Anpu-adom wrote:Bear in mind, I haven't finished (or played) my Necron army, but the Necrons have attracted my attention for better than 10 years of visiting my flgs.
For me, there is strength in the Necrons being without individuality. No special weapons to micro-manage, yet a depth of strategy. There is an elegance in the design of the 2nd edition Necron army... an elegance that is missing when I look at the complexity of systems of the SM, for example.

My wish and hope... that the Necrons maintain an elegance of design. Too many units and too many options destroy that IMHO.

Elegance and complexity are more hand in hand to me like simplicity and brutal. The necrons need more options and more development which would suit their fluff fine.

Mar wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:Bear in mind, I haven't finished (or played) my Necron army, but the Necrons have attracted my attention for better than 10 years of visiting my flgs.
For me, there is strength in the Necrons being without individuality. No special weapons to micro-manage, yet a depth of strategy. There is an elegance in the design of the 2nd edition Necron army... an elegance that is missing when I look at the complexity of systems of the SM, for example.

My wish and hope... that the Necrons maintain an elegance of design. Too many units and too many options destroy that IMHO.

Elegance and complexity are more hand in hand to me like simplicity and brutal. The necrons need more options and more development which would suit their fluff fine.

Well, speaking about design (the models) Necrons are pretty minimalistic, which suits them quite beautifully in my opinion. No need for too many ornaments and decorations. Speaking about rules, well, I suppose that they do need some development.

Indeed warriors should most definitely be minimalistic and the rumour mill suggests those models will remain has they are. I think immortals are supposed to get bigger and more ornate which is ok considering I think they are meant to be the first to become necrons and higher up in the pecking order has one such example. I think images like the monolith and the horde of warriors will remain because it works, makes sense and people seem to quite like it, what I expect is an evolution of other designs and a refinement of an image that is a tad old.

There is an Admech theory in the current Necron codex that states that the "Guess" effect may be just one of many possible uses. So it might actually be fluffy for the different colored rods to have different weapon effects in game.

Holy crap the necrons sound like alot of fun.

Stonerhino wrote:There is an Admech theory in the current Necron codex that states that the "Guess" effect may be just one of many possible uses. So it might actually be fluffy for the different colored rods to have different weapon effects in game.

Posters are saying that it sucks from an aesthetics point of view, not that it doesn't make sense.

Mar wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:Bear in mind, I haven't finished (or played) my Necron army, but the Necrons have attracted my attention for better than 10 years of visiting my flgs.
For me, there is strength in the Necrons being without individuality. No special weapons to micro-manage, yet a depth of strategy. There is an elegance in the design of the 2nd edition Necron army... an elegance that is missing when I look at the complexity of systems of the SM, for example.

My wish and hope... that the Necrons maintain an elegance of design. Too many units and too many options destroy that IMHO.

Elegance and complexity are more hand in hand to me like simplicity and brutal. The necrons need more options and more development which would suit their fluff fine.

When I think of elegance, I think (don't laugh!!!) of those Dyson vacuum cleaners. On the surface, they look simple. They don't have 'bells and whistles', but what they do have is done expertly. They do the job that they are designed too, and they do that job really well. There is a lot of engineering that goes into making each of those machines. As their recent ads point out, many other companies have begun mimicking their design but they haven't mastered the engineering. As a result, the copy-cats aren't as effective as the original.

My impression of the Necron army of old (remember, I haven't played yet so I may be completely wrong) is that the Army is more than the sum of its parts. There were no 'hero' units (unless you count the C'tan). Each piece supports and strengthens each other. Based on the battle reports I've seen, it seems that those who are winning with Necrons today have mastered that synergy of units. To me, that is elegance in game design.

Vhalyar wrote:
Posters are saying that it sucks from an aesthetics point of view, not that it doesn't make sense.

I know but it's like saying a weapon with a selecter switch should look differently when using different modes of fire.

Stonerhino wrote:

Vhalyar wrote:
Posters are saying that it sucks from an aesthetics point of view, not that it doesn't make sense.

I know but it's like saying a weapon with a selecter switch should look differently when using different modes of fire.

reminds me of an animated star trek episode, titled "The Slaver Weapon" where the weapon in the title did exactly that -- It changed how it looked every time they switched the mode of fire.

as has been stated many times. there is no backing the rumor of colored rods, it is 99.99% not happening. that .01% is my stand point of "anything can happen" but dont look to much into it, its just me.

Hello,
There is no real reason to have them be differnt colors as the overall effect would be the same, and they are built and powered by the same energy. That said I would thing of using differnt colors of rod if perhaps I wanted to designate a differnt or special weapon, as it could be a easy fix for remembering that you have one in a squad.

Regards,
Carl

If this Incoming email does show up this month or today for that matter, I fear for the comradery of those £££s in both my bank and wallet.

EDIT: As for the coloured rods, I don't see it happening, it is GW, while they produce quality kits, it's not like them to throw it all-in-one, if they do produce alternate rods they'll be to purchase seperately.

Well doesnt everyone remember Judge Dredd?(What inquisitors were originally based on)

There weapons didn't change form, even though you could change them from semi-automatic to armor-piercing ammo, just by saying which they wanted, but aside from an acknowledgment beep from the weapon it wouldn't change shape or form in any way.

Stonerhino wrote:There is an Admech theory in the current Necron codex that states that the "Guess" effect may be just one of many possible uses. So it might actually be fluffy for the different colored rods to have different weapon effects in game.

I'm fairly sure that theory was just musing that it could potentially be used for medical purposes, stip away damaged parts and rebuild them with other technology.

I dont recall it ever being said by any of the rumour posters who mentioned the coloured rods that they had a mechanical effect ghost21 claimed they had a fluff reason with each colour associated with a specific C'tan and Tabitha claimed to have not read the fluff only unit entries/wargear and said that (at least in that version) rod colour didn't effect the rules. All its been almost from the moment it was mentioned is people thinking the sky was falling "oh noes what if evil GW have made it so different colour rods have different rule effects that would be just like them"

I am pretty sure that somewhere along the course of threads ( ) someone mentioned the different colors=different effects thing (but there is no way I'm going through 40 pages of posts to find it ). And no one said the sky is falling-notice I earlier posted that in any case I would still play the Necrons. I just would object to that idea-aesthetically.

KarlPedder wrote:I dont recall it ever being said by any of the rumour posters who mentioned the coloured rods that they had a mechanical effect ghost21 claimed they had a fluff reason with each colour associated with a specific C'tan and Tabitha claimed to have not read the fluff only unit entries/wargear and said that (at least in that version) rod colour didn't effect the rules. All its been almost from the moment it was mentioned is people thinking the sky was falling "oh noes what if evil GW have made it so different colour rods have different rule effects that would be just like them"

This is the truth from what I have read here in Dakka and elsewhere.

angelshade00 wrote:I am pretty sure that somewhere along the course of threads ( ) someone mentioned the different colors=different effects thing (but there is no way I'm going through 40 pages of posts to find it ). And no one said the sky is falling-notice I earlier posted that in any case I would still play the Necrons. I just would object to that idea-aesthetically.

Indeed I think someone said they would like it if this occurred and I think me and Angelshade said we would not like it in lame man's terms

So no incoming e-mails :(
Lets all sink in desperation and have our crying heard throughout the universe... Join me nerd-ragers.....
WE WANT NECRONS!

I suppose next Monday will be just as good...
After all Necrons have waited in stasis for millions of years (and for an update almost 10) so what's a few more days or weeks compared to eternity?

Indeed I think someone said they would like it if this occurred and I think me and Angelshade said we would not like it in lame man's terms

Precisely.

angelshade00 wrote:I suppose next Monday will be just as good...
After all Necrons have waited in stasis for millions of years (and for an update almost 10) so what's a few more days or weeks compared to eternity?

I highly doubt we will see the incoming next week. History sais so. I guess we will see it in June 13 or sth arround there...
I guess another month is okay if it is to be better/more balanced..

Indeed. Sides, we all know its happening, sure Id like to know the date too, but at least we KNOW they are coming out

KingCracker wrote:Indeed. Sides, we all know its happening, sure Id like to know the date too, but at least we KNOW they are coming out

It's tahta FACT where I am holding on to

Who knows maybe the email is late today, its usually sent out with the update of the site

There were no Necron models listed with the 'Finecast' release sheet

NecronLord3 wrote:There were no Necron models listed with the 'Finecast' release sheet

Perhaps this is something to read into. Time will tell.

Mar wrote:

NecronLord3 wrote:There were no Necron models listed with the 'Finecast' release sheet

Perhaps this is something to read into. Time will tell.

I doubt it.

The Finecast release sheet likely was done explicitly with the upcoming Necrons in mind. It was also likely done in such a way that they can sell down the current stock of metal Necrons to be replaced with the resins come the new book.

NecronLord3 wrote:There were no Necron models listed with the 'Finecast' release sheet

I noticed this too, lots of Necron models were pulled back with the other metals that are now getting resin recasts. I am sure this is a good sign

Kanluwen wrote:

Mar wrote:

NecronLord3 wrote:There were no Necron models listed with the 'Finecast' release sheet

Perhaps this is something to read into. Time will tell.

I doubt it.

The Finecast release sheet likely was done explicitly with the upcoming Necrons in mind. It was also likely done in such a way that they can sell down the current stock of metal Necrons to be replaced with the resins come the new book.

Exactly what one could read into this but time will tell.

Wait... So I was right? Odd.

Ah well, at least whilst Games-workshop's other business decisions are going down the drain they're still maintaining their impressive advertising ability.

YakFace... You havent said anything for a while , i was hopin for some fresh rumors if you got any xD
Thanks for ur rumors ur awsome ^^

Looking at the resin changes it would seem only necon fans have a reason to be pleased because none of the Necron range is being made resin (at least at the moment) which could quite easily imply that the range is being redone soon which in turn means a new codex is on the horizon. Again it might look like a feeble argument but hey it seems quite plausible to me!

necr0n wrote:YakFace... You havent said anything for a while , i was hopin for some fresh rumors if you got any xD
Thanks for ur rumors ur awsome ^^

Silence of the Yak...

Anyway, sure I don't mind small delays, but it would have been good to get that blasted confirmation...just to quell the inner feelings of insecurity that arise when dealing with GW...

Hey 42nd page! I like this number!

42nd! better then any first any where... I do not feel the need for confirmation because it will be like the grey knight one. I am quite greedy and although I always take my rumours with salt I love eating them up, a confirmation will merely tell me what my gut already tells me.

Mar wrote:42nd! better then any first any where... I do not feel the need for confirmation because it will be like the grey knight one. I am quite greedy and although I always take my rumours with salt I love eating them up, a confirmation will merely tell me what my gut already tells me.

I'm actually hoping that with the Incoming mail there might be some sneak peek of any new models more than waiting for the actual confirmation...
I know too, that by now it's almost a given fact... we just don't know the exact date yet.

Here is hoping we get a preview but the grey knight one was if I remember correctly a picture of a grey knight and above it ZOMG INCOMING KNIGHTS THAT ARE GREY AND DEAD KILLY! so in my head I expect a very similar thing.

Mar wrote:Here is hoping we get a preview but the grey knight one was if I remember correctly a picture of a grey knight and above it ZOMG INCOMING KNIGHTS THAT ARE GREY AND DEAD KILLY! so in my head I expect a very similar thing.

Well, I was hoping for something like the Tomb Kings Incoming...they had a zoomed in image of something, allowing speculation as to its nature to run rampant... It eventually turned out to be the impressive Necrosphinx. Something like that would be nice.

Aha yes of course I forgot about warhammer like a fool, lets hope for a trend! that MC zoomed in that was rumoured.

Why the hell not!

angelshade00 wrote:

Mar wrote:Here is hoping we get a preview but the grey knight one was if I remember correctly a picture of a grey knight and above it ZOMG INCOMING KNIGHTS THAT ARE GREY AND DEAD KILLY! so in my head I expect a very similar thing.

Well, I was hoping for something like the Tomb Kings Incoming...they had a zoomed in image of something, allowing speculation as to its nature to run rampant... It eventually turned out to be the impressive Necrosphinx. Something like that would be nice.

If by "speculation" you mean "bad info, worse wishlisting and people being purposefully deceptive because it's their preferred means of trolling" then yes, that would be nice*.


*Not really.

I don't care what is in the Incoming email as long as there is one soon. I want to see some Necron stuff at Games Day this year so I can judge that Matt Ward personally and if they suck level his face with a roundhouse kick.

((This has lacked any Ward hate these past few days, thought I would add the prescribed dosage.))

samrtk wrote:I don't care what is in the Incoming email as long as there is one soon. I want to see some Necron stuff at Games Day this year so I can judge that Matt Ward personally and if they suck level his face with a roundhouse kick.

((This has lacked any Ward hate these past few days, thought I would add the prescribed dosage.))

Paracetonoscontempto Wardate. Take once weekly. Side effects include uncontrolled rage, anger at innocent bystanders and drowsiness*.

*Everything seems to cause drowsiness.

Worglock wrote:

angelshade00 wrote:

Mar wrote:Here is hoping we get a preview but the grey knight one was if I remember correctly a picture of a grey knight and above it ZOMG INCOMING KNIGHTS THAT ARE GREY AND DEAD KILLY! so in my head I expect a very similar thing.

Well, I was hoping for something like the Tomb Kings Incoming...they had a zoomed in image of something, allowing speculation as to its nature to run rampant... It eventually turned out to be the impressive Necrosphinx. Something like that would be nice.

If by "speculation" you mean "bad info, worse wishlisting and people being purposefully deceptive because it's their preferred means of trolling" then yes, that would be nice*.


*Not really.

Meh two sides to the same coin.

samrtk wrote:I don't care what is in the Incoming email as long as there is one soon. I want to see some Necron stuff at Games Day this year so I can judge that Matt Ward personally and if they suck level his face with a roundhouse kick.

((This has lacked any Ward hate these past few days, thought I would add the prescribed dosage.))

I think this kinda hits it on the nail ish... and maybe Ward's thumb as well.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/206656-Ward.html

This thread is officialy dead. Just like our favourite necrons! Lets just hope it will get back up with new rumors too!

necr0n wrote:This thread is officialy dead. Just like our favourite necrons! Lets just hope it will get back up with new rumors too!

well lets see, 1) finecraft has no necrons on it 2) no one has posted any new rumors 3) the only "rumors" are wild speculations at this point.

Well no Necrons on the fine cast probably shows that Necrons are on the way, its not wild speculation to suggest that I think. We have pretty much discussed everything Necron at this point that we have and a fair bit of what we don't!

Still leaves me scratching my head as there are no Wraiths, pariahs, flayed ones or ANY of their metal kits for that matter. Unless each one is a getting an entire overhaul like DE, then I'm stumped as to what's going on with this finecast crap.

Kurgash wrote:Still leaves me scratching my head as there are no Wraiths, pariahs, flayed ones or ANY of their metal kits for that matter. Unless each one is a getting an entire overhaul like DE, then I'm stumped as to what's going on with this finecast crap.

especially when i hear its more expensive... why did they change to a more expensive method again?

kenzosan wrote:

Kurgash wrote:Still leaves me scratching my head as there are no Wraiths, pariahs, flayed ones or ANY of their metal kits for that matter. Unless each one is a getting an entire overhaul like DE, then I'm stumped as to what's going on with this finecast crap.

especially when i hear its more expensive... why did they change to a more expensive method again?

Justify the next price hike?

And actually, the resin is more expensive than the plastic but less than the metal (if memory serves). I believe they can get higher quality detail out of resin as well, so all in all it's a win/win for them.

kenzosan wrote:especially when i hear its more expensive... why did they change to a more expensive method again?

Resin is a significantly cheaper as a material than pewter, GW are just raising the prices because they get away with it. They'll be at least tripling their profits now. I don't understand why they don't lower their prices and allow people to more liberally expand into apocalypse sized armies that way they will sell more thus keeping their profit margin. I seriously think that GW rolls a D6 on deciding on a marketing strategy; it always lands on "screw the customers."

samrtk wrote:

kenzosan wrote:especially when i hear its more expensive... why did they change to a more expensive method again?

Resin is a significantly cheaper as a material than pewter, GW are just raising the prices because they get away with it. They'll be at least tripling their profits now. I don't understand why they don't lower their prices and allow people to more liberally expand into apocalypse sized armies that way they will sell more thus keeping their profit margin. I seriously think that GW rolls a D6 on deciding on a marketing strategy; it always lands on "screw the customers."

good one

Buy I think they roll a 5D6+original price to work out the new price lol

samrtk wrote:

kenzosan wrote:especially when i hear its more expensive... why did they change to a more expensive method again?

Resin is a significantly cheaper as a material than pewter, GW are just raising the prices because they get away with it. They'll be at least tripling their profits now. I don't understand why they don't lower their prices and allow people to more liberally expand into apocalypse sized armies that way they will sell more thus keeping their profit margin. I seriously think that GW rolls a D6 on deciding on a marketing strategy; it always lands on "screw the customers."

Must be like the artillery die: 4 arrows and 2 hits...they must have rubbed out the hits somehow...

angelshade00 wrote:

samrtk wrote:

kenzosan wrote:especially when i hear its more expensive... why did they change to a more expensive method again?

Resin is a significantly cheaper as a material than pewter, GW are just raising the prices because they get away with it. They'll be at least tripling their profits now. I don't understand why they don't lower their prices and allow people to more liberally expand into apocalypse sized armies that way they will sell more thus keeping their profit margin. I seriously think that GW rolls a D6 on deciding on a marketing strategy; it always lands on "screw the customers."

Must be like the artillery die: 4 arrows and 2 hits...they must have rubbed out the hits somehow...

I think it's like a normal d6, except every side of the die is another 0 on the price.

Lets try to keep the finecast 'discussion' to its respective thread!

Mar wrote:Lets try to keep the finecast 'discussion' to its respective thread!

Anger/Rage/Injustice spills over; I'm surprised the Finecast discussion hasn't been turned into a conspiracy starring the gentlemanly Matt Ward yet.

I too am shocked at the lack of Matt Ward related hate but pleased so little has occurred.

Mar wrote:I too am shocked at the lack of Matt Ward related hate but pleased so little has occurred.

i think we are over it. we spent, what, 40 pages blaming him for things?

Besides, these changes don't actually seem that bad from my point of view. Necrons NEED a resurrection, so to speak.

kenzosan wrote:

Mar wrote:I too am shocked at the lack of Matt Ward related hate but pleased so little has occurred.

i think we are over it.

NEVAR FORGET

Melissia wrote:Besides, these changes don't actually seem that bad from my point of view. Necrons NEED a resurrection, so to speak.

In all honesty, I'm a little curious to see where he takes them. Against all hope I'm thinking perhaps this will be the codex where he calms down from the 'ZOMG SPESS MEHRINES BESTEST' mentality and lets the pot simmer first before pouring, so to speak.

Kurgash wrote:In all honesty, I'm a little curious to see where he takes them. Against all hope I'm thinking perhaps this will be the codex where he calms down from the 'ZOMG SPESS MEHRINES BESTEST' mentality and lets the pot simmer first before pouring, so to speak.

I don't get this post. Going "Space Marines are bester than the bestest of the best!" was his job, because... he was tasked with writing three Space Marine codices and nothing xenos-related. So there's pretty much no reason to assume that he'll mess things up out of some kind of misguided Space Marine admiration/fascination/obsession and/or desire to see every xenos army be Space Marines in funny disguises. In Fantasy his Wood Elves were well-received and the Daemons book's fluff was pretty damn superior to the stuff in the 40k version.

Drachii wrote:

kenzosan wrote:

Mar wrote:I too am shocked at the lack of Matt Ward related hate but pleased so little has occurred.

i think we are over it.

NEVAR FORGET

rofl!

let me rephrase. i think we are in agreement.

Vhalyar wrote:

Kurgash wrote:In all honesty, I'm a little curious to see where he takes them. Against all hope I'm thinking perhaps this will be the codex where he calms down from the 'ZOMG SPESS MEHRINES BESTEST' mentality and lets the pot simmer first before pouring, so to speak.

I don't get this post. Going "Space Marines are bester than the bestest of the best!" was his job, because... he was tasked with writing three Space Marine codices and nothing xenos-related. So there's pretty much no reason to assume that he'll mess things up out of some kind of misguided Space Marine admiration/fascination/obsession and/or desire to see every xenos army be Space Marines in funny disguises. In Fantasy his Wood Elves were well-received and the Daemons book's fluff was pretty damn superior to the stuff in the 40k version.

Yes but after his recent works one questions if he will continue the trend of the Space Marine fluff or will he go all out using his creative juices to make good story/background that doesn't raise an eyebrow.

Kurgash wrote:
Yes but after his recent works one questions if he will continue the trend of the Space Marine fluff or will he go all out using his creative juices to make good story/background that doesn't raise an eyebrow.

One can only hope.

angelshade00 wrote:

Kurgash wrote:
Yes but after his recent works one questions if he will continue the trend of the Space Marine fluff or will he go all out using his creative juices to make good story/background that doesn't raise an eyebrow.

One can only hope.

With the rumour being that the book has had several authors, I expect that the fluff will have fewer of the Wardism (poorly explained occurances that leave a bitter taste if taken certain ways). I'm expecting that I'll hate the codex at first and then settle into it as my mind works out how each change can fit into the little Necron world in my head :p

I thought that FineCast was the replacement for the metal minis. If necron models are being re-released as plastic kits (as in more than one model per pack) then they woudln't be on the Fine Cast list anyway, would they?

The lack of any Necron units on the FineCast list would suggest to me that the entire army is coming back as plastic boxed kits. Maybe a box kit for the Lord which includes parts for foot and Destroyer Lord in one handy kit?

They might not release actual models for the named characters in the codex to encourage players to convert their own.

Praxiss wrote:I thought that FineCast was the replacement for the metal minis. If necron models are being re-released as plastic kits (as in more than one model per pack) then they woudln't be on the Fine Cast list anyway, would they?

The lack of any Necron units on the FineCast list would suggest to me that the entire army is coming back as plastic boxed kits. Maybe a box kit for the Lord which includes parts for foot and Destroyer Lord in one handy kit?

They might not release actual models for the named characters in the codex to encourage players to convert their own.

I agree to an extent. It doesn't mean the whole range is coming has plastics but that the whole range (at least the non plastic bits now) are being redone. Some plastic and the rest resin.

Mar wrote:I agree to an extent. It doesn't mean the whole range is coming has plastics but that the whole range (at least the non plastic bits now) are being redone. Some plastic and the rest resin.

I dont get it. Necrons are not in the finecast, how can you say the some of the models are gonna be resin? :/

Ugh..just watch it burn.

necr0n wrote:

Mar wrote:I agree to an extent. It doesn't mean the whole range is coming has plastics but that the whole range (at least the non plastic bits now) are being redone. Some plastic and the rest resin.

I dont get it. Necrons are not in the finecast, how can you say the some of the models are gonna be resin? :/

Because we will get new resin models in the future. the metal to resin transfer happening now is not the only time we will see resin. Special characters and the like will most definitely be resin. The finecast list we have now is for current models Necrons have new models with a new codex.

So the current FIne Cast list basically covers the currentyl existing models that are beign released. Presumably any new necron Fine Cast character models will be announced when the codex is realesed or ina future Wave 2 release.

Once all the metal to resin changes are done it might be best to treat resin like its metal, a book or a wave comes out and you get new resin and plastic models instead of new metal and plastic models.

go check the poster, tell me, of your chosen army (i know you dont only play necrons!) how many models are missing that are metal?

yes, the necrons, sisters, and tau, are not represented, but look at what is. my biggest observation is resin avatar? cuz it isnt already, and it started that way in the first place. eldar are missing ALOT from that list.

this is just the first wave. im not saying necrons, sisters, and tau aren't being redone, im saying what is planed for metal will probably change over soon. dante and asteroth are the most used sc in ba so it makes sense they are the only converts at this time.

Isn't Eldar on the list of Codex's to be re-done in the near(ish) future. Maybe there is a reason they are not on the list.

Or maybe Forgeworld will have a bigger role in making normal 40k characters, and we will see these missing items appear in their website in the future.

kenzosan wrote:go check the poster, tell me, of your chosen army (i know you dont only play necrons!) how many models are missing that are metal?

yes, the necrons, sisters, and tau, are not represented, but look at what is. my biggest observation is resin avatar? cuz it isnt already, and it started that way in the first place. eldar are missing ALOT from that list.

this is just the first wave. im not saying necrons, sisters, and tau aren't being redone, im saying what is planed for metal will probably change over soon. dante and asteroth are the most used sc in ba so it makes sense they are the only converts at this time.

Tau are getting stuff there though while Sisters and Necrons are not.

Hey Ho. Such is the mysteries of GW. Maybe they didn't put them on the list so the community at large wouldn't get any hints as to new models in their codex?

i think i saw a post somewhere about Sisters getting a PDF or WD codex update thing? Maybe they will get a couple of new models as well to replace their metal ones and GW doesn't want to let the cat out of the bag just yet.

GW prefers to live in grim darkness... No one knows the full story.

Mar wrote:GW prefers to live in grim darkness... No one knows the full story.

In the grim darkness of 40K, there is only "...wtf?"

Mar wrote:

kenzosan wrote:go check the poster, tell me, of your chosen army (i know you dont only play necrons!) how many models are missing that are metal?

yes, the necrons, sisters, and tau, are not represented, but look at what is. my biggest observation is resin avatar? cuz it isnt already, and it started that way in the first place. eldar are missing ALOT from that list.

this is just the first wave. im not saying necrons, sisters, and tau aren't being redone, im saying what is planed for metal will probably change over soon. dante and asteroth are the most used sc in ba so it makes sense they are the only converts at this time.

Tau are getting stuff there though while Sisters and Necrons are not.

really? my bad. didnt notice, but i still believe over thinking this is bad. its a first wave. i can name the models i use that arent on there as well as the models i want, that doesnt mean they arent being converted.

Praxiss wrote:Isn't Eldar on the list of Codex's to be re-done in the near(ish) future. Maybe there is a reason they are not on the list.

Or maybe Forgeworld will have a bigger role in making normal 40k characters, and we will see these missing items appear in their website in the future.

this thought is kinda what i mean. theres alot of rumored codex updates. just cuz we dont see something on the finecraft list doesnt mean its being updated.

I wouldn't say we have over thought it just made an observation and a rather small argument has to why this is and one I might say that makes a lot of sense considering the general flow of opinion is Necrons and Sisters are at the very least in development.

Mar wrote:I wouldn't say we have over thought it just made an observation and a rather small argument has to why this is and one I might say that makes a lot of sense considering the general flow of opinion is Necrons and Sisters are at the very least in development.

o i agree, the over thinking is in reference to a lack of models as an example. this is the first wave, meaning more is coming. to me these are the more popular and selling metal units that arent a squad, thus they are why they are the first wave. i agree they are being worked on in terms of necrons, but sisters are too far out of the way. why switch to resin sisters when the metal isnt selling? thats why i think they arent switching and thats why i dont know about the rumor of a wd codex. see now you got me over thinking!

kenzosan wrote:

Mar wrote:I wouldn't say we have over thought it just made an observation and a rather small argument has to why this is and one I might say that makes a lot of sense considering the general flow of opinion is Necrons and Sisters are at the very least in development.

o i agree, the over thinking is in reference to a lack of models as an example. this is the first wave, meaning more is coming. to me these are the more popular and selling metal units that arent a squad, thus they are why they are the first wave. i agree they are being worked on in terms of necrons, but sisters are too far out of the way. why switch to resin sisters when the metal isnt selling? thats why i think they arent switching and thats why i dont know about the rumor of a wd codex. see now you got me over thinking!

I am sorry I don't know what your saying exactly.

Mar wrote:

kenzosan wrote:

Mar wrote:I wouldn't say we have over thought it just made an observation and a rather small argument has to why this is and one I might say that makes a lot of sense considering the general flow of opinion is Necrons and Sisters are at the very least in development.

o i agree, the over thinking is in reference to a lack of models as an example. this is the first wave, meaning more is coming. to me these are the more popular and selling metal units that arent a squad, thus they are why they are the first wave. i agree they are being worked on in terms of necrons, but sisters are too far out of the way. why switch to resin sisters when the metal isnt selling? thats why i think they arent switching and thats why i dont know about the rumor of a wd codex. see now you got me over thinking!

I am sorry I don't know what your saying exactly.

i get that alot from my friends

because it is the first wave of releases, i think its a stretch to say there are no X army models so that means they are redoing them. the thing is, like every army so far, they redo some models but not all. so i just think its over thinking things if you say "the reason necrons arent in finecast is because they are being redone" what i see with the finecraft is the models that, atleast with the people i play around, are used and sold more often.

Not saying this means anything, but I found this on the interwebs. Feel free to speculate, I have no stake in this matter. Just though you guys might be interested

Why would it be Ltd. 2009?

Can't have been around that long.

Very, very veryyyyy OLD faked page. From like last april fools.

rockprime wrote:Not saying this means anything, but I found this on the interwebs. Feel free to speculate, I have no stake in this matter. Just though you guys might be interested

It was amusing back in 2009, yeah.

If that faked reference sheet had been true, I'd still have been knocking on GW's door angrily at the fact that the most advanced race technologically in the Galaxy, and quite possibly the Universe, STILL WOULDN'T HAVE AN AP1 WEAPON.

Good thing it's a fake

Um... The middle of a Lith Blast is AP 1

That said apparently the Necrons never mastered melta or plasma tech. Ap 1 and Ap 2 weapons are thin on the ground.. thin in the air.. generally pretty trim.

Same deal with power wepaons. It's either automegadeath scythes or nothing. Did they never develop power weapons somewhere down the line ?

*edit for fething autocorrect :(*

Ascalam wrote:Um... The middle of a Lith Blast is AP 1

That said apparently the Necrons never mastered melta or plasma tech. Ap 1 and Ap 2 weapons are thin on the ground.. thin in the air.. generally pretty trim.

Same deal with power wepaons. It's either automegadeath scythes or nothing. Did they never develop power weapons somewhere down the line ?

*edit for fething autocorrect :(*

I know the middle is, but I don't count that because it's a large blast AP3 weapon really, and the hole itself is a very small - and often goes wide - crosshair.

I suppose Necrons don't use Melta/Plasma because Gauss is, in fluff, a lot better because it strips away the atoms of its being. However, this doesn't really help a Gauss Flayer make a Rhino explode like it should :( Ah well.

And as for power weapons... "Sure, let's make power weapons one of the main weaknesses of the army. Shall we give them anything to retaliate with so they're not completely vulnerable? ...NAH."

Power Weapons were not that common at the time of the book's writing time if I recall. Some armies had quite a few, Chaos and Nids' MC's but not many armies carried them in such large numbers as today.

Scarey Nerd wrote:If that faked reference sheet had been true, I'd still have been knocking on GW's door angrily at the fact that the most advanced race technologically in the Galaxy, and quite possibly the Universe, STILL WOULDN'T HAVE AN AP1 WEAPON.

Good thing it's a fake

And what makes you think the real one is going to be better?
Just a little doomsaying on my part, in truth I'm generally optimistic about it, I've just come to terms with the fact that I should expect almost everything...

Come on GW, I'm running out of stuff to buy for my Crons. The only model I don't have is the ltd edition battleforce metal Lord. Don't make me spend £40 getting one off ebay! At this rate I might have to build the necron Pylon formation thats on one of those apoc data sheets

One other thought, does anyone think these 'Tomb Blades' might be a close combat version of Destroyers, kind of a 'Destroyer Lord Lite'. I know their rumoured to be jump infantry which is apparently what Destroyers are becoming aswell. Jump infantry with Warsycthes or even rending would be pretty useful and presents a new build type for the army. Although whether they will be better than Wraiths 2.0 is anyones guess. Its going to be another crowded fast attack section, unless things get farmed out to elites and troops.

I think its fair to say tesla, particle and whatever the other new weapon type rumours are will be things necrons use to represent plasma and melta.

angelshade00 wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:If that faked reference sheet had been true, I'd still have been knocking on GW's door angrily at the fact that the most advanced race technologically in the Galaxy, and quite possibly the Universe, STILL WOULDN'T HAVE AN AP1 WEAPON.

Good thing it's a fake

And what makes you think the real one is going to be better?
Just a little doomsaying on my part, in truth I'm generally optimistic about it, I've just come to terms with the fact that I should expect almost everything...

I never said the real would be better The way these rumours are going I'm either quitting Necrons permanently or relegating them to a secondary army. My main worry is for Sisters, but in truth I don't really care what rules they get for the most part, as long as the fluff is good and there is some form of Living Saint/St Celestine.

Scarey Nerd wrote:

angelshade00 wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:If that faked reference sheet had been true, I'd still have been knocking on GW's door angrily at the fact that the most advanced race technologically in the Galaxy, and quite possibly the Universe, STILL WOULDN'T HAVE AN AP1 WEAPON.

Good thing it's a fake

And what makes you think the real one is going to be better?
Just a little doomsaying on my part, in truth I'm generally optimistic about it, I've just come to terms with the fact that I should expect almost everything...

I never said the real would be better The way these rumours are going I'm either quitting Necrons permanently or relegating them to a secondary army. My main worry is for Sisters, but in truth I don't really care what rules they get for the most part, as long as the fluff is good and there is some form of Living Saint/St Celestine.

What do not like about the rumoured changes?

Mar wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:

angelshade00 wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:If that faked reference sheet had been true, I'd still have been knocking on GW's door angrily at the fact that the most advanced race technologically in the Galaxy, and quite possibly the Universe, STILL WOULDN'T HAVE AN AP1 WEAPON.

Good thing it's a fake

And what makes you think the real one is going to be better?
Just a little doomsaying on my part, in truth I'm generally optimistic about it, I've just come to terms with the fact that I should expect almost everything...

I never said the real would be better The way these rumours are going I'm either quitting Necrons permanently or relegating them to a secondary army. My main worry is for Sisters, but in truth I don't really care what rules they get for the most part, as long as the fluff is good and there is some form of Living Saint/St Celestine.

What do not like about the rumoured changes?

Various things, in particular C'Tan aspects and transports. I have a picture in my head of what the Necrons are like, which was backed up by Fall of Damnos, and these rumours seem to counter that picture, and since I play for the background and stories, I doubt I'll play much longer. Apart from anything else, with the amount of models I own that will be outdated, and the amount of vehicles I predict I will need to buy, I don't know if I'd even be able to afford the new army as well as Sisters of Battle, which as I've said are my priority. Just my own opinion, but.

On the new price list, the only Necron items listed are the codex, the Monolith, and the Battleforce box (even though the warrior box and the destroyers aren't). From that I'm inferring:

The Monolith isn't getting a remodel.
Scarabs aren't getting a major remodel, but maybe some extra bits that are available in the warrior/scarab box.
Warriors aren't getting a major remodel, but like the scarabs, perhaps some extra bits.
Destroyers aren't getting a major remodel, but some extra bits available in the Destroyer blister/box. (This matches with earlier rumors of the combined plastic Destroyer/Heavy Destroyer box.)

So, it seems that I may be justified in hoping that the Warriors/Scarab box I bought last month will still work with a future Necron army. *crosses every finger and toe*

Or it could be that they are the kits that don't have metal parts. Yet, I'm still surprised that the Necron Warrior/Scarab box doesn't have a new price.


EDIT: I'm a dunce (the cap is on back-order). It seems (from this https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?pli=1&key=tIytonRUpm6fRkxpIjqcDzQ#gid=0 ) that the destroyer and the warrior boxes are still available, but they aren't increasing in price this month.

Anpu-adom wrote:On the new price list, the only Necron items listed are the codex, the Monolith, and the Battleforce box (even though the warrior box and the destroyers aren't). From that I'm inferring:

The Monolith isn't getting a remodel.
Scarabs aren't getting a major remodel, but maybe some extra bits that are available in the warrior/scarab box.
Warriors aren't getting a major remodel, but like the scarabs, perhaps some extra bits.
Destroyers aren't getting a major remodel, but some extra bits available in the Destroyer blister/box. (This matches with earlier rumors of the combined plastic Destroyer/Heavy Destroyer box.)

So, it seems that I may be justified in hoping that the Warriors/Scarab box I bought last month will still work with a future Necron army. *crosses every finger and toe*

Or it could be that they are the kits that don't have metal parts. Yet, I'm still surprised that the Necron Warrior/Scarab box doesn't have a new price.

One of the things I hope for is that they never ever ever ever ever change the warriors, only thing they may doe is refine them a bit (as now they have diffrent elbows and stuff) but never change them XD

RutgerMan wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote: ... I'm inferring:

Scarabs aren't getting a major remodel, but maybe some extra bits that are available in the warrior/scarab box.
Warriors aren't getting a major remodel, but like the scarabs, perhaps some extra bits.
...
So, it seems that I may be justified in hoping that the Warriors/Scarab box I bought last month will still work with a future Necron army. *crosses every finger and toe*
...

One of the things I hope for is that they never ever ever ever ever change the warriors, only thing they may doe is refine them a bit (as now they have diffrent elbows and stuff) but never change them XD

Ditto... it was that clean 'Terminator' look that attracted me to the Necron army at my FLGS.

When was the last time Warriors were touched? Did the addition of different arms happen after the 2002 release? I know that prior to that, they looked like Cylons from the old Battlestar Galactica series.

Anpu-adom wrote:When was the last time Warriors were touched? Did the addition of different arms happen after the 2002 release? I know that prior to that, they looked like Cylons from the old Battlestar Galactica series.

Nah, man, they made the Cylons from the old BSG look good. While the old Immortals were pretty cool looking, the old Warriors were laaaaaame. Not to mention the lounge-chair Destroyers.

If they made an Adeptus Mechanicus army, I'd love a unit that looked like the reimagined Cylon Centurions, I love them! Also, Cylon Raiders from the new series look to me exactly how Necron fighters would: Sleek, featureless and powered by a Necron.

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There hasn't been much news on the Necrons this week

Thanks to yakface, I have been away from dakka awhile and just read this original post today. Im sorry to say that I am not so excited about the changes as i would hoped to be. granted i dont have time to read all 44 pages of this thread so I probably missed something but... so my question is do we have an idea for a release date?

lowmanjason wrote:Thanks to yakface, I have been away from dakka awhile and just read this original post today. Im sorry to say that I am not so excited about the changes as i would hoped to be. granted i dont have time to read all 44 pages of this thread so I probably missed something but... so my question is do we have an idea for a release date?

We have many XD but I geuss there are lot's of hopes on the 15th or 16th of next month for the 'INCOMING' mail

You had to know they wouldn't have had the incoming email so close to the DE second wave announcement.

RutgerMan wrote:We have many XD but I geuss there are lot's of hopes on the 15th or 16th of next month for the 'INCOMING' mail

I wounldnt hope for an Incoming! e-mail for the following reasons:
1) http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303834
2) In the "Why Register" section of the GW site the bullet with the incoming e-mails is removed, which verifies the post above.

Instead I would w8 till August to see the dead rise again

necr0n wrote:I wounldnt hope for an Incoming! e-mail for the following reasons:
1) http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303834
2) In the "Why Register" section of the GW site the bullet with the incoming e-mails is removed, which verifies the post above.

Instead I would w8 till August to see the dead rise again

You link on Dakka to a Warseer thread linking to a Dakka thread?
Anyway, copied your interesting comment to the original Dakka thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/369325.page .

Kroothawk wrote:

necr0n wrote:I wounldnt hope for an Incoming! e-mail for the following reasons:
1) http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303834
2) In the "Why Register" section of the GW site the bullet with the incoming e-mails is removed, which verifies the post above.

Instead I would w8 till August to see the dead rise again

You link on Dakka to a Warseer thread linking to a Dakka thread?
Anyway, copied your interesting comment to the original Dakka thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/369325.page .

He wishes to unite the realms for an age of peace and prosperity.

Kurgash wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

necr0n wrote:I wounldnt hope for an Incoming! e-mail for the following reasons:
1) http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303834
2) In the "Why Register" section of the GW site the bullet with the incoming e-mails is removed, which verifies the post above.

Instead I would w8 till August to see the dead rise again

You link on Dakka to a Warseer thread linking to a Dakka thread?
Anyway, copied your interesting comment to the original Dakka thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/369325.page .

He wishes to unite the realms for an age of peace and prosperity.

The Emperor tried that and look what happened to him.

"Come to the Dakka side! We have cookies!"

Kroothawk wrote:"Come to the Dakka side! We have cookies!"

and undead robots. The best kind of robots.

And gods who do their own killing (C'tan) instead of lounging around on their couches waiting for others to do it for them while munching on chips and watching Soaps (cough, Nurgle, Khorne, Tzeentch [i hope I got that right], Slaanesh, The God Emperor [yeah that's right, i just capped on the merging of Jesus and Chuck Norris], cough cough).

Kurgash wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

necr0n wrote:I wounldnt hope for an Incoming! e-mail for the following reasons:
1) http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303834
2) In the "Why Register" section of the GW site the bullet with the incoming e-mails is removed, which verifies the post above.

Instead I would w8 till August to see the dead rise again

You link on Dakka to a Warseer thread linking to a Dakka thread?
Anyway, copied your interesting comment to the original Dakka thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/369325.page .

He wishes to unite the realms for an age of peace and prosperity.

True, with the pesisism of Warseer and the optimism of Dakka we could create an ultra site/forum... It would blow up every1's mind since the combined power would reveal the actual rumors GW is hiding from us... Imagine... The endless fighting and crying...

necr0n wrote:

Kurgash wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

necr0n wrote:I wounldnt hope for an Incoming! e-mail for the following reasons:
1) http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303834
2) In the "Why Register" section of the GW site the bullet with the incoming e-mails is removed, which verifies the post above.

Instead I would w8 till August to see the dead rise again

You link on Dakka to a Warseer thread linking to a Dakka thread?
Anyway, copied your interesting comment to the original Dakka thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/369325.page .

He wishes to unite the realms for an age of peace and prosperity.

True, with the pesisism of Warseer and the optimism of Dakka we could create an ultra site/forum... It would blow up every1's mind since the combined power would reveal the actual rumors GW is hiding from us... Imagine... The endless fighting and crying...

All two sides of the same coin given different perspective.

Indeed.
An optimist believes that these are the best of times. A pessimist fears the same.

I'm a pessimistic optimist.

Assume the worst will happen, then everything else that happens will be a pleasant surprise

That said i'm having a hard time maintaining it regarding my beloved tin men

Wow. So August is a realistic release date then?

Anpu-adom wrote:On the new price list, the only Necron items listed are the codex, the Monolith, and the Battleforce box (even though the warrior box and the destroyers aren't). From that I'm inferring:

The Monolith isn't getting a remodel.
Scarabs aren't getting a major remodel, but maybe some extra bits that are available in the warrior/scarab box.
Warriors aren't getting a major remodel, but like the scarabs, perhaps some extra bits.
Destroyers aren't getting a major remodel, but some extra bits available in the Destroyer blister/box. (This matches with earlier rumors of the combined plastic Destroyer/Heavy Destroyer box.)

So, it seems that I may be justified in hoping that the Warriors/Scarab box I bought last month will still work with a future Necron army. *crosses every finger and toe*

Or it could be that they are the kits that don't have metal parts. Yet, I'm still surprised that the Necron Warrior/Scarab box doesn't have a new price.


EDIT: I'm a dunce (the cap is on back-order). It seems (from this https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?pli=1&key=tIytonRUpm6fRkxpIjqcDzQ#gid=0 ) that the destroyer and the warrior boxes are still available, but they aren't increasing in price this month.

Well rescently the manager of my local GW got given a bunch of Necron stuff that apparently he had to paint up and send off to be used at games day then would get it back about a month after games day to keep or such. Both of us agreed that it seemed odd that he would be asked to paint up models to be displayed at games day that were going to be replaced; especially if you take the August release date as a likelyhood and Games day AU being after that...The models he was given to paint up were limited to the existing Necron plastics and the Destroyer lord so i doubt any of these will be changed asthetically at least.

Well rescently the manager of my local GW got given a bunch of Necron stuff that apparently he had to paint up and send off to be used at games day then would get it back about a month after games day to keep or such. Both of us agreed that it seemed odd that he would be asked to paint up models to be displayed at games day that were going to be replaced; especially if you take the August release date as a likelyhood and Games day AU being after that...The models he was given to paint up were limited to the existing Necron plastics and the Destroyer lord so i doubt any of these will be changed asthetically at least.

... So August is not a good estimate?

no, it still is, just don't expect changes to units which are already plastic. Or the destroyer lord I guess (though his torso, arms, etc. are pewter, so I guess they're keeping a little pewter?)

All right! august, I cant wait to see how bad they jack my army up!

Its not confirmed by any stretch of the imagination, I would not hold your breath.

So it's 100% confirmed that it may or may not be in August?

Need to write this down on my hand so I'll remember to keep my eyes out come August.

I find the last series of posts quite funny!
So August is definitely the month that Necrons are either coming or not coming!
Now that was reassuring!
(PS. not trying to be sarcastic, just thought it was funny...no offense meant to any of the posters...)

I can say with 100% certainty that we will or will not hear about a Necron Codex release sometime in the the next decade.

Anpu-adom wrote:I can say with 100% certainty that we will or will not hear about a Necron Codex release sometime in the the next decade.

This is the one true truth and even this is not really confirmed!

We should write a petition to GW.

"We, as the players, demand to know if it is true that we will either hear or not hear something about the Necron release that is coming either in August or a time that is not August."

Kroothawk wrote:"Come to the Dakka side! We have cookies!"

And CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORTS? ;D

Also, definitely hoping for august. August is a GOOD month for me.

In August, expect GW's confirmation of the Necron release

Wow this thread has hit a whole new level of rumour thread!

Mar wrote:Wow this thread has hit a whole new level of rumour thread!

I'd vote for crons in july. That'd be awesome. /wildspeculation

I'm getting bored following this thread, where is that dude with his D9 dice to tell us all about another new unit?

Due to all this rumour mill I've been playing a few games with my Necrons, and remebering quickly all the reasons why I stopped to begin with. God it's soo easy to get phased by an aggressive player with a solid CC army.

Nah, they're gonna come out on November 11th. Just like everything else.

Anvildude wrote:Nah, they're gonna come out on November 11th. Just like everything else.

I know right! Gonna be so broke that week.

What's coming out on November 11th, aside from the full version of Minecraft?

Scarey Nerd wrote:What's coming out on November 11th, aside from the full version of Minecraft?

Uh, MW3 and Skyrim: Elder Scrolls

King Pariah wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:What's coming out on November 11th, aside from the full version of Minecraft?

Uh, MW3 and Skyrim: Elder Scrolls

Ooo, the second sounds interesting! (No sarcasm for once )

Anyway, slightly back on topic: Come back Yakface! We rumour-starved masses need your nutritious tidbits!

Anvildude wrote:Nah, they're gonna come out on November 11th. Just like everything else.

Along with Skyrim? I'll have to do some serious time scheduling to fit all of this stuff in my day...

(now I want to start crying out again...Dovakhin, Dovakhin...!)

King Pariah wrote:no, it still is, just don't expect changes to units which are already plastic. Or the destroyer lord I guess (though his torso, arms, etc. are pewter, so I guess they're keeping a little pewter?)

I was more thinking any conversion from hybrid metal/plastic to full plastic wouldn't see any large asthetic changes.

KarlPedder wrote:

King Pariah wrote:no, it still is, just don't expect changes to units which are already plastic. Or the destroyer lord I guess (though his torso, arms, etc. are pewter, so I guess they're keeping a little pewter?)

I was more thinking any conversion from hybrid metal/plastic to full plastic wouldn't see any large asthetic changes.

I guess there's that as well.

KarlPedder wrote:

King Pariah wrote:no, it still is, just don't expect changes to units which are already plastic. Or the destroyer lord I guess (though his torso, arms, etc. are pewter, so I guess they're keeping a little pewter?)

I was more thinking any conversion from hybrid metal/plastic to full plastic wouldn't see any large asthetic changes.

But I thought there was a firm rumour that the Lords were going to full (new) Immortal size - which is presumably the same size as the current destoryers as they are bigger than the immortals - and the current pewter destroyer lord torso is slightly smaller than the current destroyers. Maybe the torso is bigger when you don't have the shrinkage of Pewter, or maybe they just don't care if the old smaller Lords are still poster boys

or something to that effect which actually makes sense!

p.s. Kroothawk - you definite about that? If we don't get Incomings! anymore then that means advanced orders released in August!

If the models don't get an update doesn't mean the codex won't


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Kroothawk wrote:In August, expect GW's confirmation of the Necron release

I hope your right, if so that means i get necrons for my birthday

i love how this thread just got shot down by the news of 1) finecast and 2) no incoming e-mails EVER.

kenzosan wrote:i love how this thread just got shot down by the news of 1) finecast and 2) no incoming e-mails EVER.

Is there much point in rumours anymore when we won't get confirmation until the week before the release?

no. but ill be damned if that silences me!

haha, idk, im guessing itll be more like a month before. does anyone really think they will announce preorders ONE WEEK before? thats just bad business.

kenzosan wrote:no. but ill be damned if that silences me!

haha, idk, im guessing itll be more like a month before. does anyone really think they will announce preorders ONE WEEK before? thats just bad business.

From the company that brought you such greats as "Changing to a cheaper material and raising prices", "Giving the truly excess profits to the shareholders, rather than lowering prices" and "Cutting off their fanbase in the Southern portion of the planet", I can believe it.

haha! raising prices on lower cost is, technically speaking, good business... for them, not so much us. cutting off the south, well you got me there.

kenzosan wrote:no. but ill be damned if that silences me!

haha, idk, im guessing itll be more like a month before. does anyone really think they will announce preorders ONE WEEK before? thats just bad business.

Well together with no incoming e-mails also came no pre-orders... Same guy who said there will be no e-mails said that for pre-orders too. Looks like we actually haf ta w8 till the last week

how does that explain the de right now?

kenzosan wrote:how does that explain the de right now?

All the new policy changes and everything goes into effect on the first of June or some such. We know the Razorwing will be released next month but we have received no incoming or pre-order emails. I think it was between the 19-25th it would be released so we will only know for sure in the second week of June. If we dont get an incoming email this week then the rumour is true, it should have been sent out last week so I'm afraid it might actually be true.

First of all, if the release is for August we should have the e-mail at 16th may. We obviously didnt get it. Secondly rumors have said that GW stopped sending incoming e-mails.(and that rumor was pretty old, way before the 16th)
Also, if you check GW site the "Why Register" paragraph it does not mention the sending of incomin e-mails that used to be mentioned, it got deleted, which confirms my previous point. We got an e-mail bout the DE coz they were already there before the new "rule". However, I might be wrong(even tho it's quite impossible i'm never wrong).

Yet they now have sended an E-mail about the incoming Finecast Citadel range? Okay maybe a fewdays from now we will see them alredy xD so maybe now they do it a week before?

From what I have gathered from reading the rumor mill is that we will not hear anything about releases made after July (could be June) until one week before the pre-release. So if that rumor is true, then 'if' necrons are supposed to be released in August or September, we will not know until 14-17 days beforehand (pre-orders are a week or 10 days right?)

Awesome, so now it is even more of a wait and see situation.

Fair enough i guess (mostly coz there buggar all i can do about it).

tiekwando wrote:From what I have gathered from reading the rumor mill is that we will not hear anything about releases made after July (could be June) until one week before the pre-release. So if that rumor is true, then 'if' necrons are supposed to be released in August or September, we will not know until 14-17 days beforehand (pre-orders are a week or 10 days right?)

More like 3-4 weeks before...
Unless thats changed.
But the DE up for advance order, thats been there a couple of weeks hasn't it?

Yeah just checked the thread on the DE release, and it started 11th May...Just under 2 weeks ago, and the DE aren't out until 4th June

i think i'm starting necrons !

Scarey Nerd wrote:

kenzosan wrote:i love how this thread just got shot down by the news of 1) finecast and 2) no incoming e-mails EVER.

Is there much point in rumours anymore when we won't get confirmation until the week before the release?

i think we should just start our rumors. crazy rediculous rumors and see how out of hand they can get!

lowmanjason wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:

kenzosan wrote:i love how this thread just got shot down by the news of 1) finecast and 2) no incoming e-mails EVER.

Is there much point in rumours anymore when we won't get confirmation until the week before the release?

i think we should just start our rumors. crazy rediculous rumors and see how out of hand they can get!

OK, I got one! GW are gonna cut off half the world! Wait, that's a real thing... I know, the new Marines book belittles every other chapter and says they all want to be Ultramarines! Wait, that's real as well...

Crazy and ridiculous... I know! GW are going to do something that pleases their fans! That's pretty ridiculous.

make up our own rumours?........

Apparently the 2 missing primarchs are going to turn up as a new "pariah-type" unit in the new 'Cron codex.

Turns out they were both defeated and captured in their first missions for the Emperor and he thought it would be better to just deny all knowledge than accept the fact that humanity was not the be-all and end-all in the universe.

Praxiss wrote:make up our own rumours?........

Apparently the 2 missing primarchs are going to turn up as a new "pariah-type" unit in the new 'Cron codex.

Turns out they were both defeated and captured in their first missions for the Emperor and he thought it would be better to just deny all knowledge than accept the fact that humanity was not the be-all and end-all in the universe.

I always thought the 2 missing primarchs were girls, and he killed them and their legions because girls have cooties.

Lol. You win.

rodgers37 wrote:More like 3-4 weeks before...
Unless thats changed.
But the DE up for advance order, thats been there a couple of weeks hasn't it?

Yeah just checked the thread on the DE release, and it started 11th May...Just under 2 weeks ago, and the DE aren't out until 4th June

Sadly, GW information policy has changed drastically last week.
No more incoming newsletters, no more preorders 2-3 weeks in advance (reduced to one week), no early black boxes, no preview Codices, no White Dwarf before the release. Yes, a complete embargo on any information until the week of release. Makes rumours more difficult. Makes selling GW stuff more difficult. Makes no sense economically, but here you are.

i heard that the new necron codex is going to include the Hive Mind as a 0-1 Elite and you can use to control all tyranids and kroot with it and its name is.... Henry.

Henry the Hive Mind.

His favourite colur is blue, and he loves Skittles..

One more nail in the coffin of Codex Tyranids 5th ed.

Kroothawk wrote:

rodgers37 wrote:More like 3-4 weeks before...
Unless thats changed.
But the DE up for advance order, thats been there a couple of weeks hasn't it?

Yeah just checked the thread on the DE release, and it started 11th May...Just under 2 weeks ago, and the DE aren't out until 4th June

Sadly, GW information policy has changed drastically last week.
No more incoming newsletters, no more preorders 2-3 weeks in advance (reduced to one week), no early black boxes, no preview Codices, no White Dwarf before the release. Yes, a complete embargo on any information until the week of release. Makes rumours more difficult. Makes selling GW stuff more difficult. Makes no sense economically, but here you are.

Sorry I missed that bit.
I know its already been said, but are GW trying to kill themselves? Its pathetic, how can any company run like this?
They were never perfect, but all there recent changes have made them worse.... I'm not going to stop playing 40k, because i enjoy it and have a number of friends who play, but i don't particularly want to buy from GW anymore at all, and might start looking into alternative games...

Kroothawk wrote:Sadly, GW information policy has changed drastically last week.
No more incoming newsletters, no more preorders 2-3 weeks in advance (reduced to one week), no early black boxes, no preview Codices, no White Dwarf before the release. Yes, a complete embargo on any information until the week of release. Makes rumours more difficult. Makes selling GW stuff more difficult. Makes no sense economically, but here you are.

No more balck boxes? Or they will just come out after the official release? Who released this bit of bad news to you?

Random rumors now?

Ok...

I hear that the Chaos God Malal is actually the nightbringer who is also the hivemind hence the strong tendency of all of them to kill EVERYTHING.

wyomingfox wrote:No more balck boxes? Or they will just come out after the official release? Who released this bit of bad news to you?

Currently it looks like Black Boxes delivered on release day:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/369325.page (more details on page 8)

rodgers37 wrote:I know its already been said, but are GW trying to kill themselves? Its pathetic, how can any company run like this?

I have absolutely no idea.

King Pariah wrote:Random rumors now?

Ok...

I hear that the Chaos God Malal is actually the nightbringer who is also the hivemind hence the strong tendency of all of them to kill EVERYTHING.

come on everybody knew that one already!!!



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rogers37 wrote:Sorry I missed that bit.
I know its already been said, but are GW trying to kill themselves? Its pathetic, how can any company run like this?
They were never perfect, but all there recent changes have made them worse.... I'm not going to stop playing 40k, because i enjoy it and have a number of friends who play, but i don't particularly want to buy from GW anymore at all, and might start looking into alternative games...

how about when they suddenly fired all the GW employees in the midwest region and told a couple you can have your job back, you just need to fill out an application. we had 2 brand new stores open up here in Wisconsin USA (Greenfield 2006 then Kenosh around late 2009) and they had the best staff ever. now they only have one dude per store so they dont really have the time to really get to know their customers like the first crews did and the shops generaly blow now because of this... the new guys are probably real cool kats too but I'll never know because they dont have time like the first crews did. true story, did this happen to any of you? we mis ya Jay and Hoff

by the way, i think i will start a whole new thread for the rediculous false rumours. i think that should be fun. look for it tonight!

I hadn't looked in this thread in quite some time and just popped in to see what useful and exciting Necron news would be posted on the newest page, PAGE 46 of this thread because there just HAD to be great information still being posted here after so many pages. (yes, that was a bit sarcastic). And after glancing at the last page of posts it met my expectations beyond my wildest dreams, which is to say I was expecting to see useless waffling on about nothing related to the original topic after nearly four dozen pages and indeed it has gone light years beyond that. When was the last time something that wasn't superfluous prattle was posted here? Does anyone even remember when the last time news or rumors about Necrons was posted here? Aren't there other threads already for discussing GW's business practices? Yes there are. Wasn't this supposed to be about Necrons? Yes it was.

Seriously, some people definitely have way too much time on their hands. My only question now, why didn't the MODS lock this thread ages ago?

BrassScorpion wrote:I hadn't looked in this thread in quite some time and just popped in to see what useful and exciting Necron news would be posted on the newest page, PAGE 46 of this thread because there just HAD to be great information still being posted here after so many pages. (yes, that was a bit sarcastic). And after glancing at the last page of posts it met my expectations beyond my wildest dreams, which is to say I was expecting to see useless waffling on about nothing related to the original topic after nearly four dozen pages and indeed it has gone light years beyond that. When was the last time something that wasn't superfluous prattle was posted here? Does anyone even remember when the last time news or rumors about Necrons was posted here? Aren't there other threads already for discussing GW's business practices? Yes there are. Wasn't this supposed to be about Necrons? Yes it was.

Seriously, some people definitely have way too much time on their hands. My only question now, why didn't the MODS lock this thread ages ago?

... Wow, chill out dude. If you dont like it, dont read it anymore. Did you acually think there was 46 PAGES of rumors? Sheesh!

Over on warseer apparently there may be a codex page leak showing the warriors and Immortals with several weapon options and whatnot. Quite interesting.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=111030&d=1306285253

BrassScorpion wrote:I hadn't looked in this thread in quite some time and just popped in to see what useful and exciting Necron news would be posted on the newest page, PAGE 46 of this thread because there just HAD to be great information still being posted here after so many pages. (yes, that was a bit sarcastic). And after glancing at the last page of posts it met my expectations beyond my wildest dreams, which is to say I was expecting to see useless waffling on about nothing related to the original topic after nearly four dozen pages and indeed it has gone light years beyond that. When was the last time something that wasn't superfluous prattle was posted here? Does anyone even remember when the last time news or rumors about Necrons was posted here? Aren't there other threads already for discussing GW's business practices? Yes there are. Wasn't this supposed to be about Necrons? Yes it was.

Seriously, some people definitely have way too much time on their hands. My only question now, why didn't the MODS lock this thread ages ago?

Actually, if you even skimmed a little, you'd have saw the whole ordeal about units are becoming resin, and that GW is raising the price of resin over pewter models despite resin being cheaper. That's where the GW business practice sprouted with people putting input on how they felt, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER RUMOR THAT POPPED UP.

So apparently they're going all-out Technobabble on them. Okay, I guess I can understand that. Tomb Kings are all Supah Majikk! and Necrons are all Supah Spayse Maji- I mean Teknologee!!

But Heat-ray Cannons? Annihilator Particle Rifles?

Euclidian disruption shrouds?

Kurgash wrote:Over on warseer apparently there may be a codex page leak showing the warriors and Immortals with several weapon options and whatnot. Quite interesting.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=111030&d=1306285253

Hmmmm.. interesting, but I'm gonna hold out from believing this 100%.

It's treknobabble, hmm.. grimdarknobabble?

'I'm nuking your unit with my reactive lightning fields and tesla annihilators...'

I thought Haemonculi were supposed to to be the mad scientists

I'm not sure if i want to geek out on the ludicrous names, or cringe at the thought of using them

I'm still new, but I have a question on the wording in the leak. When talking about the weapon upgrades, "The entire squad may replace..."
Does that mean that if you replace one, you replace them all?
Does that mean that I can have 2 Tesla weapons, 2 particle weapons and 3 gauss weapons in my 5 man unit?

Oh, I am geeking out on the math/science names.

If the unit size is right, that really surprises me... I mean, GW not taking the chance to make us buy another box or two of warriors?!?!

Anpu-adom wrote:I'm still new, but I have a question on the wording in the leak. When talking about the weapon upgrades, "The entire squad may replace..."
Does that mean that if you replace one, you replace them all?

Yes, according to the wording in that file all the warriors/immortals in the unit would have to have the same weapons.

However, I like the chance of viewing such pages in our new codex, if those are true,... HELL YEAH!! WE POOWWWNNN!! we have the %^*£+%£¨° Reconstrution rule! xD and the firstborn rule must be something nice as well! Damn if my necrons had feelings they would probably smile to see stuff like this! and I like the very destructive sounding names haha

That follows some of the rumours but I do not know something doesn't sit right for me, not sure what.

If the Necrons are released in August then expect the Necron Pre-Orders up on the website on Sat 30th July, and the actual release date one week later on Sat 6th August.

This is how the new releases will work going forward AFTER the release of Storm of Magic.

On the last Saturday of the month Pre-Orders will go up on the website for the next release, followed 1 week later by the actual release (duh!)

On a personal note, I hope the Crons are out soon. I've already decided they have won 40K X-Factor and are signing a contract to be my next army

Very nearly bought a box of warriors yesterday, ended up with a Succubus, Beastmaster and beasts instead

RutgerMan wrote:However, I like the chance of viewing such pages in our new codex, if those are true,... HELL YEAH!! WE POOWWWNNN!! we have the %^*£+%£¨° Reconstrution rule! xD and the firstborn rule must be something nice as well! Damn if my necrons had feelings they would probably smile to see stuff like this! and I like the very destructive sounding names haha

I believe that page to be true, because Necroshell sounds a lot like blood-talon.

It follows the nid codex's armour type convention.

Reinforced chitin, armoured shell, etc .

Not sure that I believe, but it feels about right (goofy names, layout).

*shrug* we'll see...

I'm a bit dyslexic so I totally read their dedicated transport as a war BAR-B-Q... lol.
I could totally see them cruising in on a open top grill.

Armed with twin-linked heat-rays and a briquette thrower

Conversions ahoy

This just doesn' cut it for me..

Well I think I'll wait to put my last battleboxes together.. might do some magnetizing when they finally come out..

Slinky wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:I'm still new, but I have a question on the wording in the leak. When talking about the weapon upgrades, "The entire squad may replace..."
Does that mean that if you replace one, you replace them all?

Yes, according to the wording in that file all the warriors/immortals in the unit would have to have the same weapons.

Thanks for the clarification. I hope that this is true. Depending on how the new WWB works, it might be an interesting to see if people take several small units to get a large variety of weapons, or if they take larger units.

Once again, I bring up unit size. 5-20 for warriors and 5-15 for immortals... With the cost per unit going down, I'm surprised that GW isn't upping the Warriors to 15-30.

Newbbie Question: How common is the 'here's the cost for a unit of 5' and then 'here's the cost for each additional'? Does that appear in other codices?

Ascalam wrote:Armed with twin-linked heat-rays and a briquette thrower

Conversions ahoy

I think I found the 1 man lord transport they were talking about.

Hmmmm, not 100% sure about that leaked page.

Immortal being 15 points more expensive and the only difference between them an Warriors being a +3 save and some other options.........

Saying that it looks pretty authentic. Would be cool if we coudl get someinfo about what the weaposn actually are/do etc.

I am happy to be proved wrong so i will assume this is viable until proved otherwise.

Anpu-adom wrote:Newbbie Question: How common is the 'here's the cost for a unit of 5' and then 'here's the cost for each additional'? Does that appear in other codices?

It's used in Ward's other codices.

AlexHolker wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:Newbbie Question: How common is the 'here's the cost for a unit of 5' and then 'here's the cost for each additional'? Does that appear in other codices?

It's used in Ward's other codices.

Which ones? Out of interest because I have not seen it before.

Swara wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Armed with twin-linked heat-rays and a briquette thrower

Conversions ahoy

I think I found the 1 man lord transport they were talking about.

AWESOME!!!!

Praxiss wrote:Hmmmm, not 100% sure about that leaked page.

Immortal being 15 points more expensive and the only difference between them an Warriors being a +3 save and some other options.........

Saying that it looks pretty authentic. Would be cool if we coudl get someinfo about what the weaposn actually are/do etc.

I am happy to be proved wrong so i will assume this is viable until proved otherwise.

Ummm for 5 points more a model, you get a better Armor save, (probably) better gun, and (probably) better WBB. Not to mention that Immortals also are getting a squad wide piece of wargear(Chronometerons) which if anything like the current piece of Lord Wargear, will be very desirable for the 'dex.

i guess it depends on what the Firstborn rule does.

i do liek the thought of having options in the units though.

Come peeps a peek for work blocked please!!!

I had to look at it on my phone. Damn work internet police again.





EDIT:
DL'd to phone, emailed to work, posted to Dakka Gallery. YAY!!!

Here's the link in the Praxiss's gallery.




Hope that shows up for you. It's not showing up for me at work. Then again, all the gallery images are blocked for me :-(

Reinforced necroshell and fortified necroshell? Sounds a little.... beige sounding names if this turnes out to be true. I'm guessing it's a photoshop issue based on the current rumours.

Yeah, well as no-one else seems to have really said it yet, I'm calling it a fake.

Personally I don't think that's the real deal, it's format appears to be an attempt to emmulate GW's rather than being actual GW. Also, how would they get so clean a copy that appears to come straight from a computer rather than being a photograph/scan/copy/whatever. I don't think even GW would create a 'Gamma ray projector'.

So yes, whether or not I turn out to be right, I'm thinking it's a fake.

Praxiss wrote:i guess it depends on what the Firstborn rule does.

i do liek the thought of having options in the units though.

From the early rumors, one of those rules is giving the Immortals WBB even when the whole squad is wiped out. Which I guess could be the first born rule, the Fortified Necroshell sounds like the Immortals role for WBB on a 4+ and the reinforced Necroshell of the Warriors could be a 5+ WBB. I could see this making sense for all units having a WBB roll the more non-necron units could be rolling on a 6 only, for Scarab Swarms maybe.

Apparently a Barque (see the dedicated trasnport option) is a kind of sail boat with at least 3 masts and square sails.

I was hoping it woudl be soem sort of chariot.

i really hope they aren't turning necrons into 40k pirates. New Lord option - Gauss cutlass and tri-corn night hat.

Praxiss wrote:Apparently a Barque (see the dedicated trasnport option) is a kind of sail boat with at least 3 masts and square sails.

I was hoping it woudl be soem sort of chariot.

i really hope they aren't turning necrons into 40k pirates. New Lord option - Gauss cutlass and tri-corn night hat.

Do I need to hit photoshop again?

Praxiss wrote:Apparently a Barque (see the dedicated trasnport option) is a kind of sail boat with at least 3 masts and square sails.

I was hoping it woudl be soem sort of chariot.

i really hope they aren't turning necrons into 40k pirates. New Lord option - Gauss cutlass and tri-corn night hat.

They will not turn Necrons into pirates, we already have 40k pirates!

Swara wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Apparently a Barque (see the dedicated trasnport option) is a kind of sail boat with at least 3 masts and square sails.

I was hoping it woudl be soem sort of chariot.

i really hope they aren't turning necrons into 40k pirates. New Lord option - Gauss cutlass and tri-corn night hat.

Do I need to hit photoshop again?

This does match some of the concept drawings that were floating around earlier. Barque does mean a three-masted ship, but before that, it just mean a very small boat. Like the kind that Egyptians used to transport stone down the Nile or corpses up. The boat provided for the Pharaoh to travel into the afterlife was a Barque.
From Wikipedia:


Waiting to see necron oarsmen...

Praxiss wrote:Apparently a Barque (see the dedicated trasnport option) is a kind of sail boat with at least 3 masts and square sails.

I was hoping it woudl be soem sort of chariot.

i really hope they aren't turning necrons into 40k pirates. New Lord option - Gauss cutlass and tri-corn night hat.

Idk, a Gauss cutlass sounds pretty tempting, and badass. Maybe they can come with a bottle of rum as well?

I was tempted to make some Necron pirates for a killteam.. might have to do it now!

Necron Captain: We will exterminate all life desecrating our tomb world....savvy?

Not to mention making gauss cannons into some real cannons..

Praxiss wrote:Necron Captain: We will exterminate all life desecrating our tomb world....savvy?

Aye Cap'n! Hoist the Destroyer bodies you scurvy dogs!

Swara wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Apparently a Barque (see the dedicated trasnport option) is a kind of sail boat with at least 3 masts and square sails.

I was hoping it woudl be soem sort of chariot.

i really hope they aren't turning necrons into 40k pirates. New Lord option - Gauss cutlass and tri-corn night hat.

Do I need to hit photoshop again?

yes, please.

I don't know if anybody here played Final Fantasy XI, but they had undead pirates and they were all kinds of awesome. Also the 1st Pirates of the Caribbean had the awesomeness that is undead pirates.

Here's the problem I see with the entries above - the wording for the options is really imprecise. It doesn't make it clear whether the points cost for Euclidean disruption shrouds are 5 points per model or 5 points for the whole squad. Similarly, the wording for the gauss flayer weapon replacement is cloudy on whether or not you have to replace the entire squads' weapons or only a few. I know that that's being really nitpicky, but frankly, GW's done enough of these codices that even if they're cutting and pasting, they've got the wording hammered out to make sure those things are clear. This could be a sheet from a playtest codex, but I have my doubts.

Death By Monkeys wrote:Here's the problem I see with the entries above - the wording for the options is really imprecise. It doesn't make it clear whether the points cost for Euclidean disruption shrouds are 5 points per model or 5 points for the whole squad. Similarly, the wording for the gauss flayer weapon replacement is cloudy on whether or not you have to replace the entire squads' weapons or only a few. I know that that's being really nitpicky, but frankly, GW's done enough of these codices that even if they're cutting and pasting, they've got the wording hammered out to make sure those things are clear. This could be a sheet from a playtest codex, but I have my doubts.

You are right these errors make the image legit, it really is a copy of the upcoming codex!!!


Also Thank you Praxiss you are a hero among dakkaites everywhere.

Death By Monkeys wrote:Here's the problem I see with the entries above - the wording for the options is really imprecise. It doesn't make it clear whether the points cost for Euclidean disruption shrouds are 5 points per model or 5 points for the whole squad. Similarly, the wording for the gauss flayer weapon replacement is cloudy on whether or not you have to replace the entire squads' weapons or only a few. I know that that's being really nitpicky, but frankly, GW's done enough of these codices that even if they're cutting and pasting, they've got the wording hammered out to make sure those things are clear. This could be a sheet from a playtest codex, but I have my doubts.

I agree the disruption shrouds and other upgrades are not totally clear about it... However, the Gauss flayer is crystal clear I think... it does say "the entire squad".

A Pirate I was meant to be, trim the sails and roam the sea!

ashikenshin wrote:

Swara wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Apparently a Barque (see the dedicated trasnport option) is a kind of sail boat with at least 3 masts and square sails.

I was hoping it woudl be soem sort of chariot.

i really hope they aren't turning necrons into 40k pirates. New Lord option - Gauss cutlass and tri-corn night hat.

Do I need to hit photoshop again?

yes, please.

I don't know if anybody here played Final Fantasy XI, but they had undead pirates and they were all kinds of awesome. Also the 1st Pirates of the Caribbean had the awesomeness that is undead pirates.

There is alway the famous:

While I agree its unclear if you pay the points for the squad upgrades like the disruption field at the listed price per model or for the whole squad what makes it unclear is the lack of per model in the cost description like the weapon upgrades have. But I disagree that its unclear that the weapon upgrades must be taken for the whole squad.
"The entire squad may replace their gauss flayers with one of the following" is very different to the "any model may exchange x with y" wording used for units like fire warriors pulse carbines or DE trueborn shardcarbines.

I can already imagine a Necron Lord threatening his enemies by saying "I'm going to lock you up in Davie Jones' locker!"

KarlPedder wrote:While I agree its unclear if you pay the points for the squad upgrades like the disruption field at the listed price per model or for the whole squad what makes it unclear is the lack of per model in the cost description like the weapon upgrades have. But I disagree that its unclear that the weapon upgrades must be taken for the whole squad.
"The entire squad may replace their gauss flayers with one of the following" is very different to the "any model may exchange x with y" wording used for units like fire warriors pulse carbines or DE trueborn shardcarbines.

Right, and I hope this isn't the case that you have to switch every one. I'm in high hopes that you can have mixed special weapons so I can keep my normal necrons and by a couple boxes to create my special guys.
Though this isn't too fluffy. Another option would to have those guard break of to be a unit leader and maybe they can have a special weapon.. that would make me happy, too.

Anpu-adom wrote:

Swara wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Apparently a Barque (see the dedicated trasnport option) is a kind of sail boat with at least 3 masts and square sails.

I was hoping it woudl be soem sort of chariot.

i really hope they aren't turning necrons into 40k pirates. New Lord option - Gauss cutlass and tri-corn night hat.

Do I need to hit photoshop again?

This does match some of the concept drawings that were floating around earlier. Barque does mean a three-masted ship, but before that, it just mean a very small boat. Like the kind that Egyptians used to transport stone down the Nile or corpses up. The boat provided for the Pharaoh to travel into the afterlife was a Barque.
From Wikipedia:


Waiting to see necron oarsmen...

Why does GW keep making skimmer sailboats, I'm a bit tired of this. What's next? New eldar transport called 'Star Galleon'?

Swara wrote:
There is alway the famous:

i really like this picture. and honestly, the space undead skeletons in pirate garb and gear is not really more ridiculous than a number of the existing armies. of course it flies in the face of existing Necrons fluff, but it hardly rises to the level of ridiculous in the overall asylum of absurd armies that is the 40k universe...

-C6

starbomber109 wrote:
Why does GW keep making skimmer sailboats, I'm a bit tired of this. What's next? New eldar transport called 'Star Galleon'?

(random GW mastermind browsing through forums under a fake name):
Star Galleon? How come I have never thought of that before? This HAS to make it to the next Eldar Codex!

I really doubt that its real. Maybe because I don't want to get my hopes up, but probably because there is way to much math/science names in there. Euclidean disruption shrouds, gamma ray projectors... Also I think that it is odd that the warriors and Immortals share no similar weapons upgrades.

That would mean (by the logic of the sheet) that every previous gauss gun, so guass flayer, guass blaster, guass cannon, heavy guass cannon and guass flux arc would get 4 copies (guass, particle, tesla and ray). Which while that would be cool would also give 20 different guns. Seems like a lot, especially when there are still the monoliths blast and the rumored doomsday monolith blast.

tiekwando wrote:I really doubt that its real. Maybe because I don't want to get my hopes up, but probably because there is way to much math/science names in there. Euclidean disruption shrouds, gamma ray projectors... Also I think that it is odd that the warriors and Immortals share no similar weapons upgrades.

That would mean (by the logic of the sheet) that every previous gauss gun, so guass flayer, guass blaster, guass cannon, heavy guass cannon and guass flux arc would get 4 copies (guass, particle, tesla and ray). Which while that would be cool would also give 20 different guns. Seems like a lot, especially when there are still the monoliths blast and the rumored doomsday monolith blast.

Euclidian already exists in Necron terminology, as it's a strategic asset in Planetstrike or one of those books, so it's not toooooo far fetched.

Scarey Nerd wrote:

tiekwando wrote:I really doubt that its real. Maybe because I don't want to get my hopes up, but probably because there is way to much math/science names in there. Euclidean disruption shrouds, gamma ray projectors... Also I think that it is odd that the warriors and Immortals share no similar weapons upgrades.

That would mean (by the logic of the sheet) that every previous gauss gun, so guass flayer, guass blaster, guass cannon, heavy guass cannon and guass flux arc would get 4 copies (guass, particle, tesla and ray). Which while that would be cool would also give 20 different guns. Seems like a lot, especially when there are still the monoliths blast and the rumored doomsday monolith blast.

Euclidian already exists in Necron terminology, as it's a strategic asset in Planetstrike or one of those books, so it's not toooooo far fetched.

Huh didn't know that, well a toast to necron's appreciation of geometry (IIRC)

tiekwando wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:

tiekwando wrote:I really doubt that its real. Maybe because I don't want to get my hopes up, but probably because there is way to much math/science names in there. Euclidean disruption shrouds, gamma ray projectors... Also I think that it is odd that the warriors and Immortals share no similar weapons upgrades.

That would mean (by the logic of the sheet) that every previous gauss gun, so guass flayer, guass blaster, guass cannon, heavy guass cannon and guass flux arc would get 4 copies (guass, particle, tesla and ray). Which while that would be cool would also give 20 different guns. Seems like a lot, especially when there are still the monoliths blast and the rumored doomsday monolith blast.

Euclidian already exists in Necron terminology, as it's a strategic asset in Planetstrike or one of those books, so it's not toooooo far fetched.

Huh didn't know that, well a toast to necron's appreciation of geometry (IIRC)

Sorry to disappoint... Euclidean geometry is the normal, everyday, xyz coordinate space that you are most familiar with. It's nothing like Elliptical or hyperbolic geometries that violate ideas that two parallel lines never touch.

More proof that the pen (or perhaps the proof :-)) is mightier than the sword... if scarabs can use geometry to bust through tank armor. My math teacher would be proud.

Everybody is aware of what Euclidean actually means. We were talking about what it means/if it appeared in the context of Necron fluff, not if GW actually invented the concept of Euclidean geometry.

Darkjediben wrote:Everybody is aware of what Euclidean actually means. We were talking about what it means/if it appeared in the context of Necron fluff, not if GW actually invented the concept of Euclidean geometry.

I'm sorry. I teach, and thus cannot assume that anyone knows something about anything.

Mar wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:Newbbie Question: How common is the 'here's the cost for a unit of 5' and then 'here's the cost for each additional'? Does that appear in other codices?

It's used in Ward's other codices.

Which ones? Out of interest because I have not seen it before.

I think I seen that in the GK codex, because it is new, and follows the patten, I so want that to be true

Marthike wrote:

Mar wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:Newbbie Question: How common is the 'here's the cost for a unit of 5' and then 'here's the cost for each additional'? Does that appear in other codices?

It's used in Ward's other codices.

Which ones? Out of interest because I have not seen it before.

I think I seen that in the GK codex, because it is new, and follows the patten, I so want that to be true

The vanilla SM Codex and Blood Angles dex have that set up also.

Anpu-adom wrote:

Darkjediben wrote:Everybody is aware of what Euclidean actually means. We were talking about what it means/if it appeared in the context of Necron fluff, not if GW actually invented the concept of Euclidean geometry.

I'm sorry. I teach, and thus cannot assume that anyone knows something about anything.

Understandable, fortunately learned about it oh 9 years ago.

Maybe the deceiver taught the greeks in order to confuse the population and leave miserable teenagers in its wake. Caused the Golden age, then the age of darkness (or dark age or whatever that time period where all the technology was lost) so that it could feed! Of course I guess the Ctan are dead(ish?) in the new fluff.

Anyways necrons are the masters of science so I guess they could be the new nerdgasm army. Ancient Egyptian scientists.

The page looks fairly legit, but I'm going to take this with a pinch of salt. We've all seen the fake reference sheet which looked a little like GWs style but obviously wasn't. Gotta say though, the cringeworthy names of the weapons does sound like Wards style so we never kno

BrassScorpion wrote:I hadn't looked in this thread in quite some time and just popped in to see what useful and exciting Necron news would be posted on the newest page, PAGE 46 of this thread because there just HAD to be great information still being posted here after so many pages. (yes, that was a bit sarcastic). And after glancing at the last page of posts it met my expectations beyond my wildest dreams, which is to say I was expecting to see useless waffling on about nothing related to the original topic after nearly four dozen pages and indeed it has gone light years beyond that. When was the last time something that wasn't superfluous prattle was posted here? Does anyone even remember when the last time news or rumors about Necrons was posted here? Aren't there other threads already for discussing GW's business practices? Yes there are. Wasn't this supposed to be about Necrons? Yes it was.

Seriously, some people definitely have way too much time on their hands. My only question now, why didn't the MODS lock this thread ages ago?

Yeah! Come on, everyone, you're clogging the tubes!

The two types of necrodermis (reinforced etc) wil be to explain the 4+ and 3+ saves, in the same way a marine gets power armour to give him a 3+

Much like the various chitin types in the Nid codex.

The names are goofy enough to be likely, unfortunately. :(

I'm just hoping for a book that doesn't read like it was written by a 12 year old trekkie...

Ascalam wrote:Much like the various chitin types in the Nid codex.

The names are goofy enough to be likely, unfortunately. :(

I'm just hoping for a book that doesn't read like it was written by a 12 year old trekkie...

do 12 year olds even know what a trekkie is? I guess they did just make the movie so maybe.

Also if this is true then is the necron lords rumored 2+ save mean that he has a fused necroshell, or maybe plated necroshell?

It's fashioned from the darkest of grimdark necrosteel.

A couple of my friends were raised fundamentalist Trekkie, devout followers of the church...of Shatner...the Wooden.

Trekkies come in 3 flavours, and a variety of packages

When 40k Rogue Trader hit these guys, and my brother and their older sister (gasp.. a female wargamer back then?? surely not ) jumped at it.

One has since lapsed in his trek-faith, while the other (and his sister) are trekkier-than-thou even with their parents

They gave Sis a pair of Spock's ears as a wedding present

While I really hope Mat Ward pulls his punches with the fluff this time (I know he won't but a boy can dream right?) I kind of agree with the titles for the weapons so far. If I recall correctly weren't the Necrontyr all incredible scientists before they were enslaved? If so the nerdy names make sense.

Plus I really want to do Necrons in lab coats, bowties, and thick glasses.

Sort of.

Their tech was (and supposedly is) the highest in the universe.

The Necrontyr HAD good scientists, but i don't think they were all scientists.*shrug*

A morbid, death obsessed, vindictive bunch

Nerdcrons could be fun

I've been wanting to do Old West crons for a while myself

This thing reeks of fake.

The wording doen't fit, and feels nothing more than a grab bag of names.

Barque? Really? REALLY? That's not even clever, and way to close to the DE.

Moopy wrote:Barque? Really? REALLY? That's not even clever, and way to close to the DE.

I guess you know more about Necrons than Jes Goodwin

Honestly if the transports look like that sketch, I think that's about as much as I could hope for, I'd be fairly happy with that kinda look. Ties together monolith and destroyer type hovering look.

Vhalyar wrote:

Moopy wrote:Barque? Really? REALLY? That's not even clever, and way to close to the DE.

I guess you know more about Necrons than Jes Goodwin

Even Jes can come up with really horrible not-even-clever names. You'll also notice that picture has no masts or sails, furthering my confidence that this new "codex entery" is garbage.

Not all Barques did either

Egyptian (primary real-world influence int he rewrite, apparently) Funeral Barques (barque being the western translation. The egyptian is hard to say- dead language ) were rowed, not sailed, and needed no mast or sails.

They rarely went more than a few miles along a wide and non-turbulent river.

Why does everyone have this huge issue with the idea of a funeral barque as a transport? Granted the name isn't inspired, but it is at least pronouncable.

The Dark Eldar skiffs (raider, ravager) are not barques in any way. If anything they seem closer to miniature phoenecian ships or flying biremes without the oars. Completely different historical source

What's so bad about "barque"? It's Barque-esque so call it a barque. Monoliths are monolithic, Warriors are warriors, Immortals seem to never die, Wraiths are ghostly, Tomb Spyders are spidery, The Deciever decieves.

Necron names are just to the point, and the names are actually their Imperial classifications like Tyranid nomenclature.

On the topic of names, if the page is legit, I really like the wargear names, though necroshell sounds a little silly. Just hope we don't get necro-fists, necro-missiles, necro-talons...

asimo77 wrote:What's so bad about "barque"? It's Barque-esque so call it a barque. Monoliths are monolithic, Warriors are warriors, Immortals seem to never die, Wraiths are ghostly, Tomb Spyders are spidery, The Deciever decieves.

Necron names are just to the point, and the names are actually their Imperial classifications like Tyranid nomenclature.

While I would have agreed the Fall of Damnos book seriously undermines this preemise as the Necrons utilize this terminology when reffering to themselves.

That page is fake.

yakface wrote:
That page is fake.

well so much for that rumour

On the topic of names, if the page is legit, I really like the wargear names, though necroshell sounds a little silly. Just hope we don't get necro-fists, necro-missiles, necro-talons...

Don't challenge the fate...

Yakface has spoken!

KarlPedder wrote:

asimo77 wrote:What's so bad about "barque"? It's Barque-esque so call it a barque. Monoliths are monolithic, Warriors are warriors, Immortals seem to never die, Wraiths are ghostly, Tomb Spyders are spidery, The Deciever decieves.

Necron names are just to the point, and the names are actually their Imperial classifications like Tyranid nomenclature.

While I would have agreed the Fall of Damnos book seriously undermines this preemise as the Necrons utilize this terminology when reffering to themselves.

Actually forgot about Damnos there. I'm sure the Necrons have their own names for stuff, we just aren't privy to that information, but at least in the current codex, and other fluff all the Necron names come from Imperial classifications or Eldar translations. Necron Lords are usually named Harbinger of Storms,Sorrows,Pain,Grimdark or we have something like The Silent King as another example. But I bet their real names are quite different, like we had in Damnos: Satah, Ankh, and some others IIRC.

I actually quite like the look of the vehicle in that sketch. Looks like a skimming tomb. They can call it a Barque if they want. I would be less than happy if we do get actual skimmer boat looking things though.

I REALLY hope this codex goes well, if it is crap i will be selling my 'crons and starting a renegade IG army to supplement my IW.


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Vhalyar wrote:

Moopy wrote:Barque? Really? REALLY? That's not even clever, and way to close to the DE.

I guess you know more about Necrons than Jes Goodwin

For those of you who cant follow the link for whatever reason........

I do really like that sketch and I'm assuming that would be the transport that would hold 15. It's look follows the current style just fine.

Here are some ideas for the vehicles... (as found in Warseer by Kelvan)

1. First one is Death Barque with one big cannon and two minor guns. http://kelvan.w.interii.pl/1.%20Death%20Barque.jpg

IMO it looks stupid, especially this big skull at the front. This sketch could fit with Tabitha rumours of MC/Vehicle type thing which is out of Necron theme.

2. Second one is War Barque which looks like hovering Rhino which portal at its front.
http://kelvan.w.interii.pl/2.%20War%20Barque.jpg

3. Here we have War Altars with guns and portals at their front.
http://kelvan.w.interii.pl/3.%20War%20Altars.jpg I think it was prototype of the Monolith an we won't see it.

4. Funeral Barque. This one looks like combination of heavy support and mobile portal warmachine.

http://kelvan.w.interii.pl/4.%20Warm...h%20Portal.jpg

Here is the ready homemade model

http://storage.canalblog.com/11/30/731795/53057450.jpg

5. Last one is simple Barge style warmachine with crew. This one looks like Fast Heavy Support platform with crew mentioned in FOD.
http://kelvan.w.interii.pl/5.%20Warmachine.jpg

Due to Monolith we all used to think that Necrons vehicles don't have any crew or mounted steermans. However, first sketches say something else and if we combine this knowledge with informations obtained from FOD I think we can expect that few vehicles from these sketches for sure would be at new Necron codex.


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So yes... the barque scheme IS visible

Yeah.. really don't like the ones with the giant skulls in the front. Yeah they're "skeletons", but I like the "floating rhino" design quite a bit more.

Same here

Praxiss wrote:Same here

I agree but, the one thing I'm not looking forward to is the assumed inevitability that all of these will be strictly >Transports< and not highly-mobile monolith portals as I would hope they would be (and the fluff would dictate they should be)...

It'll be interesting to see what they end up being or if they even exist... Personally, I find a good amount of Yak's rumours highly improbable and find other rumour sets equally or more plausible.

Wouldn't it be nice (fluff-wise) if a unit with more than 1 wound enters one of these monolith-like portals it exits at full strength.

Broken?

Anpu-adom wrote:Wouldn't it be nice (fluff-wise) if a unit with more than 1 wound enters one of these monolith-like portals it exits at full strength.

Broken?

Space Wolves get JOTWW. It's not broken, it's justice.

Fr0z3n wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Same here

I agree but, the one thing I'm not looking forward to is the assumed inevitability that all of these will be strictly >Transports< and not highly-mobile monolith portals as I would hope they would be (and the fluff would dictate they should be)...

I fail to see how mobile portals aren't what the fluff would dictate so they might work a different way mechanically to the Monolith portal but that doesn't mean the existing mechanics for transports can't fit the Necrons make it so models embarked cant shoot (if they are indeed open topped as rumored) maybe embarked models go into reserve when the vehicle is destroyed instead of emergency disembark, put a portal on the front, make it look like the max transport capacity couldn't physically fit in the transport. All ways that make the transports thematically mobile portals instead of traditional transports but utilizing to a large extent an already widely understood mechanic.

Fr0z3n wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Same here

I agree but, the one thing I'm not looking forward to is the assumed inevitability that all of these will be strictly >Transports< and not highly-mobile monolith portals as I would hope they would be (and the fluff would dictate they should be)...

It'll be interesting to see what they end up being or if they even exist... Personally, I find a good amount of Yak's rumours highly improbable and find other rumour sets equally or more plausible.

Its a new codex, brand new fluff. Dont compare what seems to be the new rules/units with the old fluff(Which was nearly zero) as there will be new fluff supporting those units and rules. Necrons might be some undead chicken tomorrow and happy clowns. That WILL be their fluff and they will never be refered to as undead machines. They wont be no more. Current fluff is for the current rules/units. Get over it. Its gonna change. I know this will probably upset some people but the new fluff cant be any worst. We currently have nearly no fluff, anything will be an improvement. And who knoes in the end we might all like the transports.

necr0n wrote:

Fr0z3n wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Same here

I agree but, the one thing I'm not looking forward to is the assumed inevitability that all of these will be strictly >Transports< and not highly-mobile monolith portals as I would hope they would be (and the fluff would dictate they should be)...

It'll be interesting to see what they end up being or if they even exist... Personally, I find a good amount of Yak's rumours highly improbable and find other rumour sets equally or more plausible.

Its a new codex, brand new fluff. Dont compare what seems to be the new rules/units with the old fluff(Which was nearly zero) as there will be new fluff supporting those units and rules. Necrons might be some undead chicken tomorrow and happy clowns. That WILL be their fluff and they will never be refered to as undead machines. They wont be no more. Current fluff is for the current rules/units. Get over it. Its gonna change. I know this will probably upset some people but the new fluff cant be any worst. We currently have nearly no fluff, anything will be an improvement. And who knoes in the end we might all like the transports.

This is it basically we must wait till we have something solid, have faith and time will tell!

Anpu-adom wrote:Wouldn't it be nice (fluff-wise) if a unit with more than 1 wound enters one of these monolith-like portals it exits at full strength.

Broken?

Wouldn't it be nice if the multi-wound models continued to fix themselves after they get back up from dead? Why does it just stop at the bear minimum? *Shrug*

Mar wrote:

necr0n wrote:

Fr0z3n wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Same here

I agree but, the one thing I'm not looking forward to is the assumed inevitability that all of these will be strictly >Transports< and not highly-mobile monolith portals as I would hope they would be (and the fluff would dictate they should be)...

It'll be interesting to see what they end up being or if they even exist... Personally, I find a good amount of Yak's rumours highly improbable and find other rumour sets equally or more plausible.

Its a new codex, brand new fluff. Dont compare what seems to be the new rules/units with the old fluff(Which was nearly zero) as there will be new fluff supporting those units and rules. Necrons might be some undead chicken tomorrow and happy clowns. That WILL be their fluff and they will never be refered to as undead machines. They wont be no more. Current fluff is for the current rules/units. Get over it. Its gonna change. I know this will probably upset some people but the new fluff cant be any worst. We currently have nearly no fluff, anything will be an improvement. And who knoes in the end we might all like the transports.

This is it basically we must wait till we have something solid, have faith and time will tell!

I was re-reading the 3rd edition codex and yeah I will be happy to have a bit more fluff for my army. Basically the whole thing is just about the 'war in heaven' against the old ones and the Ctan.

Kevin949 wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:Wouldn't it be nice (fluff-wise) if a unit with more than 1 wound enters one of these monolith-like portals it exits at full strength.

Broken?

Wouldn't it be nice if the multi-wound models continued to fix themselves after they get back up from dead? Why does it just stop at the bear minimum? *Shrug*

"And now I roll to see if my wounded models recover any wounds....."
(5 minutes later)...
"And now I see if any of my downed models get back up..."
(5 minutes later)...
"And now I start my movement phase..."


Can anyone remind me why I want to pick up a game where the above scenario is "Good" game design?

Or how about...

"Now I see if my guys hit your guys. (5 minutes)
Now I see if my guys hurt your guys. (5 minutes)
Now we see if my guys actually hit your guys because your guys are standing in grass that is up to their knees instead of grass that is ankle length
or
we'll see if you guys' armor deflects enough of the blast so that he isn't really hurt in the first place."

Seems to me, however you put it... a roll to negate the effect of TWO rolls is bad game design. *sigh* but I love how the necrons look.

Anpu-adom wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:Wouldn't it be nice (fluff-wise) if a unit with more than 1 wound enters one of these monolith-like portals it exits at full strength.

Broken?

Wouldn't it be nice if the multi-wound models continued to fix themselves after they get back up from dead? Why does it just stop at the bear minimum? *Shrug*

"And now I roll to see if my wounded models recover any wounds....."
(5 minutes later)...
"And now I see if any of my downed models get back up..."
(5 minutes later)...
"And now I start my movement phase..."


Can anyone remind me why I want to pick up a game where the above scenario is "Good" game design?

Or how about...

"Now I see if my guys hit your guys. (5 minutes)
Now I see if my guys hurt your guys. (5 minutes)
Now we see if my guys actually hit your guys because your guys are standing in grass that is up to their knees instead of grass that is ankle length
or
we'll see if you guys' armor deflects enough of the blast so that he isn't really hurt in the first place."

Seems to me, however you put it... a roll to negate the effect of TWO rolls is bad game design. *sigh* but I love how the necrons look.

Well, other than lords the only multi-wound models are scarabs and tomb spyders (oh and C'tan but they're not "necrons" currently) sooo...wouldn't really be that difficult to keep track of.

As for your last statement, there are actually many models that allow for two rolls to negate your two rolls that only requires one success to negate your mandatory two success to hit and wound. Fewer still are models that allow you to ignore X amount of damage outright or regenerate old damage negating even MORE. So...ya...

Kevin949 wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:

...
"Now I see if my guys hit your guys. (5 minutes)
Now I see if my guys hurt your guys. (5 minutes)
Now we see if my guys actually hit your guys because your guys are standing in grass that is up to their knees instead of grass that is ankle length
or
we'll see if you guys' armor deflects enough of the blast so that he isn't really hurt in the first place."

Seems to me, however you put it... a roll to negate the effect of TWO rolls is bad game design. *sigh* but I love how the necrons look.

Well, other than lords the only multi-wound models are scarabs and tomb spyders (oh and C'tan but they're not "necrons" currently) sooo...wouldn't really be that difficult to keep track of.

As for your last statement, there are actually many models that allow for two rolls to negate your two rolls that only requires one success to negate your mandatory two success to hit and wound. Fewer still are models that allow you to ignore X amount of damage outright or regenerate old damage negating even MORE. So...ya...

LOL! Yes, I am new. One success on two rolls to negate two successful rolls...
Did Games Workshop advise when they developed the US Tax Code?

So, the rules aren't making me want to learn this game. It's not making me want to teach this game to my students.
I hear Privateer Press is having a great sale right now.

Then go play that game. Nobody is asking you to "teach this game to your students". There are plenty of us that enjoy a little added complexity in our games, as shown by the large number of people who play warhammer. If you don't like it, go play something else.

Quite frankly what is wrong with floating crypts with the undead inside? Sounds awfully fluffy to me. Like floating cemetary!

Anpu-adom wrote:
LOL! Yes, I am new. One success on two rolls to negate two successful rolls...
Did Games Workshop advise when they developed the US Tax Code?

So, the rules aren't making me want to learn this game. It's not making me want to teach this game to my students.
I hear Privateer Press is having a great sale right now.

Meh, the game is still fun. As long as you play for fun anyway. Tourneys can get heated in rules debates from what I hear (I don't play in tourneys). Anyway, even a game like warmachine will have it's facets of rules that are just ridiculous or don't make any sense to you (I've read over the quick start, and I'm interested in it but I can see some stuff that would make it stale). Just because there's one facet of the way the game plays that you (by your own admission) don't understand and haven't played doesn't mean anything. Try playing the game (an actual game, not what the red shirts in the store have you do as a "trial") and you'll get it. You'll see that terrain layout can make or break your game. Heck, if you don't like the terrain rules then don't play with them. You don't HAVE to follow every rule if you're playing with friends.

Darkjediben wrote:Then go play that game. Nobody is asking you to "teach this game to your students". There are plenty of us that enjoy a little added complexity in our games, as shown by the large number of people who play warhammer. If you don't like it, go play something else.

Thank you for your opinion. Matter of fact, I have been asked to teach this game to my students. Seems that I will start with 'something else', however.

Kevin949 wrote:

Meh, the game is still fun. As long as you play for fun anyway. Tourneys can get heated in rules debates from what I hear (I don't play in tourneys). Anyway, even a game like warmachine will have it's facets of rules that are just ridiculous or don't make any sense to you (I've read over the quick start, and I'm interested in it but I can see some stuff that would make it stale). Just because there's one facet of the way the game plays that you (by your own admission) don't understand and haven't played doesn't mean anything. Try playing the game (an actual game, not what the red shirts in the store have you do as a "trial") and you'll get it. You'll see that terrain layout can make or break your game. Heck, if you don't like the terrain rules then don't play with them. You don't HAVE to follow every rule if you're playing with friends.

Thank you for the reminder, that I am not an expert on these games and that certain rules can be ignored if they get in the way of fun.

necr0n wrote:

Fr0z3n wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Same here

I agree but, the one thing I'm not looking forward to is the assumed inevitability that all of these will be strictly >Transports< and not highly-mobile monolith portals as I would hope they would be (and the fluff would dictate they should be)...

It'll be interesting to see what they end up being or if they even exist... Personally, I find a good amount of Yak's rumours highly improbable and find other rumour sets equally or more plausible.

Its a new codex, brand new fluff. Dont compare what seems to be the new rules/units with the old fluff(Which was nearly zero) as there will be new fluff supporting those units and rules. Necrons might be some undead chicken tomorrow and happy clowns. That WILL be their fluff and they will never be refered to as undead machines. They wont be no more. Current fluff is for the current rules/units. Get over it. Its gonna change. I know this will probably upset some people but the new fluff cant be any worst. We currently have nearly no fluff, anything will be an improvement. And who knoes in the end we might all like the transports.

"the old fluff(Which was nearly zero)" ........ the Fall of Damnos book (that's by no stretch of the imagination "old") is nearly zero? I find it funny you consider an entirely necron-devoted Black Library novel "nearly nothing" .... insert 25 cents and try again?

http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/Fall-of-Damnos.html

EDITS: Grammar, Link

It is necron themed, but doesn't really answer much about the Necrons (where they came from, what they are like, how their science works etc) at all. It barely even describes the necrons.

All you really get from the novel is that the Lords are bat-crap crazy and die way too easily

Also the Fall of Damnos is supposed to end with a hurried evacuation of the planet, leaving the Necrons the victors.
(source- 5th ed rulebook, and earlier fluff)

The novel doesn't end this way at all. It might do if it was continued to that point in the fluff, but the way it is written suggests a marine assault far more than a fighting retreat. The book ends in the middle of the story, effectively, before the marines get their power-armoured butts handed to them and are driven off the planet.

It's a good read, but definitely marine flavoured, like almost all BL books. It gives buckets more fluff about the Ultramarines (like we needed more) than it does about the Necrons.

Ascalam wrote:It is necron themed, but doesn't really answer much about the Necrons (where they came from, what they are like, how their science works etc) at all. It barely even describes the necrons.

All you really get from the novel is that the Lords are bat-crap crazy and die way too easily

Also the Fall of Damnos is supposed to end with a hurried evacuation of the planet, leaving the Necrons the victors.
(source- 5th ed rulebook, and earlier fluff)

The novel doesn't end this way at all. It might do if it was continued to that point in the fluff, but the way it is written suggests a marine assault far more than a fighting retreat. The book ends in the middle of the story, effectively, before the marines get their power-armoured butts handed to them and are driven off the planet.

It's a good read, but definitely marine flavoured, like almost all BL books. It gives buckets more fluff about the Ultramarines (like we needed more) than it does about the Necrons.

I agree, but it does give us bare-bones Necron fluff including acknowledgements of their technology being eons ahead of any race in the universe... that's always been their fluff and there's an exact quote in the Necron Codex, FoD book and maybe the 5th ed rulebook(?) that's either that same wording or something along those lines...

You can't tell me I'm the only one who finds it a little funky that a race, who is exclusively described as having technology beyond the comprehension of any other race in the universe, is floating around on open-topped skimmers after openly displaying a powerful aptitude for teleportation technologies....

Do you see the disconnect?

I do

I'm not exactly sold on the skimmers myself, though i wont officially hate them until i can see one close up and read the codex.

I would by far prefer deep-strikable 'drop pod' gates (a cross between webway portal and drop pod) but if GW finds out i like something they invariably make the opposite or discontnue it if it already exists.

My question- If they have a gun powerful enough to vaporise a battleship why are they bothering shelling a city?

Also why are they plodding around in small units being bolter-bait instead of fooosh- fooming to a spot behind the Big Shoulderpad Smurfs and gunning them down , preferably with overwhelming firepower

I want to read a BL book that follows the art from rogue trader/2nd edition. It was common then for the marines to be in 'famous last stand' arrangements, being gunned down by the other folk. I want a book where the marine commanders go down like chumps to one or two xeno basic troopers It would be a refreshing change

Any idea when gw is gonna put out a date?

Given the data clampdown, nothing solid.

Best guess is August so far i think.

totentanzen wrote:Any idea when gw is gonna put out a date?

Some time between now and "the day after never."

Fr0z3n wrote:

Ascalam wrote:It is necron themed, but doesn't really answer much about the Necrons (where they came from, what they are like, how their science works etc) at all. It barely even describes the necrons.

All you really get from the novel is that the Lords are bat-crap crazy and die way too easily

Also the Fall of Damnos is supposed to end with a hurried evacuation of the planet, leaving the Necrons the victors.
(source- 5th ed rulebook, and earlier fluff)

The novel doesn't end this way at all. It might do if it was continued to that point in the fluff, but the way it is written suggests a marine assault far more than a fighting retreat. The book ends in the middle of the story, effectively, before the marines get their power-armoured butts handed to them and are driven off the planet.

It's a good read, but definitely marine flavoured, like almost all BL books. It gives buckets more fluff about the Ultramarines (like we needed more) than it does about the Necrons.

There are a total of 4 books I can think of that mention necrons and only one of them feature them prominantly, the Fall of Damnos, Dead Men Walking (though its all from the imperial guard side) then there is Nightbringer (i think a total of 1 chapter) and then finally one of the Dark Apostle books (might even be called that, has about 10 pages). So yeah necrons do not have a whole lot on them. Except for being masters of science.

totentanzen wrote:Any idea when gw is gonna put out a date?

Release is pretty resoundingly rumoured to be in August. However, There are no more Incoming! emails thus, we have not the foggiest idea. They could do some sort of Incoming-esque preview or they could be shutting down the spoilers entirely until a week or 2 before release.

Seeing as they need time to wrack up a pre-order base, I would have to assume that from a business perspective they logically should let us know within the next 2-3 weeks tops. But lets face it, GW... logical? Let's not keep our fingers crossed.

I really wish they wouldn't have killed the Incoming! e-mail's. I'm trying to decide on whether or not to start my necron army now or wait.

Ascalam wrote:My question- If they have a gun powerful enough to vaporise a battleship why are they bothering shelling a city?

Also why are they plodding around in small units being bolter-bait instead of fooosh- fooming to a spot behind the Big Shoulderpad Smurfs and gunning them down , preferably with overwhelming firepower

1. Quite simply, it's not as scary. Necrons like to destroy all major threats, then take their time destroying the rest, it makes their victory more delicious. At least, that's what I drew from it.

2. Because otherwise the Marines wouldn't win

voryn15 wrote:I really wish they wouldn't have killed the Incoming! e-mail's. I'm trying to decide on whether or not to start my necron army now or wait.

monoliths and warriors are probably safe as far as rumors are concerned. Otherwise who knows

tiekwando wrote:

Fr0z3n wrote:

Ascalam wrote:It is necron themed, but doesn't really answer much about the Necrons (where they came from, what they are like, how their science works etc) at all. It barely even describes the necrons.

All you really get from the novel is that the Lords are bat-crap crazy and die way too easily

Also the Fall of Damnos is supposed to end with a hurried evacuation of the planet, leaving the Necrons the victors.
(source- 5th ed rulebook, and earlier fluff)

The novel doesn't end this way at all. It might do if it was continued to that point in the fluff, but the way it is written suggests a marine assault far more than a fighting retreat. The book ends in the middle of the story, effectively, before the marines get their power-armoured butts handed to them and are driven off the planet.

It's a good read, but definitely marine flavoured, like almost all BL books. It gives buckets more fluff about the Ultramarines (like we needed more) than it does about the Necrons.

There are a total of 4 books I can think of that mention necrons and only one of them feature them prominantly, the Fall of Damnos, Dead Men Walking (though its all from the imperial guard side) then there is Nightbringer (i think a total of 1 chapter) and then finally one of the Dark Apostle books (might even be called that, has about 10 pages). So yeah necrons do not have a whole lot on them. Except for being masters of science.

5 including Hell Forged the Soul Drinkers Novel

Scarey Nerd wrote:

Ascalam wrote:My question- If they have a gun powerful enough to vaporise a battleship why are they bothering shelling a city?

Also why are they plodding around in small units being bolter-bait instead of fooosh- fooming to a spot behind the Big Shoulderpad Smurfs and gunning them down , preferably with overwhelming firepower

1. Quite simply, it's not as scary. Necrons like to destroy all major threats, then take their time destroying the rest, it makes their victory more delicious. At least, that's what I drew from it.

2. Because otherwise the Marines wouldn't win

It doesn't come across as scary in the seige situation either It's more a case of 'oh look! Marines Now we can't lose '

Scary would be a company landing, and getting whittled down to a squad, one by one, with them all wounded and getting freaked out despite their impressive training, preferably running low on ammo or out altogether and having to scavenge it from their eviscerated buddies Just saying..

The bits with the scarabs and spyders tunnelling in and killing is nicely creepy, but the rest of it just makes the Necron Lords look incompetent

Re 2/. They're not supposed to win this one :( It would be like having the Sororitas win Sanctuary 101

Just because BL has a severe case of priapism for the Marines shouldn't mean that they get to rewrite every loss as a win *rant*

They always will, though

tiekwando wrote:
There are a total of 4 books I can think of that mention necrons and only one of them feature them prominantly, the Fall of Damnos, Dead Men Walking (though its all from the imperial guard side) then there is Nightbringer (i think a total of 1 chapter) and then finally one of the Dark Apostle books (might even be called that, has about 10 pages). So yeah necrons do not have a whole lot on them. Except for being masters of science.

Well NIGHTBRINGER was more than just a chapter about Necrons it was about a crazy human and Dark Eldar thinking they could control the Nightbringer once he released or woke it or whatever. My beef with that book was that they made The Nightbringer afraid of a melta bomb. I know it won’t kill you but you will be trapped underneath all this rubble blah blah blah. Like he couldn’t just phase through the rubble!

But i would like to hear more about the battle in the current Necrons codex with it Cadians being slaughtered or the BTs getting waxed and that Marshal Augustine was killed by wraiths. That story mentioned all kinds of different Necrons, not just "tall metal skeletons with glowing green eyes and guns". It really bugs me when that is the only description these books ever use for them. But then again Nightbringer is the only one I've read yet. Hopefully they aren’t as bland in the others as soon plan to get them.

lowmanjason wrote:
Well NIGHTBRINGER was more than just a chapter about Necrons it was about a crazy human and Dark Eldar thinking they could control the Nightbringer once he released or woke it or whatever. My beef with that book was that they made The Nightbringer afraid of a melta bomb. I know it won’t kill you but you will be trapped underneath all this rubble blah blah blah. Like he couldn’t just phase through the rubble!

But i would like to hear more about the battle in the current Necrons codex with it Cadians being slaughtered or the BTs getting waxed and that Marshal Augustine was killed by wraiths. That story mentioned all kinds of different Necrons, not just "tall metal skeletons with glowing green eyes and guns". It really bugs me when that is the only description these books ever use for them. But then again Nightbringer is the only one I've read yet. Hopefully they aren’t as bland in the others as soon plan to get them.

I did think the bit with the Nightbringer and the Meltabomb was a bit weird, but assumed that it was because he was weak or that he didn't want the key to his mega-ship being destroyed - what I'd like to see is the Nghtbringer taking his legions to Macragge to get his key back I did like the hidden point though that the Nightbringer had orchestrated the whole scenario from within his sleep! That's why the Human guy had such terrible visions and the need to inflict pain etc.

Dead Men Walking shows the difference in deployment between Warriors, Immortals and Wraiths and the ease with which the Necrons can push back Imperial forces but the protagonists are unlikeable making it a rather dull read.

On the subject of "new" models, I like the sketch of the floating Rhino/mini monolith - as others have said, I'd much rather that than floating boats which would remind me too much of DE even if they are totally different boat types.

Fr0z3n wrote:

necr0n wrote:

Fr0z3n wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Same here

I agree but, the one thing I'm not looking forward to is the assumed inevitability that all of these will be strictly >Transports< and not highly-mobile monolith portals as I would hope they would be (and the fluff would dictate they should be)...

It'll be interesting to see what they end up being or if they even exist... Personally, I find a good amount of Yak's rumours highly improbable and find other rumour sets equally or more plausible.

Its a new codex, brand new fluff. Dont compare what seems to be the new rules/units with the old fluff(Which was nearly zero) as there will be new fluff supporting those units and rules. Necrons might be some undead chicken tomorrow and happy clowns. That WILL be their fluff and they will never be refered to as undead machines. They wont be no more. Current fluff is for the current rules/units. Get over it. Its gonna change. I know this will probably upset some people but the new fluff cant be any worst. We currently have nearly no fluff, anything will be an improvement. And who knoes in the end we might all like the transports.

"the old fluff(Which was nearly zero)" ........ the Fall of Damnos book (that's by no stretch of the imagination "old") is nearly zero? I find it funny you consider an entirely necron-devoted Black Library novel "nearly nothing" .... insert 25 cents and try again?

http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/Fall-of-Damnos.html

EDITS: Grammar, Link

Duuuude... hold on a sec... We seriously know nothing about necrons... There is no fluff.The only fluff we've got is "war in heaven" in the codex and the brand new(possibly based on the new 'dex's fluff) Fall of Damnos. And to tell you the truth, i have read it and didnt find anything new.. Exept the architects and the wakening part, I got no new things for necrons. Also, FoD is devoted on space-marines... Seriously, have you read it?