ursvamp wrote: Really dig the SoS-models. They look amazing!
Dissapointed about still seeing boobplate on them, though.
Would really like to see GW do something different with female models in the future.
At least they have made all their female tau commanders without it (though, they are i. Mechs, so that would be a little extreme, had they done that ).
ursvamp wrote: Really dig the SoS-models. They look amazing!
Dissapointed about still seeing boobplate on them, though.
Would really like to see GW do something different with female models in the future.
At least they have made all their female tau commanders without it (though, they are i. Mechs, so that would be a little extreme, had they done that ).
That said, the Custodes remain very interesting indeed. I expected them to be all Guardian Spears but it seems not?
The box is going to be "kits" just like Calth. So they can sell them in separate box sets later on. Expect the sisters/custodies to have main weapon options, and command addons, like the banner we see. They will have 5 of their spears also
Yay more bland Marines blasted with the GW decal/accessory scatter gun. Genestealer Cult was awesome, but cant deviate too long from all Marines all the time. And still with the stupid haircuts on Space Wolfs, no one liked it 20 years ago no one likes it now. Vikings, do that.
I've wanted Custodes for decades, and I have to say they look a bit poo. 95 bucks with some cheap cardboard, no thanks. I'm starting think GW have one sculptor that’s fantastic and the rest is done by work experience kids, playing with marine dolls. Ugh
cpt_fishcakes wrote: Yay more bland Marines blasted with the GW decal/accessory scatter gun. Genestealer Cult was awesome, but cant deviate too long from all Marines all the time. And still with the stupid haircuts on Space Wolfs, no one liked it 20 years ago no one likes it now. Vikings, do that.
I've wanted Custodes for decades, and I have to say they look a bit poo. 95 bucks with some cheap cardboard, no thanks. I'm starting think GW have one sculptor that’s fantastic and the rest is done by work experience kids, playing with marine dolls. Ugh
Also not Orks, were my Ork box set ya gitz
Surely you can cobble together a model that is the envy of all Ork players by rooting through a few dumpsters?
cpt_fishcakes wrote: Yay more bland Marines blasted with the GW decal/accessory scatter gun. Genestealer Cult was awesome, but cant deviate too long from all Marines all the time. And still with the stupid haircuts on Space Wolfs, no one liked it 20 years ago no one likes it now. Vikings, do that.
I've wanted Custodes for decades, and I have to say they look a bit poo. 95 bucks with some cheap cardboard, no thanks. I'm starting think GW have one sculptor that’s fantastic and the rest is done by work experience kids, playing with marine dolls. Ugh
Also not Orks, were my Ork box set ya gitz
Surely you can cobble together a model that is the envy of all Ork players by rooting through a few dumpsters?
Dumpster thats a quality base for a Stompa at least. Are there rules for Gargants I missed in 40K? I think I'm sorted.
If any of you guys got the June 24th Tartaros terminator praetor, I think it would go perfect with the terminators in this kit.
Iron Marines are always a +++++ its my favorite pattern. As others have concluded, in a few weeks after release GW will probably be packing individual boxes so you can get only SoS or Custodes. These will also probably be released at the same time as SoB so that you can use the SoS as an allied detachment or something. Just a speculation.
cpt_fishcakes wrote: Yay more bland Marines blasted with the GW decal/accessory scatter gun. Genestealer Cult was awesome, but cant deviate too long from all Marines all the time. And still with the stupid haircuts on Space Wolfs, no one liked it 20 years ago no one likes it now. Vikings, do that.
I've wanted Custodes for decades, and I have to say they look a bit poo. 95 bucks with some cheap cardboard, no thanks. I'm starting think GW have one sculptor that’s fantastic and the rest is done by work experience kids, playing with marine dolls. Ugh
Also not Orks, were my Ork box set ya gitz
Do you actually mean yay 30k just became more accessible for more people and those who wanted mk iii plastic?
The value is phenomenonal. Buying from fw would cost vastly more. Bargain box with stuff people wanted. OH NO!!! You wanted custodes and you got custodes as per the artwork. Still grumbling. Why?!?!?!
No orks? It's prospero. Orks weren't there. Move on.
As marines all the time? Most popular and best sellers.
Iron Marines are always a +++++ its my favorite pattern. As others have concluded, in a few weeks after release GW will probably be packing individual boxes so you can get only SoS or Custodes. These will also probably be released at the same time as SoB so that you can use the SoS as an allied detachment or something. Just a speculation.
It'll be best part of a year based on the calth separate releases.also based on that you'd be better buying the box and selling what you don't want!
Boob plate armour would kill you? Perhaps in a fantasy setting but we are talking about a sci-fi setting. The big difference between 40k and our world is that the armour they wear is a thousand times better than what we have from a protection point of view. Best we have are some ballistic ceramic plates that can stop a couple of bullets, the armour in 40k is designed to protect the user from guns far more powerful than what we use.
- Everything is multipart (besides the chars)
- Sisters have head and weapons options (boltguns, swords, flamers)
- Custodes have option for spears and swords/shields
- I love the mark III helm variants
- Everything is multipart (besides the chars)
- Sisters have head and weapons options (boltguns, swords, flamers)
- Custodes have option for spears and swords/shields
- I love the mark III helm variants
I swear, when I think this box couldn't get any better, *BAM*. Multipart sisters and custodes.
- Everything is multipart (besides the chars)
- Sisters have head and weapons options (boltguns, swords, flamers)
- Custodes have option for spears and swords/shields
- I love the mark III helm variants
Great news. And seems to heavily imply that Custodes and SoS will have a proper 40k release later.
Huh, so you could pretty much just release the Sisters as their own box without any altering since they are multi-part anyway, really do wanna get a load of em now.
unmercifulconker wrote: Huh, so you could pretty much just release the Sisters as their own box without any altering since they are multi-part anyway, really do wanna get a load of em now.
unmercifulconker wrote: Huh, so you could pretty much just release the Sisters as their own box without any altering since they are multi-part anyway, really do wanna get a load of em now.
That's almost certainly what happens in future
And I hope its not too long of a wait but I'd gladly take em alongside SoB release.
As I said before, the SOS are much more fantasy looking than any 40k and 30k minis I've seen before (bar the mandrake). I don't think anybody will deny that. Whether you like it or not is entirely subjective. but I personally think they look out of place.
Anyway, I don't want to drag this tangent incessantly, so it's my last post on the subject
I can and will deny it. The armour they're wearing actually reminds me of Kabalite armour quite a bit, they just seem to have borrowed cloaks off the Space Wolves.
- Everything is multipart (besides the chars)
- Sisters have head and weapons options (boltguns, swords, flamers)
- Custodes have option for spears and swords/shields
- I love the mark III helm variants
Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy
definitely going to need the Sisters of Silence then
ursvamp wrote: Really dig the SoS-models. They look amazing!
Dissapointed about still seeing boobplate on them, though.
Would really like to see GW do something different with female models in the future.
At least they have made all their female tau commanders without it (though, they are i. Mechs, so that would be a little extreme, had they done that ).
That said, the Custodes remain very interesting indeed. I expected them to be all Guardian Spears but it seems not?
Back in the days before the GK became playable all the old art showed them with force halberds. That is what everyone expected GK to all
Have too. This is no different...
As I said before, the SOS are much more fantasy looking than any 40k and 30k minis I've seen before (bar the mandrake). I don't think anybody will deny that. Whether you like it or not is entirely subjective. but I personally think they look out of place.
Anyway, I don't want to drag this tangent incessantly, so it's my last post on the subject
I can and will deny it. The armour they're wearing actually reminds me of Kabalite armour quite a bit, they just seem to have borrowed cloaks off the Space Wolves.
The SOS couldn't be more 40k.
The mixing of low and high tech (particularly in the Imperilium) is a primary visual and in-world aspect of the setting.
Preachers in a robe with a club march to war next to gigantic robots bigger than buildings:
Elves zip around on anti-grav jet bikes
Orks wearing armour made from scrap use teleport machines to invade a planet.
Tank commanders brandish a saber out the top hatch as they advance
Guys on horses charge spider shaped machines possessed by daemons.
And on and on and on....
Not to mention I think you are missing the point of these releases:: GW is releasing all these old elements of the 40k universe as a tribute and and nod to the glorious past and the classic fluff. Totally redesigning the SOS to make them "hi-tech" would both not appeal to those purchasing out of nostalgia and love of the classic fluff/Blanche art (like myself) and be untrue to the classic fluff/art. No thanks.
If you want high tech buy some Tau or infinity models and let us have our classic SOS.
stompygitz wrote: So now my question is how many people are going to buy a bunch of SoS to make a sisters army?
The SOS all seem to come with big ass power swords. Other than Sergeants, HQs, and Command squads, they aren' much use for SOB. IMHO, Unless they are easy to slap bolter arms on.
According to Atia they have bolters and flamers as well, it's a full multi-pose kit, so with some conversion using them as SoB is not at all out of the question. If an arm can take a Bolter or flamer it can take a melta, though I can see Heavy Weapons being more of an issue.
The biggest barrier would be that they appear a good half-head taller than the Marines around them, I don't know how easy that would be to remedy.
You can get auto cannons that fit bolter arms from FW right now.
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Paradigm wrote: According to Atia they have bolters and flamers as well, it's a full multi-pose kit, so with some conversion using them as SoB is not at all out of the question. If an arm can take a Bolter or flamer it can take a melta, though I can see Heavy Weapons being more of an issue.
The biggest barrier would be that they appear a good half-head taller than the Marines around them, I don't know how easy that would be to remedy.
Aside from the Legion specific characters I might pick this up as a painting project themed around the Siege of Terra - Blood Angels with their Custodes and SoS allies.
ThirstySpaceMan wrote: I think it will be funny if the rules for SOS make them a better anti daemon army than Grey Knights
Especially if they become better at countering daemons than they are at hunting psykers, much like how the elite daemon-hunters of the Imperium are much better at killing psykers than they are daemons.
ThirstySpaceMan wrote: I think it will be funny if the rules for SOS make them a better anti daemon army than Grey Knights
Especially if they become better at countering daemons than they are at hunting psykers, much like how the elite daemon-hunters of the Imperium are much better at killing psykers than they are daemons.
As they are pariahs then it would make sense that they are capable of countering both.
Sisters:
ws5, bs4, s3, t3, w1, i5, a2, ld10, 2+.
Preferred enemy (psykers), hatred (psykers)
furious charge and a pariah blade which inflicts ID on any model with the psyker special rule and otherwise is ap3.
they will have the pariah rule meaning they can never be the target of any psychic power. and all psychic powers cease to be in effect within 6" of the unit
The point costs will make or break them... Those Custodes have some serious stats, and out Wulfen, my Wulfen.... So if they do so while costing less. DAMN.
Also, allied SoS are going to be EVERYWHERE like Culexus Assassins if they really have a psychic-voiding aura.
I'm honestly not that impressed, armour looks like something from Age of Sigmar rather than 40K.
They have the same lightning as Sigmarines do if I'm not mistaken.
Agreed a 100%. Custodes and SOS look like models straight oupt of a fantasy game. Not too impressed.
Consulting the Visions of Heresy book, the Sisters look exactly like they're supposed to (barring the fact I"m not sure if the minis have the oversized flange hanging off their couters) and GW have done a superb job translating the illustrations to plastic.
Which doesnt change anything that I said, since even if they look exactly like they were described, they still really look out of place in a sci fi setting (IMO at least).
Which is where your confusion is coming from - 40K/30K is not a sci-fi setting, it's a sci-fantasy setting. It's futuristic, it makes an effort to systematize and explain things, but 30K is a Greek mythological tragedy with laser guns and 40K is a gothic fantasy with laser guns, hence why they include literal sorcery, daemons, religious belief that can manifest physical effects in reality, space Elves, space Orcs, space robo-Undead and so on.
I suppose this was inevitable, AoS so transparently ripping off 40K/30K aesthetic elements means now when those elements are realised in model form people who didn't know any better think the opposite is true and 40K/30K are ripping off AoS. It's like people thinking Warhammer is a Warcraft ripoff.
As to the pics - brilliant. True to the artwork and if they're a multipart set with options as Atia says that just makes them even more appealing. Glad I started saving for this as soon as Sad Panda first rumoured SoS were in. EDIT: Although T3, 1W, and no Invulnerable save means those Sisters probably won't be around long in a 30K game - 2+ is all very well, but any opponent with psyker or daemon units is a fool if they don't drown the Sisters with bolters asap; what's the mathhammer on 5 SoS trying to endure a 20 man Tactical FotL?
Well that's quite fitting given how that's exactly what happened on Prospero once the Thousand Sons realised the Sisters were the ones who were stopping them from dominating the battlefield with their psychic powers.
I'm honestly not that impressed, armour looks like something from Age of Sigmar rather than 40K.
They have the same lightning as Sigmarines do if I'm not mistaken.
Agreed a 100%. Custodes and SOS look like models straight oupt of a fantasy game. Not too impressed.
Consulting the Visions of Heresy book, the Sisters look exactly like they're supposed to (barring the fact I"m not sure if the minis have the oversized flange hanging off their couters) and GW have done a superb job translating the illustrations to plastic.
Which doesnt change anything that I said, since even if they look exactly like they were described, they still really look out of place in a sci fi setting (IMO at least).
Which is where your confusion is coming from - 40K/30K is not a sci-fi setting, it's a sci-fantasy setting. It's futuristic, it makes an effort to systematize and explain things, but 30K is a Greek mythological tragedy with laser guns and 40K is a gothic fantasy with laser guns, hence why they include literal sorcery, daemons, religious belief that can manifest physical effects in reality, space Elves, space Orcs, space robo-Undead and so on.
I suppose this was inevitable, AoS so transparently ripping off 40K/30K aesthetic elements means now when those elements are realised in model form people who didn't know any better think the opposite is true and 40K/30K are ripping off AoS. It's like people thinking Warhammer is a Warcraft ripoff.
As to the pics - brilliant. True to the artwork and if they're a multipart set with options as Atia says that just makes them even more appealing. Glad I started saving for this as soon as Sad Panda first rumoured SoS were in. EDIT: Although T3, 1W, and no Invulnerable save means those Sisters probably won't be around long in a 30K game - 2+ is all very well, but any opponent with psyker or daemon units is a fool if they don't drown the Sisters with bolters asap; what's the mathhammer on 5 SoS trying to endure a 20 man Tactical FotL?
nah man. I'm an old school 40k and whfb player, I know full well that it is more of a space fantasy game than a hard sci-fi one, I said so in one of my post. Still, it is one of the first time that I see a model that seems to have been taken directly from WHFB bar the mandrake (and as someone has said, DE Incubi could also be included, but I think they have more of a sleek sci-fi look). The armor of the SOS look like a common plate armor (unlike the regular power armour which is directly inspired from plate armor, but still includes sufficient sci-fi elements to make it look like a futuristic armor, and the sword look like a stylized claymore not a power sword). As I said, the SOS leader could have been a character model in WHQ Silver Tower, and nobody would think it would be out of place. Which is not the case for pretty much every other 30/40k minis.
And, as you said, they do look very similar to sigmarinee, even if Sigmarine are a fantasy version of space marines. It's like they ripped off, the bad fantasy rip off of space marines (they even have the comet/lightning design that is plastered all over stormcasts. Yeah I know, this design was present in some old 40k art, but not to that extent).
As I said, It seems like i'm in the minority when it comes to disliking them, but I have a lot of trouble believing that most dont see them as much more fantasy looking than pretty much every other 30/40k minis.
Genoside07 wrote: Did I miss it some where?? Is this compatible with Betrayal at Calth???
As a board game? I don't think so. The board sections don't seem to have the hex layout and(IMO very cool) system for fitting together. It also has different dice than Calth.
ursvamp wrote: Really dig the SoS-models. They look amazing!
Dissapointed about still seeing boobplate on them, though.
Would really like to see GW do something different with female models in the future.
At least they have made all their female tau commanders without it (though, they are i. Mechs, so that would be a little extreme, had they done that ).
I actually thought GW would get away from boob armour. Sadly they didn't.
Can we please, please, please have one god damned discussion about female miniatures without derailing it by talking about boob armor for the fifteenth billion time? I can't wait for the plastic SoB to be released so we can listen to the same complaining for the fifteenth billion and one time. Boob armor isn't going away, so maybe it is best that find some way for you to deal with this obviously troubling matter on your own.
How about No. This is a discussion after all. Before I didn't care, it was a joke, but now that you mention it and make it personal, yes we can keep talking about it now. I wouldn't have said any more but since you are so passionate about it and had to say "matter on your own", I think I will keep bringing it up now. You want to get personal, so can I.
Actually, how about no, don't do that.
Start a separate thread about that particular topic if you like, but if you keep bringing it up here, it will be considered spam, off topic and possibly against Rule 1 as well, depending on context.
I'll go with maybe people that this was directed ONLY at a specific user?
When it fact it really is for EVERYONE.
Feel free to take this tangent to its very own topic elsewhere - do NOT continue to harp on and on and on about it in this thread.
FINAL WARNING.
Seriously start a general thread for that tired argument..
I wonder how that rule for the SoS will function with Shadow in the Warp. If it breaks or nullifies Synapse, that cements the need for Flyrant only lists. Maybe it will help with Deathstars in general too.
On another note, those are some fantastic miniatures and the rules match them fairly well.
Carnikang wrote: I wonder how that rule for the SoS will function with Shadow in the Warp. If it breaks or nullifies Synapse, that cements the need for Flyrant only lists. Maybe it will help with Deathstars in general too.
On another note, those are some fantastic miniatures and the rules match them fairly well.
Considering that any competitive list that can spare the points for it, includes a Culexus, I would say yes... any model that outright shuts down psychic powers automatically gains immense value.
Is there any actual balance to the content of these games? I know the thousand sons get their arses handed to them on Prospero, but does that mean the loser who has to play as the thousand sobs has no chance of winning? The odds seem to be stacked against them given the stats and abilitys of the imperial troops. Is Ahriman going to be that powerful to counter?
Joyboozer wrote: Is there any actual balance to the content of these games? I know the thousand sons get their arses handed to them on Prospero, but does that mean the loser who has to play as the thousand sobs has no chance of winning? The odds seem to be stacked against them given the stats and abilitys of the imperial troops. Is Ahriman going to be that powerful to counter?
It's not a starter, it's a board game, 30K/40K stats won't mean anything for that.
Joyboozer wrote: Is there any actual balance to the content of these games? I know the thousand sons get their arses handed to them on Prospero, but does that mean the loser who has to play as the thousand sobs has no chance of winning? The odds seem to be stacked against them given the stats and abilitys of the imperial troops. Is Ahriman going to be that powerful to counter?
It's not a starter, it's a board game, 30K/40K stats won't mean anything for that.
Joyboozer wrote: Is there any actual balance to the content of these games? I know the thousand sons get their arses handed to them on Prospero, but does that mean the loser who has to play as the thousand sobs has no chance of winning? The odds seem to be stacked against them given the stats and abilitys of the imperial troops. Is Ahriman going to be that powerful to counter?
It's not a starter, it's a board game, 30K/40K stats won't mean anything for that.
So they are actually balanced rule sets?
Balanced rules but unbalanced scenarios. Some scenarios may be stacked against one side. More of a challenge and extra bragging rights if you win.
Looks like the SW has both arms attached at the shoulder, so should be easy to modify with normal marine bits. So while a mono-pose HQ, it should be easy to take multiples and kitbash off of them. Looks like the leg/torso might also be fully compatible. Actually, the more I look at the sprue, he looks like a fully multipart model, just with only one option. There are some alignment squares that might need to be shaved off before getting to work swapping parts on him, but that’s about it.
Ahriman looks significantly harder to mod.
On the terminators, it looks like there might be the front of a HF on there. And is that some sort of plasma thing next to the volkite?
Looks like the SW has both arms attached at the shoulder, so should be easy to modify with normal marine bits. So while a mono-pose HQ, it should be easy to take multiples and kitbash off of them. Looks like the leg/torso might also be fully compatible. Actually, the more I look at the sprue, he looks like a fully multipart model, just with only one option. There are some alignment squares that might need to be shaved off before getting to work swapping parts on him, but that’s about it.
Ahriman looks significantly harder to mod.
On the terminators, it looks like there might be the front of a HF on there. And is that some sort of plasma thing next to the volkite?
SoS look to be bolters/flamer/swords.
Everything looks awesome.
The Tartaros have a heavy flamer yeah and a plasma blaster.
Damn, those are delicious. Gunswords for the Custodes, awesome, and the shoulderpads are their own part so I can bitz order them to make converting Sigmarines from the AoS starter dead easy(assuming you'd ever need more than five Custodes). The Sisters look amazing, I'll have to grab an extra set.
Oddly though what's really impressing me is the sprue design, whoever they have working the CAD software to split the 3d sculpts for production is getting extremely good, I always wondered how they'd work the classic looking MKII/III backpack in plastic.
So it looks like at long last SM are getting access to the mighty reaper autocannon. Maybe they'll finally be able to compete with their traitorous brethren on an even footing!
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Ooh the MKIII legs are split into 2 parts. That should hopefully make it easier to have a variety of poses.
There's also more than one chainsword this time! Hopefully this box can be used to make Despoilers with a small amount of conversion work...
Going by the first pic, that's 11 chainswords per sprue! 1 with hand attached, but another 10 for sticking on backpacks, and easily converted into any closed hand! As someone often short of Chainswords, this is very welcome!
Yeah looks like the MKIII loose the 2nd heavy weapon, but gain a whole load of chainswords and holstered bolt pistols. FW really need to get on with releasing jump packs and breacher shields separately after this box comes out. The reaper cannon, Volkite and plasma blastgun for the Terminators are a big surprise. I wonder how compatible the existing FW add ons will be with these kits? The MKIII shouldn't be a problem but the Tartaros sets might need some modifying. Although after double checking the plastic sprue against the FW sets there's not much that they don't cover.
Looks like the SW has a separate shoulder pad. That should make it a lot easier to add him to the Death watch(even if it is the wrong side).
Mmm delicious sprue pics... It's seriously impressive how those MKIII are designed so that they work with all those complex edges.
I am mildly curious to see what the transfer sheet will look like for the set as freehanding all those little TSons symbols gets a little tiring after 5 years...
So, I was looking at the rumored stats of the Custodes. The basic custode with a guardian blade has a statline similar to a Marine captain in artificer armor, with a relic blade. That comes in at 135 points. If that point cost is anything to go on, the Custodes should cost, at a minimum, 120 points. That means a 2000 point army of them (heavy on troops) would be about 16 guys.
Joyboozer wrote: Is there any actual balance to the content of these games? I know the thousand sons get their arses handed to them on Prospero, but does that mean the loser who has to play as the thousand sobs has no chance of winning? The odds seem to be stacked against them given the stats and abilitys of the imperial troops. Is Ahriman going to be that powerful to counter?
Can't speak to this specific game but...
Deathwatch Overkill starts with Deathwatch mopping the floor with the GSC. Midway through it becomes semi-even. Last couple or three missions are GSC's to lose esp. the last one.
B@C tends, from what we've played, toward the Word Bearers. It's not 100% and good Ultrasmurf player can win often.
I was hoping this would use B@C's rules but maybe this will be just as cool since I buy them for the games and a shallow dive into 40k armies w/o having to play the full game.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like the SoS have access to at least 4 flamers, 4 bolters and 4 swords.
We seem to only have pics of 2 out of the 3 sprues that make the SoS.
I also don't understand why they have 10 heads? 1 Sergeant type head and 9 normal heads. Some heads have holes and some have lines in the face plate, different types of SoS?
I know someone that wants to get into 40K, but can't really justify the cost of an army, even the super-elite low model count armies. If Custodes get their own 40k rules, I think a good Christmas present would be a batch of ebay custodes and some Sigmarines converted with the spare parts. For $60, you have a 2000 point army that can be carried in cigar box.
I wonder how a Custodes army would even work? They'd slaughter other (lesser) elite armies, but they couldn't throw out enough attacks to handle even moderately horde-like armies. Heck, 50 marines would be too many. Not to mention how they would ever catch or destroy vehicles.
It has been said multiple times by people who have good records that Sisters of Silence and the Custodes will be a small detachment.
They will not be "an army" and will not be able to make an effective "army".
They are meant to be something rare
Adeptus Custodes will get a full army list, Sisters of Silence the small detachment/allied contingent treatment - both from Forgeworld and for 30k. That book - Inferno - is currently at the printers and will be released when it fits into FW's release schedule. There will be vehicles and a lot more other model releases for these two factions from Forgeworld. What this means for 40k in the future though is unclear but there are several possibilities after these initial rules in WD next week. Sales numbers and general customer interest will influence what GW does with them in let's say a year, but I feel people get easily distracted that Custodes and Sisters are foremost 30k products at the moment and if sales are good enough GW could expand them to 40k or Forgeworld makes the 30k lists available in 40k etc.
Must resist starting Iron Warriors.
But for the pure marines, this is a bit overcosted IMO. B@C seems to still be the best way to get in, with these guys bolstering your forces
My god I need this set to bolster my wolves. Wonder if they'll trade like a Viking. Sure I can get my hands on a couple of pigs to trade old school style. Falling that the old faithful plastic will be getting a dent.
I'll wait and see the custodes rules before I decide if I order a box or two or just pick up the Tartaros terminators on eBay.
The reaper autocannons are a definite plus, but since I play Ultramarines I am ambivalent towards the mark 3. I'd be just as likely to put them towards my Ultramarines 3rd Company for my Gladius rather than use them for HH.
Oh, wait. I have a set of dudes with those very same Force Halberds and Force Swords!
The custodes aren't psykers - their weapons are powered, not force. And yes, the similarity to grey knight weapons has been pointed out (4 or 5 pages ago).
@Crazyterran: I don't know about you, but I'll be mixing them through with my 40K dark angels as well as 30K.
This pic is a good example:
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cuda1179 wrote: I wonder how a Custodes army would even work? They'd slaughter other (lesser) elite armies, but they couldn't throw out enough attacks to handle even moderately horde-like armies. Heck, 50 marines would be too many. Not to mention how they would ever catch or destroy vehicles.
Fairly certain the rampage special rule will help. +D3 attacks if the enemy outnumbers your friendlies. Then there's Rage as well so you get +2A on the charge. It starts to add up a bit lol.
Thamor wrote: So does it look like we can make MKIII Despoilers from these?
You'll need bolt pistol hands, but with a bit of work, absolutely! They come with enough Chainswords that can fit into either hand, so it should be pretty simple!
A bit disappointing that there only heavy bolters for the tactical, but it'll still work nicely, i'll just have to plan for a third calth to finish my missile havoks, whoch has the advantage of not needing to mix mk3 and 4 in the same squad.
methebest wrote: A bit disappointing that there only heavy bolters for the tactical, but it'll still work nicely, i'll just have to plan for a third calth to finish my missile havoks, whoch has the advantage of not needing to mix mk3 and 4 in the same squad.
I'm doing half and half. 3 20 man squads with 10 mkIV and 10 mkIII
I don't get the strict armour purity some of you are talking about. Wouldn't a mix be more in line with SM fluff? A.slow rollout of newer marks, replacing damaged suits, veterans keeping their older gear around out of preference (or feeling bonded to the machine spirit) etc.? 'm not the biggest fan of the demystification of the HH, but from the few books I read a somewhat mixed squad/army would make sense, wouldn't it.
That's more of a 40k thing, in the HH era the armour was not the venerated relic with 10,000 years of history, it was simply a tool, so in most cases squads and individuals would just favour that which suited their role best (so MkIII for anything based on close assault, MkIV for the rest if they could get it), so long as it was available. Once supply lines start getting hit as the war drags on, you start to get more mixing-and-matching, but initially most Marines would have complete suits of their favoured mark and pattern.
Typically the Warmaster-allied legions had MK IV, unless they preffered MK III due to it being better in assault, where as legions like the Dark Angels just used whatever they could get their hands on. So if you where doing them, or Iron Hands and possibly Emp's Children, you could mix and match, but for everyone else a uniform armor type works better.
angelofvengeance wrote: @Crazyterran: I don't know about you, but I'll be mixing them through with my 40K dark angels as well as 30K.
This pic is a good example:
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cuda1179 wrote: I wonder how a Custodes army would even work? They'd slaughter other (lesser) elite armies, but they couldn't throw out enough attacks to handle even moderately horde-like armies. Heck, 50 marines would be too many. Not to mention how they would ever catch or destroy vehicles.
Fairly certain the rampage special rule will help. +D3 attacks if the enemy outnumbers your friendlies. Then there's Rage as well so you get +2A on the charge. It starts to add up a bit lol.
I'll probably take my left over mark 4s, the new Mark 3s, and mark 7s and 8s from deathwatch and tactical marine boxes, throw them into (part organized) buckets for my 40k force. Beg, borrow, steal some more Grav cannons. Maybe I'll use Deimos Rhinos with razorback guns for my Razorbacks.
I already have an all mk3 command squad armed with meltaguns, I might have to reprint the trims red. I dunno. That's a future me problem. (Urile Ventris kind of killed the 4th company for me...)
hotsauceman1 wrote: Must resist starting Iron Warriors.
But for the pure marines, this is a bit overcosted IMO. B@C seems to still be the best way to get in, with these guys bolstering your forces
Not seeing how it's overcosted tbh - both boxes include 2 characters, 5 terminators, and 30 marines. All you give up for the 5 Custodes and 5 SoS is the janky monopose Contemptor, and I expect points-wise the former will substantially outweigh the latter, so unless you're playing a traitor Legion, you're really into Contemptors but don't want/can't afford the FW version, or you already own a couple of BoP boxes and so have no more need of Custodes and SoS, BoP seems like the better deal even for 30K Legion army builders. Even then, you could probably easily get enough cash from selling the Custodes/SoS to buy a proper FW Contemptor if you wanted rid of them.
In Canadian dollars, if you go by the standard tactical marines price, you pay for the three squads of marines and a character, and get the rest for free.
If you go by the mk4 private, you get both characters for free.
Which is good, because the characters hold no value for me, so I'll probably offload them for cheap.
Edit: I play a loyalist that likes mk4, unless you are implying something, sir!
Hopefully the reaper autocannons will go on the Cataphractii terminator arms, I would love to make some Fulmentarii for my Ultramarines..!
Yup, there is no way I am not adding all of those Mark III Marines to my old Iron Warriors army. It is also quite a good kit for beginners and those new to painting as the angular armour will take the good old wash and drybrush better than the more modern rounded marks of Marine armour.
I agree with Yodhrin as well, it is a slightly better deal than Calth as well. I just hope that the game is as good, there is no realistic reason why it will not be.
Thamor wrote: So does it look like we can make MKIII Despoilers from these?
You can certainly do fluffy Despoiler squads.
"..trained in fire saturation and carrying additional close combat weaponry for use in overruning enemy positions - the so called Despoiler squads" ~ Betrayal page 70
If you prefer the marketing departments misappropriated use of the term then you're probably better off going with FW - from the sprue shots you only get one bolt pistol and one chainsword with a hand, and only one pair of suitable arms.
Paradigm wrote: (so MkIII for anything based on close assault, MkIV for the rest if they could get it),
MkIII is more of a standoff suit than a close assault suit - it's lack of agility and reduced rear armour would be a serious disadvantage in a swirling melee. Hence FW using MkIII for Breachers (whose standard weaponry is a bolter and pistol but have no option for a ccw) and refusing to do a MkIII jump pack squad (excluding Ashen Circle whose custom armour has few standard MkIII components).
I’m not a huge fan of allies. I know that’s a horribly dated concept, but I just love my Ultramarines. If I wanted to be playing with a different army, I would. With BaC I could use everything in the box. With BoP, I’m going down the contents, and there are “No” and “Maybe” for if I want/can use it.
Both HQs? Nope. Don’t play either of those armies. Sell/trade, or just keep for a painting project.
Custodes/SoS. Maybe. The models look awesome, and the rules I suspect are going to make them useful. But they are not part of the XIIIth.
Take those out and you are looking at 3 tac and a terminator squad for $150 USD. Which is still a discount, but not nearly as impressive.
It will be interesting to see how the value of the parts falls out. How many people are buying it just for the marine half? How many people want larger Custodes/SoS forces? Will the market be flooded with spare HQs? The fact that this box has specific HQs and is divided into two halves makes it less spammable then BaC.
I may just start a small Iron Warriors allied force with this set, just need to track down five missile launchers for the Havocs and get one of those FW Praetor packs with the MK III chap in it, he'll make, with some minor converting, for a most excellent Kyr Vhalen.
For me, I've made it pretty obvious I hate Space Wolves. I can make the marines a different unit, but I need to unload Sir Wolf Douche and replace him when playing the game with somebody else with the same weapon loadout. If I like the game, I'll keep the SOS and Custodes, otherwise I'll ebay them. But the number of loyalists will DEFINITELY join the ranks of my Imperial Fists.
I spotted a heavy bolter among the marines but not a second heavy weapon? Am I blind or just not spotting it?
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Seems like I'm doing a pre-betrayal Iron Warriors force. Or at least some of the few that refused to betray the Emperor. Iron Warriors are just so damn cool.
Seems like I'm doing a pre-betrayal Iron Warriors force. Or at least some of the few that refused to betray the Emperor. Iron Warriors are just so damn cool.
IRON WITHIN! IRON WITHOUT!
Was just thinking the same thing, IW fit mk3 so perfectly imo.
Seems like I'm doing a pre-betrayal Iron Warriors force. Or at least some of the few that refused to betray the Emperor. Iron Warriors are just so damn cool.
IRON WITHIN! IRON WITHOUT!
Was just thinking the same thing, IW fit mk3 so perfectly imo.
Nevelon wrote: I still think BaC is a better get started box.
I’m not a huge fan of allies. I know that’s a horribly dated concept, but I just love my Ultramarines. If I wanted to be playing with a different army, I would. With BaC I could use everything in the box. With BoP, I’m going down the contents, and there are “No” and “Maybe” for if I want/can use it.
Both HQs? Nope. Don’t play either of those armies. Sell/trade, or just keep for a painting project.
Custodes/SoS. Maybe. The models look awesome, and the rules I suspect are going to make them useful. But they are not part of the XIIIth.
Take those out and you are looking at 3 tac and a terminator squad for $150 USD. Which is still a discount, but not nearly as impressive.
It will be interesting to see how the value of the parts falls out. How many people are buying it just for the marine half? How many people want larger Custodes/SoS forces? Will the market be flooded with spare HQs? The fact that this box has specific HQs and is divided into two halves makes it less spammable then BaC.
You act like those Custodes and SoS have no value because you won't use them. Those will be in high demand and can be traded or sold for more of the standard units. Assume the Custodes or SoS are worth 5 terminators or 10 MK3 Marines for each. Then you're looking at something like 40 MK3 and 10 terminators for $150, plus the character models. Seems like a great deal to me. Barring trades you can expect to easily get $20-25 per squad of Custodes or SoS, so you're looking at $100-110 for the marines before online discount. Again, this seems like a pretty great deal.
You pay an extra 60 quid per box for no adequately explainable reason and then say it's not 'overcosted'.
I assumed the folks upstairs had already altered the Dakka forum software to auto-append "not for viewers in the Antipodes" to any forum post that included the words "GW" and "cost" in a positive context
So SOS will be my assassin replacement if I can load them in a transport that is. Picture them hopping out of a LR to take away super friends invisibility then rest of army shoots super friends away. And null aura says all psychic powers out right? so 6 in and all your fancy re rolls go bye bye. Am I correct on this?
Starfarer wrote: You act like those Custodes and SoS have no value because you won't use them. Those will be in high demand and can be traded or sold for more of the standard units. Assume the Custodes or SoS are worth 5 terminators or 10 MK3 Marines for each. Then you're looking at something like 40 MK3 and 10 terminators for $150, plus the character models. Seems like a great deal to me. Barring trades you can expect to easily get $20-25 per squad of Custodes or SoS, so you're looking at $100-110 for the marines before online discount. Again, this seems like a pretty great deal.
I try to evaluate boxes on their own merits. Once you start talking about trades/sales it’s a lot harder to judge things. Things like how big your local group is and who plays what can make dramatic differences in how easy it is to get rid of the stuff you don’t want. If you go online to sell/trade, you have to factor shipping costs, potential for things getting lost/scammed, etc. And if you have to jump through hoops to get your value out of a thing, you should consider the time and effort it takes to make it happen.
Value is also a very personal thing. One man’s garbage is another’s gold. I view this box primarily as a marine player. Any non-marine thing in there I’m going to value less. Not that the other stuff has zero value. I’d still enjoy painting them, and might work them into a list if the rules are decent and they fill a role I can’t do with my Ultras. But I’d rather have more marines.
Honestly, I’m still on the fence on keeping the extras. They are very sparkly. I suspect if I get a good offer from a local, I would probably part with them. If not, they will just get built and painted, and sit on the shelf most of the time.
The more I think about it, I might just get Betrayal at Calth instead of Burning of Prospero. I agree with Nevelon, BaC is a better starter overall. Too bad that BaC didn't have Tartaros Terminators (seriously Tartaros use Mk IV tech and are visually similar).
Sisters:
ws5, bs4, s3, t3, w1, i5, a2, ld10, 2+.
Preferred enemy (psykers), hatred (psykers)
furious charge and a pariah blade which inflicts ID on any model with the psyker special rule and otherwise is ap3.
they will have the pariah rule meaning they can never be the target of any psychic power. and all psychic powers cease to be in effect within 6" of the unit
It would, but points are a consideration. As someone math-hammered... the Custodes would run almost 120pts per model with those stats if they were given parity with similar models. I just can't see that happening.
Oh, and Sisters of Silence would be amazing in a Drop-Pod... shame thanks to the FAQ there is no way to do that any more unless they somehow have Pods as dedicated transports.
They are fluffy at the very least, Rampage on the Custodes in particular is fitting, as they are described as being solitary fighters taking on several opponents at once, as opposed to Astartes, who are team players.
Watching people actually wish list and get visions of sugar plums from a 4chan anonymous user's rumour deeply warms my cockles and shows how just desparate people are to believe anything.
BloodGrin wrote: Watching people actually wish list and get visions of sugar plums from a 4chan anonymous user's rumour deeply warms my cockles and shows how just desparate people are to believe anything.
I think the given stats aren't out of what I'd expect Custodes and Sisters to be, but I'm tossing in grains of salt because I'd expect Custodes to be, at the very least, Bulky.
Davor wrote: Would this be a good way to start a Dark Angels Fallen army? I keep forgetting, what type of Mark armour did the Fallen have at the time?
The legions used all the different marks up to mk6 to varying degrees. It really comes down to your personal preference. If your not to fussed about mk3 or Tartaros armour I'd go for Calth as it has no legion or loyalist specific models.
lord_blackfang wrote: You're just getting the Contemptor and losing 5 Custodians and 5 SoS tho, right? And Tartaros termies are waaay sweeter IMHO.
But for non-SW or non-1KSons, you are also losing your two HQs, one of which is the ever-useful Cataphractii Captain. So there is more lost than just that. For me, since I want the SW Captain just to have, I am sure I will find him cheap online. Losing out on the Custodes will be kinda sad though.
casvalremdeikun wrote: But for non-SW or non-1KSons, you are also losing your two HQs, one of which is the ever-useful Cataphractii Captain. So there is more lost than just that. For me, since I want the SW Captain just to have, I am sure I will find him cheap online. Losing out on the Custodes will be kinda sad though.
I don't run 30k wolves or 1k sons(not yet anyway ) But fortunately I do have a place for all the non generics. The Custodes and Sisters will be fine alongside my 30/40k Ultras, the SWHQ will go in the Death watch and 30k Ahriman will probably get a head swap and join the forthcoming 40k 1k sons.
You can sort of empathise with the Space Wolves. They were led to believe (by Horus) that what they were doing was right and sanctioned by the Emperor, after all. Even Russ was a little reluctant to strike his brother.
My plans for my Death Guard project: 2 boxes
30 normal marines
10 heavy support (maybe with fw upgread weapons)
20 Aussault marines (3rd party upgrade bitz)
10 SoS --> to my inquisition force
10 Terminators --> DG 10 Custodes --> ebay?
1 Chaos hero --> bitzbox
1 Chaos hero --> ebay?
1 SW hero --> SW40k lonewolf
1 SW hero --> ebay?
This should be a very allrounding base for my infantry. So just DN and heavy tanks are missing.
The Custodes in that video. HNNNGGG, those swords are unbelivable sexy. And the Fell-hand, Lord, that is an amazing HQ sculpt for SW!
Still, MAGNUS DID NOTHING WRONG!
Apart from being an narcistic, arrogant and deceitful bastard who violated the Emperor's law, ruined the Emperor's webway project and humanity's future with it, made use of forbidden knowledge, fraternised with the Great Enemy and let his homeworld and loyal sons die just because he was too busy with his self-pity. Truly Magnus did nothing wrong.
And Fellhand is a really sexy model indeed. I kinda want to start a 30k SW force now... If only I had money. I still need to finish an Iron Warriors and an Isstvan-themed shattered legion force for 30k first. And then I also want to do Sons of Horus after that... And maybe Thousand Sons too... Not to mention all the 40k stuff I need to work on. And all the boardgames I want to have. Guess I will be permanently out of time and money... In any case, this box will make a beautiful addition to my Sallies and a great start for the Iron Hands part of my shattered legion.
OMG, the Custodes weapons are so gross! They look like characters from a stupid manga... facepalm over 9 000 Why GW ?! WHY ?!!! Such a shame ! Fortunately, I will easily convert mine, but, still...
I hate to be so negative about such a wonderful release, but I can't do otherwise.
godardc wrote: OMG, the Custodes weapons are so gross! They look like characters from a stupid manga... facepalm over 9 000 Why GW ?! WHY ?!!! Such a shame ! Fortunately, I will easily convert mine, but, still...
I hate to be so negative about such a wonderful release, but I can't do otherwise.
Apart from being an narcistic, arrogant and deceitful bastard who violated the Emperor's law, ruined the Emperor's webway project and humanity's future with it, made use of forbidden knowledge, fraternised with the Great Enemy and let his homeworld and loyal sons die just because he was too busy with his self-pity. Truly Magnus did nothing wrong.
To be fair he probably got a lot of that from his dad
Fragile masculinity is fragile. Don't let the lady-dollies being better than the man-dollies bend you out of shape, chaps. Special characters and elite units have better rules. Same as it ever was.
Even if I'm really not a fan of the SOS, I must say that this box is still really tempting. Gaigor ad Arihman are beautiful minis, and the Custodes seems great too (I think they will look a lot better when not painted gold). And the price is really good too. Was thinking about selling my SW, but this make me reconsider my decision.
On the negative side, the scale seems to be all over the place though. It seems like Arihman and Gaigor are way bigger than normal marine, and that the marine themselves are smaller than the SOS.
Its a bit premature but I do wonder where GW will go with there Heresy line after this. Will we be back in 12 months getting excited about a new boxed game full of mk2 or mk5 Marines?
GoatboyBeta wrote: Its a bit premature but I do wonder where GW will go with there Heresy line after this. Will we be back in 12 months getting excited about a new boxed game full of mk2 or mk5 Marines?
If CSM players had any say in the matter they would be themed to match the 40k release of a new legion dex *secretly prays to the dark gods that TSons and this will mark a precedent for things to come*
If loyalists getting access to two super special snowflake factions is the cost of getting a proper codex for a traitor legion I say we need more imperial releases XD
I would be up for another boxed game with a traitor specific unit or two if it got us plastic mk5. But as much as GW loves Marines are we really going to end up with 4 or 5 different tactical squad boxes on the shelves? Unless they start inventing new units they are going to have move even further away from the Calth blueprint of board game full of Space marine infantry than this Prospero release.
No reason to not do more 'Armour Marks' boxed game sets. Each one gives them nice sprues to replace FW models with so as to expand their capacity and reduce cost, and a big bump of cash from each release. Plus each boxed game won't be around forever. I'd imagine Calth will be phased out very soon if Prospero is launching.
These models are really well made. (Those bolter swords look ridiculous though.) I have never been a huge fan of the designs of either Custodes or SoS, nor are the power and terminator armour marks featured in this box my favourites, so I might pass. Maybe...
I really want to see a proper size comparison of these models, though. The sisters look really tall, but it is hard to judge from the videos. I also want to see whether the marines are in the new slightly larger scale like the Deathwatch.
I am quietly hoping that the next HH boardgame (for there most certainly will be one) will feature MK2 marines and MK1 terminators, maybe even plastic jetbikes too?
This artwork popped up from FW a while back and boy do those termies look tough! What Centurions should have looked like imho, they must have the safest shoulders in the galaxy
However I am perfectly happy with the releases we have gotten so far. No need to rush a good thing! In fact I wouldn't mind some xenos releases for a while just so I can catch up on my painting...
I think the Marines will be the same size as the Calth ones. They need to be 100% cross-compatible with the Forge World add-ons (torsos, heads, weapons, etc), after all.
I really need some Tartaros termies as well. I've got a plan for at least one squad of them...
Ok, some rules from someone who says they have seen the WD:
Nope, 55 points per model, with a starting squad cost of 125 for three.(Horus Heresy rules from november's white dwarf)
WS5 BS5 S5 T5 A2 W2 with a 2+/5++ armour save.
The guardian spear is a S User/+1 AP 3/2 with the alternate profile applying on the charge and a special rule which causes it to generate an additional hit(or to hit roll, can't remember) on a to-hit roll of six. It also comes with an inbuilt S4 AP 4 assault 2 bolter with range 18".
The Custodes Armour gives them move through cover.
And the Custodes themselves have a special rule which extends their cohesion range to 3" rather than 2" and another which increases them to WS 6 when fighting opponents with equal or less WS than them.
They also have a sword and shield option which uses an elite choice. Those guys get a 4++ save which I think is rerollable under a certain circumstance and they have a power sword with rending and an inbuilt bolt weapon with a special rule called hail of fire.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Ok, some rules from someone who says they have seen the WD:
Nope, 55 points per model, with a starting squad cost of 125 for three.(Horus Heresy rules from november's white dwarf)
WS5 BS5 S5 T5 A2 W2 with a 2+/5++ armour save.
The guardian spear is a S User/+1 AP 3/2 with the alternate profile applying on the charge and a special rule which causes it to generate an additional hit(or to hit roll, can't remember) on a to-hit roll of six. It also comes with an inbuilt S4 AP 4 assault 2 bolter with range 18".
The Custodes Armour gives them move through cover.
And the Custodes themselves have a special rule which extends their cohesion range to 3" rather than 2" and another which increases them to WS 6 when fighting opponents with equal or less WS than them.
They also have a sword and shield option which uses an elite choice. Those guys get a 4++ save which I think is rerollable under a certain circumstance and they have a power sword with rending and an inbuilt bolt weapon with a special rule called hail of fire.
So there we go.
Seems like the points are super low for what they are, way better than gal vorbek base squad and only 35 pts more with 5, also way better than terminators upgraded squad for not much more pts. perhaps he got the base squad pt cost wrong as its much lower than 3 custodes and that's not how 30k usually calculates base squad cost. i would expect it to be no less than 165 and can honestly see it up to 200 base.
They don't have a very large damage output, especially since they will struggle to get to melee (or not, depending on which transports they get. Without one they are plasma fodder.)
They are better than Gal Vorbak to be sure, although GV do have DS.
Out of context quote of the year award goes tooooo....
on topic, Mk3! huzah for my death guard, really i think this set is an improvement over calth, and i was pretty well satisfied with that. The custodes and SoS are not really the types of peep to be rolling with my DG but maybe ill have to start up another chapter for my HH era stuff.
If the leak is true then its interesting that the Guardian Spear is pretty much the same (melee stats wise) to the Phoenix Spear that the Emperor's Children have access to. I'm surprised they don't have the same stats or abilities as the Watch Master's (though I guess 3+ models blocking attacks would get tedious and weird against guys like Imperial Knights).
The only interactions I can think of where that rule isn't pointless is:
- In 30k (so where we'll see them almost 100% of the time) against Emperor's Children with Sonic Shriekers, where if they had WS6 normally they'd be decreased to WS5 and forced to hit things like Phoenix Terminators on 4s rather than 3s.
- In 40k against Slaanesh Daemons as part of that Formation (since Formations can't be used in the Age of Darkness expansion) that gives enemy units in base contact -1 WS. Again, native WS6 would mean hitting Daemonettes on 4s rather than 3s.
- The very few Psychic powers in the game that decrease WS to the point where the Custodes WS6 would be reduced to the same as the unit they are fighting.
In every other case it's 100% useless as you said, and in all honesty I agree that for simplicity's sake they should have just been made WS6. I just wrote this because I'm a bit bored .
That is, of course, assume that rumor is accurate (and given this is the second 'Custode Stat Leak' in like a day... well let's just say I'm not 100% convinced it's real).
streetsamurai wrote: they are strong, but not that strong and will get shred to pieces by terminators quivalent with pf, except on the charge.
don't really like that some humans have s5 t5. This should be restricted to xeno's or daemons.
You know Custodes (and Marines) aren't really human, right? The Custodes are essentially hand crafted genetically engineered warriors built by the Emperor. S5 T5 fits.
Back on topic: this is a great box! I'm planning on having a 20 man tactical wearing mkIII, one in mkIV, a 10 man mkIII veteran squad, and 5 man mkIV tactical support and heavy squads. Because supposedly it's heresy to mix armor marks
Commander Cain wrote: I am quietly hoping that the next HH boardgame (for there most certainly will be one) will feature MK2 marines and MK1 terminators, maybe even plastic jetbikes too?
This artwork popped up from FW a while back and boy do those termies look tough! What Centurions should have looked like imho, they must have the safest shoulders in the galaxy
Oh yes, mk1(Saturine?) Terminators based on the old metal model would be great.
H.B.M.C. wrote: But don't Marines mix armour all the time? I'm pretty sure that the only combination that doesn't work is a MkVI helmet with a MkVIII torso.
Well seems according to some guys in thread especially early heresy it was "what mark suited role best" with everybody in squad having same mark. Later when supplies became issue they started mixing stuff(leading to the mk 5 armour).
So guess you could just say your marines are from later stages of HH? Or just ignore nitpickers. Your game, your fluff, your decision and to the hell what GW or other players say. In our story Belial is already dead! (not because we hate him but because he ended up in situation where he...well got killed. Heroicly but still died. Think he got like close to 2 dozen wounds from powerfist so that's quite dead!)
H.B.M.C. wrote: But don't Marines mix armour all the time? I'm pretty sure that the only combination that doesn't work is a MkVI helmet with a MkVIII torso.
It all works in the heresy setting. If you want every marine in your force composed of one mark, it works. If you want to equip one squad with mkIII and one with mkIV, it works. If you want to mix and match suit parts, it works. Every marine has an upgrade helmet? Works. Every squad has a random mix of armour marks? Works. Every suit is individualised? Works.
Vector Strike wrote: Please guys, let's keep the conversation about the boxes. You can create a thread in the General subforum about girls playing 40k.
More than happy to do so. I'm not especially interested in that discussion, but when people say ridiculous things it does need to be addressed. So preorders on the 22nd means release is on the 29th?
Yes, Saturday 29th. November WD will get released a day earlier though, on Friday like always. And the LE Standard bearer from FW will be available on the 22nd.
I'm picking mine up on the 30th, did have to pre-order it at the FLGS though, just to be sure, as word has it quite a few folks will be picking one (or two) up on the day itself.
Here's hoping though that the local GW rep will be around again by then. The FLGS hasn't had new releases two weeks in a row now.
H.B.M.C. wrote: But don't Marines mix armour all the time? I'm pretty sure that the only combination that doesn't work is a MkVI helmet with a MkVIII torso.
Well seems according to some guys in thread especially early heresy it was "what mark suited role best" with everybody in squad having same mark. Later when supplies became issue they started mixing stuff(leading to the mk 5 armour).
So guess you could just say your marines are from later stages of HH? Or just ignore nitpickers. Your game, your fluff, your decision and to the hell what GW or other players say. In our story Belial is already dead! (not because we hate him but because he ended up in situation where he...well got killed. Heroicly but still died. Think he got like close to 2 dozen wounds from powerfist so that's quite dead!)
Generally as long as your not useing any clearly 40k/MK7 parts, then just mix and match as you see fit is more people's rule of thumb for 30k.
The only thing is that some MK's don't look very good mixed together. Generally people stick to MK2/3 and MK 4/6 with MK5 sprinkled into both for flavour.
Any purist tutting over that is just ignorant of the fluff. The MKII 'Mars' Rhino was in use in the Great Crusade and Heresy, though it was much rarer than the 'Deimos'.
The WD article was published in late 2013, if I'm not mistaken in November (October?). It is one of the early days HH projects. I just love it and will certainly build mine in a similiar fashion.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Any purist tutting over that is just ignorant of the fluff. The MKII 'Mars' Rhino was in use in the Great Crusade and Heresy, though it was much rarer than the 'Deimos'.
If useing MKII Rhinos isn't "correct", then why dose FW only make legion upgrade doors for MKII rhinos?
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Any purist tutting over that is just ignorant of the fluff. The MKII 'Mars' Rhino was in use in the Great Crusade and Heresy, though it was much rarer than the 'Deimos'.
If useing MKII Rhinos isn't "correct", then why dose FW only make legion upgrade doors for MKII rhinos?
Well technically speaking that's not proof since FW does sell stuff to this game called "warhammer 40k", not just HH And vehicle doors on both 40k and HH side lead to the same page so technically one could arque mkII doors are for 40k, mkI doors are for HH.
But of course that's ignoring fluff(even if that fluff was made to ensure more sales it's still valid fluff)
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Any purist tutting over that is just ignorant of the fluff. The MKII 'Mars' Rhino was in use in the Great Crusade and Heresy, though it was much rarer than the 'Deimos'.
If useing MKII Rhinos isn't "correct", then why dose FW only make legion upgrade doors for MKII rhinos?
Eh, you may want to reread what I wrote... I'm saying the MKII was used in the Heresy and Great Crusade and therefore anyone saying it's 'incorrect' to use one is ignorant of the fluff.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Any purist tutting over that is just ignorant of the fluff. The MKII 'Mars' Rhino was in use in the Great Crusade and Heresy, though it was much rarer than the 'Deimos'.
If useing MKII Rhinos isn't "correct", then why dose FW only make legion upgrade doors for MKII rhinos?
Eh, you may want to reread what I wrote... I'm saying the MKII was used in the Heresy and Great Crusade and therefore anyone saying it's 'incorrect' to use one is ignorant of the fluff.
I wasn't even planning on mixing parts. Just having half and half squads. By my calculations BaC and BoP I should have enough plasma guns (does Prospero come with flamers?) and heavy bolters to make a squad of each.
perhaps, I'm not playing Horus Heresy though, and in 40k they aren't as elite as they should be In my opinion, the earlier "rumours" from 4chan was very good and fitting.
So as we all know, or should know, by now, on 22nd October you will be able to preorder the box on Games Workshop site. By 29th we will see the official release in the shops. The important news is that it is NOT an expansion to Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth. Rules and mechanics are different.
The box will be priced at 95 GBP, the painting guide at 6 GBP and there's also will be a novel available for 20 GBP.
The shops will also receive the following items to distribute as the please:
Art cards - 8 sets
Pin Badges (Ahriman, Geigor) - 70 (35 each)
D12 dice for Space Wolves
D12 dice for Thousand Sons
So what's in the box?
47 plastic miniatures
Geigor Fell-Hand
Ahriman
30x Tactical Marines MK3
5x Tartaros Terminators
5x Custodian Guard
5x Sisters of Silence
16 page background book
32 page rulebook
5 double sided tiles to play on
15 psychic power cards
36 warp energy and will power cards
24 dice - D6, D8, D10, D12
Weapons available on the sprues via Bolter and Chainsword:
Tactical squad
11 chainswords
1 power sword
2 power fists (with option for 1 lightning claw)
1 thunderhammer
7 bolt pistols
1 plasma pistol
1 plasma gun
1 melta gun
1 heavy bolter
10 bolters
Terminators
power fists (at least 4 can be lightning claws)
twin linked bolters
1 plasma blaster
1 volkite
1 power sword
1 autocannon
1 heavy flamer
grenade harness
Sisters of Silence
5 bolters
5 flamers
6 greatswords
The box offers a saving of 60% according to GW, so buy asap to save some money. They will get more expensive when they run out and you have to buy separately.
It's super awesome what GW has done with Betrayal at Calth and Burning of Prospero... the temptation to mix the two box sets and create something like an early Black Templars crusade force is incredibly tempting, although I cannot justify it!
BrookM wrote: I can already hear the tutting from the purist for him using plastic Rhinos instead of the "proper" ones.
Gorgeous army though!
Someone should ask those "Purists" why FW made so many pre-heresy Rhino door/front glacis upgrades, then. Because those are only of use on the Mars pattern, and can't be used on the Deimos pattern.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Any purist tutting over that is just ignorant of the fluff. The MKII 'Mars' Rhino was in use in the Great Crusade and Heresy, though it was much rarer than the 'Deimos'.
If useing MKII Rhinos isn't "correct", then why dose FW only make legion upgrade doors for MKII rhinos?
Well technically speaking that's not proof since FW does sell stuff to this game called "warhammer 40k", not just HH And vehicle doors on both 40k and HH side lead to the same page so technically one could arque mkII doors are for 40k, mkI doors are for HH.
But of course that's ignoring fluff(even if that fluff was made to ensure more sales it's still valid fluff)
And the door sets for legions that turned traitor? Those don't really have any place in 40k.
H.B.M.C. wrote: But don't Marines mix armour all the time? I'm pretty sure that the only combination that doesn't work is a MkVI helmet with a MkVIII torso.
Well seems according to some guys in thread especially early heresy it was "what mark suited role best" with everybody in squad having same mark. Later when supplies became issue they started mixing stuff(leading to the mk 5 armour).
So guess you could just say your marines are from later stages of HH? Or just ignore nitpickers. Your game, your fluff, your decision and to the hell what GW or other players say. In our story Belial is already dead! (not because we hate him but because he ended up in situation where he...well got killed. Heroicly but still died. Think he got like close to 2 dozen wounds from powerfist so that's quite dead!)
I would never tell someone else how to model their army, but I will admit to having some hobby paralysis over what Marks to use where. I have a couple boxes worth of Calth stashed that I want to use to make a 'full set' for Ultras and Word Bearers so I can play Calth with every option, and I'm thinking of doing the same for Burning of Prospero. I'm wondering, though, if I should switch around some of the Mk IIIs and IVs to add a little more variety to both game sets. I'm especially thinking my Prospero 1k Sons are going to need a couple MkIVs so I can get one of those FW Archaon upgrade sets, as those look much more like I picture TSons than the MkIIIs do. At the same time, I can't decide if it makes sense for the Ultras or Word Bearers at Calth to have many Mk III suits.
GW have used different dice during their golden boardgame era (80s-mid 90s) too. Advanced Space Crusade had D12, Space Hulk D6, and like BaC Space Crusade had custom dice. They are bringin back some welcome rules diversity with this. On Boardgamegeek they had some forum discussions, also showing which rules expansions from older games (like Harlequins and IG for Space Hulk, printed in Citadel Journal) would work with which modern GW board game. There are quite some similiarities, despite the many new mechanics - mostly because of the dice and stats.
Thamor wrote: Why so many Bolt pistols and Chainswords with the MKIII?
They're Despoiler Squads:
If fighting is expected to be at close quarters, such as in boarding actions or trench clearance, Tactical squads can sometimes forgo the standard bolter in favour of the combination of a bolt pistol and chainsword, allowing the Astartes more manoeuvrability in whatever tight confines they may find themselves in. These more assault orientated units are referred to as Despoiler Squads within the Legiones Astartes.
Thamor wrote: Why so many Bolt pistols and Chainswords with the MKIII?
They're Despoiler Squads:
If fighting is expected to be at close quarters, such as in boarding actions or trench clearance, Tactical squads can sometimes forgo the standard bolter in favour of the combination of a bolt pistol and chainsword, allowing the Astartes more manoeuvrability in whatever tight confines they may find themselves in. These more assault orientated units are referred to as Despoiler Squads within the Legiones Astartes.
Except 6 of the bolt pistols and 10 of the chain swords are sheathed ; so it's pretty much the same as the Calth box. Now ito be fair, it does look like the chainswords uses some kind of strap for a sheath; so that may be an easy modification to get un-sheathed chainswords.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Ok, some rules from someone who says they have seen the WD:
Nope, 55 points per model, with a starting squad cost of 125 for three.(Horus Heresy rules from november's white dwarf)
WS5 BS5 S5 T5 A2 W2 with a 2+/5++ armour save.
The guardian spear is a S User/+1 AP 3/2 with the alternate profile applying on the charge and a special rule which causes it to generate an additional hit(or to hit roll, can't remember) on a to-hit roll of six. It also comes with an inbuilt S4 AP 4 assault 2 bolter with range 18".
The Custodes Armour gives them move through cover.
And the Custodes themselves have a special rule which extends their cohesion range to 3" rather than 2" and another which increases them to WS 6 when fighting opponents with equal or less WS than them.
They also have a sword and shield option which uses an elite choice. Those guys get a 4++ save which I think is rerollable under a certain circumstance and they have a power sword with rending and an inbuilt bolt weapon with a special rule called hail of fire.
shade1313 wrote: And the door sets for legions that turned traitor? Those don't really have any place in 40k.
Did iron warriors etc rip them away then?
Still agreeing with you. MKII was in use in HH as well. And even if GW said no it wasn't who cares? Your game, your models, your fluff, you do what you want.
I am going to want 5 sets of the sisters and Custodes when this comes out. Hope that there are people wanting to sell off that portion for a decent price.
conker249 wrote: I am going to want 5 sets of the sisters and Custodes when this comes out. Hope that there are people wanting to sell off that portion for a decent price.
With how many people are going to want loads and loads of Mk IIIs and Tartaros-patter Termies, I am sure the other characters will be just as available.
Still wanting to do some heresy iron warriors but wanted to use the rest of the legionnaires for small display in the cabinet of every legion. Quick off topic question, I have only read the First Heretic so far and around the Drop Site Massacre, were the Luna Wolves still in the old colours or were they now Sons of Horus with the dark green armour?
unmercifulconker wrote: Still wanting to do some heresy iron warriors but wanted to use the rest of the legionnaires for small display in the cabinet of every legion. Quick off topic question, I have only read the First Heretic so far and around the Drop Site Massacre, were the Luna Wolves still in the old colours or were they now Sons of Horus with the dark green armour?
Sons of Horus. The HH books start after Horus is crowned Warmaster and renames his Legion, so, before he is corrupted. By the time of Drop Site Massacre he's already that good ol' Horus we all know and hate
Nope, he doesn't take up the offer of renaming them until after the Interex campaign. Until then they were still Luna Wolves. By the time of the dropsite massacre they're Sons of Horus.
Bull0 wrote: Nope, he doesn't take up the offer of renaming them until after the Interex campaign. Until then they were still Luna Wolves. By the time of the dropsite massacre they're Sons of Horus.
You are absolutely right!
"Alone in her quarters, Euphrati Keeler thanks the Divine Emperor for placing humanity's fate in the hands of Horus and his Legion - who, after the battle against the Interex, shall henceforth be known as the Sons of Horus."
Bull0 wrote: Nope, he doesn't take up the offer of renaming them until after the Interex campaign. Until then they were still Luna Wolves. By the time of the dropsite massacre they're Sons of Horus.
You are absolutely right!
"Alone in her quarters, Euphrati Keeler thanks the Divine Emperor for placing humanity's fate in the hands of Horus and his Legion - who, after the battle against the Interex, shall henceforth be known as the Sons of Horus."
I had to look it up, to be fair. That book was a long time ago now!
Same! If that happened, it would be thanks to the boardgames! Boardgames is where GW could go wild and create some of the rarer xenos!
For now, I need to make plans for my Iron Warriors (Or Hands? Argh! Decisions!). But I want to paint that pre-heresy Ahriman so damn much, it's such a beautiful model!
I just finished re-reading Horus Rising in an attempt to get further in the series than I did last time, and yeah, the Interex stuff is great. Would love to see them fleshed out further somewhere.
Same! If that happened, it would be thanks to the boardgames! Boardgames is where GW could go wild and create some of the rarer xenos!
They could even use existing rules for them. You could use Imperial Militia and Cults rules, granting them Provenances of War like Gene Crafted or Survivors of a Dark Age.
I can't believe we're not talking about the amazing backdrop terrain they made for the photoshoot. It's perfect- not covered in skulls, looks great but doesn't overpower the minis.
I'm surprised they released Ahriman as part of this box set and not as part of the forgeworld Character Series - seems quite weird to me. Unless they thought this game needed an extra hook on top of the custodes and SoS.
The custodes leader also looks like he's been designed to look like Valdor who was obviously also there, though they haven't said he is. So maybe he will be character series (I hope!)
TommyBs wrote: I'm surprised they released Ahriman as part of this box set and not as part of the forgeworld Character Series - seems quite weird to me. Unless they thought this game needed an extra hook on top of the custodes and SoS.
The custodes leader also looks like he's been designed to look like Valdor who was obviously also there, though they haven't said he is. So maybe he will be character series (I hope!)
The idea my local group gets is as follows...
The characters in the box are special characters - however, they are deliberately designed to be relatively 'generic'. They're special characters for the purposes of scenarios in the box...and when FW does release the Fancy Version as part of their character series these special characters-lite make great generic equivalents.
JohnHwangDD wrote: I am still waiting for the add-ons for Custodes and Sisters. GW did add-on for GS, along with the DV starters, so there should be adds for BoP.
=Angel= wrote: I can't believe we're not talking about the amazing backdrop terrain they made for the photoshoot. It's perfect- not covered in skulls, looks great but doesn't overpower the minis.
Do reckon that's cast, or clever foam core work?
Yeah I was admiring it as well! Looks very similar to a LotR castle they showcased in a WD many years ago which I think was made from foam core.
Still waiting on Hrud, Bergasi, Kroot mercenary bands. Them to bring back the Zoats. So on and so forth. GW has lots of rabbits left to pull out of their hat. Who knows what may pop up next. I feel like I'm being vindicated for sticking with gw through the last 5 years.
=Angel= wrote: I can't believe we're not talking about the amazing backdrop terrain they made for the photoshoot. It's perfect- not covered in skulls, looks great but doesn't overpower the minis.
Do reckon that's cast, or clever foam core work?
Looks like balsa foam or something similar to me. Very well-done whatever it is.
=Angel= wrote: I can't believe we're not talking about the amazing backdrop terrain they made for the photoshoot. It's perfect- not covered in skulls, looks great but doesn't overpower the minis.
Do reckon that's cast, or clever foam core work?
I think it's not Foam Core, But that hard pink foam that's been cut/carved to shape.
For lack of a better word, deciding what I want to get. I reallyrics want BaC for the better model count(and the HQs), but if I get BoP, I get the iconic Imperial Fists Mk III armor as well as the Custodes. I could sell off the Sisters of Silence and make a decent amount of my money back. I could then just get parted out HQs from BaC and several sets of Mk IV.
casvalremdeikun wrote: For lack of a better word, deciding what I want to get. I reallyrics want BaC for the better model count(and the HQs), but if I get BoP, I get the iconic Imperial Fists Mk III armor as well as the Custodes. I could sell off the Sisters of Silence and make a decent amount of my money back. I could then just get parted out HQs from BaC and several sets of Mk IV.
Decisions decisions.
Why not buy BaC and head to ebay for 1 or 2 squads of mkIII armour?
casvalremdeikun wrote: For lack of a better word, deciding what I want to get. I reallyrics want BaC for the better model count(and the HQs), but if I get BoP, I get the iconic Imperial Fists Mk III armor as well as the Custodes. I could sell off the Sisters of Silence and make a decent amount of my money back. I could then just get parted out HQs from BaC and several sets of Mk IV.
Decisions decisions.
Why not buy BaC and head to ebay for 1 or 2 squads of mkIII armour?
I am probably going to do the opposite. I will get 3-4 squads of Mk IV and twould of the Mk IV HQs, and get BoP. I could sell Ahriman and I already know someone who wants the Sisters of Silence. I would turn the Mk III into Breacher squads and the Mk IV into Tactical Squads (possibly Veteran Tactical Squads).
This set is going to be hard to resist, as I'm too deep into preparing for the new Blood Bowl set. Custodes and the sisters are two things i've always wanted to see in the game. But I still haven't fully assembled and painted DW overkill and WHQ silver tower, the last thing I need is another huge box of plastic to sit around in my closet for a year.
The mk 3 thousand sons look pretty generic though, compared to the art which gives them more intricate helmets and armor. I always thought they looked better in mk II armor as well...they never struck me as being the legion to wade around in exclusively mk 3 armor.
casvalremdeikun wrote: For lack of a better word, deciding what I want to get. I reallyrics want BaC for the better model count(and the HQs), but if I get BoP, I get the iconic Imperial Fists Mk III armor as well as the Custodes. I could sell off the Sisters of Silence and make a decent amount of my money back. I could then just get parted out HQs from BaC and several sets of Mk IV.
casvalremdeikun wrote: For lack of a better word, deciding what I want to get. I reallyrics want BaC for the better model count(and the HQs), but if I get BoP, I get the iconic Imperial Fists Mk III armor as well as the Custodes. I could sell off the Sisters of Silence and make a decent amount of my money back. I could then just get parted out HQs from BaC and several sets of Mk IV.
You can argue calth is more generic but the custodes and sisters will be highly sought after for trades.
Generic is better since neither of the characters are usable in an Imperial Fists Legion. I just got three Mk IV squads and two of the PABaC characters off ebay (for fairly cheap). Now I can get Prospero(from Frontline Gaming for 25% off) and sell off the Sisters and Ahriman. Should make for a nice start to a Legion.
Thargrim wrote: This set is going to be hard to resist, as I'm too deep into preparing for the new Blood Bowl set. Custodes and the sisters are two things i've always wanted to see in the game. But I still haven't fully assembled and painted DW overkill and WHQ silver tower, the last thing I need is another huge box of plastic to sit around in my closet for a year.
The mk 3 thousand sons look pretty generic though, compared to the art which gives them more intricate helmets and armor. I always thought they looked better in mk II armor as well...they never struck me as being the legion to wade around in exclusively mk 3 armor.
I'm of a different mind myself. What has made me lose interest in Space Marines over the last 10 years is the sheer amount of junk they have caked on them. The Horus Heresy stuff was great with its generic marines because it creates a lot more uniformity, allowing particular little details to show through (as opposed to an entire squad of special snowflakes). I like that it keeps the marines look less like caricatures of their particular themes. Space Wolves are particularly egregious with this in 40k, saturated head-to-toe in wolves. Here, in simple grey armor and a few special details, I think they shine much more positively.
Slap in a couple of the FW helmet kits interspersed with a few squads, and it'll make for some really good-looking Sons.
The mk 3 thousand sons look pretty generic though, compared to the art which gives them more intricate helmets and armor. I always thought they looked better in mk II armor as well...they never struck me as being the legion to wade around in exclusively mk 3 armor.
All the better to sell FW upgrade kits, I can see why they let GW make these generic Mk IIIs.
Accolade wrote: I like that it keeps the marines look less like caricatures of their particular themes. Space Wolves are particularly egregious with this in 40k, saturated head-to-toe in wolves.
What? You don't like these?
Or these?
Imagine if we could have a werewolf Space Wolf dude with wolf claws riding a space wolf? Wouldn't that be awesome?
Is this a joke? They look ridiculous. The wolf looks like a giant chipmunk, riding with two lightning claws, the musculature, etc. The composition, the overdetailing on the wulfen, it's bad mini making I'd have expected in the early 90s.
Accolade wrote: I like that it keeps the marines look less like caricatures of their particular themes. Space Wolves are particularly egregious with this in 40k, saturated head-to-toe in wolves.
What? You don't like these?
Or these?
Imagine if we could have a werewolf Space Wolf dude with wolf claws riding a space wolf? Wouldn't that be awesome?
God, those minis are dire. Some of the worst offenders to GW's "there's a theme!!" concept.
Now, Custodes I'll give a pass on, as their whole shtick is that they're ornate as all get-out.
TommyBs wrote: I'm surprised they released Ahriman as part of this box set and not as part of the forgeworld Character Series - seems quite weird to me. Unless they thought this game needed an extra hook on top of the custodes and SoS.
The custodes leader also looks like he's been designed to look like Valdor who was obviously also there, though they haven't said he is. So maybe he will be character series (I hope!)
I think we can expect at least one more version of Ahriman in the HH character series. I know there are plans for multiple versions of a number of the key players, and I'd rate Ahriman as up there.
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casvalremdeikun wrote: For lack of a better word, deciding what I want to get. I reallyrics want BaC for the better model count(and the HQs), but if I get BoP, I get the iconic Imperial Fists Mk III armor as well as the Custodes. I could sell off the Sisters of Silence and make a decent amount of my money back. I could then just get parted out HQs from BaC and several sets of Mk IV.
Decisions decisions.
Buy one of each (better get onto Calth doublequick if you want one!) and then sell/swap out what you don't want for additional models that you will want. Win.
Yeah, there are certain SW miniatures that are NOT welcome in my 40k Space Wolves army.
That said, I'm still tempted to get the stupid Wulfen box, because there are some very nifty bits in there. Same for Grimnarclaus, there are some nice bits for conversions on that idiotic sled, but Logan in my army is on foot and bashing heads in, face to face.
Geigor, without the head and with a sensible helmet to keep his head from being turned into a canoe by any given shot that comes his way, will be a go for my 40k Wolves.
Forgeworld's Leman Russ model and Black Library's 2nd book in the Primarch series will accompany BoP's release in addition to the GW products. And some FW upgrade kits+BoP bundles are very likely.
Not sure if they moved the preorder date forward but the Primarch book's LE is already available to order
You know, the GW creative staff are just Fing with us. There has got to be a running bet for the most ridiculous thing that they can get into production and on the shelves, and the winner gets to eat and drink for free or something like that.
Warhams-77 wrote: Forgeworld's Leman Russ model and Black Library's 2nd book in the Primarch series will accompany BoP's release in addition to the GW products. And some FW upgrade kits+BoP bundles are very likely.
Not sure if they moved the preorder date forward but the Primarch book's LE is already available to order
Is it wrong that seeing Russ with Blonde hair and that eye makeup made me picture some weird He-man / Jem and the Holograms fusion? Way to much eye makeup...makes him look cheap... Now Fulgrim that guy could wear guy-liner.
A Thousand Sons also goes with it, which IMHO is a million times better than Prospero Burns.
Calth has the Unburdened, the Honoured (both deal with the main characters of the boardgame) and the Mark of Calth, an anthology novel detailing the underground war.
Thanks guys. It turns out I already have ATS and PB. Bought them from Amazon at the end of 2011 but never got around to reading them. I definitely don't have the Calth ones, though - any good?
Ehhhh, of the two tie-in novels I've only read one of them and it didn't leave a lasting impression on me.
I do recommend the Mark of Calth though, it's an anthology novel, so a load of different authors almost always means that there's bound to be something good in there.
The mk 3 thousand sons look pretty generic though, compared to the art which gives them more intricate helmets and armor. I always thought they looked better in mk II armor as well...they never struck me as being the legion to wade around in exclusively mk 3 armor.
All the better to sell FW upgrade kits, I can see why they let GW make these generic Mk IIIs.
Indeed, bless the generic armors! I sure wouldn't be considering doing Iron Warriors / Hands with this box if I had to remove TS / SW insignia from every single armour. I'll gladly pay for some good looking HH shoulderpads to make some of them look special and I'm guessing I'm not alone in this.
Azazelx wrote: Thanks guys. It turns out I already have ATS and PB. Bought them from Amazon at the end of 2011 but never got around to reading them. I definitely don't have the Calth ones, though - any good?
BrookM wrote: Ehhhh, of the two tie-in novels I've only read one of them and it didn't leave a lasting impression on me.
I do recommend the Mark of Calth though, it's an anthology novel, so a load of different authors almost always means that there's bound to be something good in there.
The two tie-in "novels" to BaC, The Honoured and The Unburdened should be relatively cheap now as they're in paperback, they're both above decent reads - if you read one it's worth reading the other as they do compliment each other nicely but you're not really missing a huge amount if they're skipped.
Agree with Brook though, for an anthology Mark of Calth is very good. I usually find the anthologies to be hit and miss but Calth was consistently decent.
Accolade wrote: I like that it keeps the marines look less like caricatures of their particular themes. Space Wolves are particularly egregious with this in 40k, saturated head-to-toe in wolves.
What? You don't like these?
Or these?
Imagine if we could have a werewolf Space Wolf dude with wolf claws riding a space wolf? Wouldn't that be awesome?
Personally Canis Wolfborn is the Miniature that got me into Space Wolves. I never understood the bashing people do of what other people like. For me I like my Space wolves on thunderwolves or turned into werewolves, for others not so much. I personally have no interest in Blood angels or Dark angels, but I can see why people like them, and I don't go shame them for too many robes or winged blood drops on their models.This hobby is about getting together with friends or meeting new people. Not slamming things other people like just because you don't. Everybody has a opinion, and that is what message boards are for. But you can say you do not like something without insulting the people who do.
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bolt pistols. 
