Tyrs13 wrote:Wraiths:
There is no Strength 6 power weapon that should go at initiative 6.
Think of a what a Powerfist with initiative 6 would do ... its almost the same effect minus insta death. No army should have an I win button for any kind of combat.
You can have an advantage but it should a chance to save or cost a hell of a lot.

Grim.Badger wrote:

Tyrs13 wrote:Wraiths:
There is no Strength 6 power weapon that should go at initiative 6.
Think of a what a Powerfist with initiative 6 would do ... its almost the same effect minus insta death. No army should have an I win button for any kind of combat.
You can have an advantage but it should a chance to save or cost a hell of a lot.

You mean other than the Swarmlord, which is also WS9 with 5 wounds? And the 'Nids have a couple more with similar strength and initiative whilst also being Monstrous Creatures - their downside is that they're one-offs rather than units, but I expect that the Wraiths will also have their downsides (personally I think they'll lose their invulnerable but gain some sort of permanent cover save, stay at 1 wound, have average (4) WS and toughness and obviously no guns). But like the Lictor, their closests equivalent, I doubt they'll be cheap.
Power weapons fit their fluff far too well for them not to get them IMO

Sir Harry Flashman, VC wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Didn't i read somewhere that Scarabs will count as Beasts? If this is the case then i think they can move 12" adn charge 12", so they still get the 24" movement but now they can charge after it!!



Saying that i might be getting mixed up with cavalry rules......

From what I can remember in 40k it's 6" move and a 12" charge, which is plenty if you can teleport about.


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More Blood of Kittens stuff here, a dump truck of salt would be useful but this stuff sounds awesome if true:

Apparently the last one went over well. So I get to do more of them! Any time internet guys stop complaining about Matt Ward long enough to complain about me… I like to do that thing over again.
Did I mention how much I love the Matt Ward hate? Cus most of it is ridiculous… like complaining about his balance in the same sentence as they complain about Space Wolves and Imperial Guard. OOOH, or whining about his terrible fluff when it holds up just fine to all the rest… I mean… there is an entire army of Football Hooligans. This game is INSANE, why so serious?
But I digress. Time to dig into my bag of dice and drop the trusty d6 and pic an Elite. Mmm savory-savory elites. Over on the REAL Earth we love elites. Most armies fill up all 3. Maybe it’s a different metagame, maybe it’s our love of fried cucumber. I don’t know and I don’t pretend to know.
So yeah, who wants to hear about the new jump infantry? Well to bad, I rolled up C’tan. Shall I start with the part that will freak people out? The C’Tan done got overthrown by the Necrons, they are the slaves. It’s actually pretty cool when everyone is done clinching their bums. The shards of those gods serve as weapons of war in service of the Necron Empire. Also, they might not all be dead, so you know, these are just the ones the Necrons dominated.
So, they start off at a bit under 200 points, their stats are more or less the same as before. They have everything a monstrous creature needs (Eternal Warrior, Fearless) and there are nearly a dozen options for them to take. You can use those points to create the C’Tan you’re used to seeing, or you can mix and match as you see fit. Who knows what god your particular Shard came from! The abilities range from 10 to 50 points, so I’ll tackle them in some random and useless order.
First is the ability to decay vehicles and armour like some other Necron units. Considering the power of a monstrous creature against both armour saves and vehicles, this one isn’t so hot, but it is cheap.
I often wish I could look at someone and kill them. Like you, the person reading this right now. Well that’s how this gaze works as well. Slap the large blast down on top of the C’tan and you hit everything but the C’tan with a str 3 hit, no armour allowed. Then, if you kill at least one dudemans you get a wound back.
The classic Illusion power of the deceiver still allows you to redeploy 1d3 units after scouts moves. I like that one a lot. Lets you deploy first, put a big line of 20 warriors up front, shoves the enemy back… then BAM, they back with the phalanx.
Some god’s really like fire, and can make any flame/fire/heat/warm/dutch oven weapons explode like plasma weapons. It’s particularly good against all the close range melta that put wounds on a C’tan.
Two shooting attacks aren’t bad at all, and the C’tan can take a large blast or an assault 8, both at strength 4. It gets the job done and lets them effect the battle field before they can assault. A thirds one is a bit bigger, clocking in at lascannon stats at half the range.
Another neat trick its jabbing with the world, causing everything within assault distance of the C’Tan to test dangerous terrain, or to mishap more often on deep strike. It’s a clever way to put some wounds on a horde.
Kick up some dust and you get assault and defensive grenades, as well as stealth. It may not sound that useful, but defensive grenades really slow down the “loads of attacks” approach to killing a C’tan, and stealth is better than you think, considering that a 4+ invulnerable isn’t better than most cover… but a 3+ cover (when it happens) is nice. Oh, and Monoliths are big enough to block.
Like monsters that mess with temporal anomalies? Then look no further. Rip em up with C’tan, if they fail a single initiative test BAM, no saves of any kind… one model of your choice is just gone (in the assault). Say goodbye to that pesky warboss or nidzilla monster.
Last, but not least, or maybe least. No this one is awesome. How about the whole battlefield is difficult and dangerous terrain? Yeah… yeah I like that one too. Makes the C’tan a pretty big target though.
So all in all, if you took every ability, you’d be dropping 505 points on a single C’tan. Obviously that would be silly, but if you accept a Land Raider level price tag you can get a powerful monster that really shapes your battle plans. Or better yet… 3.

Grim.Badger wrote:

Tyrs13 wrote:Wraiths:
There is no Strength 6 power weapon that should go at initiative 6.
Think of a what a Powerfist with initiative 6 would do ... its almost the same effect minus insta death. No army should have an I win button for any kind of combat.
You can have an advantage but it should a chance to save or cost a hell of a lot.

You mean other than the Swarmlord, which is also WS9 with 5 wounds? And the 'Nids have a couple more with similar strength and initiative whilst also being Monstrous Creatures - their downside is that they're one-offs rather than units, but I expect that the Wraiths will also have their downsides (personally I think they'll lose their invulnerable but gain some sort of permanent cover save, stay at 1 wound, have average (4) WS and toughness and obviously no guns). But like the Lictor, their closests equivalent, I doubt they'll be cheap.
Power weapons fit their fluff far too well for them not to get them IMO

EDIT: Also, am I the only one that doesn't like the fact that they seem to be writing the Pariah Gene and Mutes out of the game?

Sir Harry Flashman, VC wrote:More Blood of Kittens stuff here, a dump truck of salt would be useful but this stuff sounds awesome if true:

Apparently the last one went over well. So I get to do more of them! Any time internet guys stop complaining about Matt Ward long enough to complain about me… I like to do that thing over again.
Did I mention how much I love the Matt Ward hate? Cus most of it is ridiculous… like complaining about his balance in the same sentence as they complain about Space Wolves and Imperial Guard. OOOH, or whining about his terrible fluff when it holds up just fine to all the rest… I mean… there is an entire army of Football Hooligans. This game is INSANE, why so serious?

But I digress. Time to dig into my bag of dice and drop the trusty d6 and pic an Elite. Mmm savory-savory elites. Over on the REAL Earth we love elites. Most armies fill up all 3. Maybe it’s a different metagame, maybe it’s our love of fried cucumber. I don’t know and I don’t pretend to know.

So yeah, who wants to hear about the new jump infantry? Well to bad, I rolled up C’tan. Shall I start with the part that will freak people out? The C’Tan done got overthrown by the Necrons, they are the slaves. It’s actually pretty cool when everyone is done clinching their bums. The shards of those gods serve as weapons of war in service of the Necron Empire. Also, they might not all be dead, so you know, these are just the ones the Necrons dominated.

So, they start off at a bit under 200 points, their stats are more or less the same as before. They have everything a monstrous creature needs (Eternal Warrior, Fearless) and there are nearly a dozen options for them to take. You can use those points to create the C’Tan you’re used to seeing, or you can mix and match as you see fit. Who knows what god your particular Shard came from! The abilities range from 10 to 50 points, so I’ll tackle them in some random and useless order.

First is the ability to decay vehicles and armour like some other Necron units. Considering the power of a monstrous creature against both armour saves and vehicles, this one isn’t so hot, but it is cheap.
I often wish I could look at someone and kill them. Like you, the person reading this right now. Well that’s how this gaze works as well. Slap the large blast down on top of the C’tan and you hit everything but the C’tan with a str 3 hit, no armour allowed. Then, if you kill at least one dudemans you get a wound back.
The classic Illusion power of the deceiver still allows you to redeploy 1d3 units after scouts moves. I like that one a lot. Lets you deploy first, put a big line of 20 warriors up front, shoves the enemy back… then BAM, they back with the phalanx.
Some god’s really like fire, and can make any flame/fire/heat/warm/dutch oven weapons explode like plasma weapons. It’s particularly good against all the close range melta that put wounds on a C’tan.
Two shooting attacks aren’t bad at all, and the C’tan can take a large blast or an assault 8, both at strength 4. It gets the job done and lets them effect the battle field before they can assault. A thirds one is a bit bigger, clocking in at lascannon stats at half the range.

Another neat trick its jabbing with the world, causing everything within assault distance of the C’Tan to test dangerous terrain, or to mishap more often on deep strike. It’s a clever way to put some wounds on a horde.

Kick up some dust and you get assault and defensive grenades, as well as stealth. It may not sound that useful, but defensive grenades really slow down the “loads of attacks” approach to killing a C’tan, and stealth is better than you think, considering that a 4+ invulnerable isn’t better than most cover… but a 3+ cover (when it happens) is nice. Oh, and Monoliths are big enough to block.

Like monsters that mess with temporal anomalies? Then look no further. Rip em up with C’tan, if they fail a single initiative test BAM, no saves of any kind… one model of your choice is just gone (in the assault). Say goodbye to that pesky warboss or nidzilla monster.

Last, but not least, or maybe least. No this one is awesome. How about the whole battlefield is difficult and dangerous terrain? Yeah… yeah I like that one too. Makes the C’tan a pretty big target though.

So all in all, if you took every ability, you’d be dropping 505 points on a single C’tan. Obviously that would be silly, but if you accept a Land Raider level price tag you can get a powerful monster that really shapes your battle plans. Or better yet… 3.

Grim.Badger wrote:
EDIT: Also, am I the only one that doesn't like the fact that they seem to be writing the Pariah Gene and Mutes out of the game?

Ascalam wrote:Also please stop using the term 'raped' to refer to being destroyed in close combat.

Hit up a dictionary if confused as to why. It isn't funny.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Also please stop using the term 'raped' to refer to being destroyed in close combat.

Hit up a dictionary if confused as to why. It isn't funny.

I'm fairly certain they're using it metaphorically.

Edit: unless it's by Slaaneshi foes.

angelshade00 wrote:Just a question, how reliable is BoK anyway?

Take a hammer, stand up a nail in a piece of wood and about mid way squatting smash away at it until you hit it. That is BoK reliability.

Abaddon wrote:Not a fan of the new C'tan fluff at ALL, assuming it is accurate.

Ascalam wrote:Ask someone who has been raped or knows someone who has if they give a fething crap about historical precedent. The term is generally used by ignorant A-holes and those who think rape is a good idea/think using that term is somehow 'cool' not amateur historians trying to defend the indefensible. Historically there's precedents for all sorts of crappy behaviour.

Kurgash wrote:

angelshade00 wrote:Just a question, how reliable is BoK anyway?

Take a hammer, stand up a nail in a piece of wood and about mid way squatting smash away at it until you hit it. That is BoK reliability.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:I guess I just don't get it, Ascalam.

asimo77 wrote:

Oh yeah Necrons...As long as the major 4 C'tan are still around I'll be happy. Honestly ever since reading about the War in Heaven I always thought it would be cool if there were many C'tan still left around.

MadCowCrazy wrote:The question I see though is if Necrons overthrow the C'tan then what will be their reason for existence?

Would they turn into emo robots who hate all life because the prospect of living has been taken away from them?

Would they try to rebuild their old empire? or just wither away since they no longer have a reason to exist?

Would they become bat gak crazy trying to find a way to reverse the Necronomification (yeah, just made that up) or become more desperate like the flayed ones who try to be more lifelike by covering themselves in the skin of being they kill?

So many questions, so few answers. The C'tans existence revolves around a cycle of devouring, pretty much exactly the same thing as the Reapers from Mass Effect except the C'tan loves to eat souls or some such.

With the C'tan conquered and enslaved that leaves much to be desired. It's like having someone who've been in prison from the age of 10 and released at the age of 40. Basically thrown out and told he's free to do whatever a free person does. Statistically he should be back in prison within a few months but that's not really an option for the Necrons.

So the question is, what's the new thing that drives the Necrons on?

Then again if the Necrons conquered the universe the chaos gods would die because a few Necron lords with insane thoughts would surely not be enough to sustain them.

I guess the same could be said if Tau were to win.

lowmanjason wrote:OK seriously, can we be adults and leave this "rape" garbage somewhere else... please?

Ascalam wrote:I don't really like the idea of mundane Necrons offing the God of Death and then deploying him as a necro-dreadnaught

Just Dave wrote:I think the idea of the C'tan being overthrown sounds fairly reasonable actually; it would help define the Necrons as an empire (like every other 40K race) rather than just a load of robots who follow their masters every order; it would actually give them some motivation for their actions as it were.
This could also explain the Lords having their own personality and whatnot, as they're more than just the pawns of the gods.

I think this over-throwing the gods thing will help develop Necrons as a personality and race of their own. Whether Necron players want this or not (I'd say it's largely 50/50) is debatable...

Sectiplave wrote:

Just Dave wrote:I think the idea of the C'tan being overthrown sounds fairly reasonable actually; it would help define the Necrons as an empire (like every other 40K race) rather than just a load of robots who follow their masters every order; it would actually give them some motivation for their actions as it were.
This could also explain the Lords having their own personality and whatnot, as they're more than just the pawns of the gods.

I think this over-throwing the gods thing will help develop Necrons as a personality and race of their own. Whether Necron players want this or not (I'd say it's largely 50/50) is debatable...

I'm with you on this one, I want to see Codex; Necrons, not Codex; C'Tan.

I'm imagining something along the lines of during the great war, the Necrons used necrodermis type technology, to capture parts of the dying C'tan essence which they can use for battle when the threat level is high. The big four C'tan should be apocalypse only, I'd imagine their necrodermis being monolith sized

Either way, I'm keen to see the Necrontyr themselves advance as a independant race as opposed to mindless slaved automatons. Bring them some personality, some hardships as to why they should strive to continue, maybe they are still pissed at all the old ones races and jealous of their flesh?

Yakface confirm that guys last set of rumours, so I have no reason to see why he would be wrong now. I'd imagine C'tan would be a wave 2 model release with a bunch of options on heads and arms and addons so you can build your own.

August cannot come soon enough

Just Dave wrote:I think the idea of the C'tan being overthrown sounds fairly reasonable actually; it would help define the Necrons as an empire (like every other 40K race) rather than just a load of robots who follow their masters every order; it would actually give them some motivation for their actions as it were.
This could also explain the Lords having their own personality and whatnot, as they're more than just the pawns of the gods.

I think this over-throwing the gods thing will help develop Necrons as a personality and race of their own. Whether Necron players want this or not (I'd say it's largely 50/50) is debatable...

asimo77 wrote:But what about us Slaanesh and Deldar players? Surely we can get all rape-y on our enemies. Would seem rather prudish and contradictory if the DE and Slaaneshi armies didn't engage in this sort of behaviour.

FalkorsRaiders wrote:Speaking of the Void Dragon, what if the reason Ward was brought on is to talk about Adeptus Mechanicus? What if we are getting an actual army for them? I mean, if I was Matt Ward and I needed to use a xeno race to help push out an Adeptus Mechanicus army, why not Necrons? I mean, the Void Dragon already helps the Emperor get more technologies.

tiekwando wrote:

Grim.Badger wrote:

Tyrs13 wrote:Wraiths:
There is no Strength 6 power weapon that should go at initiative 6.
Think of a what a Powerfist with initiative 6 would do ... its almost the same effect minus insta death. No army should have an I win button for any kind of combat.
You can have an advantage but it should a chance to save or cost a hell of a lot.

You mean other than the Swarmlord, which is also WS9 with 5 wounds? And the 'Nids have a couple more with similar strength and initiative whilst also being Monstrous Creatures - their downside is that they're one-offs rather than units, but I expect that the Wraiths will also have their downsides (personally I think they'll lose their invulnerable but gain some sort of permanent cover save, stay at 1 wound, have average (4) WS and toughness and obviously no guns). But like the Lictor, their closests equivalent, I doubt they'll be cheap.
Power weapons fit their fluff far too well for them not to get them IMO

who knows maybe they will get necroclaws-counts as warscythe for rules purposes

Darkjediben wrote:A reprint of the 3rd edition Necron codex with points decreases would be moronic. Right now, they have no weapons options, no ability to pop AV14, no meltas or lances, and the only gun they have that can reliably hurt heavy armor is a single shot, non-twin linked gun mounted on a jetbike platform. They are garbage in melee and far too vulnerable to sweeping advance, which a reprint would not fix at all, and the slots that certain units are in make no sense/preclude certain lists that should be possible. If you really think that they should just reprint the 3rd edition necron codex...well you're welcome to stick with that one when the new one comes out.

Praxiss wrote:Everyons saying overthrown as if ther Necron staged some sort of revolt and beat their gods in a fight.

I think it akes more sense if you look at it as the Necrons have turned away from the C'Tan. If their gods have been slumberign for feth knows ow manu millions of years, and the necrons have been waking up everytime someone desecrates their tomb worlds then the necrons have been waiting for their gods to wak up for a LONG time. Also, if necorns do retain some of their original personality then they have had ore than enough time to turn bitter at the salvation their gods gave them. Millions of years is a long time to be pissed off for.

As stated before, the big 4 C'Tan could still be out there and these Shards could be bits from the fallen C'Tan left over form the wars and trapped in wargear or something.

Ascalam wrote:

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:I guess I just don't get it, Ascalam.

You said it, chum.

You don't.

Its a game about killing, yes. A professional soldier or ravening beast thing accepts that they might get killed or kill others. It's what they signed up for/were conscripted to do (and are used to the idea of)/ Were created for and enjoy.

In short good clean fun with lots of action and explosions. It rates about a PG-mid teen rating and is likely to be enjoyable for a pretty wide bunch of people without anyone feeling uncomfortable about the subject matter. Humans deal pretty well with the idea of evisceration and so forth, and generally happy with lots of flashy explosion and so on, even if only in their imagination. It's easy to visualize your vehicles and so on blowing up spectacularly, and adds nicely to the feel of the game. Compare it to a big budget action movie. Now add a rape every 10 minutes of the movie. Some people (sickos) will get off on this, some will be ok for one scene or so, but a lot of folk will feel uncomfortable as hell about it. Now visualize taking someone you know to see it. Your kid? Your Girlfriend?

Get it yet?

Visualizing your troops (or the other sides) being forced down in the mud, blood and horror of a battlefield and violated and considering that to be 'good clean fun' should make you a candidate for a psych review. Using terms that describe a crime such as rape in a casual and flippant manner to describe when your little plastic men lost a combat reduces the impact of the word, and shows that you consider the act to be just as casually accepted.

Some of the folk on here, and a lot of folk at the stores are kids or teenagers who are prone to picking up whatever slang the rest of us gamers use, and using it themselves. There are lots of words for a complete and vicious beating in close combat, so why use 'rape' which barely even touches the subject? Doubly so why defend it?

Darkjediben wrote:Comparing the Orks codex and the Necron codex is stupid. Of course the Orks don't have long range AT, that's because they have the ability to run a Strength 10 Power Klaw with 29 ablative wounds in a fast transport that has a chance of moving straight towards the enemy when it gets wrecked. Your lack of long range AT is entirely compensated for, and if it is a weak point in your lists, that is only because a race with such monstrous CC abilities need some sort of handicap.

Why do the Necrons need that handicap? Do they have particularly stellar shooting? Are they particularly scary in CC? Do they move particularly fast?

The answer to all of those questions is no. Don't even try to compare the Oldest codex most desperately in need of an update to one of the most competitive codices in the entire game as if that proves any kind of point.

Ascalam wrote:If you look at the necron in the main rulebook, page 178, the gun looks a good deal different (no narowed cap, no axe blade).

If this is the new model for the necron warrior the tube would be pushed into the end of the gun, rather than having a glue-on cap.

They snuck the new look dark eldar into the rulebook art, so it's possible they're doing the same here.

Or is could just be a case of artistic license. It would be a neat and elegant way of changing gun effect without changing the gun.

Scarey Nerd wrote:Yakface, anything to share about the new BoK rumour? We need your rumour-goodness to sate our thirst for undeadrobotzombie-ness.

Ascalam wrote:I'm hoping that my collection doesn't become useless with the new codex also. we need an update, but i'd rather not have to rebuy everything..

Scarey Nerd wrote:

Ascalam wrote:I'm hoping that my collection doesn't become useless with the new codex also. we need an update, but i'd rather not have to rebuy everything..

THIS.

Ascalam wrote:@falkorsraiders

Necrons do have weapons that crack AV 14 though Monolith Particle Whips, Warscythes, Heavy Destroyers, Nightbringers Electrical Arc, The Ctan in CC, Tomb Spyders in CC (if you are obscenely lucky).

My Monoliths have vaped many a LR in a single shot.

We do lack S 10, but hey. I remember when a S 10 weapon was a rare and wonderful thing, which terrified your opponent to the point that they'd obliterate it at all costs. These days almost everyone that has been updated recently (within the last 5 years or so) has buckets of S 9 or 10.


I'm hoping that my collection doesn't become useless with the new codex also. we need an update, but i'd rather not have to rebuy everything..

FalkorsRaiders wrote:I don't know. originally scarabs were on small bases, i believe, and now for 3rd edition they were on big bases. I knida hope they revert them back to how they originally were, not swarms but individual models that made up a squad.


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I was wrong, they were on 40mm bases. I doubt they will change it now that I know this. I am dumb, so don't listen to me...

Swara wrote:Man, I soooo hope that all my stuff doesn't become obsolete.. or rather unusable.
I've been painting warriors, monoliths, scarabs, and destroyers up for a month or so now.. and all this talk makes me scared.
I know that those probably won't change.. but that doesn't stop me from the fear! I'm hoping that the new "wolf guard" units will have all the special weapons I need, so I can get a bunch of those and keep my pretty warrior all intact. Here's for hoping!

I'm also looking forward to any new leaks, however small. The idea of transports and MC's makes me happy.

tiekwando wrote:@ ascalam, you can try pinning the arms on both the destroyers and their guns, that way if there happens to be a new gun or whatever you can just remove the gun arm and swap out. Assuming you can buy just the gun arm online or whatever.

Ascalam wrote:You play necrons in the current meta.

You're a lot mad Join the club

I'm painting up my remaining destroyers today (3 down, 12 to go). Even if they get changed/nerfed/whatever i'll still like having them looking good, and if they get new weapon options i'll either convert or buy some more

Swara wrote:

Ascalam wrote:You play necrons in the current meta.

You're a lot mad Join the club

I'm painting up my remaining destroyers today (3 down, 12 to go). Even if they get changed/nerfed/whatever i'll still like having them looking good, and if they get new weapon options i'll either convert or buy some more

I haven't had any trouble playing Necrons atm.... though I think that's because no one I've played has even played against them before. They're all like "Robots? What the hell are these.. I'll just melta that big pyramid thing and win!"

... It helps to be mad though..

Mar wrote:I do not think we should wish list =)

tiekwando wrote:Yeah, but this thread should have been locked about 2 or three times before some new rumor comes out and then we have 2-3 pages of actual discussion and then nothing again. So we are in the nothing phase. Unless people want to talk about how they think they will use their c'tan/is it true.

I read at BoK that sisters will be out before necrons, but that it will be a WD only release. So that wouldn't necessarily push out necrons from august. Of course this could be old news.

The Decapitator wrote:

tiekwando wrote:Yeah, but this thread should have been locked about 2 or three times before some new rumor comes out and then we have 2-3 pages of actual discussion and then nothing again. So we are in the nothing phase. Unless people want to talk about how they think they will use their c'tan/is it true.

I read at BoK that sisters will be out before necrons, but that it will be a WD only release. So that wouldn't necessarily push out necrons from august. Of course this could be old news.

Yup, you're right. It is old news.

Necros wrote:Any new news lately? Like, real news not wishlist rumors?

Chamleoneyes wrote:If the Necron release is going to be July/Aug, i would think that next months white dwarf might might mention an upcoming necron release,

tiekwando wrote:Well originally I think sisters were rumored to be Nov.

wow thats what happens when you leave your screen up...

Well I think releasing a WD list and models might clash with anything else. If they are just doing a list then it might not though

Swara wrote:I don't think there is anyway to really nerf us at this point.. *knock on wood*

Kilink wrote:I would really like to see more customizable necrons. I like it the way they are but I often see my friends deciding what to glue on their models. While I just go assembly line crazy when I build my 'crons.

Also I'm afraid we might get nerfed...again...

Kroothawk wrote:WD 216 (with the first Necron metal miniatures):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrons
Also featured in a board game before that IIRC, some people still use those plastics as proxies..

Praxiss wrote:really? Never knew that. Anyone know what issue of WD it was? I'd be interested in reading their initial rule set.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Praxiss wrote:really? Never knew that. Anyone know what issue of WD it was? I'd be interested in reading their initial rule set.

I did a Retro Review of that very issue a while back.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/224922.page

Gallery of images here

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-518-869_RETRO%20REVIEW%20-%20WD217.html

Then I did 218, their first batrep.

Retro review

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/225100.page


Gallery
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-518-875_Retro%20Review%20-%20Wd218.html

FalkorsRaiders wrote:I'll be happy if they put the cost of monoliths at 1 point and be able to have a squad of 1-20 monoliths, as well as give them the necron special rules. Oh, and they can be a troop choice.

Praxiss wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Praxiss wrote:really? Never knew that. Anyone know what issue of WD it was? I'd be interested in reading their initial rule set.

I did a Retro Review of that very issue a while back.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/224922.page

Gallery of images here

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-518-869_RETRO%20REVIEW%20-%20WD217.html

Then I did 218, their first batrep.

Retro review

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/225100.page


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Holy Cack!!! Necrons stats used to be epic!!! As did their points cost. Scarabs used to have a 2+ save. ROTFL!!

Praxiss wrote:Holy Cack!!! Necrons stats used to be epic!!! As did their points cost. Scarabs used to have a 2+ save. ROTFL!!

tiekwando wrote:monolith wall is a good start.

FalkorsRaiders wrote:Thanks for all the hints. Can't wait to try some of these out on the ork player. I didn't know that the vehicle also is counted as a choice. he fielded two trukks with nob squads (He had a warboss, painboy, 2 special nobs of some sort that I cant remember, and 6 regular nobs in each squad). Can't remember if he fielded an hq, or if the bosses he said were his HQ's.

Back on topic: I kinda would like the C'tan being elites for deployment purposes, as of now, but I don't think they deserve the rumored lowering of importance fluff-wise. Oh well, just glad the rumors say I'll get more than 1 unit to choose for troops, and that they will cost less. I've always wanted to play 500 point matches, and not be limited to 2 squads of warriors and a lord with a res orb.

tiekwando wrote:

FalkorsRaiders wrote:Thanks for all the hints. Can't wait to try some of these out on the ork player. I didn't know that the vehicle also is counted as a choice. he fielded two trukks with nob squads (He had a warboss, painboy, 2 special nobs of some sort that I cant remember, and 6 regular nobs in each squad). Can't remember if he fielded an hq, or if the bosses he said were his HQ's.

Back on topic: I kinda would like the C'tan being elites for deployment purposes, as of now, but I don't think they deserve the rumored lowering of importance fluff-wise. Oh well, just glad the rumors say I'll get more than 1 unit to choose for troops, and that they will cost less. I've always wanted to play 500 point matches, and not be limited to 2 squads of warriors and a lord with a res orb.

yeah my friend, who I play all the time, has gotten into playing low point games instead of bigger ones recently. He tries to cap it at 600 points, there really is not a whole lot you can do with necrons at that point level, which is why I ended up switching to daemons for those games.

Kevin949 wrote:

tiekwando wrote:
yeah my friend, who I play all the time, has gotten into playing low point games instead of bigger ones recently. He tries to cap it at 600 points, there really is not a whole lot you can do with necrons at that point level, which is why I ended up switching to daemons for those games.

You could just house rule to not follow the FOC or change it a little so the requirement is 1 HQ and 2 different units minimum or something like that.

tiekwando wrote:yeah, he is kinda stubborn because all of his lists can make the FOC relatively easily.

The Metal Tide wrote:Sorry i stopped looking at this forum a while back. What are the C'Tan rumors from BoK. I don't want to search through the last how many pages.

Cheers

Kevin949 wrote:

tiekwando wrote:yeah, he is kinda stubborn because all of his lists can make the FOC relatively easily.

Could just say you don't want to play at that point range as it's boring for you (trust me, I understand your pain as I'd love to play smaller point games now and then but it's just so lame with necrons).

Kevin949 wrote:Like monsters that mess with temporal anomalies? Then look no further. Rip em up with C’tan, if they fail a single initiative test BAM, no saves of any kind… one model of your choice is just gone (in the assault). Say goodbye to that pesky warboss or nidzilla monster.

Ascalam wrote:My problem with the I test or die stuff is that eldar and marines have a good chance of passing it, Necrons, and orks very little chance of doing so...

Ascalam wrote:My problem with the I test or die stuff is that eldar and marines have a good chance of passing it, Necrons, and orks very little chance of doing so...

As i play Necrons and Orks it gets old after a while. Even if we do get an I test or die ability most armies will shrug it most of the time.

I'd like one based on your armour (electrical perhaps) where you need to roll under your armour to live.

Orks , wearing very little metal/electronics would be fine, barring meganobz.

Terminators would be hosed

The Grundel wrote:I heard that hear heard the hear heard a hear. Thread is full of lies and wishlists. Act like you got the connections and hope people forget when the codex comes out.

infrenis wrote:You basically pointed out one of the things I feared about that rumor. That one upgrade hoses EVERY army. lol. I hope it's a very limiting power. Something along the lines of making it once per game, or it only works on things in LoS. I can see Necron gun lines just sitting back with a C'Tan with that one power and slowly picking off the enemy. Armies that are more effective the closer they get are gonna be hurtin something fierce.

Anvildude wrote:Of course, some other armies will basically ignore it. Mechanized Orks will probably just roll right through. Pretty much every Ork vehicle has an upgrade that allows it to reroll Dangerous terrain checks (even the lowly Buggy), Nigh everyone can take Assault Grenades, Meganobz ignore Difficult terrain by already being SnP, Kommandoes can Move Through Cover, Lootas and Big Gunz don't move, period, etc.

I do think it would make for some really, really interesting games, though. Might have to try playing a game where the whole board is Difficult Terrain some day.

Kevin949 wrote:I believe there is a spearhead formation or two that allows different types of vehicles to move their full speed ans fire all their weapons already. And yes, it's once per game. Though it may have been limited to skimmers and jetbikes.

darkslife wrote:Make portals 85 pts each, deepstrike before game, can not move, will allow up to 15 models disembark each turn, large models count as 2.

Not tied to a unit, necrons within 18" can also be teleported to portal, counting as disembarking a vehicle that has moved 12". May not be used when in hand to hand combat.

Armour 13 all round, living metal. No weapons.

If they blow up all your portals in 1st turn you should have placed them better.

BAM, I just created a fluffy, useful portal, difficult, but not impossible to destroy, costed at a level where taking too many will hurt you points wise, but taking 2/3 in a 1500 point game is worthwhile.

darkslife wrote:Make portals 85 pts each, deepstrike before game, can not move, will allow up to 15 models disembark each turn, large models count as 2.

Not tied to a unit, necrons within 18" can also be teleported to portal, counting as disembarking a vehicle that has moved 12". May not be used when in hand to hand combat.

Armour 13 all round, living metal. No weapons.

If they blow up all your portals in 1st turn you should have placed them better.

BAM, I just created a fluffy, useful portal, difficult, but not impossible to destroy, costed at a level where taking too many will hurt you points wise, but taking 2/3 in a 1500 point game is worthwhile.

The Grundel wrote:So should we be loading up on the current battleforces or are the basic troops getting a redesign? Surely with all the detailed information on rules available someone out there knows what is to be expected.

RaptorsTallon wrote:I haven't read the whole therad, so this may have been mentioned but, when is the ETA of this new necron book?

lowmanjason wrote:I swear, if Necrons get pushed back by another marine/marine ally army, I am going smash all 4000 points of my Necrons, poop on them, take a pic and send it to GW because thats all GW thinks about Necrons in the the first place...

lowmanjason wrote:I swear, if Necrons get pushed back by another marine/marine ally army, I am going smash all 4000 points of my Necrons, poop on them, take a pic and send it to GW because thats all GW thinks about Necrons in the the first place...

angelshade00 wrote:If they @#$%^& dare push it back further, especially for yet another marine & friends army, I'm just quitting the game. Honest. At least at Warhammer Fantasy there is a relative balance. Orcs & Goblins forever!

angelshade00 wrote:If they @#$%^& dare push it back further, especially for yet another marine & friends army, I'm just quitting the game. Honest. At least at Warhammer Fantasy there is a relative balance. Orcs & Goblins forever!

tiekwando wrote:

angelshade00 wrote:If they @#$%^& dare push it back further, especially for yet another marine & friends army, I'm just quitting the game. Honest. At least at Warhammer Fantasy there is a relative balance. Orcs & Goblins forever!

Well now that 8th is out. Kinda hard to argue 7th was balanced as daemons were, well basically better than everyone else at just about everything. But if you mean they are balanced as in they support almost every army equally and don't have 1000 codex: something imperium or more likely genetically altered super soilders, then yeah you are right.

Goliath wrote:

angelshade00 wrote:If they @#$%^& dare push it back further, especially for yet another marine & friends army, I'm just quitting the game. Honest. At least at Warhammer Fantasy there is a relative balance. Orcs & Goblins forever!

Yep, they're delaying the release of a codex that they haven't announced yet, with the only information we have regarding it being rumours.

Really?

Goliath wrote:
Yep, they're delaying the release of a codex that they haven't announced yet, with the only information we have regarding it being rumours.
Really?

lowmanjason wrote:

Goliath wrote:
Yep, they're delaying the release of a codex that they haven't announced yet, with the only information we have regarding it being rumours.
Really?

I don't think you realise how long Necron players have been waiting for an update. I have literaly seen the same army get 2 updates before the Necrons even got a new model.

lowmanjason wrote:I don't think you realise how long Necron players have been waiting for an update. I have literaly seen the same army get 2 updates before the Necrons even got a new model.

angelshade00 wrote:Still, doesn't that annoy anyone else? Marine-non marine? There are like several hundred chapters in the codex astartes, why not make a separate codex for each of those, and once a year remember that there are other races out there in the cosmos except for the SM. Yeah, that'd be good.

Sorry for the ranting, everyone...

Scarey Nerd wrote: If that were true, then releasing GK was a BIG mistake... They were a highly anticipated army and, forgive me if I'm wrong, a lot of people have bought them. A lot. Also, are GW under the impression that every customer will try and buy every army? This isn't Pokémon (Though if they become a new army, I'm in.), we don't try and collect 'em all.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Because they make an ASS ton more money off marines than everything else put together.

THats why.

LunaHound wrote:Not only that , it might effect the Dark Eldar's burst of sales momentum if Necron is in the soon visible horizon. Its better if the 2 xeno armies have a bit of gap in their release, let the customers dry out their wallet completely on Dark Eldar first , replenish $, and dry them again with Necrons. This coincides with GW not wanting to reveal their new releases ahead of time.

Scarey Nerd wrote:That may be due to the fact that 6/16 codexes are Marines, or 7/16 if you count chaos space marines. If they expanded on the other armies, then they'd make money off the other armies due to their prevalence. However, just about every GW business plan seems to be a "Get-rich-quick scheme", so this will not happen.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Assuming the marine - non-marine pattern continues, the next race should be Xenos - meaning Necrons or possibly Tau Empire.

LunaHound wrote:

angelshade00 wrote:Still, doesn't that annoy anyone else? Marine-non marine? There are like several hundred chapters in the codex astartes, why not make a separate codex for each of those, and once a year remember that there are other races out there in the cosmos except for the SM. Yeah, that'd be good.

Sorry for the ranting, everyone...

Keep in mind that Dark Eldar players have been literally starved for ( a decade was it? ) before the recent total update.
GW need to release a new update that isnt as highly anticipated.

I cant think of a proper sentence to convey what i want to say , but the closest example is,
If someone have been in starvation mode for too long , introducing too much food for them to eat can harm or even kill the person.

Samething as the customers, our $ and enthusiasm cant really hold up back to back 2 consecutive armies of that magnitude ( well it can, but not without effecting the sale if the case ends up to be either or ).
Not only that , it might effect the Dark Eldar's burst of sales momentum if Necron is in the soon visible horizon. Its better if the 2 xeno armies have a bit of gap in their release , let the customers dry out their wallet completely on Dark Eldar first , replenish $, and dry them again with Necrons. This coincides with GW not wanting to reveal their new releases ahead of time .

cyberscape7 wrote: JUSTICE! I DEMAND JUSTICE!!!

kenzosan wrote:you picked the wrong game to play then
Based on my experience, unless you play empire your sol. Half the codexes out are empire.

BramGaunt wrote:Well, I got some news, no new rumours though, and a bit sad. Apperantly it's neither August nor September. Summer's booked for fantasy appearantly. I still have Necrons for the next Codex, though, which would put sisters to early 2012 in my books. But as they have not been that dependably (to my own disappointment), well.. ah, darn.

CSE wrote:Really?? that's a shock As far as I am aware, Its still set for Aug for the Metal Undead

This one is the hardest. One of my better sources told me directly "No Codex til Fall at the earliest. Possibly no 40k at all. They really want to push Warhammer back to the top. I don't say it cannot happen, I only rely info I get. I know I got peoples hopes up quiet a bit, and I am sorry for that, but I didn't want to keep it back until I got fingers pointed at me when we definatly know what august will be. I would be more then happy if you were right, CSE.

SkaerKrow wrote:

kenzosan wrote:you picked the wrong game to play then
Based on my experience, unless you play empire your sol. Half the codexes out are empire.

I know. It was bullsquig that we got Codex: Nuln, Codex: Averland and Codex: Middenheim before the Dark Eldar got an update.

I've always wanted a Necron army. Had one in Second Edition, and I'm really feeling the pull to start them again now that they're primed to get a new 'dex. May snag some Battle Forces while the gettin's good.

kenzosan wrote:


i wanted sob army for awhile. my friend wanted necrons. i lucked out and fell in love with blood angels via the books and got a marine army. my third army is eldar and i am hoping for an update but it isnt needed at all. to require a need i feel there has to be 2 things. either you can not make multiple armies (ie footdar/mechdar), you have to have variety otherwise you sell alot less models, or you got so nerfed that almost everyone put that army on the shelf.

Anvildude wrote:

kenzosan wrote:


i wanted sob army for awhile. my friend wanted necrons. i lucked out and fell in love with blood angels via the books and got a marine army. my third army is eldar and i am hoping for an update but it isnt needed at all. to require a need i feel there has to be 2 things. either you can not make multiple armies (ie footdar/mechdar), you have to have variety otherwise you sell alot less models, or you got so nerfed that almost everyone put that army on the shelf.

So you got a Necron Allies army?

lowmanjason wrote:well screw it then. im so sick of the way GW has disregarded this great army for the last 9 years. not to beat a dead horse but... ONLY 1 NEW MODEL IN ALMOST 10 YEARS!!! its pathetic. whats worse is i think im going to hate the new rules and fluff anyway. hopefully i will be given the "option" to play them in thier current for. oh well i guess, this will give me a chance to write more of my own fluff in my "Awakening" story based on the current/only codex necron players will ever see. check it out you all get a chance.

Kroothawk wrote:Maybe bad news from Warseer:

BramGaunt wrote:One of my better sources told me directly "No Codex til Fall at the earliest. Possibly no 40k at all...