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 H.B.M.C. wrote:


Yeah. 30 Russes (technically 31 if you count the Bombard). 10-tank Artillery Company (including that Bombard). 12 Chimeras. 3 Hellhounds. 1 Stormblade. 1 Hellhammer. 2 Shadowswords. 3 Baneblades. 3 Macharii (one of each flavour). Then lots of other things like 6 Valks, 20 Sentinels, 400+ Infantry, and so on.

Wow HMBC. Where do you get the time/money/space to get all of that? You must be very comfortable financially!!

And.. I just convinced myself to pre order a Collectors with that breakdown.

 ceorron wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


Yeah. 30 Russes (technically 31 if you count the Bombard). 10-tank Artillery Company (including that Bombard). 12 Chimeras. 3 Hellhounds. 1 Stormblade. 1 Hellhammer. 2 Shadowswords. 3 Baneblades. 3 Macharii (one of each flavour). Then lots of other things like 6 Valks, 20 Sentinels, 400+ Infantry, and so on.

Wow HMBC. Where do you get the time/money/space to get all of that? You must be very comfortable financially!!

Either that or he's good at robbing stores!

Anyway, 95 quid for the Khorne mower. 95 quid. 95 quid...

95... you get the gist of what I'm saying. I'm so glad I bailed out of GW a while back.

This is the first release ive never even thought about buying anything, well, apart from the WD.
Edit: I predict many more to come. Thanks GW.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Collector's is already sold out in Oz. Wow.

Wait, they sold BOTH boxes?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

The nameless wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been brought up, but why weren't the Sisters invited to this fight?

The speculation is that since GW is no longer making metal models they'll either take them OOP or relaunch.
Not a good time to expect SoB materials.

... nor do they have a Codex in print. Maybe GW could offer a 100€ Sororitas Apocalypse box, consisting of 2 standard units
BTW has there ever been a good time to expect SoB material in the last 10 years?

Sidstyler wrote:I was looking at the templates and kinda laughed at the product description.
"These are an essential purchase for anyone who wants to play games of Apocalypse."
...which is of course why they're in extremely limited supply. Make sure you buy this "essential" now, or it's gone forever!

Yeah, that is quite revealing

The nameless wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been brought up, but why weren't the Sisters invited to this fight?

Templars weren't invited either, I call religious discrimination!

EDIT: Wow, looks like we were invited after all, but not under the "all formations" tab, but the Armageddon tab. Why make things clear when you can make them confusing, eh?

Well i'll be buying at least 2 of the Vaults and maybe 1 Obelisk depending on what it does as to me it just doesn't float my boat like the Vault does, naturally with the rulebook and probably the templates.

Turns out i'll already have the -
Infinite Phalanx a couple times over.
The War Council of Mandragora (when they are all painted otherwise i have stand ins i can use for now).
The Baleful Necropolis when i get a Vault as i somehow managed to gather around 10 Monoliths over the years.

Should be fun to see what these do whenever i can get a game.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

The nameless wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been brought up, but why weren't the Sisters invited to this fight?

Templars weren't invited either, I call religious discrimination!

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1090032a&prodId=prod2090141a

Dam I wanted to get 1 Baneblade and another Shadowsword but not a 170 Canadian. Any word at whether the previous separate boxes that are still in circulation will go up to the new kit's price?

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

The nameless wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been brought up, but why weren't the Sisters invited to this fight?

Templars weren't invited either, I call religious discrimination!

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1090032a&prodId=prod2090141a

Yup, realized when I checked through the Armageddon tab. Rather silly that the Sisters weren't included there TBH, they were there as well after all.

Those formations, just holy fething gak. Damn, so awesome.

 ceorron wrote:
Wow HMBC. Where do you get the time/money/space to get all of that? You must be very comfortable financially!!

It took me years to build it up to that level.

All I want to really know is if the old rule of Chaos being able to use Imperial formations as 'traitor' formations is still there.

Else I have a whole damn Traitor Battle Company for nothing.

anyone saying that sisters got screwed by not being included in the formation set up is missing a big point. If they actually put up a formation for sisters then the £1000 price tag for that battle board+forts will look reasonable!
When a standard SoB squad costs roughly £50 (for ten models), and a minimum heavy weapon squad costs £42.5 (for 5 models). Any type of formation near to any of the others would be ridiculously priced. For instance if you were to do an equivalent of the C:SM reserve company in SoB then it would run at £620ish.....compared to £360ish......

Im glad there arent any SoB formations because it would mean some poor fool would probably buy it at some point, and its just not worth it. Get on eBay and buy your SoB there like everyone else does.

Their latest video is a laugh-and-a-half. Goes to prove how every surface at GW is now a Realm of Battle. Can't even show off the new case on a fething table. Its gotto be a RoBB! I wonder if all the desks at GWHQ have been forcibly removed and replaced with RoBB's?

[EDIT]: Actually, everything about this [ulr=http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=9700060]new article[/url] is kinda hilarious. I mean the first line of the article shamelessly links to two big kits (Stompa and Wraithknight). Then there are gems like this:

GW wrote:In smaller games of Warhammer 40,000 you often find yourself torn between what units to include in your army. One of the great things about Apocalypse is that that dilemma will rarely come up as you can use anything you like. You could, for example field a Chaos Space Marine army backed up by Chaos Daemons, allied to a regiment of rebellious Imperial Guard and supported by a Khorne Lord of Skulls and a squadron of Baneblades. Or maybe a horde of Orks teamed up with Dark Eldar. The great thing is that there are no restrictions in Apocalypse.

They realise that the herp-a-derp allies chart from 6th basically removed a lot of those restrictions anyway? The main difference here is that Tyranid players can finally ally with things. And Sisters and Templar players can ally without the rulebook scolding them for it. That's about it.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
All I want to really know is if the old rule of Chaos being able to use Imperial formations as 'traitor' formations is still there.

NO! You're only allowed to use things that they explicitly sell as model kits. There is no Chaos Battle Company, therefore such a thing does not exist! Any attempt to use such a formation will result in a summary execution.

Gotta admit though the formations look delicious. Always wanted a death company group, just a shame ill prob never be able to get one.

Havent counted but is that all the formations then including heavies that are in the book?

They will do new formations every WD for a while so no need to panic regarding SOB's as sure they will get one.
Wonder if it has the blank sheets like the old one to create new formations or not.

So we are seeing a downside to the CHS case. But, it's fething apocalypse! You can make your own units and you're own data sheets. I don't think people are going to stop bringing their Warlords to apocalypse games if they aren't in this book.

I'm normally quite quick to cut GW some slack, but this is the first that I'm actually insulted at how stupid GW thinks I am.

"Here, buy a 'Stompa Mob'! You get no discount, and its exactly the same as increasing the quantity by one before you click 'add to cart' on a Stompa, but we need to set it as a separate entry in case you're too dumb to add something to your cart twice"

That moment when the GW design team had a BRILLANT idea for a model just after a full-drunk Power Rangers marathon.

I mean, really, WHAT THE FORK!

 SickSix wrote:
So we are seeing a downside to the CHS case. But, it's fething apocalypse! You can make your own units and you're own data sheets. I don't think people are going to stop bringing their Warlords to apocalypse games if they aren't in this book.

I know I intend to keep using my plague tower, too much time and money has gone into that for it to become scenery.

 Goliath wrote:
I'm normally quite quick to cut GW some slack, but this is the first that I'm actually insulted at how stupid GW thinks I am.

That was the thing about Apocalypse: There was a point to the bundles. The original Battle Company? Captain + Command Squad + 6 Tactical Squads + 2 Assault Squads + 2 Devastator Squads + 9 fething Rhinos (and a Razorback for fun!) for about AUD$800 (and about US$400-500). Now it's over AUD$1k, and there are no Rhinos, but a few Dreads thrown in. The Land Raider formation (that had 4 Land Raiders IIRC), basically came with a free Land Raider. The Dread Mob had 3 Deff Dreadz.

And so on.

Apocalypse was a runaway success for GW last time because there was an actual point to buying the formations. Now they're just the same price as always.

 Sigvatr wrote:


That moment when the GW design team had a BRILLANT idea for a model just after a full-drunk Power Rangers marathon.

I mean, really, WHAT THE FORK!

This is not a new idea...



They should have kept the bull head. In fact, I miss the bull headed Khornate demons. The 3rd ed bloodletters were gnarly.

HBMC - The best one for me was the old carnifex brood.
carnifex x3 for £50.

Nearly doubled in price now.



Also, this really does piss me off
They release a daemon engine for chaos, and daemons dont get it. (i know, allies and all that, but still)
I would have assumed that daemons got the daemon engines.




Edit:

They should have kept the bull head. In fact, I miss the bull headed Khornate demons. The 3rd ed bloodletters were gnarly.

You mean the large built, impressive looking beasts with the maines?
The ones that also carried the signature weapon of khorne?
You know, the ones that looked like a war daemon, as opposed to a pissed off, red skinned naomi campbell lookalike?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Apocalypse was a runaway success for GW last time because there was an actual point to buying the formations. Now they're just the same price as always.

And that's even more depressing, because it highlights just how utterly stupid the pricing has actually gotten. The old rapid insertion force with all the battlesuits was about $125 if I'm not mistaken...the battlesuits are pretty ugly models but being able to get literally an army's worth for that price, you can't really complain. The same fething models, years later, but with a riptide thrown in: over $300(!).

If there were any discounted Tau bundles I'd think about buying them, but I'm not going to bother if they're full price. I was holding out hope that the armored interdiction force would be back so I could grab two more hammerheads/sky rays and a devilfish at a good price, but at full retail I'd rather not. I'd rather do without or just buy one now and then, on the off chance I feel like pissing away $60 at the local store and there aren't any X-Wing models in stock. GW apparently doesn't realize that actual deals are what get us to spend our money...we all have big enough collections of unpainted models already sitting at home and budgets that are stretched too thin as it is, so you're not going to entice very many people with "We'll save you literally a whole minute of your time by just adding all this gak to your cart for you!"

 Jackal wrote:
I would have assumed that daemons got the daemon engines.

I'd have just assumed daemons were a part of the CSM army, since...they kinda always were. There was no reason to ever split them.

Well, I bought the Khornemower and the Dice of Dice. Dunno why. I guess I like dice.

I also bought a lot of plasticard. Chaos Knight, here I come. Might as well do a proper tower demon engine out of the leftovers too.

 scrunty wrote:
anyone saying that sisters got screwed by not being included in the formation set up is missing a big point. If they actually put up a formation for sisters then the £1000 price tag for that battle board+forts will look reasonable!
When a standard SoB squad costs roughly £50 (for ten models), and a minimum heavy weapon squad costs £42.5 (for 5 models). Any type of formation near to any of the others would be ridiculously priced. For instance if you were to do an equivalent of the C:SM reserve company in SoB then it would run at £620ish.....compared to £360ish......

A Black Templars 10-man troops choice with CCWs is £63 (!!) if you don't buy Assault Marines and convert them to foot marines by adding backpacks, in which case they're £49 without special or heavy weapons. Having a Sisters formation wouldn't be too outrageous IMO.

I also bought a lot of plasticard. Chaos Knight, here I come. Might as well do a proper tower demon engine out of the leftovers too.

Yeah, the legs shouldn't be hard to build and then the model is actually pretty cool. The thing holding me back isn't actually the prices, it's that the Apocalypse game is so incredibly bad I just can't see the point.

It's not a war game. It's something I played around 22 years ago when it was cool to just play with toys and make your own rules as you go. I'm just too old for a miniature purchasing competition where the gaming part is about deploying hundreds of non-uniform badly painted guys on the table, playing a couple random cards, throwing 200 dice and the other guy putting his little toys back into the bitz box.

This would have been the perfect chance to re-release the wulfen for space wolves.
Instead we get useless bundles and still no flyers. And i dont care about allies.

And why is it so hard to finally release SoB plastic miniatures?

Why releas more "sidegames" instead of all the miniatures we still need?

HamHamLunchbox wrote:
Why releas more "sidegames" instead of all the miniatures we still need?

Because the way GW sees it, there's 100 guys in the world who are interested in Sisters models, while there's potentially thousands of guys who'll buy some new edition of Space Crusade or HeroQuest.