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PapaSoul wrote: Does Mantic really need to use Kickstarter? I thought it was intended for up and coming projects that couldn't be funded in any other way besides crowdsourcing. I refuse to believe that this is the only way mantic could bring this product to light, in fact it's not so much a kickstarter as it is a way of guaranteeing pre-orders for your new product. Poor show Mantic.
If it works, and they can get it to the press, then on to the public I say !@#$ it, go for it. Why is it a poor show?
Have you put together any good games and set them to market in this economy lately?
I'm still waiting on my Mars Attacks, and I'm glad I put the breaks on getting just the base set. I have a few of these fantasy guys and an undead army that I have that was quite a bit undersized, if this game is to scale, I'm all up for it if the quality is more improved then their first KS project.
Good games being crowd sourced is a good idea. HOWEVER, if the figures are crap, that's where I would draw the line. If the project is crap, that's where I would draw the line. If the producer took the money, spent a few years on excuses, and KS still didn't do anything about it, that's where I would draw the line.
Mantic deliver- albeit shaky sometimes, but they are very personable, and don't mind discussing if something is gaked up. Unlike other companies and projects on the market. As long as your having that communication, there is nothing wrong with the funding, wherever it comes from.
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So Mantic are just straight up making Warhammer Quest now?
You say that like it's a bad thing...........
The biggest thing for me is I don't want to hear stories (Myth....this product really exists right?) or find out once the product is in hand (Sedition Wars) that describing the rules as a "beta" set is being generous.
I know it's off topic, but what happened to Myth? I remeber thinking it looked pretty cool...
I don't know because peeps like myself outside North America haven't got even their wave 1 yet (though I think it's all coming as a single wave). Feedback on the rules seem generally to not have been well laid out and they did some videos to help explain them, they're reprinting some of the cards which will be availble at some future date somehow as well.
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Myth is still perplexed with the distribution problem.
Merc's biggest issue? They have no experience in distribution on the scale that they are now playing at. If I were to advise them, I'd initiate them to get a distribution center with two or three specialists to focus on distribution. ( Warehouse with a direct account with either Fedex/ UPS/ DHL/ Postal service.) Two to three trucks to push product to the distribution centers, and two or three more keyboard crunchers to tally in the info for orders.)
As to what they are working with now, a team of monkeys couldn't gak it up any worse.
I/E reference the KS updates for how Gaked and inexperienced they are at distribution.
Serious as a heart attack, two kids and a dog could have figured it out by now, and everyone would have had product in hand by the first of the year. They are playing catch up, and wait and see while people get more PO'ed at them by the day.
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PapaSoul wrote: Does Mantic really need to use Kickstarter? I thought it was intended for up and coming projects that couldn't be funded in any other way besides crowdsourcing. I refuse to believe that this is the only way mantic could bring this product to light, in fact it's not so much a kickstarter as it is a way of guaranteeing pre-orders for your new product. Poor show Mantic.
In the Beasts of War interview, Ronnie Renton said that, without the Mars KS, they could not have sold to international markets. Also, the retail demand was 5x the sales in the KS. Or something.
I checked out the Dreadball and Mars Attacks KS. Hope DSKS doesn't become *that* complicated. And still no info at how they're handling EB's. I'd rather have an idea of what time I should wake up (5:30am on a Monday??) than these dwarven runes...!
Already been confirmed that it's your standard normal EBs - limited number first come first served. Mantic are pretty good at adding additional ones on the first day so expect the first lot to be say $90 then the next to be $91 (or $95 depending on numbers) and so on. (note it's not even confirmed that the sweet spot is $100 yet it's a safe bet though).
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PapaSoul wrote: Does Mantic really need to use Kickstarter? I thought it was intended for up and coming projects that couldn't be funded in any other way besides crowdsourcing. I refuse to believe that this is the only way mantic could bring this product to light, in fact it's not so much a kickstarter as it is a way of guaranteeing pre-orders for your new product. Poor show Mantic.
In the Beasts of War interview, Ronnie Renton said that, without the Mars KS, they could not have sold to international markets. Also, the retail demand was 5x the sales in the KS. Or something.
That was probably referring to dreadball which has sold 5x more at retail than they did on the ks.
Well they sold a ridiculous amount of mars attacks to retailers in other countries for the release, it's the biggest thing they've sold so far. If they were doing it piecemeal this probably wouldn't have happened.
I know it's off topic, but what happened to Myth? I remeber thinking it looked pretty cool...
I don't know because peeps like myself outside North America haven't got even their wave 1 yet (though I think it's all coming as a single wave). Feedback on the rules seem generally to not have been well laid out and they did some videos to help explain them, they're reprinting some of the cards which will be availble at some future date somehow as well.
I sold my pledge for what I paid for it. I would have taken the refund, otherwise. Even if I hadn't, I'd certainly be looking at the refund with this coming out now.
GrimDork wrote: Well they sold a ridiculous amount of mars attacks to retailers in other countries for the release, it's the biggest thing they've sold so far. If they were doing it piecemeal this probably wouldn't have happened.
Yeah I just thought there was probably confusion with the 5x number since we've known that dreadball has sold 5x at retail for a while now, would be a coincidence if MA sold a similar ratio.
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The sculpts look better than usual for Mantic. I'm not sure I'll back as I already have many games to scratch the dungeon crawl itch. I think an option to get cheap undead miniatures from Mantic would be a good add on, upgrading your board game pieces to full miniatures that are still regarded as some of Mantics best work.
Zond wrote: The sculpts look better than usual for Mantic. I'm not sure I'll back as I already have many games to scratch the dungeon crawl itch. I think an option to get cheap undead miniatures from Mantic would be a good add on, upgrading your board game pieces to full miniatures that are still regarded as some of Mantics best work.
Are Mantic mini's less than average in quality? I've never backed their games before but this one has my attention. Is there a miniature line that their mini's can be compared against? Reaper/Zombicide?
That's all down to personal preference Malkaven. I don't think Mantic generally produce high quality sculpts, but they have the odd gem. Others will think differently. I'd just trawl their most recent kickstarter offerings and see if you like them.
Malkaven wrote: Are Mantic mini's less than average in quality? I've never backed their games before but this one has my attention. Is there a miniature line that their mini's can be compared against? Reaper/Zombicide?
Their undead line from Kings of War is very highly spoken of (don't own any yet myself), and that's pretty relevant to a game where the bad guys are all going to be undead, so that's a starting point.
Otherwise, complaints about restic and the "tiny leg trolls" aside, their sculpts are for the most part simply a matter of taste - the best example being the Elves, which I personally like, but some people hate because they're thin and graceful rather than solid and comically proportioned like the Elves from GW
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I think the restic minis are fine if you're only trying to do 5-10 at a time and break for something different in between. And i've had a lot of fun working with their undead.
Spoiler:
Deadzone/warpath enforcers, painted really simply for quick tabletop action.
mantic undead along with a couple of older gw skeletons mixed in.
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ecurtz wrote: They can be quite nice, but they've certainly never sent a bad sculpt back to be redone. I personally think the Reaper comparison is pretty good.
Agreed!
Mantic seems to not be able to receive a WIP (or maybe not ask/review WIPs?) from a sculptor, say "No, not quite!" and ask for it to be re-done/fixed.
ecurtz wrote: They can be quite nice, but they've certainly never sent a bad sculpt back to be redone. I personally think the Reaper comparison is pretty good.
Agreed!
Mantic seems to not be able to receive a WIP (or maybe not ask/review WIPs?) from a sculptor, say "No, not quite!" and ask for it to be re-done/fixed.
Maybe?
I dunno, how many objectively bad sculpts have they let through? This is before the production stage with mould lines and where the MaA went wrong too we're talking about. Tiny legged trolls, nuns on cats, anything else?
But good point - it might be more of an egregious mold line placement thing.
After all, art being a subjective thing and all that!
As I understand it Men at Arms were a good sculpt that got ruined in China translating from one program to another, they had no QA to check it after that stage, and then had the whole gakky production run done with no contractual ability to reject and have them redone for nothing on those grounds, live and learn thing.
But yeah, otherwise it's almost all subjective.
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From what I have seen Mantic's miniature style and moulding quality has improved with every release. While not perfect there has been marked and steady improvement.
Alpharius wrote: Mantic seems to not be able to receive a WIP (or maybe not ask/review WIPs?) from a sculptor, say "No, not quite!" and ask for it to be re-done/fixed.
I thought the only feedback Mantic ever gave to sculptors is "Make the arms bigger and the legs smaller!".
Alpharius wrote: Mantic seems to not be able to receive a WIP (or maybe not ask/review WIPs?) from a sculptor, say "No, not quite!" and ask for it to be re-done/fixed.
I thought the only feedback Mantic ever gave to sculptors is "Make the arms bigger and the legs smaller!".
I look forward to NOT-Warhammer quest at retail, once I can judge the materials visually. No amount of Kickstarter Handy-Js and puppies will get me to pre-buy a mantic product ever again.
Those two figures seen so far look nice. If they come without massive mold lines and sprue chunks taken out of the side of their face then I will be happy to get them!
Considering what a colossal failure MYTH has ended up being and the poor communication and shakiness of HQ25, there is a ball on a tee ready to be hit out of the park should someone be able to actually do it right.
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I reckon they'll have spy cam on you to find out exactly where you'll be making the purchase, and get a really shonky copy there just in time.
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Riquende wrote: I reckon they'll have spy cam on you to find out exactly where you'll be making the purchase, and get a really shonky copy there just in time.
I will be using a secret shopper program muhahahahahha. No way for the grand conspiracy to restic me up some massive mold lines!
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