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 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I see GW have changed their logo on their website from red/yellow to a greeny gunmetal colour and a skull (obviously).

Is that a limited think for Apoc or is it a permanent change?

They did the same thing when they released the 6th ed rulebook.

Almost as great as the new WD
Hate the bloody fold out pages to start with, more so when there are 2 together.
And its just filled with pure gak.
Nothing of interest atall unless you like the flying box or khornemower.

Just wait, we'll get word soon that the box and book set is sold out, Great News!

Well if nothing else the vortex grenade template is already gone, at least on the UK site, didn't expect it to go that quickly.

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
Well if nothing else the vortex grenade template is already gone, at least on the UK site, didn't expect it to go that quickly.

People wanted to participate in the Apoc release and it's the only thing most people can afford anymore!

People complain that GW doesn't copy WM and release rules for stuff in the boxes of said stuff. Games Workshop releases new stuff with rules in box. People complain that it isn't free.


Dakka's operating at normal capacity, I see.

On the topic of broken models being used for display, for a while now you've been able to spot blue tack holding on various parts on models being used in 360's and promotional pics. The Finecast Tau commander is one of them, and I remember being able to see the stuff on the back of the flying hive tyrant kit.

I kinda want the template, but now that I think about it $15 is a lot for that. I can't remember, wasn't the DE WWP $10 when it came out years ago?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
People complain that GW doesn't copy WM and release rules for stuff in the boxes of said stuff. Games Workshop releases new stuff with rules in box. People complain that it isn't free.


Dakka's operating at normal capacity, I see.

It's most likely not the same people doing the complaining, but feth, why let that get in the way of taking a good jab at people?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
People complain that GW doesn't copy WM and release rules for stuff in the boxes of said stuff. Games Workshop releases new stuff with rules in box. People complain that it isn't free.

Way to generalise bro.

 Goliath wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

 Goliath wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
How much was the Baneblade before it went up to £85?

And the Khornemower and others are £95.

I laughed. Sad. I thought the big monolith would be £50-60, silly me!

It was £60 when it was released back with the original Apocalypse, then went up to £70 at some point between now and then, and now they've bundled the extra stuff that came with the shadowsword/stormlord kit into it and bumped the price up to £85. Whilst the price at £70 was possibly a tad unreasonable, the amount of extra stuff you get for the extra £15 is well worth it I'd say (though that is coming from an Ork player who is planning on covering the entire thing in plasticard and cannibalising the extra gunz.)

So yeah, current price increase taken on its own is quite reasonable for the extras that you get, but the price it came from is slightly unreasonable.

Ah right, I remember paying £60 so it having increased by more than half that raises an eyebrow.

I think your maths is slightly dodgy there half of £60 is £30, so it would have to be more than £90 to have increased by more than half that

Of course, I think I was still reeling from the £95 on the other kits.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
People complain that GW doesn't copy WM and release rules for stuff in the boxes of said stuff. Games Workshop releases new stuff with rules in box. People complain that it isn't free.

Way to generalise bro.

The odd part about that statement is that it could be said that WM actually copied GW. GW used to release rules in datafaxes with the boxed sets you buy.

I count about 80 "1 click" formations on GW website + 15 for Armageddon formations. So, depending on whether the Armageddon ones are included or separate from the "more than 100" the blurb talks about, there is still room for some Forgeworld formations. And from WDD:

There are other formations in the Apocalypse Rulebook, such as Titans, that can be found on the Forge World website. I'll be taking a closer look at the Apocalypse rulebook on Monday, where I'll explain more of the rules that make Apocalypse such a unique experience, including the Finest Hour, Unnatural Disasters and Divine Intervention.

Guys.

I have done a bad thing. Or a good thing. I just placed an order for the Gamers' Edition.

Oh, and the Dice of Dice, too.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
All I want to really know is if the old rule of Chaos being able to use Imperial formations as 'traitor' formations is still there.

Else I have a whole damn Traitor Battle Company for nothing.

Nowhere near a Battle Company, but this, as I play CSM and now have 2 Baneblades (and would consider a 3rd if I could use the Steel Fury formation).

Apocalypse means you can take anything, doesn't it? It certainly used to, and some of the wording on the GW site implided you could.

FOC is out the window, but formations are still by army. The old book specifically allowed chaos to use any imperial formations.

At least this is how I understood it, although I must admit to very limited experience with Apoc.


edited to add clarification


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Guess it will also depend on how the allies system works in the new book.

 Goliath wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
How much was the Baneblade before it went up to £85?

And the Khornemower and others are £95.

I laughed. Sad. I thought the big monolith would be £50-60, silly me!

It was £60 when it was released back with the original Apocalypse, then went up to £70 at some point between now and then, and now they've bundled the extra stuff that came with the shadowsword/stormlord kit into it and bumped the price up to £85. Whilst the price at £70 was possibly a tad unreasonable, the amount of extra stuff you get for the extra £15 is well worth it I'd say (though that is coming from an Ork player who is planning on covering the entire thing in plasticard and cannibalising the extra gunz.)

So yeah, current price increase taken on its own is quite reasonable for the extras that you get, but the price it came from is slightly unreasonable.

Yes ... but you can still make only the one vehicle from it? I'm sure most people would rather you just had a choice of 3 different boxes at the £70 (which was already ridiculous), and you can choose the tank you would like?

I'm happy.
Just bought the WD mag ordered the normal book and a set of templates.
Went to my flgs got a standard discount and it cost me £50 and i'll be getting on the day of release..
If it doesn't get revised for as long as the old version did then i'm very happy.
That book must've clocked up well over 300hrs of gaming.
If this is the same, and I see no reason why it shouldn't be, i'll get 17p per hour out of it.
Gonna be painting extra stuff up like a mad thing over the next two weeks.

I'm fine.

 Alex Kolodotschko wrote:
I'm happy.
Just bought the WD mag ordered the normal book and a set of templates.
Went to my flgs got a standard discount and it cost me £50 and i'll be getting on the day of release..
If it doesn't get revised for as long as the old version did then i'm very happy.
That book must've clocked up well over 300hrs of gaming.
If this is the same, and I see no reason why it shouldn't be, i'll get 17p per hour out of it.
Gonna be painting extra stuff up like a mad thing over the next two weeks.

I'm fine.

OT: Which FLGS is that?

UltraPrime wrote:

 Alex Kolodotschko wrote:
I'm happy.
Just bought the WD mag ordered the normal book and a set of templates.
Went to my flgs got a standard discount and it cost me £50 and i'll be getting on the day of release..
If it doesn't get revised for as long as the old version did then i'm very happy.
That book must've clocked up well over 300hrs of gaming.
If this is the same, and I see no reason why it shouldn't be, i'll get 17p per hour out of it.
Gonna be painting extra stuff up like a mad thing over the next two weeks.

I'm fine.

OT: Which FLGS is that?

I too am interested... Taunton's not too far from Bristol after all...
Back OT; Was incredulous when I found out they're sticking with this inane 'One Click Collection' nonsense. The old release did so well for them it makes me wonder who the gak they've hired this time round... As for making it easier for non-gamers (Parents and the like) to order without the risk of getting the wrong thing, I'm sure GW used to have 'gift lists' or somesuch. I know they have wish lists now that the hobbiest/gamer can add to, guessing that's replaced it?

am I correct in assuming the one click apoc collections offer no cost savings?

 ironicsilence wrote:
am I correct in assuming the one click apoc collections offer no cost savings?

Yup. If I'm not wrong they're also Pre-Orders, which is a little silly considering that you can just buy them separately for the same cost and earlier delivery. Not that you'd want to do that, of course, when you can get 20% off it from elsewhere...

You would be correct, unfortunately. So there is literally no difference between ordering a One Click Collection of a Karnage Swadron (3 Ork Bommers) and simply going to the Bomma's original page and entering '3' into the quantity box. Except maybe, maybe, a few seconds. That's it. No discount at all, unlike the original Apoc release where you could get 3 Carnifexes for £50, effectively getting a whole Carnifex free (They were £25 each at the time).

@ Sandyman/Ultraprime-
'Vanguard Wargaming' in Hotwells Bristol.
It's the best place to go now that 'Cut and Thrust' has gone.

I like how there are Rough Riders on the cover, could that be a hint maybe?

 ironicsilence wrote:
am I correct in assuming the one click apoc collections offer no cost savings?

Always assume the worst

http://pinsofwar.com/sneaky-apocalypse-pricing/

 Zweischneid wrote:

 ironicsilence wrote:
am I correct in assuming the one click apoc collections offer no cost savings?

Always assume the worst

http://pinsofwar.com/sneaky-apocalypse-pricing/

This is great news!!

Right.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 ironicsilence wrote:
am I correct in assuming the one click apoc collections offer no cost savings?

Always assume the worst

http://pinsofwar.com/sneaky-apocalypse-pricing/

Epic.

Glad I bought a Baneblade before they hiked up the price. After taxes it works out at a nice fat $195.50 and the Tesseract Arc which I really wanted is $218. Also the fact that there are no nice discounted bundles really does it for me, where is the incentive to buy heaps of plastic now?

And $30 characters, that's just not cool...

It's strange actually. I checked the US and AU prices to compare prices and all the larger kits are hugely more expensive than both other countries yet you poor aussies have to pay almost $40 for those bland SM characters, horrific!

I do love the new scenery though, it's just a shame that the actual terrain sections are littered with Cadians which really puts me off.

All in all a pretty sucky "release"! All it does for me is ensure I finish painting what GW stuff I have left before even considering buying anything else.

218 Canadian is 55 pounds?

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/NECRON_TESSERACT_ARK.html

 Commander Cain wrote:
Also the fact that there are no nice discounted bundles really does it for me, where is the incentive to buy heaps of plastic now?

What do you mean? GW is allowing you to participate in your favorite hobby: buying their products. What more incentive could one want?!