chaos0xomega wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Must admit, I don't like the Mars pattern look for the Imperator. I'm much fonder of the classic look

Spoiler:

I'm very much the opposite. I find it looks goofy and proportionally awkward. I also find it disconcerting that the design language of the classic Imperator is so dramatically different from any of the others.

Imho the classic Imperator is improved by about 1000% once you break up that straight horizontal line at the base of the 'castle' - that line is there for miniature-casting and modelling reasons, and kills all sense of scale and suspension of disbelief instantly. Even slight alterations to it are very effective, and most not-Imperators done by scratchbuilders or alternative producers arrive at changing it by accident.

Posted in the Epic thread, but all Mechanicum Knights, Armigers and Dire Wolves have disappeared from the Forgeworld site as has the Warhound Volkite, Ursus Claw and Shock Lance weapons.

Incoming plastic Mechanicum Knights?

 zedmeister wrote:
Posted in the Epic thread, but all Mechanicum Knights, Armigers and Dire Wolves have disappeared from the Forgeworld site as has the Warhound Volkite, Ursus Claw and Shock Lance weapons.

Incoming plastic Mechanicum Knights?

You're probably right (it makes sense) but also bear in mind GW are relocating to their new warehouse and distribution hub this weekend so I expect a lot of stuff will simply disappear from their web pages until the move is complete.

StraightSilver wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Posted in the Epic thread, but all Mechanicum Knights, Armigers and Dire Wolves have disappeared from the Forgeworld site as has the Warhound Volkite, Ursus Claw and Shock Lance weapons.

Incoming plastic Mechanicum Knights?

You're probably right (it makes sense) but also bear in mind GW are relocating to their new warehouse and distribution hub this weekend so I expect a lot of stuff will simply disappear from their web pages until the move is complete.

Also, FW is kind of an unknowable entity and does random and weird stuff with their online store all the time - if there's no Last Chance to Buy announcement, don't interpret too much into random fluctuations.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I mean, its not like it has official rules anyway, if its "game breaking" its because the house rules are OP.

Nah. There's only so big units each ruleset can make work balanced. Go too big and they are either criminally undercosted or automatically lose generally to the scenario.

Like titans in 40k which either lose by scenario without opponent needing to roll dice or are so criminally undercosted that while they can work vs infantry army just invalidates vehicle heavy armies, knights etc.

In same way the imperator would break AT. Needing 3 warlord titans to face one up either it's going to lose to scenario and be 1 activation or it's criminally underpointed compared to firepower/durability.

You can't make balanced warhound to kill team. Neither can you not break game by too big titans in AT.

StraightSilver wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Posted in the Epic thread, but all Mechanicum Knights, Armigers and Dire Wolves have disappeared from the Forgeworld site as has the Warhound Volkite, Ursus Claw and Shock Lance weapons.

Incoming plastic Mechanicum Knights?

You're probably right (it makes sense) but also bear in mind GW are relocating to their new warehouse and distribution hub this weekend so I expect a lot of stuff will simply disappear from their web pages until the move is complete.

Items vanishing from the website like this means reboxing / re-issuing under a new SKU.

There's a lot of potential for change in the AT product range. It could just mean we get updated packaging and the new style bases. It might mean the models are boxed with command terminals now, like the Warmaster.

Given the release model we saw for LI kits yesterday on top of last year's HH releases, a reboxing might even result in significant changes to how AT models are distributed. For example, rather than a ~£30 box with 2-3 knights it's entirely possible those become ~£50 boxes with 4-6 knights.

 zedmeister wrote:
Posted in the Epic thread, but all Mechanicum Knights, Armigers and Dire Wolves have disappeared from the Forgeworld site as has the Warhound Volkite, Ursus Claw and Shock Lance weapons.

Incoming plastic Mechanicum Knights?

That would be bloody awesome.

All AT is gone from the main sight too.
Probably getting rebranding and Imperialis

The Acastus Knight terminal pack is now sold out and no longer available...

SamusDrake wrote:
The Acastus Knight terminal pack is now sold out and no longer available...

Did they ever update them with the FAQ?

They did, but they still need a complete overhaul.

beast_gts wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
The Acastus Knight terminal pack is now sold out and no longer available...

Did they ever update them with the FAQ?

They were the wrong point cost and missing aux rules, faq added those, oddly that didn't stop gw from selling them in sets of 5 for a knight banner you can run 1 of per maniple, i mean who doesn't play 5 maniple games lol

Its also one of the three core knights and banned from lances, unless taken as the Senechal. In titan terms it was like banning Warlords from maniples.

Unleash the latest Warhound weaponry in your games of Adeptus Titanicus with handy weapons cards, available to download now for free: https://bit.ly/4am2MZ0

PDF Link

Nice, all of those look like valid alternatives to existing Warhound guns.

They look very cool. The Swarmer missiles are a nice alternative to Vulcans and pair nicely with some of the longer range weapons like Grav and Beamer weapons.

I'm not sure on the Melta Weapons. Six inch Fusion and a 10" Maximum range is pretty damn close and -1 to hit over 6" isn't great. They're OK, just not as mean as Plasma or even Beamer weapons.

 Lord Borak wrote:
They look very cool. The Swarmer missiles are a nice alternative to Vulcans and pair nicely with some of the longer range weapons like Grav and Beamer weapons.

I'm not sure on the Melta Weapons. Six inch Fusion and a 10" Maximum range is pretty damn close and -1 to hit over 6" isn't great. They're OK, just not as mean as Plasma or even Beamer weapons.

Actually, I think the melta is potentially very spicy. Two dice S9 fusion with no reactor push?

Context matters...I can see the range being an issue in a maniple that wants to sit back more. My Audax though tend to play close to the enemy, so there will definitely be opportunities.

Warhounds are really becoming a Swiss army knife now due to all these weapon options.

Shame they went with plasticizing the volkite rather than grav or c-beam, but apart from tht I have no complaints about this release, the new options are all good and interesting, I'd go as far as to say they're better designed and differentiated than some OG weapons, especially the Reaver arm class guns.

Is it fair to assume this means that they won't be including the physical cards when the warhound box comes out on its own? We know the re-branding will have them with legions imperialis artwork and the new bases. Has anyone been able to confirm the re-boxing of the other titans still had cards and terminals?

 Crablezworth wrote:
Is it fair to assume this means that they won't be including the physical cards when the warhound box comes out on its own? We know the re-branding will have them with legions imperialis artwork and the new bases. Has anyone been able to confirm the re-boxing of the other titans still had cards and terminals?

This download is for the people who buy the LI starter set that comes without any AT rules. Most likely these cards are exactly what we'll get in the box when warhounds are released separately

It is my understanding they will release with cards and with both styles of bases included. What we don't know is whether it will have both weapon sprues with a chunky price hike (like 40k Questoris, Baneblades etc) or will there be two boxes like the Reaver and Warlord.

The new Swarmer and Melta options are nice.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It is my understanding they will release with cards and with both styles of bases included. What we don't know is whether it will have both weapon sprues with a chunky price hike (like 40k Questoris, Baneblades etc) or will there be two boxes like the Reaver and Warlord.

Yeah its just has anyone seen if the re-packaged titans still come with both bases/terminals/cards?

Reaver and Warlord only came with Imperialis bases but did have their Terminals and weapon cards.

 gorgon wrote:


Actually, I think the melta is potentially very spicy. Two dice S9 fusion with no reactor push?

Context matters...I can see the range being an issue in a maniple that wants to sit back more. My Audax though tend to play close to the enemy, so there will definitely be opportunities.

Warhounds are really becoming a Swiss army knife now due to all these weapon options.

That's true. I like the Beamer for the same reason. The fact that you could also target an area with them as well is quite horrific. I'll certainly give them a go, I think I just prefer the style of Plasma and Beamer. Maybe when I finally get around to doing my Ignatum I'll give them a go. If only Warhounds had a combat weapon.

They really are. There's loads of options to chose from. I like the idea of have 1 with 2 missiles to shred shields from a distance.

What are people thinking of Shudder missiles? Are they worth the hefty price tag?

Shudders seem like something you take when you want to troll people with melee Warlords or Warmasters.

Especially if you run Legio Krytos and take the stratagem that allows quake to affect shielded targets

Return of the dice and titan transfer sheets! A truly momumental release for Adeptus Titanicus...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/14/sunday-preview-deathwing-assault/

I'm gonna assume the decals are Direct Only for certain and dice are a coin toss.

Both dice and transfers are welcome restocks.

Dice are a little surprising as they're AT only and not dual use with LI.

 schoon wrote:
Both dice and transfers are welcome restocks.

Dice are a little surprising as they're AT only and not dual use with LI.

I've found that the order dice are surprisingly useful for solo games of Legions.

Don't really care about the transfers as I think they were frequently going in and out of stock anyway.

Dice is nice, I was hoping to pick up another set (beyond what comes in the starter) for the sake of getting order dice to use in Epic 40k.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Don't really care about the transfers as I think they were frequently going in and out of stock anyway.

Dice is nice, I was hoping to pick up another set (beyond what comes in the starter) for the sake of getting order dice to use in Epic 40k.

The fact they frequently go out of stock is why it’s always nice to see them come back. The transfer sheets are lovely and I think they really make a difference for finished titans, they can just be a pain to get hold of (apart from Gryphonicus and Mortis which are permanent items).

 ImAGeek wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Don't really care about the transfers as I think they were frequently going in and out of stock anyway.

Dice is nice, I was hoping to pick up another set (beyond what comes in the starter) for the sake of getting order dice to use in Epic 40k.

The fact they frequently go out of stock is why it’s always nice to see them come back. The transfer sheets are lovely and I think they really make a difference for finished titans, they can just be a pain to get hold of (apart from Gryphonicus and Mortis which are permanent items).

I might be mistaken, but if you had "notify me when restocked" on for a particular decal sheet, there would have been an opportunity to buy them.

But yeah, I do wish GW would just keep them in stock, surely they don't take up much space relative to their price. Same is true of Horus Heresy, just a roll of the dice when you start a HH force (or LI force) whether you'll actually be able to get decals for it.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Don't really care about the transfers as I think they were frequently going in and out of stock anyway.

Dice is nice, I was hoping to pick up another set (beyond what comes in the starter) for the sake of getting order dice to use in Epic 40k.

The fact they frequently go out of stock is why it’s always nice to see them come back. The transfer sheets are lovely and I think they really make a difference for finished titans, they can just be a pain to get hold of (apart from Gryphonicus and Mortis which are permanent items).

I might be mistaken, but if you had "notify me when restocked" on for a particular decal sheet, there would have been an opportunity to buy them.

But yeah, I do wish GW would just keep them in stock, surely they don't take up much space relative to their price. Same is true of Horus Heresy, just a roll of the dice when you start a HH force (or LI force) whether you'll actually be able to get decals for it.

I mean the only ones on the site at the moment are Gryphonicus and Mortis. I seem to remember them essentially being limited edition that they happened to do the odd extra run of, rather than sticking around on the site when they run out, but I could be wrong.

Starter's back in stock UK/EU

It took me way to long to connect the Direwolf with AT and not BT.

So, with the reveal of Knight equivalent models as part of the Dark Mechanicum release...

Do we think they'll possibly still come with AT command terminals?

Maybe as a digital download. My hope for Dark Mech is that it will lead to models for the Slaaneshi Hell Knights and Quaestor scout titan. Mechanicum and Dark Mechanicum in LI would be a good excuse for those, as well as chaos titan sprues and possibly some more weapon sprues for the battle titans.

The article about the next LI book says it also has rules for Knights/Titan only armies which does increase my hope for the Mechanicum Knights to go plastic too with that release.

 Matrindur wrote:
The article about the next LI book says it also has rules for Knights/Titan only armies which does increase my hope for the Mechanicum Knights to go plastic too with that release.

Or at least plastic armigers.

I'm really liking the new Mechanicum stuff for LI. I'm really hoping they get rules for AT!!

It's been very quiet on the AT front. Almost like they've forgotten about us and all those cool Titan classes they kept hinting at....

Against overwhelmingly better judgement( its looking very bleak ), I shall put it aside for a moment and indulge...

Dark Mechanicum would introduce a new loyalty to the game and would warrant lore content. Along with Renegade banners( Page 91, Defence of Ryza ) and maybe the addition of models like the seige-automata, a new maniple or two...there's a good book's worth to be had here.

The chances of getting an Epic scale Brass Scorpion are pretty slim, but I think the 28mm model is now classified as a Horus Heresy one, so I won't abandon hope.

One *would think* that some kind of corrupted Knight kit that other Traitor factions could access would make more business sense than these apparently dedicated Mechanicum walkers.

Then again, one would think that GW would have created a simple corruptions sprue for the AT/LI Titans by now, and that hasn't happened and maybe never will.

Yeah its a really odd gap; then again I think its because its HH and its tied to the 32mm scale. There's this strange marketing/management thing going on in the background and I think its why we haven't had any chaos corrupted titans and such - because they aren't on the roster for the 32mm for ages.

Or heck it might even be some crazy "Chaos titans are a 40K thing you can't do them..."


I won't complain one bit about them doing Dark Mechanicum, but I can find it odd that Chaos is the other-side of this game and hasn't really had a model release yet.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xd9mklal/heresy-thursday-raise-your-oily-manipulators-to-the-sky-in-praise-of-the-dark-mechanicum/

LI just revealed some more Dark Mech units and also confirmed this:

And what's more both boxes contain the relevant terminals for using the Errax, Tenebrax, Scintillax, and Serperos in games of Adeptus Titanicus!

Both boxes here referring to the Serperos box which has 4 of the big one revealed at Warhammer Day with the other box having 2 each of the other three types and 8 more of a smaller swarm type that doesn't have AT rules.
The three medium bots are a shooty, a melee and a controller variant of the same base.

This also makes me very hopeful for some the big Mechanicum bots to get AT rules as it would be a bit strange to only get rules for Dark Mech bots. And I'm not counting Mechanicum Knights for that since they can also be used by Dark Mech as the article confirms

Been a pretty decent week for all things Epic Scale.

Fourth faction for LI, and now confirmation Adeptus Titanicus hasn’t been entirely forgotten about.

Good news indeed. I'd be impressed if GW announces a new Dark-Mech campaign book for AT, accompanied by the Titan and Knight bundles.

There was a long rumoured corrupted Titan frame wasn't there?

It was a very logical rumour since they made the frame to have optional armour parts specifically so they could do a corrupted titan. It was what everyone was thinking would happen once they did a majority of the Imperial Titans to keep AT going. Instead they went sideways into AI.

I suspect there ARE designs for it - perhaps even parted and ready for mouldmaking. When (and I really hope its a when not an if) we see them is very very hard to tell.


It's at least more hopeful than seeing Xenos which I suspect will either never come or are over a decade away

A new edition set in the 40K era would make a lot of sense, if GW wants to keep AT around. It would provide far greater contrast with Legions Imperialis, and they could begin with Lucius and Chaos patterns of the three main titans - Lord, Reaver and Hound. They only need to swap the armour sprues from the existing LI kits into "40K: Titans" kits.

Keep it to just Titans, and they can cater to all the relevent factions, while also addressing the main criticism of the game. And it would be a 40K game, where players can finally afford that Titan of their dreams...it would be a best seller for GW.

Also, AT-18 players will be getting new books that aren't just updates of those they already own.

SamusDrake wrote:
Good news indeed. I'd be impressed if GW announces a new Dark-Mech campaign book for AT, accompanied by the Titan and Knight bundles.

Add a few more legios to get fluff and rules and that could be an amazing book.

If/when GW gets around to doing the ordinatus minoris in plastic for LI, that could justify another AT book as well.

While I would really love a new book, I think we will continue to see a dribble of materials in the form of LI releases that contain AT terminals or cards.

As long as we're getting new toys for our giant stompy robots...

 Overread wrote:
It was a very logical rumour since they made the frame to have optional armour parts specifically so they could do a corrupted titan. It was what everyone was thinking would happen once they did a majority of the Imperial Titans to keep AT going. Instead they went sideways into AI.

I suspect there ARE designs for it - perhaps even parted and ready for mouldmaking. When (and I really hope its a when not an if) we see them is very very hard to tell.


It's at least more hopeful than seeing Xenos which I suspect will either never come or are over a decade away

I think it was more than a rumour, as I swear we had it from the horse’s mouth that was their original intention, and indeed why the plating was separate pieces.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

I think it was more than a rumour, as I swear we had it from the horse’s mouth that was their original intention, and indeed why the plating was separate pieces.

Well their original intent in choosing the current AT scale (which is a bit bigger than previous Epic) was also at which scale a normal space marine would still have enough details if I remember correctly.
And look how long it took for that to happen.

So even if they make a decision with something else in mind it can take a long time for that something else to happen

Oh yes and GW were VERY clear that they weren't going to do epic, they left all the tools on the table to do it, but were very clear that they were not going to do it.

Until they did of course.

I think the mystery is more at just how long a clearly financially viable product has sold without advancing its product line in a direction that everyone can see is viable.


It might just be that Gw feels that the models like Warlords sell well enough when both sides have them, but halving the market for them by releasing unique Chaos ones might halve the buying power whilst doubling the input from GW.
Even though we know that providing different foes DOES help sell core Imperial stuff

I guess it all depends.

The formula can’t be “will all kits sell equally”, because the answer to that is a big fat No, Of Course Not.

Instead, I’m guessing it’s “are we making enough money from the existing range to justify the expense of adding new kits, and do we think that new kit will increase income overall”. Because nothing sells in a vacuum.

Consider Epic. If it’s selling strongly enough as it is? It’s a sign there’s significant demand for this scale of gaming. Enough that, in due course, Xenos armies and a 40K setting would be self supporting in terms of investment and income and so on. Especially as there’s some risk a 40K scale could cannibalise sales for Heresy.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think it was more than a rumour, as I swear we had it from the horse’s mouth that was their original intention, and indeed why the plating was separate pieces.

 Matrindur wrote:
Well their original intent in choosing the current AT scale (which is a bit bigger than previous Epic) was also at which scale a normal space marine would still have enough details if I remember correctly.

Until they did of course.

Yeah these things influenced early design choices for AT kits and were confirmed by the studio. In both cases it's just a case of future-proofing the range for things that they didn't have immediate plans to create a product for, but might at some point in the 10-20 year lifespan of the kits.

Starting the development of LI was no doubt a response to the over-performing sales figures in the first couple years of AT. If Epic scale continues to grow and perform then GW may decide it'll be profitable to do alternate titan armour designs in however many years.

Thing is we never really know how well any game or kits actually sells numerically or such.


I do think that at one time the Kirby management was trying to go for "all kits sell equally" or at least "lets use marines as the baseline/target". Which resulted in policies that weren't the best for the customer.

GW today seems much more aware that not everything in their roster has to perform at the same level and that there's value in lesser performance titles because they help keep people within the GW ecosystem rather than letting 3rd parties rise up. Plus even lesser sales are still healthy and profitable.



I think the big thing for both AT and AI is how much its paired with HH. We know that designs are shared between them for a uniform appearance (even if the smaller scale ones are likely fully reworked not just hitting resize and done). However it depends if there's any strange policies in the background. Like each game must have the same roster of models or such. Not necessarily at the same time, but over the course of X amount of time.

Or its a resource battle where the team has enough product slots to support one game well but now its spread over technically 3 games

I'm of the opinion that the team working on AT/HH/LI doesn't have access to 40K IP. That it's been walled off because it's the main studio's playground, and they don't want anything designed or written that might affect their plans.

That potentially provides answers to why we have 'Corrupted' Titans but no 'Chaos' Titans, including no mention of the Ruinous Powers and no upgrade sprue. I know this was presented as a design choice, but the fact is by their own novels there were Banelord Titans and more strolling around before the end of the Heresy.

Also explains no Xenos, obviously. And while those new walkers are reminiscent of certain 40K chaos kits, they're part of a new 30K faction and therefore get around the restriction.

So I don't think the 40K elements will be seen in AT unless the main studio were to take over development of the game.

Yeah it depends where that line is drawn too - are "chaos corrupted titans" fully a 40K only thing according to internal mandates - if so then yeah the HH and Specialist game team might just not be allowed to corrupt their own titans.

That's certainly why its all bound to the HH. That said they have done demons for HH in the past.


There could be multiple reasons and some might be logical, some might be interdepartmental and some might even just be "no one on the team wants to bother sculpting them so we've not done them"

 Overread wrote:
Yeah it depends where that line is drawn too - are "chaos corrupted titans" fully a 40K only thing according to internal mandates - if so then yeah the HH and Specialist game team might just not be allowed to corrupt their own titans.

That's certainly why its all bound to the HH. That said they have done demons for HH in the past.

There could be multiple reasons and some might be logical, some might be interdepartmental and some might even just be "no one on the team wants to bother sculpting them so we've not done them"

Note that 30K Daemons similarly stayed away from stepping on 40K Daemon IP. Again, this was presented as a design choice. But I don't think it was. We see Bloodletters and Bloodthirsters and many more very identifiable 40K Daemons in the novels, but the HH game avoids those names and presentations at every step even if those are the models that people are using. I just peeked at the entry for Ka'Bandha, and I don't see the word "Bloodthirster" anywhere on the page. That's literally what he is, and they would have used that term if there hadn't been a reason for avoiding it.

Just seems very clear to me they've been told 'hands off' except for certain SM items that can't really be avoided. And then when Primaris eventually become "the only", the wall will be complete and Rhinos, Predators, etc. will exist as HH properties.

 gorgon wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Yeah it depends where that line is drawn too - are "chaos corrupted titans" fully a 40K only thing according to internal mandates - if so then yeah the HH and Specialist game team might just not be allowed to corrupt their own titans.

That's certainly why its all bound to the HH. That said they have done demons for HH in the past.

There could be multiple reasons and some might be logical, some might be interdepartmental and some might even just be "no one on the team wants to bother sculpting them so we've not done them"

Note that 30K Daemons similarly stayed away from stepping on 40K Daemon IP. Again, this was presented as a design choice. But I don't think it was. We see Bloodletters and Bloodthirsters and many more very identifiable 40K Daemons in the novels, but the HH game avoids those names and presentations at every step even if those are the models that people are using. I just peeked at the entry for Ka'Bandha, and I don't see the word "Bloodthirster" anywhere on the page. That's literally what he is, and they would have used that term if there hadn't been a reason for avoiding it.

Just seems very clear to me they've been told 'hands off' except for certain SM items that can't really be avoided. And then when Primaris eventually become "the only", the wall will be complete and Rhinos, Predators, etc. will exist as HH properties.

In fairness this was the case before the whole hard-separation thing started. FW have always written Heresy Daemons with the idea of the Imperium having absolutely no clue what it's dealing with during the Heresy, which is why they've always referred to things with vague, non-specific names and terminology, unlike 40k where the Imperium has had millennia to grapple with these things and those in the know can assign designations and have a rough idea what's going on.

 Arbitrator wrote:
In fairness this was the case before the whole hard-separation thing started. FW have always written Heresy Daemons with the idea of the Imperium having absolutely no clue what it's dealing with during the Heresy, which is why they've always referred to things with vague, non-specific names and terminology, unlike 40k where the Imperium has had millennia to grapple with these things and those in the know can assign designations and have a rough idea what's going on.

Again, I suspect that's the studio's justification & workaround for a wall that's been there for a while now. I can't think of any good marketing reasons why you'd want to use generic unit entries rather than the names of the kits that the company wants to sell. Unless they planned to create their line of 30K daemons. But there are only a couple examples of them doing that, IIRC.

Back on topic, I just think xenos or proper Chaos Titans will basically never happen for AT until these games are under the main studio. Could be wrong...we'll see. There's still plenty of untapped kit possibilities for the game that don't step on IP though, including the missing 'tweener chassis and other Psi-Titan types. And hell, I'll take some more Dark Mech in the event that happens.

 Tastyfish wrote:
There was a long rumoured corrupted Titan frame wasn't there?

There were pictures of a third party kit composed of corrupted outer armor. You could attach it to the base frame of the titan.

Lifted from a Facebook Group with absolutely no attempt by me to verify.

We will still blame you if it's wrong though.

Its from the Australia preorder page so official.
No sheet for the other constructs yet though and also no info in the descriptions if there is any other pdf or book coming for AT

That's great news, something new for AT.

I was honestly hedging my bets on whether it was real or not.

Very cool. I find the Networked Anima special role very interesting.

A mob of units with the rule...

So they have Ork power fields lol. Good job innovating, you wild rebel Mechanicum!

From what I can make out here the Tenebrax (Which is the shooty version) has the same Networked Anima and Agile rules as the big Serperos but doesn't get shields.
The Scintillax and Errax both have all three rules but might be slightly different to the Serperos version. But could also be the formatting



https://www.chaosbunker.de/en/2024/12/07/review-legions-imperialis-dark-mechanicum-stalker-constructs/

Interesting they come as separate banners in AT, they just share a Command bubble

Chaos Bunker also has a review of the Serperos up too: https://www.chaosbunker.de/en/2024/12/07/review-legions-imperialis-dark-mechanicum-serperos-overlord-heavy-stalkers/

Shame they're not a bit bigger, but nice that the Serperos have a new Dark Mechanicum transfer sheet.

Glad they come with AT rules, but slightly underwhelmed by them. Not sure the construct shields will help overly much given how easily they can be damaged when you fail a shield save and with only 3 structure points each. I guess it's interesting that, unlike, the Knight chassis you'd happily just shoot these up with Vulcan MBs rather than wanting to use higher strength weaponry.

So do construct shields lose a point for each failed save die or 1 for each batch of saves that have any fails?


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Has to be said, the big spiders have the height and volume of Cerastus Knights for only 2/3 the financial cost.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So do construct shields lose a point for each failed save die or 1 for each batch of saves that have any fails?


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Has to be said, the big spiders have the height and volume of Cerastus Knights for only 2/3 the financial cost.

Good point. I'd read it for each failed die as written, but that might not be the case. If it's per attack rather than per shot that would be better.

Yeah they're a decent cost for the size/number of them, but I'd personally been happy if they'd been bigger even if it meant a bit more expensive. I guess it leaves room for a larger version in the future though...!

I just hope someone makes printable spider legs for the titans and we're good!

Decently priced kits, but a couple of beefs...

1) I had the impression that Dark Mechanicum are traitors? Nothing on the terminals seems to place that limitation on them.

2) The Heavy Stalkers bring into question the price of the Cerastus knights, given that these are the same amount of plastic and boast even larger bases.

3) The terminals seem to be missing a way to keep track of the construct shield levels. Easily fixed by recording it with a D6, but even still.

4) The Thanatars seem a bit odd, given that they don't have AT terminals and don't really do much for other Legions Imperialis forces where the support formations are concerned. Would it not have been better to have released the Mech infantry kit first, given that they would fill compulsory slots?

...but on the other hand, they're very nice kits at a decent price.

Will these be available as a pdf download, or wedged into a campaign book?

I was hoping there would be an AT campaign book to go with them, but the terminals are it for now.

Against all better judgement, maybe next year might see the announcement of new titans and they'll introduce a new boxed game for Adeptus Titanicus to accomplish that.

There's the Networked Anima rule on all those command terminals. That's going to make commands very interesting for this force...

SamusDrake wrote:
I was hoping there would be an AT campaign book to go with them, but the terminals are it for now.

Against all better judgement, maybe next year might see the announcement of new titans and they'll introduce a new boxed game for Adeptus Titanicus to accomplish that.

I’m hoping for that. 2025, the possible year for a reworked Titanicus. With resin to plastics and new Titan classes

The crystal ball is very murky at the moment, but If I had to make some guesses of major releases for 2025...

Warcry 3rd edition.
Adeptus Titanicus 2nd edition.
Something happening in the TOW universe( Blood Bowl or Classic Quest? Mordheim? )
40K Quest or Space Hulk.

SamusDrake wrote:
The crystal ball is very murky at the moment, but If I had to make some guesses of major releases for 2025...

Warcry 3rd edition.
Adeptus Titanicus 2nd edition.
Something happening in the TOW universe( Blood Bowl or Classic Quest? Mordheim? )
40K Quest or Space Hulk.

Does AT need a new version? I was under the impression that it was pretty complete.

At really only needs a new version if they go all out with a new range of Titans. If its just what they have now plus one or two potential Mechanicus ones then a new edition isn't really needed over another expansion book.

If they go all out with, say, actual proper Chaos Titans then yeah new edition time. However GW seems really scared to bring actual Chaos corrupted models into 30K. They seem very steadfast in sticking to the Marines and Imperials (even then the 32mm game is bonkers stuck on Marines(

 Overread wrote:
At really only needs a new version if they go all out with a new range of Titans. If its just what they have now plus one or two potential Mechanicus ones then a new edition isn't really needed over another expansion book.

If they go all out with, say, actual proper Chaos Titans then yeah new edition time. However GW seems really scared to bring actual Chaos corrupted models into 30K. They seem very steadfast in sticking to the Marines and Imperials (even then the 32mm game is bonkers stuck on Marines(

It seems to me like they want to keep the two model ranges separate... with as little bleedthrough as possible (ie. A few Custodes and some Knights)...

Even when it doesn't seem to make sense (No Dominus Kinights in HH?)

GW I think has some management toughlines on their model ranges being separate. It's probably for sales forecasting and such.

You see the same thing between Old World and AoS. Even to the point they are re-using the old marauders and pulled the whole of Beastmen out of AoS and threw them into Old World (with a very oddly timed long gap between the move too). It will likely feel better when Old World 2.0 starts (we hope) and starts to replace old armies with totally brand new models instead of a mix of old and new that we have now.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
The crystal ball is very murky at the moment, but If I had to make some guesses of major releases for 2025...

Warcry 3rd edition.
Adeptus Titanicus 2nd edition.
Something happening in the TOW universe( Blood Bowl or Classic Quest? Mordheim? )
40K Quest or Space Hulk.

Does AT need a new version? I was under the impression that it was pretty complete.

There's a few Titan chassis that are mentioned (Carnivore, Komodo, Rapier etc) and the old Slaaneshi Scout titans that had epic models but haven't been incorporated yet (Warhound weapon carapace perhaps with ccw arms).
The old names are generally from the real 1st ed where everything was Warlords but they go to show there is perhaps some scope for some things within the framework they have at the moment - like the Nemesis Warbringer.

A regular Warbringer (with 4x Reaver weapons) would be interesting as a budget Warlord as would something in the same area that ditched some of the levels of protection to have a Warlord sized reactor with Reaver movement.

Plus it would be nice to have some rules to add in some of the little stuff in the same way as Knight banners and all...

I wouldn't expect corrupted titans in 2025, those will likely take a bit longer until we also get corrupted stuff in LI so either legion specific stuff for the traitor legions or daemons as a faction.
And I don't expect either of those within the next 1-2 years.

A new AT edition could still happen but as other said I don't think AT needs one right now and realistically it would be worse than the current one if GW does it now just to do a new edition.

You could also probably drastically shrink the size of the terminals down.

Turn the top left stuff into a statline and have the damage control track handled by D8s or D10s (which they did use in Apocalyse).

You could probably also tighten up the design of the weapon cards so that the info took up half the space as well (so you rotated 180 for damage and then flipped for destroyed).

All in all halving the size of the off board requirements, given that so many of the narrative missions are still played on 6x4.

I think the main reason you arent seeing corrupted titans is because its not cost effective. The entirety of the AT/LI line has basically been allegiance agnostic until recently with the release of Dark Mech stalkers. I expect they are testing the waters with the stalkers before investing inti full scale titans

I don't see anything drastic on the horizon for AT, such as a new edition.

LI is occupying GW's slot for 6mm wargaming and I don't see them doing anything to jeopardize that.

I could see them doing a new book once there's enough material for the Dark Mechanicum, as a sop to AT players.

SamusDrake wrote:
The crystal ball is very murky at the moment, but If I had to make some guesses of major releases for 2025...

Warcry 3rd edition.
Adeptus Titanicus 2nd edition.
Something happening in the TOW universe( Blood Bowl or Classic Quest? Mordheim? )
40K Quest or Space Hulk.

Damn, you should have a youtube channel!
Also forgot the BFG reboot

SamusDrake wrote:
The crystal ball is very murky at the moment, but If I had to make some guesses of major releases for 2025...

Warcry 3rd edition.
Adeptus Titanicus 2nd edition.
Something happening in the TOW universe( Blood Bowl or Classic Quest? Mordheim? )
40K Quest or Space Hulk.

Space Hulk won't be coming out in 2025 because I haven't given in and paid £250 for a copy on Ebay yet.

 Londinium wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
The crystal ball is very murky at the moment, but If I had to make some guesses of major releases for 2025...

Warcry 3rd edition.
Adeptus Titanicus 2nd edition.
Something happening in the TOW universe( Blood Bowl or Classic Quest? Mordheim? )
40K Quest or Space Hulk.

Space Hulk won't be coming out in 2025 because I haven't given in and paid £250 for a copy on Ebay yet.

Now look here me and Mad Doc went out and bought 30K Mechanicum kits this year so that GW would release the AI Mechanicum kits!

So its your turn to tempt the laws of fate and all and get that £250 copy so that GW releases Space Hulk 2025!

"I see...but I cannot tell!"

"You must! I command you! Speak!"

"I see greeeeat disaster! I see DREAD FLEET! Dread fleet for 2025!"

"You lie!"

"And what of Battle Fleet Gothic?"

"There will be no BFG...only disappointment!"

...and thats it for this week's bullssss - I mean 'prediction'. Join me next week while I find something else to "forsee" for GW's schedule! TTFN!

Not mentioned on Warcom at the time, but Adeptus Titanicus did receive an updated F&Q and Errata back in May...

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/eng_12-wdtfrtdpv4-quh4e9sxvy.pdf

Dark-Mech stalkers have notes on the last page.

SamusDrake wrote:
Not mentioned on Warcom at the time, but Adeptus Titanicus did receive an updated F&Q and Errata back in May...

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/eng_12-wdtfrtdpv4-quh4e9sxvy.pdf

Dark-Mech stalkers have notes on the last page.

Thanks! My favorite GW game finally gets a little love.

I must say that I was suprised myself, but bloody annoyed they removed the Acastus Seneschal banner. That was the only good will they gave over the whole Acastus fiasco, and they've revoked it. I'm guessing it was only a temporary thing until they released Legions Imperialis.

So yes, the Dark-Mech can only be taken as support. Not sure if that's mentioned on their command terminals...