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(cause I have an opinion)

noun. The definition of art is the product of imagination and creativity, particularly in a physical form. A painting, theatrical performance and a sculpture are each an example of art.

Your wrong Artemis.

Not everything is art true...but the intention is what make it art.

The guy making a anime girl garage kit of some half nude maid is an artist cause hes making art. Its a half nude anime maid...but its still art.

People rip Akira Toriyama apart for his particular style (dragon ball dragon balll z) but hes still an artist. and for those that DO like him..a great one


Yes...everything can be art if that;s the intention. to dismiss a artist because of their failure at execution or subject leads to a road where someone might say that Gil Elvgre is not an artist cause all he did was take photos of half naked girls and copy them.

The person who drew those pictures has talent and can execute an idea and the person who sculpted them digitally has skill and can execute an idea and both are making art.

Space girls with weird proportions and ridiculous guns pin up might not be what you like.... but its still art.

Also just cause its made with intent to sell does not diminish art. Normal Rockwell made many of his paintings for the sole purpose of selling to commercial investment (Coke for example).

That was all completely off subject so here's some more prodoss based words. I wonder if they will ship their miniatures out tomorrow like the website says

 Artemis Black wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
That's what I was going to say; art quality is subjective and whilst we might not like it it doesn't stop becoming art.

Hell, I went to an art museum in Helsinki and one of the rooms was filled with Jars of urine. It's still art. My favorite painting is a solid black canvas in a gallery in Russia somewhere; painted purely because Stalin would hate it (because it serves no point whatsoever).

So you can't say Michelangelo's David is art, but Prodo's boob-window-power-armour isn't. Not that I'm saying Prodo's stuff should be on display in the Louvre, but it still falls under the remits of art, and some people like that sort of thing.

If everything is art, then nothing is art. Next time someone tries to tell you that jars of urine is art, tell them to feth off and get a life

(Or offer to sell them some urine first)

No artist should ever have to submit to a urine test!

The Auld Grump - I admit... I like Alaskan pollock more than Jackson Pollock....

The discussion on 'what is art' might be better continued elsewhere? (not that I'm a mod or anything).

My two cents on the matter though is that those kind of arguments are almost always fruitless due to some people equating the term 'art' with some kind of quality and some people don't.

Unless it's first agreed what we mean by the term, there's no point in trying to argue whether something should be included in it.

 rayphoton wrote:
(cause I have an opinion)

noun. The definition of art is the product of imagination and creativity, particularly in a physical form. A painting, theatrical performance and a sculpture are each an example of art.

Your wrong Artemis.

"you're", more spelling, less art theory *boom*

More seriously though, while I fully stand by what i said, it was only meant as a joke rather than an invite to a long, and as someone above said, likely completely unwinnable, argument on what is art

 rayphoton wrote:
the intention is what make it art.

Yeah... IDK about that. Or, rather, it might be that then intention needs to be more than the unassailable declaration "I believe this is art." Calling a urinal art as an absurdist statement can make it art as a conceptual piece. Calling a urinal art because someone else said it was so yours should be too... is really iffy but probably still (not good) art. Callin a urinal art because it has a bigger profit margin than selling it to a plumber doesn't make it art.

Really off topic folks. Maybe start another thread and solve world peace there instead of cluttering this otherwise awesome Prodos product thread.

OT-These models look great!

So, wait, they use the name of an existing game by Games Workshop, and then have models that are ridiculously evocative of Game Workshop license material, and this has somehow not been C&D'd out of existence yet?

delete for double post

You have to maintain a trademark to get to keep it.

 Artemis Black wrote:


"you're", more spelling, less art theory *boom*

More seriously though, while I fully stand by what i said, it was only meant as a joke rather than an invite to a long, and as someone above said, likely completely unwinnable, argument on what is art

Grammer Nazi .....but yes you are correct...truly not an argument/discussion for this thread. I feel strongly about it so ....had to make my comment.

In my defense......I did ask if Prodos was gonna ship by tomorrow at the very end of my rant....cough

 rayphoton wrote:

 Artemis Black wrote:


"you're", more spelling, less art theory *boom*

More seriously though, while I fully stand by what i said, it was only meant as a joke rather than an invite to a long, and as someone above said, likely completely unwinnable, argument on what is art

Grammer Nazi

You spelled grammar wrong! Get in the bin!

spell check is supposed to save me.....damn you spell check...

 Artemis Black wrote:

 rayphoton wrote:

 Artemis Black wrote:


"you're", more spelling, less art theory *boom*

More seriously though, while I fully stand by what i said, it was only meant as a joke rather than an invite to a long, and as someone above said, likely completely unwinnable, argument on what is art

Grammer Nazi

You spelled grammar wrong! Get in the bin!

It's Art

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
I mean, how many statues do you see of nude females Vs dressed females, or art prints?

Ye be tryin' to fool who exactly?

Spoiler:

Noticed something? Hint, look between the legs. Yes, that's the difference between nude statues and nude wargaming models.
Nude statues come in both gender.

Uhm... so do wargaming models.

Those are just three examples I happen to own that popped into my head. There are also a ton of Mierce models out there with their junk flapping in the breeze, a fact people in those threads bemoan as well, like a hippo man doesn't want to air out the lads a bit here and again.

Maybe there are more naked women than men, but then there are more straight men in the wargaming/miniature collecting hobby than straight women or gay men, so it isn't terribly surprising.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
I mean, how many statues do you see of nude females Vs dressed females, or art prints?

Ye be tryin' to fool who exactly?

Spoiler:

Noticed something? Hint, look between the legs. Yes, that's the difference between nude statues and nude wargaming models.

Spoiler:

Nude statues come in both gender.

I don't think the ratio of male:female nudes is that different in wargaming and the art world. From my experience art galleries (unless it's something like a Mapplethorpe exhibit) tend to be mostly female. Plenty of nude male mini's out there, but there tends to be outrage when they get mentioned.

weeble1000 wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
I remember someone from reaper saying in their experiments, nude figures outsold clothed equivalents 4:1

I've heard that too, although whether it actually came from Reaper or exists as accumulated internet lore I don't know.

I'm pretty sure it was the owner of Reaper, on their forums in a thread about the Kickstarter Sophie. Obviously I can't search for it from work...

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

1- art quality ain't subjective: there's certainly taste in art, but, well, concept and execution are qualifiers, and people who're actually trained know what to look for. Same way you can like or dislike a building's style, but an architect will be able to tell you if it gets its job done. Art as purely subjective is a way to avoid getting someone's feelings hurt.

Art is pretty much the definition of subjective.
The comparison with architecture is a bad one too; there's science behind the function and it's measurable - you can have a well built but ugly building, or a poorly built but stunning building. Art has no function, so there's nothing to measure against.

The function of art is to communicate a message or idea. That's essentially the difference between art and the caprices of nature, beautiful though those may be.

Thanks, Nomeny. Yes, art's function is expression/communication.

If art poorly expresses an idea, it's probably bad art. If art is not expressing anything at all, it's probably not art.

It's definitely not quantifiable, but qualitative success or failure. But something having qualitative value does not mean its success or failure is undefinable and therefore nonexistent.

weeble1000 wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
I remember someone from reaper saying in their experiments, nude figures outsold clothed equivalents 4:1

I've heard that too, although whether it actually came from Reaper or exists as accumulated internet lore I don't know.

Anyway, I have no reason to assume it's not true. But my point was that in terms of product offerings, you see far less nude/cheescake models than not.

Regardless of whether nudes sell more, Reaper's catalog isn't 65% naked models, right? In fact, you have to go digging if that's what you are looking for.

Why is that if nudes sell 4 times as much? I dunno. Probably a question for KidKyoto. I've never understood how Reaper decides what models to produce. I'm looking at YOU anthropomorphic armadillo gunslinger!

Edit: HEY wait! Isn't the Armadillo Gunslinger NUDE! Let me see...YES both of them are.

Sorry, I started to reply to this but zoned out: the quote I think you are referring to is one I have used several times myself;

Buzzsaw wrote:With regards to the sexy or non-sexy debate, virtually the only statement of any real weight I have seen on the subject is the statement by Bryan Stiltz from Reaper miniatures;

But we have done some tests. Conversions on the same figure, and released under different part numbers and names have shown that an immodest figure will outsell a more modest version of the same exact figure. A topless version will sell a LOT more, and full nudity will sell even more.

Now, obviously this is the results of one company, and testing a very different market (individual figures rather then product lines), but this is, to the best of my knowledge, the only such testing ever publicly reported.

That's not to say that there is no market out there, or that the preferences that exist for single models (presumably bought for painting/display/RPGs) are applicable to building an army. But there is an opportunity coming in the next year as there are going to be 5 fairly large entries into the market of aesthetically distinct female miniatures; Raging Heroes has 3 different lines of female miniatures coming out ranging from tank tops and bare midriffs to head-to-toe uniforms. In addition we can (hopefully) expect relatively soon Dreamforge Games to release their Black Widow female anti-tank troopers in their Eisenkern line and the entry from Victoria miniatures.

A year from now if those lines reach the market we will have some real, new data in this area, since they represent five fairly good points on the continuum of titillation, from near-pinup to virtually de-sexualized.

As I point out above, we're really getting to a time when there are a lot of options, it's going to be fascinating to see if previous predictions hold true about people's buying habits. But that's beyond the scope of this thread, certainly.

So...the 23rd has come. I'm positive that someone ordered at least on of these.

Since AVP is such a huge lingering issue in regards to Prodos ability to complete a project (And regarding this I have no experience or opinion, I didn't buy into the AVP KS)

Has there been any movement on miniature purchases?

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
So, wait, they use the name of an existing game by Games Workshop, and then have models that are ridiculously evocative of Game Workshop license material, and this has somehow not been C&D'd out of existence yet?

The rights to the name must have lapsed (is it 25 years? Not sure how these things work)

Same thing happened with Heroquest, at least in Europe where Gamezone are meant to be launching a game with that title (if it ever sees the light of day)

 rayphoton wrote:
So...the 23rd has come. I'm positive that someone ordered at least on of these.

Since AVP is such a huge lingering issue in regards to Prodos ability to complete a project (And regarding this I have no experience or opinion, I didn't buy into the AVP KS)

Has there been any movement on miniature purchases?

I wondered pretty early on about the wording on the release dates. I find it odd that the boxed game has a release date after the individual minis.

'Shipping after' (Prodos text on their site) is also lot different than 'shipping from'

Prodos posting lots of in development work leads me to believe that any actual buyers will be waiting a while before getting the minis in their hands. Especially as criticism led them to talk of a PG release - which wasn't around when this was first on the Prodos site.

These feel more like they're using boobs and such as a cash grab more than some sort of artistic expression, especially when coupled with the history of this company.

 rayphoton wrote:
So...the 23rd has come. I'm positive that someone ordered at least on of these.

Since AVP is such a huge lingering issue in regards to Prodos ability to complete a project (And regarding this I have no experience or opinion, I didn't buy into the AVP KS)

Has there been any movement on miniature purchases?

Orders moved to a new status yesterday. No shipping info.

Hi there, another update:

Nyx heroine: 360 view here: https://skfb.ly/LtOV

And a photo:


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skarsol wrote:

 rayphoton wrote:
So...the 23rd has come. I'm positive that someone ordered at least on of these.

Since AVP is such a huge lingering issue in regards to Prodos ability to complete a project (And regarding this I have no experience or opinion, I didn't buy into the AVP KS)

Has there been any movement on miniature purchases?

Orders moved to a new status yesterday. No shipping info.

Hi there, shipping starters yesterday, once the status is changed to in progress it takes at max. 2 days to get it shipped out.

I love the pose on that ...

These models look awful. I can only assume their Warzone and AVP sculptor quit and they have some college interns sculpting these monopose monstrosities

I like that last one!

is there a posibility of getting the chaosy bikes by themselves?

Odd choice of texture for the chest(or is that a general Chaos thing?). Also the continuation of power heels- wouldn't have a foot closer to the ground provide a firmer contact point with the base? I have enough trouble with tip-toeing hormagaunts, and It appears these will have the same problem.

Looks like she put her bra through the dryer.

At least there's scenery to go with these gals!



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