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I'm not real sure how competitions work here on Dakka but I'm just curious as to how my fellow Dakka members would feel about having an art competition for Warhammer. What I'm thinking is that the competition would be similar to how GW does Games Day. There would be 2 catagories 1 for 40k and 1 for Fantasy with subcatogires like heroes, vehicles/monsters, elite units, basic troops etc.

Each catagory would be done at the same time so Heroes would be done at the same time for 40k as Fantasy (though there would be a seperate 40k and Fantasy winner) then once that is done the Elite units part of the competition would kick in and so on and so forth. There would also be other limitations such as anyone who enters can only enter in to one catagory per genre, so a person can only do 1 entry for 40k but they could do one entry for Fantasy as well. And of course there will be scenarios and themes in each subcatagory.

So yay or nay? Would Dakka be enterested in having an art competition?

There is like 20 people out of tens of thousands of us that will beat us every single time in these competitions T-T

LunaHound wrote:There is like 20 people out of tens of thousands of us that will beat us every single time in these competitions T-T

Good for practice and motivation though

I'm not an avid painter but I'll love to see what people come up with if its feasible

kenshin620 wrote:

LunaHound wrote:There is like 20 people out of tens of thousands of us that will beat us every single time in these competitions T-T

Good for practice and motivation though

I'm not an avid painter but I'll love to see what people come up with if its feasible

I agree , i would love to see some wacky creative type of contest instead of straight up painting.

GW would find a way to sue for it.

Fafnir wrote:GW would find a way to sue for it.

Not really

[url=http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/365663.page]*Cough* Dakka's Mini of the Month *Cough*

The link won't work, I don't think it's formated right

Chowderhead wrote:http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/365663.page*Cough* Dakka's Mini of the Month *Cough*

fixt

Ok well it's good that it's fixed but it has nothing to do with having an art competition.

You're talking more traditional art then than miniature painting, eh? Drawing, painting, cg, etc? What if I wanted to submit, say, a sculpture? Or a painted sculpture? Perhaps a very small, say 28mm, painted sculpture?

You'll have to define this a bit more, methinks.

Right now I'm just testing the waters to see what people think about the idea of it and if I start it (or the MODS start it) then the rules will be explained in further detail then. My own opinion though is that any sculpt would have to be intended as actual art not a mini so if there is some kind of sculpt it would probably have to be larger then the heroic scale of GW models.


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And it would have to be something you sculpted yourself. You couldent take a GW model, paint it up and say the paint scheme is your entry. If you wanted to enter painting as your entry it would have to be an actual painting.

yup i'd be interested in a visual arts comp. haven't put pen to paper to draw or paint in a few months.

Great idea. I for one would love o see other peoples art. i might even submit myself. I would stick io just drawings and painting though and leave the sculpture for another contest. I'm sure the rest of Dakka would mind seeing more original art too but alas... I can only speak for myself at this point.

LunaHound wrote:There is like 20 people out of tens of thousands of us that will beat us every single time in these competitions T-T

This makes it different from GD, or GT how?

I'm curious as to why people voted for it's a bad idea and it isn't going to happen. No one has really put any reasons why behind them, one person said that GW would probably find a way to sue which isn't gonna happen because a friendly competition centered around making fan art where no one is going to make a profit (and it's made clear that the subject matter is copy righted by GW) isn't something that GW would sue for.

I'd enter if I found the time, and I'd probably do something better than my typical Dawn of Awesome fare for it.

This would also have to be clearly broken down according to art skill, ortherwise, as mentioned above, the same 10 people will win it every time.

I wouldn't mind seeing something like an idea-wagon or whatever spawn out of this

poda_t wrote:This would also have to be clearly broken down according to art skill, ortherwise, as mentioned above, the same 10 people will win it every time.

You really - can't- do that... fist of all you'd have to figure out someway of actually defining the limits of each "skill" category, but more realistically, folks would "enter down" in order to make the competition easier to win.. to the same result...

People sweeping competitions happens... it's depressing, get used to it, or get better at your art...

p.s. GW once upon a time did have a fan art competition, -once- I placed, and got Doomrider out of it..

I'd be interested in an annual hobby event. Golden Demon Dakka style. Not into the art idea as much, not enough people will be able to get involved IMO.

Actually a Dakka Dakka Golden Demon sounds pretty exciting. We could have Golden Dakka prizes!

Keeping my eyes on this thread! Peace out.

You could however catagorize them into fields of art.

Full Colour picture
Black and white art
Sketch
Sculpt

and so on. That would help screen some level of difficulty as a full colour pic is much more demanding than say a Sketch.

poda_t wrote:This would also have to be clearly broken down according to art skill, ortherwise, as mentioned above, the same 10 people will win it every time.

This is why anyone who puts an entry can only enter one piece per genre not catagory, and as is said you really can't define the boundries of a persons skill. There will always be winners and there will always be losers.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:You could however catagorize them into fields of art.

Full Colour picture
Black and white art
Sketch
Sculpt

and so on. That would help screen some level of difficulty as a full colour pic is much more demanding then say a sketch.

That depends on who you ask, differant people have differant abilities and for one person digital art may be easier to do then a sketch. Or doing a sculpture may be easier then doing digital art for another.

If there are 10 or so people who would win every time then they win every time, if it discourages someone from entering then that's their choice. But you don't get better at something by not testing what you can do against something better, this isn't a pee-wee football competition where everyone gets a medal. I appreciate the sentiment and the idea but it's a competition for a reason.

And even breaking it up into catagories based on the medium used isn't going to stop someone from blowing everyone else out of the water. If the catagories where devided up the way you say and 4 people out of those 10 entered each into 1 catagory they would still blow everyone else away and there would be no point in breaking it up. The only surefire way to keep those people from winning is banning them fron entering which isn't going to happen as it woulden't be close to fair.

I encourage anyone who wants to enter to do so when I get it started regardless of skill level, everyone has the same chance of winning as the winners will be decided by peer voting.

If you guys really aren't up for my Golden Dakka idea then i may try and orchestrate it myself. Thoughts?

It was more about the fairness of judging a sketch against a full colour if I'm honest. I've seen some lovely sketches lately, but you'd never pick one over a full colour pic, actual paint or paintshop pro.

Also Some folks can sketch awesome, but can't paint colour due to time, practice etc. I think it would allow some folks a way to show off their work with out the added pressure of knowing their sketch has zero chance of being voted winner over a full colour picture.

Check out some of the wargaming groups on deviantART - they often do "artwork" contests.

"eyeofterror" does them reasonably regularly.

However, I don't think there are enough people on dakka who are interested in this sort of thing.

LostSoulCasey'sLaw wrote:If you guys really aren't up for my Golden Dakka idea then i may try and orchestrate it myself. Thoughts?

I think this belongs in its own thread

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:It was more about the fairness of judging a sketch against a full colour if I'm honest. I've seen some lovely sketches lately, but you'd never pick one over a full colour pic, actual paint or paintshop pro.

This is a generalization, this makes it out to seem like even if the person doing the sketch has more skill and talent then someone doing an image photoshop the person using photoshop is going to win just because of the medium he used and that isn't the case.

Also Some folks can sketch awesome, but can't paint colour due to time, practice etc.

Which is why the choice of medium is left open to those who enter as differant people have differant strengths, and this still dosen't protect against each of those 10 people entering into each 'medium catagory' and winning against everyone else who enters.

I think it would allow some folks a way to show off their work with out the added pressure of knowing their sketch has zero chance of being voted winner over a full colour picture.

Again this is a generalization, just because something is in color does not mean that it is a better piece of artwork then something that's a black and white sketch. If a man draws a stick figure and colors it in and it's compared to one of Da Vinci's uncolored sketchs the man with the stick figure isn't going to win just because his drawing is colored. The winners will be determined by skill, not by medium.

Hey, you have a go at me for suggesting what you see as a generalization then come back with a stick figure coloured in.

Hehe.

If you have already made up your mind what you want to do, why have a discussion at all?

Also I'm talking about this kind of comparrison.





Both are awesome, but you put that in a list vote on Dakka, and the coloured one will walk all over the sketch.


I personally see no issue with multiple catagories, it doesn't take that much longer to set up and then list up for judging. On a side note I'm not an artist, and wouldn't be entering, but have a keen interest in good art, and just feel some folks will be hamstrung just because of their chosen medium.

I personally would try to remedy it.

Odins Beard wrote:

LostSoulCasey'sLaw wrote:If you guys really aren't up for my Golden Dakka idea then i may try and orchestrate it myself. Thoughts?

I think this belongs in its own thread

Righteo mate, good luck with the art contest! If you need anything i'd be happy to help just drop me a pm. I'm off to try and organise The Golden Dakka! Haha!

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:It was more about the fairness of judging a sketch against a full colour if I'm honest. I've seen some lovely sketches lately, but you'd never pick one over a full colour pic, actual paint or paintshop pro.

Yes I would... because some "sketches" are wonderfully done and shaded, and some "full color pics" well, um... suck...

Once again, a poor comparrison, look at mine above.