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how did the TFC have a 2+ cover?

 ansacs wrote:
Great games so far. Jim you just went and tanked all these poor people chances at top 8. Great job.

Lookin forward to the continuation and thanks for the batreps as always.

There's so many good players at this tournament that it's hard not to run into them the deeper you get into the tournament, though I must say that getting to face Lyzz in round #2 was a real treat.

Enron wrote:
Quick question:

How did your opponent have the str5 hammer of wrath CT and also have the hit and run CT. Arn't you only able to take one chapter trait per chapter per detachment?

Don't have my Marine codex with me, but I believe you get all of the Chapter traits.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
That 3rd game was intense, those bikers almost had you J

Yeah. Dan played really well and I just wasn't familiar enough with White Scars tactics to formulate a good game plan against them.

 Captn Dees wrote:
It was a great game, and we both played really well.

My one mistake was being too greedy at the beginning, and then a bit unlucky in failing that LD. That first blood was basically the decider, but there was no guarantee I would have gotten that point anyway.

AND if I recall the game actually went on too, another turn or maybe even two (too much beer that whole weekend to remember details). However it was basically a slap fight that worked in my favor to hold that relic.

So while I had some bad luck I had some good luck to claw out some points to keep me in the running for the finals.

Jy2 is slowly become my arch nemesis it would seem.

Thanks Dan.

This game was sort of a reversal of my Game #2 against Lyzz. In that game, she wasn't familiar with my army, which led to my win against her. In our game, I just wasn't familiar enough with the new White Scars and almost lost because of that. If your dice was slightly better (no, not better but slightly more average), you might have won this one. In any case, I under-estimated your army and tactics in this game.

Yeah, the game actually went on to T6 but since I didn't take a lot of pictures near the end, my memory was a little off. Basically, the game ended with neither of us able to kill each other off in assault. More importantly, it ended with me not being able to kill off your Attack bike with the Relic.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
how did the TFC have a 2+ cover?

I think it was usually a 3+ cover (bolstered ruin) aside a turn of night fight if I recall. At some point I think I had to make some 2+ techmarine armor saves too, but it was just volume of fire that brought the one down.

Also this was a rematch of sorts from two years ago at Golden Throne in 2012. I had taken the bikes back then and he had beaten me in another close game with the Necrons. That was really my first Wraithwing game and it took be by surprise then. I remember us talking about it afterward and us going how what actually kills wraiths best is just lots of Bolter fire. It just turns out that the new CT makes them able to do that a lot more often usually.

So I had a solid plan, it just didn't materialize which happens. Even if I had gotten through the Wraiths a bit better there is no guarantee I win that game as you still had lots of scoring and the like running around at the end (between troops and heavies).

Plus Jy2 can really capitalize on mistakes, so it seems any error you make you'll be made to pay!

 dantay_xv wrote:
Great reports and the cooler, a very funny miniwargaming.com reference... very good !! Keep it going, still learning ans still enjoying

I would love to see you use Space Wolves sometime, beesides the Land Raider list you did...Any chance of that happening soon or if/when the new codex comes out?

Must be pure coincidence as I didn't know about the miniwargaming reference.

Yeah, I'll bring back my TAC Space Wolves one of these days. I think that they've still got what it takes to do well in competitive play.

 SwistakCZC wrote:
Very fine report. It was tight match. White scars aint the easiest opponents for wraithwing

Moreover if you dont know this army you may fall in some traps, but it is general rule for every army

I have small hint you if you dont know this army- watch out for even more menacing form of bikers army I mean WS allied with DA Theyre specialised in killing wraithwing in my opinion. They own much more dangerous shooting (plasma talons combined with rad granade= obvious instanting our wraiths), divination from da libby and also white scars may have some tricks for better close combat e.g. land speeder storm (which causes blind on wraiths- much more easier to kill them in assault that way).

White Scars are much better than I had thought. I completely under-estimated them in this game. Now I can see why they are a top-tier army. I honestly didn't expect to have as much trouble as I did in this game.

But don't get me wrong. I still think my wraithwing necrons are a bad matchup for them, and now with some experience under my belt, you can bet next time I play against them, I will expect to thoroughly dominate them (please Dice Gods...don't make me eat my words).

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
how did the TFC have a 2+ cover?

Sorry, allow me to clarify.

1. Ruins....4+.
2. Bolster ruins from techmarine....3+.
3. Big Gun mysterious objective +1 cover to 1 scoring unit....2+.




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 Captn Dees wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
how did the TFC have a 2+ cover?

I think it was usually a 3+ cover (bolstered ruin) aside a turn of night fight if I recall. At some point I think I had to make some 2+ techmarine armor saves too, but it was just volume of fire that brought the one down.

Also this was a rematch of sorts from two years ago at Golden Throne in 2012. I had taken the bikes back then and he had beaten me in another close game with the Necrons. That was really my first Wraithwing game and it took be by surprise then. I remember us talking about it afterward and us going how what actually kills wraiths best is just lots of Bolter fire. It just turns out that the new CT makes them able to do that a lot more often usually.

So I had a solid plan, it just didn't materialize which happens. Even if I had gotten through the Wraiths a bit better there is no guarantee I win that game as you still had lots of scoring and the like running around at the end (between troops and heavies).

Plus Jy2 can really capitalize on mistakes, so it seems any error you make you'll be made to pay!

Lol. I was hoping on T2 that you would back up and shoot at my wraiths some more. I even tried to persuade you to do so and I think you almost did....if only my wraiths weren't so close to your TFC's (about 17-18" away). I knew I shouldn't have ran my wraiths!

Anyways, it's a good thing you played them aggressively, otherwise that would have been a big mistake and I was getting ready to make you pay for it with a crapload of tesla shooting next turn.

In any case, very well played Dan. Your bikers are indeed formidable.

 jy2 wrote:

3. Big Gun mysterious objective +1 cover to 1 scoring unit....2+.

Ah yep, forgot about that one guy could claim that thing too.

Also just remembering my own orbital bombardment scatter on my own guys killing one. There was a reason I had the DA libby on a bike added at the Feast of Blades Open (Prescience and Fearless)!

Good times... good times...

*Face Palm" I was running a similiar List....... I forgot the Techmarine had bolster defenses......

Great battle there I can't complain about any moves either player made. I do like the idea of allying in DA with WS I think that that could make for a pretty lethal combo. Good job to both players!

The primary and secondary are both worth 4 points? I thought primary was 4, secondary was 3, and 3 points for warlord, first blood, linebreaker for a total of 10. You should of tied, no?

Agtthot wrote:
The primary and secondary are both worth 4 points? I thought primary was 4, secondary was 3, and 3 points for warlord, first blood, linebreaker for a total of 10. You should of tied, no?

I got Secondary + First Blood + Warlord + Linebreaker = 3 + 1 + 1 +1 = 6.

He got Primary + Warlord = 4 + 1 = 5.

 jy2 wrote:

Agtthot wrote:
The primary and secondary are both worth 4 points? I thought primary was 4, secondary was 3, and 3 points for warlord, first blood, linebreaker for a total of 10. You should of tied, no?

I got Secondary + First Blood + Warlord + Linebreaker = 3 + 1 + 1 +1 = 6.

He got Primary + Warlord = 4 + 1 = 5.

Ah, I see now. I read 4pts for secondary and missed linebreaker.

That was one hell of a game. Well played on both sides !

See someone mentioned white scars and DA's above, currently running a white scars with two CM's, 8 grav guns, lot of bikers and to top it off, 10 black knights with 2 nade launchers. Played necrons with 15 wraiths and mini spyder star, rad nades and plasma talons (and krak nades! LOL) insta killing wraiths, rad nades and orbital bombardents insta killing spyders, it wasnt pretty..... Lacks AA though (will try the stalker out soon). Add in hit and run and the the fact it is troop heavy, it is a quite good army....

Nice report, Jim! Going into this tournament, I had also had absolutely zero experience against White Scars. Kind of a steep learning curve, especially when great players are playing them. Well done on adapting and finding a way to win this one though - it was much closer than I thought it would be after the first couple turns. Best kind of game

The White scars guy looks like the pilot from Firefly.

MarkyMark wrote:
See someone mentioned white scars and DA's above, currently running a white scars with two CM's, 8 grav guns, lot of bikers and to top it off, 10 black knights with 2 nade launchers. Played necrons with 15 wraiths and mini spyder star, rad nades and plasma talons (and krak nades! LOL) insta killing wraiths, rad nades and orbital bombardents insta killing spyders, it wasnt pretty..... Lacks AA though (will try the stalker out soon). Add in hit and run and the the fact it is troop heavy, it is a quite good army....

Yup thats why I do think that its not so easy to win for wraithwing Pure WS have not very efficient thunder cannon. Libby with dvination with command sqaud armed with plasma talons and rad nades can really make a difference. Land speeder storm is dangerous too indeed blinded wraiths dont fight well trust me I recommend to test it, it can be amazing, sincerely.

Lack of AA is really a problem, but being in close combat limits firepower. You as WS/DA player can bring hunter/stalker and/or storm talons, if you dont have to go first you are able to damage flyers and control necron troops better. Even 5 plasma talons on command squad can be devastating on rapid fire, since theyre tl.

Nevertheless Jy played it well and if he had known this army better he would win. So I dont think its hopeless matchup like broadside&rapetide taudar, but not easy too.

 y0disisray wrote:
Great battle there I can't complain about any moves either player made. I do like the idea of allying in DA with WS I think that that could make for a pretty lethal combo. Good job to both players!

DA or Space Wolves would both make for great allies with WS.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
That was one hell of a game. Well played on both sides !

Thanks!

MarkyMark wrote:
See someone mentioned white scars and DA's above, currently running a white scars with two CM's, 8 grav guns, lot of bikers and to top it off, 10 black knights with 2 nade launchers. Played necrons with 15 wraiths and mini spyder star, rad nades and plasma talons (and krak nades! LOL) insta killing wraiths, rad nades and orbital bombardents insta killing spyders, it wasnt pretty..... Lacks AA though (will try the stalker out soon). Add in hit and run and the the fact it is troop heavy, it is a quite good army....

That combo can and will definitely catch many people by surprise. But once they become aware of it, I don't think it is as bad. The trade-off is less bodies and less grav guns. That means this type of army will probably struggle against many Eldar and Tau builds. But I could be wrong as I've never faced such an army before. With the migration from most DA biker armies to White Scars, I'm assuming that WS is the better, more balanced biker build.

 Xaereth wrote:
Nice report, Jim! Going into this tournament, I had also had absolutely zero experience against White Scars. Kind of a steep learning curve, especially when great players are playing them. Well done on adapting and finding a way to win this one though - it was much closer than I thought it would be after the first couple turns. Best kind of game

Thanks! And congrats on your 6-5 win game #3 against Pajamapants as well. The level of competition at the LVO is pretty stiff. Both of us into game #3 and we're both already playing against GT winners. And to think that there was potentially another 5 games to go!

I knew they could H-&-R out of combat, but the combination as well as effectiveness of the shooting, assaulting, getting out and doing it all over again all game definitely caught me by surprise. The only thing I regret was not rolling a lot more rends in combat. LOL!!!

 Mythra wrote:
The White scars guy looks like the pilot from Firefly.

You mean this guy?


The resemblance is so uncanny that, had I not known better, would have mistaken them for twins! Haha....j.k.

 SwistakCZC wrote:

MarkyMark wrote:
See someone mentioned white scars and DA's above, currently running a white scars with two CM's, 8 grav guns, lot of bikers and to top it off, 10 black knights with 2 nade launchers. Played necrons with 15 wraiths and mini spyder star, rad nades and plasma talons (and krak nades! LOL) insta killing wraiths, rad nades and orbital bombardents insta killing spyders, it wasnt pretty..... Lacks AA though (will try the stalker out soon). Add in hit and run and the the fact it is troop heavy, it is a quite good army....

Yup thats why I do think that its not so easy to win for wraithwing Pure WS have not very efficient thunder cannon. Libby with dvination with command sqaud armed with plasma talons and rad nades can really make a difference. Land speeder storm is dangerous too indeed blinded wraiths dont fight well trust me I recommend to test it, it can be amazing, sincerely.

Lack of AA is really a problem, but being in close combat limits firepower. You as WS/DA player can bring hunter/stalker and/or storm talons, if you dont have to go first you are able to damage flyers and control necron troops better. Even 5 plasma talons on command squad can be devastating on rapid fire, since theyre tl.

Nevertheless Jy played it well and if he had known this army better he would win. So I dont think its hopeless matchup like broadside&rapetide taudar, but not easy too.

While that army may be better at killing my wraiths, honestly, I think my army would have done better against it and I'll tell you why. With the threat of my wraiths insta-dying, I'd have played a lot more conservatively against that type of army. That means I'd have held my wraiths back more and rely more on my firepower. Teslas are a powerful weapon against the more Elitist armies and I'm betting a DA/WS combo would probably have less bodies than a WS army. But that's just my theoryhammer. I could be completely wrong. Lol.

Nope wrong guy from Firefly, Mythra was meaning the character "Wash" who was the pilot of Firefly.
"Mal" was the Captain.



Wash playing WHFB

This is wash with series/movie wife played by Zoe Saldana

Game #4 vs Pure Necrons


It's Day #2 and it's a good thing the tournament doesn't start until 12 noon. In the morning time, my roommate and I decided to take a stroll along the strip. So while walking, I see these frozen drinks (pictured above) that looked absolutely delicious. I decided to give one a try (we both did). After all, we were in Vegas and I had to try out a little of the "local" flavors that you won't really find anywhere else (at least not in Cali). Now I knew there was some alcohol in it. I just didn't know how strong. My roommate told me there was something called Everclear in there, whatever that was. Should've figured it out when he only bought a drink half the size of mine. Haha. So I'm a pretty small dude and I hadn't eaten anything at all all morning. By the time we got back to the tournament, we were both pretty wasted already (at least I was). Ok, NOW I'm ready to play.


1750 Pure Necrons (My list)

Destroyer Lord - 2+, Mindshackle Scarabs, ResOrb - Move Through Cover 12"
Destroyer Lord - 2+, Mindshackle Scarabs, ResOrb

5x Immortals - Gauss Blasters, Night Scythe
5x Immortals - Gauss Blasters, Night Scythe
5x Warriors - Night Scythe

6x Canoptek Wraiths
5x Canoptek Wraiths
5x Canoptek Wraiths

Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge



1750 Necrons


My opponent for the game, Justin C., was from San Diego. Now I've heard from Reece, who used to live in San Diego, that the players there are very good. I later talked to Justin before the game about his crons and he told me he was one of the better necron players down there in SD. Such modesty. I, of course, don't hold back with modesty, especially with so much of that good drink inside of me, and told him that he was about the face the best Necron player in the whole wide world! HAHAHAHA....I kid, of course, but even in my state, I could tell that, despite my dulled senses, I can't really take Justin's crons lightly. We're both 3-0 and he's got to be really good to make it here thus far.

I was also feeling slightly depressed. I actually didn't want to be the one to knock out another Necron player from the running. Instead I was hoping to keep my streak of playing another GT winner alive - either Nick Rose's hybrid Eldar (Darkwynn, many GT's) or Justin Cook's Ovesa-star (thanatos67, Nova 2013). I was also hoping to get paired up against Adam's (Xaereth's) Beaststar Deldar. Instead, I get Necrons. Not to knock on Justin, who was a very nice guy, but I really didn't want to fight against a mirror-match. I prefered to beat up on Tau or Eldar, which I haven't faced thus far in this tournament. But what's done is done. My feelings of depression was but for a flickering moment. Now my killer instincts are back on and I will show no mercy to whoever gets in my way. Necrons, prepare for annihilation!


Destroyer Lord - 2+, Mindshackle Scarabs - Counter-attack in own deployment.

10x Immortals - Tesla
Night Scythe
10x Immortals - Tesla
Night Scythe
10x Immortals - Tesla
Night Scythe

4x Scarabs
6x Wraiths - 2x Whip Coils
6x Wraiths - 1x Whip Coil

Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge


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Mission: Bay Area Open

Primary - Crusade, 4-pts

Secondary - Emperor's Will, 3-pts

Bonuses - First Blood, Linebreaker, Slay the Warlord, 1-pt each


Deployment: Dawn of War


Initiative: Necrons


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PRE-GAME THOUGHTS:

This is going to be an interesting matchup. Justin's army is more troop-centric with 30 resilient Immortals. My army is more offensive-minded with 2 Destroyer Lords and more wraiths. So my wraiths outnumber his wraiths and I've got 2 D-lords to his 1. I should win that battle. However, he's got much better shooting support than me, so he's much more likely to wear down my wraiths before we both even get into the inevitable combat that was written in the stars. If he can somehow neutralize my numbers advantage with his shooting, I'm going to have a much harder time trying to shift his 30 troops off of their objectives than he will have of taking my 15 troops off of mine. It's almost a coin flip as to who may come out the victor. No, I take that back. It's not a coin flip. Whoever is going 2nd has a huge advantage in this game and I am happy to say that Necrons will be going 2nd in this game.


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Deployment:




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Justin-crons 1




Jy-crons 1




Justin-crons 2




Jy-crons 2




Justin-crons 3




Jy-crons 3




Justin-crons 4




Jy-crons 4




Justin-crons 5




Jy-crons 5




Justin-crons 6




Jy-crons 6

It was good deployment, tricky. He can hide immo back on scythes but on the other hand he can put a lot of additional shots on your wraiths, statistically 3 wraiths down a turn with 24" range, immortals may work as bubble wrap or may even assault with the rest of wraiths, they provide many options (but of course typical build is more powerful in my opinion). Im waiting for next rounds uploaded

Yeah Wash or Noah the Dentist on Suburgatory.

Game #4 completed.

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa go jy2.

Nicely done, it looked pretty tight right up till the end there, Am I right in thinking that you kept your troops in the flyers to help keep them alive for te endgame allowing you to take the objectives whereas Justin did the opposite and ultimately allowed you to concentrate on killing his off, even at the risk of losing flyers in turn 4?

Another good battle report, thanks for sharing with us

 patrickekirby wrote:
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa go jy2.

Thanks!

 dantay_xv wrote:
Nicely done, it looked pretty tight right up till the end there, Am I right in thinking that you kept your troops in the flyers to help keep them alive for te endgame allowing you to take the objectives whereas Justin did the opposite and ultimately allowed you to concentrate on killing his off, even at the risk of losing flyers in turn 4?

Another good battle report, thanks for sharing with us

Keeping your troops in flyers for the last-turn objective grab is a very common Necron tactic. After all, they are the only army that can do it and do it accurately. That is why Justin's deployment threw me off. Very seldomly do necron players deploy their troops on the table, especially when they've got flyers for transports.

But in Justin's case, it was the right choice. Otherwise, he'd be playing at a huge disadvantage without their firepower to start off with. His strategy was this. Deploy and shoot at my wraiths Turn 1. My wraiths then moved forwards and he gets another shot at them again. That's 2 turns of shooting I would have to endure against his army.

But I reacted and counter-deployed against his army - deploying out of range (and LOS) of most of his immortals to deny him his Turn 1 shooting. Yeah, I would have much further to travel, but by counter-deploying, I actually negated his shooting advantage. On Turn 1, he couldn't shoot with them. Then on Turn 2, his shooting was minimal and we went straight to assault when his wraiths assaulted mine. After that, his immortals really had no targets. Basically, I did to Justin's army what my Game #3 opponent, Dan, did to my army.

well played, tbh the opponents army was well painted.

Really good game there I thought it was going to end a lot closer than what it did. It was sad to see kind of somewhat of a mirror match in only Round 4 but it is what it is.

Super cool game, good to see that you were able to pull through after the opponent made so many good rolls.

Great game!

 Mythra wrote:
The White scars guy looks like the pilot from Firefly.

I usually get the "look like Anthony Michael Hall" then anything else. Even as we both got older we still look a lot alike.



It doesn't help that I'm a goofball too.

BACK on topic, well done Jim! I was glad to see you pull out the win in the fairly reasonable mirror match. As you note it is hard to really out shoot necrons a lot but knowing that most of the weapons ranges are 24" can lead to some canny trickery. It's just making sure you can get the timing down right without getting shredded by Tesla! So great counter deploy to get off on the right foot that game.

Great game, Jim! Love reading about great players overcoming adversity and pulling off the win! It looked a little grim there for a while.

Loved riding in the elevator up to the gaming hall with you and Eric - didn't really expect you guys to get wasted in the morning before playing Day 2, after going undefeated on Day 1!