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As a bit of an update: Mandelbaum is looking to make a quick getaway it seems with this thing. I was talking with him last night about potentially purchasing one of the titans, he said he was stuck with 3 of them and was trying to sell the whole lot for 700 (for 3 titans + arms/weapons and any additional details you might be interested in). Note: These were titans that had 1) not been printed yet, and 2) had not been "shipped off to the printers" so idk how/why he was stuck with 3 titans that hadn't been created yet. The thing that concerned me as a "potential customer" was that I was only showing interest in 1 titan, and he kept going on about how he wanted to just be rid of these things but was only concerned with the upsell to get me to get 3 titans.

Yeah, he is trying to make a quick buck on it. This from a reader of my page:

I have been talking with someone from BCS for about 15 minutes now...whomever it is is really determined to get me to buy a Titan. But after asking about Mandelbaum, I didn't get banned or anything. Surprising.
9 hours ago

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Tyranidcrusher wrote:
Is that Legal? Aren't there Harassment laws against it or something?

Mhm, but that requires a lot of hassle and work to pull off. Mandelbaum banks on his targets not phoning the police due to the unnecessary stress filing harassment charges can put on someone over toy soldiers and converted man dollies.

As a bit of an update: Mandelbaum is looking to make a quick getaway it seems with this thing. I was talking with him last night about potentially purchasing one of the titans, he said he was stuck with 3 of them and was trying to sell the whole lot for 700 (for 3 titans + arms/weapons and any additional details you might be interested in). Note: These were titans that had 1) not been printed yet, and 2) had not been "shipped off to the printers" so idk how/why he was stuck with 3 titans that hadn't been created yet. The thing that concerned me as a "potential customer" was that I was only showing interest in 1 titan, and he kept going on about how he wanted to just be rid of these things but was only concerned with the upsell to get me to get 3 titans.

Where was this? BC's Facebook page?

This was in a private message between BCS and myself as one cannot "ban" and "delete" messages from a chat. It'd take me some time to get the whole thing, but I could screenshot it.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

As a bit of an update: Mandelbaum is looking to make a quick getaway it seems with this thing. I was talking with him last night about potentially purchasing one of the titans, he said he was stuck with 3 of them and was trying to sell the whole lot for 700 (for 3 titans + arms/weapons and any additional details you might be interested in). Note: These were titans that had 1) not been printed yet, and 2) had not been "shipped off to the printers" so idk how/why he was stuck with 3 titans that hadn't been created yet. The thing that concerned me as a "potential customer" was that I was only showing interest in 1 titan, and he kept going on about how he wanted to just be rid of these things but was only concerned with the upsell to get me to get 3 titans.

Yeah, he is trying to make a quick buck on it. This from a reader of my page:

I have been talking with someone from BCS for about 15 minutes now...whomever it is is really determined to get me to buy a Titan. But after asking about Mandelbaum, I didn't get banned or anything. Surprising.
9 hours ago

Yeah, I've not been Banned or Blocked or anything.


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Also, the Facebook page seems to be most popular in Mexico City.... Are there lots of Wargamers in Mexico City? This does remind me of the Vice article on Facebook pages using "Fake Likes"

They're fake. He did the same thing with RF... something like 2000 likes, he only ever had like 20-30 actual comments/likes on content. His likes went up by hundreds while he was in the middle of being exposed and talking about scam risks on his page... one wonders right lol?

To give some perspective, Big Bad, the creator of the Warhound design stolen, has 60 likes on his FB page. This was the single nicest thing on BCS, and somehow he has 700+ in less than 6 weeks?

Yeah.

And I thought, scams are still the economic basis of facebook, even if most are now cancelled by law enforcement.

Facebook loves protecting scammers. It's sort of like their unwritten motto.
"Buy advertising, scam as many people as you want!"

And Tom is correct. His page likes are fake. A small percentage is made up of real people who were duped into believing him to be running a real page.

I don't see how FaceBook make money from scam sites. They aren't a trading site like eBay or Kickstarter and don't take any money from that sales that someone like Black Crusade Studio does.

And Tom is correct. His page likes are fake. A small percentage is made up of real people who were duped into believing him to be running a real page.

You mean faithful suicide posters who come running to give their online reputation to defend Mandelbaum's brood on forums or other pages

I don't see how FaceBook make money from scam sites. They aren't a trading site like eBay or Kickstarter and don't take any money from that sales that someone like Black Crusade Studio does.

FB makes money by taking the money scammers spend on "promoting" their posts and paying for advertisment space.

Do you have to pay to post things on Facebook? I never have.
I don't see any adverts for Black Crusade.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Do you have to pay to post things on Facebook? I never have.
I don't see any adverts for Black Crusade.

A page has to pay for the full set of 'likers' to see the post, otherwise only about 20% of them will see it.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Do you have to pay to post things on Facebook? I never have.
I don't see any adverts for Black Crusade.

For personal accounts no, but for businesses or celeb or fan pages yes. Facebook limits how many fans get updates or messages and asks you to pay to promote. Its been going on for some time and the model keeps expanding, you can basically throw money at them and they will dump your post/ad/whatever to peoples feeds.

I don't see any adverts for Black Crusade.

I did not see for BCS, but I seem to remember to have sen for RF. Although in all fairness it could also have been a "Like suggestion" based on other pages you like - don't know if you pay for that. As to promting posts: what the others said.

Homygod, what a beast! Very cool of you to alert people you don't even know or met!

Most of BCS's "likers" are fake accounts anyway. Why would he pay to send posts to them?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Most of BCS's "likers" are fake accounts anyway. Why would he pay to send posts to them?

See you're trying to use people logic. DM uses Mandelogic, which we've established has 2+2=quack.

 Aerethan wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Most of BCS's "likers" are fake accounts anyway. Why would he pay to send posts to them?

See you're trying to use people logic. DM uses Mandelogic, which we've established has 2+2=quack.

This would make a brilliant sig. Exalted!

Goddam it that's my trademark lol!

 Aerethan wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Most of BCS's "likers" are fake accounts anyway. Why would he pay to send posts to them?

See you're trying to use people logic. DM uses Mandelogic, which we've established has 2+2=quack.

I think at this point we should just add Daniel Mendelbaum to the DM term dictionary (the yellow pop-out text definitions). Also that post had me fall off my chair with laughter, exalted.

 Aerethan wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Most of BCS's "likers" are fake accounts anyway. Why would he pay to send posts to them?

See you're trying to use people logic. DM uses Mandelogic, which we've established has 2+2=quack.

I laughed so hard. Exalted too.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

As a bit of an update: Mandelbaum is looking to make a quick getaway it seems with this thing. I was talking with him last night about potentially purchasing one of the titans, he said he was stuck with 3 of them and was trying to sell the whole lot for 700 (for 3 titans + arms/weapons and any additional details you might be interested in). Note: These were titans that had 1) not been printed yet, and 2) had not been "shipped off to the printers" so idk how/why he was stuck with 3 titans that hadn't been created yet. The thing that concerned me as a "potential customer" was that I was only showing interest in 1 titan, and he kept going on about how he wanted to just be rid of these things but was only concerned with the upsell to get me to get 3 titans.

Yeah, he is trying to make a quick buck on it. This from a reader of my page:

I have been talking with someone from BCS for about 15 minutes now...whomever it is is really determined to get me to buy a Titan. But after asking about Mandelbaum, I didn't get banned or anything. Surprising.
9 hours ago

I reckon he'll be the ghost in the next episode.

I'm still sure than Daniel Mandelbaum's behaviour is borderline sociopathic, which is why I think the jokey contributions to the thread don't help, it feeds his need for attention, as he's clearly watching.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

Antisocial personality disorder wrote:Diagnosis - DSM-IV-TR

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition (DSM-IV-TR), defines ASPD (in Axis II Cluster B) as:


A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following:

- failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
- deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
- impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
- irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
- reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
- consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
- lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;

B) The individual is at least age 18 years.

C) There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.

D) The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or a manic episode.

Obviously breaks the the law consistently committing illegal acts, they're just low-level so it's hard to get the authorities to trouble themselves with him. But we know he has a criminal record. He's a habitual liar and creator of false identities to steal and defraud. His schemes involve him winging it and making it up as he goes, there's nothing clever about what he does and he just makes up his stories as he goes which is why he's easily caught out. But the made up dead wife and child stories are just creepy and lacking any empathy or scruple. He is very aggressive with abuse, threats and harassing people over the phone and through their workplace. He take no responsibility for his actions, and hiding behind his wife or other family, which leads to his inability to honour most commitments and return that money and models which he has defrauded. And he clearly has no remorse, as he does it again and again. He's well into adulthood, so isn't a child and has been behaving this way for many years, which rather excludes the possibility of it being anything other than a long term condition.

This is why people shouldn't give him their contact details or any personal details, and why the true owner of this titan model is wise not to do so.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I don't see how FaceBook make money from scam sites. They aren't a trading site like eBay or Kickstarter and don't take any money from that sales that someone like Black Crusade Studio does.

Facebook itself tried to scam its users several times, e.g. when secretly trying to aquire the copyright of all their users uploaded photos or selling user profiles from all websites with a facebookj like button. Several times, law enforcement and/or user protest stopped them, but not always. So as a professional scammer itself, facebook is probably quite liberal to other scammers until forced to intervene.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Do you have to pay to post things on Facebook? I never have.
I don't see any adverts for Black Crusade.

You pay Facebook for ads to promote your page and increase your "likes". For most industries these ads are a waste of time, they are better off going with Google Adwords.

You can also purchase starter sites that already have thousands of "likes". You know all those posts that say "If you want to support this three-year old girl fighting cancer, 'like' this post", or "Most people think 2+2=5, post the real answer if you know it!", all those likes promote a site that can be sold off, or benefit an existing site that stole the pic of the three-year old patient off the interwebz. That's how sites mysteriously gain thousands of likes in a short time.

(I work in the webz industry, and need to explain to my clients why they shouldn't touch these tactics with a 10-foot Purel-soaked barge pole. Pity me. )

Not much activity on BCS, although he just posted a new pic of that WB conversion he is working on... likely to be sold to 16 people lol.

No one else has posted on his site or commented in 5-6 days... weird for 730 likes eh?

Keep the squeeze on boys, good work getting the word out to both individuals and other sites, I really appreciate that.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I'm still sure than Daniel Mandelbaum's behaviour is borderline sociopathic, which is why I think the jokey contributions to the thread don't help, it feeds his need for attention, as he's clearly watching.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

You can be a cheating scumbag without having Cheating Scumbag Syndrome; I don't think it's any use to medicalise his behaviour.

Um, yeah.

Internet remote medical diagnosis of a person who hasn't even been linked to BCS beyond vague incriminations seems ... weird.

Sites like BCS are a blight , but this thread about it is bringing out some really creepy and unsettling aspects of Dakka as well.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Internet remote medical diagnosis of a person who hasn't even been linked to BCS beyond vague incriminations seems ... weird.

Vague? Have you read this thread? Even before Major Tom's confirmation, the signs were very clear.
And as someone, who privately had to deal with a few people of that diagnosis, I can say that this is exactly how someone of that kind would react.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
Internet remote medical diagnosis of a person who hasn't even been linked to BCS beyond vague incriminations seems ... weird.

Vague? Have you read this thread? Even before Major Tom's confirmation, the signs were very clear.
And as someone, who privately had to deal with a few people of that diagnosis, I can say that this is exactly how someone of that kind would react.

Tom's "confirmation" is still not validated by any other source or hard evidence. And the signs were clear for people coming from the previous Daniel Mandelbaum thread, looking to continue the bashing (which I only came upon through the BCS discussion).

Seriously, if it is (!) a clinical condition, it would significantly reduce the probability of BCS being Daniel Mandelbaum, since it would simply fit the pattern associated with said clinical condition, which many people would suffer from.

If, in contrast, the behaviour displayed by BCS is unique to Daniel Mandelbaum to the degree that the connection is incontrovertible, it wouldn't be a clinical condition, since it is behaviour unique to one individual.

Your posts doesn't make sense. The evidence for BCS being Mandelbaum isn't based on any diagnosis, the evidence comes from elsewhere. I'm merely pointing out that every time we run into mandelbaum his behaviour is the same and has been consistently displaying all these traits for numerous years.