Howard A Treesong wrote: Your posts doesn't make sense. The evidence for BCS being Mandelbaum isn't based on any diagnosis, the evidence comes from elsewhere. I'm merely pointing out that every time we run into mandelbaum his behaviour is the same and has been consistently displaying all these traits for numerous years.
The "evidence" I've seen (the anonymous "confirmation" aside) is one based on "similarity of behaviour", and it is the same "behavioural patterns" that form the basis of this tele-diagnosis going on here.
I don't see how they are different.
If you link Website A to person B on the grounds of ... say .. a certain recurring dyslexic spelling error, this "evidence" is contradicted when you show that the same dyslexic spelling error is actually a moderately wide-spread condition many people suffer from, no? It would no longer be "unique" to only that one website and that one person you're trying to connect.
Im still not certain its him but thanks a lot for the warning, its still a scam afterall.
Its nice to see that the community looks out for itself like this and one of the reasons I love being a part of it, even if it is a bit creepy sometimes !!
It's hardly a medical diagnosis. Posting behaviour, harassment and business practices being the same doesn't really have anything to do with his condition(if any).
Whether Mr. DM has a medical condition or not isn't of any value, recognising when you're dealing with him, or someone incredibly like him, is.
Not really sure how it's "creepy" either. It's not like they are actively seeking Mandelbaum out, he is exposed through his own actions.
Tom's "confirmation" is still not validated by any other source or hard evidence.
What I can say is - as the person who originally alerted the actual creator and owner of the Titan and as a person thoroughly involved in the Resin Forge altercation - that I have seen diverse excerpts from conversations originating fom "Alan Welson" (no, I won't tell you the sources either, Mandelbaum is known to stalk and harass everybody he has contact details of). These excerpts make it very clear that "Alan Welson" was from the beginning extremely well informed about a lot of details of the Resin Forge case (him referencing them in the conversations). Which means that long before he actually opened the Facebook page and created "Black Crusade Studio" he was following very precisely the Resin Forge Case.
Apart from that in each previous "case" of Mandelbaumism there were always people who did not believe it was Mandelbaum, not even when they saw independent documents. So, well, it's really up to you
As for the question of medical diagnosis or not: I do not care at all. Even if it were a medical condition he would still be a scumbag. And yes, a lot of eyes are always watching out for scams of all kinds - just the ones of Mandelobaum are plainly speaking of so imbecile a nature that they are impossible to overlook or not notice. It's the exactly same modus operandi each frikkin' time.
Tom's "confirmation" is still not validated by any other source or hard evidence.
What I can say is - as the person who originally alerted the actual creator and owner of the Titan and as a person thoroughly involved in the Resin Forge altercation - that I have seen diverse excerpts from conversations originating fom "Alan Welson" (no, I won't tell you the sources either, Mandelbaum is known to stalk and harass everybody he has contact details of). These excerpts make it very clear that "Alan Welson" was from the beginning extremely well informed about a lot of details of the Resin Forge case (him referencing them in the conversations). Which means that long before he actually opened the Facebook page and created "Black Crusade Studio" he was following very precisely the Resin Forge Case.
Apart from that in each previous "case" of Mandelbaumism there were always people who did not believe it was Mandelbaum, not even when they saw independent documents. So, well, it's really up to you
Nobody doubts that the circumstantial evidence is pretty water-tight here (unless, the patterns actually mirror a more common clinical disorder that many people share, which would significantly weaken the value of inference based on similarities in behaviour).
But it is still circumstantial evidence based on inference, no?
That would be up to a court to decide. Or in this case: up to everybody themselves. I myself had the suspicion since the "studio" was set up, for me subjectively it is confirmed. I will not try to force that on other people, I wil just add and comment points that in my opinion suport that view.
Zweischneid wrote: Nobody doubts that the circumstantial evidence is pretty water-tight here (unless, the patterns actually mirror a more common clinical disorder that many people share, which would significantly weaken the value of inference based on similarities in behaviour).
But it is still circumstantial evidence based on inference, no?
I can't help but feeling, as you are the progenitor of this thread, that you are being unneccessarily contrarian for the sake of playing devil's advocate.
I can't help but feeling, as you are the progenitor of this thread, that you are being unneccessarily contrarian for the sake of playing devil's advocate.
No.
I merely pointed out that the behaviour of some people in this thread was/is highly questionable.
For some reason, criticism of the people in this thread has been equaled to me trying to defend Daniel Mandelbaum/BCS in some way, which is not the case.
I fully agree with the conclusions reached in this thread about BCS and Daniel Mandelbaum (though more precise vocabulary on what is evidence and what is justified inference would be appreciated).
Completely unrelated to the BCS / Daniel Mandelbaum case however, some of the behaviour on display here by some Dakka members has also been rather repulsive (fueled, perhaps, be a self-perception of occupying some kind of "moral high ground").
I started this thread because pointing out questionable behaviour is the right thing to do. It is the exact same motivation that prompted my more recent posts in this thread.
Tom's "confirmation" is still not validated by any other source or hard evidence.
What I can say is - as the person who originally alerted the actual creator and owner of the Titan and as a person thoroughly involved in the Resin Forge altercation - that I have seen diverse excerpts from conversations originating fom "Alan Welson" (no, I won't tell you the sources either, Mandelbaum is known to stalk and harass everybody he has contact details of). These excerpts make it very clear that "Alan Welson" was from the beginning extremely well informed about a lot of details of the Resin Forge case (him referencing them in the conversations). Which means that long before he actually opened the Facebook page and created "Black Crusade Studio" he was following very precisely the Resin Forge Case.
Apart from that in each previous "case" of Mandelbaumism there were always people who did not believe it was Mandelbaum, not even when they saw independent documents. So, well, it's really up to you
Nobody doubts that the circumstantial evidence is pretty water-tight here (unless, the patterns actually mirror a more common clinical disorder that many people share, which would significantly weaken the value of inference based on similarities in behaviour).
But it is still circumstantial evidence based on inference, no?
As a step in here, the Moderators of Dakka do keep tabs on things that affect the site and community as a whole. There is evidence they are keeping close to the vest of which some I believe is first hand contact of DM and his operations on multiple occasions over the years as he has morphed from one project to the next that he spearheads. The DCM Forums has a thread invested in keeping tabs on his activity to warn us ahead of time before we get duped again for example (of keeping tabs on things that affect the site and community as a whole).
You will perhaps also consider the other Mods know the evidence source, have seen it, and back me up as well in terms of proof. Though I do not reveal the methods publicly, some rare few have seen it, though I realize that may still be lacking for you or vulnerable to conspiracy charges. But at least it is not just one person.
I was you Zwei, go ack to the Serpius thread and you will see I strongly took your exact same position with regards to circumstantial evidence. I very much understand your position and also the desire not to participate in an aggressive situation without being 100% sure.
That being said, I will also assume the moral high ground comment was directed at me too. You know what? Ya I think I have it. I have spent a great deal of time on ths because my friends were victimized, and because I have been 1st hand lied to by this manipulator. He is a thief and a liar.I am not. I do what I do so more people don't end up like so many other victims of his. This community is nothing but prey to him. I am not paid or otherwise rewarded for my efforts, I just do it because I believe it to be the right thing. So, if one asks if I have the moral high ground vs a criminal targeting my friends and community, I say yes.
Whether or not he has a mental illness is also immaterial for me, I am not able to diagnose or treat him, and the motivation for a crime does not erase te crime. We can only attempt to protect ourselves from his activities here, not intervene into his life beyond that. That is for the judicial and psychiatric system. At the end of the day, your wallet stolen for profit or your wallet stolen for compulsion is still a stolen wallet to you on your end.
I merely pointed out that the behaviour of some people in this thread was/is highly questionable.
For some reason, criticism of the people in this thread has been equaled to me trying to defend Daniel Mandelbaum/BCS in some way, which is not the case.
I fully agree with the conclusions reached in this thread about BCS and Daniel Mandelbaum (though more precise vocabulary on what is evidence and what is justified inference would be appreciated).
Completely unrelated to the BCS / Daniel Mandelbaum case however, some of the behaviour on display here by some Dakka members has also been rather repulsive (fueled, perhaps, be a self-perception of occupying some kind of "moral high ground").
I started this thread because pointing out questionable behaviour is the right thing to do. It is the exact same motivation that prompted my more recent posts in this thread.
Some of the behavior in the thread is questionable? Attributing a psychological disorder to a scammer with a known pattern is misguided and potentially offensive, but repulsive? Moral high ground? People feel morally superior to someone who consistentantly tries to scam people and that is shocking to you in some way?
You agree with the case made, consider it water tight, but then bring up that it is only circumstantial and that there is a fine line between evidence and inference.
"I'm convinced, he's the perpetrator. No actual evidence here though. Could possible be someone else." is essentially what you're saying. Does that statement not feel odd to you?
EDIT: Dammit Tom, why are you so quick on the draw
If you take time to read through the thread it is pretty obvious who it is. I'm not sure why you'd doubt Tom/the MODs, they didn't mislead us before.
I don't doubt them. But it's not "evidence" either. Not sure why you fail to see the difference.
And I don't doubt that it is a scam, but that doesn't change that medical remote-internet diagnosis is also - frankly - very creepy.
There is no "either-or" involved in either of the above.
Like most soldiers, I like to take the direct approach.
While I agree with you that its a bit needless people playing amateur-Freud and making medical diagnoses and such, it's irrelevant to the fact that hes a thieving bugger, and a morally despicable one at that. I honestly put people that consistently and endlessly cheat hardworking people, pretty much on par with rapists. Its not like dodging a parking ticket, its fleecing innocent citizens of their hard earned coin, outright fraud, blatant theft. Its morally disgusting.
Ergo, while I agree with you that playing amateur psychologist is pretty needless, when we can just say "avoid this thieving bastard" surely so too is your, fence-sitting, "I entirely agree with you, but kind of don't really" attitude!
For the sake of keeping things black and white, you are in agreement with everyone else, so why concern yourself with it?
Whatever this guy is or isnt, hes a fething dirtbag. So lets just keep it that simple eh?
I honestly put people that consistently and endlessly cheat hardworking people, pretty much on par with rapists.
This kind of statements probably falls into the category of over-the-top statements Zweischneid was referring to. No matter what: cheating somebody out of maximum a couple hundred bucks for toy soldiers - to me - is not even close to the bodily and psychological harm of rape, that's just ridiculous.
So maybe we should - as always recommended - stick to the collection of actual events and leave such emotional comments out. It's not helpful, it will just end up with Mandelbaum or Welson claiming (again) somebody sent him death threats and that's the reason he can't deliver those titans.
Mandelbaum is a compulsive liar, cheat and thief. His stories are often hugely complex and taken to extreme, he puts in far more time and effort than is worth anything he could hope to get out. The Resin Forge thing for example, he dragged it out for weeks with false identities and getting his wife involved to make deranged video messages. It becomes more of a perverse game than anything else, he spun out RF far beyond the point when anyone would actually give him money. That's why I think entering into any correspondence with him or having people volunteer to become a spokesman or intermediary is a mistake as it just lets him enjoy the run around more. Even getting into a game of whack-a-mole on Facebook with him deleting messages as quick as they go up seems of dubious value to me, it perpetuates the cat and mouse game. That's just my feeling on the situation, having seen this same thing repeat time after time.
A reader alerted me again to BCS's/ Alan Welson's renewed activity in Facebook groups:
He's starting to post in groups like "WH40k and The Horus Heresy", trying to get feedback on his wares. Additionally, hiding behind mods expecting protection when people do question his now utterly dubious reputation. One to watch.
Its not like dodging a parking ticket, its fleecing innocent citizens of their hard earned coin, outright fraud, blatant theft. Its morally disgusting.
I thought you were talking about Games Workshop for a second there. Jokes aside,
This thread makes me happy, because it shows that there are some really caring people on Dakka Dakka, who are trying to make the wargaming world a better place.
Thanks for that guys!
Inquisitor S.
To refresh the memory of Alan here the screenshot of Big Bad's response as posted on Alan's own page:
http://i.imgur.com/3mSG0rQ.jpg
Alan Welson
Inquisitor S. Lexicanum That is not a reply to any of my emails. That could have been wrote by you. I do not trust you in any way shape of form. You make claims against people without ever taking both sides then use it to timply build a larger following.
Show me a SINGLE reply to any of my emails to Catwel/BigBad. You have my email as Catwel most certainly does. Forward the email you claim was sent.
5 minutes ago ·
Inquisitor S. Lexicanum There was no email, there was a public reponse, as you well know Old wannabe trickster you Here is the link, as you well know, after all it was you who repeatedly deleted it from your page. There is no private response required as Big Bad decided to answer you publicly for everybody to see so you couldn't claim he did not answer you (still you try )
http://www.dakkadakka.com/.../posts/list/180/548621.page... And yes, you are welcome
P.S.: were you not supposed to be so busy at your work that you wouldn't have time to surf around on Facebook? Or was that also again... not true. ^^
5:22pm (about a minute ago)
Alan Welson
I suggest you contact Tommy Clark Munkey-Joe As he was sent a copy of the email I sent on the first day. I have tried to resolve this only to be ignored. I also have a screen shot of a person who contacted me stating how crazy it was catwell posted my info but never contacted me directly. It really doesnt mater in the end, BCS is no scam so continue with your web warnings, it matters not to me.
5:23pm (2 minutes ago) · LikeReply
Alan Welson
Im on a break Extra BURN to you dudes!
Inquisitor S.
Why would I want to contact somebody? I got the email directly from Mr Big Bad/ Catwell himself, why should I go through some potentially shady middleman of yours? ^^
5:25pm (a few seconds ago)
Alan Welson
This has gotten beyond funny. You all break page rules to attack me and the entire point was feedback on a model thats not even for sale. Grow up, get a life and get a job instead of trolling the net 24/7.
Inquisitor S. Lexicanum
...says the person selling non-existing products promoted with pictures stolen from unsuspecting thirds?
Etcetera etcetera ad infinitum
P.S.: aaaaaand the post including the comments is gone
One of Alan Welson's real or fictitious pals I guess? In any case as I said, I had received the text of the email from Catwell (as he can confirm).
It's just the usual smokescreening of Daniel: "Lalalalala, if it's not per e-mail for my eyes only it doesn't count as an answer, therefore I am the victim as Big Bad didn't answer me, so it was clearly me who was scammed."
My gawd it's like listening to a heinous song on repeat.. Same old everything... I say again, this is not the way a brand-new person reacts to a scandal with their business.
I can't believe he is pulling all this crap again 2 months after Resin Forge... And we know he saw the questions Catwell asked (admitedly my suggestions) but if you aren't Daniel Mandelbaum, why can't you spend 5 minutes to clear your name 'Alan'? Why would you do absolutely nothing to end the circus and get on with things if you are legit?
It would be so, so easy, give away no personal information, show you are a legitimate business and show you are honest about having the files... It makes absolutely zero sense not to.
I don't have much to say, but your stuff is amazing. I'm not big on chaos, so I don't know what the defiler looking thing at the end was, but you should mass produce it.
Hey just got this message on the comments section sent by
mistressofminis
"kingcatwell linked the facebook link in the youtube video information already- which means he already knows how to get in touch with Black Crusade Studio- and has ~chosen~ not to do so. I am communicating with him, as have others, and have only seen the most trollish toned posts deleted(some of you went straight to conflict mode). BCS still wants to contact kingcatwell directly but even with a direct email address, there has been no reply to the attempted correspondence."
Is this the "bcs guy" under another alias? Also should i get drawn into an argument with this 'tuber?
Mistress of Minis is a legit user, not sure if its really her or not. You may consider answering, once, with the same text you posted here, cc'ing a third party to verify it was done.
I am communicating with him, as have others, and have only seen the most trollish toned posts deleted(some of you went straight to conflict mode)
See my screenshot of the post that was deleted by Alan Welson to check if I am speaking the truth:
That was a 1:1 copy of Catwell's post here without any additions from my side. And yet it is considered "most trollish toned" - that should answer all about the reliability of "Mistress of Minis".
With nothing new on the BCS front, I hope we see the page shut down soon. Since the only commission he seems to have is the Word bearer platform.
I don't think the site will be "officially" shut down. It will just hang around as the Resin Forge page. I personally don't believe any of those "alleged" () commissions BCS was going on about all the time before the titan - for the simple reason that it was just pics picked from the internet as inspiration (hell, ALL of those pics were even posted by the LEXICANUM, I wouldn't put it past Daniel to take them from there as he feels so superior ) - there was never any showing of actually finished or even WIP stuff related to those commissions. PLus very suddenly there were the: "Hey, we have two unexpected openings for commissions, gimme your money" kind of posts.
@Kingcatwell, did you get the Email that BCS claim to have sent you? if so you could always reply by way of an old email account that you no longer use,, so any rants/threats toys out of params emails he sends will go to that one.
Just a surgestion
now to see if theres any reaction from he who should not be named (purly to protect our younger viewers that is)
i read this and saw this alan guy posting on a facebook page I frequent. Long story short I link this and the other thread and he denied knowing who this other guy was and then deleted the post he had made
Not-Mandelbonder did the same thing in the closing days of Resin Forge. Hit every GW related fan-site with a "evil Dakka is so mean to me" post, quickly followed with somebody frol here responding by posting a link to the thread.
It didnt work then, but he keeps on doing the same thing.
d-usa wrote: Not-Mandelbonder did the same thing in the closing days of Resin Forge. Hit every GW related fan-site with a "evil Dakka is so mean to me" post, quickly followed with somebody frol here responding by posting a link to the thread.
It didnt work then, but he keeps on doing the same thing.
The most obnoxious thing is that at least one of those fan pages is run by an individual who has/currently does post on Dakka.
Amusing he always singles Dakka out when the entire community is after him lol... oh well, nice to be noticed I suppose.
Also amusing that 'Alan' seems to be playing the 'never heard of it' card more and more. Mandelbaum was always the consumate victim, playing on people's morality and any doubts they have to get them to protect him. His 'puppets' tend to be pretty good and moral folks for the most part. Easy to manipulate a good person if you have no hesitation to lie about anything.
Great work from everyone that is watching Mandelbaum. You are, in fact, doing something very valuable for the community... even when some (deceived) people don't want to see the truth.
He threatens those trying to show up and help him prove he isn't Mandlebonder. Interesting tactics, too bad I can't post on that page as C&C...
It is profile of DM to do this. Sharing said video could easily rectify the situation, and the poster was not at all being insulting towards "Alan" he was offering to help him. But the immediate denial and lack of willingness shows that it is a hoax.
It's like the argument that I can't show my photo because of private information, but let me post a video with a mask because that will reduce the insults and harassment.
In this case Alan says:
I have the shipping info, but I'm not going to share it because it will cost me MORE harassment that I already have.
If it is not a business run by DM he can easily prove it by provided
1) A registered business ID that is not in any way related to DM and shows that he is a legal business. Something that at this moment, he has not done, and therefor can be assumed to be operating illegally.
2) A local reputable business or game club that can verify his identity, Since at the moment he does not exist.
3) Prove that he actually had the files for the titan and was capable of printing them and that he did not knowingly commit fraud by taking peoples money for product he could not deliver.
As a community we're more than understanding of other people and their situations, but the response that "Alan" has towards people probing and asking questions is to be rude and insulting and then delete the evidence of the conversation.
As pointed out, when DM was backed into a corner he used an admin account from RF to spam 40K related pages with dakka hate and try to rally support. A task which he seemed to gain some support from a few pages despite the amount of evidence against him!
Daniel likes to be thought of as the victim, which is how he cons people into supporting him. By placing the blame on invisible enemies people feel sorry for him. He blames Dakka for harassing him, and a party he won't name for selling him a stolen file. But he won't provide the information of who stole the file or show proof that he ever actually obtained the file.
If I personally had sent him money at this point, I'd have contacted Paypal for a refund and reported him for committing fraud, as well as reported it to the local authorities that he was committing fraud and operating an unregistered business.
I urge anyone who has hired his studio to find another professional for your needs. I'll even help you find the right one for you!
Inquistor S: Your right the page won't be "Closed" but I was hoping for the same "Closed" we got on Resin Forge where the page went to 0 activity. Although now it is back up sending out FB messages.
About the photos, if we could find the original artist who created the renders, it would be another lie on the page. He claims he received them all from clients who designed them because they are interested in having the models printed or converted. If the original artist did not submit the pictures for creation by BCS it's just another cog in the gear.
Although at this point I'm sure DM is now coming up with a story to rebuke this statement, which "Alan" will blast to the groups of blind followers who refuse to listen to reason.
(Not to mention, am I the only one who thinks the Word Bearer church thing looks stupid? Let me slap some plasticard together and then attach random cannons and bits of hatches and engines.)
Elliot Yung:
Ladies and gentlemen
I present the history of the scammer Daniel Mandelbaum, of Dallas, Texas.
We are honored to have him here under the pseudonym ' Alan Welson'. Please take some time to read this so that you understand the harm this parasite has done to members of our community.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/538614.page
James Tewes:
My question is why is one from Texas and the other from California ?
Alan Welson:
Because I have customers that have gotten items RECENTLY as well as over a year ago, all from the LA area..
Andrew Kelly:
My question is... why are you a scammer? You hurt yourself by scamming people. Hell, your selling of multiple 3d printed Warhounds is probably enough to get FW on your ass legally, if your past FW Recasts were just enough to get you on their radar.
Please, riddle me this, mate.
Alan Welson:
I am not a scammer. I am not Dnaiel. I am alan, I live in LA, not Dallas, thats 2k miles away.
The only proof that site provided was "hey im a mod, its him a scammer, but dont worry we wont give proof, make up your own minds"
Thomas Xavier Treadwell:
the dude posted a 7minute vid on YouTube explaining the war hound wasn't for sale and that your conning, sort it out mate
[...]
Alan Welson:
Here is the email ive sent daily for a week to Catwell/BigBad after I found out my client BSed me with the files.
Black Crusade Studio <blackcrusadestudio@gmail.com>
[...]
But like always, people will ignore my email like Catwell did, people ignore im across the country and have nothing to do with anyone in Texas and most of all, if I am a scammer, show me the person(s) ive scammed. Please. Ive posted this same info since last monday.
Andrew Kelly:
I've read the email twice now. But could you please answer the particular questions I've posed?
Are you still printing and selling out copies of the Titan at-cost?
Alan Welson:
No, selling stopped last week with that last pic I left up to show I didnt hide my mistake from a liar client. The ones paid for either got a rtrefund or did not want a refund. I have tried to talk to catwell about getting funds to him over the opnes that wont cancel but he ignores me. There is nothing else I can do. FYI we are talking about 3 kits.
[...]
How am i delaying anything?
I didnt scam, I was lied to and made a mistake. A mistake I have tried EVERYTHING i can to correct but with an army of trolls and people sclaiming im this or that, what more can I do?
[...]
I big mistake by trusting a client i had known for over 5 years?
I emaile dcatwell within 2 hours of the drama starting
I have emailed him daily since then
How can that be resolved if he posts my info in his first video, doesnt contact me, I get his info and he ignores me.
[...]
Oliver Epperlein:
Alan Welson : Posting a mail here proves exactly nothing. You could just have written it for our benefit. And the original Author answered...but publicly to be sure you can't acuse him of not answering...what you are doing. So sad.
Alan Welson: So nothing I say can or do will matter even when the proof you people use against me is one mans word with no proof and another where a MISTAKE was made that I have spent over a week trying to correct.
Im done with this garbage. Ill post where I want, and when I want. Troll me how often you like and I will report you people every single time. Eventually enough reports will mean your account removal.
This is a big ol GOODBYE. (Though expect to keep seeing my stuff everywhere)
Michael Walter:
Yesterday Inqiusitor lexi proved you wrong ... And youre still saying he disnt contact you??? Scammer!!!! OMG still contineu i got you banned at other groups ... Ill make it at this one also ..
Alan Welson:
Enjoy posting that im a liar then when its postings of my own work as it progresses. Makes you all look like f***ing idiots. [...]
Oliver Epperlein: Well we don't curse at you.
Alan Welson:
No, you accuse me of someone im not based on no proof then tell me any proof i provide means nothing, then tell me lex told me catwell contacted me when he DID NOT. ive emailed him, every day since thise started, he has ignored me./
You people are much much better then I , HA
Continue seeing my posts and on that note, better yet, ill hold my tongue. /
Oliver Epperlein:
He OPENLY contacted you and you ignore it !
Alan Welson: He had lex post gak to me
Thats not contacting me
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. I DO NOT TRUST LEX/
AND NEVER WILL.
[...]
Ive openly copntacted him for over a week, here it is AGAIN
<blackcrusadestudio@gmail.com>
Aug 28 (5 days ago)
to bigbad, bcc: me...[...]
Ill post tomorrow showing you im not gone. Trolls like you are what Warhammer headquarters the admin doesnt like.
Anybody tell me again how this is not typical Mandelbaum He's nearing the first meltdown phase.
Another example of how Alan's actions mimic Daniels. From the insulting tones to avoiding the questions.
Not to mention the fact that he refuses to join Dakka and post for himself. Something that takes 20 seconds to do! But would also give the IP address to the admin team.
He asked what he can do to prove he is a real person and not DM.
All he needs to do is answer a few very simple questions.
1) A registered business ID that is not in any way related to DM and shows that he is a legal business. Something that at this moment, he has not done, and therefor can be assumed to be operating illegally.
2) A local reputable business or game club that can verify his identity, Since at the moment he does not exist.
3) Prove that he actually had the files for the titan and was capable of printing them and that he did not knowingly commit fraud by taking peoples money for product he could not deliver.
But to be fair, with the impending cancer, trying to come up with another stupid name for a site to scam people from and not to mention thinking up said new scam, the little fella's busy....
Didn't he spent over a day trying to get BigBad's contact info or am I mistaken about that? Up there he says he emailed him within two hours of the video going up.
Both Mandelbaum and Welson frequently contradict themselves -- this is one of the reasons why Welson is thought to be Mandelbaum.
I got BigBad's contact info in 23 seconds by googling BigBad Catwell and finding his Shapeways page. Not a huge research effort because the thread is mainly about his 3D printing activities.
On topic, did we ever find out who that "monkey joe" chap DM mentioned was? Another alias or someone else he's dragged into thing's unwittingly again?
There's a facebook profile with that name, doesn't look like the usual fake ones as it's an active one. I'd guess it's a modeller or painter or sth of the sort.
Didn't he spent over a day trying to get BigBad's contact info or am I mistaken about that? Up there he says he emailed him within two hours of the video going up.
He publicly asked several times for the address but no, we do not know precisely when I think. However Catwell will be able to tell you precisely what the timestamp is on the message that he received.
Hi guys
I'm Elliot Yung, the person who started the FB thread. I've posted in various other 40k/GW groups to out him. Thanks for the support and hope we get this parasite out of the community soon
Breotan wrote: I'm waiting for another video from that woman. Maybe she could use a different disguise and act like she's not the one who did the first video.
Take down the UK flag and hang up a California one?
Yeah definitely phase one melt down *achievement unlocked * we should be due for phases two and three any time now ......
As a helper DanAlanKimMendelbonder if it would help if you want to get in touch i can give you a list of states where i have friends so you can pick the next one your from (to help with your claim of being legitimate) as a quick think Nebraska and South Dakota are pretty free
CalasTyphon216 wrote: Hi guys
I'm Elliot Yung, the person who started the FB thread. I've posted in various other 40k/GW groups to out him. Thanks for the support and hope we get this parasite out of the community soon
As a helper DanAlanKimMendelbonder if it would help if you want to get in touch i can give you a list of states where i have friends so you can pick the next one your from (to help with your claim of being legitimate) as a quick think Nebraska and South Dakota are pretty free
Welson already refused to meet with some California people as was reported to me.
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Who's "Tommy Clark Munkey-Joe"?
On topic, did we ever find out who that "monkey joe" chap DM mentioned was? Another alias or someone else he's dragged into thing's unwittingly again?
Munkey Joe saw his name mentioned here in connection with MAndelbaum and since he doesn't wish to be thrown in with scammers, he contacted me on Facebook and he made an account now on Dakkadakka. Expect him to post in the near future.
Hello Dakka. I was recently sent this thread by a friend of mine a that mentioned I was named BY NAME in a scandal involving a titan made by Mr KingCatwell. So I thought I would make an account and introduce myself to you so You will know who I am and what I do. I am Tommy Clark AKA Munkey Joe. I am NOT associated with Daniel Mandelbaum/Alan Weston Nor any of their companies Three Stage Studios, Resin Forge, or Black Crusade Studio. I Own Munkey Joe Paints and Casts https://www.facebook.com/MunkeyJoePaintsAndCastings and here is a link to my Personal Page https://www.facebook.com/MunkeyJoe I am Also on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/MunkeyJoe75 and on Shapeways (newly on Shapeways) I am in America, South Alabama to be exact, and Just moved from the Washington DC metro area(Frederick MD) . If you see a Munkey Joe on a forum or post or something in the past 15 years or so Its 99% chance its me. I have accounts on several big forums as well as trading sites as Bartertown http://www.bartertown.com/trading/ref_view.php and Ebay http://myworld.ebay.com/vudoodoc where I have 100% positive feedback but I am not active on many of them anymore. I personally know several people in the hobby community and I am very active in the Painting and hobbying aspects of Wargaming and you can meet me at several conventions throughout America. Or if You are ever in the South Alabama area (Enterprise/Fort Rucker) Hit me up and we can have Lunch, Coffee or even Adult drinks every so often. Some of you may have seen one of my products at NOVA where My client was playing a deamon army that I made some sharks for him that look like the attachment.
To end my "Intro" I should have joined earlier and under different circumstances BUT Here I am. Im a legit person, and not a scammer. I do not associate myself with Scammers. I have not been scammed By either Daniel Mandelbaum OR Alan Weston before BUT I am not associated with their companies in any way shape or form.
Hello Dakka.
I was recently sent this thread by a friend of mine a that mentioned I was named BY NAME in a scandal involving a titan made by Mr KingCatwell. So I thought I would make an account and introduce myself to you so You will know who I am and what I do.
I am Tommy Clark AKA Munkey Joe. I am NOT associated with Daniel Mandelbaum/Alan Weston Nor any of their companies Three Stage Studios, Resin Forge, or Black Crusade Studio. I Own Munkey Joe Paints and Casts https://www.facebook.com/MunkeyJoePaintsAndCastings and here is a link to my Personal Page https://www.facebook.com/MunkeyJoe I am Also on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/MunkeyJoe75 and on Shapeways (newly on Shapeways) I am in America, South Alabama to be exact, and Just moved from the Washington DC metro area(Frederick MD) . If you see a Munkey Joe on a forum or post or something in the past 15 years or so Its 99% chance its me. I have accounts on several big forums as well as trading sites as Bartertown http://www.bartertown.com/trading/ref_view.php and Ebay http://myworld.ebay.com/vudoodoc where I have 100% positive feedback but I am not active on many of them anymore. I personally know several people in the hobby community and I am very active in the Painting and hobbying aspects of Wargaming and you can meet me at several conventions throughout America. Or if You are ever in the South Alabama area (Enterprise/Fort Rucker) Hit me up and we can have Lunch, Coffee or even Adult drinks every so often. Some of you may have seen one of my products at NOVA where My client was playing a deamon army that I made some sharks for him that look like the attachment.
To end my "Intro" I should have joined earlier and under different circumstances BUT Here I am. Im a legit person, and not a scammer. I do not associate myself with Scammers. I have not been scammed By either Daniel Mandelbaum OR Alan Weston before BUT I am not associated with their companies in any way shape or form.
porkuslime wrote: Should also mention that Munkey Joe is known on BT and personally to at least one staffer over there...
-Porkuslime
Known Well I hope Porkuslime!!!! LOL I do know some of the Staffers there and One in particular I know pretty well.... Thank you for the welcome and I wish this was better circumstances BUt Hey, Cant win them all right???
anyway Thats me and feel free to chat me up about anything hobby, ESP casting and modeling as those I know a little about. Now Its time to Lurk some and watch....
He does realize that a simple Google Search, and search on Ancestry.com and background check sites, easily points to Alan Welson as not being a real person who lives in LA right?
The only Alan Welson on record who ever officially lived in the LA area was born in 1911 and lived in Alameda CA for the 1930 Census...
He does realize that a simple Google Search, and search on Ancestry.com and background check sites, easily points to Alan Welson as not being a real person who lives in LA right?
The only Alan Welson on record who ever officially lived in the LA area was born in 1911 and lived in Alameda CA for the 1930 Census...
Google and Ancestry.com? Oh please... That doesn't prove anything to be honest. Don't know what is meant by "background check sites", and I don't know if in the US all info on everybody has to be accessible. But I am least sceptical to infer that a person doesn't exist from that.
OverwatchCNC wrote: He does realize that a simple Google Search, and search on Ancestry.com and background check sites, easily points to Alan Welson as not being a real person who lives in LA right?
The only Alan Welson on record who ever officially lived in the LA area was born in 1911 and lived in Alameda CA for the 1930 Census...
Well then Obviously this is the same 103 year old Alan Welson. It makes perfect sense.
He does realize that a simple Google Search, and search on Ancestry.com and background check sites, easily points to Alan Welson as not being a real person who lives in LA right?
The only Alan Welson on record who ever officially lived in the LA area was born in 1911 and lived in Alameda CA for the 1930 Census...
Google and Ancestry.com? Oh please... That doesn't prove anything to be honest. Don't know what is meant by "background check sites", and I don't know if in the US all info on everybody has to be accessible. But I am least sceptical to infer that a person doesn't exist from that.
In the US you can do a relatively good job of proving a persons existence. It usually requires paying a bit of money but all birth certificates etc are part of public record.
In the US you can do a relatively good job of proving a persons existence. It usually requires paying a bit of money but all birth certificates etc are part of public record.
Good to know. In most European states that data is quite protected.
In the US you can do a relatively good job of proving a persons existence. It usually requires paying a bit of money but all birth certificates etc are part of public record.
Good to know. In most Europoean states that data is quite protected.
Not to mention it is more than a bit odd for a person to have an almost non-existent internet footprint aside from their FB page and a thread on Dakka linking them to someone else entirely...
California birth, death, fetal death, still birth, marriage and divorce records are maintained by the California Department of Public Health Vital Records.
From the CA.gov website. Which means there should be some record of a guy who never lived anywhere else but Los Angeles.
Not to mention it is more than a bit odd for a person to have an almost non-existent internet footprint aside from their FB page and a thread on Dakka linking them to someone else entirely...
Especially after 20 years in the hobby and community, I agree But one thing is "suspicious", something else is physical "non-existence".
Hello Dakka.
I was recently sent this thread by a friend of mine a that mentioned I was named BY NAME in a scandal involving a titan made by Mr KingCatwell. So I thought I would make an account and introduce myself to you so You will know who I am and what I do.
I am Tommy Clark AKA Munkey Joe. I am NOT associated with Daniel Mandelbaum/Alan Weston Nor any of their companies Three Stage Studios, Resin Forge, or Black Crusade Studio. I Own Munkey Joe Paints and Casts https://www.facebook.com/MunkeyJoePaintsAndCastings and here is a link to my Personal Page https://www.facebook.com/MunkeyJoe I am Also on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/MunkeyJoe75 and on Shapeways (newly on Shapeways) I am in America, South Alabama to be exact, and Just moved from the Washington DC metro area(Frederick MD) . If you see a Munkey Joe on a forum or post or something in the past 15 years or so Its 99% chance its me. I have accounts on several big forums as well as trading sites as Bartertown http://www.bartertown.com/trading/ref_view.php and Ebay http://myworld.ebay.com/vudoodoc where I have 100% positive feedback but I am not active on many of them anymore. I personally know several people in the hobby community and I am very active in the Painting and hobbying aspects of Wargaming and you can meet me at several conventions throughout America. Or if You are ever in the South Alabama area (Enterprise/Fort Rucker) Hit me up and we can have Lunch, Coffee or even Adult drinks every so often. Some of you may have seen one of my products at NOVA where My client was playing a deamon army that I made some sharks for him that look like the attachment.
To end my "Intro" I should have joined earlier and under different circumstances BUT Here I am. Im a legit person, and not a scammer. I do not associate myself with Scammers. I have not been scammed By either Daniel Mandelbaum OR Alan Weston before BUT I am not associated with their companies in any way shape or form.
Hi Munkey Joe!
Umm... is it just me, or is that shark-thing... smiling?...
The Auld Grump... gods, that read like an intro to AA...
Umm... hi, my name is The Auld Grump, and I'm... a gamer.
*Hi Grump!*
It has been... three days since my last game. But I can give it up. Any time I like.
...
Any time that I like! *Twitch, twitch!*
porkuslime wrote: Should also mention that Munkey Joe is known on BT and personally to at least one staffer over there...
-Porkuslime
Yep, and to add confirmation, I have done an in-person trade with Munkey Joe when he was living in Maryland. I haven't had the time to follow this thread closely due to the holiday weekend in the US, but Munkey Joe is a very real and A-OK dude
Man, this Monkey Joe is Daniel's most elaborate and well thought out aliens yet! He's really starting to get better at it! Now we just need to find Joe's youtube account of his pet conure...
AduroT wrote: Man, this Monkey Joe is Daniel's most elaborate and well thought out aliens yet! He's really starting to get better at it! Now we just need to find Joe's youtube account of his pet conure...
I think monkey joe falls under the "duped" category, rather than "master of disguise alias"
Alright that's enough. You guys need to tone it down this is not a thread to be nothing but clever in. This is a serious matter and though a comment here and there is tolerable, nearly the entire last page is nothing but people being glib with no actual comments on the case at hand.
I agree with Tom. The more OT the thread gets, the more watered down our cause gets.
Welcome Munkey. I'd like to point out that the reason you were mentioned is because "Alan" was putting your name out there without any cause, something DM likes to do often to rope people into his cause. I have seen some of your work and am glad that you are following this. I'd hate to see your work dragged through the mud by a scammer.
On an update front, it would seem traffic is slowing down on the BCS page. In the last day it has lost a like, and the only post was 20 hours ago and shared to the groups he spams. Even there though it seems he isn't receiving comments. I think while Alan doesn't seem to want to quit, the community at large does not want to be involved in the drama he brings with him.
This might be grasping at straws, but I recall RF consistently saying "Lex" instead of using the full name, Lexicanum. Now, Alan Welson continues this. It struck me as kind of odd.
It's also very clear why he wouldn't trust Lexicanum if it is indeed Daniel Mandelbaum.
How about just mentioning that he continuously calls somebody Lex whose actual nickname is "Inquisitor S." then? That implies much more he knew exactly who he contacted...
And btw he still did not produce "a local Los Angeles, CA, reputable business or game club that can verify your identity " while he did post on his own page. I challenged him to do so ~ 36 hours ago. Couldn't find any activity of his in any FB groups or pages apart from his own since then.
Yup. Awfully familiar. For a guy with with 1.5 months of internet presence. Same goes for his attempted social media strategy, like-buying, post deletions and refusal to answer dirt-simple questions. Definitely seems pretty crafty and experienced for someone brand new to scandal...
To be fair - If I was "Alan" and I made a honest mistake, I wouldn't trust a random FB poster with the name "Inquisitor S.". It would feel way too random and like the entire purpose of their posts/accusation is to stir up drama. I probably wouldn't respond like "Alan" has, but I wouldn't trust it either. When looking at it objectively a name like inquisitor would indicate drama to me.
I will say that calling him "Lex" and not "Inquisitor" is the last nail in the coffin though, as it proves, atleast to me that "Alan" has had previous dealings with the person in question.
Regardless of who it came from, the questions asked, first and foremost just to show a simple, in program screenshot of the 3d mesh for the model he swears up and down he has, would exonerate him a great deal and would definitely show that both BigBad and my info to be incorrect. It would have made us both look like idiots.
So what possible reason, assuming 'Alan' is being honest, would there be not to do that? Unless of course, he never had the file at all and was selling nothing but lies, the outright most fraudulent scam ever run by Mandelbaum. He has sold recasts, he has sold commissions to be done... to my knowledge, he never sold absolutely nothing before, at least that I recall. Could be wrong about that though, it is possible he sold outright nothing before, knowing him...
Well Tom remember he did sell pre-orders on fulgrim which he couldn't deliver!
But as you said. He could easily exonerate himself and make the lot of us look foolish but instead he deletes posts and complains to others that he is being harassed and targeted in the same way that DM has previously done.
And while using lex doesn't strike me as odd, I'm sure lots of people would rather say lex than the full word, it was not tied to inquisitor s on Facebook so it means he had prior knowledge of who inquisitor s is. With a 2 month Internet persona that means someone who has followed DM conflicts before.
If BCS isn't DM it is someone like minded who followed the last incident to a T and is using that information to carry out this current scam.
And I did confirm 100% that in the United States a business has to display their business registration number somewhere on premises and website. It doesn't have to be in public view, but must be provided if requested by a consumer.
I didn't make it to the tax office Friday but I should make it there this week.
That's true, but at least, there was theoretically some way he could eventually get Fulgrims to the customers, if somehow he honored those sales.
With this Titan, there is literally no possible way, ever, to deliver on those sales. It's impossible, without BigBads consent, or computer hacking. At its absolute unlikely best, Mandelbaum is trying to sell stolen goods. Period. At it's all but unavoidable worst, he sold a lie to screw people over, Period.
Prove me wrong Alanbaum, take a screenshot of the mesh. I dare you.
If Alan Welson is a real person who has been doing business in the LA area for years, he would have a California business registration number, and he would be very happy to supply it to disprove the alleged association with Daniel Mandelbaum.
You can read what you like into the fact he does not provide the info.
Providing the legally obligatory info would prove Alan Welson exists yes. And it is telling that the refusal to provide any verifiable corroborating evidence, legally obliged or just to shut us up, is missing completely.
But that would only prove Alan Weslon exists.
Providing that screenshot is takes 3 minutes, gives zero information on anything remotely personal, and would prove he had the goods to sell, and open the possibility that he himself was a victim as he claims. I.E, it would at least cast an ounce of doubt as to whether or not he is an outright scheming thief or not, and cast huge doubt on his accusers.
The first would not take care of the second... and the second, were I 'Alan', would be far, far more interested in putting to bed.
With this Titan, there is literally no possible way, ever, to deliver on those sales.
The alleged Welsonbaum plan seems to have been to hire (to pay with what?) 3D modellers (he was looking for some on his page), let them model the titan after the pics, create the variations of all kinds, ship the new 3D prints off for manufacture and hope for the best with no obvious known 3D print experience. Voilà , no problem. Apart from that tricky time factor, but we can rely on Alandaniel's talent to convince waiting customers with one entertaining family disaster story or other why the delivery would just take *a little bit longer*.
That's not quite true, his original story if you remember is that he 'bought' the files from a mysterious third party that claimed to be the original owner (of course making Alandlebaum the victim) and that they were already used and printing. He did not create or reproduce anything. He did imply custom work could be done but did not say how. But the original, base chaos titan from big-bad WAS, according to Alandlebaum, the true original. Hence, he is selling stolen goods at best, if he had the files. Which he doesn't.
That's not quite true, his original story if you remember is that he 'bought' the files from a mysterious third party that claimed to be the original owner (of course making Alandlebaum the victim) and that they were already used and printing. He did not create or reproduce anything. He did imply custom work could be done but did not say how. But the original, base chaos titan from big-bad WAS, according to Alandlebaum, the true original. Hence, he is selling stolen goods at best, if he had the files. Which he doesn't.
Yes, that is what he TOLD the people. What I wrote out was the BEST CASE scenario for what actually was happening (his "plan" as I named it maybe not accurately enough). The worst case scenario of course being he was just planning to grab the cash and run immediately. For the latter there are also indicators.
As much as we'd love to see registrations and numbers and such, I doubt many (any?) people who do painting and converting 'on the side' have these things.
Unless "Alan" is stating this is his full time job, and not some part time affair while he works somewhere else?
I do this on the side of a full time job and am in the process of registering my business. There are just many advantages in this hobby for having a registered business such as the ability to buy from distributors and writing off travel expenses for conventions. In fact a lot of the painters I know are registered business owners.
It's a professional thing. If you want to be a professional you do things properly.
If Alan chooses not to be a registered business, he could still answer the request for a valid business license by admitting that he's not, he's just a commission artist. Which as you pointed out many aren't.
But when your going to run a web store selling bits you cast and kits you print at that point you have to be a registered business. Claiming the shop is on the side is tax evasion.
If you sell 10 sets of 10 bases for $10, that's $100usd which the government should receive it's share of depending on state. Tx is 8.25% sales tax,
Now for instance lets say his business of producing bases takes off and he's fulfilling 60 to 200 orders for bases and kits a month with an average dollar sale of $40. That's minimum $2,400 maximum $8,000. Using Texas as an example the governments sales tax in that would be $198.24 for $2400. Now that doesn't seem like a lot but a few months of that adds up.
And that's just excess income from sales tax he wasn't charging. There is also income tax on the money he makes that if he's not claiming it as income he isn't paying.
Now the kicker is, say he operates the store unregistered for a year and makes over $10,000 on PayPal. They'll report that income to the IRS. Who will then back tax that income because it wasn't originally taxed. There's another benefit to just register your business. Last thing you want is the IRS auditing you for additional income!
I hope this makes sense, I'm using my iPhone so it's hard to proof read.
I call bs on him having a job... the guy deletes posts within seconds nearly always... day or night. I don't know about you guys but I certainly couldn't pull that off non-stop....
While I do agree I can access Facebook very fast from my iPhone and edit pages or reply. But to act like you have a professional job that blocks YouTube and forums but not Facebook is where I draw the line for bs.
To be honest, I can see it. Execs/owners want to be able to check their FB too so it's "not a threat" for the IT group to deal with so it gets white-listed. I saw this at a Fortune 500 I worked for about 10 years ago where execs were punching holes in the banned sites all the time.
Not saying he's not full of it (and I believe he is), just saying it's quite possible.
Is he on break 24 hrs a day lol? That is his availability to delete posts... if there was a gap in of a few hours here and there during the day, it would make sense lol... but as far as I see he is on it like a freakin cat on a laser pointer every time lol...
Anyways, it is a bit of a pointless suspicion, as ExiledMiniatures brought up, side-job or full-time, he still needs to be registered and is operating illegally if he isn't.
MajorTom11 wrote: Is he on break 24 hrs a day lol? That is his availability to delete posts... if there was a gap in of a few hours here and there during the day, it would make sense lol... but as far as I see he is on it like a freakin cat on a laser pointer every time lol...
Anyways, it is a bit of a pointless suspicion, as ExiledMiniatures brought up, side-job or full-time, he still needs to be registered and is operating illegally if he isn't.
Maybe between Kim, Michael and Daniel they're taking it in shifts. Seriously. Ok, I can't keep a straight face! I fully agree with the idea of him holding down a fulltime, legit job are highly doubtful.
ExiledMiniatures wrote: While I do agree I can access Facebook very fast from my iPhone and edit pages or reply. But to act like you have a professional job that blocks YouTube and forums but not Facebook is where I draw the line for bs.
My job filters out Youtube but not Facebook. Depending on where I am they also filter out warseer, but not Dakka. Filters are only as comprehensive as the people who setup them up can manage.
RiTides wrote: I would imagine that facebook is one of the most-blocked sites by filters... it's one of the only sites that my company blocks.
I work for a Private Catholic School, the Faculty have very few blocked sites and FB isn't one of them. I think it really depends on the industry you're in tbh.
But I too doubt DM has any other source of income with how much he uses FB.
I'm a single man studio and even if I'm booked, I'll at least discuss a job and try to get it on the books for when I'm available.
Hell I even have clients who have asked to put a down payment to reserve the next available commission!
To say we can't accept commissions because I don't haver help is unacceptable of a professional studio. Hell he could have at least asked him for some details and offered a quote or recommended another artist. To let a Facebook comment about a possible job go more than twelve hours without a response is absurd. You have a studio page and should be answering clients. I'd be upset to if I saw Alan Welson posting on Facebook but ignoring my request for commission prices!
James if your truly interested in commission service and read this I'll be more than happy to help you out and give you 20% off the final cost just because of the way BCS treated you.
OverwatchCNC wrote: I can't see the images. From what you're describing though that is just plain ridiculous.
For the image impared;
Big "Yay, 725+ likes!" post;
"Future plans are hiring several painters to complete commissions faster as well as hiring so two VERY talented 3d artists to do CAD work for some new and exciting releases to make some great add ones to various Sci-Fi 29mm games.
*Hint hint, Wink, wink, Nudge, nudge* And its things for large kits that I have yet to see any other companies do.
Black Crusade Studio Will still specialize in custom armies and commissions for award winning armies for all of our wonderful clients and those that have yet to give us a try! You'll find our prices really cant be beat! "
James Campbell : Where can I find your prices???
· Yesterday at 11:58..
James Campbell : Well, you've been here and ignored me. No reply, no prices, no business. Good day.
4 hours ago..
Alan Welson : BCS is not a studio that takes regular commissions. We dont have a set of products for sale and currently until we have a line of arists, we won't. The posts here are generally pretty obvious to that fact. You could have also sent a message rather then posting here, then getting upset less then 1 day later when I havent yet replied.
Have a great day!
· 2 hours ago..
James Campbell : Your claim is "You'll find our prices really can't be beat!" - yet you supply no prices and say you don't have any product/service that you can put pricing to?
Keep a look out for his next venture boys, he should be setting it up right about now. Sigh...
When it happens (wish I felt I could say if) perhaps the Mods could adapt their strategy?
I suspect, as others have suggested, that why he does this is to get a buzz from it, and its threads like this that contribute, maybe the next thread could be moderated, so kept up to date, and near the top of page 1, but not open to all posters? No discussion, just a simple, up to date, summary of the facts and happenings.
If we can kill the buzz from all the controversy he thinks he is causing, perhaps we can cause him to lose his taste for it? He is obviously not doing it for financial gain at this point.
There is already a thread as you describe. However, individual threads dedicated to discussing his activities are vital. All the hoop-la may be what he gets off on as you surmise, however, the hoop-la is necessary to get the word out to the general community ASAP. Unfortunately a necessary evil.
That being said, I can assure you that although some twisted part of Mandelbaum likely gets a kick of any attention at all, hatred included, he is very, very not happy that his scams are not able to pay off. I am quite sure that his first and foremost motivations are private and money based, whatever other issues he may have. He desperately hid his name for years, he wanted his anonymity. He is not happy his real identity is out either.
I see where you are coming from, believe me, but he will do this whether or not we catch him. Years of behaviour corroborate that, he wants to get maximum cash for his 'businesses' before he burns them.
Sorry if someone has already pointed this out but about halfway down the page (dated august 28th around 8.50 am just under the pic of the pilfered project) he has a "screencap" of a "customer " who backed out of buying his fictional titan( because Bigbad apparently sold him the files to have printed elsewhere ) well it might be just me but that "James Keller " doesn't appear to exist do we need to chalk up another burn account name here
Azrael thanks for screen capping that buddy! I'm about to jump into the thread and lay down some of the amounting complaints against Alan and the questions that need answers.
Aj Thornton Alright, I 've been watching this post for the last 25 minutes. I generally would not comment, but I feel compelled to jump in here.
This is America yes, you are innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. There is a lot of evidence that points to a DM scandal, as much as myself and everyone else in the community wished DM would just disappear.
Alan, regardless of if you are or aren't DM, you could prove it.
Sarah Mathews is correct!
You've said you worked for a game store in LA, provide the store or a reference. Provide some local clients or gaming buddies who can verify your identity.
I know you said you wanted to sell bases and such, operating a web store you'd need at least a DBA and report your income to the government, what's the registration number for BCS?
Since you said you originally planned to sell the titan before you found out it was stolen, provide a screen cap of the 3d render to prove you had the file originally and could even sell it to begin with.
Rickey James Morang is correct, you ignored questions from potential clients and when you did answer, it was rather abrupt and rude. If you weren't accepting commissions, then you could have responded nicely to tell him that.
Part of the evidence of you being DM is you follow in his patterns to a T. Your account pops up as does BCS no record anywhere else.
Your work and constuction and even bits match his work, even the sculpting matches and bases.
The way you respond to the community when they demand some proof of identity.
Without proving you had the plans originally it looks like one of DMs grab money for a preorder he can't fulfill and run.
Your friends list is populated by people that I personally know, who are 90% large figures in the painting community, these people accept people in the community, but your friends list lacks real friends. If it is indeed filtering, remove it so the community ca nsee that you have more than just people who will add miniature painters and gamers.You do also have no personal photos. I can understand privacy and all, but it still look suspicious when piled into all the other evidence.
You claim to want to move on and continue with your work which is something that you can do by providing the information the community is asking you to do!
If you haven't registered BCS because it is a "Side" thing, you can register a DBA for less than $50 which will help prove your identity and settle some doubts.
As to why Tom will not provide the evidence he has, and yes I have seen it, is because if he does, then the way it was obtained will no longer work for future investigations into DM and his assumed alias'.
You guys have to realize that there is a team of about 6 people who watch for this things, then collect proof. Although no one from the team originally started the Dakka thread, we were already watching BCS and looking into it. We would not have said anything if we didn't have enough cause to at least warrant a warning to the community.
The original thread wasn't related to DM, it was related to the fact that BCS was selling a model that not only violates GW and FW IP but was believed to been stolen from the original owner. Had this just been addressed with proof that BCS had the ability to print the model and had indeed been scammed by someone, the issue would have settled, but the attack back to the community and deletion of posts with questions asking for proof comes straight from the DM playbook.
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Aj Thornton Alan I wish you the best of luck in resolving this, but the same expectations are held of you as they were of DM. Information has to be shared to clear your name from this.
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My laptop I'm using can't handle a screen cap. I was afraid it'd die making that post!
So, who is this Clay guy and why is he so bound and determined to defend Mandlebaum? And why does Alan post as though English is not his native language?
I believe Clay is just fooled into believing the community is out for blood against an innocent person. Despite the amount of evidence against Alan.
As far as english. DM claims to be only fluent in english, but his wife is fluent in Spanish and French. I'd be willing to guess DM is also fluent in at least spanish.
It may also be just bad grammar online. I wouldn't read into that to much though, as I know sometimes I look like english isn't my native language as well.
I sent her a message directly. I hope she responds. I'm curious why she defends him. I get deleting some of the things but at least the general warning should be allowed to stay.
You know, if Alan was determined to verify his identity, he could always reach out the Aerethan. Granted that would just prove that it is still DM.
Monster Rain wrote: At this point, he would be well served to just produce evidence that the Alan Welson thing is legit and make "Dakka" look like donkey-caves.
There's literally no reason not to do this.
The whole insistence on referring to Dakka Dakka as "Dakka", and as if it were some monolithic, singular entity is again... familiar.
I lurk on Sami's page too. I don't think she's snowed by him, but is fine (will tolerate) him or anyone else as long as it's straight hobby. Not scamming. Not flame-warring. Just posting pics, commenting, offering tips. As long as he does that, she'll let him stick around. For my two cents, and I have no real investment in the matter, there are uncanny resemblances with Alan's argumentation and DM's through the Resin Forge debacle.
Yes they are expensive, but the impression I got was that he was planning to send the design off to have it printed third party, which isn't as expensive.
Incorrect. Printing that titan would be insanely expensive, 3rd party or not. Well over the 200-300 he was asking. It would have also taken quite a while. I got this straight from Big Bad himself, and am also basing this off my own experience with Shapeways and a few other places, as well as photoresin costs which are absolutely insane.
There is also the small problem of not having the files in the first place lol.
But would the sum of all the prints cost more than buying a printer capable of printing the file if he had it? I'm not much informed exactly on the 3d printing process.
Yes, they would for consumer level stuff, no they wouldn't for industrial. There is also the time involved to print. It takes forever... cueing this at shapeways would probably take about 6 weeks, paying a mental amount for a 1-1 service would still be a week or two at the least.
You don't just fart out 3 of them on a whim and inside of a week lol.
The whole insistence on referring to Dakka Dakka as "Dakka", and as if it were some monolithic, singular entity is again... familiar.
Truth.
I sincerely can't imagine why he wouldn't say "This is where I hung out in LA. This guy knows me. Here's a picture of us together. Here's my 3D renders. You people are all fools."
I would love another masked video-stunt, complete with Mortie shrieking in the background if at all possible.
I sent a message to Sami as well
DOn't think shes ostriching, shes tolerating him as long as its just hobby stuff. I, however, refuse to tolerate this parasite. Am continuing to spread awareness on other GW/40k pages
CalasTyphon216 wrote: I sent a message to Sami as well
DOn't think shes ostriching, shes tolerating him as long as its just hobby stuff. I, however, refuse to tolerate this parasite. Am continuing to spread awareness on other GW/40k pages
I've been following this for a while now since I was linked to this thread, Plus, I think I've been part of that fansite group on facebook a while now, so I can attest to Sami not ostriching. She generally just doesn't like drama on her page. Her page is all about modeling, painting, and the hobby in general.
She won't even allow rules discussion, price discussion, etc.
We all know it's Daniel Mandelbaum by now, yet Alan Welson continues to affirm he isn't. If those Census records are accurate, then Sami should be alerted to a fake account on her page.
I'm half tempted to message her myself, but I feel like my plea would simply fall on deaf ears... :/
Also, did a little digging, the Black Crusade Studio was founded in March of 2012... At least that's what FB says... and then No profile Pic until May 27th, 2013...and posting didn't actually start until the beginning of August 2013... I'm inclined to believe DM had planned this out all the way back in 2012... So, possibly, he could have another proxy page set up so he can abandon BCS and move over there to begin again, only this time, he got caught early before he could actually try to get some positive reviews with fake product.
Besides acting exactly like DM, do we have any other damning evidence? He claims to have emailed Big bad, so idk... he won't post the transcript on the FB page for proof, and he still refuses to clear his name by having others attest to who he is.
Personally, I think beyond a reasonable doubt, it's DM...
The only reason I liked his page to begin with was because I liked the image of the Warhound he was claiming to sell. I'm glad I was plum broke when I saw it or else I might have done something stupid...lol.
Personally, I think Sami should allow the disclaimers out there to warn the community, she lets other people post warnings about recasts, why would this be any different? He's scamming people out of their money and not delivering a product that he's legally allowed to deliver.
Idk... but I am appalled at the Blind Zealotry defending Alan/Daniel... Vigilance and Relentlessness are the key to finally taking this guy down...
Yeah the timing fits, BCS went online basically start of August, same time ALan Welson's page went online.
THats twice now Sami has deleted my warnings
CalasTyphon216 wrote: Yeah the timing fits, BCS went online basically start of August, same time ALan Welson's page went online.
THats twice now Sami has deleted my warnings
I wanna say just give it time, PM her so it stays off the page. As long as it stays off the page, I think she'll be a bit more receptive to our plea.
CalasTyphon216 wrote: I sent a message to Sami as well
DOn't think shes ostriching, shes tolerating him as long as its just hobby stuff. I, however, refuse to tolerate this parasite. Am continuing to spread awareness on other GW/40k pages
I've been following this for a while now since I was linked to this thread, Plus, I think I've been part of that fansite group on facebook a while now, so I can attest to Sami not ostriching. She generally just doesn't like drama on her page. Her page is all about modeling, painting, and the hobby in general.
She won't even allow rules discussion, price discussion, etc.
We all know it's Daniel Mandelbaum by now, yet Alan Welson continues to affirm he isn't. If those Census records are accurate, then Sami should be alerted to a fake account on her page.
I'm half tempted to message her myself, but I feel like my plea would simply fall on deaf ears... :/
Also, did a little digging, the Black Crusade Studio was founded in March of 2012... At least that's what FB says... and then No profile Pic until May 27th, 2013...and posting didn't actually start until the beginning of August 2013... I'm inclined to believe DM had planned this out all the way back in 2012... So, possibly, he could have another proxy page set up so he can abandon BCS and move over there to begin again, only this time, he got caught early before he could actually try to get some positive reviews with fake product.
Besides acting exactly like DM, do we have any other damning evidence? He claims to have emailed Big bad, so idk... he won't post the transcript on the FB page for proof, and he still refuses to clear his name by having others attest to who he is.
Personally, I think beyond a reasonable doubt, it's DM...
The only reason I liked his page to begin with was because I liked the image of the Warhound he was claiming to sell. I'm glad I was plum broke when I saw it or else I might have done something stupid...lol.
Personally, I think Sami should allow the disclaimers out there to warn the community, she lets other people post warnings about recasts, why would this be any different? He's scamming people out of their money and not delivering a product that he's legally allowed to deliver.
Idk... but I am appalled at the Blind Zealotry defending Alan/Daniel... Vigilance and Relentlessness are the key to finally taking this guy down...
Well Mandelbauma-drama aside, Welcome to Dakka Dakka!
ExiledMiniatures wrote: While I do agree I can access Facebook very fast from my iPhone and edit pages or reply. But to act like you have a professional job that blocks YouTube and forums but not Facebook is where I draw the line for bs.
Just want to point out that this is very possible. I work as a Govt contractor and we have some really odd web restrictions. For example, I can be on Dakka Dakka but not BOLS (because BOLS is a forum annnnnd apparently dakka is.. not? ). I am in no way saying you are wrong about this guy, the circumstantial evidence is pretty convincing IMO. But having weird access rules to the web while at work/school is the story of my life lol.
BCS showed up the second RF folded, I know it is Mandelbaum, so there really isn't any mystery to me. It all fits, all of it. Barring what I have seen with my own eyes in terms of the evidence I can't disclose other than to say I have seen it, everything else, absolutely everything else does absolutely nothing to deter me from thinking it is him. It is Mandelbaum, head to toe, in all ways, shapes and form. Being somewhat of an expert at this point, every thing he does, from the models to the tactics to the writing to the strategy just drips with his fingerprints and stench.
To the FB page and Sami... well, it's her page, she can do as she likes and I respect her right to control it as she see's fit. That being said, I would appeal to her with simple logic. If you accept it is Mandelbaum, or even if you are disturbed by the allegations, bear out the purpose of his activity:
He is targetting high traffic groups and was posting sales there, but now 'just his work'. But even if he isn't explicitely selling in that group, what is the net result? Any person clicking his images or examining his profile will quickly be led back to the BCS site. Any person who even remotely doubts the allegations and evidence against him is befriended. He needs his supporters. Once they are connected to his account or page, then they are now in his potential victim pool, and, you can bet your bottom dollar once he feels he has enough real people, and not bought likes, eyeballing his page again, people he brought in from the outside that are skeptical of all the drama, he WILL start selling again. It may be in the open, it may be via his new preferred Pm only method. But he will start selling again. Then, these people, or at least the later groups of them, will become victims, and he will disappear to start the cycle again.
Everything he is doing, EVERYTHING, is to get victims through the door, and to sniff out which ones will be easier to dupe, or will whiteknight him to draw in others. He is running a scam. He is ALWAYS running a scam, non-stop, since 2009. and there is absolutely nothing, nothing at all, to indicate he is going to stop.
So, despite not wanting to have any drama on her page, just letting that man post there at all is exposing her group to massive trouble and he is there in nothing but a predatory capacity. There is nothing to be gained but danger letting him be a member. Sami needs to realize that by doing nothing she is in fact doing something detrimental. Her group has nothing to gain by his presence and lots to lose, it's a no-win scenario. At best, nothing will happen but the hassle of the drama he brings. At worst, theft and scamming.
At the same time though I feel quite strongly she is making a tactical and perhaps arguably ethical mistake, it is hers to make. I would ask you guys not to harass the page or bombard Mandelbaum with joking, aggressive or inflamatory posts there either. If you do make the choice to confront him, you must do so knowing the consequences that your post will be deleted and you will be banned from the page, and knowing you are causing hassle for her and frustration. If you still feel it worth it to post, at least be classy and respectful to her while doing so. You don't need to attack him to show he is a liar, simple, rational and polite questions alone can do that. If you think you may be able to sway her to the danger, maybe pm her, but put it in the title what it is about so if she chooses not to deal with it she can delete it without having to read too much. It's only fair.
I do hope though she may find her way to this post and take it as a genuine, honest, and most importantly experienced appraisal of the danger 'Alan Weslon' represents to her members. Other than that, she has my best wishes and respect for her right to make her own choice.
MajorTom11 wrote: Printing that titan would be insanely expensive, 3rd party or not. Well over the 200-300 he was asking.
Truth. I have a very good buddy into 3-D printing and BEFORE this was declared a scam I was confronted By alan about him printing them up. I asked my friend (who shall remain nameless unless its really needed) what we were looking at as far as pricing on a warhound titan printout. His reply was "Thousands" with his machine PLUS time to do it, and the ONLY way to break even would be to cast it in resin and sell off the kits. I then reported this info to Alan and offered to do the casting mostly for my selfish want for this model. He declined stating that his client wanted this to be something special and said only people who were able to get in the limited time print would have one and it was a one time strap hang thing. If you were not in the group that was printing it this one time (I assume by printing several with one order) you would not have one. He then offered me his personal warhound to cast for myself as long as I did not sell it or anything like that. then this whole Scam thing started.... so Here we are. I was under the impression Alan was NOT trying to profit from this warhound And it was the property of a client of his who wanted it to be "not leaked so everyone can have one".
I am not going to defend or accuse anyone of anything. I am a Former Federal Officer (in DC area and until my recent move to Alabama) and I am very accustomed to letting Facts speak. If Alan tried or did scam people he will be in serious trouble. If he was wrongfully duped by a client I would have hoped it would have already come to light but it will if true. I do not know if he is Daniel Mandelbaum or not, but I have dealt with Daniel Mandelbaum Personally before and I have my personal opinion about this scenario. I DO see how people are making similarities between the actions of Alan and Daniel. I will not accuse him of being Daniel without proof though. I Do want to watch how this plays out though as I am interested and apparently pretty well ingrained into Daniel/Alan Drama as both have used me as a contact right at the time a scandal surfaced which I am not happy about in the least.
NOW with the License and Business "facts" part I will speak of my personal wargames business and how this affects me. I own Munkey Joe Paints and Casts. I started this business in about 2003 when I accepted commissions and casting for others. I do not have a business number and I do not have a business address other than my personal address. I do less than the minimum reporting amount in income ( of $1k I think) therefore I am not required to report the income to the IRS. I also know unscrupulous persons who deal in cash and western union only to avoid IRS reporting. not having a number nor reporting income to the IRS does not mean you are a fake as I have had several vouch for me that I am in fact real. My Casting company Facebook page was made May 7th 2013. I have been doing things LONG before then and never made a facebook page. In fact I ONLY made a page because Lester Bursley from Awesome Paint Job asked me to make one so he could promote it as payment for me making some bases for his titan commission. so the fact my FB was made 10 years after my company was founded is not solid proof Im a fake either.
NOW I am sure Dakka guys have their proof that supports their claims. I am not saying I have seen it BUT Im sure something exists for them to make the claims they are making or else there would be some legal issues. the Staff here seems to have the same mindset I do and deals with facts. I will go on the record as saying I have never been scammed by Alan OR Daniel and I personally have nothing bad to say about them other than Daniel has horrible casting skills (why he contacted me originally) and had a habit of going long stretches with no contact. I have not had the same problems with Alan and I still talk to him and Im really trying to convince him to show some sort of proof that he is Legit or he faces being branded as a scammer Whether he is or not. I will close this wall of text by saying the Facts shall be the truth, and unless you strip all the feelings from this and look at hard facts its all opinion. Im sure there are facts, and each side will have to prove their stance of guilt or innocence. Alan needs to prove his case soon to be vindicated because the Dakka team has their stuff in order I am sure.
Thank you for your time and I will continue to lurk now.
Joe, you've got to wonder at this point... why won't 'Alan' provide simple, non-personal evidence he himself stated he had in hand (the warhound 3D files) and just make all his accusers, myself in particular, look like complete idiots? He has everything to gain and nothing to lose. Does this make sense to you in any way?
Also, I just want to make clear, again, that there is no 'Dakka' or 'staff' when it comes to this matter. I am acting and posting in here on my own behalf, not the site, as are the other mods who choose to participate. There is no 'official' Dakka stance on this matter other than possibly Daniel Mandelbaum is to be avoided.
Last, if you are a former federal officer and you think this is a serious matter... we need your help. There is overwhelming, incontrivertable evidence that Mandelbaum has commited theft and fraud on multiple occasions over the past 4 years, including mail fraud, false information, harrasment, ponzi schemes, aliases and unregistered businesses. I can't cough up the definitive evidence this time which trust me, sucks, but I have to take the long-view. However, past incidents are ridiculously well documented, public and incontrivertable.
The truth of the matter is, loathe as I am to admit, law enforcement doesn't seem to care about this. They see an individual claim for ~1k or less, and hear 'toy soldiers', and they pass it over as small potatoes. No one thus far has taken a serious look at this very serious situation. This guy isn't going away. He absolutely will not give up trying to steal from this community. He needs to face real world consequences for his criminal activity, and those consequences need to come from the correct authorities obviously and nowhere else.
This guy has found a little niche where he he knows he will get away with things, he knows he has been reported and he knows what the answer was. That is why he is so bold and relentless, it's just money on a tree to him.
So, since you would seem to be connected, and you acknowledge the crimes are serious, is there anything you can do to help get this person and the evidence looked at by someone who will take it in as a whole and also not be deterred or dismissive because it involves 'toys'?
Otherwise, we are just treading water here to be honest. Putting a lot of effort and time into protecting people from moment to moment, but never being able to shut down the threat. I am sick to death of watching for him, and also sick of having to make vague allegations instead of just throwing out what lying piece of work he is without worrying about next time.
MajorTom, man, i can see where you are coming from, but as an outside observer, i have to say it is easy for people to doubt that Alan is another Mandelbaum alias...
the fact that you guys exposed the Warhound scam is great work...
trying to convince the Average Joe that this is Mandelbaum again, with no evidence to provide, is a bit harder...
i don't doubt you, and it does look like the same thing all over again, but someone who has never heard of Mandelbaum is going to be a lot more skeptical...
thus, the Facebook defenders...
it would be nice if Munkey Joe could somehow lead the right authorities to take an interest in the scams, and put an end to it...
personally, i get a little sick everytime i see another link from Alan in my junk box...
simply thanks to the Warhound scam...
that is some messed up stuff right there...
being able to make a living off minis is a gift, and should be treated as such...
finally, being from L.A. myself, i've never heard of this guy...
not that that matters, L.A. is a huge place, but Long Beach is right next to Redondo, and we all go to the same four little conventions at the Westin, every year...
you think i would have at least heard about the guy making great conversions, at some point...
i could easily provide a few store owners who could vouch for my identity, and i'm not even in town that often anymore...
sorry you have to go through this all again, MT...
thanks for your hard work and vigilance...
jah-joshua wrote: MajorTom, man, i can see where you are coming from, but as an outside observer, i have to say it is easy for people to doubt that Alan is another Mandelbaum alias...
the fact that you guys exposed the Warhound scam is great work...
trying to convince the Average Joe that this is Mandelbaum again, with no evidence to provide, is a bit harder...
i don't doubt you, and it does look like the same thing all over again, but someone who has never heard of Mandelbaum is going to be a lot more skeptical...
thus, the Facebook defenders...
it would be nice if Munkey Joe could somehow lead the right authorities to take an interest in the scams, and put an end to it...
personally, i get a little sick everytime i see another link from Alan in my junk box...
simply thanks to the Warhound scam...
that is some messed up stuff right there...
being able to make a living off minis is a gift, and should be treated as such...
finally, being from L.A. myself, i've never heard of this guy...
not that that matters, L.A. is a huge place, but Long Beach is right next to Redondo, and we all go to the same four little conventions at the Westin, every year...
you think i would have at least heard about the guy making great conversions, at some point...
i could easily provide a few store owners who could vouch for my identity, and i'm not even in town that often anymore...
sorry you have to go through this all again, MT...
thanks for your hard work and vigilance...
cheers
jah
Yep that red text x1000. I am from the LA area too and although I don't think we know each other I bet if we sat down it wouldn't take long for one of use to recognize the name of someone we have bother played a game with. I would say what, maybe 2 minutes max?
MajorTom11 wrote: Joe, you've got to wonder at this point... why won't 'Alan' provide simple, non-personal evidence he himself stated he had in hand (the warhound 3D files) and just make all his accusers, myself in particular, look like complete idiots? He has everything to gain and nothing to lose. Does this make sense to you in any way?
I am trying to convince him that he needs to do this. he is watching this thread and has already chatted with me about some of the contents. here is his reply about "proof"
ive tried to do things like offer tracking showing i ship from LA
or my face behind an LA paper from today
or share my clients contact info with catwell
all they ever want is tax id numbers or my state ID, one i wont show and the other i dont have
i dont make much doing this work, its not my job, its my hobby
NOW I will agree its frustrating on both sides. BUT I only offer advice to him, its up to him to take it or leave it. I have told him If it were ME I would do whatever to clear my name. I actually would be an ass about it and toss someone under the bus to clear my name if I were not guilty. BUT not everyone is like me so I offer advice for him to decide.
MajorTom11 wrote: Last, if you are a former federal officer and you think this is a serious matter... we need your help
.
Well I am always willing to help. Again I have to have proof and not opinion but I am willing to help you out in any way I can. I have friends in the Federal Police in Frederick MD and providing the evidence is solid I can see what can be done. I will caution you that you wont be taken serious on most of the issues though. You should see some of the flack I got about being a wargamer in the department... BUT crime is crime and with enough evidence AND testimony something should be able to be done. I also have LE friends in the Dallas area to be able to serve papers IF everything is in order.
NOW I will not blow smoke BUT chances of something coming out of this are slim Even with proper evidence. Its Just not a priority to most departments. I will Say that Porkus and I have a mutual friend at Bartertown that can also help some Maybe. I would like to not call him myself as everytime I do it seems Im wanting something from him, so PM me and I will try to get you in contact with him. I have not called or texted him in about a year so it would give him more ammo to say "you never call me unless you want something".... LOL NOW I will attach a pic from when I was working as an officer As proof I was an officer. I am NOT currently an officer nor anything associated with Law Enforcement. BUT here you are..... Ignore the Bathroom Selfie and Gut. I like cakes and donuts. so sue me.
I am trying to convince him that he needs to do this. he is watching this thread and has already chatted with me about some of the contents. here is his reply about "proof"
ive tried to do things like offer tracking showing i ship from LA
or my face behind an LA paper from today
or share my clients contact info with catwell
all they ever want is tax id numbers or my state ID, one i wont show and the other i dont have
i dont make much doing this work, its not my job, its my hobby
NOW I will agree its frustrating on both sides. BUT I only offer advice to him, its up to him to take it or leave it. I have told him If it were ME I would do whatever to clear my name. I actually would be an ass about it and toss someone under the bus to clear my name if I were not guilty. BUT not everyone is like me so I offer advice for him to decide.
None of that is in any way proof. Refusal to display legally valid and mandatory documentation only reinforces the impression that Welson is a front. It would be so simple to show his birth certificate.
It makes it worse that Welson/Mandelaum works through third parties rather than joining the forum to communicate more directly.
Or just show up at a LFGS with some of his work and have a couple of pictures taken. Show drivers license/CC to the store owner and have him vouch for you.
Kilkrazy wrote: [ None of that is in any way proof. Refusal to display legally valid and mandatory documentation only reinforces the impression that Welson is a front. It would be so simple to show his birth certificate.
It makes it worse that Welson/Mandelaum works through third parties rather than joining the forum to communicate more directly.
to be Honest... I wont give you a copy of my Birth certificate.... Just saying.
I told him to submit the Order number for the shapeways order proving that payment was made, but Im unsure as to why or why not he hasnt shown them... And Yea Im not trying to be his voice on here, I am simply addressing some comments and such. Im not trying to defend anyone, but not trying to watch a lynching either. I will share my discussions with him with proper people but Im not going to copy and paste it openly, as it was sent to me and I was told I can share with people who need to know. I will sometimes share some of the convo as I did here to allow his Efforts to be made knowledge but Im not his spokesperson nor his voice. Only a guy who wants the truth, good or bad.
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Breotan wrote: Or just show up at a LFGS with some of his work and have a couple of pictures taken. Show drivers license/CC to the store owner and have him vouch for you.
thats a valid thought I will recommend that to him
I would chat with exiledminiatures about the benefits of trying to bridge the gap between "Dakka" and Mandelbonder.
I was as skeptical as anyone else when we got the "It's him. I know because of privileged information that I'm not going to share" routine, but this whole thing is just going by the numbers just like Resin Forge.
THis is her reply, beginning to think she is being willfully blind
'Have read it ... I can't act on heresay and conjecture. This needs to be addressed elsewhere.'
If she runs the group she can do what she likes. However, she's had adequate warning. If she won't heed it then further unwanted attempts to push the matter will just convince her that Dakka is the problem party not Mandelbaum.
Munkey Joe, like I said when you first joined us, glad to have you here mate.
I know exactly the position you are in now, as I was in that same spot during Resin Forge, and Tom contacted me and I shared some information with him privately. I'll actually be posting some of that information later tonight to share with everyone how this works.
When I worked for Resin Forge managing the facebook and being a face here on Dakka, I would provide Kim/Daniel with my advice on how to fix the company image. While I have no formal PR training, I have worked retail for the last decade and done promotions for bands and clubs since middle school.
So I constantly would tell them how to address the accusations and prove that the business was operating legally. And every time I got the same response you did, or I was told yes it'll happen and then it wouldn't.
As Monster said, this whole thing is going exactly by the numbers.
And as Tom pointed out, this won't stop unless true legal action is brought upon him.
Honestly if he is being wrongly accused he can prove it, I'd feel sorry, but the fact that overwhelming evidence is against him and the way he denies and refuses to give proof of his identity doesn't help.
Well, I've been fortunate enough to never have contact with Daniel or Alan or any of the previous pseudonyms, but even so I've followed the threads simply because its an eye opener as to what can go wrong in our little world of toy soldiers.
But Joe said his reply to providing proof is this
I
ve tried to do things like offer tracking showing i ship from LA
or my face behind an LA paper from today
or share my clients contact info with catwell
all they ever want is tax id numbers or my state ID, one i wont show and the other i dont have
i dont make much doing this work, its not my job, its my hobby
Now the salient point here is the first three lines. They are lies, followed by a statement of victimisation.
He says that last so what you take from the statement is that he is being victimised, its the most prevalent in your mind. ANY decent marketing course will explain this use of language to you, and it is entirely deliberate.
The first three lines are the actual important bit, they are lies because he has suggested he will do those things , but he never actually has done any of them, the response to that statement should always be for him to do one of those first three, but the way we process information will lead one to focus on the last part unless the reader understands the communication patterns being used.
Noggin: Glad you saw that too. That is what popped into my head when I read that response, and what led to the rest of this post. He plays the victim and claims to have tried to be up front when he hasn't done anything of the sort.
Alright, I've been pulling these messages from my archives. Previously only Tom has seen some of these. But I'm now sharing these to show exactly how a DM scheme gets its defenders and people to speak for them.
Resin Forge Store
I dont think people realize Daniels native language was hebrew. not english.
To answer previous questions about Alan's broken english.
Aj Thornton
Definitely I'll take a look in a second I was responding to another message from a subscriber hi can't post but I think he just meant he can't add content not that he can't respond to our posts lol 11:03am
Resin Forge Store
want me to add back customer comments and posts?
11:05am
Aj Thornton
I thought about it and I explained it was disabled for the time being while we sorted out the constant harassment and insults that keep being posted.
11:06am
Resin Forge Store
well thing is, people cant just post, its always moderated
you or i would have to approve it
as for dakka, you really will need to make an account there and tell majortom to lay the hell off
hes gone full blown "rambo" over NOTHING
11:13am
Aj Thornton
Yeah I had to recover my password to my account there and just logged in. I was going to respond in the thread about the cease and desist letter namely addressing the fact that I am a real person and painter who has had this Facebook page for the last 8 years and have no personal connection to you or dm or Jason so I don't have you on my friends list. Lol
This is the point where it went from well help me watch and monitor our facebook page, to you need to be the face on Dakka. I can't post there so you have to do it for me.
Spoiler:
Resin Forge Store
Simply say you can not speak as to why I, Kim personally wont share private info to people who in my own opinion have proven to take things out of context and even use personal info to harass me in my everyday life.
Thats my statement. If you want to back it up with you agree, awesome, if you disgree, your call ill NEVER force you to say anything you dont want to
Ok Art added more "Automatically Appended Next Post:
Sorry, another question!
If Daniel and Jason have left, and all of the unpleasantness is now behind you, why are the personal attacks and pseudo racist remarks still up on the page? "
WTH is he even talking about?
I removed all the major argument stuff this morning.
and if hes talking about the german thing, you already replied to that question, clearly showing what scum he is and how he doesnt even read a thread.
1:51pm
Resin Forge Store
--------- your good------------
1:56pm
Aj Thornton
Haha I'm winnin public support for unhappy people
2:01pm
Resin Forge Store
not with Art "Sorry, but apart from a passport number, or credit card number, both of which an be obscured, what other information would there be that the nefarious could phish from a simple boarding card or till receipt?
Yet more obfuscation and misdirection I fear. "
Who appears to not understand US boarding passes
2:02pm
Resin Forge Store
Misdirection is him wanting personal info on me, and ignoring there are no RF customs left high and dry owed money or models..
customers*
But yea, you are for the masses, which is amazing
Gold star!
2:09pm
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Ok, now they are digging up Daniels mother who was like a second mom to me. Thats why I was one of the first to leave her a message at her obituary. They once again link to it and mention Daniel and Is union. We dated. Jason told Art that, thats not new news. Ive had many b/fs does that mean im a whore now too?
2:09pm
Resin Forge Store
They keep taking things to a personal level.
---The true credit of Resin Forge is in its huge ass customer base---
Not posting personal pictures nor personal details beyond an LLC
And posting a company address and phone number, even though thats not even a US law, its an EU regulation... thats why lex and Art are all over that gak
They think EU laws rules the world when in reality the EU is out of money and collapsing.
lol
2:26pm
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actual question to you, doesnt it seem better for a company tyo repair its name, rather then close up, mass email hidden people, change names and act likes a new company?
because the latest poster said I should have done just that
that seems .... wrong... on so many levels.
2:40pm
Resin Forge Store
Im also tempted to make a small 30 second web vid that just goes over me, plans for RF, and how the past is the past, its time to move forward
whats your thoughts?
2:42pm
Aj Thornton
Yeh I lost Internet for like 20 minutes but the video would be a good touch. I think if we could show event badges or something it could help but the amount of information that would be blurred would be null and void.
Since its a us based company eu law doesn't appy to it, but we could make a statement along the lines of once business is re-established we will furnish a physical adress(po box) for resin forge.
I can push to leave Daniel mom out of it but it the flavor of the month for them
2:49pm
Resin Forge Store
Its for my sake. She was a second mother to me in a lit of ways.
lot*
2:50pm
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Bringing her up hurts me as well and with Daniel gone, im pretttttty sure he is not checking Dakka anymore. he could care less about them.
The video would work, what should be discussed? I was thinking specifically the Stephanie signature as how I now sign with Kim. Stephanie is personal, Kim is formal. Its that simple. What other topics could be brought up in a not to long video. Needs to fit on FB.
2:51pm
Resin Forge Store
And yes we WILL provide a physical address with phone number even.
Just appease the EU base.
2:58pm
Resin Forge Store
HAHHAHAHA
you blew lex away so hard all he could say was
2:58pm
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"So I have some questions, A J.:
- Why are you doing the moderator job on RF's Facebook page?
- Are you being paid to be a moderator?
- Do you get recomenpsation for your work such as models or bits?
- What's your connection to "Kim"?
- Do you know "Kim" face to face?
- Have you met Daniel Mandelbaum in person?
- Have you met Jason Martin in person? "
2:59pm
Resin Forge Store
Mention that im highly considering making a video to post as a face to face
all other things you can reply to just fine truth is always best
For your reading please feel free to see the spam amount of messages I would receive before I could reply!
Spoiler:
Aj Thornton
I would address the business license and that its being acquired. That we're still here and taking comments and orders just keep it simple and give ten your plans on where the company is goin from here
I'd do a face to face with them lol And as far as answering about compensation that isn't there business if I'm payed or not. A lt of companies hire people to manage social networks and adress pr issues
3:03pm
Resin Forge Store
Indeed they do, you can reply as you will on that as with the other things. Its just a good time to add in the video
I MAY skype with them at some point for a live thing but for not, just a short video
now*
3:04pm
Aj Thornton
Yeah you could do a live stream with them on Justin tv or something
3:12pm
Resin Forge Store
Im down for that after we test a basic recorded video
obviously if they bash my looks im not going to be doing a live stream lol
My recommendation for the video which is not what was then posted.
Aj Thornton
Yeah I just finally for to look at some of the responses ill have to read them closely and see but I think we need something along the lines of flight records or day passes for hh or concede the point. It's something they're not willing to drop
June 18
10:44pm
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And its something im looking at right here
MS paint does not work
PNG data can be recovereed
they did that to Daniels mom last year
Took her edited DL and made it un editted
showing the world her DL number
im opening the shopping cart back, 3 requests for it today
whatcha think?
10:46pm
Aj Thornton
that sucks. Yeah I was going to read and then started dozing off when I got home lol 10:46pm
Resin Forge Store
also, how did we get people books, davanite priests etc if we didnt go
they ignore that fact "they made tons of pre orders" if so where are all the people
left hanging
Instead of addressing the issue she went off on a different direction.
Resin Forge Store
100% correct
even in Texas
it shows shareholders, not owners. for the video, when you can give me a lsit of things to cover and I will
i dont want to miss anything
and im tempted to file the LLC in Delaware
or here in Cali.
thats gonna confuse the gak out of them lol 12:09am
Aj Thornton
it wouldn't hurt to file in cali. and actually probably smart if your currently residing there.
I'll come up with a list of talking points in the morning I have no idea how I'm still up
How I know Kim is "Based" in LA area. Also look for company similar in Delaware.
Spoiler:
Resin Forge Store
read his posts on CNC and it most certainly is
hes out right said we owe dozens of people
and we "cant fulfill orders"
his site clearly says that lol anywho, yea, when your awake tomorrow send over the talking points and I will be getting the video ready
12:16am
Aj Thornton
It is truly his responsibility as a journalist to report a scam, but as long as we make our points and give the evidence that DM isn't involved, the LLC is in your name and that business will continue in good standing and any issues will be resolved immediately then I think he will stand down.
12:17am
Aj Thornton
his current statememnts lead me to think he will only act if he feels that we/you are trying to scam the community which isn't the case. We just have to push on and it will work out
12:17am
Resin Forge Store
he cabnt report a scam if it hasnt happened
thats against the law
thats calles news creation
called*
notice lex removed all the "scammer" crap when we looked for it
More discussion about the video with my recommendations on what it must be, which it wasn't.
Spoiler:
Resin Forge Store
smart, for the latest post it might be worth mentioning I will be wearing a half fancy mask
or dont mention it and they can find out
but im not showing my whole face, I live in LA
with MOST of theses exact people
including the owner of dakka who lives 7 minutes away.
More about LA
These are just some of my suggestions on how to manage the disaster which at this point was unraveling,
Aj Thornton
As far as what to say, tell them you are tired of being called names and disrespected. Provide the proof that the new LLC will be solely in your name. Without HH weekend pics they'll want you to concede that you weren't there, that's something they won't back down on. You can either address it or ignore it. But as I said before, and have said in the thread, RF need a to continue as business as usual. Returning customers will still shop and by doing reputable business a Client base be established. Even using eBay to sell bits and ends to manage the business
11:23am
Aj Thornton
What you could do, print the image and manually crop the information out using an exacto knife, something that can be done quickly nd doesn't leave something that can be unmasked. I'm not leaning towards them but I'm telling you what your going to have to do clean this up. If they think Daniel is at all involved they will not stop.
Regardless of what I spin to them they will want the proof to back up what I tell. You have to understand I can only tell them so much but without the evidence to support what I say it does no good to them. And yes you did but I do believe you are who you say.
I'm just trying to manage the crisis and cool some tempers.
None of which were done, just smoke screened and ignored.
It goes on for another week but I'm exhausted of reading the archives! More than happy to discuss anything that was said in these though.
SilverMK2 wrote: I was always very impressed that someone could "uncrop/unblur/unblank" digital images without the original...
I'm pretty sure that this is guff. Taking a look at the file structure there is just nowhere to store the unobscured data as well as the data that obscures it as PNG does not support layers or pages or history/versioning etc.
SilverMK2 wrote: I was always very impressed that someone could "uncrop/unblur/unblank" digital images without the original...
I'm pretty sure that this is guff. Taking a look at the file structure there is just nowhere to store the unobscured data as well as the data that obscures it as PNG does not support layers or pages or history/versioning etc.
Sorry, I know it is hard to read tone in text but I was being facetious. I am aware of what kind of information image files generally contain and what they do not contain - my implication being that, as you say, it was "guff"
I'm going to put this in giant writing so no one misses it and Mandelbaum can't pretend I'm asking for anything else :
Show an in program shot of the BigBad Warhound base mesh, no shading, just the polygons. It is not personal info, you yourself said you had the files and already used them. If you show that, it will prove you were honest about having the files, and that you were selling something you had to sell and not taking pre orders for thin air.
There is zero risk, zero personal info and about 5 minutes of effort involved in doing this. There is absolutely no reason you could not produce this if you were honest about your story.
Stop bs'ing, I don't want your birth certificate, your dl, or even a picture with you in it. Just a screenshot of an open file you said is sitting on your computer. Stop smoke screening by pretending we want a blood sample or for you to meet us in dark alleys or your banking pin. Get that screenshot. It's easy. What possible reason is there not to if you have it as you claimed? You can only benefit, I can only lose.
Sorry, I know it is hard to read tone in text but I was being facetious. I am aware of what kind of information image files generally contain and what they do not contain - my implication being that, as you say, it was "guff"
I thought you might have been, but given the overall tone of the thread I thought that a little clarity and background was required as it further adds to the scale of BS coming out of the Resin Forge "incident". That and I find the whole "hackers did it" defence to anything computer related best countered by showing why its utter b*****ks.
Without getting into this Facebook group thing too much: the owner will be REALLY happy if that group is the only one that lets Welsonbondley post stuff. Plus in any case everybody knows that whenever or whatever he will post, he will attract a gak storm, that won't work for too long.
Aaaaanyhoo, last time it was 'ze Germans who were after Mandelbaum, now apparently it's the Aussies (according to "Alan Welson"). Next time the Russians? Or the Chinese? We'll see.
Alan Welson:
And ive sent this same email for a week.
Black Crusade Studio <blackcrusadestudio@gmail.com>
Aug 28 (8 days ago)...See More
1:53pm (25 minutes ago) · LikeReply
[...]
Alan Welson:
I wont keep playing this tit for tat game. Reply all you want, im done with this garbage.
1:54pm (25 minutes ago) · Edited · LikeReply
Inquisitor S. Lexicanum:
Tit for tat? Where's your tit then? Or tat? You received an answer to your mail. Be content about it, address the issues in the answer. Or don't. Your "identity" (which you still can't prove) is so burned beyond all recognition that in any case it's purely academic by now.
Summarized:
- no proof you ever had the 3D plans
- used stolen pics to sell non-existing products
- ignores public communication while claiming not to have received an answer from the actual Titan and 3D plan owner
- no proof "Alan Welson" actually exists
- no proof "Alan Welson" actually operates from Los Angeles
- no proof anybody ever has met you despite you claim you have been such an active member of the local wargaming community for 20 years
- refusal to meet in person with several people in the LA area
Etc etc etc ad infinitum. Your online "identity" and reputation (not talking about "real life" as that obviously doesn't even exist) are so rotten by now not even a vulture with olfactory malfunction would touch that with a stick. Congratulations, for somebody being innocent you are remarkably apt at making yourself more suspicious each time you hit the keyboard 2:03pm (16 minutes ago) · LikeReply
Inquisitor S. Lexicanum:
P.S.: so far you told us 4 times that you were done with this thread. I bet you won't be able to keep your trap shut this time either
2:04pm (15 minutes ago) · LikeReply
He will be back, no doubt. Alan/ Daniel can never leave it in peace. But as I wrote to him: this venture of his is ashes. It will never, ever recover, no chance. So next one coming up for sure
MajorTom11 wrote: I'm going to put this in giant writing so no one misses it and Mandelbaum can't pretend I'm asking for anything else :
Show an in program shot of the BigBad Warhound base mesh, no shading, just the polygons. It is not personal info, you yourself said you had the files and already used them. If you show that, it will prove you w're honest about having the files, and that you were selling something you had to sell and not taking pre orders for thin air.
There is zero risk, zero personal info and about 5 minutes of effort involved in doing this. There is absolutely no reason you could not produce this if you were honest about your story.
Stop bs'ing, I don't want your birth certificate, your dl, or even a picture with you in it. Just a screenshot of an open file you said is sitting on your computer. Stop smoke screening by pretending we want a blood sample or for you to meet us in dark alleys or your banking pin. Get that screenshot. It's easy. What possible reason is there not to if you have it as you claimed? You can only benefit, I can only lose.
Also, did a little digging, the Black Crusade Studio was founded in March of 2012... At least that's what FB says... and then No profile Pic until May 27th, 2013...and posting didn't actually start until the beginning of August 2013... I'm inclined to believe DM had planned this out all the way back in 2012... So, possibly, he could have another proxy page set up so he can abandon BCS and move over there to begin again, only this time, he got caught early before he could actually try to get some positive reviews with fake product.
Yes, the BCS facebook page claims it was founded in March 2012. You can set ANY date you wish for the "founding" of your organization/group/business FB Page (I just created one 2 weeks ago for a local gaming convention and set the "Founded in" date to 3 years ago when we held our first convention).
No screenshots at this time but some points of potential interest via FB pm's with BCS yesterday;
"For commissions, we only work with people we know, hence no prices listed for those"
"The only prices listed were for extra Forge World bits, prices which are lower than on ebay for the same bits" - (thus the "our prices can't be beat" claim)
Apparently BCS is only works with clients sent by other clients, despite the FB page being entirely public and inviting people to work with them (as shown on the 725+ likes "event") and no evidence that it's essentially "private/invite only" commission work.
"Listing prices of FB is a big no no by FB itself" - claimed regarding the lack of prices listed on the FB page (has apparently gotten warnings from FB itself telling him not to list prices)
He's done custom work "locally here in LA for more than 10 years"
Wait what? What have we done? How can it be Aussies after him?
In his head it's mainly Aussies hounding him in the Facebook groups as he thinks one mod of a group is Aussie and one of the commenters mentioned being close to him/ her. So the mod doesn't do anything against the negative comments, therefore the Aussies are out to get him. Something like that.
Just focus up guys, just ask the one question that matters here, the one he himself said he had in hand, the one that proves, regardless of whether or not he is Daniel or Alan, that it was not a complete and total fraud that initial warhound sale.
We don't need personal info. We don't even need his business reg #. We don't need proof he is in LA. All that matters, is to establish that his very first issue was legit or not. He says he was scammed. He can easily, easily prove their are elements of honesty to his story. Let's start there.
I was going to stay out of it this time, as the grief I got during the RF time was enough to test the patience of an angel.
However:
1) I never asked Daniel about his mother, in fact I can't recall ever discussing her with him in any shape or form
2) all of the discussions at the time were published here, by me, in the interests of full disclosure
3) the nonsense about US boarding passes: under the Warsaw conventions, ALL boarding passes are the same! I would have been more than happy to dig out one of the many passes I still have from my annual visits to the US (I'm sad like that - I keep a travel journal) to prove it
4) if Alan Welson isn't Daniel, why did he block me the second I asked if he was DM? Why not just answer the question?
5) Sami is a great person who just wants to run a group based on painting, modelling and converting. Price whines are incredibly taboo (the same as with the group I mod - wargaming veterans) as they can take over. Why she allows DM's antics I don't know. However, I posted a link to both Lex and here on many sites all of which quite happily took the post and ran with it (one even mutated into giving DM his own 40k army entry!)
If it looks like a pig, grunts like a pig, then it's a damn pig.
MajorTom11 wrote: Just focus up guys, just ask the one question that matters here, the one he himself said he had in hand, the one that proves, regardless of whether or not he is Daniel or Alan, that it was not a complete and total fraud that initial warhound sale.
We don't need personal info. We don't even need his business reg #. We don't need proof he is in LA. All that matters, is to establish that his very first issue was legit or not. He says he was scammed. He can easily, easily prove their are elements of honesty to his story. Let's start there.
I'm with this opinion, just show us what we want to see...
This far in the game (again). Clearly, it was a scam. Clearly, you ask? If it wasn't, he would have answered. Blowing smoke, that's all he's doing. He'll mess up soon. He'll scam one of us, who actually has enough political pull in a tiny little town/county that'll get him prosecuted.
There's no point asking to see any proof at this stage , were well into the second meltdown all we have left is the third (oh my god i got death threats i'm done with you trolls i'm going to have to shut up shop now you have ruined my life ) and then wait for the next one to start up in a month's time . Everything else posted from them at this point is just the smokescreen as he exits stage left with whatever money he has somehow managed to grab from the takings bag as he runs from the theater.
HOWEVER if we are wrong and you are a legitimate conversion company / parts vendor with no connection to the vileness that is Kimdanielstephmendabonder then as a potential customer could you provide me with your address as required under Californian law (CA code bpc;17538.5 section a ) of course if you are operating from a legitimate premises open to the public during business hours you are exempt from this part of the the Californian code and then all you need to do is tell me where to call in and discuss my conversion needs with you (i am sensing this will not be fothcoming though)
One thing I've seen mentioned on the screen grabs that I REALLY think needs to be addressed about Dakka Dakka is that we delete accounts and ban people. The only person that I'm aware of that has been banned is Dannyboy himself. And it's pretty concrete proof that all of his scams can be no one but Daniel. Why on earth won't someone come here and state their case? Well, because his IP would prove it everytime.
I feel very comfortable in saying anyone coming here to defend any of The Mandelexperience would not be banned, burned at the stake or any other horrid thing Daniel would have people believe. We probably won't agree with them, but look at AJ. He's still alive.... And not just because he sees the truth to Daniel's ways.
I have followed the Bonder drama from the beginning and would like to thank everyone who has put in the effort to try and protect the community. As far as bringing Matt to justice, has anyone thought of contacting the media in his area? I would like to think if channel six news showed up at the local police station with some questions as to why they refuse to do anything about someone running a con business in their jurisdiction it might light a fire under their ass. A little embarrassment goes a long way with some law enforcement.
ChainswordHeretic wrote: I have followed the Bonder drama from the beginning and would like to thank everyone who has put in the effort to try and protect the community. As far as bringing Matt to justice, has anyone thought of contacting the media in his area? I would like to think if channel six news showed up at the local police station with some questions as to why they refuse to do anything about someone running a con business in their jurisdiction it might light a fire under their ass. A little embarrassment goes a long way with some law enforcement.
But I can just as easily see a PD spokesperson saying "it's not a high enough priority, with gangs, drugs, etc..., to invest time and resources. " with out changing expressions. It seems like no big deal to someone who's never been through it, and more importantly, not a gamer.
ChainswordHeretic wrote: I have followed the Bonder drama from the beginning and would like to thank everyone who has put in the effort to try and protect the community. As far as bringing Matt to justice, has anyone thought of contacting the media in his area? I would like to think if channel six news showed up at the local police station with some questions as to why they refuse to do anything about someone running a con business in their jurisdiction it might light a fire under their ass. A little embarrassment goes a long way with some law enforcement.
Not a bad idea... everything is worth a try so long as it involves getting the proper authorities involved.
That being said, there is no Dana on Zuh - er - there is no Matt Bonder, only Daniel Mandelbaum.
Sorry Tom, hard to keep all the names straight. I know you are able to get the people with the evidence together. If you show it to the media they just might do something to give law enforcement the push to do something about Daniel.
In any case it seems as if following the revelation that Mr Monkey-Joe is (former) law enforcement Mr "Welson" decided to make a very sudden disappearance. Pure coincidence?
So either he is gaking his pants because former cops always have contacts and friends amongst current law enforcement - or he is spawning his next online identity.
P.S.2: So in any case this Belgian Mandelbaum apparently didn't make good choices in life and ended in what the newspapers of the day christened it "The Mandelbaum Affair" (L'affaire Mandelbaum).
Inquisitor S. wrote: In any case it seems as if following the revelation that Mr Monkey-Joe is (former) law enforcement Mr "Welson" decided to make a very sudden disappearance. Pure coincidence?
So either he is gaking his pants because former cops always have contacts and friends amongst current law enforcement - or he is spawning his next online identity.
I did not know someone had posted here till Alan sent me a message about it. I told him I would copy and paste this on here so Here it is...
I have not vanished, i am not afraid of anyone and for that little fething gakker to basically imply people should attack me for being someone im not is ABSURD!
And since he just name dropped you, its probably best you mention how I have no vanished.
not*
Im simply not playing the bs game with them,
and im done with it.
By saying i should be burned and shot. Thats pretty fethed up.
Or saying im afraid of you or any other cop. Ive done nothing wrong.
This is why i will not show any ID or anything like where I game.
MajorTom11 wrote: I'm going to put this in giant writing so no one misses it and Mandelbaum can't pretend I'm asking for anything else :
Show an in program shot of the BigBad Warhound base mesh, no shading, just the polygons. It is not personal info, you yourself said you had the files and already used them. If you show that, it will prove you were honest about having the files, and that you were selling something you had to sell and not taking pre orders for thin air.
There is zero risk, zero personal info and about 5 minutes of effort involved in doing this. There is absolutely no reason you could not produce this if you were honest about your story.
Stop bs'ing, I don't want your birth certificate, your dl, or even a picture with you in it. Just a screenshot of an open file you said is sitting on your computer. Stop smoke screening by pretending we want a blood sample or for you to meet us in dark alleys or your banking pin. Get that screenshot. It's easy. What possible reason is there not to if you have it as you claimed? You can only benefit, I can only lose.
Yes 'Alan' how about it? Or at least a reason why you won't? You obviously see everything on this thread instantly, so no need to pretend you haven't seen this. You said you had the plans yourself. Why won't you show them? Prove me wrong, I double dare you, show me a screenshot. Just one. Cmon... it's easy, just hit screenshot, save it to your FB, and we will see it. It could all be over in 5 minutes, and you'd get an apology from me and prove I'm just a trolling witch-hunter like you said. 5 minutes Alan. No personal info. No pics of you. No corroborating member of the community in LA, no business number. Just a screenshot of the mesh, that's it.
You are clearly at a computer pretty much 24-7. Drag your paw over to the file and double click it. Cmon Alan. You can do it. You don't need stones to click a file, just a finger man come on.
It would be so easy to end all of this with a simple post of the 3D plans, which wouldn't reveal anything about himself in the least, except that he was telling the truth about them in the first place.
Mandelbaum would still be in the open but at least he could save some face in the end, even if it's hidden by a mask
Eventually Daniel will end up crossing someone who has just as much time on their hands as he does, and it won't go well for him.
He's just not that smart. He runs more or less the same scam every time(selling items he doesn't have or cannot get and then not delivering) and he uses the same excuses over and over. He's a one trick pony, if that pony had the IQ of cheese.
He'll fade away again for a month or two and then pop up under some stupid new name. He uses names like apartment complexes do, recycling the same few buzzwords that all convey the same thing.
Instead of using "Ridge, Vista, Wood, etc" like apartments, he does generic sci fi game sounding things: Resin, Studio, Forge, Wargame etc.
At this point, ANY new FB page, website, or "commission for hire" that pops up and doesn't have a verifiable name, face, location attached to it I'd just assume is Daniel.
Red flags:
No personal picture of the owner
No name of said person that can be verified with a cursory google search
ANY models posted in the VERY unique nature of Daniels conversions. It's the saddest part of this story, he's quite good at kitbashes and GS work, but then he wastes that talent by being him.
I'm surprised he moved on so quickly from Resin Forge, after how embarrassing that debacle was for him and Stephanie. It takes a true kind of ignorance and tunnel vision to come out the other side of that thinking nothing happened.
Probably making his newest FB account now... How about Liam McGonaghi this time for a new name Dan? It has a nice ring to it... you can even pretend to be from overseas and do a funny Geordie accent!
Probably making his newest FB account now... How about Liam McGonaghi this time for a new name Dan? It has a nice ring to it... you can even pretend to be from overseas and do a funny Geordie accent!
Hey! We here in the UK don't want to be associated to this scumbag, even through accent
i like how the typo, and correction, in the message he sent munkey joe is exactly the same style as the exchanges that AJ had with StephaKim...
i've never seen anyone else type that way...
still not had any of the local L.A. gamers in this thread speak up and say they have ever met Alan...
i know we have some Brookhurst Hobbies guys on here...
i wouldn't be surprised if there is at least one War House employee on here...
probably someone from the GW Battle Bunker, The Block, or San Pedro...
any of these GW guys would know a customer, since they ask for your name at checkout....
yet, someone with 20 years in the L.A. hobby community doesn't have one person step up and say they have heard of him...
odd...
I have not vanished, i am not afraid of anyone and for that little fething gakker to basically imply people should attack me for being someone im not is ABSURD!
And since he just name dropped you, its probably best you mention how I have no vanished.
not*
Im simply not playing the bs game with them,
and im done with it.
By saying i should be burned and shot. Thats pretty fethed up.
Or saying im afraid of you or any other cop. Ive done nothing wrong.
This is why i will not show any ID or anything like where I game.
I'd caution you about posting messages for Dandelbum. He will wear you out with it. Besides, he can clearly type.
He needs to man up, sign up and speak for himself, IMHO.
Inquisitor S. wrote:Ah, he's still alive, good Did he provide an answer why he still didn't show any proof he has the 3D plans yet?
I'd caution you about posting messages for Dandelbum. He will wear you out with it. Besides, he can clearly type. He needs to man up, sign up and speak for himself, IMHO.
Understood, BUT Im not posting for him really and now I will no longer post anything as he sent this about the posts here:
He has convionced the world im Daniel. He then gives a story where that same persons last name is killed. Of course that upsets me, those fething freaks think im that person! Im done with this Tommy. Post whatever you like. Im literally done. I didnt walk into any trap, I didnt say I was Daniel, they twist every single thing around and im done with it. They can feth THEMSELVES.
So I will gladly still be here and watch this as It interests me BUT I will not publicly display my conversations with Alan. Right or Wrong I dont know BUT Im not going to share a conversation sent in private. This is MY choice and Admins can contact me here or on FB if they have something to pass or If I think something said needs to be shared. If a person is giving up because I shared something he said to me then I wont share things publicly anymore. Sorry to be the stick in the mud Gang...
Yes, because if Alan Welson really existed, he would certainly have to worry about people taking him to be Daniel Mandelbaum in real life. It completely follows that a story about a person you don't even know, that you 'perceive to be directed' at a complete other person you've never met or heard of before two weeks ago, is a direct deaththreat towards you... a completely different person.
Nevermind said death threat was nothing but someone simply mentioning a co-incidental story about a guy in Europe who was an artist turned crook with the same last name as someone you have nothing to do with. You took it that way all on your own... hell, I even edited it out because I knew you'd be nuts enough to take it that way and come screaming out of the dark, even though any sane person would see coincidence of names and setting first. Only Daniel would take it as a threat... only Daniel would try to publicly use it to curry favor and be a victim. If you were Alan, really, you would have shut up long ago and went away, or cleared your name in any of the zillion ways you could have. It literally would take more effort to hide all aspects of who you are than to let one concrete detail slip. Can't name a single person who even knows your name after 20 years in the hobby? Can't do business in anything but pms? Can't come here to post yourself? Avoid all questions that are easy to answer by saying no one would believe you anyways? You really think anyone is buying that crap? You think you can do that constantly for 4 years and people won't clue in? Wow.
You say you're 'done' with 'Tommy'? Did we ever start? I only had one real question for you, one that would have cleared your name and protected your personal identity and made me look like a complete idiot. You chose the only logical course, said nothing and only made what you and I both know is the truth crystal clear to everyone else. I know it's you Daniel. I saw it with my own two beady little eyes, just the same as when we found RF. I told you we'd be watching. Guess what, we're not done either. We're still watching. You keep popping up your businesses and we'll keep wack-a-mole'ing your butt back into whatever hole you crawled out of. Everytime you pull this, a few more people make it their business to stop you from stealing from one single other person. You're not happy how fast you got busted again? Faster than ResinForge even... just think how much quicker it will be next time.
Give it up Daniel. You can't be crazy enough to believe the rest of the community will think there is another person crazy enough to be mistaken for you. You even screamed death-threat on cue you poor little victim you.
Where's that screenshot bro?
BTW, you still trying to sell 3 titans via PM, after you admitted the plans were stolen, is selling stolen goods. Or, the fact you are selling something you don't have at all, that's mail fraud and theft. Either way, you're a criminal.
Keep selling them though on your little FB account. It's all being documented. All the people you try to scheme are slowly coming together. Just keep going, sooner or later, there will be a knock on your door and a badge in your face.
OK well I said I would no longer post what Alan wanted me to BUT I will make this one last post as I dont want Bad Karma on me. True or not, Daniel Or not, Scammer or not, I dont care BUT I can do one last thing If it is true to save my butt from Karma biting me I will... So here we go
Im making it so you have to click it and you cant just see by accident.
Spoiler:
"I am at my ropes end, you all hate me, fine. You all say I did this or that, fine. But if you seriously dont stop, I wont be left for you to do anything about. This is at the end for me and you all have done a great job pushing me there."
feth the hotline, im writing a note right now. Majortom lies and makes gak up left and right, im done Tommy. Sorry I wasnt stronger bud.
That post favor is the last ill ever ask.
i assume i can count on you for that.
Bye Tommy, thanks for being my friend.
Awesome 16 year old tactics there Daniel. Seriously? There is no way in hell that an actual person who's been in the hobby 20 years(and therefore at least 30 years old) would just play the wrist violin with a razor over some internet drama if it truly didn't involve him.
This is essentially saying "it's easier to kill myself than to post ANY proof that I'm a real person who is not Daniel Mandelbaum".
You know who would say that? Fictional characters made by Daniel. No sane, rational person reaches that drastic a conclusion. 99.9999999% of grown ups understand how to turn off the interwebz and just ignore it.
Wow... Amazing. Is this a note from Daniel or Alan?
I would take things a bit more seriously if you weren't someone who used fake wives with cancer and fake dead children and his own mother's real death as a ploy to get away with theft.
Will add this to your list of odious stunts too Daniel. Get help, for real, get help.
I still think the fake wife with cancer thing was worse. That was just despicable. This is more just desperate. Making up a fake death threat where there was none didn't work, then he slipped up, so he had to amp it up to maximum victimization to try and deflect his mistake.
Unfortunately, all very part of the script with him.
Call the hotline Dalan, take a screenshot of the Titan mesh for me while you are on the phone if you would. If the 'harassment' (which the rest of us call protecting ourselves from a criminal that has been preying on our group since 1997) is too much a few mouse clicks would end all your troubles bud.
I've followed up on the saga of this person, first when the Resin Forge C and D post came up and then going through the consolidated post. From reading all of those and seeing "Alans" forwarded PMs and FB posts I don't see how it can be another person.
The fake wife and child cancer claim was bad, but what is really despicable here is that he is roping in Monkey Joe with this, asking him to forward on a suicide threat. That is deplorable, especially the way he worded it to really turn the knife in and cause maximum guilt.
So, I guess we should be looking for an Alan Welson obituary in local LA newspapers.
Then the retraction in the next publication after the 103 year old Alan Welson's family either say "Hey, great-grandpa is still alive" or "He died 3 years ago, why is there a new obituary which sounds nothing like him?"
Just to add on, if he was seriously to that point because of Dakka, he'd have called the police hired a lawyer to issue a C&D and actually gone legal to save himself.
It is sad that it comes to this unfortunately. I know no one here truly wants to see him harmed, but we all also want to see him receive the medical attention he needs.
So Alan/Daniel when you inevitably read this, please check yourself into a self-help program.
If this guy's in California and he just threatened to kill himself, then under California penal code 5150,
5150. (a) When any person, as a result of mental disorder, is a danger to others, or to himself or herself, or gravely disabled, a peace officer, member of the attending staff, as defined by regulation, of an evaluation facility designated by the county, or
other professional person designated by the county may, upon probable cause, take, or cause to be taken, the person into custody and place him or her in a facility designated by the county and approved by the State Department of Health Care Services as a facility for 72-hour treatment and evaluation. (b) The facility shall require an application in writing stating the circumstances under which the person's condition was called to the attention of the officer, member of the attending staff, or professional person, and stating that the officer, member of the attending staff, or professional person has probable cause to believe that the person is, as a result of mental disorder, a danger to others, or to himself or herself, or gravely disabled. If the probable cause is based on the statement of a person other than the officer, member of the attending staff, or professional person, the person shall be liable in a civil action for intentionally giving a statement which he or she knows to be false.
And if this other person is knowingly posting suicide threats in an online forum they are in violation of penal code §401,
Every person who deliberately aids, or advises, or encourages another to commit suicide, is guilty of a felony.
By not reporting the act, you are encouraging it to happen. Personally, I smell sock-puppet but meh. The antics of this certain individual and their countless incarnations never ceases to amuse. I might intentionally fall for one of his scams next time just so he has the money to continue giving me the occasional larf.
It's funny (not the ha ha kind) but in Oklahoma it's actually illegal to attempt or commit suicide, we're one of a few states with such laws. I had a friend in high school that spent time in juvenile detention for cutting her wrists.
Someone in the area should bring all the necessary information to the authorities and get him taken into custody like agnosto says. If they can't find him, well...
I would agree that someone in the LA area should bring it to the local police's attention that he has threatened on the internet that he is going to take his own life.
Out of curiosity, how common is the green cutting mat used in the BCS pictures, for the FW bit pictures? The one where the marking lines are a light blue and has the 45 degree part?
The reason I ask is its sort of interesting how the pictures on the Three Stage Studios blog use the same mat as a backdrop.
Right or Wrong I dont know BUT Im not going to share a conversation sent in private. This is MY choice and Admins can contact me here or on FB if they have something to pass or If I think something said needs to be shared. If a person is giving up because I shared something he said to me then I wont share things publicly anymore. Sorry to be the stick in the mud Gang..
No need to be sorry (as others said here, people are entitled to their opinion), but it was Daniel in his guise as Alan who came to you and asked you to share his foul-mouthed tirade against me here. That is not using private conversation, that's just Daniel messing it up.
@Self-harm threat: been there, seen it, typical Daniel-pre-disappearing strategy. Also for all others to calm down eventual worries: "Alan Welson" doesn't even have a social security number (yeah, everybody has their sources, Daniel, you angered the wrong people), so he doesn't exist, and he doesn't have a shop or anything else, and the only self-harm fictitious personae can inflict upon themselves is purely fictitious.
So congratulations for showing the whole world again what a despicable person you are, Daniel
Luckily we can always rely on your ego, Daniel. Just you severely misunderstand the resources we can by now bring against you. And that just thanks to your behaviour
Since there is some discrepancy as to where Alan Lives I have reported his Self Harm Threats to FB so he can get the proper care he needs. They are able to contact him and save him from himself. I cannot stand to think that a person would harm themselves and I would do nothing to stop it. Since Some of you think he does not live in LA as he claims and I dont know personally for sure this was the fastest way to get someone to help him and keep him from carrying out his threat of Self Harm.
Here is the Email confirmation I got from Facebook showing that they are enroute to Help out a person that has been driven to the lows. True or not, Fake person or not I cant in good conscience risk someone taking their life when I can stop it.
Thank you for your report. We will review the reported material and get back to you soon. In the meantime, if you have encountered a direct threat of suicide on Facebook, please immediately contact law enforcement.
For reports in the United States or Canada, we also recommend that you or the user who posted the content contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, a 24/7 hotline, at 1-800-273-TALK (8255).
For reports in the UK and Ireland, we recommend that you encourage the user who posted the content to contact Samaritans on 08457 909090 (UK) or 1850 609090 (ROI).
For reports in Norway, we recommend that you encourage the user who posted the content to contact Kirkens SOS: http://www.kirkens-sos.no/ or on 815 33 300.
For reports in Finland, we recommend that you encourage the person who posted the content to contact the Finnish Association for Mental Health: http://mielenterveysseura.fi/ or call 09 41350510 or 09 41350501.
For reports in the Netherlands, we recommend that you encourage the user who posted the content to contact Foundation 113Online: www.113online.nl or call 0900-113 0 113.
You also can view a list of suicide prevention hotlines in other countries by visiting: http://www.befrienders.org/ and choosing from the drop-down menu at the top of the page.
If you want to learn more about how to identify and respond to a friend you are worried about, we recommend that you visit the "Help a Friend" section at ReachOut.com: http://us.reachout.com/get-help/help-a-friend
Since there is some discrepancy as to where Alan Lives I have reported his Self Harm Threats to FB so he can get the proper care he needs. They are able to contact him and save him from himself. I cannot stand to think that a person would harm themselves and I would do nothing to stop it. Since Some of you think he does not live in LA as he claims and I dont know personally for sure this was the fastest way to get someone to help him and keep him from carrying out his threat of Self Harm.
Good thinking Tommy Facebook will now check "Alan"'s login data and inform the nearest police department. Then he can explain his problems to them while showing them his ID.
Er guys, just a thought, but has anyone actually contacted Facebook and said "we have good reason to believe that this person is not who he claims to be and is using your website to conduct criminal activities"?
The authorities may not be too interested in this scale of crime, but you can be damn sure that FB won't want to be associated with fraud or shipping of stolen goods. And they also have the legal team to dig into it...
P.s. two thumbs up to Munkey-joe, you seem to have been thrown in to the middle of a very awkward situation and have handled it like a class act, bravo sir.
So it's actually easier to commit suicide than prove your identity, or at least give a screenshot to show that you own the stuff you're trying to sell and that you're not just taking people's money for nothing.
That's quite low, though I don't know where it ranks among the made up wife and child dying from cancer, or using his dead mother's identity to sell stuff. Sigh. This drama and putting well meaning people in an awkward spot, like munkey joe, is why no one should get involved with him trying to be his spokesman or mediator.
I've seen a previous poster raise into question Munkey Joe being a sock puppet after posting the initial suicide threat. I don't doubt Joe is who he says he is, after posting a selfie and having someone from BT for the most part vouch for him (It might not hurt to get a definitive, the one post was more a "yeah, he's known here" and a post from Munkey Joe saying "Yea I go there", information which could be easily farmed and used to create a persona -devils advocate) I however believe Munkey Joe is a real person and who he says he is, and the rest of my post is based upon that.
@Daniel Mandelbaum: You are now directly causing grievous harm to another human being. You have preyed upon this persons good will and used him as a tool to further your own ends by using him in a pity/emotional based attack towards your criticizers on Dakka Dakka. This person has showed compassion towards your created persona, believing in your suicide threat, and I would be willing to bet since you sent that initial message to them they have been sickened because they feel they have been involved in potential loss of human life.
You have a vast community, not just here but on many other forums, that communicate that your actions are deplorable and you should feel ashamed. If you don't, you need to sit down and think on why you do not feel shame for what you do. There are many mental illnesses and conditions that can prevent a person from realizing what they are doing is wrong, but at some point you need to acknowledge that you need to make a change and get help.
I can understand if you feel a bit negative towards that, in the long term. I don't condone what you have done in the past in regards to bilking people with previous "business ventures", and I can only hope you get something out of what I have written and either you or someone you know seeks help. But this one time, Daniel, you need to come clean, at least to Munkey Joe, with what you have done. Causing financial damage to someone is nothing compared to causing someone to believe they have been involved in the loss of life.
piprinx wrote: I've seen a previous poster raise into question Munkey Joe being a sock puppet after posting the initial suicide threat. I don't doubt Joe is who he says he is, after posting a selfie and having someone from BT for the most part vouch for him (It might not hurt to get a definitive, the one post was more a "yeah, he's known here" and a post from Munkey Joe saying "Yea I go there", information which could be easily farmed and used to create a persona -devils advocate) I however believe Munkey Joe is a real person and who he says he is, and the rest of my post is based upon that.
Yea I go there.... Just not as often as I did before...
My username is Munkey Joe Paints..... I have a 188 user rating, And I have done trades with Porkus, Magikal Memories, and Taggerd (all are here I think??) and if thats not enough I personally know Linrandir. I texted him today as a matter of fact. BUt to be Honest it was the first time I have talked with him in about a year or so and I dont like to get him involved unless it serious. So I am a real person and Some people know me. Whether they Like me is up for debate BUT they know me...
piprinx wrote: I've seen a previous poster raise into question Munkey Joe being a sock puppet after posting the initial suicide threat. I don't doubt Joe is who he says he is, after posting a selfie and having someone from BT for the most part vouch for him (It might not hurt to get a definitive, the one post was more a "yeah, he's known here" and a post from Munkey Joe saying "Yea I go there", information which could be easily farmed and used to create a persona -devils advocate) I however believe Munkey Joe is a real person and who he says he is, and the rest of my post is based upon that.
Yea I go there.... Just not as often as I did before...
My username is Munkey Joe Paints..... I have a 188 user rating, And I have done trades with Porkus, Magikal Memories, and Taggerd (all are here I think??) and if thats not enough I personally know Linrandir. I texted him today as a matter of fact. BUt to be Honest it was the first time I have talked with him in about a year or so and I dont like to get him involved unless it serious. So I am a real person and Some people know me. Whether they Like me is up for debate BUT they know me...
Like I said, I don't really have any doubts you are who you say you are. I think it is lamentable that Daniel has chosen to use you as a tool, as you represent a fellow gamer, someone providing business services to the community with a track record (I actually might want to get into contact with you in the next month or so in regards to some of your FB posts regarding clear resin casting, as I have some LED based projects that would require that and it seems you have a degassing setup), and are also someone who has been a public servant. I believe its wrong on many levels, morally, practically, spiritually, etc that Daniel or "Alan" has used you for his own purposes while you have shown nothing but good will.
I really can't believe just how insane this all is. Supposedly this guy is pretty good at converting, sculpting, and other kinds of skilled hobby-related crap, so one really has to wonder why he would go through all the trouble of setting up one fake business after another when he could have just gone into business legitimately and started selling his work. Could it really have been that much harder?
Like I said, I don't really have any doubts you are who you say you are. I think it is lamentable that Daniel has chosen to use you as a tool, as you represent a fellow gamer, someone providing business services to the community with a track record (I actually might want to get into contact with you in the next month or so in regards to some of your FB posts regarding clear resin casting, as I have some LED based projects that would require that and it seems you have a degassing setup), and are also someone who has been a public servant. I believe its wrong on many levels, morally, practically, spiritually, etc that Daniel or "Alan" has used you for his own purposes while you have shown nothing but good will.
no worries. I have been in gaming since the late 90s and have had a very good reputation for almost 20 years in the hobby. I have nothing to hide and Actually am proud of my 100% positive feedback on BT AND ebay so I dont mind showing off.. To be Honest I feel as If I am a HUGE ally to have on your side and IF I were a scammer I would try to friend someone as myself for Legit cred. I am not saying I was scammed by Daniel or Alan, as Honestly neither have ever wronged me, but I can see the appeal and desire to have a "solid guy" in your corner.
as for a commission I will gladly talk to you about it on Fb or here via PM. not to be an ass but this isnt a good place to discuss BUT Yes I have a vacuum AND a pressure resin casting system and I get results as good as (or better than) forgeworld (which nowdays isnt that great BUT think of the old days when they had Quality control....)
1. Daniel has now been accused of scamming since 1997, twelve years before RSO! There is no reason to think he will change, even less so than before, and it was already hopeless.
2. It has been brought to my attention that this is not the first time Daniel has pulled the suicide card both in and out of character when cornered. Usually coinciding with blowing up fb pm's, message boards and emails. Basically flipping over every rock in the yard seeing if any support is left, if there are still enough people uninformed enough to be taken in.
3 Munkey Joe does exist, like many others before him Daniel is simply preying on his good morals. Like with AJ etc, just be polite to him and eventually Mandelbaum will convince him of the truth all by himself.
Anyways, probably best not to dwell on this particular drama too much. No one wants anyone to kill themselves obviously.
justinfitz wrote: Okay, so my wife corrected me: this happened during our 2000 spring break in college. That might be why I was thinking he was like 16.
I remember also that somewhere along the way Bartertown did a major site update and I kind of remember a lot of the old information either getting lost or misplaced. Otherwise you could look back to 2000 and find dozens of people who knew about Daniel back then.
I have to admit I'm a little excited to be able to perhaps use this old humorous story to finally stick it to this adult criminal.
So 2000, rather 1997. Not that scamming the community for 9 years before RSO instead of 12 is much better, but I thought it'd be worth pointing out for the sake of accuracy.
albinoork wrote: Just did a Facebook search for black crusade studio and rein forge. Both had zero results. It is just me, can someone confirm?
Well, the link for BCS is in post 1 of the thread and is working fine and last updated on the 5th. Resin Forge is the first result for me and working fine...last post still Pennywise.
justinfitz wrote: Okay, so my wife corrected me: this happened during our 2000 spring break in college. That might be why I was thinking he was like 16.
I remember also that somewhere along the way Bartertown did a major site update and I kind of remember a lot of the old information either getting lost or misplaced. Otherwise you could look back to 2000 and find dozens of people who knew about Daniel back then.
I have to admit I'm a little excited to be able to perhaps use this old humorous story to finally stick it to this adult criminal.
So 2000, rather 1997. Not that scamming the community for 9 years before RSO instead of 12 is much better, but I thought it'd be worth pointing out for the sake of accuracy.
Yup saw that, so yes, I retract and correct my previous dates as per the correction by Justin Fitz. Fair is fair. Unfortunately as you say 2000 is not exactly a game changer... sigh...
Yup saw that, so yes, I retract and correct my previous dates as per the correction by Justin Fitz. Fair is fair. Unfortunately as you say 2000 is not exactly a game changer... sigh...
We should really this time sit down and make a complete list with bullet points of what happened and links. For future reference.
I agree. The history of DM thread is a good collection, but I think we should add in the Alan Welson incident.
I feel like following the trends we're at the tail end of this scheme. Six following death threats DM sulks to the shadows for a few weeks.
Last nights explosive threat of self harm (true or not) is his escape plan and both pages will be quiet while he builds a new business.
DM has not done anything but message and harass a variety of people with this latest ploy.
Just to be clear Dalan, you haven't done a single thing to clear your name. Not. One. Solitary. Thing.
Stop whining and show the screenshot, or admit you are busted and in possession of stolen goods or that you tried to perpetuate a fraud with BCS. Nothing else will do. If you're innocent, or not Mandelbaum, then prove it. You can do so in literally dozens of ways. If you refuse to lift a finger to prove we are wrong, then what do you expect exactly? Do you think your word alone means anything to anybody? It doesn't. There isn't a person on the face of the planet who's word alone is worth less than yours.
Cough up some proof or admit what you did and who you are or just buzz off and start your new 'business' if you haven't already. No one cares about your games and bs otherwise.
aapch45 wrote: How do they get so many likes on facebook? It seems that this "business" is just a tad too shady.... how can anyone like that?!?!
I mean really?
Would it be worth adding to the Mendelthread a list of know sockpuppets (and we have to be careful as to who we say are socks ) but i mean a list of the 3 post die hard phone only dakka's and the posts on FB who defend him unto death but don't actually exist when you look for them ?
Every one of these we post and log in the ever expanding history of DM is another nail in the coffin of his ridiculous charade of "friends" there is only so many times "x" can come out and defend a new gaming studio selling dodgy dreams before we have to check any facts as to weather its DM
EDIT........
is it just me or has the picture of the titan totally gone ????
is it just me or has the picture of the titan totally gone ????
He removed them. But of course they are documented in plenty of screenhots. Standard Mandelbaum procedure to counter his usual attempts to make accusations go away by pretending he never tried to sell the titan.
You are correct they are gone. My guess is he either removed them to say that he isn't selling them or GW sent out a C&D.
Although usually they would make him remove anything he said was for sale.
He is still trying to sell them, for the record. No, I won't say who to, I'd rather him wonder which of his customers is a plant. He says he has three to sell though.
Let's not please. Let's everyone try to refrain from bouts of cleverness/joke posts. wasn't a joke, I was asking a legitimate question. I know in some states that is a law.
warhamster77 wrote:Let's not please. Let's everyone try to refrain from bouts of cleverness/joke posts.
FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:We don't need any suggestions of that sort--please refrain from making such posts in the future.
Ryan
I'm not sure what these posts contained, but I can say for certain that these posts need to stop.
They hurt our cause and give Alan/Daniel something to use to say that Dakka is personally attacking him and threatening his life.
While at times it may seem like we crack a joke or two at Daniels expense, I assure you we all take this matter very seriously.
I'm sure Tom would agree that this thread needs to get back on topic, and in the last few days there have been no new public updates to BCS or Alan's page since the suicide threats the other day, but there were confirmations that he was messaging individuals privately after that night.
This isn't a game, and no matter how disgusting and transparent a ploy is or who it is from, that is absolutely no justification to mock or disrespect the topic of the ploy, especially one as serious as suicide.
I expect the failure of his most recent outbursts to garner any real controversy or chatter will/has resulted in his abandoning of the alias and moving on to the next business/identity.
Keep your eyes peeled guys, for any FB page that seeks to do business via PM only, is selling FW bits and featuring conversions. Also worth keeping an eye out for pages or individuals with no history suddenly joining and posting in every 40k group under the sun, and places with 500+ likes in less than 6 weeks.
As long as you make it a policy to see a business number, or otherwise confirm where you are buying from, you, and the people you buy from, everything should be A-OK. It isn't hard to find out if who you are dealing with is even half-way legitimate. It is very, very difficult however, to live in 2013 with absolutely no online track-record or any verifiable facts behind you.
Aerethan wrote: Eventually Daniel will end up crossing someone who has just as much time on their hands as he does, and it won't go well for him.
He's just not that smart. He runs more or less the same scam every time(selling items he doesn't have or cannot get and then not delivering) and he uses the same excuses over and over. He's a one trick pony, if that pony had the IQ of cheese.
He'll fade away again for a month or two and then pop up under some stupid new name. He uses names like apartment complexes do, recycling the same few buzzwords that all convey the same thing.
Instead of using "Ridge, Vista, Wood, etc" like apartments, he does generic sci fi game sounding things: Resin, Studio, Forge, Wargame etc.
At this point, ANY new FB page, website, or "commission for hire" that pops up and doesn't have a verifiable name, face, location attached to it I'd just assume is Daniel.
Red flags:
No personal picture of the owner
No name of said person that can be verified with a cursory google search
ANY models posted in the VERY unique nature of Daniels conversions. It's the saddest part of this story, he's quite good at kitbashes and GS work, but then he wastes that talent by being him.
I'm surprised he moved on so quickly from Resin Forge, after how embarrassing that debacle was for him and Stephanie. It takes a true kind of ignorance and tunnel vision to come out the other side of that thinking nothing happened.
Dayum, that mean when I make my fb page for M-a-M I'll have to put a pic of me of my ugly mush up.. a sure way to lose custom
What gets me is though, previously Daniel has run a business that has gotten out of hand and THEN started with all the aliases and th all the gak , the stories etc when he couldnt cope with orders etc or wanted to boos his customer base (as in the fulgrim debacle). This time he has gone out and used something that he knew wasnt his (the plans) which makes this time premeditated, thats surely something more to worry over.
You're assuming that it wasn't pre-meditated the other times as well. There is something to be said for garnering good will first, otherwise you can't run for the hills with as much cash as you can.
You may of heard of a little something called a Ponzi Scheme. There's not much point to pull it off until you've got the pay-off primed, and nothing does that better than goodwill and growing your business.
Here you go guys, an example of fishy, fishy stuff on FB. Suddenly popped up Saturday too... Again been in business for years but has no track record, again no info to go off of, again a bunch of pics of other peoples stuff, at least partially. FW will like to know that this site is using their pics I am sure.
Considering his apparent "plan" with the Warhound Titan can't have been much more than a quick moneygrab, why not try it with seriously-underpriced recasts (which mayeasily not exist, as all pictures are stolen from ebay and other sites)? He could be desperate enough.
Wasn't that actually something original rather than recasting? Anyway, I said 'not much', I'm aware he has done a bit of casting work but usually it's just for the benefit of a few to make it look like there's a product, to pull many more people into a scam. He doesn't make a business out of casting stuff, the issue time and again is that he doesn't deliver product.
I like all the comments on the "not finecast" store are just saying how great the products are and how cheap they are... all left anonymously of course
Again, just to point out, I am not saying this is Mandelbaum, nor do I currently have any evidence it is. Just the suspicious timing really in that dept.
I did bring it up, after a very kind member of the community pointed it out to me, because this is exactly the kind of stuff we should all be watching out for. It does fit the Mandelmould in terms of lack of info and accountability and the helter-skeleter nature of offerings, including stuff obviously nicked from other sources.
- Get concrete info on the seller.
- Don't buy on Facebook, not without paypal, and do not under any circumstances let your 45 days run out if you don't have stuff in hand.
- If something is too good to be true, like three 300 dollar titans that cost more like $2200 base cost to 3D print (the stated way they are being fabricated), then DON'T bite. No one is out to give 1800 bucks to strangers on the net. Not in the form of Titans anyways.
- If you ask for info, and you get absolutely note, even the most basic, easy to answer stuff, then DON'T bite.
At this time there isn't enough evidence to link notfailcast to Daniel. If it is him though this scam is on a different level than previously. This one is managing a full webstore selling recaster products. While Daniel is no stranger to recasting, this scheme is different from the rest.
Funny enough there are anonymous reviews but the store isn't open for shopping so how did someone order and receive the product to leave a review?
Further investigating is required on this one. I have however already notified GW legal to get them passing the website to their lawyers.
Mandelbaum = Narcisist
Thinks he is smarter than everyone and when proven he is not, gets terribly frustrated.
The spelling mistakes are a common trait: they cant be bothered to attend to the details: you do not mean enough to them.
They try to distract and say outrageous things to shock and hope to at least temporarily get his way.
Spoiled 6yr child motivation with a grown-up's knowledge.
We are just objects to him, very little empathy, genuinely confused why we do not shower him with money due to his greatness.
These postings do feed the troll, he is probably tickled pink that all these people he got their attention (when it is really the fine writing of the members): narcissistic supply.
As said, necessary evil to protect others from his scams.
He will think of those he scams that they deserve it because they are stupid and he is doing a "public service" making us paranoid and cynical.
I have a strong dislike for narcissists, I was raised by one.
I know how they tick (pretty easy really, it is all about them).
You really do not need to show ANY restraint with this person other than what is needed to follow the law and what you can handle on your conscience.
It may be worth some time to make him my "other hobby" to see what can be found out with his current adventures, looks like others have.
Just to justify his claims can we get matching rings and a secret handshake?
spotted that site this morning, and have liked the page in order to see what goes on there, as it raised the red flags here as well.
i wasnt planin to mention anything here about it yet, just in case it is linked to DM, but was going to pm MT about it.
The re-caster's web site is way too professional compared to anything Mandlebaum has done. I'm thinking you stumbled upon one of those Chinese entrepreneur types who pop up now and again.
Aerethan wrote: The personal profile for it shows Athens Greece as the location, and there have been Greek recasters on Ebay for years now.
Well I thought I would weigh in with a little bit of personal info about Daniel. As some know I have talked with Daniel. Not as of late but I have actually talked on a Phone to him. I hooked up with him around the time his Three stage studios business was starting to fail. Here is some Facts I have about him
His sculpting is good BUT his casting is gak. I DID give him tips and such and was in the talks about working with him as a partner as I can cast. Not to brag but I think Im pretty good. Anyway His casting is not up to par (or wasn't) with bitz companies, but more on par with Garage casting. Low end Casting NOT Shawn Nagle Garage casting. That is how I got into contact with him in the first place, to take his casting to the "pro" level and help catch him up on back orders.
I ALSO went to bat for him About the Knight titan Fiasco. Ironcally I KNOW Enrique and have done Business with him before enough to Be trusted by him. He contacted me about the recasting of his product and I served as mediator to get over this. This was a Spanish kit owned by Enrique, supposedly being supplied by some British caster who was never named, and then sent to Daniel to sell. this was nipped pretty quick and All I did was accommodate communication with Daniel and Enrique.
I started communication with Daniel to Re produce the Truescale Termies and to develop some terrain and models to start my shop. After some back and forth communication I set up a face to face meeting with a trusted friend in Dallas which he did not show for and shortly after I lost contact and have yet to hear from him. I still have my True scale designs for this project and have not done anyting with them because of the stigma. My loss to protect my good name.
I was briefly pointed here by a personal friend (pinkymaster on here??) when the Resin forge fiasco started, and I gave all the info I had on Daniel to the proper sources . I had contact info and a address and nothing but decent talks with him to provide as again I was never scammed.
Now with this I was asked about casting terrain by Alan. I of course offered my help as I do with most anyone who will ask. I gave him tips on how to make good casts and troubleshot some issues he had. I did not have much time to plan or discuss things before this titan thing took over the discussions.
NOW I have a Vacuum and pressure casting system, and I get professional results. I have been casting for close to 10 years now and I invested time and money into my hobby as I like doing it. Resin casting is a hobby BUT its not for the faint of heart. its a lot to learn and can get pretty expensive. I will not go into details here but You can spend LOTS of cash into it. I have doubts about Daniel casting things as he always wanted me to cast because I knew how. Not saying he cant learn But I dont think he is casting. NOW this is pretty much my dealings with everyone involved with this and I will discuss my knowledge and experience with anyone here. Ask whatever you want about whatever and I'll likely chat, but know that casting is not just something you can pick up overnight and not something cheap.
Munkey Joe, is it not reasonable to assume you were not the only one he was talking to on the casting front though?
He has tried to shill re-casting before, this we know. It is not usually a main thrust of his businesses though, at least not a few of them.
Regardless, this is all a bit besides the point, as no one is saying that notfailcast is Mandelbaum at this time, only a few coincidental dates etc thus far. We are saying it looks bloody sketchy regardless though lol.
munkey joe wrote: Well I thought I would weigh in with a little bit of personal info about Daniel. As some know I have talked with Daniel. Not as of late but I have actually talked on a Phone to him. I hooked up with him around the time his Three stage studios business was starting to fail. Here is some Facts I have about him
His sculpting is good BUT his casting is gak. I DID give him tips and such and was in the talks about working with him as a partner as I can cast. Not to brag but I think Im pretty good. Anyway His casting is not up to par (or wasn't) with bitz companies, but more on par with Garage casting. Low end Casting NOT Shawn Nagle Garage casting. That is how I got into contact with him in the first place, to take his casting to the "pro" level and help catch him up on back orders.
I ALSO went to bat for him About the Knight titan Fiasco. Ironcally I KNOW Enrique and have done Business with him before enough to Be trusted by him. He contacted me about the recasting of his product and I served as mediator to get over this. This was a Spanish kit owned by Enrique, supposedly being supplied by some British caster who was never named, and then sent to Daniel to sell. this was nipped pretty quick and All I did was accommodate communication with Daniel and Enrique.
I started communication with Daniel to Re produce the Truescale Termies and to develop some terrain and models to start my shop. After some back and forth communication I set up a face to face meeting with a trusted friend in Dallas which he did not show for and shortly after I lost contact and have yet to hear from him. I still have my True scale designs for this project and have not done anyting with them because of the stigma. My loss to protect my good name.
I was briefly pointed here by a personal friend (pinkymaster on here??) when the Resin forge fiasco started, and I gave all the info I had on Daniel to the proper sources . I had contact info and a address and nothing but decent talks with him to provide as again I was never scammed.
Now with this I was asked about casting terrain by Alan. I of course offered my help as I do with most anyone who will ask. I gave him tips on how to make good casts and troubleshot some issues he had. I did not have much time to plan or discuss things before this titan thing took over the discussions.
NOW I have a Vacuum and pressure casting system, and I get professional results. I have been casting for close to 10 years now and I invested time and money into my hobby as I like doing it. Resin casting is a hobby BUT its not for the faint of heart. its a lot to learn and can get pretty expensive. I will not go into details here but You can spend LOTS of cash into it. I have doubts about Daniel casting things as he always wanted me to cast because I knew how. Not saying he cant learn But I dont think he is casting. NOW this is pretty much my dealings with everyone involved with this and I will discuss my knowledge and experience with anyone here. Ask whatever you want about whatever and I'll likely chat, but know that casting is not just something you can pick up overnight and not something cheap.
Thanks for the background info MJ!
You should of seen the look on "Michael's"(Daniel's father) when I showed up one day. I could only imagine Daniel's look.
He wouldn't come out and talk for some reason?
MajorTom11 wrote: Munkey Joe, is it not reasonable to assume you were not the only one he was talking to on the casting front though? .
Oh its quite possible. Although the wargame community is Large and small at the same time the Casting community is similar but alot less people. ESP people with quality rigs and casts. Its not impossible to assume someone is learning to cast and cutting their teeth on recasting. Its not like its unheard of....
And Rick... i can only imagine. I had an incident when someone I did not know recognised me in Galax VA during my move. not only was I taken aback but my Wife was completely floored. She had a significant other who wargamed and watched my videos and such so she recognized me and my voice.... creepy and flattering all in one!!
munkey joe wrote: Well I thought I would weigh in with a little bit of personal info about Daniel. As some know I have talked with Daniel. Not as of late but I have actually talked on a Phone to him. I hooked up with him around the time his Three stage studios business was starting to fail. Here is some Facts I have about him
His sculpting is good BUT his casting is gak. I DID give him tips and such and was in the talks about working with him as a partner as I can cast. Not to brag but I think Im pretty good. Anyway His casting is not up to par (or wasn't) with bitz companies, but more on par with Garage casting. Low end Casting NOT Shawn Nagle Garage casting. That is how I got into contact with him in the first place, to take his casting to the "pro" level and help catch him up on back orders.
I ALSO went to bat for him About the Knight titan Fiasco. Ironcally I KNOW Enrique and have done Business with him before enough to Be trusted by him. He contacted me about the recasting of his product and I served as mediator to get over this. This was a Spanish kit owned by Enrique, supposedly being supplied by some British caster who was never named, and then sent to Daniel to sell. this was nipped pretty quick and All I did was accommodate communication with Daniel and Enrique.
I started communication with Daniel to Re produce the Truescale Termies and to develop some terrain and models to start my shop. After some back and forth communication I set up a face to face meeting with a trusted friend in Dallas which he did not show for and shortly after I lost contact and have yet to hear from him. I still have my True scale designs for this project and have not done anyting with them because of the stigma. My loss to protect my good name.
I was briefly pointed here by a personal friend (pinkymaster on here??) when the Resin forge fiasco started, and I gave all the info I had on Daniel to the proper sources . I had contact info and a address and nothing but decent talks with him to provide as again I was never scammed.
Now with this I was asked about casting terrain by Alan. I of course offered my help as I do with most anyone who will ask. I gave him tips on how to make good casts and troubleshot some issues he had. I did not have much time to plan or discuss things before this titan thing took over the discussions.
NOW I have a Vacuum and pressure casting system, and I get professional results. I have been casting for close to 10 years now and I invested time and money into my hobby as I like doing it. Resin casting is a hobby BUT its not for the faint of heart. its a lot to learn and can get pretty expensive. I will not go into details here but You can spend LOTS of cash into it. I have doubts about Daniel casting things as he always wanted me to cast because I knew how. Not saying he cant learn But I dont think he is casting. NOW this is pretty much my dealings with everyone involved with this and I will discuss my knowledge and experience with anyone here. Ask whatever you want about whatever and I'll likely chat, but know that casting is not just something you can pick up overnight and not something cheap.
My apologies upfront if you already addressed this.
As far as I remember you normally refer to Alan as Alan not Daniel, did he admit to you via PM that he is in fact Daniel Mandelbaum? If so when and under what circumstances? As I understand it Alan had not admitted to being Daniel or slipped up yet. Again, I apologize if you already covered this.
As far as I remember you normally refer to Alan as Alan not Daniel, did he admit to you via PM that he is in fact Daniel Mandelbaum? If so when and under what circumstances? As I understand it Alan had not admitted to being Daniel or slipped up yet. Again, I apologize if you already covered this.
No I refer to Daniel as Daniel and Alan as Alan as I have no proof they are the same person. Admittedly with people referring to them as the same person and interchangeably It get confusing BUT I have not talked to Daniel in about a year and have only talked to Alan for about a month.
Notfailcast to all purposes and knowledge as of now is greek recaster. Not Mandelbaum. Unless he bought up the former homepage (Rakalnar), which does not seem terribly probable. Apparently they already sell casts since before (possibly the self-claimed 2011?), just under different names. For example "Rakalnar" (now apparently defunct). Raklanar also seems to have been the main ebay account via which the "merchandise" was sold. High user ratings would suggest it is/ was not a scam, "just" counterfeiting.
Notfailcast has already had a few posters asking how there alble to sell FW kits, and do they have permission to recast GW kits (i laughed at that question), and so far no responce from notfailcast.
But i cant see this as a another DM scam, but a scam by a 3rd party with no connection to his nibs
Also looking at the pics of some of the Vechial parts, the casts look realy rough
fynn wrote: Notfailcast has already had a few posters asking how there alble to sell FW kits, and do they have permission to recast GW kits (i laughed at that question), and so far no responce from notfailcast.
But i cant see this as a another DM scam, but a scam by a 3rd party with no connection to his nibs
That almost proves it.
Were it Daniel, all of those comments would have been deleted by now.
fynn wrote: Notfailcast has already had a few posters asking how there alble to sell FW kits, and do they have permission to recast GW kits (i laughed at that question), and so far no responce from notfailcast.
But i cant see this as a another DM scam, but a scam by a 3rd party with no connection to his nibs
That almost proves it.
Were it Daniel, all of those comments would have been deleted by now.
Guys, as was mentioned with the very first post about NOTfailcast, we do not think it is Mandelbaum. It was simply an example of the type of FB page to watch out for. Let's please move on from discussing that page in this thread and stick to BCS please.
Personally the "silently steal away" approach after being found out seems very odd for DM. He normally likes to go down in a blaze of whining and whiteknight glory. This new approach of just vanishing is a little disconcerting.
doc1234 wrote: Personally the "silently steal away" approach after being found out seems very odd for DM. He normally likes to go down in a blaze of whining and whiteknight glory. This new approach of just vanishing is a little disconcerting.
I think it mostly has to do with the speed in which he was caught this time. With Resin Forge, he had about 7-8 months to feign legitimacy before we caught on, so he likely felt his time invested was worth trying to salvage. This time, he had BCS up for about 2-3 weeks before the lid blew off.
Also, I think he learned from the RF incident that trying to escalate things to the big boy leagues won't work out well for him. I made it quite clear last round that if he harassed me or my office again that I'd be going to Dallas personally to file criminal charges, as would my company which already has a presence in Texas.
Rule #1 MT11. He tried bearing teeth last time and it backfired gloriously. Now he'll just slink away and be pathetic in the shadows for a while until his little peanut brain forgets this ever happened and he tries it again, because apparently experience counts for naught with him.
RF went down in a storm of swearing, deleted posts, weird videos and a mountain of evidence that they were bold-faced lying the whole way through. There were accusations that 'we' made death-threats with no proof given as one of the final attempts to cast himself as the victim.
With BCS, pretty much the same thing, with less public evidence though admittedly, this time, substitute an insane video of his girlfriend in a mask with threats of suicide. Again, all in the service of being the victim and distracting from the fact he was unable to provide a single shred of evidence, not one tiny bit, that he was not committing fraud.
Theres already a few posts on that page (notfailcast), includeing a few openly saying its DM.
But seeing as no posts have been deleted yet (or at least in the past 12 hours or so) its probaly someone else trying it on to make a quick buck.
So i do surgest that anyone here DONT post over there saying it is DM, as its now a good chance its not him (for a change)
Just thinking out loud, but on top of the history of DM that already exists, might it be sensible to have an ongoing "Scams to look out for" thread? Something updated with the ongoing minor ones that pop up, perhaps keep a brief list/history in the OP, change the name as new/bigger ones pop up, etc?
A thread per scam seems like it could be its own subforum practically, but for raw visibility, an ongoing FYI to the community thread might be helpful while condensing info, and having it all in one place might be useful for spotting patterns such as those left by Daniel himself.
It'd also be a place to separate the wheat (bigger scams, individuals with a long rap sheet, such as the endeavors DM seems to generate) from the chaff (the lower scale/apparently less serious stuff like some recaster popping up here and there).
I might be worth to put together a strong "how to avoid scams" style informative thread. Whilst it wouldn't want nor need to go into how to bust/find out more info it could at the very least cover the basic protections people can take to ensure that they don't get scammed and to prevent/limit the potential damage by showing good payment methods etc...
Many of these might seem like simple skills or aspects, but with international trade and with new people to the net and th world of online life every day there's a wealth of new people for whom many of these things won't be basic steps.
Edit - as for the quick loss of DM on this recent scam I suspect that Resinforge left a stronger bitter taste in his mouth or/and those who are supporting him. During the Resin Forge incident many personal websites and details about DM and his partner (in business at the very least) were uncovered and I suspect that whilst those were removed there is a desire not to have that avenue re-opened (chances are they might have been remade by now).
That and the quick nature in which it this scam was identified have likely combined to create a situation where its just not worth it to even try and string things out.
Something to think about but that would need to be discussed with the team first.
To be honest, as much sense as it makes, at the same time it is not Dakka's responsibility to police the community... that would not be neccesary if everything went well of course. But imagine if you would if the thread were regularly filled with false info or baseless accusations... we would have to keep an eye on all that, which is a massive amount of work and frankly pretty draining if you see what I'm saying?
Mandelbaum is a particularly pestilent blight on the community, and I think he is more of an exception because of it as opposed to condoning 'going after' every suspicious site. I am just speaking for myself here, but that would be my feeling on the matter generally speaking.
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