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So, I've been painting solidly for about 2 weeks, half way through started to run out of metallics so I went and bought a bunch of new pots.
I've slowly started to find the new designs with the rounded top and see through lid, to be infuriating. there's no lip to stop the paint going all over the rim getting all over my thumb when i open the pot, AND they also seem to fart paint out of the back when i close them, anyone else found this?

I hate the new pots. So much that I will be switching to a different paint company. Which will also be cheaper which is always a plus.

Eh, I don't have a huge problem with them, and I don't necessarily use a palette.

I hate that they don't stay open. That's really bothersome. What's confusing is that the washes and foundations have the same pot design and they have the tabs that let them stay open, so there's definitely precedent for them to stay open. Those tabs are just left off for some reason.

It's a money grab. GW paint pots are always designed for maximum waste (except for their pots for the early 90's). Switch brands. Tell your friend's to switch brands. Track down some Reaper or Vallejo paints and never look back.

Hate 'em, switching companies.

Haven't bought GW paint in years. When I did the bottles were twice as big and cost half as much. For anybody in the US market do yourselves a favor and switch to Reaper/Tamiya/Vallejo

havent had a problem with them, guess i'm in a minority there

I haven't really had a problem either, besides them not staying open. Though, I've heard such good things about other brands, if I need any other colors soon I'm going with something else.

They are a right pain in the bottom - don't stack, are harder to paint the colour on the top to help identify the colour you want, don't stay open, seem to spray paint everywhere, and are extremely annoying.

AesSedai wrote:It's a money grab. GW paint pots are always designed for maximum waste (except for their pots for the early 90's). Switch brands. Tell your friend's to switch brands. Track down some Reaper or Vallejo paints and never look back.

Plus, the GW Paints cost more than say, Vallejo or Reaper. AND there's less paint per bottle. So GW = less paint for more money.

Try Vallejos Game Color or Model Color Range - the Game Color has all the colors you know from GW, with slightly different names. Only difference is, that because of the dropper bottles you'll have to use a palette of some sorts. Which is a good thing as most people recommend not to paint directly from the pot.

Cheers,


IK-Painter

AesSedai wrote:It's a money grab. GW paint pots are always designed for maximum waste (except for their pots for the early 90's). Switch brands. Tell your friend's to switch brands. Track down some Reaper or Vallejo paints and never look back.

Do you really think a bunch of designers sat around a table and said:

"Right, we have a master plan - we're gonna change the pot shape on our range of paints so that they waste 2% more paint than they used to. That means that all of our customers will have to buy more paint - which will make us MILLLLLLIONSSSSSSS!"

Even if you're struggling to keep the paint in the pot (which I find crazy by the way, I don't think I've ever lost a drop) the rate at which you loose paint is so minimal that over the course of your entire life you might buy and extra two pots? Not exactly a fast return for the GW designers - because we can safely assume that IT WASN'T FREE to re-design them.

SilverMK2 wrote:They are a right pain in the bottom - don't stack, are harder to paint the colour on the top to help identify the colour you want, don't stay open, seem to spray paint everywhere, and are extremely annoying.

Wait, what?

You used to WASTE PAINT by painting it on the top of the pot, to identify the colour?

The new pots have a little window, so you don't have to WASTE PAINT, because you can see the paint inside.


Personally, I prefer the new pots because:

A) They don't stay open - meaning that If I forget about a pot and I leave the room for a couple of days, the entire pot hasn't dried up. Also, when I knock over a pot I have a couple of seconds of 'oh crap grab it' time.

B) I don't get the massive ring of dried paint around the lid - like the old pots created.

C) I can see the paint when I look down on it (and don't have to store the paints all upside down).

D) They fit in a GW model case without stretching the foam.

E) The seal is tighter, so the paint doesn't spoil as quickly.

F) They have different coloured lids, so I can find foundations and washes quickly.

But anyway. Rant over.

SilverMK2 wrote:They are a right pain in the bottom - don't stack, are harder to paint the colour on the top to help identify the colour you want, don't stay open, seem to spray paint everywhere, and are extremely annoying.

The octagonal pots make finding the one I want difficult, but a dab of paint on the lid atleast solves that
I don't like leaving pots open so lids closing is not a problem, but I assume they don't close fully?

Am going over to Vallejo as colours run out so will never have to worry about these new pots.

I like the new pots, they are much better than the old black flip-tops, which in turn were better than the 'bolter shell' style screw-tops (much more problems with those).

I don't tend to stack my paints up, so the lack of stackability doesn't bother me too much.

I switched to Vallejo a little while back and love it. Better paint. Comes in dropper bottles, much more efficient, easier to mix, the paint is better imo, waters down better, mixes better etc. etc. etc.

Get out of GW paint.

Agreed the new design is terrible I kept all the old ones I could and top them up when I buy new GW paint. I use loads of different paint manufacturers Foundry do some great colours but they charge a lot for them it makes GW pricing look restrained LOL

From several lines above:

Hello I'm AG and I'm here to defend GWs good name

The newest rendition of GW pots is worse than the previous one, which was better than the one before that but worse that the one before THAT.
Confused, I hope so.
P3 and Coat d'Arms still use the same pots GW started out with. They have thier own draw backs. The lid breaks off which can be a pain, they are quite deep which at the end of the pot is a pain. But how many of us still have paint pots with good paint from the early 90s? So at least they were effective. I think the point most people make is that GW pots have evolved to become smaller, less user friendly, and through either design or ineptitude(in design) waste more paint. The truth is that if GW wasnt so stubborn they would go to a commercially available 1/2oz droppers. We could complain about them and GW could say it's just an industry standard. Everybody wins.

I have to say, I love the new pots. The fact that they're a dropper allows me to control the amount I put on my pallet, and the tall thin nature means they tend to take up less space--

Oh wait, hoho, that's because I've switched to Vallejo paints, hoho. Silly old me!

The new pots were part instrumental in this decision, I don't like them at all.

The round pots I prefer to the old hexagon pots. I hated that ring of paint that accumulated over time.

I keep saying that Im goin to swap to Vallejo paints but the sad truth is I probly wont. Its alot more convenient for me to go into my local GW since I pass it 4/7 days a week.

Maybe once I actually order models online ill buy some. However I will keep buyin the foundations and metals from gw, they seem to be pretty gd.

It's a paint pot. If it's worth complaining about, I'm leading one hell of a charmed life.

That being said, I recently started using a bit of Reaper paints, Midnight Blue, as a basecoat for my Night Lords.

I too am switching over to vallejo as I run out of paints. I got a couple pots of the new GW paints, and man those pots just make me angry to no end.

AG. wrote:

AesSedai wrote:It's a money grab. GW paint pots are always designed for maximum waste (except for their pots for the early 90's). Switch brands. Tell your friend's to switch brands. Track down some Reaper or Vallejo paints and never look back.

Do you really think a bunch of designers sat around a table and said:

"Right, we have a master plan - we're gonna change the pot shape on our range of paints so that they waste 2% more paint than they used to. That means that all of our customers will have to buy more paint - which will make us MILLLLLLIONSSSSSSS!"

Even if you're struggling to keep the paint in the pot (which I find crazy by the way, I don't think I've ever lost a drop) the rate at which you loose paint is so minimal that over the course of your entire life you might buy and extra two pots? Not exactly a fast return for the GW designers - because we can safely assume that IT WASN'T FREE to re-design them.

SilverMK2 wrote:They are a right pain in the bottom - don't stack, are harder to paint the colour on the top to help identify the colour you want, don't stay open, seem to spray paint everywhere, and are extremely annoying.

Wait, what?

You used to WASTE PAINT by painting it on the top of the pot, to identify the colour?

The new pots have a little window, so you don't have to WASTE PAINT, because you can see the paint inside.


Personally, I prefer the new pots because:

A) They don't stay open - meaning that If I forget about a pot and I leave the room for a couple of days, the entire pot hasn't dried up. Also, when I knock over a pot I have a couple of seconds of 'oh crap grab it' time.

B) I don't get the massive ring of dried paint around the lid - like the old pots created.

C) I can see the paint when I look down on it (and don't have to store the paints all upside down).

D) They fit in a GW model case without stretching the foam.

E) The seal is tighter, so the paint doesn't spoil as quickly.

F) They have different coloured lids, so I can find foundations and washes quickly.

But anyway. Rant over.

I really don't think the design team or any of the people who actually do work in the company are money grabbing lizards. I've met quite a few of them and they're all in it for the love.

But, the shareholders on the other hand, since they sold out to universal for the rights to LOTR are a different kettle of fish.

as for the problems i've had with the pots, largely its probably to do with me being a clumsy left handed fool, but, there is an obvious fault in the way they fart paint out of the back if you tilt them at any angle besides 90 degrees vertical. and it drives me truly crazy. blazing orange all over my hand when all i wanted was a minute speck on the brush. I've actually not even bothered to open boltgun metal all night because there was ample paint on the back joint.

I'm actually amazed at the response this thread got i thought i was probably alone on this one.

I've actually never tried another companies paint, because i've never seen any on sale. Then again i don't even go into GW anymore since our local Firestorm games offers a 10% discount across their entire product range... Guess i'll try a new range of paint if I can ever afford it.

AG. wrote:Wait, what?

You used to WASTE PAINT by painting it on the top of the pot, to identify the colour?

The new pots have a little window, so you don't have to WASTE PAINT, because you can see the paint inside.

Try searching through many tens of paint pots stored in a sliding draw (ie you can only see the top of the lid) and tell me that you wouldn't put a dab of the colour on the lid - especially if you mix your own colours like I do .

The new clear ones are better for seeing what colour is in them, but as I am sure you are aware if you have used many of the citadel paints - especially the foundation range, they separate out over time meaning that the colour you see through the "window" isn't the colour of the paint. Not to mention the colour of dry paint is slightly different than when wet

SilverMK2 wrote:

AG. wrote:Wait, what?

You used to WASTE PAINT by painting it on the top of the pot, to identify the colour?

The new pots have a little window, so you don't have to WASTE PAINT, because you can see the paint inside.

Try searching through many tens of paint pots stored in a sliding draw (ie you can only see the top of the lid) and tell me that you wouldn't put a dab of the colour on the lid - especially if you mix your own colours like I do .

The new clear ones are better for seeing what colour is in them, but as I am sure you are aware if you have used many of the citadel paints - especially the foundation range, they separate out over time meaning that the colour you see through the "window" isn't the colour of the paint. Not to mention the colour of dry paint is slightly different than when wet

All the foundation paints I have, which are the new style pots, have opaque lids that you cannot see through...

nectarprime wrote:All the foundation paints I have, which are the new stile pots, have opaque lids that you cannot see through...

I would have to go and have a look as I have so many paints from so many eras of paint pot design that I can't keep track

However, they are still the same physical design as the entirely clear pots.

SilverMK2 wrote:

nectarprime wrote:All the foundation paints I have, which are the new stile pots, have opaque lids that you cannot see through...

I would have to go and have a look as I have so many paints from so many eras of paint pot design that I can't keep track

However, they are still the same physical design as the entirely clear pots.

Yup that is true, except they have the little tab thingy that helps them stay open, and the normal colors do not for some reason.

Also, how the hell did I misspell "style" like that...

First World problems

AG. wrote:

AesSedai wrote:It's a money grab. GW paint pots are always designed for maximum waste (except for their pots for the early 90's). Switch brands. Tell your friend's to switch brands. Track down some Reaper or Vallejo paints and never look back.

Do you really think a bunch of designers sat around a table and said:

"Right, we have a master plan - we're gonna change the pot shape on our range of paints so that they waste 2% more paint than they used to. That means that all of our customers will have to buy more paint - which will make us MILLLLLLIONSSSSSSS!"

Even if you're struggling to keep the paint in the pot (which I find crazy by the way, I don't think I've ever lost a drop) the rate at which you loose paint is so minimal that over the course of your entire life you might buy and extra two pots? Not exactly a fast return for the GW designers - because we can safely assume that IT WASN'T FREE to re-design them.

SilverMK2 wrote:They are a right pain in the bottom - don't stack, are harder to paint the colour on the top to help identify the colour you want, don't stay open, seem to spray paint everywhere, and are extremely annoying.

Wait, what?

You used to WASTE PAINT by painting it on the top of the pot, to identify the colour?

The new pots have a little window, so you don't have to WASTE PAINT, because you can see the paint inside.


Personally, I prefer the new pots because:

A) They don't stay open - meaning that If I forget about a pot and I leave the room for a couple of days, the entire pot hasn't dried up. Also, when I knock over a pot I have a couple of seconds of 'oh crap grab it' time.

B) I don't get the massive ring of dried paint around the lid - like the old pots created.

C) I can see the paint when I look down on it (and don't have to store the paints all upside down).

D) They fit in a GW model case without stretching the foam.

E) The seal is tighter, so the paint doesn't spoil as quickly.

F) They have different coloured lids, so I can find foundations and washes quickly.

But anyway. Rant over.

You forgot:

G) Have the fast drying formula thought up for the 1998 rerelease of the citadel colour range. This means that the paint dries faster on the model. And in our GW brand palettes, meaning people have to use more than before. And in the pot, meaning more overall waste. And "more concentrated" so you really get more paint for your money because you have to add water to thin the paint just like with the previous really nice range. Oh and with these nifty screw lids paint wouldn't stay liquid for more than a few days.

Edit:
Sorry I am not being fair here. I should add that despite the GW reputation with paints I was talked into trying the foundation and wash ranges and they're actually pretty good. And the citadel colour range which was replaced in 1998 was awesome, I still have many, many bottles of that still perfectly usable. I think coat d'arms still make those colours for sale with the same formula.
I use some vallejo stuff but havent managed to afford to get a lot of their stuff, anyone able to comment on the high opacity paints from them compared to the GW foundation paints?

Yeah, GW paints are over priced and do not keep your paints in a usable state, I bought $45 worth of paints and most of them are half dried, and it's only been about 3 weeks, I'm switching to Vallejo and will never ever buy another pot of GW paint ever again.

Both my FLGS sells the full range of Vallejo colors so I can get my hands of them pretty easily, otherwise I'd still be using GW. And I am being a little harsh, I've never had problems with their washes, and will continue to buy them, same with foundations.

I dunno what all the mess about painting the top of the bottles or having clear tops is about, but maybe I'm a little OCD with my paint box. Every color is in it's place and I can grab pots without looking and know what I've pulled.

Recently I've begun transferring my GW paints into dropper bottles I bought in bulk on ebay. I'm able to dilute and add flow aid/drying retardant when they get switched over so I don't need to mess with them after they get on the palette. Also, screw tops keep them sealed much better and have significantly less mess.

The only problem I have with the 25mL bottles I bought is a paint pot barely fills them halfway.