fynn wrote:
Intresting, i just done a search on FB for franks,and came up with no result for that name.
So he has either deleted the account, or found a way to hide it from an FB search.
And didnt the franks name pop up once before during the time that RF re-appeared?

Nope its gone
Hmmmm poss Kim was not happy to be seen without her ridiculous bird mask , or the mention of asking a person who has met F2F with him to verify his identity prompted the removal ( shame facebook saves the picture for searches if you have visited the page in the past its in your search list and will still show you the thumbnail even though the page has gone )

Here are some links. Fun stuff.

https://www.facebook.com/lapetite.gamine1

https://www.facebook.com/sharkfrom.jawz?fref=ts

They are both still very much around.

The facebook version of Black Crusade studios is gone. The email he used for that fake company has at least changed its title (still using same address however). I was talking to him moments ago via email, getting the same type of cross / back talk that hes known for. People like him never go away for long. Its who they are and its what they do. They love to turn things around to make others feel he is the victim, its part of the ploy. Thanks to the people on this site, and others like it, this jacka$$ is going to have a harder and harder time doing what they think they are good at. Kudo's !

This is as you people call me, Kimaine. I do not appreciate it you linking my personal FB account. I especially do not appreciate the harassment and the apparent stalking of my self and loved ones. To be completely honest, this has done nothing but scare me into thinking what you might do to me physically. I want my name removed from this thread as well as any links to my personal account. It has nothing to do with anything here except to give you morons sick pleasure in intimating me.
I do not take kindly to this and whatever you people may think, I will be taking legal action upon this.

Lapetitegamine wrote:
This is as you people call me, Kimaine. I do not appreciate it you linking my personal FB account. I especially do not appreciate the harassment and the apparent stalking of my self and loved ones. To be completely honest, this has done nothing but scare me into thinking what you might do to me physically. I want my name removed from this thread as well as any links to my personal account. It has nothing to do with anything here except to give you morons sick pleasure in intimating me.
I do not take kindly to this and whatever you people may think, I will be taking legal action upon this.

You started it, kindly ask your "business partner" to stop harassing people, taking their money, offering stolen, IP violating, goods for sale and we won't have any reason to discuss you or him any more.

Lapetitegamine wrote:
This is as you people call me, Kimaine. I do not appreciate it you linking my personal FB account. I especially do not appreciate the harassment and the apparent stalking of my self and loved ones. To be completely honest, this has done nothing but scare me into thinking what you might do to me physically. I want my name removed from this thread as well as any links to my personal account. It has nothing to do with anything here except to give you morons sick pleasure in intimating me.
I do not take kindly to this and whatever you people may think, I will be taking legal action upon this.

Public information being posted on a public forum... hardly anything illegal.

And no one here has threatened any physical action.

Looking on a publicly available web page is not stalking.

No one here is telling people to contact you via private correspondence.

Even Saul Goodman would laugh at the thought of legal action against random names on a web forum.

YOU are the one who agreed to try and help Daniel sleaze his way out of Resin Forge. YOU said you took over that site and were responsible for it.

You don't get to take those actions and then say "leave me alone I have nothing to do with this".

Sorry.

Lapetitegamine wrote:
This is as you people call me, Kimaine. I do not appreciate it you linking my personal FB account. I especially do not appreciate the harassment and the apparent stalking of my self and loved ones. To be completely honest, this has done nothing but scare me into thinking what you might do to me physically. I want my name removed from this thread as well as any links to my personal account. It has nothing to do with anything here except to give you morons sick pleasure in intimating me.
I do not take kindly to this and whatever you people may think, I will be taking legal action upon this.

I would say that the majority of Dakka users do not wish to be 'intimating' with you (who ever you are).

But, boy you and Dan seem to be well suited - you both cry wolf and threaten legal action over non existent harassment.

So...we're all on the same page that the misspellings and poor punctuation (3-4 in the first sentence, including the nickname) suggest this is Danny himself, and Stephakim/Kimanie has no idea he is speaking for her? Or she knows and doesn't care. Whichever.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
So...we're all on the same page that the misspellings and poor punctuation (3-4 in the first sentence, including the nickname) suggest this is Danny himself, and Stephakim/Kimanie has no idea he is speaking for her? Or she knows and doesn't care. Whichever.

Perhaps terrible spelling and grammar is a communicable disease they share.

Daniel doesn't have the fortitude to post here openly as himself.

Resin Forge has no outstanding debt. Daniel has been making no sales in quite some time and is in fact done with this community.

While its true no one here has said to contact me privately, it has happened already. That is why I want my link and name to my FB removed.

@azreal13:
What exactly did I start?

Insults, threats, false accusations? Sounds like the real person

 timetowaste85 wrote:
So...we're all on the same page that the misspellings and poor punctuation (3-4 in the first sentence, including the nickname) suggest this is Danny himself, and Stephakim/Kimanie has no idea he is speaking for her? Or she knows and doesn't care. Whichever.

At this point I actually anything that comes out of Danielworld is hugely more likely to be deceptive than anything approaching the truth.

We have no control over what people do with public information.

We also can't help the fact that you helped a known scammer. You made that bed.

So are you Stephanie or Kim?

Lapetitegamine wrote:
Resin Forge has no outstanding debt. Daniel has been making no sales in quite some time and is in fact done with this [see forum posting rules] community.

While its true no one here has said to contact me privately, it has happened already. That is why I want my link and name to my FB removed.

@azreal13:
What exactly did I start?

"You" are irretrievably and permanently linked with an individual who has frequently been accused of doing the things you accuse "Dakka" of. Whether "you" were the actual person who did these things, is for most people at this point, largely irrelevant, you are tainted by association.

btw: The dakka community has a good deal of spelling errors, themselves. Azreal13; might want to edit your sentence. Just saying...

 Mr. Burning wrote:
So are you Stephanie or Kim?

It was never Kim. Kim was just the fake name DM used for her as an RF owner, but all paypal info as well as her own fb page and other online appearances show her as Stephanie.

Yea, all the emails I have had going back and forth the last hour are the same tone. Threats, harassment, more threats. I finally just muted him/her so I don't have to listen to more BS. Good job Dakka people on sniffing out moles.

Lapetitegamine wrote:
btw: The dakka community has a good deal of spelling errors, themselves. Azreal13; might want to edit your sentence. Just saying...

Yeah, because omitting a word while typing quickly and composing my reply at the same time are completely the same as your congenital inability to spell even simple words.

I find it hilarious that they harass everyone but me, when they know very well who I am outside of this forum. It seems when you keep evidence of harassment in the workplace on someone they tend to leave you alone.

For all Daniels threats, he's all talk.

How am I Daniel, when you can freely see the picture of me with him on FB.

How can I be guilty by association?

Also to my recollection Daniel tried to call a truce on this by asking a thread be made where any "victims" can post saying anything that they are owed as long as they have proof.

@aerethan: possibly because Daniel no longer has your phone number. Why don't you give it to me with your extension and I'll call you again.

An offer to harass me? I feel so included!!!

My only request if you do decide to call again is that you put those god awful birds in another room so that I can better hear the lies.

Also, I was not approached about any kind of truce when Daniel called my boss and tried to get me fired.

Lapetitegamine wrote:
How am I Daniel, when you can freely see the picture of me with him on FB.

How can I be guilty by association?

Also to my recollection Daniel tried to call a truce on this by asking a thread be made where any "victims" can post saying anything that they are owed as long as they have proof.

@aerethan: possibly because Daniel no longer has your phone number. Why don't you give it to me with your extension and I'll call you again.

Here we go!

I believe Daniel is free to set up an account and post on Dakka - there is nothing stopping him from joining and apologizing to the community - Hell! He could even set up the thread you have just written of.

Obviously I can't call you again (you already had me call you once, 6 months ago). I no longer have your number and neither does Daniel.

So if you know that I have birds then you know that I am not Daniel "combined with the fact that I already called you in the past."

@Mrburning: that would be easy except Daniel has been banned, so if he did that it would be multi-accounting. That is why he contacted the moderates and offered the truce.

Lapetitegamine wrote:
How am I Daniel, when you can freely see the picture of me with him on FB.

How can I be guilty by association?

Also to my recollection Daniel tried to call a truce on this by asking a thread be made where any "victims" can post saying anything that they are owed as long as they have proof.

Right, how is it possible that you couldn't be who you claim to be on an Internet forum and be using a pseudonym. Inconceivable!

Guilt by association is a fairly simple concept, I don't think you need it explaining to you, unless you're Mandlebaum of course, then you're simply guilty.

I think you'll find people who have been lied to, cheated, defrauded and harassed not best disposed towards any sort of truce, especially when it appears we have a fairly robust system for catching any new businesses and therefore no real need. I also recall MajorTom fairly succinctly laying out terms, which I believe were either totally ignored or cast aside in short order.

@aerethan: possibly because Daniel no longer has your phone number. Why don't you give it to me with your extension and I'll call you again.

Four posts in and a threat of harassment, and clear violation of rule 1.

I was expecting a more worthy showing than this. I am disappoint.

It really doesn't matter which one of the 2 you are to me. You helped Daniel while he was scamming people. He tried to get me fired. Resin Forge, tried to get me fired.

I can take some internet name calling, but messing with someones income is a step too far.

Hello Daniel. How are your, um, business ventures going? Sold any 3D printed Titans lately?

Complete waste of time to respond to "Stephanie" - who in all probablity is just Daniel again as usual - and if not it's just the weirdo conglomerate Mandelbaum-cum-whoever-he-invented or pretends to be plus Stephanie Hernandez. Oops, look , I said her real name again. Sending the consultant-lawyers now?

Bugger off to your birdcage basement and do whatever you want, Daniel. The moment you try to shift as much as some bitz under anything else than you real name there is an army of people ready to stomp on your grubby little fingers.

Oh this is rich... Stephanie comes here, asking what she ever did. Go look at the Resin Forge thread 'Kim'. Go look where you swore up and down you had nothing to do with Daniel at all and that you were running that business on your own. Go look at how Resin Forge harassed the living crap out of people. Go look how you lied to your customers about who you were, what events you went to, what you could pre-order and what you couldn't. Go look at how your boyfriend/husband whatever he is harrassed people at all hours of the night, tried to get someone fired, set up a fake law firm account and just generally lied with every breath both of you take. Your La Petite Gamine account also posted on FW's facebook page swearing up and down an alias wasn't him. You are a disgusting enabler Stephanie if this is you and not him. Instead of getting him the help he needs you encourage this small time crime crap... to what end? You think there is doubt? Something to be gained? Go look how he repeatedly set up additional businesses under new aliases (BCS), how he tried to sell stolen goods he never even had (3D Titan) how he cried eviction, threatened me personally, threatened suicide and every other nasty bs trick in the book. There is no way, every, anyone is going to forget what you people did. You are notorious. Synonymous with scams in this community.

You are both liars, you are both scammers. The only people in this place we know harassed, stalked and threatened anyone is your boy and your camp. So get out of here accusing us of the same, how dare you. There is no bigger insult than you attempting to drag anyone here down to your level. Not gonna happen. We have actively done nothing but speak out against any form of interaction with you or him except to report you to the police. Nothing. If you have problems look in the mirror and perhaps suspect the dozens if not hundreds of people your spouse has bamboozled over the years. Wanna know why people hate you guys? Read the above again. It's all on record, most people here saw it happen real-time. We saw the crazy behaviour, pathological lies, threats, harassment, and nutso videos.

You can also stuff the lawsuit threats. This is a public forum and the information posted is public information. Anyone who knows your name and has an internet connection can find it. Your lawyer must be a busy dude since you are also threatening suites people for having lunch with each other.

You want people to leave you alone? Stay the hell away from this community. You say he isn't still selling? That is BS and you know it. How many times do we need to catch you for you to realize you aren't going to get away with anything anymore? We know, Stephanie and Daniel, we know. You won't get far selling anything. We can't stop people from buying from you, but we can sure as gak make sure they know who they are buying from. And we will.

So, do us all a favor and find somewhere else to peddle your bs. If you want to be honest, sure, go ahead. But don't come in here and play innocent. We know what you did. What you are doing. That's it.

@MT11





We did our best in your absence!

So, he's unblocked me, and started harassing me again, thank god i'll be able to block him before he can reblock me, I won't have to deal with him anymore...

Hey, StephaKim, why don't you tell him to stop harassing people? Eh? Threatening to stalk me and my family doesn't bode well for your combined image... If you truly are innocent, which I doubt, you might want to consider getting VERY VERY FAR AWAY from Daniel MandelbaumcharliefranksharkfromjawzAlanWelson--Whatever his name is, for all we know, Mandelbaum itself might be an alias...

Either way, he needs to stop harassing me, I will be showing his messages to me to the police. I have the right to defend myself against stalkers. I will be bringing the full gravity of federal law against him for his threats against me.

It's very nice that I have physical and digital copies of evidence of my claims. The best thing he can do right now, is to stop harassing people completely and stop scamming people...

What was the exact "threat" he made against you and your "family"?

He gave you your address in a private message for your own company that you fail to list as where its located. Something many people here have said he must provide and you clearly did not.

He made it clear its not a threat, he's not the "boogie man" and has no intention to call or communicate with you any further.
He also just provided his well know number (for over 7 years its not changed) for you to give to the police so they may call him about your claim.

Its nice you saved the documents as they prove its not a threat, not stalking or anything in between.

You are simply stirring up drama in hopes you will make him angry at YOUR threats to him .
Stop playing games and grow up.

Lapetitegamine wrote:
What was the exact "threat" he made against you and your "family"?

He gave you your address in a private message for your own company that you fail to list as where its located. Something many people here have said he must provide and you clearly did not.

The massive logic fail in that one statement actually caused my brain to reboot, I now have a perfect impression of the middle part of my keyboard on my forehead I deskfaced so hard.

Lapetitegamine wrote:
What was the exact "threat" he made against you and your "family"?

He gave you your address in a private message for your own company that you fail to list as where its located. Something many people here have said he must provide and you clearly did not.

He made it clear its not a threat, he's not the "boogie man" and has no intention to call or communicate with you any further.
He also just provided his well know number (for over 7 years its not changed) for you to give to the police so they may call him about your claim.

Its nice you saved the documents as they prove its not a threat, not stalking or anything in between.

You are simply stirring up drama in hopes you will make him angry at YOUR threats to him .
Stop playing games and grow up.

I'm convinced due to the logic fail here, this is Daniel, not Stephanie/Kim...

Plus, Anyone know how to block him after he's blocked you? I need some information.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

Lapetitegamine wrote:
What was the exact "threat" he made against you and your "family"?

He gave you your address in a private message for your own company that you fail to list as where its located. Something many people here have said he must provide and you clearly did not.

He made it clear its not a threat, he's not the "boogie man" and has no intention to call or communicate with you any further.
He also just provided his well know number (for over 7 years its not changed) for you to give to the police so they may call him about your claim.

Its nice you saved the documents as they prove its not a threat, not stalking or anything in between.

You are simply stirring up drama in hopes you will make him angry at YOUR threats to him .
Stop playing games and grow up.

I'm convinced due to the logic fail here, this is Daniel, not Stephanie/Kim...

Called it.

His style of typing is very unique, and I've had no issue visualizing his type of writing. It's almost like he's writing in neon pink words in a sea of black and white. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying this, but if you gave me ten papers, I could pick his out with ease. Even over people trying to pretend to be him. Any other English teachers/English master students would be able to do the same.


Edit-damn phone tried to autocorrect 'pink' to 'link'. Fixed it.

Aye, it is rather distinct. If I was Daniel, I'd take the easy option and just back away now, mouth (or keyboard) firmly shut...

It's just attentionwhoring, in any case. He knows he will never get a foot back on the ground, so all he has left is his pathetic need for some scraps of attention to feel reviled. Only reason to ceome back here again... and again... and again... and again. Well done

That latest post makes it obvious it's Daniel. The exact same phrase about not changing his number for 7 years that he's used multiple times before. Yet again, a fake "mediator" to just draw attention / distract / make drama.

Regarding the lack of victims, lol. They just give up trying. Suhail AlHashemi comes to mind from the History of Daniel Mandelbaum in the Wargaming Community thread. To quote some excerpts of his emails:

Suhail AlHeshemi wrote:I contacted Matt on Feb. this year (2011), i got eluded into the idea that he could scratch build 2 Thunderhawks (For myself and a friend). I did all the talks with him through my personal email.

At first he would reply instantly (same day or the next). We went over the specifics and after several emails, we both confirmed on the price tag and the completion date (he said it would take 4 weeks). However, as the weeks went by, his replies were slow till the point were i am ignored now.

He asked for half of the cost to begin work, and to receive the other half after showing the complete products. I kept asking for WIP pics, but he never provided any, always stating that he would eventually show me something.

Within weeks, i began to panic because he never showed nor spoke of the commission. I do not recall when it was (i would guess about 3 months), he vanished..... no word, no email, nothing.

I then discovered he had a blog, and that a bunch of people share the blog. I sent an email asking if Matt could reply back to me, i was told that he left the country for work and that his return to the country was not known.

Then comes September and Matt finally replies back. He sent me 2 pictures of a single Thunderhawk in different angles, without saying anything. I did not know what to make out of it and asked for a refund.

I've asked him many times to refund the money sent but he replied back " i dont have the cash, either wait for me to sell the thunderhawks or till i get paid"

His last email (september 27th 2011) i told him "im afraid to send you money, since ive been waiting since feb." , he replies back with "I didnt ask you to send money did i?"

Suhail AlHashemi wrote:It's so funny how Matt or Daniel contacted me a couple of days back (August 2012)... Saying how sorry he feels and how badly he treated me.
He said he would "Get back to me soon" to discuss my refund. I simply laughed at him saying that i do not expect to see my refund and that he has no right to ask for forgiveness.

Haha, and this part was weird... but he specifically said "But i need you to promise..."

I was shocked he expected me to accept ....

He went on "You do not contact nor talk to anyone in Dakka, nor do you share anything"

I think i see why he would say this..... You guys are onto him ^^

Suhail AlHashemi wrote:It all makes sense now...

This is the info. he said was "His friend"....

My friends info is:

Michael Gary Mandelbaum
Full address edited out McCallum Blvd
Dallas, Texas 75252

Suhail AlHashemi wrote:However, since I'm living abroad and so far away from U.S. , and realising I would never get anything from Daniel. I eventually accepted to move on and disposed of everything. (I'm only left with emails).

I'd like to give him a call and see what he has to say. But I do not expect much. I can't believe he'd send a refund back.

As Tom says, Daniel it's obvious that you never change your stripes, you only do "damage control" to try to keep your scams going, and only refund people to that end. Otherwise, you would have voluntarily refunded people like Suhail AlHashemi, who have no recourse to force you to do so. The most damning part of the above? That it all happened while you supposedly weren't selling anything, running a "clean" blog with other contributors- "Miniature Wargame Conversions". All while running scams like the above in the background!

And that's why this thread exists, so that people realize your pattern of lying, making fake "mediators" or duping real ones, and basically running a ponzi scheme of paying back a few people to keep others in the lurch until their Paypal refund windows run out, or they give up trying to get refunded, etc... just like Suhail did.

There's really nothing more to say to you except that we'll always be watching, and always ready to expose you and have you shut down the moment you pop your head up to try another scam. Take your BS elsewhere, as the whole community is aware of you now and keeping watch for your schemes. You will never again turn a profit running scams on the wargaming community and, as has happened with your last several efforts, you will be exposed more and more quickly and get less and less money out of it. The community is on to you and through sheer weight of numbers will make it impossible for you to effectively scam wargamers for long in any future scheme.

Your pattern is identical and you can't even keep from typing just like yourself above. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. Oh well, some people never learn, and you're clearly one of them- so we'll be watching for you, always.

Lapetitegamine wrote:
How am I Daniel, when you can freely see the picture of me with him on FB.

How can I be guilty by association?

Also to my recollection Daniel tried to call a truce on this by asking a thread be made where any "victims" can post saying anything that they are owed as long as they have proof.

@aerethan: possibly because Daniel no longer has your phone number. Why don't you give it to me with your extension and I'll call you again.

Danny, your boyfriend/husband/whatever, called Aerethian's place of work MANY times and tried to get him fired. That's not a truce by any use of the word in Kronk's book, and Kronk's book has a lot of big words.

But you and Dan are the victims, though. Carry on.

Lapetitegamine wrote:
This is as you people call me, Kimaine. I do not appreciate it you linking my personal FB account. I especially do not appreciate the harassment and the apparent stalking of my self and loved ones. To be completely honest, this has done nothing but scare me into thinking what you might do to me physically. I want my name removed from this thread as well as any links to my personal account. It has nothing to do with anything here except to give you morons sick pleasure in intimating me.
I do not take kindly to this and whatever you people may think, I will be taking legal action upon this.

Oh dear.

As nothing more than an amused bystander in all this, I can truly only hope that you do attempt legal action against the Dakkanauts responsible for your vicious and unwarranted bullying.

No justice, no peace!

 Ketara wrote:

Lapetitegamine wrote:
This is as you people call me, Kimaine. I do not appreciate it you linking my personal FB account. I especially do not appreciate the harassment and the apparent stalking of my self and loved ones. To be completely honest, this has done nothing but scare me into thinking what you might do to me physically. I want my name removed from this thread as well as any links to my personal account. It has nothing to do with anything here except to give you morons sick pleasure in intimating me.
I do not take kindly to this and whatever you people may think, I will be taking legal action upon this.

Oh dear.

Where I come from, we refer to this kind of person as being "completely off their tits"

I choose a great time to make popcorn! I decided to catch up on a whim and it turned out that I got a show out of it.

Maybe Daniel should take up comedy?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I choose a great time to make popcorn! I decided to catch up on a whim and it turned out that I got a show out of it.

Maybe Daniel should take up comedy?

If only the hell he put some of us through was funny.....

 alarmingrick wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I choose a great time to make popcorn! I decided to catch up on a whim and it turned out that I got a show out of it.

Maybe Daniel should take up comedy?

If only the hell he put some of us through was funny.....

The part that was funny was his belief the he was fooling people.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I choose a great time to make popcorn! I decided to catch up on a whim and it turned out that I got a show out of it.

Maybe Daniel should take up comedy?

If only the hell he put some of us through was funny.....

The part that was funny was his belief the he was fooling people.

I got you. It's miles beyond "Keystone Cop" levels.

"World's Worst Impressionist."

His antics are making me cringe so bad.

If I actually thought it would help him, I'd even offer to write his apology letter to give to the community to correct his mistakes, write his wrongs, and open a new front with his name on it, brazenly displayed and out in the open. I'd even offer to write a policy for him to offer scam protection against his clients, which would require him to trust his clients. But I've heard what he's done to everyone who tried to help him, and I don't want that level of harassment if/when things go sour. I'd actually only operate here on Dakka by PM, and never give him my name, if he approached me first. He's also have to be truly repentant and accept help depending on my busy schedule. The point of this message, Dan, since I'm sure you're reading, is that you have phenomenal talent. Everyone here knows it. Nobody argued it. If you tried to go straight, you'd make a butt ton of cash. Coming clean, you can become a pillar of the community, not a plague. Nobody here is out for blood, we're here for awesome army men. Help that be a reality, not a falsity.

Nope sorry, no one is interested in doing business with Daniel Mandelbaum. That bridge has burned and the ground has been salted and cursed by gods and men.

Guys, enough with posting just to say how entertained you are, or if you have nothing in particular to add here.

Stay on topic and if there isn't much of note going on, let it be.

Resin Forge is once again active. This time, with a new admin named Steven Burroughs.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Resin-Forge-Store/464657756903319?fref=photo

Hopefully no one gets taken for their earnings this time

Well.. the post says that he is in charge mediating the sale and the closing down Resin Forge and that the ebay, webshop and buisiness are closed as of "an hour ago"

FFS......
Some bad pennies just won't stay gone,

The sale of what company? A large number of the request from people to Daniel were for proof it even WAS a company!

I call horse gak, and everyone should be full on Meerkat for the next move.

How difficult is it to 'close down' a business that, if I recall correctly, isn't registered or actually has any legal establishment? It's not like there's any paperwork to sort out and his 'company' has no value.

You have got to be gaking me.


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Well I just reported it to Facebook as a Scam/Spam. Not sure what good that'll do but if everyone reading this thread does it en masse maybe Facebook will take note.

AND SO IT BEGINS (again)!

Everyone be on the lookout for new sightings. What was his last turnover time? 48 hours?

Awww yeah. This gon' be good.

Challenge accepted. Plenty of time on my hands to keep an eye on this nonsense.

This should be a soap opera called 'The many names of Mandelbaum'.... sigh... I didn't know you needed a third party involved to sell a thousand or 2 bucks worth of old FW bits, other peoples models he never sent back and recast bits.

Ah well. Here we go again...

I welcome Mr. Steven Burroughs, a former "Team Lader"(sic) at RGIS.

So the shop that was closed is now closed again.
And the closed shop that was closed and is still closed is now being sold to someone else; who that person is we don't know we just know there is a mediator.

Honestly I wonder if its a smoke-screen - get Dakka all riled up over that whilst somewhere else he's running a different company. I mean he can't seriously think he can salvage RF

Interesting. So roughly six months after Resin Forge dropped off everyone's radar a terribly tarnished brand name is allegedly being shut down and traded, and an administrator (who is also from Dallas, and has either no friends or a list that is not public) has come on board to oversee the transfer of title (of which there is no evidence that there was legally a company) and the transfer of assets (maybe $2k of ForgeWorld resin parts)

 Overread wrote:

Honestly I wonder if its a smoke-screen - get Dakka all riled up over that whilst somewhere else he's running a different company. I mean he can't seriously think he can salvage RF

I concur. This was my first thought as well, he's possibly prodding that old ant's nest to divert attention from something else.

That would be counterproductive. Most of the community weren't really on the lookout for him, and probably wouldn't have said anything if a new company popped up.

Reviving Resin Forge meant that we are now on the lookout again.

It might be a merger, with Tony Reidy.

Deetoz wrote:
That would be counterproductive. Most of the community weren't really on the lookout for him, and probably wouldn't have said anything if a new company popped up.

Reviving Resin Forge meant that we are now on the lookout again.

But he's kind of a whore for attention, especially the bad kind.

Christ on a bike! Why won't this guy go away?

 alarmingrick wrote:

Deetoz wrote:
That would be counterproductive. Most of the community weren't really on the lookout for him, and probably wouldn't have said anything if a new company popped up.

Reviving Resin Forge meant that we are now on the lookout again.

But he's kind of a whore for attention, especially the bad kind.

My thoughts as well. He's not the kind of guy to just set up quietly as far as I can tell.

 JamesGang wrote:
Christ on a bike! Why won't this guy go away?

Because he is a criminal and loves to be such an ting

I request that people should only post to this thread if they have substantive information about Resin Forge or any other Mandelbaum company.

As of 2 hours ago he says the new "owner" is doing some skype conference call nonsense to answer any concerns the public may have.

The biggest question here is why ANYONE would want anything to do with the Resin Forge name, even if they bought all of it's stock.

Might as well start up Enron again, or any other number of company names with tarnished backgrounds.

Plenty of companies liquidate assets, and most of the time those who buyout the whole thing just dissolve the name and keep the actual assets.

 Aerethan wrote:
As of 2 hours ago he says the new "owner" is doing some skype conference call nonsense to answer any concerns the public may have.

The biggest question here is why ANYONE would want anything to do with the Resin Forge name, even if they bought all of it's stock.

Might as well start up Enron again, or any other number of company names with tarnished backgrounds.

Plenty of companies liquidate assets, and most of the time those who buyout the whole thing just dissolve the name and keep the actual assets.

I just saw that post. This is going to be a trainwreck again because it is in no way trustworthy.

"Oh look we totally sold it now it's a new guy and everything is totally fine time to buy more stuff from us".

No.

Yup. Only 1 person out there is crazy enough to pull the exact same sold to new owners scam twice. Or to think they needed a news conference to announce the sale of 2k of FW bitz from one basement to another.

On the off chance, which given the track record is zero as they were never, ever honest and transparent.... But on the off chance we there was someone interested in purchasing a 'brand' (lol) as viciously tarnished as this one, they deserve what's coming to em. Even the vaguest due diligence would show who they were doing business with. Someone must simply be bored and desperate for attention again.

In other breaking news, I will be having a press conference to announce the successful sale of my xbox360 on eBay to another big corporate entity, jimmy the 8th grader from Wyoming who's parent company, mom and dad, let him use their paypal to do it.

 MajorTom11 wrote:


In other breaking news, I will be having a press conference to announce the successful sale of my xbox360 on eBay to another big corporate entity, jimmy the 8th grader from Wyoming who's parent company, mom and dad, let him use their paypal to do it.

Well, Jimmy has to spend his oil money on something...

(Exalted )

 Aerethan wrote:
The biggest question here is why ANYONE would want anything to do with the Resin Forge name, even if they bought all of it's stock.

This, in spades. It's not like they're some massive, established and well-known brand-name in the gaming community. It's a little company that was being run out of someone's house, with an established customer base that I would guess would number in the hundreds. It's simply not worth the hassle of transferring the company instead of just buying out their stock and using it to start up a new company from the ground up.

The idea that anyone would actually be buying Resin Forge and going to all this trouble to 'clear their name' is just farcical.

Technically doesn't RF have a clean slate - at least order processing wise if I recall right it never got to scam/incompetence stages. Of course I'm excluding the whole dodgy area of who was in charge and business registration, but on the order front were there any with RF bad orders?

Far as I see it that, and the name, are about the only positive aspects that could possibly be present for Resin Forge. The stock holding is honestly tiny and its Forge World ordered so its not unique nor is it highly profitable due to the nature of ordering from FW in the first place. The only area where there was potential profit was the conversions Daniel made (which if he's honest, won't be part of RF now because he's not having anything to do with it).


Considering that the FB account restarted with a post saying "hi ;P" I suspect its either attention seeking or a smokescreen. That or he's hoping to put enough distance as he can between actual scam/incompetence and the warning noise generated by his involvement that he can slow grow a loyal customer base to defend himself with. Sadly a viable option as, least by his past displays at retail, it oft takes a fair while before things fall apart

No, no clean slate. Lied constantly. Refused to produce any credentials. Harrased former customers. Operated under several aliases. Issued threats.

You cannot seperate a Mandelbusiness from Mandelbaum. That would be a critical mistake. Resinforge having reached scam stage or not has absolutely no bearing on the fact the guy who runs it is known to have scammed dozens of times over and continues the same behaviours. If I go and steal a bunch of cars, but then change my name from Tom to Tim, am I not still a car-thief regardless?

Also, don't take his 'likes' on that page to = value... those are very likely (no pun intended) to be payed for as the came in 2 clumps, are spread all over the world on little used accounts, and finally he only ever had at best 10 people actually respond to the posts on the page.

Resinforge has no value. It is a name twice used by scammers already lol... Mandelbaum wasn't even the first sketchy guy operating under the name! That's not the kind of pr you want to buy lol...

Tom I mean only in so far as delivering orders - I fully agree that the rest of the business practice was a total mess.

 Overread wrote:
Tom I mean only in so far as delivering orders - I fully agree that the rest of the business practice was a total mess.

no. Not unless we see physical copies of documents identifying the new owners, as being distinct from Mr. Mandelbaum, from a lawyer that has placed their certified seal on the paper and is recognized to be a practicing member of the correct state's bar association.... I refuse to accept that any sane person wouldn't know how to do their research into a company's history before buying it, and then willingly taking over a business that's been sunk like this. This stinks.

The Facebook posts say there is a Skype session upcoming with the new owner. How does one get on the list for THAT!??!

-Porkuslime

 poda_t wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Tom I mean only in so far as delivering orders - I fully agree that the rest of the business practice was a total mess.

no. Not unless we see physical copies of documents identifying the new owners, as being distinct from Mr. Mandelbaum, from a lawyer that has placed their certified seal on the paper and is recognized to be a practicing member of the correct state's bar association.... I refuse to accept that any sane person wouldn't know how to do their research into a company's history before buying it, and then willingly taking over a business that's been sunk like this. This stinks.

Surely in order for the title of Resin Forge to be properly transferred to a new owner we'd need to see the prior documents showing that Resin Forge was indeed incorporated, who was involved with the company, and in what capacity.


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 porkuslime wrote:
The Facebook posts say there is a Skype session upcoming with the new owner. How does one get on the list for THAT!??!

-Porkuslime

If it is anything like the previous video the question is would you want to be on the invite list

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Well I just reported it to Facebook as a Scam/Spam. Not sure what good that'll do but if everyone reading this thread does it en masse maybe Facebook will take note.

You have my mouse!

As you say, not sure if it matters, but it could not hurt.

 Overread wrote:
Technically doesn't RF have a clean slate-

Nope! The name is poison, and if the stock was actually being bought by someone of any intelligence, they would know that there's no need to bring up the resin forge name at all. Forge World is Forge World. They get the inventory and do their own work with it, no need to dredge up all the pre-existing bad will from a company that never really existed in the first place.

Exactly. No-one in their right mind would expend any effort into fixing the RF name. Why buy a bad company with a poisoned reputation and almost no turnover and host a Skype conference to clear up any customers concerns, when you could just buy the stock and start with a clean slate?

At this point, the guys probably just trolling.

If he was serious about starting up a new scam, surely he'd appear under a different name and business?

Well without knowing how much "juice" resin forge has, I could see someone being interested in it from a search engine stand point. Not sure how much stickiness the domain has from an SEO ranking standpoint, especially given that the site has been shut down.

Also not sure how much "penetration" there is on the storied history of Mandelbaum so cant really determine how much of a PR black eye the company has. I'd assume there is a lot of traction out there on getting the word out but then again there are still people that buy things full price from GW that dont know about internet discounters.

That being said, even assuming best case that the resin forge brand is an SEO beast and that there isnt as much knowledge out there as it seems there is about mandelbaum, I cant see anyone with any real business sense wanting to touch resin forge. Just doing some basic due diligence on the company would raise too many red flags for me to invest

So Daniel is the owner again and has no wish to continue running RF er ....... didn't he leave and the NEW owners say that he was nothing to do with the company anymore! (no sirrih bob no Daniel M here or words to that effect ) So we should expect a NEW NEW owner who is also not Dan to buy the "Company" and start up trading

I've been looking at the page. I remember him having a hissy fit and shouting about not being Mandelbaum, then suddenly changing to being Mandelbaum and two others. Then he left and the two others were closing it down.. Now he's selling it.

"Resin Forge Store: Dakka says im Daniel and hive mind is Daniel as well. So im arguing with myself? In a private message? The fact the person keeps liking his own posts, its Kronk from Dakka. Hes the ONLY person on here ive seen like every comment they make.
Synes godt om · 5. juni 2013 kl. 03:42"

And

"Resin Forge Store: I told the guy 6 times and hes posted the same thing over and over. When we told him to call the police on Daniel if he felt that way he then said he doesnt operate that way and basically started talking about me being Daniel and jerking off at the pleasure of it. This is why we are shutting down. People exactly like this.
Synes godt om · Svar · 1 · 5. juni 2013 kl. 01:50"
I can only find these two bits of denying himself now.

You're right, I'm confused as hell.

i'm sorry if this is considered off-topic, as it is a question, not news, but wasn't Resin Forge's big move that they were going to the HH Weekender and were going to be bringing back a bunch of the Fulgrim sculpts to sell???
turns out they never attended, didn't have any Fulgrims, and had to issue a refund or two, all thanks to vigilant hobbyists keeping an eye on him...
as far as i remember, without going back through all 43 pages of this thread, Resin Forge did indeed get caught with their hand in the cookie jar...
please, correct me if i'm wrong...

cheers
jah

Deetoz wrote:

"Resin Forge Store: Dakka says im Daniel and hive mind is Daniel as well. So im arguing with myself? In a private message? The fact the person keeps liking his own posts, its Kronk from Dakka. Hes the ONLY person on here ive seen like every comment they make.
Synes godt om · 5. juni 2013 kl. 03:42"

Ah yes. They tried to blame Kronk Kronkington III for some pretty vile gak, as i recall.

Yes that is true Jah, he offered a pre-sale on items he could not get through any channel. Then he said he was going to the HH weekender promising to spend billions to get tons of them. Then FW announced 1 per customer. Then they ran out early. Then RF couldn't prove they even went, citing it was too hard to gather up any evidence... you know, like a single person seeing them, or their tags, or even a plane ticket stub. Nothing. They were posting other peoples pictures as their own though, then when asked to post a pic of them next to a model, they were unable to do so. Other pictures turned out to be other peoples.

So, all that to say, yes, absolutely, they sold or tried to sell goods they absolutely did not have as pre-order items. Eventually they could get fulgrims, but not at the time or place they advertised. So ya, BS sale there.

Then there is the fact that multiple times they claimed daniel was out of the company, when all along it was Daniel or his girlfriend/wife the parrot lady of texas. Went through 3 aliases on that one. They also went on a heavy campaign of harrassment, culminating in sending a threatening letter to me (from Daniels Dad no less LOL, it's very threatening when a 30 year old man living at home sends his 'Dad' to threaten you lol).

Then, towards the tail end of that scam, he opened BCS and tried to sell someone elses custom warhound, 3d designed and printed, which he never had, claiming to be a dude named Alan.

Then it was back to RF to try and keep going despite everyone being onto him, announcing they were proceeding despite the trolls. Then they shut down again a day or 2 later lol.


Anyways, you would be hard bloody pressed to find a single grain of truth in anything this clown says. Ever. He is a remorseless and compulsive liar, and nothing to do with him, this community, and business, could ever possibly be trusted as legitimate.

And the real mystery, years later, remains: As he's a fairly talented converter; why he doesn't just run a legitimate and profitable business.

We'll never know.

Ahhh I forgot about the Fulgrims and the pre-order lies! I take back my point on the orders being the one possibly "clean" part of RF!

(not sure how I forgot about the Fulgrims but somehow I managed to).



Ouze - greed probably. He likely thinks that he can make more money with short term shops that then close down whilst having large amounts of outstanding orders. He's already got a lot of tricks to get people to forgo their Paypal protection periods and the like. It might not even have all started as a scam, he might have just honestly made a mistake* a long long long time in the past and wound up with "free money" and decided that "hey this is a good idea, lets do it again only bigger scale!"



* From what I recall of his past dealings, at least those flagged and mentioned, if such a mistake happened it might have happened in only an isolated case and thus never came to the wider attention of the net; or it might have happened outside of the miniatures hobby - wouldn't surprise me if his "downtimes" between Warhammer shops were spent targeting other niche hobbies with similar style scams.

 ironicsilence wrote:
Well without knowing how much "juice" resin forge has, I could see someone being interested in it from a search engine stand point.

Given that the first 4 Google hits before you get to RF's Facebook page are forum or Blog threads talking about their dodgy behaviour, that seems unlikely.

I have reported the Resin Forge FB page to Face Book as a scam.

Not sure what good that will do as I am not sure if he sells through there but if enough people report it the page may get closed.

I have also alerted all of the UK groups I am part of, as some people I know were tempted to order from him before.

Yeah... FB doesn't appear to take that stuff very seriously but never hurts to try.

He seems to have a compulsive need for attention, if it wasn't for all the attempts to steal from people I'd have sympathy for him getting help.

Ironically, I owe Mandelbonder thanks, if not for him I wouldn't have become friends with Aj or Tommy Clark Munkey Joe. Who both have been in my house and we have had massives foods together.

His current admin is friends of some of my close personal friends, and I still find it odd that no one has ever seen this guy in any of the shops in DFW. Nor know anyone that plays games with him.

Very true. I have good friends that I talk to everyday because of this thread and me being pulled into it. I have no new info other than noticing the FB site was getting new activity.

 kronk wrote:

Deetoz wrote:

"Resin Forge Store: Dakka says im Daniel and hive mind is Daniel as well. So im arguing with myself? In a private message? The fact the person keeps liking his own posts, its Kronk from Dakka. Hes the ONLY person on here ive seen like every comment they make.
Synes godt om · 5. juni 2013 kl. 03:42"

Ah yes. They tried to blame Kronk Kronkington III for some pretty vile gak, as i recall.

Sadly, there will be no parrots as Morty (the bird) is the true mastermind behind everything and refuses to show himself. (just for you Kronk, love you buddy! really, you have a great sense of humor that no matter what, always brings a smile to everyone (not being sarcastic))

-Daniel

Via the RF FB page.

Seems like you may have a not-so-secret admirer Kronk.

Like I said, hes an attention seeking troll.

Has the time for their skype interview come yet?

Lets be honest here he never intended to host it. The most we'll get is a bunch of the usual gullible fans and dummy accounts saying "Well -I- saw it didnt you?".

 doc1234 wrote:
Lets be honest here he never intended to host it. The most we'll get is a bunch of the usual gullible fans and dummy accounts saying "Well -I- saw it didnt you?".

But I want it to be as glorious as the last time he organised a live video/not really live video sort of thing. I really really do.

I wonder if its worth locking this thread?
Considering his commentary it sounds like he's just baiting Dakka for attention or smokscreening (or a mix of both). Either way attention on Resin Forge is only feeding his attention seeking side. We don't really want to encourage him in these activities.

Until such time as its actually running again he can't scam anyone unless he's doing it totally by private correspondence, and we likely won't hear from those trading that way with him until something goes wrong for them.

Well being from Dallas and having several friends in the Dallas gaming community, I have no mutual friends with the new owner.
Bit odd that someone interested in owning a miniature company has no mutual friends with a painting studio in the same area.
I shall be making some further inquiries into this and see who knows our new friend Steven Burroughs.

Cheers

 Overread wrote:
I wonder if its worth locking this thread?
Considering his commentary it sounds like he's just baiting Dakka for attention or smokscreening (or a mix of both). Either way attention on Resin Forge is only feeding his attention seeking side. We don't really want to encourage him in these activities.

Until such time as its actually running again he can't scam anyone unless he's doing it totally by private correspondence, and we likely won't hear from those trading that way with him until something goes wrong for them.

Yes. Its troll action or its not, either way there is no store or shop. Until that happens this is the same go around as has been done before.

 warhamster77 wrote:

His current admin is friends of some of my close personal friends, and I still find it odd that no one has ever seen this guy in any of the shops in DFW. Nor know anyone that plays games with him.

 ExiledMiniatures wrote:
Well being from Dallas and having several friends in the Dallas gaming community, I have no mutual friends with the new owner.
Bit odd that someone interested in owning a miniature company has no mutual friends with a painting studio in the same area.
I shall be making some further inquiries into this and see who knows our new friend Steven Burroughs.

Cheers

He has stated he rarely games in shops.

Also, the new Admin is someone known in the area, now what does that exactly have to do with Exiled knowing him or not. From what I'm aware Exile is based in Arlington, Texas or of Forth Worth. Not even the same cities as where new Admin or even "mastermind" would be.

Until the new owner takes over, and or the store opens again, this is wasted energy . The correct course of action (IMHO) is to simply watch for anything that seems odd and then report.

EDIT: IF the store or shop opens again, we have heard this dance before, so lets see how it plays out.

bolters4life wrote:


Also, the new Admin is someone known in the area, now what does that exactly have to do with Exiled knowing him or not. From what I'm aware Exile is based in Arlington, Texas or of Forth Worth. Not even the same cities as where new Admin or even "mastermind" would be.

Until the new owner takes over, and or the store opens again, this is wasted energy . The correct course of action (IMHO) is to simply watch for anything that seems odd and then report.

EDIT: IF the store or shop opens again, we have heard this dance before, so lets see how it plays out.

This is probably the best thing to do. We don't know yet if it is him opening the store and we wont know until it does.
If it is him then we all know his methodology already and will be able to warn others about his dodgy reputation and his methods.

@Ouze, I agree with Overread. He seems to believe that there is no point in doing the work when he can get the cash for free. Its a sad thing really, especially when he is such a good converter and painter.

 master of ordinance wrote:


This is probably the best thing to do. We don't know yet if it is him opening the store and we wont know until it does.
If it is him then we all know his methodology already and will be able to warn others about his dodgy reputation and his methods.

@Ouze, I agree with Overread. He seems to believe that there is no point in doing the work when he can get the cash for free. Its a sad thing really, especially when he is such a good converter and painter.

Seems the best option (and only one) to me right now. We know how things have been in the past and we simply need to watch for it. If it happens, we warn others as has been the past shutting him down rather quickly each time. It is also very sad as his skill far exceeds the average and its shamed to see it wasted.

Overread - I'm torn on your opinion. I see it as a 50/50 way in that it could have been either way. Quick cash or slow work/lazy. Who knows. All we can do now is watch, wait and if anything comes up, let the community know.

I general, posts with no new facts don't help anyone and in fact make his case stronger. Personally, I hope that the fact his new Admin is known in the local community is a great sign. I just hope he doesn't get harassed over all of this when he clearly, from what ive seen and head, has a great reputation as a stand up man.

bolters4life wrote:
Personally, I hope that the fact his new Admin is known in the local community is a great sign. I just hope he doesn't get harassed over all of this when he clearly, from what ive seen and head, has a great reputation as a stand up man.

Well to play devils advocate, facebook friends means very little (which is what I assume warhamster meant). No one has seen him in a store that he knows, played a game against him, etc. He's just facebook friends. Some people have thousands of them and couldn't name 50, and don't know hundreds of them beyond clicking the accept button.

 motyak wrote:

bolters4life wrote:
Personally, I hope that the fact his new Admin is known in the local community is a great sign. I just hope he doesn't get harassed over all of this when he clearly, from what ive seen and head, has a great reputation as a stand up man.

Well to play devils advocate, facebook friends means very little (which is what I assume warhamster meant). No one has seen him in a store that he knows, played a game against him, etc. He's just facebook friends. Some people have thousands of them and couldn't name 50, and don't know hundreds of them beyond clicking the accept button.

Good point.

I do assume btw you are talking of, Daniel.

+1 Exalt.

bolters4life wrote:

 motyak wrote:

bolters4life wrote:
Personally, I hope that the fact his new Admin is known in the local community is a great sign. I just hope he doesn't get harassed over all of this when he clearly, from what ive seen and head, has a great reputation as a stand up man.

Well to play devils advocate, facebook friends means very little (which is what I assume warhamster meant). No one has seen him in a store that he knows, played a game against him, etc. He's just facebook friends. Some people have thousands of them and couldn't name 50, and don't know hundreds of them beyond clicking the accept button.

Good point.

I do assume btw you are talking of, Daniel.

+1 Exalt.

No, the new admin. Assuming that's who warhamster was talking about, that is.

Aaaaand shock of shocks, our good friend Danny M or at the very best, one of his dupes acting under his direct instructions, is posting in this thread pretending to have nothing to do with him(self).... Drawn out the second someone posts something even vaguely sympathetic and trying to spin the situation back to 'give Danny a chance land'.

I won't say directly who it is, but it's the guy with 3 posts total all from yesterday who has been lurking in this thread for over a week, rhymes with 'olters4life', starts with b.

Nice try DM. And this is why you and anything to do with you must never be trusted.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Aaaaand shock of shocks, our good friend Danny M or at the very best, one of his dupes acting under his direct instructions, is posting in this thread pretending to have nothing to do with him(self).... Drawn out the second someone posts something even vaguely sympathetic and trying to spin the situation back to 'give Danny a chance land'.

I won't say directly who it is, but it's the guy with 3 posts total all from yesterday who has been lurking in this thread for over a week, rhymes with 'olters4life', starts with b.

Nice try DM. And this is why you and anything to do with you must never be trusted.

I had my suspicions of this, but I take it you have confirmed this through the normal method the Mod's have used in the past?

bolters4life wrote:
Also, the new Admin is someone known in the area, now what does that exactly have to do with Exiled knowing him or not. From what I'm aware Exile is based in Arlington, Texas or of Forth Worth. Not even the same cities as where new Admin or even "mastermind" would be.

FWIW the DFW area consists of a lot of cities - Arlington and Fort Worth are part of the same metropolitan area.

It's like saying Humble and Houston are different cities. While technically correct it's an irrelevant distinction.

 gunslingerpro wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Aaaaand shock of shocks, our good friend Danny M or at the very best, one of his dupes acting under his direct instructions, is posting in this thread pretending to have nothing to do with him(self).... Drawn out the second someone posts something even vaguely sympathetic and trying to spin the situation back to 'give Danny a chance land'.

I won't say directly who it is, but it's the guy with 3 posts total all from yesterday who has been lurking in this thread for over a week, rhymes with 'olters4life', starts with b.

Nice try DM. And this is why you and anything to do with you must never be trusted.

I had my suspicions of this, but I take it you have confirmed this through the normal method the Mod's have used in the past?

It's confirmed yup. Not that anyone should be surprised at this point really... I wonder if we really need to bother with the whole denial song and dance, or a few newer fair-minded users giving the benefit of the doubt or distrusting me because I never say how I know or if we can just skip to it being acknowledged it's Daniel and move on lol. There might be a threat from his Daddy somewhere in there too eventually lol. Sigh.

Yes, definitely him or someone acting on his direct instructions, as the spelling and grammar are a bit better than usual. The lies are the same as always though.

bolters4life wrote:
Also, the new Admin is someone known in the area

Daniel has tried this "new Admin" angle sooooooooo many times. When I was negotiating with him under his Miniature Wargame Conversions cover, he swapped names several times, and couldn't even keep track of them himself. He kept saying "This person is no longer involved in the company, now it is this person" all the while using the same phrases, arguments, and delaying tactics as usual.

It is transparently obvious. How in the world you somehow (in the above quote) claim to know that the "new Admin" is "known in the area" is interesting. How did you come by this knowledge? And with 3 posts, why are you defending a known scammer?

I don't think it's worth going through the whole exercise of proving the endless sockpuppet accounts again. The main thing, for all of us here, is just to keep an eye out for any new commercial / converting / transactional behavior. That's all that has ever interested me, nipping the scams in the bud- and I'll be watching for the next one, as always, regardless of the antics that Daniel tries to pull to distract people and turn things into a witch hunt and martyrdom.

I encourage everyone else to remain focused on that same mission, as well- it's the only reason I'm posting here, and likely the last post I'll make on this subject. I've been down this road before and was largely responsible for exposing Daniel's true identity. At this point, he has become largely irrelevant to the wargaming community, and countless people are on the lookout for him trying a new scam. If he does, it will likely be exposed quickly and shut down, just like the last 3 have been.

But recycled excuses and delaying tactics like "new Admin"... come on, seriously. It is, again, transparently obvious what Daniel is doing... so, those of us who keep an eye on the wargaming selling/trading community will be watching and waiting for him, as always.

Once again I encourage folks not to play into Daniel's efforts and make a circus here. Just be focused on the true point- keeping him from scamming others, as he has a well documented history of doing. Give that thread a good read if you haven't seen this before, and please keep any "popcorn / piling on" posts out of this thread, as they do not help expose him- which is the only purpose of these threads.

He can never stay away for too long. So predictable.

Being from Dallas, makes me guilty when a proxy could have just as easily hid who I am? Also, knowing someone also makes me guilty when my posts took no sides.

The new Admin that keeps getting talked down to is a well known member of the DFW gaming community. Many people, even here know him, gamed with him or bought from him when he worked in various games stores.

I refuse to get into debates or arguing matches with anyone, let alone on a site known for it.

I simply gave my opinion just as everyone else and just like anyone who gives a general opinion on the matter, they are accused of being a doop or fool for DM. I'm not either of those.

I hope everyone has a wonderful day. I'm finding mine to be better then thought!




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 RiTides wrote:

bolters4life wrote:
Also, the new Admin is someone known in the area

Daniel has tried this "new Admin" angle sooooooooo many times. When I was negotiating with him under his Miniature Wargame Conversions cover, he swapped names several times, and couldn't even keep track of them himself. He kept saying "This person is no longer involved in the company, now it is this person" all the while using the same phrases, arguments, and delaying tactics as usual.

It is transparently obvious. How in the world you somehow (in the above quote) claim to know that the "new Admin" is "known in the area" is interesting. How did you come by this knowledge? And with 3 posts, why are you defending a known scammer?

Scroll up, warhamster knows him via others in the same gaming circles.

 MajorTom11 wrote:

I wonder if we really need to bother with the whole denial song and dance,

bolters4life wrote:
Being from Dallas, makes me guilty when a proxy could have just as easily hid who I am? Also, knowing someone also makes me guilty when my posts took no sides.

The new Admin that keeps getting talked down to is a well known member of the DFW gaming community. Many people, even here know him, gamed with him or bought from him when he worked in various games stores.

I refuse to get into debates or arguing matches with anyone, let alone on a site known for it.

I simply gave my opinion just as everyone else and just like anyone who gives a general opinion on the matter, they are accused of being a doop or fool for DM. I'm not either of those.

I hope everyone has a wonderful day. I'm finding mine to be better then thought!

Evidently, yes.

Edit

Oh, and Daniel, if you took the time to proofread and spellcheck, it would make it ever so slightly harder to spot you when you do this. But then, you have about a million other tells in your writing style, so probably not worth the effort.

I'm no doop.

I'm also wrong on it being warhamspter that mentioned Mr Burroughs and knowing personal friends that knew who as well. I will find the post later, its 2 or 3 pages back at least by now, if i had to guess.

I have to get back to it. I'm sure ill enjoy the mass paranoid posts you guys make over the next 2-3 hours.

bolters4life wrote:
Scroll up, warhamster knows him via others in the same gaming circles.

Yes, to quote his whole post:

 warhamster77 wrote:
His current admin is friends of some of my close personal friends, and I still find it odd that no one has ever seen this guy in any of the shops in DFW. Nor know anyone that plays games with him.

You must have misunderstood me. I have absolutely no doubt that Daniel Mandelbaum can dupe someone into working with/for him. He did it to many people under his Miniature Wargame Conversions cover. This is why it is important to expose his involvement in things, so that people know what they're getting into.

The fact that he can dupe a proxy into working with him means absolutely nothing- it is something he is absolutely known for. If he did not do so, I would start to doubt if Daniel Mandelbaum were really involved!

The point is, that you typed as if you have knowledge of the "new Admin" as well, which is why I asked how you came by this knowledge. It doesn't really matter who gets involved- the point is, Daniel Mandelbaum is, and that means that a scam is inevitably lurking around the corner.

Which is why I'll be watching for it, as always, along with others who have seen this exact same process play out several times before, with a nearly identical MO.

 RiTides wrote:

bolters4life wrote:
Scroll up, warhamster knows him via others in the same gaming circles.

Yes, to quote his whole post:

 warhamster77 wrote:
His current admin is friends of some of my close personal friends, and I still find it odd that no one has ever seen this guy in any of the shops in DFW. Nor know anyone that plays games with him.

You must have misunderstood me. I have absolutely no doubt that Daniel Mandelbaum can dupe someone into working with/for him. He did it to many people under his Miniature Wargame Conversions cover. This is why it is important to expose his involvement in things, so that people know what they're getting into.

The fact that he can dupe a proxy into working with him means absolutely nothing- it is something he is absolutely known for. If he did not do so, I would start to doubt if Daniel Mandelbaum were really involved!

The point is, that you typed as if you have knowledge of the "new Admin" as well, which is why I asked how you came by this knowledge. It doesn't really matter who gets involved- the point is, Daniel Mandelbaum is, and that means that a scam is inevitably lurking around the corner.

Which is why I'll be watching for it, as always, along with others who have seen this exact same process play out several times before, with a nearly identical MO.

Best. Post. Ever.

Right to the point and specifically, I agree with just about every single bit. Just as i was saying last night

Which is why I'll be watching for it, as always, along with others who have seen this exact same process play out several times before, with a nearly identical MO

But this. I am no doop and have known him for 17 years. I was not tricked into anything and have done zero wrong to any of you. I have even taken both sides.

You must have misunderstood me. I have absolutely no doubt that Daniel Mandelbaum can dupe someone into working with/for him. He did it to many people under his Miniature Wargame Conversions cover. This is why it is important to expose his involvement in things, so that people know what they're getting into.

Finally, this made me literally pee myself a bit.

If he did not do so, I would start to doubt if Daniel Mandelbaum were really involved!

>

bolters4life wrote:
I'm no doop.

Again, whether or not you are is totally irrelevant, what matters is what you are posting. Daniel interchanges his own posts with those of people he has tricked into supporting him quite liberally- it literally does not matter to me one bit to show whether you are "him" or just "a supporter".

bolters4life wrote:
I'm also wrong on it being warhamspter that mentioned Mr Burroughs and knowing personal friends that knew who as well. I will find the post later, its 2 or 3 pages back at least by now, if i had to guess.

Again, it doesn't matter. Has Daniel Mandelbaum, in nearly every one of his scams, gotten other known wargaming individuals to work with him? Yes. In every single one. So, why does it matter if a known scammer has a "new Admin"? The answer is: it doesn't matter at all, and I honestly don't care other than to point that person to his history of scamming, and let them make up their own mind about him. I've done so many times in the past, and it always ends in tears for the person who chose to work with/for him.

bolters4life wrote:
I have to get back to it. I'm sure ill enjoy the mass paranoid posts you guys make over the next 2-3 hours.

This, and the comment about "a site known for it" are extremely telling. Regardless, as I said, your identity matters to me not one bit, just what you post. And what you post is to try to clear the name of a known scammer, and it is very likely that you will do exactly the opposite. Once again, a "new Admin" is an approach Daniel Mandelbaum has used a half dozen times in the past. Why would any rational person believe that "this time will be different"?

The definition of insanity is: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. I encourage any and everyone who would be tempted to believe excuses made here to look at the History of Daniel Mandelbaum in the Wargaming Community thread for evidence on exactly why that would be a terrible idea.

"dupe". Seriously. It's spelled right in the posts you quote and then you go out of your way to misspell it.

Come on. At least pretend you care about communicating effectively.

On the contrary, I am not standing up for him in anyway. I have also agreed with many valid points raised.

As for tears, no. there are always three sides to a story and that would be my understanding on why there are still threads on him to begin with and now ones calling out Mr Burroughs.

(on a store/shop thats not even open nor has been from what i can see at least 8 months?)

bolters4life wrote:
But this. I am no doop and have known him for 17 years. I was not tricked into anything and have done zero wrong to any of you.

To be clear, I didn't say you had. I said Daniel Mandelbaum is a known scammer, who has countless times in the past made up aliases, used fake "friends" to defend him, all while also getting actual wargaming individuals to work with him to unknowingly help cover his tracks.

This is why your identity doesn't matter to me. They all get mixed together. When I tracked down everyone connected to his Miniature Wargame Conversions venture, I found that many were real individuals, who for some reason let their names be associated with him (and cut ties as soon as the scams were exposed). These individuals were mixed in with fake identities that Daniel Mandelbaum used.

Daniel Mandelbaum (or a "friend") even impersonated a lawyer to try to get the information about him on Dakka removed.

So again, to be clear:

1. I don't care if you are his friend of 17 years
2. I don't care if he has a "new Admin"
3. I don't care if either of those is really Daniel Mandelbaum

All I care about is that it is known that Daniel Mandelbaum is involved in any venture. If people decide to work with him once they know the facts, that is entirely their choice.

The rest is just smoke and mirrors, a dog and pony show designed to distract people from seeing the basic facts- which are, Daniel Mandelbaum uses both his own name, aliases, and real people to disguise his scams. But any venture involving Daniel Mandelbaum has always ended in a scam. There is no reason to believe any future ventures will not. That is the only reason this thread exists- to point out Daniel Mandelbaum's involvement in any venture, so that people can be informed.

So, for the tenth time- I don't care about the identity of any of the individuals involved- yourself, the "new Admin", or anyone else. Only that they are working with Daniel Mandelbaum, who has used many "good people" for his scams in the past, and would continue to do so if not for his being exposed so quickly by the wargaming community.

Resin Forge was no scam. Links please? they will simply show 2-3 people who had custom problems and were given refunds even after paper was provided as proof of shipping as well as tracking.

That is the one thing I will stand up for him over.

As for his MO, watch, wait, you will find nothing I'm afraid. I do understand your points and frankly, I do respect them. But please, do not say a company was a scam when it was not.

EDIT: All we can do is watch and wait to see how it plays out but know, my eyes are on both sides and I will not be played by either party, friend or forum. I will take both sides in and make my own mind up. Until them, lets watch for the MO you and others speak of!

Resin Forge was totally a scam. The only reason no one lost money is because it was exposed in record time, due to all the attention Daniel Mandelbaum now receives on Dakka whenever he tries a new scam.

The evidence of such is all over the prior portion of this thread, where he was taking preorders for a limited Forgeworld item and did not deliver it. People didn't lose money, but it was still a scam. Why do you think it wasn't one?

So, you admit you know him, and you were posting earlier in this thread pretending you didn't. Resin Forge wasn't a scam just means you can't read or can't be bothered to read, or, you are a dupe. It's not our job to convince you that DM is trouble, nor will you ever convince us otherwise. So why are you here exactly? To tell us we are paranoid? So paranoid I was exactly right, for the millionth time in a row lol? The fact you can't spell under pressure certainly is telling bud.

Daniel, you're boring. We don't give a gak about you, we only give a gak about the people you try to steal from, you don't seem to understand the difference there. You can lurk as you always do but keep your lies to yourself. No one believes you, no one cares about the rats in the sewers, they just worry about the diseases they carry. If you are going to attempt to drag the conversation in a direction where we pretend facts aren't facts, then I'm going to dump you for trolling and spamming. We aren't playing this start from scratch game again, that ship sailed, got old, was decommissioned, and is now a nice little coral reef off the coast of bs island.

Edit - Nope. We're not playing the pretend we didn't find out everything we found out game. Go read the history that answers your questions, we are not-redebating facts. Resin Forge scammed us by lying about being a company, lying about goods they never had access to, lying about the owners, lying about the owners relationship with one another. The end. And even if the didn't, and it shows who you are, Daniel Mandelbaum certainly has the history, and he is't getting out of it. He can change his names, change his companies, but he can't change himself or his history, and that's that. No one owes him anything, we don't need to give him another chance. We simply say -

NO. GO AWAY.

bolters4life wrote:Good question and I will ask but right off the top of head, companies take pre orders all the time and don't complete on time, Making people need to wait or send refunds.

(cough cough, GW for one, 90% of kick starters as well.)

Resin Forge was open for 9 months or so You really think that MO matched his old ones as you say? To me it seemed he turned a new leaf to run a legit company. And no im not standing up for any past actions and until i talk to him directly, this is all just IMHO.

(Edit: bolters4life had made an edit in the above post which contained an offer to "ask Daniel" about Resin Forge, which I replied to below)

Well, I'm not interested in playing the "telephone game" where a friend asks Daniel for his thoughts, then relays them here, etc. I have no interest in whether Daniel Mandelbaum has turned over a new leaf. Only tracking whether or not he is involved in a new venture.

If he is reviving Resin Forge, and has admitted as much, I really see no reason to continue the discussion.

I.e:

Daniel Mandelbaum is still involved in Resin Forge, and is using a "new Admin" and a "friend of 17 years" to speak for him.

That's all that really matters, he's still connected to it, you're his "friend of 17 years", and his fingerprints are all over it. "New Admin" or not, he's involved, and that's all this thread exists to point out.

If people choose to work with him after that, it's their choice... the facts are out there for all to see regarding his past scams and methods, which mirror current events.

Edit

No longer relevant in light of MT11's edit.

Tom, how is he stealing if there is no store or shop? (and by connection saying Mr Burroughs is a thief as well)

Because you feel you found Resin Forge FB page online? with a new owner coming in, with paper work, skype calls, the works and yet, just more insults from you, towards me, who did zero to you.

Banning me for speaking my mind would simply show this site cant even have valid conversations.






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 RiTides wrote:


Daniel Mandelbaum is still involved in Resin Forge, and is using a "new Admin" and a "friend of 17 years" to speak for him.

That's all that really matters, he's still connected to it, you're his "friend of 17 years", and his fingerprints are all over it. "New Admin" or not, he's involved, and that's all this thread exists to point out.

If people choose to work with him after that, it's their choice... the facts are out there for all to see regarding his past scams and methods, which mirror current events.

Steven is 31 years old and can be easily checked. No idea where you got a 17 year old from.

Also nice mod edit to remove my entire post just to insult me and talk about me. Really mature.

no one said he was 17, proof that you can't read

Cracks are showing now,

Mandelblow in 5...4...3...2....

I look forward to the skye call, if it actually happens, regardless of whether or not this is all leading up to another scam I'd like to hear the new owners reason, whether its real or not, for wanting to get the resin forge brand. His answer should be good for a laugh

 warhamster77 wrote:
no one said he was 17, proof that you can't read

Proof you have a studio, yet do not have a business license , nor list your address, just a phone number. Wow, RF did that too and was called a scam.

BTW your number shows you and he are actually very close ;P

I wish I had saved your post- to summarize, you were basically offering to talk to Daniel Mandelbaum as you said you are his friend of 17 years.

bolters4life wrote:
I am no doop and have known him for 17 years.

My point is, it matters not at all to me if you are his "friend" or not. This thread only exists to point out Daniel Mandelbaum's involvement with any venture. If you admit, as you have, that he is still involved in Resin Forge, "new Admin" or not, that's all people need to know.

They can make up their own minds on whether or not to deal with Daniel Mandelbaum's company, bearing in mind that he has done the same thing many times in the past.

Pretending this is a witch hunt or feigning martyrdom is also something that has come with every last venture. I have a feeling the goal was simply to get this thread locked. That's why I prefer engaging directly- your posts actually expose much more than they cover up about Daniel.

Perhaps worth pointing out for anyone who isn't aware, that "new admin" as far as FB is concerned, is merely one click from an existing Admin in the page.

So as any sort of implied authority, it is utterly meaningless and without any sort of gravitas.

The guy may not even know it's been done.

 RiTides wrote:
I wish I had saved your post- to summarize, you were basically offering to talk to Daniel Mandelbaum as you said you are his friend of 17 years.

bolters4life wrote:
I am no doop and have known him for 17 years.

My point is, it matters not at all to me if you are his "friend" or not. This thread only exists to point out Daniel Mandelbaum's involvement with any venture. If you admit, as you have, that he is still involved in Resin Forge, "new Admin" or not, that's all people need to know.

They can make up their own minds on whether or not to deal with Daniel Mandelbaum's company, bearing in mind that he has done the same thing many times in the past.

Pretending this is a witch hunt or feigning martyrdom is also something that has come with every last venture. I have a feeling the goal was simply to get this thread locked. That's why I prefer engaging directly- your posts actually expose much more than they cover up about Daniel.

I simply misread that as I'm replying to how many people at this point.

I will say your post, comes off as clear headed and makes valid points. I will end it there and say, I agree with you.

A: My phone is listed. B: My address is available upon request. C: I have never stolen from anybody, have even returned items that neither me nor the customer ordered. I live in Garland Tx, Mr Mandelbaum lives in Dallas. "close" is relative. And yes we a a legitimate studio, 1099 and everything. But nice try in trying to deflect the discussion in that you still can't read.

@Steve, this was it

Good question and I will ask but right off the top of head, companies take pre orders all the time and don't complete on time, Making people need to wait or send refunds.

(cough cough, GW for one, 90% of kick starters as well.)

Resin Forge was open for 9 months or so You really think that MO matched his old ones as you say? To me it seemed he turned a new leaf to run a legit company. And no im not standing up for any past actions and until i talk to him directly, this is all just IMHO.

Good then! We are agreed that:

1. It doesn't matter what your identity is- I am happy to grant that you are Daniel Mandelbaum's "friend of 17 years"... I have spoken to many of his "friends" in the past.
2. It doesn't matter that a "new Admin" is involved in the company, or what the identity of this individual is.
3. Daniel Mandelbaum has frequently used both fake "friends" and real wargaming individuals in his scams, and he is still involved in Resin Forge. The two are mixed together in every one of his scams.

So, as long as Daniel Mandelbaum's involvement in Resin Forge is highlighted in clear, bright, blinking neon letters... he is welcome to try and resurrect it. People can make their own choices on whether or not to deal with him, based on his history.

That fact being out there is literally the only thing I care about in relation to Daniel Mandelbaum. People can make their own choices from there.

Share the 1099 you "have". Only seems fair as frankly, i do not trust you nor as you trust me or Mr Mandelbaum or Mr Burroughs.

Also, its not a 1 click to make an admin. It takes the other party to accept.

Oh, two clicks?

My sincerest apologies, I will go and flagellate myself immediately and at length.

Thanks for preserving that post, Tom, much appreciated! I think it is good "evidence", and I agree that we don't need to continue the charade... just always like to have things come out of their own accord for all to see.

I'm not even sure what the above post means, so I'll leave it here.

As a final note- once again, many "friends" and real wargamers have been involved in Daniel Mandelbaum's schemes. The important thing to remember is that he is involved, and it is now clear that he is still involved with Resin Forge, as confirmed above by the person posting here.

Bolters4life will no longer be joining us, it is very obvious what his strategy is, we've been down that road before, and I'm not wasting my time or anyone else's debating something that is very, very clear, corroborated and on the record. This is not the first time nor the last time Daniel or one of his dupe's has come in and tried to 'prove' that RF was legit as if somehow, even if it were true (it's not), that would in turn mean Daniel is legit. Daniel is still under the impression that if he finds the right combination of alias and company it will mean we all suddenly forget the dozens of people he has scammed over the past decade and he is suddenly trustworthy. Not gonna happen D.

Now, back to realistic discussion and our vigil.

Just for it to be clear- As an Admin of a couple Facebook groups the other party does not have to accept to be made an Admin. One click and you're done. It would be very possible for the person to not know it, especially if they have group notifications turned off.

That's a fair point, Sinful Hero, although imo not really relevant because Daniel has convinced people to be his "new Admin" several times in the past.

So, if he has convinced a real wargamer to work with him, it just points to more of the same behavior... if the "new Admin" turns out to be real, it really makes no difference, as bolters4life has demonstrated here that Daniel Mandelbaum is still involved either way.

Yup, the last person he convinced to be an admin was our very own AJ, who ended up being a big mistake for Daniel as AJ was actually an honest guy willing to put in the time to read the case history... as soon as he did, the jig was up. This is not his first proxy admin and alias by any means...

The fact his previous admins were either him, or, turned on him when they realized the lies were constant and overwhelming is a pretty well documented thing in and of itself now.

Aj, is a good guy, and a good friend. I am proud to admit he is potentially more honest than me.

Daniel seems to find it fabricate supporters who time and again spin the same line about turning a new leaf, how there are two sides to every story, false claims of threats to his person, and usually flat denials and rejection of heaps of evidence and personal testimony for those scammed. The last step is usually to start abusing Dakka users, I've read so many Mandelbaum threads now. Best to nip it in the bus before going through 20 pages of the usual rubbish.

I don't understand what mileage Mandelbaum sees in the thoroughly discredited Resin Forge, but for all his scheming we know he isn't the sharpest tool in the box. He often seems indignant that we prevent him ripping people off, maybe he just doesn't see it as wrong in any way.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
He often seems indignant that we prevent him ripping people off, maybe he just doesn't see it as wrong in any way.

Often the people con artists are best at lying to are themselves.

Thanks for the quick defense guys!

Funny that a new member on Dakka would know where I live despite my profile saying Dallas.

Not that the fact that he quickly got defensive and started going in circles didn't already give it away.

Good job Daniel.

Presumably as Resin Forge is being sold Mandelbaum will have registered it as required by law. Bolters4life might gain some credibility by sharing the information.

Wow! I've never seen DM at work. Thanks for provoking him so we can all see is writing/argument style.


Weak....

 ExiledMiniatures wrote:
Thanks for the quick defense guys!

Funny that a new member on Dakka would know where I live despite my profile saying Dallas.

Not that the fact that he quickly got defensive and started going in circles didn't already give it away.

Good job Daniel.

I banned that account... but if he came up with a business #, I would surely let him back in! Daniel knows my email address. Or his Dad does. Otherwise they are just here to sow bs... ask for evidence, ignore giant evidence thread. lol.

bolters4life wrote:


Seems the best option (and only one) to me right now. We know how things have been in the past and we simply need to watch for it. If it happens, we warn others as has been the past shutting him down rather quickly each time. It is also very sad as his skill far exceeds the average and its shamed to see it wasted.

Overread - I'm torn on your opinion. I see it as a 50/50 way in that it could have been either way. Quick cash or slow work/lazy. Who knows. All we can do now is watch, wait and if anything comes up, let the community know.

I general, posts with no new facts don't help anyone and in fact make his case stronger. Personally, I hope that the fact his new Admin is known in the local community is a great sign. I just hope he doesn't get harassed over all of this when he clearly, from what ive seen and head, has a great reputation as a stand up man.

Hello, Daniel. Ready for the next scam ?

EDIT: Didn't read that he's already banned. Ah well.

We know exactly who he is and where he lives right?

Are his local Police doing anything or do they just not care?

Like sands through the mentally deranged hourglass...

Eric

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
We know exactly who he is and where he lives right?

Are his local Police doing anything or do they just not care?

Any attempts during his last scam to get police involvement were ignored.
At this point there isn't anything for the police to do. If he takes money from someone though it becomes a different story.

Maybe, maybe not. The cops don't take it seriously. The amounts are not significant enough individually. It would take a group acting together to really nail him. Ultimately the authorities are the only ones who can or should take action against him. We can keep trying to make them notice when he acts up, but the only thing that is completely in our control is making sure we do what we can to keep this blight out of our community and spread the word. And that's what we'll do.

The legal front has got problems:

1) Daniel only takes small amounts when compared to other crimes/scams; he's basically small-fry and too small for most to worry about the paperwork for.

2) His companies have often worked internationally which makes it a lot harder to get a group organised and able to take legal action.

3) The time and money involved in bringing him to court is likely more than most people have lost to him; so at a finance level its a risk - plus a very good chance that even if he did get court fines he'd likely not pay them (or simply delay paying for so long its not worth it).

4) Miniature wargames are - to many people, basically toys so unless Daniel started scamming thousands of pounds on a regular constant basis its just not enough for police to be worried about.


I do recall in the past that there has been some police involvement and I think in the RF case there was a crime number someone had of a local force who were looking into/gathering data. However I don't think anything has come from it.

I suspect the only thing that will shut him down is if payment services (paypal) and trading sites kick him out. He's already banned from ebay (if I recall right) and the forums/hobby websites generally kick him out when he's exposed and evidence presented to them.
So the more ways he can take money that are shut down the more "risky" ways he is left with, risky in the sense for the buyer and normal flags of a scam setup (things like "Western Union" and Bank transfers).

bolters4life wrote:
Resin Forge was no scam. Links please? they will simply show 2-3 people who had custom problems and were given refunds even after paper was provided as proof of shipping as well as tracking.

That is the one thing I will stand up for him over.

As for his MO, watch, wait, you will find nothing I'm afraid. I do understand your points and frankly, I do respect them. But please, do not say a company was a scam

Well, I'm still sitting on a pint for Daniel and his buddies, after their no-show at the HH Weekender last year, which they were taking 'empty suitcases' to, to bring back 'bagfulls' of Fulgrims.

Which they never did. Luckily, no-one was taken in by the scam and so no money was lost.

Still a scam though, even though it FAILED.

Though I do owe Danny boy a debt of thanks - I've made a couple of good friends/ contacts in North America which is nice.

EDIT: apologies, really should read through the whole bloody thread..... Still, my last point stands.

 Overread wrote:
The legal front has got problems:

1) Daniel only takes small amounts when compared to other crimes/scams; he's basically small-fry and too small for most to worry about the paperwork for.

what about scam artists asking for $5-20 for charities to build schools in africa or chile? Doesn't matter if it's small sums, it does add up. The question is how seriously it's taken by the police.

2) His companies have often worked internationally which makes it a lot harder to get a group organised and able to take legal action.

yes and no. Nobody wants to deal with it becasuse of the pain involved in corresponding and having everything check out. It's not that it's harder, it's that it's more paperwork and correspondence that nobody wants to deal with

3) The time and money involved in bringing him to court is likely more than most people have lost to him; so at a finance level its a risk - plus a very good chance that even if he did get court fines he'd likely not pay them (or simply delay paying for so long its not worth it).

unless of course you are the state that's bringing to trial a criminal individual. You might get your stuff back, you might not, but it's still worth it to engage in the effort of seeing him put through the justice system. Class action civil law suit? Probably a waste of time. Witness in a criminal prosecution? There's ways to allow for people to be in court without being in court. And yes, it's a lot of time and money as well, but it's in the state's hands, so cost isn't the real issue, but the perceived seriousness.

4) Miniature wargames are - to many people, basically toys so unless Daniel started scamming thousands of pounds on a regular constant basis its just not enough for police to be worried about.

that's a fine line between a toy and not a toy. Souped up Supra? ehhhhhhh I'm going to call that a toy. I agree about the ammount, but it doesn't even have to be thousands, it can be hundreds. A cutpurse is still going to get bagged even if all he manages to steal are $15 worth of cheques, if he gets caught, he's goign to end up being fed to the justice system. It's how seriously the item in question is taken, and that stigma around grown men playing with dolls.... well?.... ..... well!...

I suspect the only thing that will shut him down is if payment services (paypal) and trading sites kick him out. He's already banned from ebay (if I recall right) and the forums/hobby websites generally kick him out when he's exposed and evidence presented to them.
So the more ways he can take money that are shut down the more "risky" ways he is left with, risky in the sense for the buyer and normal flags of a scam setup (things like "Western Union" and Bank transfers).

well, there's always gettign serious about your scamming and creating new accounts, getting fake names to create said accounts, etc.

Poda I think some people have tried to drum up a class action; but from memory (I think its mentioned earlier in this thread) you actually have to scam a very large sum of money before a class action can be filed against you; so again its his smaller scale of operation that in effect protects him. (it was either class action or international class action that had the money based limit on it).

Also considering how he has trouble posing as other people I suspect Daniel is simply not in a position to actually create fake bank account details. The closest he'd likely get is using a local person he knows well (ergo a friend) to register details in their name for him or go into business with him.
It's also likely that he might be avoiding doing such so as to not attract attention of the banks who would be more likely to take him to court. I suspect that its the more serious nature that Ebay takes today with protecting customers which explains why he's not using (far as I recall/ weknow) Ebay any more.

 Overread wrote:
Poda I think some people have tried to drum up a class action; but from memory (I think its mentioned earlier in this thread) you actually have to scam a very large sum of money before a class action can be filed against you; so again its his smaller scale of operation that in effect protects him. (it was either class action or international class action that had the money based limit on it).

Also considering how he has trouble posing as other people I suspect Daniel is simply not in a position to actually create fake bank account details. The closest he'd likely get is using a local person he knows well (ergo a friend) to register details in their name for him or go into business with him.
It's also likely that he might be avoiding doing such so as to not attract attention of the banks who would be more likely to take him to court. I suspect that its the more serious nature that Ebay takes today with protecting customers which explains why he's not using (far as I recall/ weknow) Ebay any more.

i wasn't rooting for a civil class action. at that point it'd be cheaper for the involved individuals to just buy their own models. Criminal action brought by the state? Oh hell yes.

As to the fake ID? It's not the ease of it, it's the attempt and trying to actually do it. technically, engaging in a contract using a fake name isn't something that's taken in a positive light. And it's not the banks that will take him to court for the fake ID, but the state for violating any one of several criminal codes.

Poda, your convictions not withstanding it simply hasn't worked out in the way you think it would when it comes to these institutions being interested.

that's the thing though. It's worked out exactly how I thought, which is just snickering and "yeah, sure, I'll get right on it and send this up to the chief once i've typed it off on my invisible typewriter"

I'm trying to decipher this thread , but can someone explain to me a little bit more in detail on what exactly is occuring?

1. He is a person claiming to have access to 3D printable files for Forgeworld, the after payment claims the files were damage and does not provide the models?

And some questions

1. Does he only accept cash?
2. Has anyone from another state ever wired him money?
3. Has anyone ever mailed him money?
4. Has anyone sent a money order to him that was purchased through the US Postal Service?


Thanks, because if he has done any of those he's committed a felony. Just contact the US Post Office they have a specific division dedicated to mail fraud. They take it pretty seriously.

If anyone wired him money, that's wire fraud. That's a felony.

The amount doesn't matter, it's not "theft". It's fraud which is a lot worse especially if its over state lines. So if anyone has that information that would be great and I can post some resources.

Oh if he has more than one person working for him or helping him that's conspiracy to commit fraud ( uh would have to be at the office to look it up, but that's SUPER serious).

One person doing this is less time than if it's more than one.

https://ribbs.usps.gov/locators/find-is.cfm

That's the number for the postal inspector, while not the area I work in really at all and I'm not a lawyer just very familiar with CJ as I have a degree in it. Anyway , that's a federal crime it also does cover electronic mediums. The police wouldn't visit his house, a federal agent would.

Hollismason wrote:
I'm trying to decipher this thread , but can someone explain to me a little bit more in detail on what exactly is occuring?

1. He is a person claiming to have access to 3D printable files for Forgeworld, the after payment claims the files were damage and does not provide the models?

And some questions

1. Does he only accept cash?
2. Has anyone from another state ever wired him money?
3. Has anyone ever mailed him money?
4. Has anyone sent a money order to him that was purchased through the US Postal Service?


Thanks, because if he has done any of those he's committed a felony. Just contact the US Post Office they have a specific division dedicated to mail fraud. They take it pretty seriously.

If anyone wired him money, that's wire fraud. That's a felony.

The amount doesn't matter, it's not "theft". It's fraud which is a lot worse especially if its over state lines. So if anyone has that information that would be great and I can post some resources.

Oh if he has more than one person working for him or helping him that's conspiracy to commit fraud ( uh would have to be at the office to look it up, but that's SUPER serious).

One person doing this is less time than if it's more than one.

https://ribbs.usps.gov/locators/find-is.cfm

That's the number for the postal inspector, while not the area I work in really at all and I'm not a lawyer just very familiar with CJ as I have a degree in it. Anyway , that's a federal crime it also does cover electronic mediums. The police wouldn't visit his house, a federal agent would.

Looks like you need to just set back and read the thread.......

Hollismason wrote:
I'm trying to decipher this thread , but can someone explain to me a little bit more in detail on what exactly is occuring?

1. He is a person claiming to have access to 3D printable files for Forgeworld, the after payment claims the files were damage and does not provide the models?

And some questions

1. Does he only accept cash?
2. Has anyone from another state ever wired him money?
3. Has anyone ever mailed him money?
4. Has anyone sent a money order to him that was purchased through the US Postal Service?


Thanks, because if he has done any of those he's committed a felony. Just contact the US Post Office they have a specific division dedicated to mail fraud. They take it pretty seriously.

If anyone wired him money, that's wire fraud. That's a felony.

The amount doesn't matter, it's not "theft". It's fraud which is a lot worse especially if its over state lines. So if anyone has that information that would be great and I can post some resources.

Oh if he has more than one person working for him or helping him that's conspiracy to commit fraud ( uh would have to be at the office to look it up, but that's SUPER serious).

One person doing this is less time than if it's more than one.

https://ribbs.usps.gov/locators/find-is.cfm

That's the number for the postal inspector, while not the area I work in really at all and I'm not a lawyer just very familiar with CJ as I have a degree in it. Anyway , that's a federal crime it also does cover electronic mediums. The police wouldn't visit his house, a federal agent would.

You have a lot of information there that's correct in theory, though not so much in practice.
USPS claims to make a big deal about Mail Fraud. In my time on Bartertown as both, a member and as staf, I've probably seen a dizen or more reports about Mail Fraud get made to the USPS site and to the IC3 site (which is supposed to take it "very seriously," too). Know how many of those dozen+ have ever beein investigated?
ZIPPO.

You have to push HARD to get any help from the police. They want to treat it like a broken contract, which removes them from the picture and takes you straight to a lawyer and/or court (usually small claims).

Eric

Further on topic, no activity from ResinForge in over 2 weeks.

Yeah last activity was on the 30th May, where he's even trying to make jokes back regarding parrots.

I guess he didn't get the attention he was hoping for or whatever alternative plan he has already went into motion/fell apart. Might even be that he was hoping for a slew of people rallying to support and wanting to purchase and sending emails of interest to that effect - and when he got little to nothing gave up.

Wouldn't surprise me if he hope he could get one last bang of "new owner come make orders/pre-orders" and then do a runner as he's done in the past.

Sometimes, on behalf of the miniature gaming community, I wish we could file a class-action lawsuit against this guy...

Well, if anyone actually knows a pro bono lawyer who wants to take it up (perhaps who is a wargamer themselves / for the good of the community) feel free to PM me, as I have a ton of compiled evidence just waiting for such a day.

However, I think any discussion of legal action belongs in PM, rather than in this thread, so like I said feel free!

Well guys, quick question. do you have his physical address to start sending such law suits?
if you need it PM me 'cause I do!!!!!

I'm putting the hammer down.

Just google him, his address is easy to find through the webpage Whitepages IIRC. Why do you wish to do something, has he taken money from you recently?

huh.


I'm going to lock for this now, if only as this is quite an old thread really.

I guess if people do want further info they can always PM the above gent.