GW did Sisters and Custodes rules which were Unbound on the basis they're not common in 40K....
...Yeah, see, that excuse works for a special scenario, or an event game, not the provision of rules that let you use something anytime, anywhere.
No. Just stop with that bad bad logic.
If you want to go THAT route then almost nobody should be playing marines. They should be playing guard. Because in a universe of trillions of people and millions of conflicts, Marine intervention would so infrequent as to almost never happen.
And that would be absolute for the game.
So stop. This is fine. We have more options to play, people are happy playing with their new toys and that makes the hobby stronger.
GW did Sisters and Custodes rules which were Unbound on the basis they're not common in 40K....
...Yeah, see, that excuse works for a special scenario, or an event game, not the provision of rules that let you use something anytime, anywhere.
No. Just stop with that bad bad logic.
If you want to go THAT route then almost nobody should be playing marines. They should be playing guard. Because in a universe of trillions of people and millions of conflicts, Marine intervention would so infrequent as to almost never happen.
And that would be absolute for the game.
So stop. This is fine. We have more options to play, people are happy playing with their new toys and that makes the hobby stronger.
I would say the chance of Space Marine intervention is much larger than Custodes intervention, even if SM deployment chances are slim.
Either way, GW has focused on giving freedom to the player for quite some time, slowly lifting restrictions on what exactly you can take with you to a game. I'm all for playing authentically and playing with a big lore drive, but sometimes people just want to have fun with a little bit of everything they collect. And they should be allowed to do that.
My set should be arriving sometime this coming week, I am building a squad of ten mk IV marines from the calth set though. I was hoping to use them to bolster the options for the BoP game. Build them with special weapons and stuff so I have all the options for both sides. The missile launcher is a no no apparently, I am not sure how to build these guys yet though. Maybe i'll hold on to them and get a set of achean or thousand sons FW bits to make an elite looking squad. Or make 5 TS and 5 SW to break up the monotony of all mk III armor in the set.
I am also mixing mine with B@C. I now have two boxes of each, and will be building my Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors. I am thinking of adding a third box of BoP just so I can theme it specifically for the game within the box.
Also Iron Warriors and (according to FW's upgrade kits) World Eaters.
For MKV the answer is, again, World Eaters according to Jess Goodwin with the old sketches done for the Chaos Legions.
Upon thinking about it though the last 2 boxes have tied into FWs books. Betrayal at Calth came out about 6 months after Horus Heresy Book 5: Tempest (which detailed the events of the Battle for Calth) and now the Burning of Prospero coming out 3-4 months before Book 7: Inferno. No doubt the next box will continue this trend, which would probably rule out a Dark Angels vs Night Lords box as iirc Alan Bligh has said they aren't going to be doing a book based on the Thramas Crusade directly after Inferno.
I'd imagine we'll find out what they're doing next Book-wise for sure in February though, even if it's just a vague "it's based on these events" or "it features these legions and forces predominately in the background".
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Also Iron Warriors and (according to FW's upgrade kits) World Eaters.
For MKV the answer is, again, World Eaters according to Jess Goodwin with the old sketches done for the Chaos Legions.
Upon thinking about it though the last 2 boxes have tied into FWs books. Betrayal at Calth came out about 6 months after Horus Heresy Book 5: Tempest (which detailed the events of the Battle for Calth) and now the Burning of Prospero coming out 3-4 months before Book 7: Inferno. No doubt the next box will continue this trend, which would probably rule out a Dark Angels vs Night Lords box as iirc Alan Bligh has said they aren't going to be doing a book based on the Thramas Crusade directly after Inferno.
World Eaters are one of those legions that look good with any armor though, I remember always liking the art of them in the collected visions book...particularly the sleek assault marines. Mk II happens to be my favorite armor so I definitely want to see it in plastic, even if its just a 10 man tactical squad on its own and not a boxed set. Is inferno really still several months away? Jeez...well at least I have plenty of time to save up money then.
Yup, unfortunately Inferno is pretty much guaranteed to be coming out around the same time as the next Weekender (in February) at the earliest. They were still proofreading it back when the Amsterdam Open Day was happening.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Aren't going to do that book at all, or aren't going to do it as the very next book?
Oh, and thanks for the answers guys. But no one heavily used MkV?
MkV nowadays is just a catch all term for various forms of field repaired/scavenged armour, unofficial parts etc.
'This ad-hoc assemblage of various armour mark segments (including new or unoffical design elements) being created by a multitude of legions resulted in an entirely new mark of armour being 'accidentally' created; these previously non-standard, emergency/stopgap designs were retroactively termed as the Mark V once production of the Mark IV was halted and the design for the subsequent Corvus Armour mark (Mark VI) was finalised.'
So it would have been around a lot in the heresy where the fighting was thickest.
clipping the sprues tonight, Ahriman is definitely the highlight of the box for me, even though i am a Space Wolves fan...
the model is just so well designed, and i really like how they have pushed the Egyptian influence...
the Tartaros Termies are even crisper in plastic than they are in resin...
the Sisters look great with their guns...
the star of the units in the box has got to be the Custodes, though...
the shield and banner are too cool not to build one, the leader's cloak is beautifully detailed, the Guardian Spear are awesome, and the armor looks very imposing...
if you don't like painting fine detail, the fine filigree on these guys will be a nightmare...
if, like me, fine detail is why you enjoy painting 28mm minis, you will enjoy these gorgeous models...
StupidYellow wrote: Perhaps they are seconded to the Astra Telepathica as their bodyguards?
If there's one place you absolutely don't want to put Sisters of Silence, it's around psykers you're not trying to harm.
It actually makes a kind of sense, seeing as the Sisters of Silence can just step aside when the Psykers' powers need to be utilized.
Remember that Pariahs(depending on whose writing them) aren't physically harmful even to Psykers. They prevent the usage of powers and are immune to the effects of said powers. Think of them not strictly as bodyguards but also as a Sword of Damocles.
They're a blade hanging over the psyker, if the psyker slips up...down comes the blade and off rolls the head.
NivlacSupreme wrote: I was talking about how one guy had to have his spear facing up. And the legs seem to have matching body's
In the same way that a Vanguard Veteran model will have a different style Chainsword to the next one - the hands and the Spears are separate to the actual arms, so making different poses will be easy.
The legs and torsos also function in the same way as you'd expect a plastic Space Marine to fit together
Tagony wrote: So I got my MK3 from BoP, and they are bigger than the mini's from BaC. Are the forgeworld MK3 that big too or is this just a BoP thing?
They aren't. At least not the regular marines.
The legs of the MK III is posed standing a bit more upright (Which is great. We've seen enough of marines in that silly semi-squatting pose to last us all at least three lifetimes) making them look a bit taller. And the thicker belt-thingy might make the MK III torso look slightly wider.
But they're absolutely in scale with each other and with the FW MK III. If anything the plastic MK IV looks a tad chunky next to FW resin MK IV.
According to the War of the Beast books they had fallen into decline and only one known Sect of them was going.
They only helped when they knew Vulcan was involved. Even then they basically thought the Imperium was fundamentally different from what they were originally fought for and basically didn't care if it fell.
They only helped because of Vulcan. They were mistrusted too as they still had a flying Rhino. I'm guessing by M32 technology had begun to become stagnated.
And yet, after that point we still have no idea what became of them. Sure, only one sect is left at that point, but perhaps they continued to exist in small numbers, serving the Imperium when needed, then disappearing again.
Works for me. Sounds a lot like the Legion of the Damned in some ways, who are almost-mythological amongst the Imperium's servants and so according to the fluff should be so rare you never get to... oh, wait. They've had rules since RT.
StupidYellow wrote: Perhaps they are seconded to the Astra Telepathica as their bodyguards?
If there's one place you absolutely don't want to put Sisters of Silence, it's around psykers you're not trying to harm.
It actually makes a kind of sense, seeing as the Sisters of Silence can just step aside when the Psykers' powers need to be utilized.
Remember that Pariahs(depending on whose writing them) aren't physically harmful even to Psykers. They prevent the usage of powers and are immune to the effects of said powers. Think of them not strictly as bodyguards but also as a Sword of Damocles.
They're a blade hanging over the psyker, if the psyker slips up...down comes the blade and off rolls the head.
Kanluwen wrote: Remember that Pariahs(depending on whose writing them) aren't physically harmful even to Psykers. They prevent the usage of powers and are immune to the effects of said powers. Think of them not strictly as bodyguards but also as a Sword of Damocles.
They're a blade hanging over the psyker, if the psyker slips up...down comes the blade and off rolls the head.
I like that theory and will happily run with it, as all psykers need a kill-button, but I took Pariahs as pretty bad to have in the near proximity of Psykers.
I am basing most of my reasoning on Jurgan of Commissar Cain fame, being too close to him caused one of Amberly Vail's pet psykers to go into an absolute fit due to pain.
While it might not be direct physical injury like a sword thrust I would think it is still a bad situation and would probably result in hearts bursting and brains frying from stress.
Though on the other hand the lady null from the Eisenhorn series was just disquieting and only physically painful when they were in actual physical contact, so you are supported by that in the variation.
Perhaps the effect is strengthened by the strength of the psyker? As i recall Gregor wasn't a particularly strong one.
Bah GW went for sales after all. But worse than that they also managed to do it in worse style of formations. Free rules with ZERO negatives.
Imagine if there was note you can use those squads in elite slot of SM/IG etc. Even then only idiot would NOT use formations. They have zero cost and only can get free rules.
AOS has only one saving grace rulewise and that's cost per formations.
StupidYellow wrote: Perhaps they are seconded to the Astra Telepathica as their bodyguards?
If there's one place you absolutely don't want to put Sisters of Silence, it's around psykers you're not trying to harm.
It actually makes a kind of sense, seeing as the Sisters of Silence can just step aside when the Psykers' powers need to be utilized.
Remember that Pariahs(depending on whose writing them) aren't physically harmful even to Psykers. They prevent the usage of powers and are immune to the effects of said powers. Think of them not strictly as bodyguards but also as a Sword of Damocles.
They're a blade hanging over the psyker, if the psyker slips up...down comes the blade and off rolls the head.
They might not kill them by being close but then again if you are trying to have psykers do something useful do you want to subject them to extreme uncomfortable? Even non-psykers will feel immediate distataste and uneasiness in front of pariah. Psykers suffer much worse(actually wasn't in Eisenhorn trilogy note of psyker actually passing out when pariah gene wielder came into same area).
Kinda hard to work if you are throwing up constantly!
tneva82 wrote: Bah GW went for sales after all. But worse than that they also managed to do it in worse style of formations. Free rules with ZERO negatives.
Imagine if there was note you can use those squads in elite slot of SM/IG etc. Even then only idiot would NOT use formations. They have zero cost and only can get free rules.
AOS has only one saving grace rulewise and that's cost per formations.
StupidYellow wrote: Perhaps they are seconded to the Astra Telepathica as their bodyguards?
If there's one place you absolutely don't want to put Sisters of Silence, it's around psykers you're not trying to harm.
It actually makes a kind of sense, seeing as the Sisters of Silence can just step aside when the Psykers' powers need to be utilized.
Remember that Pariahs(depending on whose writing them) aren't physically harmful even to Psykers. They prevent the usage of powers and are immune to the effects of said powers. Think of them not strictly as bodyguards but also as a Sword of Damocles.
They're a blade hanging over the psyker, if the psyker slips up...down comes the blade and off rolls the head.
They might not kill them by being close but then again if you are trying to have psykers do something useful do you want to subject them to extreme uncomfortable? Even non-psykers will feel immediate distataste and uneasiness in front of pariah. Psykers suffer much worse(actually wasn't in Eisenhorn trilogy note of psyker actually passing out when pariah gene wielder came into same area).
Kinda hard to work if you are throwing up constantly!
Literally everything you said in that first paragraph is hilariously wrong. 1. AoS is great actually and has a lot of good rules in it. 2. Formations mean they can actually be taken by the 80% of the population that plays battleforged and you have to take several units to get fairly small bonuses, 3. GW went for community feedback which is not necessarily WAAC power gamers out to ruin your 'immersion' but people who think thr models are cool and would like to play them, possibly even in tournament environments. That's not greed, that's being a bro. 4. being IN a codex is way better because then they could start inside rhinos ,Drop pods etc. 6++ is not THAT good.
ERJAK wrote: Literally everything you said in that first paragraph is hilariously wrong. 1. AoS is great actually and has a lot of good rules in it. 2. Formations mean they can actually be taken by the 80% of the population that plays battleforged and you have to take several units to get fairly small bonuses, 3. GW went for community feedback which is not necessarily WAAC power gamers out to ruin your 'immersion' but people who think thr models are cool and would like to play them, possibly even in tournament environments. That's not greed, that's being a bro. 4. being IN a codex is way better because then they could start inside rhinos ,Drop pods etc. 6++ is not THAT good.
Guess if you want to just roll dice with no strategy it's great...
And with formation the issue is that it's now FREE RULES with NO DISADVANTAGES!
When formations started coming in you got bonuses but had to give out something in return. Like have to take fixed units you might not take otherwise or have some sort of other restrictions.
In otherwords: Bonus was not free.
It's like having formation for every single unit in the game that just is 1-x units, then you get additional rules. Why take without formation?
Only saving grace AOS has rulewise is that it has point cost for formations. In otherwords it's not simply free bonuses for no gain. Now imagine another way they could have allowed them to be used in battle forged games:
"Any detachment that is armies of imperium may take custodes as elite choice".
See? Now imagine that the current formation would ALSO be usable. Who would be stupid enough to take them in elite slot? You don't get any benefit. Formation is either same result as before or free rules. Only idiot would take them in elite slot then.
That's the issue. It's free rules with no disadvantage. Most of formations in 40k at least have SOME sort of price tag(to get free rhino's you have to at least pay the tax of PA marines etc) but this has ZERO DISADVANTAGE WHATSOEVER.
Any formation that has minimum requirement of unit itself with zero restriction that offers bonuses is inheritently flawed. Those rules might have been just as well been incorporated into the unit's rules themselves.
Allowing players to field in battle forged. Fine. But by giving them formation that's just free rules with no disadvantages is pretty much worst way possible GW could have done it.
Now this isn't only case where this is(riptide wing, eldar wraithlord etc) but it's annoying to see how GW designers can't learn from mistakes. Especially as blatant as this one. They could have archieved battle forge usability in oh so many ways but instead they chose the very worst way to do it.
My BoP set should arrive today ... already did some test paintings for Thousand Sons using Calth MKIV Armor and I like the paint scheme. Guess I will wind up painting some more TS besides Ahriman.
Picked up my Prospero two days ago (no extra sprues darn it! ) and damn, the Custodes were a bit bigger than the other models, sure. But building one and putting it alongside a Tartaros Terminator and Mk. III Astartes.. he's a big fether!
H.B.M.C. wrote: Hell when formations first showed up they were Apoc-only and you had to pay points for the bonus abilities. Making them free was a bad idea.
I agree with you there H.B.M.C. I never understood why it was such a bad thing to have to pay for formation bonuses. That may even make some of the lesser used formations viable. "Well, the 4+ cover save formation is an extra 100 points, but I can run this Stealth formation for 40, so I guess I'll go that route."
But I digress. I'm still trying to figure out if it would be fluffie for me to build my TS out of Calth marines or Propsero marines. Geez!
I'm hoping 8th will adopt AoS' formation rules in that they cost points and the army still has to adhere to the force org chart (the part that everyone seems to forget to mention).
H.B.M.C. wrote: Hell when formations first showed up they were Apoc-only and you had to pay points for the bonus abilities. Making them free was a bad idea.
I agree with you there H.B.M.C. I never understood why it was such a bad thing to have to pay for formation bonuses. That may even make some of the lesser used formations viable. "Well, the 4+ cover save formation is an extra 100 points, but I can run this Stealth formation for 40, so I guess I'll go that route."
But I digress. I'm still trying to figure out if it would be fluffie for me to build my TS out of Calth marines or Propsero marines. Geez!
If it helps, TS uses MK4. So if you like MK4 then use Calth. they had their own forges on the planet pooping out their custom Achean Armor (MK4)
The biggest issue with formations is that they follow GW's standard approach to rules development and playtesting (summarised as "this sounds cool and fluffy" and "let's try it out over a couple of beers this afternoon" respectively) with big, complex, customisable, mutually interactive rule systems. So they may have (say) tested out some of the components of current deathstar builds, but never all together (that multiply interactive part). They don't do proper playtesting, i.e. build the most extreme lists they can and test those out. They just make fluffy armies and roll some dice.
A community effort to balance out the formations and the different army books could get something pretty decent out the other side, but it would be a huge effort.
Fireball wrote: My BoP set should arrive today ... already did some test paintings for Thousand Sons using Calth MKIV Armor and I like the paint scheme. Guess I will wind up painting some more TS besides Ahriman.
My rubic upgrade bitz arive tommorow, all shall be dust. (converting my 30 MK3 suits into Rubic Marines)
Looks like we will be getting the reasons for the Custodes leaving the inner palace at some point next year then. My money is on something to do with the Imperial webway. Off course it could be a thrilling account of what its like to guard a corpse in the centre of the most heavily defended building in the Imperium
Vultahn wrote: Well got my box today from preorder and... I have 2 of Geigor and no Ahriman. Everything else is there though. :(
hmm, that's two mistakes I've heard of so far, though this one sees a lack rather than extras. I guess though, you'll have two Geigors after GW send you the replacement so that's a plus That claw is wicked sweet and a bit I'll be picking up a few more of online or in trading.
Vultahn wrote: Well got my box today from preorder and... I have 2 of Geigor and no Ahriman. Everything else is there though. :(
hmm, that's two mistakes I've heard of so far, though this one sees a lack rather than extras. I guess though, you'll have two Geigors after GW send you the replacement so that's a plus That claw is wicked sweet and a bit I'll be picking up a few more of online or in trading.
Yeah I'll probably just give my spare to my friend who plays 40k Space Wolves, he'll make good use of it I'm sure.
Vultahn wrote: Well got my box today from preorder and... I have 2 of Geigor and no Ahriman. Everything else is there though. :(
hmm, that's two mistakes I've heard of so far, though this one sees a lack rather than extras. I guess though, you'll have two Geigors after GW send you the replacement so that's a plus That claw is wicked sweet and a bit I'll be picking up a few more of online or in trading.
Guy at my FLGS opened his and had 10 Tartaros Termies. But no Custodes. Works out well for me as I'm gonna buy the terminators off him and GW SHOULD send him the missing Custodes.
Vultahn wrote: Well got my box today from preorder and... I have 2 of Geigor and no Ahriman. Everything else is there though. :(
hmm, that's two mistakes I've heard of so far, though this one sees a lack rather than extras. I guess though, you'll have two Geigors after GW send you the replacement so that's a plus That claw is wicked sweet and a bit I'll be picking up a few more of online or in trading.
Guy at my FLGS opened his and had 10 Tartaros Termies. But no Custodes. Works out well for me as I'm gonna buy the terminators off him and GW SHOULD send him the missing Custodes.
Hopefully isn't. If people start abusing GW might just stop being so good at customer service. One of the best parts of the company. Would be pity if selfish gits would ruin it for others.
Well you have to do it through the LGS you bought it from. But Dark Sphere helped when I had problems with the 1 of the 10 boxes of Overkill that had missing bits.
Jeez, GW is not displaying a good amount of quality control regarding what models are supposed to end up in the box. That has me worried since I already had an issue with Eldrad missing from my Death Masque. I don't want to find that I am missing stuff from Burning of Prospero and make it look like I am abusing the system.
H.B.M.C. wrote: *reminisces about the day when he bought two Defilers and due to mispackaging ended up with 3 Defilers*
I wish I was that lucky.
So now I am trying to figure out what I actually want to do for my Imperial Fists army. Part of me wants to do with Hammerfall Strike Force and run two 15-man Tactical Squads. The other part of me wants to do the Stone Gauntlet and run two 10-man Breacher Squads. Since Alexis Polux's Deep Strike ability gets taken away in the Stone Gauntlet, I might leaning toward the Hammerfall Strike Force. Another option would be to do a Pride of the Legion, since I am running two Veteran Tactical Squads, but that kinda makes the Tactical blobs pointless.
In WD November 2016 (Page 50) the Designer says "I also Sculpted loads of Tiny Prosperan Glyphs and Icons on his Armour, Including a TINY TZEENTCH SYMBOL. Im not going to tell you where it is though, you'll have to find it yourself!"
Now in the Artwork behind the Text, the Tzeentch symbol is located on Ahrimans Right Leg (our Left)
Is it Located in the same place on the Model?
commander dante wrote: In WD November 2016 (Page 50) the Designer says "I also Sculpted loads of Tiny Prosperan Glyphs and Icons on his Armour, Including a TINY TZEENTCH SYMBOL. Im not going to tell you where it is though, you'll have to find it yourself!"
Now in the Artwork behind the Text, the Tzeentch symbol is located on Ahrimans Right Leg (our Left)
Is it Located in the same place on the Model?
Think so yeah. It is tiny though, quite hard to make out.
You got me a little worried here regarding missing sprues. Will Not be able to pick up my box from a UPS store until tomorrow and I will be extremely disappointed if Ahriman or Custodes stuff is missing.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Looks like we will be getting the reasons for the Custodes leaving the inner palace at some point next year then. My money is on something to do with the Imperial webway. Off course it could be a thrilling account of what its like to guard a corpse in the centre of the most heavily defended building in the Imperium
I reckon it'll be due to the golden throne breaking down.
No one else you could really trust to go out and do X/Y/Z to stop or slow this from happening.
This way they can leave the palace but still be "defending" the Emperor.
This makes sense and the throne failing to work has been teasered to happen in the rulebooks' 40k fluff since 5th edition. It would be a good '1-minute closer to midnight'-scenario.
One of the other upcoming novels seems to be related (text from a link posted by Reds8n in the BL thread)
The Carrion Throne (Vaults of Terra) by Chris Wraight
Due for release May 2017 in hardback, so once again this could be the main release date or there could be an advance, Limited Edition release as well.
Inquisitor Erasmus and his acolyte Spinoza root out a shadowy conspiracy on Holy Terra itself, the capital world of the Imperium.
In the hellish sprawl of Imperial Terra, Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor Erasmus serves as a stalwart and vigilant protector, for even the Throneworld is not immune to the predations of its enemies. In the course of his Emperor-sworn duty, Erasmus becomes embroiled in a dark conspiracy, one that leads all the way to the halls of the Imperial Palace. As he plunges deeper in the shadowy underbelly of the many palace districts, his investigation attracts the attention of hidden forces, and soon Erasmus and his acolyte Spinoza are being hunted – by heretics, xenos, servants of the Dark Powers, or perhaps even rival elements of the Inquisition itself. They eventually discover a terrible truth, one that if allowed to get out could undermine the very fabric of the Imperium itself.
Farseer M wrote: Regarding the BoP boxed game is there anywhere a thread about tactics for the game? I mean what weapons are optimals for playing the game?
Its however you model your guys if you bought it just for the game. That's why the stat sheets list all the weapon options.
Farseer M wrote: Regarding the BoP boxed game is there anywhere a thread about tactics for the game? I mean what weapons are optimals for playing the game?
Use heavy bolters, roll d10s, win game, put game away.
Farseer M wrote: Regarding the BoP boxed game is there anywhere a thread about tactics for the game? I mean what weapons are optimals for playing the game?
Use heavy bolters, roll d10s, win game, put game away.
it would be even better if the rules allowed for the Imperial Fists Legion.
But alas, maybe we will get our due in a Phall or Defense of Terra game.
Farseer M wrote: Regarding the BoP boxed game is there anywhere a thread about tactics for the game? I mean what weapons are optimals for playing the game?
Use heavy bolters, roll d10s, win game, put game away.
it would be even better if the rules allowed for the Imperial Fists Legion.
But alas, maybe we will get our due in a Phall or Defense of Terra game.
Phall was a space battle so probably not.. GW hasn't supported BFG in decades, why start now. Unless you do the part where they teleport onto Perturabos ship and all die.
Farseer M wrote: Regarding the BoP boxed game is there anywhere a thread about tactics for the game? I mean what weapons are optimals for playing the game?
Use heavy bolters, roll d10s, win game, put game away.
it would be even better if the rules allowed for the Imperial Fists Legion.
But alas, maybe we will get our due in a Phall or Defense of Terra game.
Phall was a space battle so probably not.. GW hasn't supported BFG in decades, why start now. Unless you do the part where they teleport onto Perturabos ship and all die.
Or the part where they steal one of the IW cruisers. Ship based battles with corridors and whatnot is what I would envision. Defense of Terra would be cool as well.
I reckon it'll be due to the golden throne breaking down.
No one else you could really trust to go out and do X/Y/Z to stop or slow this from happening.
This way they can leave the palace but still be "defending" the Emperor.
Are the throne and the webway still linked or was that just during the HH? A failing throne giving Chaos a secret backdoor into the heart of the palace would be very bad news for the Imperium.
I reckon it'll be due to the golden throne breaking down.
No one else you could really trust to go out and do X/Y/Z to stop or slow this from happening.
This way they can leave the palace but still be "defending" the Emperor.
Are the throne and the webway still linked or was that just during the HH? A failing throne giving Chaos a secret backdoor into the heart of the palace would be very bad news for the Imperium.
Nope. Magnus kinda fethed that plan up. It was pretty much the inciting incident for the Burning of Prospero.
OT, but I would love for them to do a blog series or articles or something where they show in-depth how they put together these mind-blowing dioramas and boards.
loki old fart wrote: Got my Ahriman today, got to say looks better in real life.
The head will have to go though.
Same here. think I'm just gonna put one of the FW achean pattern heads on him
Going to use mine as Hathor Maat, in 40k.
the only bummer, is that the horns on that helmet kill the metal horns rising up behind it...
the cool thing about the stock helmet is that the horns frame the crest...
a closer pic, once you get him painted, will be cool to see, though
i can't believe that a die hard Space Puppy like myself is a bigger fan of the Arhiman fig than the Fell-Hand...
still gonna paint the Puppy first, though
loki old fart wrote: Got my Ahriman today, got to say looks better in real life.
The head will have to go though.
Same here. think I'm just gonna put one of the FW achean pattern heads on him
His helmet is Achean pattern already but in plastic
Maybe, but it doesn't look anything like the fw achean heads - ahriman's has a rounder faceplate, no grill, no mkiv style divet in the chin, etc. Never mind the Ahriman specific markings like the eye in the brow and the larger tear marking down one cheek. About the only thing the same is the crest from what I can see...
loki old fart wrote: Got my Ahriman today, got to say looks better in real life.
The head will have to go though.
Same here. think I'm just gonna put one of the FW achean pattern heads on him
Going to use mine as Hathor Maat, in 40k.
the only bummer, is that the horns on that helmet kill the metal horns rising up behind it...
the cool thing about the stock helmet is that the horns frame the crest...
a closer pic, once you get him painted, will be cool to see, though
i can't belief that a die hard Space Puppy like myself is a bigger fan of the Arhiman fig than the Fell-Hand...
still gonna paint the Puppy first, though
cheers
jah
Agreed, but it's only a test run. I have a Kromlech head that I might use, This is held on with Blu-tack
So several people are assembling the models now. Could someone please take a picture of a SoS next to a Cadian? I really want to know whether they're freakishly tall.
My box came today. I am impressed at how sturdy the box is. I won't use it for anything, but it is a nice thinkness. I really like those tiles. They will make great terrain tiles. I like that they have texture to them. A nice addition for sure.
Oh, and I nearly had a fit because of how the Mk III are stored in the box. When I initially pulled theme out, it looked like I had a duplicate sprue instead of all three sprues for one of the sets. I was wrong, thankfully. Everything else was in order. I can't wait to get started on these guys.
MangoMadness wrote: with theBoP marines are the chainswords usable, ie are there arms for them to be used or are they just belt/backpack bling?
All but one are intended to be attached as a sidearm rather than held in a hand.
You could fit some of them into arms, but it'd take some cutting. Especially if you want more than 3-4 since any more than that and you're left soley with arm pairs intended to hold a bolter.
Since the MKIII has legs and backpacks in two parts each, there's a lot less extra stuff compared to MK IV or VII marines.
StupidYellow wrote:Was there any battles which were large scale boarding actions?
Kinda like Space Hulk but on a bigger scale?
That could be used for a boxed game.
S.Y.
Ratius wrote:Battle of Phall was one.
Potential Zone Mortalis rules for a board game?
Zone Mortalis is acutally super fun but it's such a pain to get a board and find people to play that over regular 30k/40k.
I'm building a board for that right now, but it's got more to do with caves on Istvaan V or Dwell than ship-to-ship boarding... I figure lots of people make those kinds of boards (and I am pretty sure somebody in my group is either building one or has one already).
My copy still hasn't showed up yet, i'm getting annoyed cause I wanted to get this well on its way being put together before blood bowl. I definitely learned something though, its probably best to spend the extra few bucks and just get it direct from GW for pickup instead of trusting an ebay seller to ship anything on time. Granted I did save 20 bucks, but i'm not sure a week of twiddling my thumbs was worth it this time around.
So when blood bowl comes out, no more monkey business i'm just gonna make the 40 minute drive and get it in person and open it in store to make sure it isn't screwed up.
Thargrim wrote: My copy still hasn't showed up yet, i'm getting annoyed cause I wanted to get this well on its way being put together before blood bowl. I definitely learned something though, its probably best to spend the extra few bucks and just get it direct from GW for pickup instead of trusting an ebay seller to ship anything on time. Granted I did save 20 bucks, but i'm not sure a week of twiddling my thumbs was worth it this time around.
So when blood bowl comes out, no more monkey business i'm just gonna make the 40 minute drive and get it in person and open it in store to make sure it isn't screwed up.
Same here. Pre-ordered as soon as I could from War Store and I haven't even got a dispatch notice yet.
Thargrim wrote: My copy still hasn't showed up yet, i'm getting annoyed cause I wanted to get this well on its way being put together before blood bowl. I definitely learned something though, its probably best to spend the extra few bucks and just get it direct from GW for pickup instead of trusting an ebay seller to ship anything on time. Granted I did save 20 bucks, but i'm not sure a week of twiddling my thumbs was worth it this time around.
So when blood bowl comes out, no more monkey business i'm just gonna make the 40 minute drive and get it in person and open it in store to make sure it isn't screwed up.
I definitely recommend using your FLGS to preorder things, as they usually can get it to you right on release day. In my case, my store stays open until midnight on Friday nights, which means that they can release my preorder to me before they go home that night if I am willing to wait there for it
Zywus wrote: Support your FLGS guys. Let that be the lesson for us all :p
Assuming you have one, which many of us do not.
I'm in Alaska and I have one, but then again I live in a (relatively) populated area of the state. Still, might be worth an hour or two drive, rather than letting your preorders be at the mercy of the *shudders*.... postal service.
Thargrim wrote: Granted I did save 20 bucks, but i'm not sure a week of twiddling my thumbs was worth it this time around.
So when blood bowl comes out, no more monkey business i'm just gonna make the 40 minute drive and get it in person and open it in store to make sure it isn't screwed up.
It all depends on savings v time doesnt it? I have been thinking of ordering through an online seller which would cost around $160 vs GW price of $265 so the savings can be considerable at the expense of a longer wait
I thought all of the online sellers were banned from shipping any GW product to the southern hemisphere, upon penalty of death. Has GW relaxed their stance on that?
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but the co-owner of my FLGS memtioned to me that the squad repackaging (unlike with BaC) will happen much earlier, so as to maximize market sales. When BaCs models were repackaged, most people who wanted them had already purchased the boxed set (or mutiple box sets) and moved on to something else. Also, according to him HH book 7 should be released some time before Christmas, but they plan to release Magnus (like with Russ) before then. There *might* also be 10-man psyker squads as the Thousand Sons specialist unit, and he told me (seemingly less certain) that the SW will get a 30k Wulfen variant. I am planing to build my copy into a Thousand Sons force (Ahrimman did it for me) and would love more Psykers (I currently, in all my armies, have a total of one psyker...) and more excuses to use those FW upgrades would be great.
Speaking of 30k Wulfen, can someone point me to a good guide on Legion era Space Puppy force org? Did they have Wolf Priests and their shamanistic stuff (without casting real psychic powers), Long Fangs, etc? What about scouts, there seemingly were scouts/scout-ish training (the Soulhunter himself), but now there are recon Marines.
Binabik15 wrote: Speaking of 30k Wulfen, can someone point me to a good guide on Legion era Space Puppy force org? Did they have Wolf Priests and their shamanistic stuff (without casting real psychic powers), Long Fangs, etc? What about scouts, there seemingly were scouts/scout-ish training (the Soulhunter himself), but now there are recon Marines.
That will become clear in the upcoming book I believe.
They will probably have wolf priests as a unique consul type, combining chaplain and master-apothecary duties but not sure about the regular apothecaries.
Iron Priests and Rune Priests are pretty much literally renamed techmarines and librarians though so maybe a footnote?
In terms of unique units though…. The generic Heresy era list is actually far closer to the way the modern wolves are structured than it is to the way codex marines are so don't expect too much. Apart from labelling tactical squad exclusively equipped with ccw+bp as "blood claws" and those with bolters as "grey hunters" I wouldn't expect too much messing around.
A unique TDA unit to represent Wolf Guard and a you're nearly done.
Having not popped open my Prospero yet, can anyone speak to the posing and variety the MK3's can be built with? Anything on par to the current Tactical kit with hands holding clips, one-handed bolters, etc...?
Binabik15 wrote: Speaking of 30k Wulfen, can someone point me to a good guide on Legion era Space Puppy force org? Did they have Wolf Priests and their shamanistic stuff (without casting real psychic powers), Long Fangs, etc? What about scouts, there seemingly were scouts/scout-ish training (the Soulhunter himself), but now there are recon Marines.
That will become clear in the upcoming book I believe.
Mr_Rose wrote:They will probably have wolf priests as a unique consul type, combining chaplain and master-apothecary duties but not sure about the regular apothecaries.
Iron Priests and Rune Priests are pretty much literally renamed techmarines and librarians though so maybe a footnote?
In terms of unique units though…. The generic Heresy era list is actually far closer to the way the modern wolves are structured than it is to the way codex marines are so don't expect too much. Apart from labelling tactical squad exclusively equipped with ccw+bp as "blood claws" and those with bolters as "grey hunters" I wouldn't expect too much messing around.
A unique TDA unit to represent Wolf Guard and a you're nearly done.
Thanks!
I won't game with them, but a small collection of dark grey killers sounds good. They should be somehwhat background compliant, so thanks for the info. Maybe I'll do them set after Russ left, so the more esoteric stuff is okay in any case.
I'm building a board for that right now, but it's got more to do with caves on Istvaan V or Dwell than ship-to-ship boarding... I figure lots of people make those kinds of boards (and I am pretty sure somebody in my group is either building one or has one already).
I'm building a board for that right now, but it's got more to do with caves on Istvaan V or Dwell than ship-to-ship boarding... I figure lots of people make those kinds of boards (and I am pretty sure somebody in my group is either building one or has one already).
Crimson wrote: So several people are assembling the models now. Could someone please take a picture of a SoS next to a Cadian? I really want to know whether they're freakishly tall.
Don't have a cadian but here is it next to a Raging heroes figure (on 25mm bases
I thought GW had managed to finally halt the scale creep somewhat seeing the genestealer cultists. That's a shame :(
nope, the scale creep is in full effect...
the Tartaros Termies are huge, as are the Custodes...
i bought the "weekend only" Legion Herald last month, and he is massive in his MkIV power armor compared to the MkIV Marines from Battle at Calth...
i am thinking that i could use the Custodes head with the mohawk for him, and the Tartaros Sergeant head on him, but they are so big...
it might be a little over-the-top, but i think i'll go for it anyway...
the head looks too cool on him, and the Tartaros arms look so much better than the arms he comes with...
i like the scale creep, for painting purposes, anyway...
the detail is incredible, and so crisp...
it is fine for someone who sells on each painted mini, but i can see how it would be frustrating for people trying to mix past generations of minis in with the new stuff...
"go big or go home" must be the mantra in the design studio nowadays
Does anyone think theres a connection between Bjorn the Fell-Handed and Geigor Fell-Hand? They have the same name, and both fight with a lightning claw and a bolter, and i guess Ahriman vs Bjorn would be a better, more fluff match up.
I thought GW had managed to finally halt the scale creep somewhat seeing the genestealer cultists. That's a shame :(
nope, the scale creep is in full effect...
the Tartaros Termies are huge, as are the Custodes...
jah
Well custodes are supposed to tower marines like marines humans,
Termies and Custodes are supposed to be larger than regular marines (although I think they went overboard on the custodes).
The SoS are largely un-augmented humans, so there's no reason they should be larger than a regular guardsmen. Even the plastic Cadians are grossly oversized and they'll be larger than those. Had the SoS been similar in bulk to a cultist (Chaos or Genestealer variant) it would have been a good fit.
It seems GW can't realise that for some things to look big and imposing, not everything can constantly get bigger and bigger. They're like gakky youtube channels who's every video is the "funnyest ever !!!11!" or "scariest ever !!!!"
Well, except for the Genestealer Cult and Mechanicus. Those were awesome models in almost every way.
I thought GW had managed to finally halt the scale creep somewhat seeing the genestealer cultists. That's a shame :(
nope, the scale creep is in full effect...
the Tartaros Termies are huge, as are the Custodes...
jah
Well custodes are supposed to tower marines like marines humans,
Termies and Custodes are supposed to be larger than regular marines (although I think they went overboard on the custodes).
The SoS are largely un-augmented humans, so there's no reason they should be larger than a regular guardsmen. Even the plastic Cadians are grossly oversized and they'll be larger than those. Had the SoS been similar in bulk to a cultist (Chaos or Genestealer variant) it would have been a good fit.
It seems GW can't realise that for some things to look big and imposing, not everything can constantly get bigger and bigger. They're like gakky youtube channels who's every video is the "funnyest ever !!!11!" or "scariest ever !!!!"
Well, except for the Genestealer Cult and Mechanicus. Those were awesome models in almost every way.
The fact that their bigger overall allows them to be relatively slight in stature(If you've seen the sprew you realize that their quite thin compared to marines.) without making them malifaux fragile to work with. It also makes them quite a bit easier to paint. Sometimes practicality trumps fluff.
I thought GW had managed to finally halt the scale creep somewhat seeing the genestealer cultists. That's a shame :(
nope, the scale creep is in full effect...
the Tartaros Termies are huge, as are the Custodes...
jah
Well custodes are supposed to tower marines like marines humans,
Termies and Custodes are supposed to be larger than regular marines (although I think they went overboard on the custodes).
The SoS are largely un-augmented humans, so there's no reason they should be larger than a regular guardsmen. Even the plastic Cadians are grossly oversized and they'll be larger than those. Had the SoS been similar in bulk to a cultist (Chaos or Genestealer variant) it would have been a good fit.
It seems GW can't realise that for some things to look big and imposing, not everything can constantly get bigger and bigger. They're like gakky youtube channels who's every video is the "funnyest ever !!!11!" or "scariest ever !!!!"
Well, except for the Genestealer Cult and Mechanicus. Those were awesome models in almost every way.
The fact that their bigger overall allows them to be relatively slight in stature(If you've seen the sprew you realize that their quite thin compared to marines.) without making them malifaux fragile to work with. It also makes them quite a bit easier to paint. Sometimes practicality trumps fluff.
I don't buy that really. They could have been smaller, retained the same proportions ad still not been too fragile. The Dark Eldar wyches are proof of that.
The SoS are indeed better proportioned than marines and with thinner limbs, but there's no reason why they need to be so tall.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Having not popped open my Prospero yet, can anyone speak to the posing and variety the MK3's can be built with? Anything on par to the current Tactical kit with hands holding clips, one-handed bolters, etc...?
It depends how comfortable you are with a knife. One-handed bolters should be simple, exen better if you are willing to cut the arms above the elbow and reposition them. Holding clips? Not easily done.
I think there are only two pairs of arms that are not in *holds bolter intensely* poses.
That said, the quality is mouth watering, and should be fully interchangeable with more exciting arms from other kits.
Automatically Appended Next Post: The SOS look perfectly in scale to me. I don't get where everyone else gets the idea that they are unaugmented humans. The artwork portrays them as staggeringly tall, statuesque, perhaps even dreamy, killing machines, and we all know the Emperor likes to go full Tim Allen on his killing machines.
Looking at the few pieces of art that have SoS in position next to Custodes etc in a way to determine scale I have to agree with bobtheinquisitor. There's a good pick of SoS standing next to a custode and The Big E himself and they come up to right around the custodes chin, which is consistent with the minis.
I thought GW had managed to finally halt the scale creep somewhat seeing the genestealer cultists. That's a shame :(
nope, the scale creep is in full effect...
the Tartaros Termies are huge, as are the Custodes...
jah
Well custodes are supposed to tower marines like marines humans,
yes, i'm well aware of the Custodes being bigger than Marines...
i actually think that they did a great job on the models, and their size...
i'm a big fan of those huge dudes
the point, which you edited out, is that pretty much everything IS getting bigger, which i like, personally...
i would not like to have seen the minis go in the other direction, like Wyrd's Malifaux plastics (those things are horrible to work with, which is a shame, as some of the designs are amazing)...
all of the filigree on the Custodes and SoS minis is very crisp, thanks to their size...
for people who don't like the scale creep, the feeling is not mutual
The sisters of silence are really about the same height as the skitarii guys. The top knot hair does make them look taller. I changed the heads with statuesque pulp heads and put them on 30mm bases instead of 32mm. Here is some shots with a ranger, a marine, and a space crusade terminator...
Smokestack wrote: The sisters of silence are really about the same height as the skitarii guys. The top knot hair does make them look taller. I changed the heads with statuesque pulp heads and put them on 30mm bases instead of 32mm. Here is some shots with a ranger, a marine, and a space crusade terminator...
Interesting note: the legs of the SoS and the Skitarii seem to be in roughly the same pose, so it'd be hard to make the "the pose makes them look taller/shorter" argument here. It's obvious that the models as a whole are getting larger (which I think is a good thing from a hobby perspective), but it isn't a new uniform scale. Models that a supposed to be larger (Space Marines, Custodes, Chaos Warrios, Stormcast Eternals) are still larger than some of the other new models (Genestealer hybrids, Skitarii, etc.).
The newer models also seem better proportioned. Compare a Neophyte to a Cadian or Catachan. The detail, posing and proportions are all so much better. Infor one welcome our new slightly taller plastic overlords.
ImAGeek wrote: Yeah, I think his claw is the claw Bjorn gets to replace the arm he loses on Prospero.
Which is sort of cool. Honestly, if Bjorn gets stats in Inferno, I hinkle Geigor's model will probably be capable of representing him. That or Geigor will get stats in Inferno in addition to Bjorn.
Alpharius wrote: That Sister of Silence look ridiculously out of scale...
...dammit GW!!!
They are perfectly in scale with my raging heroes stuff so i am ok with it, is see they are also in line with the prodos space crusade mini's
Should check later how much difference there is with the Kingdom death figures.
Some more scale shots. Reaper, Age of Sigmar, Kingdom Death, Norsgard, Raging Heroes and Malifaux. The Kingdom Death stuff (other than 20 year savior) is huge...
Sigmarines certainly seem a good way to use the spare arms and make an alternate squad. Just whack the shields on them so they need less body detailing, and the Guardian Spears on the actual Custodes models.
JohnnyHell wrote: Sigmarines certainly seem a good way to use the spare arms and make an alternate squad. Just whack the shields on them so they need less body detailing, and the Guardian Spears on the actual Custodes models.
Pretty much. Some liberal use of the additional bits on the Custodes sprues. Use the extra chest piece in place of the Stormcast chest piece, add in some stuff like the Blood Angels wing decorations to the pauldraons, and you are set. The helmet tassels on the heads of the Stormcasts actually fit the Custodes aesthetic well, but the faces don't. I really detest helmetless characters, so I don't know what I am going to do for a better helmet. Green stuff might need to come to the rescue. An Eldar helmet might be a possibility as well. I might even just make a cast of one of the heads for this. I am going to cut off the vents from a SM power pack and attach them to the back of the armor to recreate something similar to the Custodes's armor vents.
I see Scibor Miniatures has faux Custodes heads, they might be an option.
I don't understant the obsession with scale. Different people are different hights and have different proportions. Hell, as mentioned previously, the SoS are described as being taller than the average person, and custodes being near primarch sized.
for the game.
....*points* the Chosen One! 
grats 
