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 kerikhaos wrote:
Ok do I need to know the difference between the 3 land raider models ? Standard, redeemer and crusader and what's better and why??

It's something worth knowing.

The standard Land Raider (Or Godhammer. Or Phobos. All are the same) comes with a 12(or 10?) man transport capacity, two TL Lascannons and a TL Heavy Bolter.

The Crusader Pattern Land Raider comes with two Hurricane Bolters and a Twin Linked Assault Cannon. It has a 16 man transport capacity.

The Land Raider Redeemer has two Flamestorm Cannons and a TL Assault Cannon. I think it has a 12 man transport capacity, but I could be wrong.

Basically, one for lasers, one for carrying more mans, one for throwing fire and mans at people.

 liquidjoshi wrote:

 kerikhaos wrote:
Ok do I need to know the difference between the 3 land raider models ? Standard, redeemer and crusader and what's better and why??

It's something worth knowing.

The standard Land Raider (Or Godhammer. Or Phobos. All are the same) comes with a 12(or 10?) man transport capacity, two TL Lascannons and a TL Heavy Bolter.

The Crusader Pattern Land Raider comes with two Hurricane Bolters and a Twin Linked Assault Cannon. It has a 16 man transport capacity.

The Land Raider Redeemer has two Flamestorm Cannons and a TL Assault Cannon. I think it has a 12 man transport capacity, but I could be wrong.

Basically, one for lasers, one for carrying more mans, one for throwing fire and mans at people.

Thanks, in the past I've heard redeemers are more the preferred choice but I will need to read more why that is

 kerikhaos wrote:
Ok do I need to know the difference between the 3 land raider models ? Standard, redeemer and crusader and what's better and why??

Each land raider has it's purpose.

The standard one can deliver troops into close combat while taking out other vehicles (you could potentially move toward a transport, unload your cc unit, destroy the transport with your lascannons, then assault the unit that falls out).

I'm not so sure about the Redeemer. It's flamestorm cannons are beast at killing power armour in cover. And it has the extra transport space. It would be ideal for dislodging marines from objectives in cover. An assault terminator unit with a terminator chaplain or a librarian will fit nicely. That combo could clear out several squads at once.

The crusader is my personal favourite. It can fire a lot of shots and doesn't have to get that close to take out piles of infantry. Also, it can carry 16 men. So you can build crazy uber units and fit them all in. 15 blood claws and a chaplain? No worries. 6 terminators, a rune priest and Logan Grimnar? That'll fit too. Your opponent will probably do everything they can to destroy it, but that's a good thing. That means they're not destroying your other stuff, and land raiders tend to take quite a lot to destroy. By the time it is finally wrecked, it's probably done its job several items over. Just look out for lance weapons and haywire grenades. They'll take out a land raider quick smart.

 Kavish wrote:

 kerikhaos wrote:
Ok do I need to know the difference between the 3 land raider models ? Standard, redeemer and crusader and what's better and why??

Each land raider has it's purpose.

The standard one can deliver troops into close combat while taking out other vehicles (you could potentially move toward a transport, unload your cc unit, destroy the transport with your lascannons, then assault the unit that falls out).

I'm not so sure about the Redeemer. It's flamestorm cannons are beast at killing power armour in cover. And it has the extra transport space. It would be ideal for dislodging marines from objectives in cover. An assault terminator unit with a terminator chaplain or a librarian will fit nicely. That combo could clear out several squads at once.

The crusader is my personal favourite. It can fire a lot of shots and doesn't have to get that close to take out piles of infantry. Also, it can carry 16 men. So you can build crazy uber units and fit them all in. 15 blood claws and a chaplain? No worries. 6 terminators, a rune priest and Logan Grimnar? That'll fit too. Your opponent will probably do everything they can to destroy it, but that's a good thing. That means they're not destroying your other stuff, and land raiders tend to take quite a lot to destroy. By the time it is finally wrecked, it's probably done its job several items over. Just look out for lance weapons and haywire grenades. They'll take out a land raider quick smart.

nicely described I will need to think long and hard about which one will be best used by me.

Just to amend my post - are there any upgrades for these raiders about? I think there was a forge world one where it provides 4x sets of weapons on the sides. 2x twin linked laz cannons on either side. My questions are what is the upgrade called, cost of the upgrade and the change of cost points to the army. Lastly does the upgrade make it better not just apocalypse battles?

To my knowledge, redeemers and crusaders can take a pintle multi melta, as well as the usual upgrades. Forgeworld produce several other varients, such ss the Achilles (lance and melta immune, with two Tl'd multi melta sponsons and a Thunderfire cannon), Prometheus (three Tl'd Heavy Bolters), as well as a variant with a Whirlwind Launcher of sorts. There's a few more, but I can't remember them right now. Lexicanum likely has information about them.

 liquidjoshi wrote:
To my knowledge, redeemers and crusaders can take a pintle multi melta, as well as the usual upgrades. Forgeworld produce several other varients, such ss the Achilles (lance and melta immune, with two Tl'd multi melta sponsons and a Thunderfire cannon), Prometheus (three Tl'd Heavy Bolters), as well as a variant with a Whirlwind Launcher of sorts. There's a few more, but I can't remember them right now. Lexicanum likely has information about them.

Thanks for that. Will go and do some research

 liquidjoshi wrote:
To my knowledge, redeemers and crusaders can take a pintle multi melta, as well as the usual upgrades. Forgeworld produce several other varients, such ss the Achilles (lance and melta immune, with two Tl'd multi melta sponsons and a Thunderfire cannon), Prometheus (three Tl'd Heavy Bolters), as well as a variant with a Whirlwind Launcher of sorts. There's a few more, but I can't remember them right now. Lexicanum likely has information about them.

Standard Land Raiders can also take pintle meltas.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 liquidjoshi wrote:
To my knowledge, redeemers and crusaders can take a pintle multi melta, as well as the usual upgrades. Forgeworld produce several other varients, such ss the Achilles (lance and melta immune, with two Tl'd multi melta sponsons and a Thunderfire cannon), Prometheus (three Tl'd Heavy Bolters), as well as a variant with a Whirlwind Launcher of sorts. There's a few more, but I can't remember them right now. Lexicanum likely has information about them.

Standard Land Raiders can also take pintle meltas.

Nice, even if it's not as useful as it is on other variants.

I love me some landspeeders. Their look and concept, to my eyes, are awesome. I remember having the toy of Luke's speeder from Star Wars and loving it very much too. Guess it's a childhood nostalgia thing maybe?

I'd sell my car and wife to own a real landspeeder though.

Just kidding honey...

Plywood_Slayer wrote:
I love me some landspeeders. Their look and concept, to my eyes, are awesome. I remember having the toy of Luke's speeder from Star Wars and loving it very much too. Guess it's a childhood nostalgia thing maybe?

I'd sell my car and wife to own a real landspeeder though.

Just kidding honey...

Haha nicely finished

Oh, the humble Land Speeders, how I love them!
Seriously, they are a great concept, a shame that they pretty much suck on field... :/

I own two of them and once used them in every game.
Hmm... I might blow the dust off of them and give them a shot!

Does it also make a difference on who is riding them for there to be a change in effectiveness?

 kerikhaos wrote:
Does it also make a difference on who is riding them for there to be a change in effectiveness?

Is that for Raiders or Speeders? Although the answer to both is yes, Speeders can only carry scouts (and it has to be a Land Speeder Storm).

 kerikhaos wrote:
So he no longer exists in the game because he's dead or lost in warp?


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Ok I give up. It seems abaddon with all 4 god blessings can't be beaten one on one with anyone character from the imperium. Unfortunately anyone who can get a chance wouldn't be human and the only chance that the humans would have would be bolt him him to death with like a load of distance shooters non stop or blasts from a something like a land raider. Seems chaos has a character with more or less the same strengths of what a pre herecy prim arch would have.

So there you have it one to one forget it with abaddon it's not going to happen

Actually if you saw the stats for the primarchs, Abbadon would get pasted by every single one of them.


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Any ways back on topic:

Love the looks of the new Sternguard, might kitbash them into honor guard (and captain titus is in the box too).

Love Vulkans fluff, and the fact that Trollzyn failed to snatch his spear, twice!

I like my Storm Talons, cheap and effective at both Anti-Air and ground.

 ace101 wrote:

 kerikhaos wrote:
So he no longer exists in the game because he's dead or lost in warp?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ok I give up. It seems abaddon with all 4 god blessings can't be beaten one on one with anyone character from the imperium. Unfortunately anyone who can get a chance wouldn't be human and the only chance that the humans would have would be bolt him him to death with like a load of distance shooters non stop or blasts from a something like a land raider. Seems chaos has a character with more or less the same strengths of what a pre herecy prim arch would have.

So there you have it one to one forget it with abaddon it's not going to happen

Actually if you saw the stats for the primarchs, Abbadon would get pasted by every single one of them.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Any ways back on topic:

Love the looks of the new Sternguard, might kitbash them into honor guard (and captain titus is in the box too).

Love Vulkans fluff, and the fact that Trollzyn failed to snatch his spear, twice!

I like my Storm Talons, cheap and effective at both Anti-Air and ground.

keep us posted with your progress on that project. I have yet to open my sternguard pack up but will be cool to check out other peoples sterns, honor and vanguards