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Wow.

Here's how great a job I think your doing here, in those last few sets of pics I actually thought you had replaced the head you had been scratch building (not that I thought you needed to) with the head of a FW warhound, turns out you'd just primed it grey!

Really fantastic scratch build. Something I could only ever dream of as I completely lack the patience required to cut plasticard accurately in such volumes.

Bravo, I look forward to the finished beast.

Cheers,

Dante

CMDante wrote:Wow.

Here's how great a job I think your doing here, in those last few sets of pics I actually thought you had replaced the head you had been scratch building (not that I thought you needed to) with the head of a FW warhound, turns out you'd just primed it grey!

Really fantastic scratch build. Something I could only ever dream of as I completely lack the patience required to cut plasticard accurately in such volumes.

Bravo, I look forward to the finished beast.

Cheers,

Dante

Thanks but don't sell yourself short. Cutting plasticard needn't be a chore.

Rough cut the card slightly oversize and glue in place with thin liquid cement.

After it dries dress the intersecting panels with a fine file and voila; a perfect edge and or seam.

THe only real pain in the a-- (and only because there are so many of them) are the rivets.

EB

I've had to tie my jaw to my head, it refuses to stay closed, it's seriously jaw dropping amazing how much detail and love you've put into this project. I wish the best

You missed a rivet it section 19-3 it will fall apart.

sonofruss wrote:You missed a rivet it section 19-3 it will fall apart.

Got it. Thanks,

Blackadder

captain.gordino wrote:This is such a nice scratchbuild. Pure win.

AGREED!!!

Unbelievably awesome. I can't believe that ANYONE could scratchbuild that. Pure genius man. Keep up the great work.

I appreciate the kind words and I hope this next set of pictures justify your accolades. One thing for certain; I won't be painting the this model all primer grey as I did on all my tank models. I just lacks panache so I just might go with one of the FW paint jobs after all.

I have one in mind but I would take a few suggestions gladly. The painting of this beast is a one shot affair and I want to get it right.

As of now it's as plain as a mud fence,

Blackadder

Holy titan batman ! That is exceptionally good, it really doies look like a forgeworld model, it's that accurate !

*whistles* mhm, mucho detail there mate needs more finishing

Wolf wrote:Holy titan batman ! That is exceptionally good, it really does look like a forgeworld model, it's that accurate !

Ah yes the renown British mastery of understatement and sophistication as demonstrated by your avatar and who pray tell might that individual be mugging for the camera???

jamessearle0 wrote:*whistles* mhm, mucho detail there mate needs more finishing

Noted, I had thought of putting wheels on it and offering it as a bilateral amputee but yours is a viable option as well

Thanks for the replies and forgive my jocular responses but I couldn't resist.

The incorrigible Blackadder

Not much to report this weekend; I've been rather busy. I managed to put the detail on one leg: rivets, joint caps and braces on the lower leg around the hydraulics. It's amazing how much thought went into the design of this model. You would think there were actually a working Warhound that the designer took his plans from. Virtually everything makes sense from a technical point of view. From a practical well thats another story.

I also rebuilt three of the eight toes. The poor things took a real beating these past few months and were just too flimsy to stand the gaff of time so I re-designed them stronger and more flexible.

Blackadder

The_Blackadder wrote:It's amazing how much thought went into the design of this model. You would think there were actually a working Warhound that the designer took his plans from. Virtually everything makes sense from a technical point of view. From a practical well thats another story.

I know, right? I began to wonder if you mod this thing into a r/c robot.

I may be mad but I'm not crazy. Making this thing into a functioning robot would be next to impossible. Even Nasa baulked at a bipedal robot as inherently unstable.

Nice to hear from you none the less,

Blackadder

The_Blackadder wrote:I may be mad but I'm not crazy. Making this thing into a functioning robot would be next to impossible. Even Nasa baulked at a bipedal robot as inherently unstable.

Nice to hear from you none the less,

Blackadder

I wouldn't try it, but have you seen those fighting Japanese robots? It it not unheard of.

You just need a very small person, or perhaps a group of trained hamsters, to man it.

Astro-dwarfs, using ancient rune lore to power their mighty machines.

I always figured Titans were replete with suspensors. AFter all, isn't the suspensor effect just the secondary effect of Holtzmann generators? They need Plasma reactors to hold themselves up, as well as power their shields, weapons, and so on. It's not that Mars can't build giant robots, but building robots that are actually stable and efficient requires resources that are running out in the Imperium. Grav-plates are required for anti-gravity vehicles such as Land Speeders and starship grav-plating.

Nurglitch wrote:I always figured Titans were replete with suspensors. AFter all, isn't the suspensor effect just the secondary effect of Holtzmann generators? They need Plasma reactors to hold themselves up, as well as power their shields, weapons, and so on. It's not that Mars can't build giant robots, but building robots that are actually stable and efficient requires resources that are running out in the Imperium. Grav-plates are required for anti-gravity vehicles such as Land Speeders and starship grav-plating.

Wow, that is some deep cannon gak. Have you read everything? I thought I was well read, good answer.

Nurglitch wrote:I always figured Titans were replete with suspensors. AFter all, isn't the suspensor effect just the secondary effect of Holtzmann generators? They need Plasma reactors to hold themselves up, as well as power their shields, weapons, and so on. It's not that Mars can't build giant robots, but building robots that are actually stable and efficient requires resources that are running out in the Imperium. Grav-plates are required for anti-gravity vehicles such as Land Speeders and starship grav-plating.

Interesting answer; I always wondered what actually powered these things but what really piques my concern is: How do the hydraulics work without hoses????

Inquiring minds want to know,

Blackadder

Nurglitch wrote:I always figured Titans were replete with suspensors. AFter all, isn't the suspensor effect just the secondary effect of Holtzmann generators? They need Plasma reactors to hold themselves up, as well as power their shields, weapons, and so on. It's not that Mars can't build giant robots, but building robots that are actually stable and efficient requires resources that are running out in the Imperium. Grav-plates are required for anti-gravity vehicles such as Land Speeders and starship grav-plating.

Holtzman is from Dune - the inventor of the Holtzman field that allowed the folding of space amongst other things.

The_Blackadder wrote:
Interesting answer; I always wondered what actually powered these things but what really piques my concern is: How do the hydraulics work without hoses????

Inquiring minds want to know,

Blackadder

Easy - they use their teleportation technology to teleport the hydraulic fluid in and out!



Makes maintenance and ruggidity to attack better!

Well, though impractical, you could put the release and intake inside the pistons. Also, though bipedal stuff is suggested to be unstable, we successfully stand after a year or so of work. Just wire some people into your remote controller and bam, you've got a feral warhound running loose on the tabletop

tallmantim wrote:

The_Blackadder wrote:
Interesting answer; I always wondered what actually powered these things but what really piques my concern is: How do the hydraulics work without hoses????

Inquiring minds want to know,

Blackadder

Easy - they use their teleportation technology to teleport the hydraulic fluid in and out!

I see; and they teleport the hydraulic pressure as well? Hmmm. (He quiried wryly.)

The problem there is suppose you transport a gallon of hydraulic fluild into a space that only has room for say for the sake of arguement a quart. (or for you backwards individuals that still use the metric system '4 liters into a 1 liter space'.) For an instant there is infinite pressure inside the hydraulic cylinder and the d--ned thing explodes. One might just as easily transport the jot of fluid into the enemy as save the need for guns etc n'est pas.

Blackadder

The_Blackadder wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:I always figured Titans were replete with suspensors. AFter all, isn't the suspensor effect just the secondary effect of Holtzmann generators? They need Plasma reactors to hold themselves up, as well as power their shields, weapons, and so on. It's not that Mars can't build giant robots, but building robots that are actually stable and efficient requires resources that are running out in the Imperium. Grav-plates are required for anti-gravity vehicles such as Land Speeders and starship grav-plating.

Interesting answer; I always wondered what actually powered these things but what really piques my concern is: How do the hydraulics work without hoses????

Inquiring minds want to know,

Blackadder

Come on, it's the 41st century, the alleged hydraulic cylinders are actual servo operated. Instead of fluid under pressure being the force generator, the two half's of the piston act as a rotor and stator, the precision of complex movements can be seen in modern stepper motors for robotics. The energy consumption to operate these draws such a huge current that the bulk of the titan is dedicated to is fusion generators which provide the power needed to operator the 'servos'.

jabbakahut wrote:

The_Blackadder wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:I always figured Titans were replete with suspensors. AFter all, isn't the suspensor effect just the secondary effect of Holtzmann generators? They need Plasma reactors to hold themselves up, as well as power their shields, weapons, and so on. It's not that Mars can't build giant robots, but building robots that are actually stable and efficient requires resources that are running out in the Imperium. Grav-plates are required for anti-gravity vehicles such as Land Speeders and starship grav-plating.

Interesting answer; I always wondered what actually powered these things but what really piques my concern is: How do the hydraulics work without hoses????

Inquiring minds want to know,

Blackadder

Come on, it's the 41st century, the alleged hydraulic cylinders are actual servo operated. Instead of fluid under pressure being the force generator, the two half's of the piston act as a rotor and stator, the precision of complex movements can be seen in modern stepper motors for robotics. The energy consumption to operate these draws such a huge current that the bulk of the titan is dedicated to is fusion generators which provide the power needed to operator the 'servos'.

In that case there would be required equally large electrical cables to run the servos which should be visable unless the electric power is transported as well?

EB

Fantastic work Blackadder!

Sorry I didn't get to send you those photos of the Warhound legs, I was away on holiday for ages! I guess you wont need the reference photos anymore?

As to the hydros and pistons why not model on some cabling? It would be a nice realy world touch. I'm going to add washer hoses and electrical cabling to my T-55 to detail it up. I think little things like that really add to a large kit.

I have come across the problem of where the cables and lines are on a "mecha" model I am building. This model actually has very few visible servos and hydralic cylinders. However, despite what Warhammer 40,000 has taught us, the idea that a sophisticated engine of war would have exposed cables and lines is slightly foolish. People do not expose "worky-stuff" unless they have to.

So, I would argue the lines, cables, hoses etc. are internal, or at least hidden under the armor. For a historical diorama like Gundam-Mecha's we must be informed by actuality, but for a more fantasy piece (such as my "mecha" or this awesome Titan thing) we should decide what is suitable.

My model has a "clean" look which cables etc. would spoil. But I think a 40K Warhound would look good with some more exposed "worky bits".

Not to flog an already dead horse but the cockpit power and telemetry cables are in full view and no doubt a tempting target for those who wish to bring down one of these brutes. Now not being up on what a void shield is capable of shielding against (I'm just into it for the model building not playing the game thats my son's department.) Can a well place projectile penetrate the shield; i.e. can a Warhound be brought down by a bazooka round?

Well you could ask your son, Blackadder

Well, void shields don't work so much in that they mostly deflect something, but rather just open a hole in the materium where the shot is and shoot it into the warp, thereby missing the titan. Basically, a missile at long range can't get a titan with void shields still up, but a close by one can do some damage, but only just barely.

I always imagined that a void shield acted as a zero-point energy converter, except that instead of producing energy, it converted it and stored it in capacitators, which would shut down as they became charged. Hence a Titan could absorb a certain amount of energy because its Void Shield Generators shut down and had to be drained.

Read "The Mote in God's Eye" for a great sci-fi analog to the Void Shield, the Langston Field.