they used to occupy alongside rubrics, berserkers, and Plague marines


Kind of makes sense, as Rubrics, Berserkers and Plague marines were just regular marines that were transformed into these special cult troops whilst noise marines were always just a type of troop more associated with the Emperor's Children and not something that happened to them.
   
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May just be a terminology shift or misunderstanding. Kakophani as a version of devastators/ havocs being the "noise marines" would make sense
   
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Yeah that makes sense to me. 10 man squad is noise marines, what valrak is calling noise marines are kakaphoni or something similar

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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
May just be a terminology shift or misunderstanding. Kakophani as a version of devastators/ havocs being the "noise marines" would make sense


Or something like what happened with Dark Eldar Grotesques. They used to just be human sized things. Then in an update they renamedthem "Wracks" and gave the name "Grotesques" to a unit of Ogryn sized things
   
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FAQ/Errata and points updates out.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/g5ot1app/warhammer-40000-balance-update-points-changes-are-here-with-the-new-munitorum-field-manual/

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Note - not a Balance Dataslate, but FAQ/errata updates.

Why the heck has the Castigator gone up in cost?

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

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You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... 
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
Note - not a Balance Dataslate, but FAQ/errata updates.

Why the heck has the Castigator gone up in cost?


Tourney players take three of them in a lot of lists. Solid synergy. I don't play them, only against.

No earth shattering, thought provoking quote. I'm just someone who was introduced to 40K in the late 80's and it's become a lifelong hobby. 
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
Note - not a Balance Dataslate, but FAQ/errata updates.

Why the heck has the Castigator gone up in cost?


Noted and changed.
   
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Sarigar wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
Note - not a Balance Dataslate, but FAQ/errata updates.

Why the heck has the Castigator gone up in cost?


Tourney players take three of them in a lot of lists. Solid synergy. I don't play them, only against.

Thanks, Sarigar - are they doing so because they're busted, or because they're the only option Sisters have which work in that role?

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

tneva82 wrote:
You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... 
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
Note - not a Balance Dataslate, but FAQ/errata updates.

Why the heck has the Castigator gone up in cost?


The WarCom article does mention that a Balance Dataslate will be coming "this year" and will include changes to Miracle Dice, Cult Ambush and Codex Space Marines.
   
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 Asmodai wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
Note - not a Balance Dataslate, but FAQ/errata updates.

Why the heck has the Castigator gone up in cost?


The WarCom article does mention that a Balance Dataslate will be coming "this year" and will include changes to Miracle Dice, Cult Ambush and Codex Space Marines.


That's good, because they took marines out back and beat them with a spiked bat.
   
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Christ Almighty, I'm nearly thru painting a Deathwing boarding patrol and DW Knights caught a stray that throws off that list. I don't think I've managed to finish a single force of ab6out size without GW breaking the points of it before I've finished and gotten it on the table since all this stupid faff about balance started. The shift to catering to tournament play is a blight on this hobby.

   
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There needs to be a 40k stable branch and a 40k bleeding edge branch with much different timescales.
   
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 Prometheum5 wrote:
Christ Almighty, I'm nearly thru painting a Deathwing boarding patrol and DW Knights caught a stray that throws off that list. I don't think I've managed to finish a single force of ab6out size without GW breaking the points of it before I've finished and gotten it on the table since all this stupid faff about balance started. The shift to catering to tournament play is a blight on this hobby.


If you chase what's hot you'll always be a bit behind. The trick to most minis games is to build a baseline collection of a faction and add a meta unit here and there as they get their moment. Trying to do a whole army is just impossible.
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
 Prometheum5 wrote:
Christ Almighty, I'm nearly thru painting a Deathwing boarding patrol and DW Knights caught a stray that throws off that list. I don't think I've managed to finish a single force of ab6out size without GW breaking the points of it before I've finished and gotten it on the table since all this stupid faff about balance started. The shift to catering to tournament play is a blight on this hobby.


If you chase what's hot you'll always be a bit behind. The trick to most minis games is to build a baseline collection of a faction and add a meta unit here and there as they get their moment. Trying to do a whole army is just impossible.


It sounds like Prometheum is trying to build a base rather than meta-chase. It's generally those of us that build a list and try to stick with it that get boned by the constant updates more than the "meta-chasers".

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Lmao chase what's hot, give me a break. I've never in my life looked at playing Dark Angels before but we've been getting into Boarding Actions and I was in a Terminator mood and my local shop still had a Deathwing Assault box. With the increase on DW Knights there is now no Boarding Action 500 pt list you can run with one DWK and one DW Terminator squad and an HQ. We were already considering to house rule Boarding Actions to have a little points overage for elite units and HQs, but the point changes to cater to a specific segment of the player base really make life worse for the rest.


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 The Phazer wrote:
There needs to be a 40k stable branch and a 40k bleeding edge branch with much different timescales.


This is an insane suggestion to have to make, but I actually love it.

Edit- for people wondering why this pisses me off so much, I'll go back to my 1000pt Nidzilla list that I started on for 10th that was designed to fit foam and everything to be an easy to bring places and play force, and GW broke the points just as I was finishing them up, never got to use it it's happened multiple times. People come up with lists and build to them, and the points changes get in the way of people building and playing with their models.

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 Prometheum5 wrote:
Lmao chase what's hot, give me a break. I've never in my life looked at playing Dark Angels before but we've been getting into Boarding Actions and I was in a Terminator mood and my local shop still had a Deathwing Assault box. With the increase on DW Knights there is now no Boarding Action 500 pt list you can run with one DWK and one DW Terminator squad and an HQ. We were already considering to house rule Boarding Actions to have a little points overage for elite units and HQs, but the point changes to cater to a specific segment of the player base really make life worse for the rest.


These points changes are made assuming you're using Pariah Nexus missions.

If you're playing Crusade or Boarding Actions, the rules assumptions behind the points changes may not be valid anyway.
   
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 Asmodai wrote:
 Prometheum5 wrote:
Lmao chase what's hot, give me a break. I've never in my life looked at playing Dark Angels before but we've been getting into Boarding Actions and I was in a Terminator mood and my local shop still had a Deathwing Assault box. With the increase on DW Knights there is now no Boarding Action 500 pt list you can run with one DWK and one DW Terminator squad and an HQ. We were already considering to house rule Boarding Actions to have a little points overage for elite units and HQs, but the point changes to cater to a specific segment of the player base really make life worse for the rest.


These points changes are made assuming you're using Pariah Nexus missions.

If you're playing Crusade or Boarding Actions, the rules assumptions behind the points changes may not be valid anyway.


Don't even get me started on 'seasons', what a crock. There's a cutout listed in the Field Manual for Crusade players, but I guess people who bought Boarding Actions can suck it. This is why trying to find players and play 40k 'the right way' sucks ass.

   
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 Prometheum5 wrote:
Lmao chase what's hot, give me a break. I've never in my life looked at playing Dark Angels before but we've been getting into Boarding Actions and I was in a Terminator mood and my local shop still had a Deathwing Assault box. With the increase on DW Knights there is now no Boarding Action 500 pt list you can run with one DWK and one DW Terminator squad and an HQ. We were already considering to house rule Boarding Actions to have a little points overage for elite units and HQs, but the point changes to cater to a specific segment of the player base really make life worse for the rest.


Apologies, I missed the "boarding patrol" in that post. My bad making assumptions.

Honestly, that whole ruleset feels like it was designed around the Indexes only. You should absolutely, 100% feel free to adjust things for it as you see fit as GW really hasn't put a lot of thought into it. The Agents codex released on the same day breaks all sorts of things in it.

DWKs are pretty nuts though. 6 wound minimum terminators are no joke, though personally I wish they were more the norm than the exception.
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
 Prometheum5 wrote:
Lmao chase what's hot, give me a break. I've never in my life looked at playing Dark Angels before but we've been getting into Boarding Actions and I was in a Terminator mood and my local shop still had a Deathwing Assault box. With the increase on DW Knights there is now no Boarding Action 500 pt list you can run with one DWK and one DW Terminator squad and an HQ. We were already considering to house rule Boarding Actions to have a little points overage for elite units and HQs, but the point changes to cater to a specific segment of the player base really make life worse for the rest.


Apologies, I missed the "boarding patrol" in that post. My bad making assumptions.

Honestly, that whole ruleset feels like it was designed around the Indexes only. You should absolutely, 100% feel free to adjust things for it as you see fit as GW really hasn't put a lot of thought into it. The Agents codex released on the same day breaks all sorts of things in it.


We absolutely would, and I agree with you, but it's tough to do that when all the apps keep current. I really do wish the Indexes at the start of an edition were considered 'Stable' Warhammer for non competitive players, and then maybe swap those with the printed freedom of the codexes as they release of you've got to. The current churn model is so hostile to people who just want to play with their toy soldiers.

   
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 Prometheum5 wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
 Prometheum5 wrote:
Lmao chase what's hot, give me a break. I've never in my life looked at playing Dark Angels before but we've been getting into Boarding Actions and I was in a Terminator mood and my local shop still had a Deathwing Assault box. With the increase on DW Knights there is now no Boarding Action 500 pt list you can run with one DWK and one DW Terminator squad and an HQ. We were already considering to house rule Boarding Actions to have a little points overage for elite units and HQs, but the point changes to cater to a specific segment of the player base really make life worse for the rest.


Apologies, I missed the "boarding patrol" in that post. My bad making assumptions.

Honestly, that whole ruleset feels like it was designed around the Indexes only. You should absolutely, 100% feel free to adjust things for it as you see fit as GW really hasn't put a lot of thought into it. The Agents codex released on the same day breaks all sorts of things in it.


We absolutely would, and I agree with you, but it's tough to do that when all the apps keep current. I really do wish the Indexes at the start of an edition were considered 'Stable' Warhammer for non competitive players, and then maybe swap those with the printed freedom of the codexes as they release of you've got to. The current churn model is so hostile to people who just want to play with their toy soldiers.


I think its just something you have to learn to shake off if you're not going to play the standard format. Boarding Patrol is already playing near homebrew rules; like they're just not very well supported or even that well thought out to begin with. That's not to say they aren't fun, just that its very much a "wouldn't it be fun if" system that's very open to "wouldn't it be more fun if" changes to the rules. Like 100% let people play with partial units to save points or what have you. You are almost certainly putting more effort into it than GW has; trust yourself and your friends when you feel like changing something would improve it.
   
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Absolutely agree, and that's all fine for me and my brother playing home games. It's just made it that that's all we do because there's too many hurdles to trying to do that elsewhere with pickup games.

   
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My CSM army got a lot of help from this update, hella. Might even be worth fitting an abominant into my night lords now!
   
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 Prometheum5 wrote:
Absolutely agree, and that's all fine for me and my brother playing home games. It's just made it that that's all we do because there's too many hurdles to trying to do that elsewhere with pickup games.


Pick up games are always driven by Standard formats, but most communities are generally super happy to support someone looking to play other ways. While most everyone at my shop brings a 2000 point list, more often than not, someone only has 1000 or wants to play Boarding or something and you just make something work with the models you've got. The harsh adherence to the rules doesn't matter as much when playing ways that are already a little compromised from tournament expectations.
   
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Fuegan leak:

Spoiler:
   
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And officially revealed:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/9gcmddz9/fuegan-a-phoenix-lord-reborn/

   
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Its a very pretty model. Hopefully means new Fire Dragons too.

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