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I can't say I trust the stats for the WK's Wraithcannons that we've seen. That same batch of rumors listed a couple other options for the main arm, and those options don't agree with what we know. We know the Suncannon has 3 AP2 blasts. It was said in the WD when talking about how scary it can be. It can only take one arm like this so thats a major doubt raised.

So has it been confirmed that there is no range increase for the shuriken catapults?

According to the ipad sample they still are 12" but gain the ability to auto wound with AP2 on a 6 to wound.

Thats still ridiculous. I can see that on storm guardians, but not for regular troops. As was said before, now they're just wounds formthe gun platform.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Thats still ridiculous. I can see that on storm guardians, but not for regular troops. As was said before, now they're just wounds formthe gun platform.

They've been additional wounds for weapon platforms for a few editions now. Nothing new there. Of course, people might think twice about charging them now, especially if they can still have a warlock in the unit.

KaiyaA wrote:
Is it better to pre-order stuff or buy the codex first in you guys' opinion?

Never pre-order anything. EVER.

Pre-ordering is the fanboy's ultimate demonstration of having more money than sense. When you pre-order a product, what you say to the company that makes it is, "I am so impulsive/uncritical/unwilling to control my spending that I will give you my money even before you show me a product... I just want the promise of being the first to have the product. Whatever it is. Pre-ordering is nothing more than giving a company your permission to cheat you with a disappointing upcoming product.

You are a consumer. You have the money. Therefore you have the power. Make the producer prove to you that they deserve your money by putting the physical product in your hands. When you pre-order, you disempower yourself in order to have the sliver of nerd-cred at having the latest new shiney a day or so before other people do... ignoring that the moment another new shiney comes out, your nerd cred will completely evaporate.

 JOHIRA wrote:

KaiyaA wrote:
Is it better to pre-order stuff or buy the codex first in you guys' opinion?

Never pre-order anything. EVER.

Pre-ordering is the fanboy's ultimate demonstration of having more money than sense. When you pre-order a product, what you say to the company that makes it is, "I am so impulsive/uncritical/unwilling to control my spending that I will give you my money even before you show me a product... I just want the promise of being the first to have the product. Whatever it is. Pre-ordering is nothing more than giving a company your permission to cheat you with a disappointing upcoming product.

You are a consumer. You have the money. Therefore you have the power. Make the producer prove to you that they deserve your money by putting the physical product in your hands. When you pre-order, you disempower yourself in order to have the sliver of nerd-cred at having the latest new shiney a day or so before other people do... ignoring that the moment another new shiney comes out, your nerd cred will completely evaporate.

Unless, like myself, you're now just collecting the miniatures... rarely playing the game itself.

 JOHIRA wrote:
Pre-ordering is nothing more than giving a company your permission to cheat you with a disappointing upcoming product.

This isn't ALIENS: Colonial Marines we're talking about here JOHIRA. It's some miniatures that we're already seen.

 JOHIRA wrote:
When you pre-order, you disempower yourself in order to have the sliver of nerd-cred at having the latest new shiney a day or so before other people do... ignoring that the moment another new shiney comes out, your nerd cred will completely evaporate.

That has got to be one of the silliest things I have ever read at Dakka. Of all time. Ever.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:
Pre-ordering is nothing more than giving a company your permission to cheat you with a disappointing upcoming product.

This isn't ALIENS: Colonial Marines we're talking about here JOHIRA. It's some miniatures that we're already seen.

 JOHIRA wrote:
When you pre-order, you disempower yourself in order to have the sliver of nerd-cred at having the latest new shiney a day or so before other people do... ignoring that the moment another new shiney comes out, your nerd cred will completely evaporate.

That has got to be one of the silliest things I have ever read at Dakka. Of all time. Ever.

Looks like someone called Sega's bluff. (;

Hi I saw in the promo video two more of the psychic powers Embolden/Horrify and Enhance/Drain.

Phoenix-Nyx wrote:
Hi I saw in the promo video two more of the psychic powers Embolden/Horrify and Enhance/Drain.

Nice!

Guessing Embolden is re-rolling leadership and Horrify forces a Morale Check. Enhance (if it stays the same) will be +1 WS and I and the Drain will be -1WS and I. Not bad. Liking that they have mirror abilities within the same spell. Since most Warlocks are going to be ML lvl1 anything helps.

Seer Councils with 2 wounds a pop means they probably dropped the Bike option. Otherwise they could be feasibly tougher than Wraithguard.

Pre-ordering is pretty stupid, especially with GW stuff. Is the extra day or two early going to even make a difference in your painting schedule? (Assuming you actually get your stuff before anyone else...) it's hardly a crime though either like that other poster was making it out to be.

orkybenji wrote:
Pre-ordering is pretty stupid, especially with GW stuff. Is the extra day or two early going to even make a difference in your painting schedule? (Assuming you actually get your stuff before anyone else...) it's hardly a crime though either like that other poster was making it out to be.

Actually pre-ordering with GW is stupid because you don't get it early. They send it to you on the day before release, and as they always release things on Saturdays you don't actually get what you ordered until the following Monday or Tuesday. So in a lot of ways pre-ordering from GW just means you get it after general release. Now that's fine if you have no local game stores (like me), but for anyone that does it's a bit foolish.

 Mkvenner wrote:

Phoenix-Nyx wrote:
Hi I saw in the promo video two more of the psychic powers Embolden/Horrify and Enhance/Drain.

Nice!

Guessing Embolden is re-rolling leadership and Horrify forces a Morale Check. Enhance (if it stays the same) will be +1 WS and I and the Drain will be -1WS and I. Not bad. Liking that they have mirror abilities within the same spell. Since most Warlocks are going to be ML lvl1 anything helps.

Seer Councils with 2 wounds a pop means they probably dropped the Bike option. Otherwise they could be feasibly tougher than Wraithguard.

If this is true and Jetseer Councils no longer exist... I will be a very sad panda. More so for the addition of said Jetseers/Jetlocks to Jetbike units etc.

Actually pre-ordering with GW is stupid because you don't get it early. They send it to you on the day before release, and as they always release things on Saturdays you don't actually get what you ordered until the following Monday or Tuesday. So in a lot of ways pre-ordering from GW just means you get it after general release. Now that's fine if you have no local game stores (like me), but for anyone that does it's a bit foolish.

In my case, the preorder was placed via a stockist in the USA, so i'd rather get in early and at least reduce wait time to have the gear sent over prior to the new GW retailer policy coming into effect. Even with the price disparity gap closing (the pricing in the USA going up, rather than Australian pricing going down), there are still substantial discounts that better anything we can get here locally - even with shipping and the USPS increase.

If jet seer's don't exist I will laugh...so hard. Me finally not playing the meta has finally worked out!

GTKA666 wrote:
If jet seer's don't exist I will laugh...so hard. Me finally not playing the meta has finally worked out!

By the looks of it, you've only played 3 games anyway.

 Morachi wrote:

GTKA666 wrote:
If jet seer's don't exist I will laugh...so hard. Me finally not playing the meta has finally worked out!

By the looks of it, you've only played 3 games anyway.

Those are tournament games and not the non competitive ones

GTKA666 wrote:

 Morachi wrote:

GTKA666 wrote:
If jet seer's don't exist I will laugh...so hard. Me finally not playing the meta has finally worked out!

By the looks of it, you've only played 3 games anyway.

Those are tournament games and not the non competitive ones

Ah, interesting, most (if not, all) of the tournaments down here run 5 games rather than 3. Didn't even enter my mind that it would have been win/loss stats of a tournament. Figured you may have just started out with Eldar.

Well your not far from the truth actually. It was a tourny at my LGS and we have a small collection there, but enough for a day of 3 rounds. I started 40k and Eldar around 2 months ago . Before the Tau release and after What was ever before it.

GTKA666 wrote:
Well your not far from the truth actually. It was a tourny at my LGS and we have a small collection there, but enough for a day of 3 rounds. I started 40k and Eldar around 2 months ago . Before the Tau release and after What was ever before it.

Welcome to the 40k snobs club, us Eldar folk are about as arrogant in our generalship superiority as the fluff describes jks.

Nah, we aren't that bad, just enjoy pulling off surprising wins haha.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:
Pre-ordering is nothing more than giving a company your permission to cheat you with a disappointing upcoming product.

This isn't ALIENS: Colonial Marines we're talking about here JOHIRA. It's some miniatures that we're already seen.

 JOHIRA wrote:
When you pre-order, you disempower yourself in order to have the sliver of nerd-cred at having the latest new shiney a day or so before other people do... ignoring that the moment another new shiney comes out, your nerd cred will completely evaporate.

That has got to be one of the silliest things I have ever read at Dakka. Of all time. Ever.

As long as my nerd cred-it card doesn't get declined I will be fine! I don't see a problem with pre-ordering...If you have the money and want to spend it then go for it, free country? Personally, I try as much as possible to never pay retail for any GW product and have built up my armies all from tournament winnings so I hardly paid anything for my rather large pre-order =).

I hope my nerd cred-it rating doesn't drop in a few months though...Where does anyone get their nerd cred checked? Experian simply doesn't cut it for me!

 Popenfresh wrote:

 Morachi wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
They definitely dont know what i think. Not with 22 points per model on fire dragons.

Well they always did have a habit of taking what they got right in a codex and changing it in future revisions. But that is how they cycle demand for other models. Still not surprised they took the War Walkers out and wacked Vypers in to the Battleforce as to clear the warehouses of them.

Lets see how long it takes to meet demand on the Eldar models this time around.

Right, because 16 points for a model with a 3+ save, equipped with a meltagun and with a potential threat range of 24 inches, wouldn't be broken at all....

They're faster and tougher now. Pretty much everyone agreed they were undercosted before.

Wait , so fire dragons were wrecking every ground vehicle for a whole year now in 6th and i didn't know?

They were not wroking for a reason, that reason doesn't seem to change.

( That being paying 200+ points for destroying a tank ,

" Oh wait so you tell me that the specialist anti tank infantry in the codex can get only a 1:1 points ratio before getting gunned down ?

Yes, sir. And now you can get gunned doıwn with a unit that is even higher costed!

That's excellent news!" )

 Morachi wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:

KaiyaA wrote:
Is it better to pre-order stuff or buy the codex first in you guys' opinion?

Never pre-order anything. EVER.

Pre-ordering is the fanboy's ultimate demonstration of having more money than sense. When you pre-order a product, what you say to the company that makes it is, "I am so impulsive/uncritical/unwilling to control my spending that I will give you my money even before you show me a product... I just want the promise of being the first to have the product. Whatever it is. Pre-ordering is nothing more than giving a company your permission to cheat you with a disappointing upcoming product.

You are a consumer. You have the money. Therefore you have the power. Make the producer prove to you that they deserve your money by putting the physical product in your hands. When you pre-order, you disempower yourself in order to have the sliver of nerd-cred at having the latest new shiney a day or so before other people do... ignoring that the moment another new shiney comes out, your nerd cred will completely evaporate.

Unless, like myself, you're now just collecting the miniatures... rarely playing the game itself.

Pre-ordering a codex or other kind of books makes sense. You are right about everything else.

 pizzaguardian wrote:

 Popenfresh wrote:

 Morachi wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
They definitely dont know what i think. Not with 22 points per model on fire dragons.

Well they always did have a habit of taking what they got right in a codex and changing it in future revisions. But that is how they cycle demand for other models. Still not surprised they took the War Walkers out and wacked Vypers in to the Battleforce as to clear the warehouses of them.

Lets see how long it takes to meet demand on the Eldar models this time around.

Right, because 16 points for a model with a 3+ save, equipped with a meltagun and with a potential threat range of 24 inches, wouldn't be broken at all....

They're faster and tougher now. Pretty much everyone agreed they were undercosted before.

Wait , so fire dragons were wrecking every ground vehicle for a whole year now in 6th and i didn't know?

They were not wroking for a reason, that reason doesn't seem to change.

( That being paying 200+ points for destroying a tank ,

" Oh wait so you tell me that the specialist anti tank infantry in the codex can get only a 1:1 points ratio before getting gunned down ?

Yes, sir. And now you can get gunned doıwn with a units that is even higher costed!

That's excellent news!" )

The thing most people overlook is the fact they needed a dedicated transport to even get CLOSE to the unit they wanted to tear apart. That took a 110+ point transport, just to get them close enough to be used. So wacking in that cost, the original 16 point model became anywhere between 38 points per model for a 5 man unit or 27 points per model for a full squad of 10. Hence that seemingly cheap 16 point cost comes with hidden taxes.

Now you're looking at 44 and 33 points respectively to get them close enough for use, presuming no great drop in the cost of a Wave Serpent. Even with their 3+ save, you're going to have to put them in Wave Serpents still, or take them in full squads to get them across the field - such is the way when you're touting a 12" weapons range.

It is also for this reason I always preferred Jetbikes over Dire Avengers and Jetbike mounted Seers/Locks over their foot slogging counterparts. Simply couldn't see the value in having units that only got to fire half the time or wasted entire turns sitting in transports unable to engage anything. Plus denying the enemy targets by using the Assault phase move was always very "fluffy" in the "catch me if you can" sense of Eldar's play style.

Haven't seen this posted in the thread. In the WD battle report a Wave Serpent "fires its serpent shield". It doesn't sound mega powerful - it kills 2 Necron Warriors - but it maybe another nice little capability for the Serpents to have.

 Pershore wrote:
Haven't seen this posted in the thread. In the WD battle report a Wave Serpent "fires its serpent shield". It doesn't sound mega powerful - it kills 2 Necron Warriors - but it maybe another nice little capability for the Serpents to have.

Another blast from the past, although I think the Apocalypse Wave Serpent formation can do it too.

 pizzaguardian wrote:

 Popenfresh wrote:

 Morachi wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
They definitely dont know what i think. Not with 22 points per model on fire dragons.

Well they always did have a habit of taking what they got right in a codex and changing it in future revisions. But that is how they cycle demand for other models. Still not surprised they took the War Walkers out and wacked Vypers in to the Battleforce as to clear the warehouses of them.

Lets see how long it takes to meet demand on the Eldar models this time around.

Right, because 16 points for a model with a 3+ save, equipped with a meltagun and with a potential threat range of 24 inches, wouldn't be broken at all....

They're faster and tougher now. Pretty much everyone agreed they were undercosted before.

Wait , so fire dragons were wrecking every ground vehicle for a whole year now in 6th and i didn't know?

They were not wroking for a reason, that reason doesn't seem to change.

( That being paying 200+ points for destroying a tank ,

" Oh wait so you tell me that the specialist anti tank infantry in the codex can get only a 1:1 points ratio before getting gunned down ?

Yes, sir. And now you can get gunned doıwn with a unit that is even higher costed!

That's excellent news!" )

sigh you dont even know what they do yet...or the rest of the army....

they got battle focus (run/shoot) and a 3+ save for one...


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 Morachi wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:

 Popenfresh wrote:

 Morachi wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
They definitely dont know what i think. Not with 22 points per model on fire dragons.

Well they always did have a habit of taking what they got right in a codex and changing it in future revisions. But that is how they cycle demand for other models. Still not surprised they took the War Walkers out and wacked Vypers in to the Battleforce as to clear the warehouses of them.

Lets see how long it takes to meet demand on the Eldar models this time around.

Right, because 16 points for a model with a 3+ save, equipped with a meltagun and with a potential threat range of 24 inches, wouldn't be broken at all....

They're faster and tougher now. Pretty much everyone agreed they were undercosted before.

Wait , so fire dragons were wrecking every ground vehicle for a whole year now in 6th and i didn't know?

They were not wroking for a reason, that reason doesn't seem to change.

( That being paying 200+ points for destroying a tank ,

" Oh wait so you tell me that the specialist anti tank infantry in the codex can get only a 1:1 points ratio before getting gunned down ?

Yes, sir. And now you can get gunned doıwn with a units that is even higher costed!

That's excellent news!" )

The thing most people overlook is the fact they needed a dedicated transport to even get CLOSE to the unit they wanted to tear apart. That took a 110+ point transport, just to get them close enough to be used. So wacking in that cost, the original 16 point model became anywhere between 38 points per model for a 5 man unit or 27 points per model for a full squad of 10. Hence that seemingly cheap 16 point cost comes with hidden taxes.

Now you're looking at 44 and 33 points respectively to get them close enough for use, presuming no great drop in the cost of a Wave Serpent. Even with their 3+ save, you're going to have to put them in Wave Serpents still, or take them in full squads to get them across the field - such is the way when you're touting a 12" weapons range.

It is also for this reason I always preferred Jetbikes over Dire Avengers and Jetbike mounted Seers/Locks over their foot slogging counterparts. Simply couldn't see the value in having units that only got to fire half the time or wasted entire turns sitting in transports unable to engage anything. Plus denying the enemy targets by using the Assault phase move was always very "fluffy" in the "catch me if you can" sense of Eldar's play style.

this is not unique to eldar...all melta gun troopers needed a ride...

Theorius wrote:


sigh you dont even know what they do yet...or the rest of the army....

they got battle focus (run/shoot) and a 3+ save for one...

People are the ones telling me that it is worth 22 points is worth a meltagun meltabombed model. I am simply saying they had the near same wargear in the old codex with %30 percent cheaper models and they didn't work back then.

The sky may not be falling, but it sure isn't roses and cup cakes.


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Theorius wrote:


this is not unique to eldar...all melta gun troopers needed a ride...

But theya re not 100 point tanks, they are either 35 points drop pods,rhinos. or 55 point chimeras

 pizzaguardian wrote:

Theorius wrote:


sigh you dont even know what they do yet...or the rest of the army....

they got battle focus (run/shoot) and a 3+ save for one...

People are the ones telling me that it is worth 22 points is worth a meltagun meltabombed model. I am simply saying they had the near same wargear in the old codex with %30 percent cheaper models and they didn't work back then.

The sky may not be falling, but it sure isn't roses and cup cakes.


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Theorius wrote:


this is not unique to eldar...all melta gun troopers needed a ride...

But theya re not 100 point tanks, they are either 35 points drop pods,rhinos. or 55 point chimeras

22pts is not a bad cost based on the info we do know, let alone what we dont.

Yeah, i see the point about trying to get the WS cheaper. Thats always been the Eldar way, though: T3 but expensive toys and abilities. But they've always had very good psychic abilities to make up for some short comings.

Same type of thing with high elves in fantasy. You take the bare minimum of core and load up on the specials, because thats where you heavy hitters are. I havent seen the the new army book, but i imagine it will be the same armies, with a mix of the newer specials.