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Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Are direswords still the same or did they change them?

the dire exarch can take a power sword or this sword

asuryans sword: s user ap 2 melee, soulcut:

for each unsaved wound caused by it the model has to pass a ld test or gets removed from play.

Theorius wrote:

Darge wrote:

KaiyaA wrote:

Powerguy wrote:
Derp, yeah you are correct. My brain clearly isn't working properly (I have the codex lol)

No problem, happy to be the one explaining something for once! Wow how'd you get it early?

Some people are just better than us regular peons XP

Though this peon does have one question, well actually two.
1. Are there any force org shenanigans? Other than spirit seer, like autarchs or phoenix lords.
2. Does the phoenix armor come with the phoenix gem built in?

Much appreciated if you can answer powerguy. This has been bugging me for awhile.

1. no
2. no idea never mentioned but i am guessing no....

No force org shenanigans makes me a sad panda :(

And the phoenix thing was just an idea, when I read the descipt for the phoenix gem before we knew what it was it sounded like an ability phoenix lords would have, and when I read that all the poenix lords have phoenix armor the gears were turning. That's too many times to say phoenix in the same post...

Darge wrote:

Theorius wrote:

Darge wrote:

KaiyaA wrote:

Powerguy wrote:
Derp, yeah you are correct. My brain clearly isn't working properly (I have the codex lol)

No problem, happy to be the one explaining something for once! Wow how'd you get it early?

Some people are just better than us regular peons XP

Though this peon does have one question, well actually two.
1. Are there any force org shenanigans? Other than spirit seer, like autarchs or phoenix lords.
2. Does the phoenix armor come with the phoenix gem built in?

Much appreciated if you can answer powerguy. This has been bugging me for awhile.

1. no
2. no idea never mentioned but i am guessing no....

No force org shenanigans makes me a sad panda :(

And the phoenix thing was just an idea, when I read the descipt for the phoenix gem before we knew what it was it sounded like an ability phoenix lords would have, and when I read that all the poenix lords have phoenix armor the gears were turning. That's too many times to say phoenix in the same post...

i dont understand the obsession with force org shenanigans? you want to take 4+ scorpion units or something?

i dont understand the obsession with force org shenanigans? you want to take 4+ scorpion units or something?

More options, is generally a good thing.

 Sasori wrote:

i dont understand the obsession with force org shenanigans? you want to take 4+ scorpion units or something?

More options, is generally a good thing.

i dont see how it makes more options. Its not like sorcpions or howling bashees make good scoring troops.....

and I dare say cant see why you would want more than 1-2 let alone 3...


Is it that people wanted like...ALL aspects to be troops?

Theorius wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

i dont understand the obsession with force org shenanigans? you want to take 4+ scorpion units or something?

More options, is generally a good thing.

i dont see how it makes more options. Its not like sorcpions or howling bashees make good scoring troops.....

and I dare say cant see why you would want more than 1-2 let alone 3...


Is it that people wanted like...ALL aspects to be troops?

Dark Reapers would be nice as troops due to there being such a large amount of viable Heavy Support choices. Also with is Elite Aspects were Troops that would free up more slots for Harlequins and Wraithguard.

Theorius wrote:
i dont understand the obsession with force org shenanigans? you want to take 4+ scorpion units or something?

People sometimes like to theme their army. For example, if they want to run Biel Tan but heavily around Striking Scorpions, they need to use a few squads of Dire Avengers as the core scoring part of the army, which destroys the theme.

I'd personally love to run an entirely winged Tyranid army. Allowing Winged Hive Tyrants to unlock Gargoyles as troops wouldn't be broken at all, and would let me run an army of Flying Tyrants, Shrikes, Gargoyles and Harpies to represent the opening flying attack waves of a Tyranid assault. As it is, I'd have to put in two other non-winged troops units (Termagants, Hormagaunts, Rippers, Genestealers or Warriors) which completely ruins the theme of the army.

Theorius wrote:
i dont see how it makes more options. Its not like sorcpions or howling bashees make good scoring troops.....

Some people want to play their Craftworld the way their Craftworld is meant to be played. Who cares if its effective on the table or not?

Theorius wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

i dont understand the obsession with force org shenanigans? you want to take 4+ scorpion units or something?

More options, is generally a good thing.

i dont see how it makes more options. Its not like sorcpions or howling bashees make good scoring troops.....

and I dare say cant see why you would want more than 1-2 let alone 3...


Is it that people wanted like...ALL aspects to be troops?

Scorpions could make great, enemy back-field objective threatening troops.

Banshees are terrible.

I really liked the idea of Autarchs taking a "path" and unlocking two of that aspect as troops. It's too bad that never came true, as that would have been awesome.

Theorius wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

i dont understand the obsession with force org shenanigans? you want to take 4+ scorpion units or something?

More options, is generally a good thing.

i dont see how it makes more options. Its not like sorcpions or howling bashees make good scoring troops.....

and I dare say cant see why you would want more than 1-2 let alone 3...


Is it that people wanted like...ALL aspects to be troops?

2 words: Necron Flyers

What does this mean? Simply the necrons can have an obscene amount of flyers on the board while everyone else is stuck to the force org. Most people were hoping that by taking an autarch and attaching him to a unit, it would make that unit troop choice and freeing up another potential slot for more weapons.

Essentially having 4 heavies on the table since the autarch made one of the heavies a troop choice and bringing more fire powa to the table.

 Sasori wrote:
I really liked the idea of Autarchs taking a "path" and unlocking two of that aspect as troops. It's too bad that never came true, as that would have been awesome.

That would've been fantastic. Themed Wargear and it changes out that Aspect for troops (and in the case of Avengers, gives them a boost).

Darge wrote:

KaiyaA wrote:

Powerguy wrote:
Derp, yeah you are correct. My brain clearly isn't working properly (I have the codex lol)

No problem, happy to be the one explaining something for once! Wow how'd you get it early?

Some people are just better than us regular peons XP

Though this peon does have one question, well actually two.
1. Are there any force org shenanigans? Other than spirit seer, like autarchs or phoenix lords.
2. Does the phoenix armor come with the phoenix gem built in?

Much appreciated if you can answer powerguy. This has been bugging me for awhile.

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Spirit Seer moves Wraithblades and Wraithguard to troops, Mastery 2, 2W L9, can only pick from Telepath and the Warlock powers (Battle).
The Autarch is almost exactly the same as before, +1/-1 to reserves, access to most of the standard Aspect weapons and the new unique artifact weapons. No changes to FOC. Probably only going to be using in flyer heavy lists tbh.
Phoenix Lords have the same stat line, have generally been buffed a bit but stayed the same cost (which means that Asurmen/Jain Zar/Karandras/Fuegan are good, Baraharoth is still pretty terrible). They don't do anything for the Aspects.
In short, no new FOC changes, its just Wraithguard/Blades that can change, the same as the old codex.

Phoenix Gem is a unique artifact that HQ choices can take, it has nothing to do with Phoenix Lords. Its nowhere near as good as the initial details showed, its a S4 AP5 Large Blast not an AP3 Large Blast so your chances of causing a wound and standing back up aren't that great. The only artifact that stands out is the one Farseers can take which can reduce Warp Charge 2 powers to Warp Charge 1 in exchange for turning off their Rune Armour (which is important since quite a few of the Runes of Fate powers are 2 charge, including Fortune). The rest I really don't see much use for, the Falcon Wing (massive run) one isn't that helpful for a single non scoring model and the rest are weapons of varying effectiveness.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I really liked the idea of Autarchs taking a "path" and unlocking two of that aspect as troops. It's too bad that never came true, as that would have been awesome.

That would've been fantastic. Themed Wargear and it changes out that Aspect for troops (and in the case of Avengers, gives them a boost).

Never know. They might be saving this for a Biel Tan supplement.

The idea of an $80 book just to shift a few FOC slots around disgusts me.

Just noticed in the iPad sample, the names of the units are all over the place. For instance;

1. Vypers are called "Vyper Jetbikes"
2. Two Warlocks with "Saim Hann Farseer" listed
3. Warlock with "Ulthwe Farseer" listed
4. Biel Tann Jetbikes with "Wind Rider Guardian" - as far as I knew, only Saim Hann had Wind Riders

Very odd indeed... another rush job? Looks like they've just cut/pasted from the original entries back in the mid 90s with regards to the Vyper (when it had the label of Jetbike).

I'm not surprised that the Ipad entries are messed up. They probably don't get the same level of detailed proof reading that the codex get. And we all know how great the proof reading is there.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The idea of an $80 book just to shift a few FOC slots around disgusts me.

but in itself it is worth the cost, that is depending upon what is moved where. Like if wraith guard are troops, lords are elite, and knights are heavy. That is a disgustingly powerful list that would only require a few AA units and BAM, got yourself a competitive army.

Theorius wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Are direswords still the same or did they change them?

the dire exarch can take a power sword or this sword

asuryans sword: s user ap 2 melee, soulcut:

for each unsaved wound caused by it the model has to pass a ld test or gets removed from play.

So that exarch or phoenix lord, coupled with the spell that lowers leadership by 3 will make that sword quite deadly in challenges. Very nice.

Theorius wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

i dont understand the obsession with force org shenanigans? you want to take 4+ scorpion units or something?

More options, is generally a good thing.

i dont see how it makes more options. Its not like sorcpions or howling bashees make good scoring troops.....

and I dare say cant see why you would want more than 1-2 let alone 3...


Is it that people wanted like...ALL aspects to be troops?

Well from a Fluff perspective it makes sense. When a Phoenix Lord takes the field even the rarest of aspects are common sight in their presence, Look at Bahharoth's Apoc formation, that's just loaded with fluff. Now I know fluff =/= rules, so I'm not mad or anything but it would also be an easy way to justify the high cost of phoenix lords in small-mid size games(750-1500) if you could get their aspects as troops, for Example:

995
HQ
195 Bahharoth

Troops
200ish Swooping Hawks x10 With Exarch, Sun Rifle, Hit and Run, Sniper Vision
200ish Swooping Hawks x10 With Exarch, Hawk's Talon, Hit and Run, Sniper Vision

Fast Attack
110 Vyper Squadron x2, Star Cannon x2
Heavy Support
145 Falcon, Scatter Laser, Holo Field
145 Falcon, Scatter Laser, Holo Field

A small list like this covers all bases, is is perfectly viable in casual games, it's fluffy, It's basis is on Swooping Hawks and that's 100% obvious when you first see it on the table and you forgo having to take troops you don't want. Sure i could drop the Vypers, move the Hawks back to FA and add something like windrider jetbikes in as troops, but in order for it to be viable I'd have to considerably cut down on Hawks to get enough bikes to be able to get objectives, and the entire feel of the army changes.

Now I know the this isn't the way it is and I accept that, but there are other reasons to want aspects as troops instead of just having lost of scorpions or whatever in bigger games.

Any confirmation on Warlocks joining Wraith units?

 Morachi wrote:
Just noticed in the iPad sample, the names of the units are all over the place. For instance;

1. Vypers are called "Vyper Jetbikes"
2. Two Warlocks with "Saim Hann Farseer" listed
3. Warlock with "Ulthwe Farseer" listed
4. Biel Tann Jetbikes with "Wind Rider Guardian" - as far as I knew, only Saim Hann had Wind Riders

Very odd indeed... another rush job? Looks like they've just cut/pasted from the original entries back in the mid 90s with regards to the Vyper (when it had the label of Jetbike).

The last is not technically an error. Saim Hann has Wild Rider clans. But every Craftworld has Wind Riders. In the old days of Epic, a Wind Rider Host was a formation of jetbikes and Vypers, and it still is in Apocalypse.

Puscifer wrote:
Any confirmation on Warlocks joining Wraith units?

They can not. They can only join Guardians, Storm Guardians, Jetbikes and Support Batteries.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:

Theorius wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Are direswords still the same or did they change them?

the dire exarch can take a power sword or this sword

asuryans sword: s user ap 2 melee, soulcut:

for each unsaved wound caused by it the model has to pass a ld test or gets removed from play.

So that exarch or phoenix lord, coupled with the spell that lowers leadership by 3 will make that sword quite deadly in challenges. Very nice.

as will the psyker plane that makes them reroll leadership tests!!!!!

 Oaka wrote:
Regarding Illic Nightspear, are his special rules of having all his shots be precision shots and wounding on a 6 count as Instant death rules that he himself has or that his sniper rifle has? He sounds like a neat gunner for a Quad-gun since he also gets the split-fire warlord trait.

I'm also waiting to hear if the Avatar lost his MC status or not, as none of the sources have it as one of his special rules.

Correct on Ilic (except snap shots are not precision), also his AP is low enough to negate TDA saves. The precision shots comes from him, the wounding mechanic comes from his rifle.

The Avatar is still monstrously powerful.

As a side note: I've seen some people here and other places lamenting the fact that Banshees have no grenades. Rest assured, if Banshees assault something, that unit will be swinging at Initiative 1 almost every time. So at least that evens things out a bit.

 Morachi wrote:
1. Vypers are called "Vyper Jetbikes"

That's cause Vypers are jetbikes? They've been called that for years, even before they had a 40k scale mini.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The idea of an $80 book just to shift a few FOC slots around disgusts me.

I was going to correct you and say it's $50, but then I noticed the flag. I'm so sorry.

Even $50 is hard to justify.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The idea of an $80 book just to shift a few FOC slots around disgusts me.

I was going to correct you and say it's $50, but then I noticed the flag. I'm so sorry.

Even $50 is hard to justify.

youll get other rules...and lots of fluff.....ever buy a novel for 50bucks.....ME EITHER!!!

Anyone able to post the specific costs of Wraithlord equipment? Bright lances, Wraithsword/Ghostglaive stuff?

At 120 points base, if the weapons are consistently priced, this means I can get a Lord with 2 Bright lances and a wraithsword for ~135 points. Can anyone confirm this?

Also, any rules about vibrocannons, and if a unit of 3 hits at str 9 would be great

Is it confirmed that we can get two of the same weapon on the 'lords without them getting the twin-link treatment?

 Absolutionis wrote:
Even $50 is hard to justify.

For $40 I can get most of the 40K RPG books from FFG. They have more pages, better production values and certainly have fewer mistakes (not mistake free though - not even my own stuff is mistake free). I buy one of those and I feel I get a product that's worth having. Why am I paying double that for an army list written by people who's job it is to sell the new shiny before they make a balanced ruleset?