The issue isn't 100% wrapped up. It appears, however, that there's another scam of sort going on with a Facebook Page called Black Crusade Studio ( https://www.facebook.com/pages/Black-Crusade-Studio/481959581882223 ) attempting to sell 3D Printed copies of a (not-)Warhound Titan originally created (it seems) as a one-off by Big Bad Models.
The latter responded with the following video
I can't really tell you what's going on. I still would advise anyone against "buying" a Titan from Black Crusade Studio (or, in fact, buy anything through Facebook-private-messages).
The alleged scammer keeps claiming to want to contact the owner of the file while deleting every post where the file owners contact details are offered up, and banning the poster.
It's screaming dodgy.
It's actually screaming "hey, my models look the same as the ones of somebody who we know really well from shady business and my spelling and general behaviour is very similar to that somebody's". Also this "studio" doesn't publish its address and refuses to show proof that it actually is in possession of the 3D files as it claims. The studio suddenly also claims that they were "scammed" by the people with the 3D files - how can you be scammed with a 3D file if you didn't buy an actual model? The studio claims they were supposed to act as middlemen between clients (which they refuse to name and who gave them the 3D files) and a 3D printing company (which they also refuse to name).
Not to mention the dumping price of around 280 US dollars for a full scale 3D printed Titan in the loyalty and decoration of your choice. Seemed very, very legit
Did I already mention that Black Crusade Studio also had an introduction thread on Warseer (deleted now, you can find it by google) and has an account there yet claims to be unable to contact the real creator on youtube or on Warseer itself? My poor head is ringing with deja-vues
This "person" who runs the "studio" also just HAD TO contact the Lexicanum to promote their work some weeks ago. Must have felt very clever back then.
Probably doesn't think anymore it was a super-smart move just to self-confirm to show off how superior he can feel by playing a new persona - after I reported his Titan offers to the actual makers triggering the video response.
P.S.:
The question is, is Inquisitor S. already banned?
Me banned from his Facebook page? Not yet. Emphasis on "yet".
But one of my regulars was insta-banned to ask how Kim and the kids are doing. ^^
Besides this obviously terrible plaigarism and scamming with the Titan, let's look at the overall -
If you scroll down further you will see FW bits, and FW conversions. Only for sale via PM on FB... sound familiar?
The style of conversions is extremely familiar... note the little brown rivets and basing materials in particular.
Similar 'pre order hype' with previous titan and/or FW show only models there is no right to distribute or way to order. Selling other peoples stuff pre-order with no connection to the goods in short.
Same type of conversion lead generation via posts. Same sudden jump in page likes (mysteriously high and sudden)
Same type of image tagging on high traffic wargaming pages to generate free likes / traffic.
Supposedly located in LA and working in the community, but phone calls to various LA establishments yield no connection. Haven't heard of him. Until the FB page.
Banning of FB users asking questions. Saying he is doing everything he can while erasing the tools and info needed to do it. Saying he 'needs to get in touch' with the individual who actually made and owns the work, without admitting that he lied when he said it was him.
Draw your own conclusions, but, whether it is who it very likely is or not, this person is bad news. I invite everyone to alert FB to a scam being run out of their site.
This was spam, please refrain from being humorous if you have nothing to actually add. This goes for everyone btw. I know it is easy to get worked up at the prospect of a certain... person... at it again but the rules apply, keep it on topic, keep it serious please.
MajorTom11 wrote: Besides this obviously terrible plaigarism and scamming with the Titan, let's look at the overall -
If you scroll down further you will see FW bits, and FW conversions. Only for sale via PM on FB... sound familiar?
The style of conversions is extremely familiar... note the little brown rivets and basing materials in particular.
Yeah, I was going through both RF and BCS photos to find similarities... none immediately jumped out, but the basing is similar as are the legs of the walkers on both pages.
Printing that thing in photo-resin would have a price tag on it that would burn your face off Lost Ark style. Printing powder would be a big gross sandpapery mess.
It's complete BS. The point is, it isn't his to sell, therefore he is taking cash under false pretenses, hence, fraud. The guy who actually made it should call FB and the local authorities immediately.
MajorTom11 wrote: Printing that thing in photo-resin would have a price tag on it that would burn your face off Lost Ark style. Printing powder would be a big gross sandpapery mess.
It's complete BS. The point is, it isn't his to sell, therefore he is taking cash under false pretenses, hence, fraud. The guy who actually made it should call FB and the local authorities immediately.
addendum, there is a 'This is my IP' button specifically on the page pulldown to the right of any page, if anyone can contact the owner of the work I suggest they use it.
Kroothawk wrote: Limited 3d print? Why? Is the file worn out after 25 prints or is the scam/IP breach uncovered by then?
Valid point. How do they lose a very important 3D file (any legit business would have a back up in case of corruption, etc)? Also, how is it at all economical to run a 3D production line? Not only does it make an incredibly slow, expensive process, but I imagine that the plastic of 3D printers makes for horrible modelling and painting.
addendum, there is a 'This is my IP' button specifically on the page pulldown to the right of any page, if anyone can contact the owner of the work I suggest they use it.
The owner was contacted yesterday. I'll make sure he has seen the IP button now.
"I don't need troll posts, someone simply contact him and have him contact me or someone give me a way to reach him via email, not youtube. I want to get to the bottom of this and if that means jumping all over my client including releasing his info, I will."
Calling questions he doesn't like trolls, and deleting the comments. Trying to appear concerned but also leaving himself a convenient out. Seems familiar.
I also did some digging while reporting things back to majortom and I found and contacted the admin account for the page. All my messages have been ignored by them, but they have answered a few friends who asked about the titans.
From my own personal experience with DM/Resinforge, the pattern of behaviour is identical. He denies denies And denies the blame, but gets angry at constant suggestions if how to take care of the problem, and then explodes on people.
Now looking into this account.
The admin named account is Alan Welson, who joined Facebook on August 4, 2013. Black crusade painting was created August 5, 2013 but was apparently founded in 2012.
The page claims the models are a clients models they want to sell to redo their army with the new Black legion supplement, but they're also the only pictures on the Alan Welson page who is not a client but the admin.
He also did what they always do. He added some high power painters which gains free publicity and friend requests from others.
As Tom said there are no ties to him in LA that can be found. But when I was consulting "Kim" she would tell me how she lived in LA and not Texas. So that puts a DM alias in California.
But my local contacts who were interested in purchasing the titan have informed me that they were led to believe that the company is actually based in Dallas/fort worth.
Other than speculation, at this time there is no proof of that though. But we do have a DM alias in California.
He continues to remove Facebook posts by others who question the legitimacy of his business but not his angry lash backs at those people. Which is a typical DM move l.
Ill keep my eyes on the page to see if anything new crops up.
Oh and a final though, at work your banned from YouTube and warseer but Facebook is accessible? And who doesn't have a smart phone that can get at least very basic information from YouTube and Internet forums. This is another DM move to have a third party mediate and take blame for him.
Kroothawk wrote: Limited 3d print? Why? Is the file worn out after 25 prints or is the scam/IP breach uncovered by then?
Valid point. How do they lose a very important 3D file (any legit business would have a back up in case of corruption, etc)? Also, how is it at all economical to run a 3D production line? Not only does it make an incredibly slow, expensive process, but I imagine that the plastic of 3D printers makes for horrible modelling and painting.
im sure the dakka ninjas will soon be blamed for hacking his computer and removing the files !
Aj, thanks for the update/recap, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that DM would try for a quick cash grab, but this just seemed so obvious, like why would someone even try that?
He also did what they always do. He added some high power painters which gains free publicity and friend requests from others.
Yes, "Alan Welson" is the admin "person" behind BCS - nothing happening on his page apart from BCS reposts in any case.
Another parallel: Black Crusade Studio(s) (both spelling variants liberally used)/ Alan Welson tried to hire painters (seen that one before) and 3D modellers (new).
And when "Welson" established his page he dropped pretty much out of the blue how his business was American and therefore UK laws didn't apply to him when I said every business needs an address to be accepted as legit - without me even talking about laws let alone country differences. First slip-up
EDIT: EU laws, not UK laws.
Alan Welson
Ive been a huge fan of yours and started a conversion Fb page. I deleted it to change the name and this one is the one that will stick around. Id love your opinion on my work.
August 4 LEXICANUM
Looks more like a conversion shop than a pure conversion project.
August 4 Alan Welson
That's because it's both.
August 4 LEXICANUM
If it's a commercial project you will need a bit more info than just the statement that you operate out of Long Beach, CA. You know, transüarency and such.
That's supposed to spell "transparency", obviously.
August 4 Alan Welson
Oh I know, clients have my address. And for the last few years ive done this locally in various FLGs What would you recommend? Please keep in mind laws in the US and EU are very different.
Agreed S. By hiring a paint staff and 3d printers you create a false sense of stability and legitimacy. Making people feel more comfortable with spending money with them.
By hiring the 3d designers you show "yes we desugn things and cast them to sell" and now at this mount he is hiring a staff who he can hide behind.
Another thought, sharing that titan to over 500 miniature fans should have gathered more than 20 likes.
As well as what miniature studio has absolutely no presence on forums in this hobby?
They have no past work and are not an active member in any community.
Also this is ridiculous. A Facebook only company that won't post prices on the actual page to 3d print a model like that made custom to a specific legion for less than recasters of Titans can manage? I know there are suckers born every minute but man I hope this didn't pull any in.
Commutative likes I believe is less than 100. Each one has about 12-20 likes and only two photos have any comments.
Just counted it's 90 likes on 4 photos. The one with the most likes Is the one that reported it As. Scam and he argued with people in the comments.
Thanks for continuing to be vigilant, guys. It's a shame that we have to be, but it's that day and age! Good to see hobbyists watching out for each other and nipping things like this in the bud
Paul Waumsley
Been speaking to Alan from Black Crusade Studio, he's horrified that this is someone design as he was sold it by another individual. He seriously wishes to talk to the original designer so he can straighten out this whole mess. Sadly he is being witch-hunted without being able to have his say or apologize to the original designer. Looking at this I think both designers are the victims & a Dick Dasterly has made some money on the side. If anyone could put Alan in touch with the original owner I'm sure he would be greatful.
Wonder where he always manages to find his defenders. A inexhaustible supply it seems. And always cannon fodder to send forward instead of coming himself. Count that as another parallel.
Lol at that quote Inquisitor S. As if the original designer is hard to find. He made a video denouncing the copying of his work, and posts frequently on Warseer- he has been posting regarding this very issue when it was discovered.
Contacting the original designer is as easy as signing up for YouTube or Warseer and sending him a message.
To be fair guys, THIS time, it might simply just a big old misunderstanding and this guy might have nothing at all to do with Mandelbaum.
Maybe it's not Mandelbaum. But certainly the pics used for the advertisement were ripped straight out of somebody's account and passed as Black Crusade Studio's. And now claiming that they paid money for 3D plans they did never test? Yeah, absolutely legit
Inquisitor S. wrote: Maybe it's not Mandelbaum. But certainly the pics used for the advertisement were ripped straight out of somebody's account and passed as Black Crusade Studio's. And now claiming that they paid money for 3D plans they did never test? Yeah, absolutely legit
This is the point, really. It doesn't even much matter who is behind it (although there are some Really obvious indications!). They stole pics of someone's model, and were passing it off as their own. That is almost the very definition of "scam"!
This is the point, really. It doesn't even much matter who is behind it (although there are some Really obvious indications!). They stole pics of someone's model, and were passing it off as their own. That is almost the very definition of "scam"!
Yes, that is the reason that when we passed out the warning we did not include any allusions to RF or Mandelbaum etc. That is just speculation for now, the fact that somebody sells something that a) doesn't exist or b) has been stolen is the main message.
This is the point, really. It doesn't even much matter who is behind it (although there are some Really Stinkin' Obvious indications!). They stole pics of someone's model, and were passing it off as their own. That is almost the very definition of "scam"!
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And.. (to join in the others).. HIGHLY identical style of behaviour..
Almost like there was a "Scammers Manual" or some such..
Side note, while not particularly damning, Alan "Welson" happens to be fb friends with AJ Thornton who was the "PR" guy brought in by Resin Forge to try and keep that ship from sinking.
Also, there is no record of any person named Alan Welson in California other than a 68 year old man from Hesperia(nowhere near LA).
Certainly none of the local shops have heard of such a person or Black Crusade Studios. Both accounts showed up August 4th on FB.
In this day and age, practically no one who plays warhammer is just now making a FB page.
So if all goes to the usual schedule, we're probably looking at two weeks of denial and attempts to salvage something, followed by a mysterious new company arising in the next couple of months.
Aerethan wrote: Side note, while not particularly damning, Alan "Welson" happens to be fb friends with AJ Thornton who was the "PR" guy brought in by Resin Forge to try and keep that ship from sinking.
Also, there is no record of any person named Alan Welson in California other than a 68 year old man from Hesperia(nowhere near LA).
Certainly none of the local shops have heard of such a person or Black Crusade Studios. Both accounts showed up August 4th on FB.
In this day and age, practically no one who plays warhammer is just now making a FB page.
I just like to add my say here. I added Alan to dig into the profile and link to BCS. But I think due to my involvement in the final days of resin forge and some info I shared to Tom that led to the final closing, if it is DM,
I'm being kept out of the loop and my messages are being ignored.
I've even made a few hard offers to purchase items with no response, so for a business wanting to make money, they certainly don't want to sell to me.
Aerethan wrote: Side note, while not particularly damning, Alan "Welson" happens to be fb friends with AJ Thornton who was the "PR" guy brought in by Resin Forge to try and keep that ship from sinking.
Also, there is no record of any person named Alan Welson in California other than a 68 year old man from Hesperia(nowhere near LA).
Certainly none of the local shops have heard of such a person or Black Crusade Studios. Both accounts showed up August 4th on FB.
In this day and age, practically no one who plays warhammer is just now making a FB page.
I just like to add my say here. I added Alan to dig into the profile and link to BCS. But I think due to my involvement in the final days of resin forge and some info I shared to Tom that led to the final closing, if it is DM,
I'm being kept out of the loop and my messages are being ignored.
I've even made a few hard offers to purchase items with no response, so for a business wanting to make money, they certainly don't want to sell to me.
Right, sorry. I forgot what your username was here. Apologies for the presumption.
Further, the only "Alan" linked to UCLA is an Allen Wilson, who is a professor of electrical engineering.
Must be a lot of money in 40k scams if he's back again so soon... either that or he has no employability.
Tbh if I were to speculate to try something so obvious so shortly after setting up page and rushing so through with it for me looks more like urgent need of money for something. Especially with the issue of collecting the pre-order money beforehand and quite aggressively marketing a very short window of "opportunity". But it doesn't really matter.
I am trying to establish contact with one of the people who knows somebody who apparently paid money to see what name the paypal is running on this time.
so from the start date of 27th july to 3rd aug he had 0 likes then from the 3rd to the 10th it went upto 156 (posted pics of the iron warrior) .from the 8th to the 19th it went down to 50( was running a win a conversion competition as well ?) then the 19th to the 25th it jumped up to 312( due to the titan being posted up) then on the 26th up to 529 !(due to us !lol)
now I know established business that don't have that many likes . now im not saying they were all purchased but ....
I just want to say "wow" to the guys who remain ever-vigilant against these sorts. Whether it is one we know already (no names), or somebody new who doesn't seem on the level, the effort you guys put forth is amazing. I think I speak for the community when I say "thanks".
I pointed out earlier that the quick number of likes as well. But it really is obvious they're bought with the amount of comments and likes the posts on the page gets.
I'll bet a good chunk it is Daniel Mandelbaum at this point, as usual he is going through his exact playbook, right down to the 'unable to resolve because it's a witchhunt!' and talking through probably unwitting puppets. This, combined with the conversions, the scamming pre-order thievery, the sudden appearance right after Resin Forge folded, all of it.
It's just my opinion mind you... at this time anyways... you better believe there are dozens of people looking into this intensely right now. And before it pops up on that FB page that this was a threat, it wasn't. As always Daniel, the only people we want you to deal with directly is the proper law-enforcement authorities.
When and if concrete proof comes up, rest assured it will be given as per usual. In the meantime, on the off chance I am wrong about it, who cares, this person is still scamming the community and committing theft so I'll consider it time well spent.
Guys, so many people were on the look-out and being vigilant about this, I am so very proud of them, they know who they are.
A particular call-out to AJ here, you're a good man sir. To think the last ablative resin forge rep quit within a week and is now interested in protecting the community says tons about your character. I am sure I speak for the rest of us if I say a big 'Thank you' for being willing to listen and making an honest assessment.
Some of the responses from this new shop being shared in this thread sound exactly like the responses from DM the last time around.
Im glad there are people keeping an eye out for such people, because even if this isnt DM it sounds super sketchy, and I for one will be staying away from the "store".
I dunno. Wanting the guy's email to establish communication rather than some site's PM service isn't a Terrible idea as it might give you a better "paper" trail to show the discussion later if need be.
That's fine. His inability to secure said email despite extremely obvious vectors to do so, blaming a third party, claiming a witch hunt immediately, deleting reasonable questions, writing style and 'troll posts' comments are what raises eyebrows here. I don't care if he get's in touch by carrier pidgeon or CIA certified telepath, his 'inability' to do so is what is concerning. He can however get to facebook, claim to be the victim of a far fetched and terrible scam, and blame a third party he won't name. Whoever he is and all that.
1a) Okay for personal use if agreed with opponent beforehand (just like any other scratchbuild.) 1b) Selling is a no-no which the original sculptor alluded to in his video.
Right, that's what I thought. So the website looks like BCS is printing and selling multiple copies, e.g.:
A few more designs will be going in with the printings of the current Chaos 'Hound' . The orders for the print's on them will be made today so only a few short hours remain.
Custom requests for specific styles can and will be taken today via PM to here, Black Crusade Studio . Simply email what type of 1 of a kind style you want, and I will get back to you at once.
That is correct it is a close enough product to forgeworld warhound titan of chaos that Gw's ip lawyers would jump on it, but he says he's taking orders but doesn't list them explicitly for sale, so he may be in a loopholes. I don't know copyright law that well to know that it's anything more than an IP violation.
Update: I also forwarded his page to GW legal and IP for them to look at and decide if it
Infringes their IP.
BCS has deleted the posts about selling the titan model now.
The remaining works are still VERY DM'esque in their style and manner of conversion, and again no such Alan Welson exists out here in the LA area.
Someone posted on the BCS page for him to directly answer the allegations being brought up here, and he hasn't managed to delete that post yet, so we'll see. They were online rather recently.
While BCS were busy claiming to be trying to contact the owner of the file, they were busy deleting every post that contained the actual contact details.
I got the contact details from Warseer, posted them up and was promptly deleted and banned.
I screen capped all the pictures they posted with the request for private PM pre-orders. I also commented again since I previous one inviting him to this thread has been deleted.
I want some of those pieces. When i look at the photo;s why are some of them tagged with Rolljordon on them? Is he involved in this business because I have had dealings with him in the past and they were all great transactions.
fullheadofhair wrote: I want some of those pieces. When i look at the photo;s why are some of them tagged with Rolljordon on them? Is he involved in this business because I have had dealings with him in the past and they were all great transactions.
More than likely not. Tagging people causes it to show into people who follow said tag on their newsfeed. It's free publicity. Tag a big name painter in the post and it'll show up in their newsfeed and their followers feed. Nothing on the page resembles rolljordans work and knowing he's been through the GW legal battle I doubt he'd get involved in a company that willingly violates GW IP.
Aerethan wrote: BCS has deleted the posts about selling the titan model now.
The remaining works are still VERY DM'esque in their style and manner of conversion, and again no such Alan Welson exists out here in the LA area.
Someone posted on the BCS page for him to directly answer the allegations being brought up here, and he hasn't managed to delete that post yet, so we'll see. They were online rather recently.
Almost right after that any posts, mine included directing him here were deleted, although I was not banned and have reposted for him to address the issues.
I just noticed that the current facebook number of likes are 666.... :O Methinks this is indeed the sign of the beast that is Mandelbaum; deleter of comments and master of tomfoolery.
If it really is him it's sad to see that it looks like he'll never learn. Wasting his potential on scamming will only result on him either finally facing the music once and for all (once he slips up and authorities actually catch up on him) or he gets a more personal style of street-justice from disgruntled people he tried pulling his scams on. Either way I can't believe he's up and running on his next big thing already. Guess those birds of his must really have some high upkeep
Amazingly at this moment my latest post hasn't been deleted. My previous one which was deleted on mobile, apparently is still on the full page though as well.
If it were not DM as he claims, why will he not join the forum and defend himself? Instead he issues facebook comments asking for others to do it for him, which as we all have pointed out is typical of DM.
I'd be interested in hearing from anyone if Catwell has actually attempted to contact BCS or not.
I like the new use of the word "Client" they are using it sounds so professional (my boss uses it all the time when he's trying to BS or impress someone) .
However BCS are now at the stage where they are throwing misdirections about the validity of the claims made against them and a mysterious "Client" has come forward claiming that
"I found it easy to contact BigBad about his 3d printed warhound. I did it thru Shapeways. Be well."
I assume that all this is to run the clock out on Paypal payments
I'm sure a C&D with DM on will be coming along shortly.
I logged out of facebook to view his page and my comments have been deleted, but I am still not banned.
I don't expect to hear any answers from the page anytime soon though.
What still hasn't been answered:
-Is BCS a registered business and operating legally?
-Who is really running the "Alan Welson" facebook and by extension BCS?
-For a studio based in LA why is there no record of them existing there?
-Who provided the file to print the titan, and why would BCS pay for the file without checking it's validity? And if they didn't "buy" it, why did the "creator" share it for free? What was the return on the investment?
To me that last one will be this incidents version of the fake C&D lawyer rip-off from the RF incident.
BCS will come out and say they purchased the print believing it to be the work of a client who stole it without their knowledge and that they are indeed the victim,
It's what happened when it was discovered that the C&D was fake. The story was, We were ripped off by a lawyer.
I don't think anyone here has any plans to let this fade from memory fast without checking into every incident and record for BCS.
I forgot to thank Tom for the support! Means a lot to me! And everyone else who was watching this page and sourcing information.
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Savagecoyote wrote: I like the new use of the word "Client" they are using it sounds so professional (my boss uses it all the time when he's trying to BS or impress someone) .
However BCS are now at the stage where they are throwing misdirections about the validity of the claims made against them and a mysterious "Client" has come forward claiming that
"I found it easy to contact BigBad about his 3d printed warhound. I did it thru Shapeways. Be well."
I assume that all this is to run the clock out on Paypal payments
More than likely, although since orders were closed today according to his page, he still has 44 more days to stall refunds. In the case that this isn't resolved then, we can issue a statement that anyone still waiting for a model that will never come can call paypal directly with the dispute to resolve it past the deadline.
Another thing I would like to see an answer from BCS on is who is this client, where did he come from, and why hasn't he shared here as a third party to address the community.
I had a nice chat with Alan on a GW fansite FB page:
http://imgur.com/IUpQhbE Of course he is the victim, and we are the bad guys. Shame on us guys.
Also:
Alan Welson That shows right there you dont know how I collect orders. I use PM to discuss details, I use paypal checkout to order things. Huge difference. I also inform all my customers about the 45 day 100% money back with paypal.
I wont bother with dakka or warseer. I dont feel like being flamed. The item is not for sale. I have no problem customers and never had and will simply continue with my commission work.
The only thing I want is to have Big Bad respond to me so I can give him the clients details and they can then battle it out and maybe, just MAYBE I can get an apology for being scammed as well. I admit I made a mistake not doing more of a check on my client, but what artist does that to each and every client? None.
Im also done talking here. The admins can decide how to handle this as this OP was to get feedback, not defend myself by the smae group of people as I do on my own page for something I did not knowingly do wrong and wish to resolve it.
Gave that a nice read over and it is similar to the arguing style of DM and as I said, he's playing the victim. But before we had this thread, I offered painting services and tried to buy bits from him, but each of my messages was "seen" but never responded to.
My guess is because if he sold me something, I'd have proof to turn over to this thread to add to the chain of amounting evidence.
The fact that Alan is unwilling to resolve the situation and PM Catwell is concerning enough. PM and email would work just as well as each other and he has the pm information. Since he is the one who stole Catwell's model then he should contact him.
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Alan Welson That shows right there you dont know how I collect orders. I use PM to discuss details, I use paypal checkout to order things. Huge difference. I also inform all my customers about the 45 day 100% money back with paypal.
This is the exact same way Resin Forge took orders when they "Shut Down" the webstore. Now if someone has managed to check out and can provide the email address Alan provided it would do a lot to resolve his identity.
I wont bother with dakka or warseer. I dont feel like being flamed. The item is not for sale. I have no problem customers and never had and will simply continue with my commission work.
The only thing I want is to have Big Bad respond to me so I can give him the clients details and they can then battle it out and maybe, just MAYBE I can get an apology for being scammed as well. I admit I made a mistake not doing more of a check on my client, but what artist does that to each and every client? None.
I'd actually believe in a business venture as expensive as 3d printing and selling that someone would do at least a little background checking. Considering the astronomical expenses to produce what he promised. As another commission artist, I can say that I do usually look into almost 90% of my clients on large projects to make sure I will not be out time or money. If i have to pay for something, I collect those funds up front.
For him to claim to care about continuing his commission work and caring for clients, he doesn't act like it. Without having looked into the titan situation before posting it for sale he put his business and client relationship at risk.
As for us flaming him. If he presents himself politely and collective the community is reasonable and willing to listen. But factual proof needs to be provided as well. It's the same that was asked of me when I was managing the RF page.
Funnily enough, 'Mr Welson' claimed to have previously worked at a gaming store in Long Beach CA. It would surely help ease the community's fears if he could tell us which one that was. That way, we could ring them and ask about him, to help prove he isn't Mandelbondsley.
Ketara wrote: Funnily enough, 'Mr Welson' claimed to have previously worked at a gaming store in Long Beach CA. It would surely help ease the community's fears if he could tell us which one that was. That way, we could ring them and ask about him, to help prove he isn't Mandelbondsley.
According to google and this site there are only 4 hobby & Game stores in Long beach, so it shouldn't be hard if they're still in business!
http://long-beach.hubbiz.com/hobby-model-shops
I noticed the part where he wrote, "I can provide a screen shot for the nay sayers as well if needed." yet fails to provide such or a link to such. Deja vu?
Greetings All...
Mostly I've been just a lurker here for quite some time... but something happened today which has caused me to create an account and log in to post in response to someone asking why the mysterious client hasn't been here to reply.
I'm James Keller -- the guy that BCS has used in his FB post. I've written him back after that and asked him to stop using my name -- he took what I said out of context and apparently to support his claims about selling 3D printed chaos warhounds.
Soooo...
I was in talks with him last night - and things just devolved and got sketchier and sketchier as the evening wore on.
Thinking something was up -- I went and checked BigBad's response... and behold it screamed scam or worse. Told him I'd sleep on it.
I was sent a Paypal invoice this morning which I promptly canceled and advised BCS to sort himself out. I mentioned that it's all to easy to go to BigBad's Shapeways page and contact him.
Talked about this today with some friends at lunch (I'm here in Japan with the Wargamers in Japan club - and the A-Z Gaming Club). I can post screen caps of our conversation if anyone wants 'em. Even the canceled Paypal invoice. Just want justice on this (like Batman)! Let me know what you guys need...
James, could you please PM me the email from his paypal account and name on the account?
Your the first third party encounter to create a Dakka account and respond and I appreciate you coming forward. Despite the accusations of this community, they are all welcoming and friendly.
James, welcome and thanks for coming forward. I would be very interested a out that PayPal invoice myself... Particularly the location on it state and city.
Paul Waumsley
Funny, I tried to add reason on everyones behalf on warseer, Dakka, Da Waaagh ( before it got there) & I got slaughtered. Now, this where it gets interesting, I went to post on Warseer, Dakka & I forgot to mention Lexicanum & lo I can't post, a friend went on for me & all posts removed. Someone explain that. So on that game I will stand by Alan as everyone else seems to be so pathetic about all this. If this was a scam surely Alan would of buried his head in the sand & disappeared as so many have in the past. Why wont Mr Catwell of Big Bad talk about this & in Black Crusade Studios shoes I would want to communicate via email for the track record. So is it so hard for the complainant to contact BCS, I know I would if someone ripped my work off (& I have had it done to me). Surely its as easy as that. So everyone take your dicks out of each others mouths & let these two gentlemen resolve the matter between them.
If you have not already, and have an hour or two to spare, please review the following thread as many of us have deep suspicions that this individual is behind BCS due to a substantial amount of similarities on literally every front -
Paul Waumsley
Funny, I tried to add reason on everyones behalf on warseer, Dakka, Da Waaagh ( before it got there) & I got slaughtered. Now, this where it gets interesting, I went to post on Warseer, Dakka & I forgot to mention Lexicanum & lo I can't post, a friend went on for me & all posts removed. Someone explain that. So on that game I will stand by Alan as everyone else seems to be so pathetic about all this. If this was a scam surely Alan would of buried his head in the sand & disappeared as so many have in the past. Why wont Mr Catwell of Big Bad talk about this & in Black Crusade Studios shoes I would want to communicate via email for the track record. So is it so hard for the complainant to contact BCS, I know I would if someone ripped my work off (& I have had it done to me). Surely its as easy as that. So everyone take your dicks out of each others mouths & let these two gentlemen resolve the matter between them.
Where is he posting as I haven't seen anything pop onto his facebook, BCS, Alan, or Dakka's pages. If he's not posting as a total troll or flame baiting, I can't imagine that his posts would be deleted without reason.
Ketara wrote: Nobody has removed any posts here on Dakka on this subject. Yet now some chap is mentioning that we're erasing his posts?
Does this sound familiar to anyone?
Theres an easy way to prove that, they can post screenshots of the posts they made and of their user page. That can be checked by the users and mods here to see if the user ever existed, and problem solved.
Paul Waumsley
Funny, I tried to add reason on everyones behalf on warseer, Dakka, Da Waaagh ( before it got there) & I got slaughtered. Now, this where it gets interesting, I went to post on Warseer, Dakka & I forgot to mention Lexicanum & lo I can't post, a friend went on for me & all posts removed. Someone explain that. So on that game I will stand by Alan as everyone else seems to be so pathetic about all this. If this was a scam surely Alan would of buried his head in the sand & disappeared as so many have in the past. Why wont Mr Catwell of Big Bad talk about this & in Black Crusade Studios shoes I would want to communicate via email for the track record. So is it so hard for the complainant to contact BCS, I know I would if someone ripped my work off (& I have had it done to me). Surely its as easy as that. So everyone take your dicks out of each others mouths & let these two gentlemen resolve the matter between them.
Like clockwork. Another person claiming banning before we even knew they existed lol... Daniel, why would we delete your posts when they do such a great job of exposing your lies? The above, at least in regards to Dakka, is 100% BS. BCS is reacting rather immediately like this kind of thing is extremely old hat and familiar. Are we really going to pretend anyone who never experienced this before would be reacting in these ways already?
I can also verify Daniel Mandelbaum, on day one of this thread, has begun phoning and emailing people with the usual 'I already called the authorities on people!' Bs threats right on cue as well... Rather quick since his name is not in the thread tile and not mentioned til later...
Paul Waumsley
Funny, I tried to add reason on everyones behalf on warseer, Dakka, Da Waaagh ( before it got there) & I got slaughtered. Now, this where it gets interesting, I went to post on Warseer, Dakka & I forgot to mention Lexicanum & lo I can't post, a friend went on for me & all posts removed. Someone explain that. So on that game I will stand by Alan as everyone else seems to be so pathetic about all this. If this was a scam surely Alan would of buried his head in the sand & disappeared as so many have in the past. Why wont Mr Catwell of Big Bad talk about this & in Black Crusade Studios shoes I would want to communicate via email for the track record. So is it so hard for the complainant to contact BCS, I know I would if someone ripped my work off (& I have had it done to me). Surely its as easy as that. So everyone take your dicks out of each others mouths & let these two gentlemen resolve the matter between them.
Like clockwork. Another person claiming banning before we even knew they existed lol... Daniel, why would we delete your posts when they do such a great job of exposing your lies? The above, at least in regards to Dakka, is 100% BS. BCS is reacting rather immediately like this kind of thing is extremely old hat and familiar. Are we really going to pretend anyone who never experienced this before would be reacting in these ways already?
I can also verify Daniel Mandelbaum, on day one of this thread, has begun phoning and emailing people with the usual 'I already called the authorities on people!' Bs threats right on cue as well... Rather quick since his name is not in the thread tile and not mentioned til later...
I think Waumsley may be a real person, although he is foolishly standing by a losing cause. I do agree that the responses from BCS seem to be, ok I expected this to happen here's what I'll do now.
If he is he as been coached what to say specifically AJ, as you can attest to. As you can also attest, we don't delete moments out of hand, supporters or not.
The fact he says he was pre banned though is pretty unexplainable, our psychic prescient computers are a secret after all.
If he is, his post is a lie and nonsense, so why would he do that?
You make a good point. His words are almost directly what he was told to say. Now if he were smart, he would have taken a more humble approach and been polite about it and changed the context of his post to something else.
To say he was slaughtered on a forum, is just beyond exaggeration. Even by some of the die hard members who didn't believe I wasn't a DM alias, I wouldn't call it a slaughter.
The trend of text does also sit well to DM, it ends in a slur of vulgarity.
A track record could be kept just as well via PM or DM on twitter as all conversations are stored.
The account from what I can see though seems to be older. So it'd be a deep cover account, or an account borrowed from someone else?
This is, although a shame for anyone taken in, fantastic entertainment. It's like watching one of those home video shows where people willingly send in humiliating clips of themselves.
I'm also now super-jealous of that BigBad chap's talent, the Warhound is breathtaking.
It's amazing how easy it is to spot patterns of pathological behaviour here. Good catch, guys, at the rate you're finding his businesses he won't have a chance to scam anyone
I want to start out with that I had to create an account just for this post (not big into forums), And wanted to say that pretty much all the big facebook hobby groups seem to have caught on on what's going on with this issue. So yeah, Good job as a community that is looking out for each other.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I posted Catwell/Big Bads business e-mail which I found on his FB site without search, just clicks. I posted it on the 3rd party site, so he will unable to take it down to clame no one contacted him.
Funny, I tried to add reason on everyones behalf on warseer, Dakka, Da Waaagh ( before it got there) & I got slaughtered. Now, this where it gets interesting, I went to post on Warseer, Dakka & I forgot to mention Lexicanum & lo I can't post, a friend went on for me & all posts removed.
That's a blatant lie.
Post still there. And in case you really have to wonder, the one lonely liker is none other than "Alan Welson".
Also there were no posts on Warseer by anybody from BCS, Welson or his supporters. None made and surely none deleted, I was monitoring that thread.
In any case this Waumsley account looks and sounds exactly like the previous RF burn accounts to me.
Hmmm, we've not quite got all the usual clues yet Scooby Gang; Shouldn't someone here be receiving a C&D letter from a Cleaning firm in Liechtenstein by now?
So according to some posts on the BCSFB page he shipped IW bits to somebody and the guy 'received' them. Too bad the other account is not public on FB, so no way of checking this out further. The same thing is going on for most of his 'defenders' and 'supporters'...think about it.
Dunno, going through some odd theatrics to note how an Email apparently has now been sent to "Big Red" (which I presume was supposed to go to Catwell of Big Bad Models, no? Not Big Red of (presumably) BoLS?).
I must thank a certain guy who's name I can not recall from another hobby page for giving me Big Reds email.
I will not post it here but covers all the details and I hope he replies so we can both resolve this misunderstanding as men.
My goal and hope is that by working together we can stop my former client from getting other peoples 3d files and claiming them as his own.
If Black Crusade is a genuine firm they will be able to clear the situation simply by publishing their business registration details.
And a photo of them with the 3D plans Erm, I mean a screenshot of the Titan 3D files that was not already shown by the real creator on the internet. Somebody wants to bet some cash on the chances of that happening?
Even if they had the files from another source. Attempting to sell it is pretty much a legal no-go. This is something right along the lines of what GW should send lawyers after.
Guys I can now confirm via multiple points this is in fact Daniel Mandelbaum at it again. As with the initial RF finding, I will not divulge the methods used to get the info.
MajorTom11 wrote: Guys I can now confirm via multiple points this is in fact Daniel Mandelbaum at it again. As with the initial RF finding, I will not divulge the methods used to get the info.
I repeat, Daniel Mandelbaum is behind BCS.
So FB is the current M.O.? The likes keep increasing. Want to bet they top out around 2K like last time? So depressing, but many thanks to everyone who stays vigilant against his abuse of the community.
MajorTom11 wrote: Guys I can now confirm via multiple points this is in fact Daniel Mandelbaum at it again. As with the initial RF finding, I will not divulge the methods used to get the info.
I repeat, Daniel Mandelbaum is behind BCS.
Ohh This'll be good! Each time he's caught It's a car wreck.
Yup he is busted super early this time because literally dozens of pages and groups were watching for him, he has no idea how many people made him before his page was even 3 days old.
And to note, no, it is very much in line with previous ventures that he ad the next up and running during or very shortly after the previous... In this case it is how fast he is being caught. He is however using a new Paypal account and name that are being reported.
Well, assuming it is Daniel Mandelbaum (just gonna run with the assumption), even he must've known that this would be a more "short-term-scam". He wouldn't have been able to deliver a single Titan (presumably). Unlike Resin Forge, there's no way he could've build a half-decent early track-record first.
He may "just" have sacrificed a random FB account for a "quick-scam" inspired by the Titan picture, not something "worth" a full set-up like Resin Forge.
MajorTom11 wrote: Guys I can now confirm via multiple points this is in fact Daniel Mandelbaum at it again. As with the initial RF finding, I will not divulge the methods used to get the info.
I saw this on one of the recent post items: "Thanks for inviting me to the page."
I was wondering how he spontaneously garnered such a large, rabid following. He invited them. I wonder how many of them are actually him (dummy accounts)?
Well, to be fair, there seems to be no proof linking this to Daniel Mandelbaum, aside from MajorTom11 saying he has proof (but not sharing), which is rather unsatisfactory (and more than a little bit odd) in and by itself.
Zweischneid wrote: Well, to be fair, there seems to be no proof linking this to Daniel Mandelbaum, aside from MajorTom11 saying he has proof (but not sharing), which is rather unsatisfactory (and more than a little bit odd) in and by itself.
MajorTom11 did the same thing last time during the Resin Forge debacle. Usually Mandelbaum comes out sooner or later shooting himself in the foot and revealing himself.
So is anyone considering reporting this to GW Legal?
Because I'm sure they would love to get someone like Mandelbaum for selling 3D prints--and it might actually engender some good will towards their legion of lawyers.
Zweischneid wrote: Well, to be fair, there seems to be no proof linking this to Daniel Mandelbaum, aside from MajorTom11 saying he has proof (but not sharing), which is rather unsatisfactory (and more than a little bit odd) in and by itself.
MajorTom11 did the same thing last time during the Resin Forge debacle. Usually Mandelbaum comes out sooner or later shooting himself in the foot and revealing himself.
I know. Which, in the end, leaves things in an odd limbo (until then).
On one hand, there's no reason to doubt that MajorTom is right and Daniel Mandelbaum is behind it.
On the other hand, it still feels wrong to blame a person - even a known past scammer - for a current scam on "the word" of one other person alone.
Hey Guys, it's me again. I seem to only pop up on here when DM is up to another scam.
I cannot verify wether or not BCS is Mandelbaum or not, but I can say that the Facebook site is shady regardless. Aside from the titan he's scamming people with he has another item "for sale" on the site. See the attached image. It's stolen from an online artist Kevin Dobler AKA Voidhawke: http://www.voidehawke.com/Slaanesh1.html
Clearly he does not own this actual 3D mesh nor was it ever designed for a dreadnought. Just more file for the fire.
@LuckyNo.5: how you know that artist didn't give his approval? In any case there was no actual 3D printed model of this, but yes, he was also selling this as "prints".
Zweischneid wrote: Well, to be fair, there seems to be no proof linking this to Daniel Mandelbaum, aside from MajorTom11 saying he has proof (but not sharing), which is rather unsatisfactory (and more than a little bit odd) in and by itself.
MajorTom11 did the same thing last time during the Resin Forge debacle. Usually Mandelbaum comes out sooner or later shooting himself in the foot and revealing himself.
I know. Which, in the end, leaves things in an odd limbo (until then).
On one hand, there's no reason to doubt that MajorTom is right and Daniel Mandelbaum is behind it.
On the other hand, it still feels wrong to blame a person - even a known past scammer - for a current scam on "the word" of one other person alone.
I acknowledge that for sure Zwei. It was the same last time at around, and I hope that the fact I was proven to be 100% right in the end counts for something. As with last time, I choose not to disclose the methods used to verify his identity in order to protect my ability to use it. Still not completely satisfactory I know but at least reasonable sounding I hope?
As has been said before, whether or not you or anyone chooses to believe me on word alone (supported by pretty heavy circumstantial evidence mind) about Mandelbaum doesn't really change much in regards to the fact that this FB page is scamming and is not to be trusted, whether or not anyone in particular is at the helm. That's my personal opinion on the matter, I hope you agree at that level if anything!
Cheers! And thank you for presenting the fair points you did, it is important, despite claims otherwise, that the discussion be as reasonable and objective as possible, however difficult that may be for some like myself. Check and balance away!
Zweischneid wrote: Well, to be fair, there seems to be no proof linking this to Daniel Mandelbaum, aside from MajorTom11 saying he has proof (but not sharing), which is rather unsatisfactory (and more than a little bit odd) in and by itself.
MajorTom11 did the same thing last time during the Resin Forge debacle. Usually Mandelbaum comes out sooner or later shooting himself in the foot and revealing himself.
I know. Which, in the end, leaves things in an odd limbo (until then).
On one hand, there's no reason to doubt that MajorTom is right and Daniel Mandelbaum is behind it.
On the other hand, it still feels wrong to blame a person - even a known past scammer - for a current scam on "the word" of one other person alone.
To be fair, if Daniel Mandelbaum is behind the site he can improve confidence in his business by publishing its registration details. If he fails to do that, people will not be relying on "the word" of one other person.
Exactly as Tom says, a fair amount of public evidence points to this being Mandelbaum, and also private evidence that there is no need to share because:
1) This business is obviously a scam, since they are using pictures of someone else's model to sell as their own. The very definition of a scam!
2) So that those same methods will work for future watching of Mandelbaum's scams.
It really doesn't matter if it's "definitely" proven that it's him. It's a scammer, obviously, so folks should stay clear. It's also extremely likely to be a particular known scammer, for whatever that's worth.
I do wish folks would leave out the "popcorn" comments, though. This isn't a game, even though Mandelbaum must enjoy it because he persists. People have money tied up in it, and need to be made aware to file Paypal claims ASAP. That's the only purpose of threads like this... not entertainment.
I do wish folks would leave out the "popcorn" comments, though. This isn't a game, even though Mandelbaum must enjoy it because he persists. People have money tied up in it, and need to be made aware to file Paypal claims ASAP. That's the only purpose of threads like this... not entertainment.
Bloody hell i go to work and it all kicks off !! I spoke to a mate who knows Wintermute of Warseer and he said he would bring it up with him about "clone accounts" what ever they are and try for a ban on Warseer of his IP
Clone accounts are generally frowned upon in most forum rules. They are two (or more) accounts registered from the same computer with the same IP address. Now the problem is that there may actually be two different people posting from that comp (kids using moms comp for example, Husband and Wife for another).... But if one claims to be from England and one from Arizona the the modships will have to have a long hard debate to ban the IP...
Edit: And for me the popcorn comment was about what the alleged subject would do next to try and deflect and deny...
An IP ban isn't likely to do much; don't know how it works in the US, but I'd presume it's similar to over here, domestic broadband routers being assigned their IP address by DHCP from the ISP (and so changing address periodically). Unless he's paying for a fixed-IP service (unlikely given he's not even registering a business number) banning a single IP isn't likely to catch him, it'd simply cause issues for innocent parties later.
just joined the site. but always followed what Lex has said and found the ResinForge stuff (C&D letter and such) amazing.
Currently talking to BCS as a 'customer' ( i have never joined in on any thing on FB before. So if they looked for me on Lex and here wont bring me up)
so far they claim that the one in the picture is not avaliable currently as he is having a disagreement with the creator about it. but has said this ' The current chaos hound s owner and I have yet to begin talks so my own version will be out and can equal detailing after my 20+ years in the hobby.' and 'The version will be a unqiue one based more on a mars pattern style undivided that can be easily modified to fit any legion.'
He also claims that he is using the 3D printer to make molds for Resin casting and says 'Same resin FW uses
not a plasticresin hybrid'
i have tried asking them if GW are ok with people creating their own models based on their IP and making profit from them , he has not yet answered that question.
Curious to know if anybody has reported the FB page as a scam?
I did after reading everything here.
It's also something that GW should do, with FB, since the Titans are their Intellectual Property.
I would have liked to have been able to give a better explanation to FB for reporting, but their options for doing it suck...so it's just pick the closest one and know that you tried to contribute to the Greater Good.
winterdyne wrote: An IP ban isn't likely to do much; don't know how it works in the US, but I'd presume it's similar to over here, domestic broadband routers being assigned their IP address by DHCP from the ISP (and so changing address periodically). Unless he's paying for a fixed-IP service (unlikely given he's not even registering a business number) banning a single IP isn't likely to catch him, it'd simply cause issues for innocent parties later.
Also true. but it will slow the original miscreant down for a few months...
My home IP only seems to reset when I have problems or changes to my ISP. IE: it changed when I went from Dialup to DSL... I've since had the modem and router destroyed by lightning and still have the same IP on the new router and modem...
So the answer is "probably up to your local internet service provider"
Hey guys I did report BCS to GW legal and the IP departments since the original creator did not sell his print or the creation he should be ok as he drafted and printed it for his own personal use. But BCS trying to sell it will incur the wrath of IP lawyers.
And Tom is correct and has never been wrong in the past. I know several people have been contacted by DM since this started.
TheMeanDM wrote: Curious to know if anybody has reported the FB page as a scam?
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the problem with reporting to FB is they don't care i reported every image on the RF page twice up to and including that it was child endangerment (his bilious post laced with profanities) this did absolutely zero never a follow up never a takedown
Welp that time of month again. If ya'll need a sacrificial goat to try weedling info out do let me know again (he never could seem to keep his mouth shut if you just pander to him)
Having done the whole Resin Forge fiasco, I have full trust in MajorTom that his evidence is there, even if being held private.
Daniel is a sociopath, a liar, and a fraud. Those are not allegations, they are fact. He is a black mark not only on the community but on humanity in general.
I don't think Daniel will ever stop. These little scams are a compulsion for him. The monetary gains are so little for how much time has to go into these stupid shams.
At this rate we're looking at doing this 4 time a year.
Because of all of the (alleged) repeated (alleged) scams. The fact that it has (allegedly) crossed state lines and (allegedly) international lines; not to mention the harassment, etc. Has anyone reported this to the Postmaster General or the FBI (via the DoJ)? It seems that this is something they should deal with.
Granted, and the base is pretty much the same. Well done anyway guys, will spread the word as a friend of mine has liked this page so need to make sure no deals are done for the time being.
Its now up to 727 likes, not bad going for less then 24hours since it was 62x something.
As mentioned, no one who has never had trouble before, or had the entire community on them, would react the way 'BCS' is reacting within 24 hrs.
Normal people would be embarrased and very actively apologetic and trying to get to the bottom of things on their own volition. No one immediately defaults to 'Those terrible trolls at Dakka are out to get me and this is the US!' and deleting posts all over the place. That's not normal, that's Mandelbaum.
Note he won't say the name of 'someone he's not', if he had nothing to do with Daniel, why won't he say his name?
It's all the same... pack it up Mandelbaum, go make your new website or page or whatever. We'll find you out again, maybe even quicker. Your scams are played out, and so are you. Seriously, go work at a gas station as a 2nd (or 1st job) or something if you need extra cash that bad. It would probably net you the same and take less time. No joke. It makes no sense what you do anymore. What's the point other than to take a dump on your own name and karma 4 times a year at this point?
Happygrunt wrote: Maybe he gets a rush out of scamming? It would explain why they happen so frequently. There is the possibility this has nothing to do with money.
It was mentioned during the last round of investigation and fallout as a possibility, and several posters expressed concern and a sincere desire for anyone who felt compelled to act in this fashion to seek professional help. Above and beyond the damage done through unfulfilled orders and time wasted on everyone's behalf, this kind of behaviour (especially repeated as it appears to be) can't be a healthy and happy way to live.
I have nothing to do with this, and truly want nothing more to do with Daniel Mandelbaum EVER.
Every time a thread on Dakka Dakka starts about his latest venture, he begins harassing me over the phone and calling at all hours, making vague threats.
I don't care to hear anything he has to say, ever.
Maybe he thinks I owe him something because he finally paid me back after years of having to chase him down for all that he owed me?
To be clear:
1) I owe him nothing.
2) I am reporting him to the authorities each and every time he calls from now on, and I suggest all of you do too.
Every time a thread on Dakka Dakka starts about his latest venture, he begins harassing me over the phone and calling at all hours, making vague threats.
I think if you call your phone company and tell them you're getting harassing calls from a certain #, they can block it out so he can't call you anymore. They might say they can't because they don't want to, so you just might have to go through a couple of rounds of "let me talk to your supervisor"
I think he is doing it now for the sake of doing it. Perhaps even just to troll and harass those he hold responsible for the failure(s) of his previous venture(s). It may be he is just harassing us at this point and if he makes a bit of money on the side great, but he is eating up our time which could be better spent on something else. Just food for thought, not saying we should let it go at all just wishing he could go away permanently so we could all relax without our monthly Mandelbonderkimbirdscammer visit.
Alpharius wrote: I have nothing to do with this, and truly want nothing more to do with Daniel Mandelbaum EVER.
Every time a thread on Dakka Dakka starts about his latest venture, he begins harassing me over the phone and calling at all hours, making vague threats.
I don't care to hear anything he has to say, ever.
Maybe he thinks I owe him something because he finally paid me back after years of having to chase him down for all that he owed me?
To be clear:
1) I owe him nothing.
2) I am reporting him to the authorities each and every time he calls from now on, and I suggest all of you do too.
So.... That is confirmation from the horse's mouth (so to speak) that Black Crusade Studios is owned by DM.... Interesting.
No, not really. He of course claims it is nothing to do with him. Yet somehow he jumped right on the thread when it didn't even have his name in it yet.
MajorTom11 wrote: No, not really. He of course claims it is nothing to do with him. Yet somehow he jumped right on the thread when it didn't even have his name in it yet.
1+3= duck quack
Usual Mandelogic.
Hi i am new to the site,always been a lurker. but in this 6 page thead his name is mentioned plenty of times. right from the start people saying it seams like his MO, to someone confirming (though not giving up sources) that he is behind BCS
MajorTom11 wrote: No, not really. He of course claims it is nothing to do with him. Yet somehow he jumped right on the thread when it didn't even have his name in it yet.
1+3= duck quack
Usual Mandelogic.
Hi i am new to the site,always been a lurker. but in this 6 page thead his name is mentioned plenty of times. right from the start people saying it seams like his MO, to someone confirming (though not giving up sources) that he is behind BCS
You've misunderstood.
Firstly, there are few more familiar with Mandelbonder's MO than Tom
Secondly, he was describing DM's logic in getting involved. He will take offence at anything, even when he has to work really hard to do so.
MajorTom11 wrote: No, not really. He of course claims it is nothing to do with him. Yet somehow he jumped right on the thread when it didn't even have his name in it yet.
1+3= duck quack
Usual Mandelogic.
Hi i am new to the site,always been a lurker. but in this 6 page thead his name is mentioned plenty of times. right from the start people saying it seams like his MO, to someone confirming (though not giving up sources) that he is behind BCS
You've misunderstood.
Firstly, there are few more familiar with Mandelbonder's MO than Tom
Secondly, he was describing DM's logic in getting involved. He will take offence at anything, even when he has to work really hard to do so.
i was simply saying that he has been mentioned in this thread, there is a search function, maybe he looks for his name from time to time, or like me found this whole thing via Lexacourm on fb updates? i wasnt questioning that this might be him again, just that he had been mentioned in this thread in connection to BCS, before someone posted saying they have the evidence that he is.
My Mandelogic comment was related to the idea that he was scanning the internet and became immediately involved in an issue he says has absolutely nothing to do with him.
He IMMEDIATELY begins a campaign of harassment just as he did the last 7 times he claimed it was not him, saying the exact same things he said the last 7 times it was him and expecting it to work. Delusional.
Meanwhile, the FB account that is absolutely not him starts acting, writing and lashing out EXACTLY as he did at the end of his last venture while pretending to be a woman. This supposed other person who is supposedly completely innocent and has never experienced the entire internet crashing down on him before suddenly reacts like it is old hat and begins attacking everyone in sight, claiming lies, trolling etc, and dodging all the super, super easy questions that would clear things up. Like a business registration number. Or getting into contact with the owner. Or divulging why he would sell multiple titans at cost (according to him) while shilling old Resin Forge leftovers for profit.
Not to mention there is no evidence the owner of that page actually exists, no element of his now deleted backstory can be confirmed though it should be easy. This company (and the account behind it) popped up exactly when Resin Forge folded, and immediately began doing business with similar models and materials, the same stock, in the same super odd, 'purchase through Facebook PM only' way that I have never seen anywhere else. Starts pre-selling goods it has no rights to do so, a scam by any definition, just as all the others did... I mean come on. Blaming a third party, obscuring and trying to retract that he was selling those titans, using another persons titans... sudden massive leaps in FB likes with no corresponding activity on the site itself... posting links in all the same spots all his other companies did...
I mean I could go on and on, even without knowing the things I know that I cannot pass on, it is pretty bloody obvious at this point... If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, wears a sign saying 'hi I'm a duck', is followed around by scientists and wise men saying it is a duck, has its picture under the definition of duck in the dictionary, is found hanging in Chinese food store windows next to the peking duck sign, does commercials for afflec, is Mickey's best friend... it's a goddam duck already.
Ive followed his goings on before, this is just the first time i have voiced my opinion.
and if he is behind BCS he will be looking at things about it, and even if he isnt from the moment this started people have been throwing his name around, both here and facebook.
His name is often mentioned, anytime a scam occurs. He is the benchmark. He doesn't start calling people for those. He started on this one. Your line of logic is reasonable, but it doesn't factor in his notoriety or the frequency his name will be chucked up all over the internet.
The point is, this time, it was special to him. Even forgetting anything else, one must question why this and not the rest?
I liken it to 'tissue'; everyone calls it "Kleenex", even if it's not that particular brand.
At the absolute minimum, this appears to be someone trying to scam the community. Even if it's not him, the MO is close enough that comparisons and references are all but impossible to avoid.
But when you add all the extras (the calls, the behaviour once called out on the matter, etc), it's hard to ignore the similarities.
If it's not him (and I fully believe Tom that it is at this point), he'd be doing an awfully bad job of avoiding the exact same patterns and pitfalls DM so commonly falls into.
MajorTom11 wrote: No, not really. He of course claims it is nothing to do with him. Yet somehow he jumped right on the thread when it didn't even have his name in it yet.
1+3= duck quack
Usual Mandelogic.
Hi i am new to the site,always been a lurker. but in this 6 page thead his name is mentioned plenty of times. right from the start people saying it seams like his MO, to someone confirming (though not giving up sources) that he is behind BCS
You've misunderstood.
Firstly, there are few more familiar with Mandelbonder's MO than Tom
Secondly, he was describing DM's logic in getting involved. He will take offence at anything, even when he has to work really hard to do so.
i was simply saying that he has been mentioned in this thread, there is a search function, maybe he looks for his name from time to time, or like me found this whole thing via Lexacourm on fb updates? i wasnt questioning that this might be him again, just that he had been mentioned in this thread in connection to BCS, before someone posted saying they have the evidence that he is.
I suspect he does more than drop in from time to time.
This whole thing is like Groundhog Day, you could almost draw up a timetable for the various meltdowns, prevarications and smoke screens.
I reported to GW Legal and Forge World yesterday, who thanked me and told me that they were already aware of it. Don't know whether anything will come of it, but I thought it was the right thing to do.
Magos Explorator wrote: I reported to GW Legal and Forge World yesterday, who thanked me and told me that they were already aware of it. Don't know whether anything will come of it, but I thought it was the right thing to do.
I emailed them Monday afternoon and they said they would look into it and thanks for notifying them. I think we'll see a C&D from GW. From what I've seen of other blogs and sculptors GW has made them remove any and all GW content they have for sale. Which means his work will be removed.
He (as Alan wasshisname) has now said that he has had no reply from Big Bad (sic) for 24 hours. He has tried to shift the attention by saying that the designer is selling for profit using the video.
I have rightly pointed out that not only did he only get the contact details a little over 12 hours ago but that HE was the only one who attempted to sell the design.
Another interesting thing, the Alan Welson profile has 97 friends, and barely any of them appear to be a normal person.
There's a few names I recognise from here, a few from the BCS page and nearly everything else is padded out from very obviously commercial profiles and pages to do with wargaming.
Doesn't look like the profile of a normal person at all. (No pun intended)
The efforts put in by so many people to stop this guy scamming anyone else are commendable. However, if he has an MO, and has done this every few months with a new dodgy company, why aren't the authorities taking more of an interest? What has to be done to get this guy to stop?
Fireytas wrote: The efforts put in by so many people to stop this guy scamming anyone else are commendable. However, if he has an MO, and has done this every few months with a new dodgy company, why aren't the authorities taking more of an interest? What has to be done to get this guy to stop?
Think of it like ROI in a business sense.
The effort required for a conviction for the quantities of victims and cash involved just doesn't stack up.
At this point, it seems the community has him in a corner, so we have by and large achieved what a conviction would achieve anyway, and will continue to pressure him until he gives up, or sufficient evidence accumulates that it is worth sending him to jail.
I still am in a bit of disbelief that of all our members and all the people who see this, no one knows anyone in the DOJ, Post office etc that would have the right to nail this guy... but oh well. He is a giant pest to us, but a petty thief to them.
MajorTom11 wrote: I still am in a bit of disbelief that of all our members and all the people who see this, no one knows anyone in the DOJ, Post office etc that would have the right to nail this guy... but oh well. He is a giant pest to us, but a petty thief to them.
Thats what I was trying to get to earlier. I dont KNOW special-agent joe blow I can call but this definitely has crossed the line from punk taking advantage of someone to a larger scheme involving players in different states/countries that has happened repeatedly. I've never done anything with the Attorney General's office on a state or Federal level but the US Postmaster General's office really dislikes fraud when it goes through their system. Little did I know they have a decent organization to investigate the claims, hunt these jokers down and prosecute them.
http://www.ehow.com/how_5040363_file-complaint-postmaster-general.html
The (alleged) fact that this is happening again (and again) with some other shell "company" shows a continued willful and malevolent desire to defraud a community. That is something the FBI would investigate.
Either way Fed's dont around.
Although the absolute most brutal and unsavory type of person I have encountered and from word of mouth are IRS agents. If this person is collecting money through a unregistered, fictitious business without their EIN and all their i's dotted and t's crossed AND not giving Uncle Sam their fair-share.. woe betide them. Its something I WOULD wish on my worst enemy.
azreal13 wrote: Another interesting thing, the Alan Welson profile has 97 friends, and barely any of them appear to be a normal person.
There's a few names I recognise from here, a few from the BCS page and nearly everything else is padded out from very obviously commercial profiles and pages to do with wargaming.
Doesn't look like the profile of a normal person at all. (No pun intended)
I scrolled through his friends just to see. I know 90% of them, but there are no personal friends on there. Everyone is a professional artist or people who work for studios or forums.
All of these are people any "Joe Blow" can add and get on their friends list.
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MajorTom11 wrote: I still am in a bit of disbelief that of all our members and all the people who see this, no one knows anyone in the DOJ, Post office etc that would have the right to nail this guy... but oh well. He is a giant pest to us, but a petty thief to them.
Hopefully GW will see him in violation and throw the IP lawyers at him. It'd be nice to have some high powered friends in the legal system!
He (as Alan wasshisname) has now said that he has had no reply from Big Bad (sic) for 24 hours.
Nor is it probable that he will get one - I have seen the rambling email that "Alan Welson" sent to Big Bad/ Catwell and since "Alan Welson" wrote pretty much exactly what I had predicted some days earlier in a PM and because Big Bad/ Catwell knows what Mandelbaum does if you give him any personal information like phone or skype or whatever, I have the impression he does not want to be used as a punching bag for psycho calls.
Since that information contradicts the information given out by Black Crusade Studios, either the video maker or BCS are lying.
Since BCS was supposed to do the 3D prints on Monday and he was supposed to be in the possession of the plans for much longer - yet we fail to see any proof images of either printed models nor screenshots of the files - it is not difficult to pick a side to bet your money on. So, Alan/ Daniel, our faithful but silent reader, did you manage to print any of the kits?
I would definitely advise the video maker to respond, publicly with the following -
1. Can you show any in software 3D renders or the base geometry to prove you have the 3D files at the least and could have offerred the model if there had been no IP issues? This would help at least show you were capable of following through on your pre-orders and drastically minimize the appearance of outright fraud.
2. Can you please provide your business registration # and attendant info as demanded by US law.
3. Do you now publicly attest, that you are not, nor in any way involved with Daniel Mandelbaum or Stephanie Hernandez or any of their associated aliases.
4. Can you provide the phone numbers of local California hobby establishments that would be able to attest to your existence so that we can have some verification beyond your assurances in #3. Note, this will not give out any of your personal information, but since you attest to being part of the California scene for some time and worked in the hobby, it should be no problem to get a hold of someone, anyone who knows you out there and is themselves a verifiable employee or known person at the locations you specify.
Just do all that. 'Alan' should be able to answer all of that with 10 minutes of his time, it should be immediately accessible info on all fronts, there should be absolutely no excuse or reason not to share that information if he is being honest about who and what he is.
I would definitely advise the video maker to respond, publicly with the following -
[...]
Honestly after writing with Big Bad I do not have the impression he wishes to become embroiled in a public and protracted discussion with the Likes of Welson/ Mandelbaum. And who couldn't understand that. Big Bad has made a public announcement that he is not associated to BCS and that his Titan is not for sale and that the pictures used were stolen from his blog and that nobody had his Titan or the 3D plans for it. Warning that the whole thing must be a scam. He did so in a widespread public video. That's already pretty much he can do to distance himself from all sales and to warn people. If it is Mandelbaum or somebody else will not play a big role for him as long as his name is out of the suspicion corner.
Nevertheless I will forward him MajorTom11's suggestion.
Tell him he never has to deal with it after that, but if he wants to help the greater community, it is important he put that out there at the least.
If he does not respond at all, you can bet it will be used to paint him as the bad guy at the least, and possibly be spun so that BCS can get themselves out of explaining it at worst.
Remind him he has the ability to prevent people from being robbed, potentially kids, just by clicking copy paste and send, and then posting what he sent just once on any forum. Literally 60 seconds of his time at most.
I'd agree that there is no point in trying to drag Big Bad / Catwell into this over and beyond what he'd be willing to do.
The very claim by BCS to "need" Big Bad to clear this whole thing up seems like a diversion in itself? BCS doesn't want to disclose "the client" with the files publicly out of integrity, though he would disclose "the client" to Catwell, who would in turn be free to publicize the information? Sounds like bs.
BCS - in theory - can clear all accusations of wrongdoings that are currently leveled against him all by himself, without involving Catwell and (!) without disclosing information of "the client" simply by providing original images (and business registration, etc., etc.. ).
The attempt to make Big Bad culpable in some form for the refusal to provide some kind of proof of BCS's "innocence" just stinks.
Yeah, I agree- while it could help, in a sense, to expose Mandelbaum a bit more by having Big Bad release a statement like that... they've already done more than enough. They've said they have nothing to do with the sales, and that the scammer simply stole their image and pretended it was their own.
If anyone wants to deal with the scammer after seeing that... it truly is their own fault!
(Of course, if they don't see it it's a different matter... but hopefully the video continues to be disseminated around the web to warn anyone who might be contacted by this scammer)
RiTides wrote:Yeah, I agree- while it could help, in a sense, to expose Mandelbaum a bit more by having Big Bad release a statement like that... they've already done more than enough. They've said they have nothing to do with the sales, and that the scammer simply stole their image and pretended it was their own.
If anyone wants to deal with the scammer after seeing that... it truly is their own fault!
(Of course, if they don't see it it's a different matter... but hopefully the video continues to be disseminated around the web to warn anyone who might be contacted by this scammer)
Inquisitor S. wrote:
Tell him he never has to deal with it after that, but if he wants to help the greater community, it is important he put that out there at the least.
Message conveyed and invitation extended to come himself to the thread here - but it's really up to him, I am not going to press the issue.
This is true guys, and I do not want to pressure him unduly either, he doesn't owe anyone anything. That being said, he is in a very unique position. Mandelbaum kind of has to answer him. He can ignore everyone else, but if he wants to try and salvage BCS, then he has to answer this guy. That is a big deal, and no one will be able to call clearer attention to either proper or improper dealings than copying and pasting those questions.
He certainly doesn't need to help us, but, I would hope, given the support and vigilance he received from the community, that he would also find reward in doing us this generous favor too, in the interest of protecting his peers from further scamming.
I would happily meet in person with the guy running BCS. It says they are Los Angeles based and so am I. I asked on the site if I could show up in person to pay for and collect merchandise, one was deleted the other received no response from them.
Anyone with some free time wanna call up some shops and see if they've ever heard of this "Alan Welson"?
If he's been in the hobby for 20 years like he says, and commissioned locally then I guarantee someone there will have heard of him. LA Bunker(or rather hole in the wall) would be another place to call.
Hey there, Inquisitor s on warseer just pointed me to this thread in a pm so i joined up. Theres proof that its me and not some id stealing chump in the description box of my latest vid on youtube, the shapeways dilemma.
First, thanks to everyone here who had a hand in exposing bcs, the more he's exposed, the less people get screwed over.
secondly to bcs;
1. Can you show any in software 3D renders or the base geometry to prove you have the 3D files at the least and could have offerred the model if there had been no IP issues? This would help at least show you were capable of following through on your pre-orders and drastically minimize the appearance of outright fraud.
2. Can you please provide your business registration # and attendant info as demanded by US law.
3. Do you now publicly attest, that you are not, nor in any way involved with Daniel Mandelbaum or Stephanie Hernandez or any of their associated aliases.
4. Can you provide the phone numbers of local California hobby establishments that would be able to attest to your existence so that we can have some verification beyond your assurances in #3. Note, this will not give out any of your personal information, but since you attest to being part of the California scene for some time and worked in the hobby, it should be no problem to get a hold of someone, anyone who knows you out there and is themselves a verifiable employee or known person at the locations you specify.
Thirdly If you do have my files, the only way you could of got them was through computer hacking, which is also illegal.
And you were going to mass produce it, all using gws warhound name. Which should interest the good folks over at Gw's legal department.
Kingcatwell wrote: Hey there, Inquisitor s on warseer just pointed me to this thread in a pm so i joined up. Theres proof that its me and not some id stealing chump in the description box of my latest vid on youtube, the shapeways dilemma.
First, thanks to everyone here who had a hand in exposing bcs, the more he's exposed, the less people get screwed over.
secondly to bcs;
1. Can you show any in software 3D renders or the base geometry to prove you have the 3D files at the least and could have offerred the model if there had been no IP issues? This would help at least show you were capable of following through on your pre-orders and drastically minimize the appearance of outright fraud.
2. Can you please provide your business registration # and attendant info as demanded by US law.
3. Do you now publicly attest, that you are not, nor in any way involved with Daniel Mandelbaum or Stephanie Hernandez or any of their associated aliases.
4. Can you provide the phone numbers of local California hobby establishments that would be able to attest to your existence so that we can have some verification beyond your assurances in #3. Note, this will not give out any of your personal information, but since you attest to being part of the California scene for some time and worked in the hobby, it should be no problem to get a hold of someone, anyone who knows you out there and is themselves a verifiable employee or known person at the locations you specify.
Thirdly If you do have my files, the only way you could of got them was through computer hacking, which is also illegal.
And you were going to mass produce it, all using gws warhound name. Which should interest the good folks over at Gw's legal department.
Cheers for taking the time to do this. It's much appreciated.
And enjoy Dakka?
I know I for one would be fascinated to see a P&M Blog on your modelling here.
Done. I have a screenshot of it but can't currently add it to this post due to work blocking me from photobucket.
Can't see your comment on his page. Can you see mine?
Hmmm it would appear the Lexicanum post is gone but mine is still there...
I can still see my own comment. If you can't see it it means he marked it as "spam" which means it's hidden from people not on my friendslist =only my friends can still see it.
Done. I have a screenshot of it but can't currently add it to this post due to work blocking me from photobucket.
Can't see your comment on his page. Can you see mine?
Hmmm it would appear the Lexicanum post is gone but mine is still there...
I can still see my own comment. If you can't see it it means he marked it as "spam" which means it's hidden from people not on my friendslist =only my friends can still see it.
Hmmm... I can't see any of it anymore. I am posting as Capture and Control not as myself, I am pretty sure Capture and Control follows Lexicanum on FB but that doesn't mean I can see the spam posts necessarily. I am not going to post as myself on anything doing with Mandlebonder.
Haha ok well i think thats the finishing blow hopefully.
All of this has fired up my anxiety levels , stomach feels like its being crushed since tuesday. Eugh. It ill be nice to move on.
I just posted to check the waters and it was deleted inside 60 seconds.
Its as transparently fraudulent as an email from your long lost uncle, a reverend from Djibouti with 14 million dollars in the bank and a desperate desire to send you half of it.
What an absolute scumbag. Would he not address my "is this page fraudulent?" question if he had nothing to hide, rather than deleting things so fast his mouse is liable to burst into flames and then banning me from the page?
Aerethan wrote: Aaaand, I'm banned. He's certainly online and checking it, as it took all of 1 minute for my post to get deleted and for him to ban me.
Danial, you mad bro?
I hope his fury and paranoia drive him to spend time searching for my real name to ban that account too. Just so I know he wasted the time.
He also deleted my comments now and banned me Proven guilty as said. Looking forward how he'll stay there for the the next lot of hours banning people and deleting comments
I've been silent most the day without my opinion but it definitely is DM.
I was contacted directly by the RF account by Daniel shortly after this thread began, which I was assured he had no access to when I worked for them.
The rash behaviour of deleting comments and banning people instead of responding and answering the questions and requests for proof of identity show that the business is not operating legally. I'm sure we have some members here with legal knowledge and could contact proper authorities. I will be heading to the tax office tomorrow for my own business needs and inquire about the proper procedure to report a business that is operating illegally and avoiding taxes.
What a coward, honestly. Spread the word people, Daniel Mandelbaum is back and looking to add another chapter of cowardice and thievery to his long and pathetic story.
And because a certain individual just doesn't seem to get it:
Alpharius wrote: I have nothing to do with this, and truly want nothing more to do with Daniel Mandelbaum EVER.
Every time a thread on Dakka Dakka starts about his latest venture, he begins harassing me over the phone and calling at all hours, making vague threats.
I don't care to hear anything he has to say, ever.
Maybe he thinks I owe him something because he finally paid me back after years of having to chase him down for all that he owed me?
To be clear:
1) I owe him nothing.
2) I am reporting him to the authorities each and every time he calls from now on, and I suggest all of you do too.
Just remember to save every time he calls you. If he leaves you a voicemail save it so when you go to the authorities you have proof of harassment.
I'd also like to add, if you have an iPhone there are apps that record calls. I put one on my phone to record any calls I receive from Daniel.
See, Although I think MandelKimbirdforge should be brought to the attention of potential customers, and the community has come together to help prevent further scams and in a timely manner, I have to say that with her own fanpage she should be allowed to delete any negativity she feels might detract fromthe point of her page, which is conversions, fluff etc.
As long as Mandlebirdsteph isn't trying to sell any of his conversions on the fanpage, The mod should be able to deal with it how she likes (Even though I wouldn't handle it that way myself personally)
HOWEVER, I think she should keep an open mind and maybe listen to the people on her page and possibly look at some of the evidence before deleting it all.
The only thing that worries me is him potentially bringing new customers to his studio page via the link at the bottom of the posts he's making
Sorry Alf but that is preposterous. They don't want to deal with it so they delete warnings about a known scammer in their midst and let their members be potentially victimized?
Just thought I'd point it out due to the thousands of people exposed to the picture linking to his website and myself being the only person to point out the potential risks.
MajorTom11 wrote: Sorry Alf but that is preposterous. They don't want to deal with it so they delete warnings about a known scammer in their midst and let their members be potentially victimized?
Ya that makes tons of sense.
No need to tell me my words are preposterous, because it makes sense. Look at it this way, you have a website dedicated to modding cars, people post their kits, their mods, their upgrades, etc... Then some guy that has been posting on your website for more than 12 hours (feth if I know) and he starts posting his own conversion work that he's not selling about a car that he's building from the pieces of another car to get something completely different, doesn't mention selling it, doesn't mention where you can get it, is just posting pictures of it (have you seen the Word Bearers Preaching thing being "up for sale" or for a client?), and then someone comes along and say, "hey this guy is a scammer, look here, here, and here, he's touting someone's plans as his own to get money." How would you react? There is just as much validity to the random person's words as the person that is just posting conversions. Not everyone has your fantastic evidence that it's Mandelbaum. The people in this thread that don't get harassed by Mandelbaum only have your word to go off of...
Even a cursory google search of the name Daniel Mandelbaum would give anyone enough information to make a decently sound decision and go, "I don't want to fething deal with that." How Sami Lynn and JoAnne Smith run their page is up to them. You can't get indignant at me because I offered a sound opinion as to how two people not involved choose to run their page.
Mandelbaum is scum, people can choose to read what has been posted here over and over, ad infinitum ad nauseum, or they can stick their fingers in their eyes and go, "lalalala I can't hear you" and choose to ignore it because it doesn't concern them.
Any person with enough skill to work a computer can google "Black Crusade Studio" and get 4 out of the top 5 results are, "Black Crusade Studio Warhound Scam". If you google his 'paypal' gmail of his stuido name as a single word at gmail.com you get Kingcatwell's video. Like The information is out there, and someone, anyone, can choose to deal with it how they wish. If Sami and JoAnne wish to keep their page about conversions, then fething let them, just like you keep this thread about Mandelbaum
Good for you Alf. Obviously the only reason not to trust that guy is that I said it is Mandelbaum. Nothing else is fishy going on at all.
By the way, and this is the last time I'm going to tell you, watch your tone. That was unnecessarily aggressive at best. If you and the people who run that site don't want to deal with it, then don't. But don't be surprised if other people find it an odd and potentially dangerous decision and speak up only to avoid seeing anyone get in a jam. Or do you always yell at people trying to warn you a car thief is hanging out on your street and staring at your wheels?
Ignoring the semantics, it seems obvious to most that this is DM. He pushes a product, which he has no intention of delivering, takes money, fails to deliver and then disappears, only to crop up again a short time later. How many are taken in by this scam? A couple? A few dozen? Hundreds? I've no idea, but if he continues to do it, even if he's being spotted early, it must be profitable. BCS is still going now so presumably bank details are still being exchanged. It's got to stop. Who has jurisdiction? Local police? Wider? I've no idea. If people are being scammed, or suspect a scam is being set up, who do they report it to?
The really mind-boggling part about this, again, is it just seems like it would be so much easier to just make the conversions and sell them instead carefully orchestrating these elaborate scams.
The problem with posting a "warning" page on Facebook is you potentially leave yourself open to DM getting you into trouble for harrassment/etc (ironic I know)... as Yak said in the last thread he posted in the subject responding to the C&D sent over from Germany, it is just not worth the potential bother, even if nothing DM says would ever stand up against the weight of evidence if it came to courts etc...
Can you post a warning page against "Matthew Bonder" on Facebook? It can have all the pertinent info, but since MB is an alias, not a real person, DM would have to admit to using an alias to have it taken down, and I believe aliases (the way he used one) are illegal, right? If he requests a takedown notice, he admits openly to having broken the law. If he lets it stay up, people have full access to his past crimes. Either way...the community wins, and he loses, right?
timetowaste85 wrote: Can you post a warning page against "Matthew Bonder" on Facebook? It can have all the pertinent info, but since MB is an alias, not a real person, DM would have to admit to using an alias to have it taken down, and I believe aliases (the way he used one) are illegal, right? If he requests a takedown notice, he admits openly to having broken the law. If he lets it stay up, people have full access to his past crimes. Either way...the community wins, and he loses, right?
Not necessarily, likely FB will still take it down. Much like google, they kneejerk warnings. More often than not the complaint button never gets seen by a human, and so the page will get taken down if DM complains anyway.
timetowaste85 wrote: Can you post a warning page against "Matthew Bonder" on Facebook? It can have all the pertinent info, but since MB is an alias, not a real person, DM would have to admit to using an alias to have it taken down, and I believe aliases (the way he used one) are illegal, right? If he requests a takedown notice, he admits openly to having broken the law. If he lets it stay up, people have full access to his past crimes. Either way...the community wins, and he loses, right?
Not necessarily, likely FB will still take it down. Much like google, they kneejerk warnings. More often than not the complaint button never gets seen by a human, and so the page will get taken down if DM complains anyway.
If that were true then why is his current page still up after all the reports it's gotten?
timetowaste85 wrote: Can you post a warning page against "Matthew Bonder" on Facebook? It can have all the pertinent info, but since MB is an alias, not a real person, DM would have to admit to using an alias to have it taken down, and I believe aliases (the way he used one) are illegal, right? If he requests a takedown notice, he admits openly to having broken the law. If he lets it stay up, people have full access to his past crimes. Either way...the community wins, and he loses, right?
Not necessarily, likely FB will still take it down. Much like google, they kneejerk warnings. More often than not the complaint button never gets seen by a human, and so the page will get taken down if DM complains anyway.
If that were true then why is his current page still up after all the reports it's gotten?
He donates for the advertisement space. Why do you think FB hasn't gotten involved? It's someone donating money to them vs people who aren't.
He donates for the advertisement space. Why do you think FB hasn't gotten involved? It's someone donating money to them vs people who aren't.
Or, as much as all the circumstantial evidence and BCS' own highly questionable behaviour paint a very unfavourable picture of it all, innocent until proven guilty, as we liked to call it in the olden days.
Tyranidcrusher wrote: I have proof to believe that He's been watching this thread and others, Just saying.
So do I, since he still hasn't got it through his head to stop calling my house.
What do you mean Calling your House? like Phoning your Home?
Yeah, Mandelbaum has a habit of calling Alpharius (whom was owed money and models by Mandelbaum) whenever his scam gets brought out into the open. Just look through the last thread from May/June/July of this year, filter the thread down to Alpharius and you'll see, the dude makes a habit of this, much to the annoyance of anyone that has given his/her number to Mandelbaum in the past :-\
Tyranidcrusher wrote: Is that Legal? Aren't there Harassment laws against it or something?
Mhm, but that requires a lot of hassle and work to pull off. Mandelbaum banks on his targets not phoning the police due to the unnecessary stress filing harassment charges can put on someone over toy soldiers and converted man dollies.
As a bit of an update: Mandelbaum is looking to make a quick getaway it seems with this thing. I was talking with him last night about potentially purchasing one of the titans, he said he was stuck with 3 of them and was trying to sell the whole lot for 700 (for 3 titans + arms/weapons and any additional details you might be interested in). Note: These were titans that had 1) not been printed yet, and 2) had not been "shipped off to the printers" so idk how/why he was stuck with 3 titans that hadn't been created yet. The thing that concerned me as a "potential customer" was that I was only showing interest in 1 titan, and he kept going on about how he wanted to just be rid of these things but was only concerned with the upsell to get me to get 3 titans.
As a bit of an update: Mandelbaum is looking to make a quick getaway it seems with this thing. I was talking with him last night about potentially purchasing one of the titans, he said he was stuck with 3 of them and was trying to sell the whole lot for 700 (for 3 titans + arms/weapons and any additional details you might be interested in). Note: These were titans that had 1) not been printed yet, and 2) had not been "shipped off to the printers" so idk how/why he was stuck with 3 titans that hadn't been created yet. The thing that concerned me as a "potential customer" was that I was only showing interest in 1 titan, and he kept going on about how he wanted to just be rid of these things but was only concerned with the upsell to get me to get 3 titans.
Yeah, he is trying to make a quick buck on it. This from a reader of my page:
I have been talking with someone from BCS for about 15 minutes now...whomever it is is really determined to get me to buy a Titan. But after asking about Mandelbaum, I didn't get banned or anything. Surprising.
9 hours ago
Tyranidcrusher wrote: Is that Legal? Aren't there Harassment laws against it or something?
Mhm, but that requires a lot of hassle and work to pull off. Mandelbaum banks on his targets not phoning the police due to the unnecessary stress filing harassment charges can put on someone over toy soldiers and converted man dollies.
As a bit of an update: Mandelbaum is looking to make a quick getaway it seems with this thing. I was talking with him last night about potentially purchasing one of the titans, he said he was stuck with 3 of them and was trying to sell the whole lot for 700 (for 3 titans + arms/weapons and any additional details you might be interested in). Note: These were titans that had 1) not been printed yet, and 2) had not been "shipped off to the printers" so idk how/why he was stuck with 3 titans that hadn't been created yet. The thing that concerned me as a "potential customer" was that I was only showing interest in 1 titan, and he kept going on about how he wanted to just be rid of these things but was only concerned with the upsell to get me to get 3 titans.
This was in a private message between BCS and myself as one cannot "ban" and "delete" messages from a chat. It'd take me some time to get the whole thing, but I could screenshot it.
As a bit of an update: Mandelbaum is looking to make a quick getaway it seems with this thing. I was talking with him last night about potentially purchasing one of the titans, he said he was stuck with 3 of them and was trying to sell the whole lot for 700 (for 3 titans + arms/weapons and any additional details you might be interested in). Note: These were titans that had 1) not been printed yet, and 2) had not been "shipped off to the printers" so idk how/why he was stuck with 3 titans that hadn't been created yet. The thing that concerned me as a "potential customer" was that I was only showing interest in 1 titan, and he kept going on about how he wanted to just be rid of these things but was only concerned with the upsell to get me to get 3 titans.
Yeah, he is trying to make a quick buck on it. This from a reader of my page:
I have been talking with someone from BCS for about 15 minutes now...whomever it is is really determined to get me to buy a Titan. But after asking about Mandelbaum, I didn't get banned or anything. Surprising.
9 hours ago
Yeah, I've not been Banned or Blocked or anything.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, the Facebook page seems to be most popular in Mexico City.... Are there lots of Wargamers in Mexico City? This does remind me of the Vice article on Facebook pages using "Fake Likes"
They're fake. He did the same thing with RF... something like 2000 likes, he only ever had like 20-30 actual comments/likes on content. His likes went up by hundreds while he was in the middle of being exposed and talking about scam risks on his page... one wonders right lol?
To give some perspective, Big Bad, the creator of the Warhound design stolen, has 60 likes on his FB page. This was the single nicest thing on BCS, and somehow he has 700+ in less than 6 weeks?
I don't see how FaceBook make money from scam sites. They aren't a trading site like eBay or Kickstarter and don't take any money from that sales that someone like Black Crusade Studio does.
And Tom is correct. His page likes are fake. A small percentage is made up of real people who were duped into believing him to be running a real page.
You mean faithful suicide posters who come running to give their online reputation to defend Mandelbaum's brood on forums or other pages
I don't see how FaceBook make money from scam sites. They aren't a trading site like eBay or Kickstarter and don't take any money from that sales that someone like Black Crusade Studio does.
FB makes money by taking the money scammers spend on "promoting" their posts and paying for advertisment space.
Kilkrazy wrote: Do you have to pay to post things on Facebook? I never have.
I don't see any adverts for Black Crusade.
For personal accounts no, but for businesses or celeb or fan pages yes. Facebook limits how many fans get updates or messages and asks you to pay to promote. Its been going on for some time and the model keeps expanding, you can basically throw money at them and they will dump your post/ad/whatever to peoples feeds.
I did not see for BCS, but I seem to remember to have sen for RF. Although in all fairness it could also have been a "Like suggestion" based on other pages you like - don't know if you pay for that. As to promting posts: what the others said.
Kilkrazy wrote: Most of BCS's "likers" are fake accounts anyway. Why would he pay to send posts to them?
See you're trying to use people logic. DM uses Mandelogic, which we've established has 2+2=quack.
I think at this point we should just add Daniel Mendelbaum to the DM term dictionary (the yellow pop-out text definitions). Also that post had me fall off my chair with laughter, exalted.
As a bit of an update: Mandelbaum is looking to make a quick getaway it seems with this thing. I was talking with him last night about potentially purchasing one of the titans, he said he was stuck with 3 of them and was trying to sell the whole lot for 700 (for 3 titans + arms/weapons and any additional details you might be interested in). Note: These were titans that had 1) not been printed yet, and 2) had not been "shipped off to the printers" so idk how/why he was stuck with 3 titans that hadn't been created yet. The thing that concerned me as a "potential customer" was that I was only showing interest in 1 titan, and he kept going on about how he wanted to just be rid of these things but was only concerned with the upsell to get me to get 3 titans.
Yeah, he is trying to make a quick buck on it. This from a reader of my page:
I have been talking with someone from BCS for about 15 minutes now...whomever it is is really determined to get me to buy a Titan. But after asking about Mandelbaum, I didn't get banned or anything. Surprising.
9 hours ago
I'm still sure than Daniel Mandelbaum's behaviour is borderline sociopathic, which is why I think the jokey contributions to the thread don't help, it feeds his need for attention, as he's clearly watching. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition (DSM-IV-TR), defines ASPD (in Axis II Cluster B) as:
A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following:
- failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest; - deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure; - impulsivity or failure to plan ahead; - irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults; - reckless disregard for safety of self or others; - consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations; - lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;
B) The individual is at least age 18 years.
C) There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.
D) The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or a manic episode.
Obviously breaks the the law consistently committing illegal acts, they're just low-level so it's hard to get the authorities to trouble themselves with him. But we know he has a criminal record. He's a habitual liar and creator of false identities to steal and defraud. His schemes involve him winging it and making it up as he goes, there's nothing clever about what he does and he just makes up his stories as he goes which is why he's easily caught out. But the made up dead wife and child stories are just creepy and lacking any empathy or scruple. He is very aggressive with abuse, threats and harassing people over the phone and through their workplace. He take no responsibility for his actions, and hiding behind his wife or other family, which leads to his inability to honour most commitments and return that money and models which he has defrauded. And he clearly has no remorse, as he does it again and again. He's well into adulthood, so isn't a child and has been behaving this way for many years, which rather excludes the possibility of it being anything other than a long term condition.
This is why people shouldn't give him their contact details or any personal details, and why the true owner of this titan model is wise not to do so.
Kilkrazy wrote: I don't see how FaceBook make money from scam sites. They aren't a trading site like eBay or Kickstarter and don't take any money from that sales that someone like Black Crusade Studio does.
Facebook itself tried to scam its users several times, e.g. when secretly trying to aquire the copyright of all their users uploaded photos or selling user profiles from all websites with a facebookj like button. Several times, law enforcement and/or user protest stopped them, but not always. So as a professional scammer itself, facebook is probably quite liberal to other scammers until forced to intervene.
Kilkrazy wrote: Do you have to pay to post things on Facebook? I never have.
I don't see any adverts for Black Crusade.
You pay Facebook for ads to promote your page and increase your "likes". For most industries these ads are a waste of time, they are better off going with Google Adwords.
You can also purchase starter sites that already have thousands of "likes". You know all those posts that say "If you want to support this three-year old girl fighting cancer, 'like' this post", or "Most people think 2+2=5, post the real answer if you know it!", all those likes promote a site that can be sold off, or benefit an existing site that stole the pic of the three-year old patient off the interwebz. That's how sites mysteriously gain thousands of likes in a short time.
(I work in the webz industry, and need to explain to my clients why they shouldn't touch these tactics with a 10-foot Purel-soaked barge pole. Pity me. )
Zweischneid wrote: Internet remote medical diagnosis of a person who hasn't even been linked to BCS beyond vague incriminations seems ... weird.
Vague? Have you read this thread? Even before Major Tom's confirmation, the signs were very clear.
And as someone, who privately had to deal with a few people of that diagnosis, I can say that this is exactly how someone of that kind would react.
Zweischneid wrote: Internet remote medical diagnosis of a person who hasn't even been linked to BCS beyond vague incriminations seems ... weird.
Vague? Have you read this thread? Even before Major Tom's confirmation, the signs were very clear.
And as someone, who privately had to deal with a few people of that diagnosis, I can say that this is exactly how someone of that kind would react.
Tom's "confirmation" is still not validated by any other source or hard evidence. And the signs were clear for people coming from the previous Daniel Mandelbaum thread, looking to continue the bashing (which I only came upon through the BCS discussion).
Seriously, if it is (!) a clinical condition, it would significantly reduce the probability of BCS being Daniel Mandelbaum, since it would simply fit the pattern associated with said clinical condition, which many people would suffer from.
If, in contrast, the behaviour displayed by BCS is unique to Daniel Mandelbaum to the degree that the connection is incontrovertible, it wouldn't be a clinical condition, since it is behaviour unique to one individual.
Your posts doesn't make sense. The evidence for BCS being Mandelbaum isn't based on any diagnosis, the evidence comes from elsewhere. I'm merely pointing out that every time we run into mandelbaum his behaviour is the same and has been consistently displaying all these traits for numerous years.
A bit angry that this actually happened.
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