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MadCowCrazy wrote:Pfft, I wouldn't take Blood of[Mod Edit - Please don't do that...thanks!] serious for anything. All they do is copy other peoples rumours and claim them as their own, at least that is what they have done so far.
Oh really...
Please take a look at the backlog of my rumors concerning Grey Knights and Dark Eldar and then take the dates they were posted and then go find me the other sites I stole those rumors from (I am not talking about clarifications of rumors). I would gladly give credit when it is due, but I searched the usual sites before I go posting something to make sure I am not talking over someone. Hardly copying a pasting.
If you noticed me or Badtaste were simply commenting on the rumors from what I know about the codex. I have to admit that Yakface beat me to the punch on the rumors he posted and badtaste edited the post to reflect that he was on spot on. Notice him or me didn't take credit for those rumors and gave credit to Yakface for leaking them. As always we will have to wait till the book goes live before we know the truth, but I will stand by current record anyday.
Just means I cannot hold on to them as long as I would normally like to protect my sources.
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MadCowCrazy wrote:Pfft, I wouldn't take Blood of[Mod Edit - Please don't do that...thanks!] serious for anything. All they do is copy other peoples rumours and claim them as their own, at least that is what they have done so far.
Lol people always hating on BoK wtf. Their sites hella entertaining with their uncensored rants and even if he did copy anything from this forum so what? Someones always copying someone, but this is not the case in this topic. He gathered cited users and compiled his own rumors through the most accurate rumors. If you read into the predictions, BoK is about 50-80% accurate on their rumors.
Also, I found this while looking for a beta dex. It was fanmade in 09.
MadCowCrazy wrotefft, I wouldn't take Blood of[Mod Edit - Please don't do that...thanks!] serious for anything. All they do is copy other peoples rumours and claim them as their own, at least that is what they have done so far.
Since I am older than dirt, I tend to see the various nicks/players/companies/etc. in my travels.
I know of this site.
People and by their actions will make a site popular or not, and that is all that needs to be said about that site or any other.
I will say this again. In general, the Dakka Dakka site, the forums, (including this rumor thread), how people are reasonable with their comments, the Mods and how keep things from going into anarchy, are execeptional.
Which is why it is one of the Premiere sites to go to for your Hobby needs.
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I found it slowed that the poster somehow believes me and Kroothawk are the sources behind allot of the rumours, we both clearly collect rumours other people have posted into a single thread. color]
Well, even that carries with it a certain weight of responsibility. You need to realize that even if you do preface your posts with, I GOT THIS FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, people may not read it, may glaze over it or simply ignore it. If you put your name on a post, even if it's a quote or a collaboration, your name is on the post.
For instance, he may not have come here at all. If you'll notice the BoLS article here simply posts Kroothawk, MadCowCrazy and Tabitha as the posters of the rumors. It doesn't do anything to say that you may have gotten your info elsewhere.
In fact, it looks like the BoK author took all his information from that article, since the three authors he mentions are the ones that have rumors up there.
I'm not defending BoK in the least. I think BadTaste's attitude is crap and his article was even more useless than discussing rumors that aren't true. But, if you are going to report rumors, even if they are secondhand, remember that you're putting your name on them.
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Moving back on the actual rumors and away from attribution arguments, I take some personal satisfaction about the rumor of Crypteks/bodyguards that you can disperse into units a la Wolf Guard, seeing as I've been (probably annoyingly) touting that for Necrons on internet forums for a few years now. Heck, I even lobbied Jervis via snail mail.
Of course, I was specifically promoting that as a solution for Pariahs, but who's counting? LOL. Besides, maybe Pariahs will make the final codex in there with the Crypteks, perhaps under a different name? Based on DE and GK, it's not impossible that Necrons would receive a retinue with diversified model types.
If Pariahs are gone in every way, shape or form, GW will have surprised me. They usually try harder than people think to keep old models valid (even if certain builds are nuked or take huge pendulum swings in effectiveness). They're even a fairly central point of the current Necron fluff. Which obviously is highly mutable, but still.
So one speculation I am having is that destroyers may go the way of the Grotesques and become something else. If they truly are going to be jump infantry then it seems odd given their current miniature. However, tomb blades could be skimmers and use the current destroyer model. Since destroyers are rumored to get a new plastic kit (although its supposed to be only slightly different?) this "could" make sense. Thoughts?
Azure wrote:The Pariahs? Gone? D: That makes me very sad to hear!!! The other stuff sounds pretty nifty though
Does this mean that the warscythe will be gone
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Azure wrote:The Pariahs? Gone? D: That makes me very sad to hear!!! The other stuff sounds pretty nifty though
Does this mean that the warscythe will be gone
No, I am pretty sure it is still there in one form or another, or at least, I haven't read anything saying its gone. Also Fall of Damnos (which probably has some bearing on the new codex) has some weapons in it which seem like they are warscythes.
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Azure wrote:The Pariahs? Gone? D: That makes me very sad to hear!!! The other stuff sounds pretty nifty though
Does this mean that the warscythe will be gone
No, I am pretty sure it is still there in one form or another, or at least, I haven't read anything saying its gone. Also Fall of Damnos (which probably has some bearing on the new coded) has some weapons in it which seem like they are warscythes.
i hope it is their to stay because it comes in very handy on a destroyer lord
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Its strange when people pretend to know like a crap ton of stuff, but wont put it out because they want to be mysterious. Or maybe its because they don’t have anything new?
Is some of my info wrong? Yea, probably. Is some of it going to change? Sure. I think the first couple lines of my original post mentioned that.
I think most of us “rumor” posters are not play testers or GW employee’s or super spies. We are just friends with people who are testers or work over there, and occasionally when talking to said friends we get some nice info or maybe get to see a few pictures / screens of something cool that’s coming out. And then an hour / day / 3 months later we might write all that stuff down and be like “Here internet, have this.”
We forget things. We mis-interpret things. We might get told something, and then that something doesn’t happen or changes. Hell maybe we just remember something wrong.
But we do put out information which is accurate as far as we know. Maybe only 50-70% of it is “right” or will make it into the codex. Maybe less in the case of some posters. But I am sure, judging by the number of people who respond to and read these posts, that there are people who would rather have rumors which are only half correct than not have anything but speculation until the incoming e-mail.
Anyway, the new Eldar Jetbikes look awesome. They will be in the first wave Eldar release when those guys come out. You heard it here first, look for it on BoK or BoLS in 9 months.
Sorry this got a little off the topic of the Necron rumors.
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Azure wrote:The Pariahs? Gone? D: That makes me very sad to hear!!! The other stuff sounds pretty nifty though
Does this mean that the warscythe will be gone
No, I am pretty sure it is still there in one form or another, or at least, I haven't read anything saying its gone. Also Fall of Damnos (which probably has some bearing on the new codex) has some weapons in it which seem like they are warscythes.
If these rumours are true, I wouldn't pay too much attention to Fall of Damnos, as brilliant a book as it was. Crypteks being a bodyguard makes absolutely no sense in the context of the book, neither do transport vehicles, or Immortals as troop really, and other things but posting this is making me late for school
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For the record: C'tan as elites is not that bizare. Take berzerker dreadnought for instance, that thing is absolutely nuts. Then take into account C'tan dont ever technically really die.... and then they may very well be leaders of the necrons, but they dont really fit into the command structure.. so... gotta fit them in somewhere without giving someone freebie unit choices outside the FOC, especially if they are going to remain as cracked up as they are.
I think its just best to wait though, we might be in for a fluffvolution.
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Azure wrote:The Pariahs? Gone? D: That makes me very sad to hear!!! The other stuff sounds pretty nifty though
Does this mean that the warscythe will be gone
No, I am pretty sure it is still there in one form or another, or at least, I haven't read anything saying its gone. Also Fall of Damnos (which probably has some bearing on the new codex) has some weapons in it which seem like they are warscythes.
If these rumours are true, I wouldn't pay too much attention to Fall of Damnos, as brilliant a book as it was. Crypteks being a bodyguard makes absolutely no sense in the context of the book, neither do transport vehicles, or Immortals as troop really, and other things but posting this is making me late for school
Really I thought it worked pretty well.
Spoiler:
1) The necron lords had a lot of (comparatively) personality, and the Eqyptions in space theme was pretty strong
2)The cryptek was at the lords beck and call. Especially the Royarch. So I can see them being, not bodyguards, but like squad leaders. Also they are not noble, they are just elevated servants. Although I do admit I think it would make more sense if they were like squad leaders, which IIRC is against these rumors.
3) The Undying had a warhost that consisted of almost exclusively Immortals and his elite bodyguards (which I think were also Immortals) armed with 'glaives' I think.
4) There was a Flayer lord
5) There were many new and terrible weapons that were yet to be unleashed on the Space Marines.
6) There were 2 possible new vehicles mentioned, something called a sky chariot which was the Undying's thing and some sort of artillery piece that was in addition to the Pylons.
Now I will say there were no transports, just the phase teleporter thing. But I do not think it was too far off to be considered completely useless.
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Overall i am liking what i have read so far. I am a little worried about the rumours of 6 new vehicles......i think that might be a stretch.
Also the new unit "Tomb Blades" as a jetbike. Has anyone else got visions of Necron Reaver Jetbikes?
If Necrons are "Tomb Kings in space" i wonder if we can get any hints from their new models? A Necron version of the warsphinx could be funky.
My worry is that if Immortals are going to be troops, what will happen to the lowly warrior? Up until now it has been the core of any necron army so the maority of players will have a large number of them. It would be very annoying if they are rendered worthless all of a sudden.
Ratius wrote:I was really hoping they would shelve the Ctan on the tabletop altogether.
Oh well.
I was hoping they'd be taken out of the Codex and put into Apocalypse, seeing as they are supposed to be gods and all that. Besides, a massive Forge world model of the Nightbringer would have been awesome.
Tabitha wrote:Its strange when people pretend to know like a crap ton of stuff, but wont put it out because they want to be mysterious.
Or because they're under NDA.
True but in this case Tabitha is refering to the BoK post where the poster states he could simply write out everything he could remember but a friend said it would be more fun to tease and frustrate people. Not to mention the irony that he decries people regurgitating existing rumours and adding nothing then goes on to do exactly that simply pointing out what rumours according to him are wrong while he may correct them a little he provides nothing new.
Tabitha wrote:Its strange when people pretend to know like a crap ton of stuff, but wont put it out because they want to be mysterious.
Or because they're under NDA.
True but in this case Tabitha is refering to the BoK post where the poster states he could simply write out everything he could remember but a friend said it would be more fun to tease and frustrate people. Not to mention the irony that he decries people regurgitating existing rumours and adding nothing then goes on to do exactly that simply pointing out what rumours according to him are wrong while he may correct them a little he provides nothing new.
This completely I think, I have never used their website before so I can't comment there but the post they made was stupid based upon all these points mentioned. If you have a NDA fair enough but the only reason that post was made was to tease and frustrate people and at least for me it failed because I only got annoyed at the attitude that came across in the post.
I liked the VVVBRRRRRAAAAAAAMMMM part. That made me chuckle. Like every new codex, things will sound weird and people will rant on about how dumb it is. But once the dex actually drops (specially these last batches of codices) people are super pumped about how it turned out. Remember the leaked fuzzy dreadknight pic? EVERYONE bashed how stupid it looked, and talked how its ruining the grey knights and blah blah blah. But how many people use the dreadknight now?
13) Necron Warriors have the same basic statline they had before except they now have a 4+ save. Now before you go crazy, also note that their points cost is 12 points, which is a 1/3 price drop (down from 18 points). That means you get 1/3 more Warrior models in the army for the same amount of points...it also makes losing an entire unit due to sweeping advance, not nearly as painful.
I know a lot of cynical people will hate this and accuse GW from simply making the change to sell more Warrior models, and you could be right. But personally I was always hoping they were going to make Necron Warriors not quite as tough and dump the points cost on them, so you could really take a ton of them...given in my mind they are supposed to be more like a shambling horde of undead robots than some sort of small elite force of super-warriors (but that could just be me).
So this change alone totally changes the army from out of the 'MEQ' umbrella and makes their base statline unique in the game (which is good, IMHO).
14) Immortals have lost their T5 (down to T4), but keep their 3+ save. However, their points cost has dropped to 17 pts a model, which is an 11 point drop (more than 1/3 a drop from the previous cost of 28 pts)!
15) All units in the army benefit from the new WBB rule, not just the units that were formerly classified as 'Necrons' in the current codex (even Scarabs!). So although you're only getting a 5+ save in many cases, you're still getting it on some of the more expensive stuff in the army as well (and there are some pricey new units to counterbalance the relatively cheap Warriors and Immortals). Also the vehicle that can add models back into the unit is also able to use this ability on any unit.
15) Rez Orb is still in the game and boosts the new WBB rule to a 4+ instead of a 5+, but only affects the unit it is in. I have a strong suspicion that this is an upgrade that Crypteks can take (I'll confirm if I find out), so I'd imagine you can get quite a few units in the game getting the 4+ bonus save if you want to pay the points to take them for your Crypteks and then split those Crypteks off to lead units.
16) Veil of Darkness is now definitely something Crypteks can take (so you can have a bunch of 'em in the army), but it no longer allows a unit to be pulled out of combat (and neither does the Monolith), except in the case of the Veil carried by one of the named Lords.
17) In the new fluff it sounds like the C'Tan were mainly killed off by the Necrons (or something like that), so the C'Tan that you field in the game are just remaining shards of their power. They're naturally still a really mean Monstrous Creature who rocks in combat, but you can also purchase a bunch of different abilities. These abilities are in line with a lot of the things we've seen in the last few codexes, things like: messing around with Deep Striking enemy units, making enemies moving through terrain differently, and allowing the Necron player to change some of his deployment, etc. So it sounds like you have a lot of different options with the C'Tan that really mess with the enemy army and/or supplement your own. And they are not one per army (so you can have 3 if you want to use up all your Elites on them, although it sounds like the other Elites choices are pretty awesome as well).
18) Some of those six new vehicles include flyers (not sure how many), which can move at cruising speed and fire all their weapons.
19) Besides a few units that are Fearless (Wraiths, Tomb Spyders and Scarabs), the army doesn't have any sort of blanket immunity to morale. They are still Ld10, but obviously we know that still leaves them very vulnerable to being run down in combat, and it looks like that will remain a big Achilles heel.
20) Scarabs sound great. They are cheap, have the new WBB rule, move like beasts and have an ability that erodes enemy armor when they get into combat with it. Any non-vehicle model they wound, but don't kill, has its armor save turned to a dash (i.e. nothing) for the rest of the game. If they hit a vehicle, on a 4+ the vehicle loses a point of armor value on ALL facings, and if any facing is reduced to zero, then the vehicle is destroyed (I'm not sure if this ability kicks in for each hit they get on the vehicle, or just once no matter how many hits they cause). There are some items in the army that also have a similar ability to erode armor, including one of the C'Tan powers.
So it sounds like Scarabs may play a major role in most Necron armies!
21) Overall, CC is definitely still the weak point of the army, but it looks like they've got a lot of different places they can take special rules to slow down or screw with approaching enemy, including some of the C'Tan powers, but also some of the different gear they can take. But they also have some different potential counter-assault units, which mainly come out of the Elites section (besides the new Walker, the C'Tan and the flayed ones in Elites there are 3 OTHER brand new units in there as well, for a grand total of 6 Elites choices). The Flayed ones are, being consistent, cheaper than they were and now have 3 Attacks base (but their save is now 4+ as with standard Warriors). One of the other new Elite units is also CC oriented, but is very pricey points wise (but is S5/T5/3+save). This unit can wield a Warscythe, but they are not called Pariahs (no idea if that's what Pariahs have 'turned into' or not).
Another new Elites choice is a sniper style unit that can Deep Strike into play normally or it can choose to immediately Deep Strike immediately after the opponent brings an enemy unit on from Reserves, and they have some nasty additional damage ability against one nominated unit...obviously we need more info to know how useful this will really be, but the concept of countering an opponent's Reserve deployment immediately sounds interesting at least.
The last new Elites choice is an Elite Jump Infantry unit with very close range shooting and some decent CC ability (and are also S5/T5/3+save).
22) Fast Attack has 4 choices...Wraiths, Tomb Blades (jetbikes), Scarabs & Destroyers.
All that sounds awsome but im really disapointed we are not the "undead" machines we used to be.. t4-5 3+ save and a double 4+ wbb which was usually not denied coz of the orb. If they nerf survivability in an alreayd nerfed race they gonna have to boost everything else a lot, at least i hope so.
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fft, I wouldn't take Blood of[Mod Edit - Please don't do that...thanks!] serious for anything. All they do is copy other peoples rumours and claim them as their own, at least that is what they have done so far.
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