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Glad to see the MW get some time Git, they really are a great army.

Lennysmash wrote:Slightly OT but whats the deal with all the RT era marine camo by the way. I know from git's thread that it occurs in the Badab wars, but is there any RT reference to it outside of the conflict?

SMs in Camo was a RT-era thing, before GW really figured out what they wanted SMs to be: Space Knights.

Once that was settled by GW's dev team with the "colors of cowardice" bit, you really don't see GW paint SMs in camo anymore.

For a Veteran squad in pre-Heresy / Heresy-era armor (mk.4, mk.5, mk.6), camo is an option to be different from the white hats that are generally used.

When you talk about a full-camo army, that really is more of a Guard / Tau thing.

Anyhow, hope this helps

Thanks John, and in keeping what John said... I'm using the camo as a way of defining my Sternguard & associated units... not necessarily as a way of hiding them. Though I do admit to putting my sternguard/Tranquility Sniers in the tall grass by way of giving them some historical context.


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O.K. I have been reminded that both Thing 1 and I owe painted marines to certain, "interested parties"... who are chomping at the bit for their minis.

So... the Mantis Warrior project will be put on hold again until such time as I can clear this obligation. I'll still work on getting Arakasi's nob together though so I don't fall behind on that one too. I've heard a rumor that Forge World is coming out with Badab War figures (from Whalemusic I think). Maybe there will be MWs in that batch... that way you guys can all buy and paint your own MW armies and show me how it's done!

Can't compete with the original and best!

No hurry on my Nob - race you to last? Actually, I spent too much time on it last night. Where there was one, there is now two (because I'm keeping one!) - and considerably less blu tack. I'll get a pic up today or tomorrow...

Brother, I know I have said it before but don't feel pressure to finish our swap as I am knee deep in lasgun-wielding Skaven right now so I am in no rush

I greatly appreciate you both giving me some grace, but I have some GOOD news for a change.

I burned the midnight (well, actually 1:30) oil last night and there is now one more Mortifactor in the universe to protect the Imperium! (it's the sternguard fig I owed Porkuslime) So... the path is clear to return to my Mantis Warrior venerable dread and move on to the next swap project for Arakasi. So guys... I'm grateful to you both for cutting me slack... but I'm OK now, and definitely motivated after being side tracked for so long.

The Mortifactor project was quite fun for several reasons... First: it was just a normal marine... I don't build normal marines (at least not lately), so it was a huge relief to be able to just bang out a decent paint job in an evening. Second: I got to work with colors that I don't usually paint (on a large scale... black and bone) and got to try out several new techniques that I've picked up from watching Ifalna and vent's work. I don't do them anywhere near as well as they do of course, but it was fun to experiment with them and was encouraging enough that I'll continue to try to improve my skills. Third: it was a Mortifactor.... who the heck plays Mortifactors? No one (or nearly so). It was fun to give "life" to a chapter nearly as obscure as my own... guess I'm a sucker for the underdog. All I have to do are the eyes, then I'll post a pic of the completed figure (probably this evening).

To go along with the dreadnought, I'm looking again at filling out the Tranquility Sniper squad (sternguard) & thought I'd put in some special weapons next. I have two configurations in mind. One is the "stand off and shoot" version where I place the sternguard around the rifleman dread to act as a fire base & assault shield. For this role I have two original beakie rocket launchers soaking in Simple Green, which should be more than ready any time I want to pull them out. The other configuration/battle tactic is to drop pod the sternguard in along with the dread for close-in disruptive action. In this case one of the dread's autocannons will be swapped for a CCW. For the sternguard in this role I have two terminator heavy flamers (which will take a bit of modification, but should work just fine). Since the heavy flamers are assault weapons, they can fire from the git-go and won't impeded assaults by the unit.

I'll probably paint these in pairs, so I can max out the selections for the squad once the figs are painted. I'm kind of preparing to give Whalemusic his sternguard back (as soon as T1 finishes painting his Doom Eagle... which should be this weekend) & will need to fill the squad at least back up to playing strength. I suppose I should do a sergeant too, since that's where the h-t-h capability of the squad will pretty much lie. Right now I'm just using the base painted & washed Pedro Kantor figure as he's got a power fist & is the right basic color, but eventually I'll need to build something from scratch that is appropriate (and I'll need Pedro as, well... Pedro).

More later... hope to make quick progress on the dread... but only time will tell. - Gits



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Update:

Mortifactor is finished. I promised Porkuslime that I wouldn't post it until he had a chance to base it, but it is in my "Great Marine Swap" folder in my gallery if you're interested.

On to the dreadnought!!

:-)

Great news!

Do you have any pics?`

What would you like pic's of? The Mortifactor is in my gallery under "Marine Swap Projects". The dread doesn't look that much different than the last pic of it several pages ago, but perhaps by the end of the night I'll have something to put up.

Ok, cool. I checked out the mortifactor. I like it!

Progress on the dread... got most of the metal areas backed in black and given a thick wash of the appropriate metallic. Lot of work but not really worthy of a picture. Blending the yellow is the next step, when I get done with that I'll post a pic.


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For any of you who have expressed interest in a marine swap with me but have not yet started your project... I think I figured out what I'm going to need.

The story of my chapter (detailed in the first few pages) is that they were sent on a 100 yr crusade into the maelstrom to hunt down the Red Corsairs after rebelling in the Badab War & having their home world taken away. Nearly 100 years of constant skirmishing with the Corsairs with no supplies other than what they could scavenge, and more importantly no recruits... saw their surviving marines matriculating into those units that tended to take the heaviest casualties (i.e. assault units and first company). As a result, the chapter essentially "hollowed out", leaving very few regular tactical squads left (in fact the whole chapter has been greatly reduced in size & is barely operational). Though the marines can fill any role, the ranks of the chapter are so depleted that moving a significant number back into the tactical role would seriously reduce the operational efficiency of the assault and veteran units.

Even though the Mantis Warriors have been recalled, "officially" forgiven and have a batch of new recruits... it will be a number of years before the scouts will be ready to assume their roles as full battle brothers. In the mean time, tactical squads are being supplied to the chapter by the Inquisition. These would, under normal circumstances be considered Deathwatch, but in this instance they will function as simply a standard tactical squad. This also serves as one of the ordeals that the Mantis Warriors have to endure in order to be truly accepted back into the ranks of the Adeptus Astartes... suffering the intimate presence of members of other chapters within their ranks, scrutinizing their every move.

What this means for anyone who wants to trade is that I need a simple tactical squad. I've ordered GW's Deathwatch conversion kit, so when my que is cleared a bit and we get to trading... I'll send you the extra bits (pad, bolter & head if you want it) & you can build a representative of your chapter for this duty. Heck, I'd even build the whole marine if that's easier for you, though I suspect most of you would rather build your own. Don't worry about it now... have 3 trades to finish before I can move on to this project, but since it was on my mind I thought I'd lay it out for you. This will also let me work a Rhino into the army while staying consistent with my fluff. Does anyone know of a good Deathwatch style pattern or paint job that I might use as inspiration when the time comes? Since I'll only have one, I can really do it up nice. Wonder if Forge World or Chapterhouse have any Inquisitorial doors or anything for the Rhino.



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OK, answered my own question... Forge World does indeed have some beautiful Inquisitorial Rhino accessories. So, all I need is a good paint scheme (and an rhino... and 10 marines to go in it).

OK, a little progress to show. Base metal is done, and the first yellow color-up is down. Still a long way to go, but progress is progress.

Oh, missed all that auto appended stuff. Yes FW makes some good Inq bits, and phyrl (spelling?) from CH showed some awhile ago that were also good. I'd love to do up at least 1 guy for the DW, and will do as many as you want really.
Do you want to do the traditional DW colors (black with one silver arm and a single pad from home chapter) or totally painted in chapter garb with just the pad and bolter (and some with head)?

Dred is looking good btw! I must warn you, the eyes on FW dred heads can be a mother to get to.

I think I'd like them in their chapter colors with just the DW shoulder pad & bolter... after all, they aren't really DW, just troopers filling in under Inquisitorial control.

Going to have a lot of fun with that rhino when I'm ready. It'll be the only one in my whole army so I'm going to really dress it up.

Let's start with one for now, though I have no problem with you doing more than one save that there are other's marine chapters that I'd love to have represented in the group. You can make them as fancy and dooded up as you want, just as long as they're recognizable as a tac marine. Sergeant should have power fist & combi-bolter, other than that... any tactical option is wide open.

I am seriously considering pulling out my jewelry tools and removing the scallops from within the railing. It's kind of a stupid set up anyway, how would he see out of the damn thing? I mean autosenses sure... but then why have the helmet at all?

When I send your swap over (when I get to it ) I can include a selection of chapter pads, brazen minotaurs, imperial fists, invaders, iron fists, a few sabretooth pads and of course the awesome Blackhand chapter pad.

Would that help pimp out your deathwatch marines?

It certainly would IF I come up short in the trades... I'm kind of hoping I can find enough people who want a MW in trade that I can fill the ranks without having to do so myself... however, I suspect it's likely that I may have to do a couple of the less exciting bolter guys myself in the end. So hold that thought.

Gitsplitta wrote: Does anyone know of a good Deathwatch style pattern or paint job that I might use as inspiration when the time comes?

I once saw a really awesome Deathwatch army (1500pts?) on sale for $400 in a Houston FLGS, and the Land Raider they had was black, with some white highlights, a chapter symbol, and tons of "writing" all over it. So maybe something like that, with gold on the inquisitorial logo and stuff.

Also, that idea sounds cool

i'll paint a Blood Angels deathwatch squad member

Sounds great pie! I guess I'd better keep track of things.

I'll make a list and keep it updated...

A-hem!


If you'd like to do a marine swap with Gitsplitta and would like to make a member of his one and only tactical squad, please PM me and I'll add you to the list. As it will be a while before I have a clear que to work on trades,so please be patient, I want to fulfill my current obligations before embarking on another project... but this way we won't get duplication of chapters or marine configuration. Also please think about what you'd like me to do in return.

Please provide the chapter and configuration of the marine you'd like to do. I will provide the Deathwatch shoulder pad and bolter for you (or you can leave the right shoulder pad and bolter off & I'll do them here). I can also provide any special weapons that you may require.

Here are the slots:

Sergeant: Solar Lions (Solar_Lion)
Special Weapon: Plasma Trooper, Cromson Palidins (Lennysmash)
Trooper 1: Blood Angles (pie_2054)
Trooper 2: Salamanders (Twisted_Thrasher)
Trooper 3:
Trooper 4:
Trooper 5:
Trooper 6:
Trooper 7:
Heavy Weapon:
- Plasma, Dark Angles (whalemusic360)


If enough people want to trade, we can always do different load-outs of the special and heavy weapons. DIY chapters welcome.

Thanks all, really looking forward to fielding a squad made up of my friend's handiwork! And hoping my handiwork finds it's way onto your gaming tables in return!

You gotta have a doom eagle in there

Yes, there will be a doom eagle... but since that one's done in -house, I can wait and see what slots are left to be filled after the trades are complete.




A thought and a question...

I'm wondering if I should paint the head of the dreadnought a different color in order to break up the figure a bit and give it a visual focal point. All the trim will be in gold, the plaques in grey marble, and then there's the purity seals and banners (to be added below the guns) in off-white, red and or purple (for backing). There won't be a lot of visual distinction between the yellow and gold trim, which will make up the bulk of the figure, so I'm wondering if I need to fiddle with the head for contrast.

Thanks! - Gits

Id do the head black, assuming your going to use the camo pattern.

What specail weapon/heavy weapon do you want? I'll do a plama weapon in DA colors if you want (its their "thing"). Otherwise sign me up for 1 of whatever and I'll do my yet unvailed Codex chapter.

i'll do a heavy weapon or Trooper 1

Plasma sounds great WM, either special or Hvy... whatever you want to do. That'll be kinda cool because there will be nearly no plasma's in the chapter as they would have gotten out of the habbit of using them during the crusade (self preservation).

where can you get the deathwatch pads?

and Black for the head is a cool idea.

GW has a nice upgrade set, 10 pads, 10 bolters and 10 heads for $25. The heads aren't anything special, but the pads and bolters are very nice. Chapterhouse also has a couple of different designs that would work too.

Lemme see what I can wrangle up, but I'm thinkin a Plasma cannon is in the realm of possibilities. I'll need the pad for sure, maybe the head. I do kinda like the idea of a black head (dispite the acne referance).

We can work out the trade part latter, but consider the heavy weapon slot 1 taken.

You got it WM, thanks!

I'll take the special weapon slot if you like Gits, with either this guy or if you like I can make a differently posed guy, either is fine. Also I won't glue the weapon so you can swap it out for different lists.



I'm very sorry, I just realised my punctuation on that post was terrible, will amend.

Nice! But you have the shoulder pads reversed.

Actually not really if you follow the logic that they are not fully inducted DW. Onced returned to their parent chapters the DW pad reverts to the squad designation side and the parent heraldry resumes it place on the left. It is only while on active duty that the DW pad is the primary heraldic device on the left. And as Git will be fielding these marines in their chapter livery technically it should be on the right....

......or that could all be wrong, either way what do you reckon, lol.