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Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/05 21:26:27


Post by: zedmeister


With the game getting closer and more information available, I've started a new thread (with permission - thanks RiTides) to corral all info into one place. I'll update the OP with new bits as they come. So far, here's what we know with the most recent first:

What we know:
PLASTICS!
Reworked into plastics after success of Blood Bowl and a large amount of positive feedback from fans
Scale is 8mm
Models most likely to be in Resin - plastic has been hinted, but not confirmed
Will be a black book for Titan combat
Most likely be a starter box containing rules, dice and plastic terrain only
No release date as yet - will be 2018
No plans to do vehicles or infantry during the initial run - possibility in future depending on the game's success
Legio Krytos (Godbreakers) - Traitor Legion - allied to Iron Warriors!


2017 Snippets

Extracts from James Hewitt AMA

Question... “For Adeptus Titanicus - I heard that you really managed to capture that feel of a titan machine spirit railing against it's Princeps? So if the Princeps is playing it safe and staying back shooting from afar there's a chance the Titan will require some sort of self control check to stop it charging in with it's power fist and going against the player's wishes? If so, you're my favourite person. If not, well you might still place in the top 100 I suppose.”

James’ Answer “Do I get a special prize or something for being your favourite person? Because yeah, that's pretty much what happens. Basically, when you push your titan's reactors to do something cool and unusual (it involves rolling a number of special Reactor Dice, which can lead to your engines overheating, but lets you supercharge weapons, turn on the spot more easily, go faster, etc.) there's a chance that the Machine Spirit will rebel against this mistreatment. You get a Command check, representing your Princeps' Willpower trying to keep the machine in check, but if you fail there's a table you roll on. The plan (which is hopefully still the case) was that in campaign play, titans would each have their own personalities and preferred methods, a bit like Tyranid instinctive behaviour. In short, though, yeah, that can totally happen. I'll accept a certificate in the post.”


Question: why is it taking so long to see an updated version of "full" Epic (rather than titans only heresy era AT) hit the shelves? Was fear of competition for 40k sales really a blocker?

James's Answer: 1.I think the biggest barrier is how extensive the range would have to be. Even though most 40k / 30k models are sculpted digitally now, shrinking them down to 'new epic' scale is much more than just hitting a de-biggify button. Chris, our wonderfully talented sculptor, spent about four months converting the Warlord Titan from 40k scale to AT scale. Now, let's say you wanted to release a full mass-battle Epic game. Let's set it in the Horus Heresy, because then you only really need to do one faction's worth of models. Think of how many different units there are in 30k - each one of them would need to be scaled down. It would take years to get to the point where you've got armies worthy of playing games with. And that's just with one faction - people would be crying out for all the other races, too. Titanicus is great because you can sculpt three classes of titan, a few different weapon bits, and the game plays perfectly well. The Specialist Brands team is small, and is also working on Necromunda and Blood Bowl... but hey, as long as people keep buying their stuff the teams will keep getting bigger, so, like, maybe one day?




One definite new piece of information that is exciting though

We all want our Orks! I did some early planning on Gargant rules...

Interestingly, it's set during the Heresy for the same reason the original Adeptus Titanicus was set during the Heresy - because it means you only have to sculpt one set of models, and paint them different colours!

If the game's successful, which I'm hoping it will be, I'm sure there could be expansions that introduce the alien races



Warhammer Fest 2017

Little Plastic Soldiers wrote:ADEPTUS TITANICUS UPDATE
27th May 2017

Direct from the Specialist Game Seminar at Warhammer Fest 2017

– Detailed tabletop war game akin to a naval warfare game

– Smaller scale than 40k

– Set during the Horus Heresy

– Wide range of Titans, Knights, Terrain and Modular buildings

– New rules, inspired by the classic 1988 game

– coming soon(ish), no set date.




Titan Owners Club previewed artwork


Warhammer Fest 2017- Adeptus Titanicus Concept Images

Some concept images for Adeptus Titanicus rolls on at Warhammer Fest today with Drake snapping some quick pictures for us.

One thing reported is that:

"Imperial Knights are Cataphractii sized.Marine is about 8mm."







A lot of work has gone into banner looks and shapes.



Posing of legs has also been heavily thought out.







Warhounds will definitely not be a forgotten aspect of the game.











New Legio schemes also seem to be on the way soon.



Imperial Hunters (white, red and green scales)
Legio Krytos (green and white)
Suspected Legio Osedax (Cockatrices) for the red Titans with skeletal banners








Horus Heresy Weekender 2017

Warhammer Community images









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nevaks80 wrote:

Andy is the specialist games manager, but he didn't design the game, that was James Hewitt (who did Betrayal at Calth, Silver Tower, Gorechosen, new Blood Bowl, and had something to do with Dreadball when he was at Mantic). From talking to James, it seems like Andy ran the project, helped with the design and made sure things ran on time, but James did the actual game design. I got the impression they're a close team, there are only three of them and it sounds like they're all really working together.

He also said they'd worked on AT for most of last year, and had tested it for six to eight months (which he said was above average for GW games). He said it drew inspiration from previous editions of AT / epic etc but was most similar to first edition AT, but with much more modern design.

Turn sequence based on the original AT scheme of 'I go you go, next phase':


I think Andy worded it badly in the seminar, because what he said didn't reflect the games I'd seen. It's not really like the original AT (where the turn sequence is based on the orders that have been issued), and it's definitely not what I'd think of as "I go you go" - but I can see what he was getting at. Instead it's more like: in the movement phase, I move a titan, then you move a titan, then I move a titan, and so on. I'd call that 'alternate activation' rather than 'I go you go'.

Models are much bigger than the old scale AT - no specifics shared but a Warlord will be noticeably bigger than a Space Marine Dreadnaught.


Chris (sculptor, has been working on the AT titans, and was helping run the game on Friday) and James both mentioned that the 40k scale game had been scaled up to four times the size of AT. Google says the 40k Warlord is 22.5" tall, so that would make the AT Warlord about 5.6" tall - smaller than a knight, bigger than a dreadnought. Maybe dreadknight size?

Knights are basically disposable pawns but can cause a fair bit of damage in groups


'Disposable pawns' wasn't said in the seminar far as I recall, and really wasn't the impression I got. James said they were like pack hunters taking down a big predator - they're not pawns, they're not disposable, but if you leave them in the open in front of a warlord they're dead.

Couple of other things I found online that aren't up here yet:

People from Titan Owners Club were playing on both nights, and one of them was watching on Friday and did this write-up:

Hi all.

I am here watching the new Adeptus Titanicus game carried out with 28mm scale Titans.

The game seems fast and pacey.

There are modifiers to to hit rolls (such as -1 if partially obstructed by a building.

Reactors are powered up and down to boost shields/strength of certain weapons and move faster. For instance a Reaver can move 6" as standard or 9" if he pushes his reactors.

Reactor overload actions are worked out at the end of the game turn. They can result in several different results like loosing shields, or prevent yourself from firing further Plasma weaponary or even reactor meltdown.

The game acts akin to chess where each unit takes it in turn to do an action. Turning the Titans have limits in 45 degree angles and cost movement or action points.

Each Titan runs a command panel as below where all information such as the one below.

They list the weapons that the Engine is equipped with, arcs of fire,range etc. It also enables you to keep track or apply special actions and keep track of that Titans activities.

When a Titan is hit without shields, the location of the hit (effected by arc of the strike) is rolled and damage is calculated against that part. Damage points are applied and damage strength is rolled to see how bad the damage is. It can result in reactor leaks, basic armour damage (easier to damage in the future) and even Engine Death.

Damage can be repaired by Servitor units which obviously costs actions.

The buildings used are Cad onto Foamboard of the modular plastic buildings that will be available to buy to assemble as you desire.

Hopefully I can get Bone Garland down and involved on Sunday.

Drake Seta


Last thing... someone else who was there on Friday posted a load of info on /tg. I actually searched 4chan to find this really detailed write-up of how the game works. Many Bothans died.

ONTO THE GAME ITSELF.
Mechanically i was not able to directly play the game but I paid as much attention as I could whilst taking photos, and I think I have a pretty good perception of it. Conceptually its clear as crystal (sans knights but its easy to imagine the game with them)

Imagine titans as something of a giant battleship. Vehicle so vast they have armour differences for each location - Legs are actually quite strong on most titans. This is done because most things a titan fight will be attacking from below and you might imagine that titan vs titan combat, gettingyour leg blown out is badnews.

(The rules are for a certain FW. They even have a similar layout (but a blueish tint instead of red) to the book. The models themselves im not sure, will likely find out sunday)

However, not as bad as getting your fething face shot up. Which happened on at least two occasions that game.

If your void shields are down, and your hit in the face, you can expect your moderatii to die and your MIU's severed.

A reaver titan may expect to survive about 3 bad hits to the face before being destroyed if memory serves me right (it had also been beaten up bad before)
You may be fearing "oh feth alphastrike city" but you'd be very wrong (at least if your a titan, not sure on knights as none took part). Multiple reasons for this and I will explain the conceptual part first;

Ranges matter ALOT in this game. First turn only Apoc launchers and Volcano cannons were in range.

[...]

(The titan weapons seen, turbo lasers, plasma blastgun, sunfury plasma annhiliator, laser blasters, melta cannons and inferno guns, all weapons that were not in range turn 1 (aside from one instance of for laser blaster/turbo laser i'll get to that in a moment)

Onto mechanically why: the game is done in phases like 40, however each "turn" each sides roll a D10 (yes the game uses d10s!) for initiative.

The side with the higher initiative activates a titan first.

For example (there weas a phase before this, which was not done in turn one, i;ll check my actual written notes soon) Team 1 moves a warlord titan. Team 2 moves a titan of their choice and so on.

Once all titans are moved, we enter the repair phase, where the tech priest on board will begin to repair any current damage. This can be stuff such as plasma reactors leaking etc. Then its damage control ; are these leaking system causing bad effects? what means are being used to dampen these?

I'll go back to more specifics once i've covered damage because its quite important.
We enter the combat phase after this. Naturally this where (most) the attacking happens.
Titans cannot split weapons without giving an order beforehand (more later). First you roll to hit as per usual however other factors are taken into account; dead moderatii, range (seemed to be for certain weapon types) and cover all adjust these values to hit.

Then, the enemy rolls a void save. This is dependent on how many void shields they currently have operating. Shields tend to become less effective as the game goes on due to systems being damaged and the shields being bombarded so less are operating at one time.

[...]

Once the enemy has no shields (or they fail a save iirc) you will begin hitting them.
This is where things get interesting. the old familar D6+Strength, then a bonus if you flanked (there didnt seem to be side armour for each component. Probably for the best otherwise we might have 3 values for each damn piece and there are alot of pieces)

Then your total is compared against the various thresholds for that location. Normal, Critical, Devastating

Normal, obviously, just does damage. Critical and devastating you roll on tables.
These cause additional damage as well as special effects. Devastating ones tend to be permanent - such as a plasma reactor being blown open or a crew member being heavily wounded.

Thats the essence of the game. There are of course specific for deaths of a titan.
One such result is a rather understated "silenced" - crew is dead, perforated beyond function, but stands tall and remains on the board.

Another is "laid low" the titan scatters a short distance, then you roll for the direction it falls

Of course more dramatic explosions exist.
Before all this however (im not sure it applies first turn, it may of just been to help familiaries people with the game to skip it first turn) is Orders Phase.

Each titan has a number of orders. These include: Emergency repairs (bonuses to repairing but you either move, or shoot - you'll actually do alot of moving in this game. ALOT). Stride - immiedately move (iirc) but again, you must either move or fire.

There was one more orders but alas it was not used. OH WAIT. CHARGE.
Charge; move. make immiedate attack.. you may of course make another melee attack later.

[...]

Melee combat, from what little i've seen is absolutely viable. A reaver punched another 4 times in the face, causing 2 criticals, forcing the enemy titan (which had a chainfist!) to back off like the Treasonous Legio Mortis pussycat it was
(Yeah repair was after move)

So how do you do orders?
Well if your the Princep Seniororous (no idea how to spell bs latin), you pass your order automatically everyone else makes d10 command checks.

Fail, and well, many guard players know what happens next; no more orders for that team.

We now also have something familar to Battletech players; heat! In this case its the plasma reactor.

You can boost certain actions by powering up your reactor.
For example movement can be exchanged for a better value that is listed in brackets, special rules of some weapons (for example laser blasters can be used to overpower a shield) can be activated ,some weapons require powering (Belicosa's for example)

Plasma weapons can be outright simply improved using reactor power, though the boosts do not work against void shields because of how these weapons work (so much like tabletop, void shields are countered by chaffire, though some strong weapon types can defeat them)

Another use is boostingyour shields. Declaring power to your void shields (it done per instance of weapon fired, so not like jinking) gives you the ability to reroll 1's.
So one believable tactic is to spook someone into keep overcharging their reactor, eventually they will overload it and bad things happen.

Bad things include the machine spirit trying to throw you off like a pissed off horse, forcing your princep to engage in a Machine-Spirit rodeo via a command check

As I mentioned earlier; titans manuervarability is limited. This includes arcs of rotation - you can charge and rotate btw
I believe thats everything besides some loose change intricasies.

[...]

This includes no premeasuring.
Yes, currently premeasuring is not allowed. No weapon uses fantasy cannonball rules currently
If you failed to hit witha blast weapon, you scatter d10 (no direct hit)

Orders that failed - unit carries on as normal.

Voiods do not work in melee - this might be expected.
Overcharging will not (at least as movement goes) cancel your action. Unless of coures your dead.

One order I forgot, that made the game very interesting; First Fire. You fire a single weapon in the order phase, you may not move.

Points cost as per usual are the basis of the game balance (in addition too force org) weapons them selves have specifiic casts
Shields can regen, just like table top.


Saturday night's game was a blast too. It was smaller because the big room was in use, they had to do it in a corridor, I don't think they'd planned to do it originally but the Friday one was so popular they wheeled it out again. But it was still a really exciting game to watch. Seems really solid and tactical - I spoke to James about designing it and he said he thinks one of the most important things in a game is decision making, like, 'do I do X or Y', where both are possibly valid options. You can really see it from watching the game. Both teams spent a long time talking strategy, and listening in on the Mortis side on Saturday night it really was because there were a lot of things to think about. I don't mean that in a bad way though - it wasn't a case of too many options slowing the game down, more that they were really trying to out-think the other side, and the game rewards you for thinking properly about the sequence you activate things in, the orders you give to your titans, and especially combining fire. On both nights you could see the teams working that last one out as time went by... at first it was lots of peacemeal fire, stripping shields and doing minor damage. But as it went on they realised that they had to focus. Then they started using smaller titans to strip shields, because big guns (like the warlord volcano cannon) were a bit useless against a shielded titan but totally devastating against an unshielded one.

I didn't get a chance to play, but I really came away wanting to. I can't wait for this, and I'm really hoping they do another demonstration at Warhammer Fest (they said they didn't know but maybe).



More snippets, this from Atia

 Atia wrote:
The 8mm Warlord is still about the same size as the FW Thanatar, and has still the same amount of parts, if it would be done in resin (which is not yet decided thanks to more ressources and a hard to find spot in the release schedule thanks to the next two years of planned GW releases).

I also did a little extra write-up after the event for some additional information snippets:
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1683

"Adeptus Titanicus and Specialist Games:

- The design work for the initial titans is done, but they haven't decided on the production yet. Maybe plastic, maybe resin. But they know how they will look and the scale. You could take pictures of an 8mm warlord and a 28mm scale one, and wouldn't notice a difference.
- This is meant to be a specialist game - like the heresy, it will probably be expensive. That said, you only need around 5 titans per side for a normal sized game, with smaller games having only one titan (and these are still quite fun and tactical).
- The basic rule book will have fluff for Legio Gryphonicus, Legio Tempestus and 1-2 other ones, aswell as Knights. Also scenarios for big events, like the Battle for the Magna City or Molech.
- Plan is to do "black book style" campaign books after that, with the titans' death as the first.
- The different Titan Legions will get specific traits. Tempestus can deep strike, Astorum may also get the "lucius teleportation stuff".
- Plan is to explore all the different titans that exist in the fluff. Stuff like Nightgaunts or Nemesis titans will be it's own unique class, not weapon variants of the Warlord. These may also be done in 28mm scale if they sell well.
- The Ordo Sinister Psi-Warlords are controlled by a psychic null, and they use psychers as batteries! They want to do a new head piece aswell as a new weapon for it.
- Table size will be 4x4, with 4x6 for the big battles like Molech.
- Probably no Imperator Titan, atleast at the start. They were quite rare, even in 30k, and the scale would make them quite big, even with 8 mm.
- The next two years are quite busy for GW and FW, so no ETA for the release slot."

Also - you guys will love the other specialist game that should be announced later this year, probably at Warhammer Fest




From Col. Hertford's blog

Adeptus Titanicus Review - Part 1 - Command Panel
Today's post is about Adeptus Titanicus and the demo game I played in on the Saturday night of the weekender.

Specialist Games were in force at the Horus Heresy Weekender 2017 to discus the new Adeptus Titanicus Rules. I brought my own titan up, the Reaver Titan "Bellator Ferrum" from Legio Tempestus, to join in the battle. The Loyalist team outnumbered the Traitors, so "Bellator Ferrum" joined the traitor faction of Tempestus for the evening. This game was run by James Hewitt, the games designer. This series of post will give a detailed flavour of the rules.

The Command Panel

The command panel is where it is all at in Adeptus Titanicus.
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Starting in the top left, we have the order space. The orders on the right go here, but more on orders later.

Command - This is the number the titan has to roll to above to get receive orders.
Ballistic Skill - This is the value you have to roll on a D6 to hit without modifiers.
Speed - This has two values, the first is the normal speed. The second is when you decide to push extra reactor power to the legs.
Weapon Skill - This is the value you have to roll on a D6 to hit in close combat without modifiers.
Manoeuvre - The number of turns a titan can make. This has two values, the first is the normal numbers of turns. The second is when you decide to push extra reactor power to the legs to get additional turns.
Servitor Clades - This is the amount of dice you roll in the repair phase.

The box to the right is the power and shields console. The top line is the amount of output the titans reactor can put out. This is currency to boost actions like moves and turns. Shields can be boosted to allow you to re-rolled failed saves. Some weapons like plasma weapons can be overcharged using power. The largest lasers must be powered up to fire. A warning on this is if you are in the orange or red, you need to roll to see if bad things happen. The bottom line is the number of shields your titan currently has.

The box directly beneath these is the structure console. This has three sections for Head, Body, and Legs. The round circles on the left are the armour. The three linked circles on the left are the structural section. This box is important as its not possible to repair the things in this box.

The boxes at the bottom are the weapons. I didn't get a good look at the Warhound console, but i assume its has two weapons. Arm Weapons are in a 90 degree arc to the front. The Reaver carapace weapon is 360 Degree arc. The Warlord carapace is a fixed forward fire. When weapons are destroyed, the card is flipped over. Additional damage would then be rolled as the damage then can flash back into the Titan.

That is it for today, tune in for another instalment soon.





More from M_R_Parker of B&C:

A really cool seminar going over the background of the Titanicus games (and the background of the Horus Heresy setting as well), looking at some of the older models and some of the promo shots and White Dwarf articles for the older iterations of the game (fun fact: back in the day the only way to get smoke effects into their shots was to use cigar smoke. Good to see Health & Safety wasn't always so overpowering...). We got a little insight into the new game, some of the background for it, what they're potentially including, and some insight into the modelling process for the new kits. Apparently someones been working on making the 40k scale Warlord into a AT scale and it's taken them around 2 to 3 months to complete. It's scaled so well that they've taken shots of the resultant models and without any reference for scale there's no way to determine which model is which. Apparently they're trying to do the same for the Reaver, but with it not being an existing CAD they're having to do things manually, which is a longer process.
The game itself seems like a lot of fun, and seems to scale incredibly well. Apparently it can go from a single Warlord on each side all the way to around 10 or so Titans on each side and the only real impact is the time required to play it. Plus it's not following the traditional Fantasy / 40k system of 'My turn, then Your turn' but each phase is a one action followed by the other players action, and so on until the turn is finished. This keeps the game flowing without you having nothing to do for about 10 minutes whilst your opponent has his turn. I think this will be a really good system to get into when it comes out - which is still not finalised. Because it's going out in GW stores it has to fight it's way into the main GW schedule, and apparently there's already a lot lined up for the next two years which is making Titanicus problematic to schedule.




From Battle Bunnies


Beta Garmon is an important setting during the Horus Heresy and is referenced in this picture below.
It also shows two Titan Legios in the top row which are being reintroduced into the IP.
Imperial Hunters are returning into the game too.
Legio Krytos "God Breakers" the Pragmatic wrecking ball of the Titan Legions.
Knights aren't very durable against Titans, but really can't be ignored.
They have done Legio specific traits for Mortis and Tempestus.
Scenarios include the House Devine vs Titans in the end of Vengeful Spirit and they are planning Titan Death on Beta Garmon
Planning for game to be on 4x4 giving the collectors place for the datasheets.
App support might happen if demand is high
No plans for Imperator yet.
Ordo Sinister will feature
Ursus claws will be done
No word on price yet.
Models will be relatively expensive.


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Spoilered summary posts

Spoiler:

Blip from Tactical Command


Right then, here is what I learned from this morning's seminar on Adeptus Titanicus:

Andy Hoare is the lead designer.

Still a WIP with not all of the rules nailed down so no release date as yet and not sure whether it'll be plastic or resin. Probably a mix.

Game built around 5 units or so per side with a standard 4x4 area but lots of campaign missions are 6x4. Play testing games of 5v5 were about 2hrs long.

Turn sequence based on the original AT scheme of 'I go you go, next phase':
Initiative
Move
Repair
Shoot
Combat

Core rule book has 3 ways of play: open, matched and narrative (battles from HH series)

Uses some custom dice - e.g. reactor dice for over loading weapons etc.

Status cards are used for unit stats, locational damage and critical damage effects. App support for this may come if it proves popular enough. Command terminal cards with pegs to keep track of things will be used - sounded a bit like Armada.

Models are much bigger than the old scale AT - no specifics shared but a Warlord will be noticeably bigger than a Space Marine Dreadnaught. All the current titans and knights FW make will appear in AT. Knights will be the smallest unit. Decals and banners will be available.

Knights are basically disposable pawns but can cause a fair bit of damage in groups (known as knight banners).

Titans will come with weapon options with pre cut holes for magnetisation but no magnets for legal reasons.

Some of the old legios are going to be coming back. Focus on the battle on Beta Garmin(?) (Known as the 'Titan death' because of the carnage amongst the Titan legions). Lots of background on Legio Crytos (from the Tallarn books) linked to the Iron Warriors. Legio specific warlord traits appear granting army wide buffs to give the legios different flavours

No definite plans to do orks/eldar etc but will do terrain and objective pieces. This is most definitely NOT a prelude to a revamped Epic.



From Rictus (Thanks Warhams-77)

Horus Heresy Weekender 2017 - Adeptus Titanicus

Not a lot to report from the Adeptus Titanicus seminar.

However watching the demo game and chatting to Andy Hoare the game looks very entertaining. From what I saw not having a lot of models in a force allows there to be a lot of depth to each Titan.

I won't repeat what I have put up after previous events but I will repeat that the game is Horus Heresy set so only expect Imperial Titans and Knights, no Xenos and no vehicles & infantry, expect to see classes of Titan and Knights we have already seen as models in 28mm and those we haven't yet seen - though we may have heard of them previously in the background material and novels.

The mock up buildings used in the demo games were scaled up versions of those done for the game, so if you look at the pictures below you can get an idea of what they will look like. Expect them to be modular and with plenty of potential.

There looks to be a some great nods going back to the earliest days of the original Adeptus Titanicus, both in the feel of the game and the background material used.

The control panel (can't remember actual name of them) allow you to keep track of everything on your titan. While there is a chance we will get one included with each titan the chances are we'll get a pack of them in the box game and then be able to buy add on packs as you need.

Knight units will tend to be used either as a protective screen (aka cannon fodder) or as fast flankers to peck away at the enemy. While they die easily to ignore them will be a big risk.

I have to say I am really looking forward to the game, even more than I was before (which was a lot)...but the release date could be a year away, though from what was said it is likely to be this year.



A better photo of the console for the participation game






M_R_Parker of B&C


Titanicus mainly finished but it does not yet have a release slot. There's lots coming out from GW in the next 2 years and Titanicus is jostling for position amongst them.

Legio specific rules for Gryphonicus and Mortis at the moment, other Legios to follow

Titanicus models will have points for magnets, to swap out weapons, etc. They can't sell magnets however.

Phases follow previous [Epic] versions rather than 40k "I go, you go" - so a movement phase on a "I move one, you move one, I move another one, ..." etc, same for repair, shooting, combat, etc



Our very own Koppo

 Koppo wrote:
OK, so I managed to get myself a warhound in the Adeptus Titanicus demo game.

This game is awesome. I cannot express how much I enjoyed playing and how brilliant this game is.

Brief partial synopsis:

Uses a turn sequence of roll for initiative(D10 off) Orders, move, fix, shoot, remove orders

Goes unit activation (so I move one, you move one until nothing to move then I fire one, you fire one until nothing left to fire)

Titans get a plasma overheat track. Doing stuff extra to the bare minimum causes a roll that may odd 0,1 or 2 to your overheat. If your overheating then between movement and shooting you might have "bad things" happen, I got a "take a powerful hit" which than caused my plasma to overheat by and extra 1 each turn! The opposing Warlord lost all of its void shields from an overheat (which is very, very bad).

A titan has 3 locations; Head, Body, legs. Each tracks damage separately. You can choose to target an area for a modifier to your to hot roll or take it randomly.

Right, time for bed so I'll leave with: This game is very awesome and will take all of my money as soon as it comes out.


Not sure on the source of this one - posted by MeanGreenStompa

Titan Stat Card





2017 new years open day

From Battle Bunnies

- Adeptus Titanicus is delayed (it was originally planned to be released around february). Not being rushed out. Might be out before the end of the year.

- There will be complete plastic buildings (which you can destroy yourself, by cutting etc).
- Thanks to Blood Bowl, and the delay there is a possibility of plastic Titans which go on sale at the same time as the black book / resin ones.
- The book art for 'Titan's Death' is being worked on right now.


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July Open Day 2016
Older rumours, spoliered

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From Battle Bunnies

- It's basically the new EPIC.

- It will be set during the Horus Heresy (for now). It's just easier to start with Titans vs Titans, and expand later on.

- It will be in 8mm scale. You will be able to make out power armour marks.

- Since all is done in CAD, they can release all titans done for AT also in 28mm scale if they prove to be liked.

- The reason the new Knight got upscaled was because of AT - they wanted to make him look distinguishable from the Questoris and Cerastus chassis. Oh, and he was originally meant to be the 'Warden'.

- They will start with titans, and will expand to tanks/flyers and infantry aswell as other races later. But that's still a while out.

- The first models will be Warhound/Reaver/Warlord aswell as Knights, done in resin.

- The starter box will be just a game set-up starter, without models (atleast that's what's planned for now). It will be done in plastic and be all about scenery and rules.

- They may do a nice Black Book version of the rules too, including propper background and lots of colour schemes!

- The planned release is the next Horus Heresy Weekender.

- They may do a 28mm scale Adeptus Titanicus battle at the next HH Weekender



From myself:

- They're digging into all previous Epic games for inspiration, but it will be a new rule set.
- Expect Titans to have a plasma reactor power tracker to keep track of how much power they have.
- They'll be able to overload the reactor to boost power with a risk (Overload voids, increase speed, etc)
- Harpoons will be back but nowhere near as ridiculous as they used to be!
- Expect 2nd edition Epic orders and damage charts
- Expect 1st edition campaign and upgrade rules
- Engine war will be a bit of a slugfest, with Titans slowly blasting each other to Atoms, staggering about, weapons missing, systems burnt out, but still able to fight until you smash the legs, pulverise the MIU's or cause the reactor to go nuclear.
- Manourberability is key - the heavier the Titan, the slower they are. He described a play test where his final warlord was scragged when an enemy warhound got behind it and he didn't have enough power to overload the reactor to take more turns than they can
- Knights are objective grabbers and shield droppers, don't expect them to go toe to toe with Titans and survive
- Campaign games are the default mode of play, similar to Necromunda as he described it. With options for competitive and open play.
- Machine spirit personality will play a role. This sounded really exciting. Titans will pick up a personality the more used they are. So you could end up wth a Titan geared for close combat and have it turn into a bit of berserker which will have an effect of it becoming less controllable in battle. 'Resting' the Titan becomes an important choice to make. Yes, your Titan could end up with PTSD or worse...


Posted on Battle Bunnies

It was James Hewitt I chatted to and he was willing to divulge quite a lot of information and was clearly excited on the topic (as was I!). I'm still recalling things as I managed to collar him for nearly 30 minutes! Allow me to expand a few points. Be advised that he was describing early playtest rules. He's only played it internally with 3 man team. He's currently frantically printing out paper models for an expanded playtest across GW. So bear that in mind:

Like previous Epic versions, it's currently an alternative activation system instead of UGOIGO

The plasma tracker
The plasma tracker was very interesting. Each Titan will have a certain amount of power they generate per turn. They then use the power to move, fire weapons, do damage control and repair voids. There's currently an overload mechanic whereby you can increase the power they generate to do additional actions. However, overtaxing the reactor carries risks, though he didn't expand on the risks.

Titan Datasheets
He described each Titan as having its own unit card with stats (move, turns etc.), plasma power tracker, damage track and weapon hard points. He seemed to be describing a hybrid of 1st Edition (weapon hard points, stats and refits) and 2nd Edition Titan datasheets (hit location and critical damage tables).

An expanded description of his playtest
He described a typical Warlord as having 4 inch movement and a single 90 degree turn. Warhounds having an 8 inch movement and could make two 90 degree turns. In his playtest, he described the final turn with only 1 Warlord facing off against 2 Warhounds, with everything else disabled or destroyed. One Warhound distracted him to the front, and took down the Warlords last remaining Voids. The Warlord then returned fire and blew it away. But, crucially, failed his reactor overload and was not able to take an additional turn to face the other, hidden, Warhound with his thicker frontal armour. This left his rear, and the vulnerable reactor housing, exposed and unshielded. On the Warhound’s turn, it moved out and fired on the rear of an unshielded Warlord and breached its reactor!

Machine Spirit Personalities
This is something that, as he described, was hinted at in the background but something that he'd like to explore within the game. I think ideas are still being developed, but he wanted to give Titan's their own personalities, for example the close-combat equipped Titan turning into a berserker. The idea being that you try to issue the Titan an order but the Machine Spirit, feeling more than a little rage as a result of doing far too much close combat and not having any rest, starts exerting its influencing on the Princeps! He mentioned that during campaigns, you'll want to rest Titans as they become mentally burnt out and start developing undesirable personalities.

Game types
He described the default game as Campaign games and used Necromunda as an example - you have a roster and for a game, you choose entries from your roster. Between games, you can apply for refits and your crews gain experience. Ejecting heads were mooted as an example of the Princeps and Moderatii being able to survive the destruction of their Titan. He described that, similar to Age of Sigmar, they're also planning to have an open play and competitive play option as well for those who just want to plop down some Titans and just have at it.

Background
He really wants to codify Titans. He's currently been scouring archives and has got a lot of material including Jes Goodwin’s ancient sketches.

The future
He got very excited when I mentioned Psi-Titans!
Imperator Titans would only appear if the game proves to be popular.
I asked about Banelord Titans and vehicles. Again, it's all about popularity.
However, he is writing the rules engine so that they are able to add in vehicles or infantry without requiring a whole new set of rules to be written. He described the jarring effect of Titans and Infantry needing two sets of rules in previous games and it's something that he definitely wants to avoid.




Finally, here's the early prototype casting:

Spoiler:


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Post by: Alpharius


I think plastic Titans - especially Warlords - are almost certain now, aren't they?

I hope so!

Also, thanks for starting - and maintaining - this thread.

Given your level of interest here, I know you'll do a great job at it!



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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I know this might sound churlish, but do we need the rumour from 2016? Weekender is the best source these days, and including earlier stuff given the delay may lead to confusion?


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Post by: Vintersorg


People, we must keep the thread alive, ALIVE!

Really looking forward for this game and its evolutions.

This would be my first time to buy GW miniatures in years, more than 5 I would say.


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Post by: SeanDrake


 Alpharius wrote:
I think plastic Titans - especially Warlords - are almost certain now, aren't they?

I hope so!

Also, thanks for starting - and maintaining - this thread.

Given your level of interest here, I know you'll do a great job at it!


I don't know I figure they might do the knights and warhounds in plastic but I do not see them giving up the required production capability for plastic warlords or reavers I hope I am wrong though.

Still has the potential to be the most expensive war game ever made on a £ per model count basis.



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Post by: Rayvon


Awesome stuff, really looking forward to this one !!


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Post by: Mr Morden


Some lovely artwork and this looks great


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Post by: deathstalker013


I would definitely welcome a return of Epic, Epic Space Marine is what got me started in GW, and it really was Epic.


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Post by: unmercifulconker


Wait, are people saying plastic Titans as in the current scale models but in plastic form to play the game at a bigger size or is it just plastic for new titans in this smaller scale? Why would it be expensive?

Definitely buying the book, I wanna see some glorious God-engine artwork!


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Post by: GoatboyBeta


 unmercifulconker wrote:
Wait, are people saying plastic Titans as in the current scale models but in plastic form to play the game at a bigger size or is it just plastic for new titans in this smaller scale? Why would it be expensive?

Definitely buying the book, I wanna see some glorious God-engine artwork!


Plastic(possibly) in the new 8mm Epic scale. The expense comes from a Warlord being roughly the size of the a plastic 40k Knight at that scale. So either way your probably looking at expensive or very expensive depending on what GW decide for the kit.


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Post by: unmercifulconker


Ooohhhh right, haha yes I imagine it will be pricey at that size, thought it was gonna be a lot smaller. Thanks for the info.

Ahwell, maybe one day we'll get a proper sized Warhound in plastic at least.


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Post by: zedmeister


 Alpharius wrote:
I think plastic Titans - especially Warlords - are almost certain now, aren't they?


Not guaranteed though
They've flirted and hinted with the idea. Personally, it'd be silly if they didn't at least do the first run in plastic. Resin will make it expensive for all but the most dedicated gamer. A set with plastic Titans will have the long departed Epic vets returning in droves.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I know this might sound churlish, but do we need the rumour from 2016? Weekender is the best source these days, and including earlier stuff given the delay may lead to confusion?


It was only 6 months ago. I've left them but stuck them in a spoiler


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 Alpharius wrote:

Also, thanks for starting - and maintaining - this thread.

Given your level of interest here, I know you'll do a great job at it!

So, everyone!


No problem, I'm just a complete Epic fanboy who's a bit over the moon at its return!


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Post by: Matt.Kingsley


Yeah I really hope they're able to get at least the basic Titans and Knights in plastic (with the rarer designs as either resin upgrades or full resin kits), not just for my wallets sake but so that I'll have others too play with. I have no doubt that I'd be able to build a Titanicus force even if it was entirely resin (if at the cost of every other hobby lol), but I doubt I'd be able to get anyone else into the game.


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Post by: zedmeister


New Info from Blip on Tactical Command Forums also added to OP:

Right then, here is what I learned from this morning's seminar on Adeptus Titanicus:

Andy Hoare is the lead designer.

Still a WIP with not all of the rules nailed down so no release date as yet and not sure whether it'll be plastic or resin. Probably a mix.

Game built around 5 units or so per side with a standard 4x4 area but lots of campaign missions are 6x4. Play testing games of 5v5 were about 2hrs long.

Turn sequence based on the original AT scheme of 'I go you go, next phase':
Initiative
Move
Repair
Shoot
Combat

Core rule book has 3 ways of play: open, matched and narrative (battles from HH series)

Uses some custom dice - e.g. reactor dice for over loading weapons etc.

Status cards are used for unit stats, locational damage and critical damage effects. App support for this may come if it proves popular enough. Command terminal cards with pegs to keep track of things will be used - sounded a bit like Armada.

Models are much bigger than the old scale AT - no specifics shared but a Warlord will be noticeably bigger than a Space Marine Dreadnaught. All the current titans and knights FW make will appear in AT. Knights will be the smallest unit. Decals and banners will be available.

Knights are basically disposable pawns but can cause a fair bit of damage in groups (known as knight banners).

Titans will come with weapon options with pre cut holes for magnetisation but no magnets for legal reasons.

Some of the old legios are going to be coming back. Focus on the battle on Beta Garmin(?) (Known as the 'Titan death' because of the carnage amongst the Titan legions). Lots of background on Legio Crytos (from the Tallarn books) linked to the Iron Warriors. Legio specific warlord traits appear granting army wide buffs to give the legios different flavours

No definite plans to do orks/eldar etc but will do terrain and objective pieces. This is most definitely NOT a prelude to a revamped Epic.


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Post by: AegisGrimm


Yeah, people are meaning expensive as in, imagine a game where you need at least two-three 40k scale knights per player, just at the basic game. Epic returned will be absolutely fething awesome, but lots of people think games like Star Wars Armada are godawful expensive when you need to spend $150 a player for a fleet, where in this new iteration of AT, that'll likely be the cost of a single Warlord, not including rules.

Titans are sweet, but not what I would be eager for a new Epic about. I want to see ranks of troops and tanks and walkers, where a 4x6 table can give you the same scope as a 12x15 foot 40k table!


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Post by: MeanGreenStompa


 zedmeister wrote:
New Info from Blip on Tactical Command Forums also added to OP:

Right then, here is what I learned from this morning's seminar on Adeptus Titanicus:

Andy Hoare is the lead designer.

No definite plans to do orks/eldar etc but will do terrain and objective pieces. This is most definitely NOT a prelude to a revamped Epic.


If AH is doing it I have very high hopes, IA13 is a work of art and I am still saddened he no longer works on HH.

I am not saddened by the lack of xenos this early, or of them saying 'yeah it's not epic', as it will expand if it's a hit, I should think.

I'd personally like to see it start with the HH and then expand with xenos etc along with expansion rulesets by timeline, like Battletech, according to eras.

I hope plastics are a certainty for this, I think it will make or break it to at least have a core plastic, whether that be the warlord or the lighter titans I don't know, but what I'd love to see is a rapidly followed up expansion with plastics of the others of the 'main 3' titans, so if they do warlords to start, a boxed set of warhounds and reavers to follow up.



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Post by: Warhams-77


Like with Blood Bowl GW management surely used previous sale numbers to estimate demand. Now with BB actually being a hit, things could change (fingers crossed) but it is a bit hard to imagine they will get plastic titans from concept to warehouse til the end of the year. With BB they showed it's possible (9 months they said). But a Warlord kit with lots of options in plastic is a different beast tbh. I hope they take the time and make the latter. But that could mean waiting a year or longer.

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The book's pages shown by warhammer-community are amazing. I'm looking forward to reading it





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Post by: H.B.M.C.


Oh good. Proprietary dice.


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Post by: NivlacSupreme


I hate GW sometimes. They bring back an amazing game but make the models huge so that nobody under 20 can afford to play.

On a different note, if Warlords are knight sized are Emperors Warlord sized?


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Post by: Warhams-77


FW didn't say Knight-sized, they said similiar to their larger Dreadnought kits. And they have no plans for Emperors in AT.




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Post by: Chairman Aeon


8mm should be interesting for CAD infantry...if we get that far.

Only thing that worries me is that in the evolution from AT to Epic if titans get simplified from what this game is offering.


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Post by: NivlacSupreme


Warhams-77 wrote:
FW didn't say Knight-sized, they said similiar to their larger Dreadnought kits. And they have no plans for Emperors in AT.




I thought they did. And for some reason I thought the Ordo Sinster maintained Emperor class titans.


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Post by: Thargrim


Yeah unless they go plastic we're looking at a good 200-300 usd to get into the base game. That is just my wild guess, but if each titan has to have those stat sheets and cards that will drive up the cost further. That stuff is cool, it certainly looks awesome. But the resin models is the thing that will drive the cost of this up to insane levels.

I kind of wish they went for an even smaller scale, so the models were smaller thus less expensive.


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Post by: Warhams-77


From Rictus

Horus Heresy Weekender 2017 - Adeptus Titanicu

Not a lot to report from the Adeptus Titanicus seminar.

However watching the demo game and chatting to Andy Hoare the game looks very entertaining. From what I saw not having a lot of models in a force allows there to be a lot of depth to each Titan.

I won't repeat what I have put up after previous events but I will repeat that the game is Horus Heresy set so only expect Imperial Titans and Knights, no Xenos and no vehicles & infantry, expect to see classes of Titan and Knights we have already seen as models in 28mm and those we haven't yet seen - though we may have heard of them previously in the background material and novels.

The mock up buildings used in the demo games were scaled up versions of those done for the game, so if you look at the pictures below you can get an idea of what they will look like. Expect them to be modular and with plenty of potential.

There looks to be a some great nods going back to the earliest days of the original Adeptus Titanicus, both in the feel of the game and the background material used.

The control panel (can't remember actual name of them) allow you to keep track of everything on your titan. While there is a chance we will get one included with each titan the chances are we'll get a pack of them in the box game and then be able to buy add on packs as you need.

Knight units will tend to be used either as a protective screen (aka cannon fodder) or as fast flankers to peck away at the enemy. While they die easily to ignore them will be a big risk.

I have to say I am really looking forward to the game, even more than I was before (which was a lot)...but the release date could be a year away, though from what was said it is likely to be this year.


https://recalcitrantdaze.blogspot.de/2017/02/horus-heresy-weekender-2017-adeptus.html


A better photo of the stat card for the participation game

Spoiler:





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Post by: zedmeister


First fire, hello old friend. Now there's a term I've missed

Also, added to OP - thanks


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Post by: NivlacSupreme


Maybe I can get a starter box for my birthday. Hopefully one side isn't plastered in chaos stuff.


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Post by: Rayvon



The increased scale combined with resin titans seems to be prohibitive to many possible customers.

I think the choice of material used for the main forces could well make or break the game.

What was the reason given for not making them in 6mm ?
I cannot seem to remember..


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Post by: NivlacSupreme


Was it "MOAR MONIEZ"?


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Post by: Azreal13


 Rayvon wrote:

The increased scale combined with resin titans seems to be prohibitive to many possible customers.

I think the choice of material used for the main forces could well make or break the game.

What was the reason given for not making them in 6mm ?
I cannot seem to remember..


It doesn't matter what the given reason was, or even if there was one, I think we can figure out what the actual reason is.


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Post by: zedmeister


 Azreal13 wrote:

It doesn't matter what the given reason was, or even if there was one, I think we can figure out what the actual reason is.


Hush you!



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Post by: Jehan-reznor


I want to see miniatures and how they stack up to the old ones!


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Post by: Rayvon


Two or three old warlords stacked up will be the size of one new one ?



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Post by: NivlacSupreme


I am seriously mad about this.

I hope they do do the Lucius pattern ones in plastic. I always preferred those designs.


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Post by: Warhams-77


While this is not the actual model for sale it gives a good impression



At the last event it was said the size would be similiar to this fella (center)







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Post by: NivlacSupreme


I can't afford a leviathan! Is it confirmed that there'll be a starter box?


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Post by: RiTides


If they're selling terrain (buildings) it seems like a starter box containing those and some titans would be quite likely, right?

I seriously cannot wait!


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Post by: AegisGrimm


Sounds like the Starter would be rules and terrain. No minis.


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Post by: Eumerin


Good - It's Adeptus Titanicus! Yeah!

The Bad - Not happy about the bigger models. I still rather like the original Warlord Titans.
I'm concerned that having to manage close to half a dozen data sheets is going to bog down the game. IIRC, the original AT kept all of the paperwork quite literally on the model itself. That kept the game running smoothly, and made it easy to check on the status of stuff - you just looked at the model. The data sheets mean more time spent away from the table. Plus you need extra space (in addition to the 4x4 or 6x4 play area) to place your data sheets. We'll see, but my initial impression is not positive.


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Post by: RiTides


I'm fine with Warlords being large dreadnought sized - it'll make the Knights reasonably sized to detail well.

Seriously, they're giving us Adeptus Titanicus, with some plastic! I can't find much not to like


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Post by: str00dles1


6mm/8mm is all the same. Old epic stuff varied all over the place. Many of the warmachines were closer to 8 anyways


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Post by: H.B.M.C.


So they're going to make a skirmish game that costs as much as a full 40K army? Seems kinda backwards to me.

And smaller armies allow for greater detail... like 3 different hit zones. Count 'em: THREE!




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Post by: VeteranNoob


I'll be buying this game, but still over 5K points of Squats will be playing Net Epic/Epic Armageddon.


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Post by: Kid_Kyoto


For an 8mm scale you basically multiply the real world height by .004 to get the height of a the mini in CM.

So a 25m warlord titan (per the first page) is 100m or about 4 inches.

Spoiler:


About twice the size of an old Epic one IIRC.


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Post by: Azreal13


While I can't dispute your number logic KK, that's a Reaver...


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That does tally with the given model height of the 40K Reaver though, and taking the stated ~22" height of the 40K Warlord that'll land it in the 6-7" bracket. (Difficult to be precise because some of it is based on posing.)


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Post by: Elbows


I'll be following this with interest based solely on getting to look at neat stuff.

Sadly, as I mentioned in the other thread: resin (particularly FW resin) + FW prices + lack of proper 40K universe expansion (at this point it's not a replacement for "Epic") = no go. Shame too, because a good plastic box would have been a quick sale to myself and most others in my gaming group. Realistically a plastic box with two opposing forces (say a Reaver and a handful of knights, each) would have been a no-brainer at the $150 price point of something like the Betrayal at Calth/Prospero boxed games.

8mm is also sad because I have friends who have large current forces for Epic and these'll be all but uselessly out of scale (likely done on purpose to spurn the mass market of secondary sculptors who've been supporting Epic for 10-15 years). Regardless I'll look forward to pretty pictures of titans and such.


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Post by: nevaks80


I was at the weekender, I watched the games on both Friday and Saturday and I had a good talk with the designers, so I might be able to add some things. Lifting my self imposed forum exile to write this, because there's a lot of misinformation / omissions posted so far and I'm really excited about this game.

Andy Hoare is the lead designer.


This is wrong - but the seminar did make it sound like that. Andy is the specialist games manager, but he didn't design the game, that was James Hewitt (who did Betrayal at Calth, Silver Tower, Gorechosen, new Blood Bowl, and had something to do with Dreadball when he was at Mantic). From talking to James, it seems like Andy ran the project, helped with the design and made sure things ran on time, but James did the actual game design. I got the impression they're a close team, there are only three of them and it sounds like they're all really working together.

He also said they'd worked on AT for most of last year, and had tested it for six to eight months (which he said was above average for GW games). He said it drew inspiration from previous editions of AT / epic etc but was most similar to first edition AT, but with much more modern design.

Turn sequence based on the original AT scheme of 'I go you go, next phase':


I think Andy worded it badly in the seminar, because what he said didn't reflect the games I'd seen. It's not really like the original AT (where the turn sequence is based on the orders that have been issued), and it's definitely not what I'd think of as "I go you go" - but I can see what he was getting at. Instead it's more like: in the movement phase, I move a titan, then you move a titan, then I move a titan, and so on. I'd call that 'alternate activation' rather than 'I go you go'.

Models are much bigger than the old scale AT - no specifics shared but a Warlord will be noticeably bigger than a Space Marine Dreadnaught.


Chris (sculptor, has been working on the AT titans, and was helping run the game on Friday) and James both mentioned that the 40k scale game had been scaled up to four times the size of AT. Google says the 40k Warlord is 22.5" tall, so that would make the AT Warlord about 5.6" tall - smaller than a knight, bigger than a dreadnought. Maybe dreadknight size?

Knights are basically disposable pawns but can cause a fair bit of damage in groups


'Disposable pawns' wasn't said in the seminar far as I recall, and really wasn't the impression I got. James said they were like pack hunters taking down a big predator - they're not pawns, they're not disposable, but if you leave them in the open in front of a warlord they're dead.


Couple of other things I found online that aren't up here yet:

People from Titan Owners Club were playing on both nights, and one of them was watching on Friday and did this write-up:

Hi all.

I am here watching the new Adeptus Titanicus game carried out with 28mm scale Titans.

The game seems fast and pacey.

There are modifiers to to hit rolls (such as -1 if partially obstructed by a building.

Reactors are powered up and down to boost shields/strength of certain weapons and move faster. For instance a Reaver can move 6" as standard or 9" if he pushes his reactors.

Reactor overload actions are worked out at the end of the game turn. They can result in several different results like loosing shields, or prevent yourself from firing further Plasma weaponary or even reactor meltdown.

The game acts akin to chess where each unit takes it in turn to do an action. Turning the Titans have limits in 45 degree angles and cost movement or action points.

Each Titan runs a command panel as below where all information such as the one below.

They list the weapons that the Engine is equipped with, arcs of fire,range etc. It also enables you to keep track or apply special actions and keep track of that Titans activities.

When a Titan is hit without shields, the location of the hit (effected by arc of the strike) is rolled and damage is calculated against that part. Damage points are applied and damage strength is rolled to see how bad the damage is. It can result in reactor leaks, basic armour damage (easier to damage in the future) and even Engine Death.

Damage can be repaired by Servitor units which obviously costs actions.

The buildings used are Cad onto Foamboard of the modular plastic buildings that will be available to buy to assemble as you desire.

Hopefully I can get Bone Garland down and involved on Sunday.

Drake Seta


Last thing... someone else who was there on Friday posted a load of info on /tg. I actually searched 4chan to find this really detailed write-up of how the game works. Many Bothans died.

ONTO THE GAME ITSELF.
Mechanically i was not able to directly play the game but I paid as much attention as I could whilst taking photos, and I think I have a pretty good perception of it. Conceptually its clear as crystal (sans knights but its easy to imagine the game with them)

Imagine titans as something of a giant battleship. Vehicle so vast they have armour differences for each location - Legs are actually quite strong on most titans. This is done because most things a titan fight will be attacking from below and you might imagine that titan vs titan combat, gettingyour leg blown out is badnews.

(The rules are for a certain FW. They even have a similar layout (but a blueish tint instead of red) to the book. The models themselves im not sure, will likely find out sunday)

However, not as bad as getting your fething face shot up. Which happened on at least two occasions that game.

If your void shields are down, and your hit in the face, you can expect your moderatii to die and your MIU's severed.

A reaver titan may expect to survive about 3 bad hits to the face before being destroyed if memory serves me right (it had also been beaten up bad before)
You may be fearing "oh feth alphastrike city" but you'd be very wrong (at least if your a titan, not sure on knights as none took part). Multiple reasons for this and I will explain the conceptual part first;

Ranges matter ALOT in this game. First turn only Apoc launchers and Volcano cannons were in range.

[...]

(The titan weapons seen, turbo lasers, plasma blastgun, sunfury plasma annhiliator, laser blasters, melta cannons and inferno guns, all weapons that were not in range turn 1 (aside from one instance of for laser blaster/turbo laser i'll get to that in a moment)

Onto mechanically why: the game is done in phases like 40, however each "turn" each sides roll a D10 (yes the game uses d10s!) for initiative.

The side with the higher initiative activates a titan first.

For example (there weas a phase before this, which was not done in turn one, i;ll check my actual written notes soon) Team 1 moves a warlord titan. Team 2 moves a titan of their choice and so on.

Once all titans are moved, we enter the repair phase, where the tech priest on board will begin to repair any current damage. This can be stuff such as plasma reactors leaking etc. Then its damage control ; are these leaking system causing bad effects? what means are being used to dampen these?

I'll go back to more specifics once i've covered damage because its quite important.
We enter the combat phase after this. Naturally this where (most) the attacking happens.
Titans cannot split weapons without giving an order beforehand (more later). First you roll to hit as per usual however other factors are taken into account; dead moderatii, range (seemed to be for certain weapon types) and cover all adjust these values to hit.

Then, the enemy rolls a void save. This is dependent on how many void shields they currently have operating. Shields tend to become less effective as the game goes on due to systems being damaged and the shields being bombarded so less are operating at one time.

[...]

Once the enemy has no shields (or they fail a save iirc) you will begin hitting them.
This is where things get interesting. the old familar D6+Strength, then a bonus if you flanked (there didnt seem to be side armour for each component. Probably for the best otherwise we might have 3 values for each damn piece and there are alot of pieces)

Then your total is compared against the various thresholds for that location. Normal, Critical, Devastating

Normal, obviously, just does damage. Critical and devastating you roll on tables.
These cause additional damage as well as special effects. Devastating ones tend to be permanent - such as a plasma reactor being blown open or a crew member being heavily wounded.

Thats the essence of the game. There are of course specific for deaths of a titan.
One such result is a rather understated "silenced" - crew is dead, perforated beyond function, but stands tall and remains on the board.

Another is "laid low" the titan scatters a short distance, then you roll for the direction it falls

Of course more dramatic explosions exist.
Before all this however (im not sure it applies first turn, it may of just been to help familiaries people with the game to skip it first turn) is Orders Phase.

Each titan has a number of orders. These include: Emergency repairs (bonuses to repairing but you either move, or shoot - you'll actually do alot of moving in this game. ALOT). Stride - immiedately move (iirc) but again, you must either move or fire.

There was one more orders but alas it was not used. OH WAIT. CHARGE.
Charge; move. make immiedate attack.. you may of course make another melee attack later.

[...]

Melee combat, from what little i've seen is absolutely viable. A reaver punched another 4 times in the face, causing 2 criticals, forcing the enemy titan (which had a chainfist!) to back off like the Treasonous Legio Mortis pussycat it was
(Yeah repair was after move)

So how do you do orders?
Well if your the Princep Seniororous (no idea how to spell bs latin), you pass your order automatically everyone else makes d10 command checks.

Fail, and well, many guard players know what happens next; no more orders for that team.

We now also have something familar to Battletech players; heat! In this case its the plasma reactor.

You can boost certain actions by powering up your reactor.
For example movement can be exchanged for a better value that is listed in brackets, special rules of some weapons (for example laser blasters can be used to overpower a shield) can be activated ,some weapons require powering (Belicosa's for example)

Plasma weapons can be outright simply improved using reactor power, though the boosts do not work against void shields because of how these weapons work (so much like tabletop, void shields are countered by chaffire, though some strong weapon types can defeat them)

Another use is boostingyour shields. Declaring power to your void shields (it done per instance of weapon fired, so not like jinking) gives you the ability to reroll 1's.
So one believable tactic is to spook someone into keep overcharging their reactor, eventually they will overload it and bad things happen.

Bad things include the machine spirit trying to throw you off like a pissed off horse, forcing your princep to engage in a Machine-Spirit rodeo via a command check

As I mentioned earlier; titans manuervarability is limited. This includes arcs of rotation - you can charge and rotate btw
I believe thats everything besides some loose change intricasies.

[...]

This includes no premeasuring.
Yes, currently premeasuring is not allowed. No weapon uses fantasy cannonball rules currently
If you failed to hit witha blast weapon, you scatter d10 (no direct hit)

Orders that failed - unit carries on as normal.

Voiods do not work in melee - this might be expected.
Overcharging will not (at least as movement goes) cancel your action. Unless of coures your dead.

One order I forgot, that made the game very interesting; First Fire. You fire a single weapon in the order phase, you may not move.

Points cost as per usual are the basis of the game balance (in addition too force org) weapons them selves have specifiic casts
Shields can regen, just like table top.


Saturday night's game was a blast too. It was smaller because the big room was in use, they had to do it in a corridor, I don't think they'd planned to do it originally but the Friday one was so popular they wheeled it out again. But it was still a really exciting game to watch. Seems really solid and tactical - I spoke to James about designing it and he said he thinks one of the most important things in a game is decision making, like, 'do I do X or Y', where both are possibly valid options. You can really see it from watching the game. Both teams spent a long time talking strategy, and listening in on the Mortis side on Saturday night it really was because there were a lot of things to think about. I don't mean that in a bad way though - it wasn't a case of too many options slowing the game down, more that they were really trying to out-think the other side, and the game rewards you for thinking properly about the sequence you activate things in, the orders you give to your titans, and especially combining fire. On both nights you could see the teams working that last one out as time went by... at first it was lots of peacemeal fire, stripping shields and doing minor damage. But as it went on they realised that they had to focus. Then they started using smaller titans to strip shields, because big guns (like the warlord volcano cannon) were a bit useless against a shielded titan but totally devastating against an unshielded one.

I didn't get a chance to play, but I really came away wanting to. I can't wait for this, and I'm really hoping they do another demonstration at Warhammer Fest (they said they didn't know but maybe).


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Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Azreal13 wrote:
While I can't dispute your number logic KK, that's a Reaver...






Well it has been 20 years since I played Epic...


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Post by: Azreal13


At this point, it hardly seems sporting to note that "Reaver Titan" or some sort of derivation appears in the image you used 5 times...


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Post by: Joyboozer


Thanks nevaks80, that all sounds like great news, especially the Bothans part (I hate bothans!)


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Post by: H.B.M.C.


That actually sounds really cool.

But forgive my ignorance, is there any indication that this game will have some sort of in-built campaign play?


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Post by: Barzam


Why couldn't this be in 15mm? Oh well. If it gives me the opportunity to own more than one Knight and not have to dedicate an entire display shelf to them, I'll be quite happy with it.


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Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Barzam wrote:
Why couldn't this be in 15mm?
For the same reason why GW suddenly started putting their biggest selling line on all-new 32mm bases.
For the same reason they went and renamed all their paints.
For the same reason we get stupid word-salad names like Aeldari™, Aelfs™, Orruks™, Ogors™ and Fyreslyrys™.

That's why.




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Post by: nevaks80


H.B.M.C. wrote:That actually sounds really cool.

But forgive my ignorance, is there any indication that this game will have some sort of in-built campaign play?


They mentioned a campaign supplement - and they said, for example, your machine spirit might develop grudges etc against titans that had damaged it, and want to take revenge.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Barzam wrote:
Why couldn't this be in 15mm?
For the same reason why GW suddenly started putting their biggest selling line on all-new 32mm bases.
For the same reason they went and renamed all their paints.
For the same reason we get stupid word-salad names like Aeldari™, Aelfs™, Orruks™, Ogors™ and Fyreslyrys™.

That's why.




...15mm would be *bigger* than what they're saying. That's half the size of 40k, not a quarter (as posted above) / 8mm (as mentioned before). So what you're implying is that they're making it smaller because... profit or business reasons or something? I really can't work out what your point is.


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Post by: MajorWesJanson


Side note, but I really hope FW releases a set of those d6 with the Opus Titanica separately. I don't want to have to try to crawl eBay or trade forums to get a full playset for my big titans to roll with.


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Post by: Eumerin


 Barzam wrote:
Why couldn't this be in 15mm? Oh well. If it gives me the opportunity to own more than one Knight and not have to dedicate an entire display shelf to them, I'll be quite happy with it.


15mm Warlord Titans would be *huge*. They'd be far too large to realistically put half a dozen of them on the table.

IIRC, the original Epic scale figures were 6mm.



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Post by: NivlacSupreme


Eumerin wrote:
 Barzam wrote:
Why couldn't this be in 15mm? Oh well. If it gives me the opportunity to own more than one Knight and not have to dedicate an entire display shelf to them, I'll be quite happy with it.


15mm Warlord Titans would be *huge*. They'd be far too large to realistically put half a dozen of them on the table.

IIRC, the original Epic scale figures were 6mm.



With how this is looking a lot of people won't be able to afford 6 mini titans.


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Post by: Silent Puffin?


D10!?!
This is really starting to sound interesting.
Hopefully there will be a decent range of knights for my Epic Knight Household list


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Post by: H.B.M.C.


nevaks80 wrote:
...15mm would be *bigger* than what they're saying. That's half the size of 40k, not a quarter (as posted above) / 8mm (as mentioned before). So what you're implying is that they're making it smaller because... profit or business reasons or something? I really can't work out what your point is.


Then you need to re-read my post and look at what I wrote.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I'm really hoping they price this right.

Me, I'm very much 'more money than sense' when it comes to hobbies - be it kitchen toys, LARP gear or my gaming, so I'm easily suckered in.

But that's no good to me or anyone else if I'm the only one coughing up for it (which has sadly been Armada's fate in my neck of the woods)


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Post by: Silent Puffin?


Well I expect the box to be around £100 and it will probably have 4-6 Titans which should be convertable to both factions.

It should be at least not outrageously expensive. Possibly. Maybe.


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Post by: zedmeister


nevaks80 wrote:
I was at the weekender, I watched the games on both Friday and Saturday and I had a good talk with the designers, so I might be able to add some things. Lifting my self imposed forum exile to write this, because there's a lot of misinformation / omissions posted so far and I'm really excited about this game.


Thanks for that, I've add it to the OP and spoilered a few of the disputed or duplicate bits


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Going to expand on that I think.....

For my gaming circle, we can pretty much all afford to invest £300 into an army, and therefore a game.

But, when it comes to small scale games like AT and X-Wing, it either needs to be cheap, or seriously in depth (could of course be both. The two aren't mutually exclusive).

So, X-Wing. That's most definitely a cheap game. Online you pick up a fleet for a relative pittance. The game itself is quite a quick affair - so if you've got an evening to indulge you can get quite a few games in.

AT? Well, I think we can safely assume it's not going to be X-Wing cheap. And from the previews and reports, it's sounding like quite an in depth game. Here, I'm happy to shell out - because it seems I'll get suitable bang for my buck - a game will take a while to play. If it was as quick as an X-Wing dog fight, I might feel a little short changed.

But as always, YMMV.


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Post by: H.B.M.C.


I can't see it being any less than AUD$100 for a Warlord. The game just won't be playable at FW prices (and FW don't double the price for Aussies).


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Post by: zedmeister


More from M_R_Parker of B&C:

A really cool seminar going over the background of the Titanicus games (and the background of the Horus Heresy setting as well), looking at some of the older models and some of the promo shots and White Dwarf articles for the older iterations of the game (fun fact: back in the day the only way to get smoke effects into their shots was to use cigar smoke. Good to see Health & Safety wasn't always so overpowering...). We got a little insight into the new game, some of the background for it, what they're potentially including, and some insight into the modelling process for the new kits. Apparently someones been working on making the 40k scale Warlord into a AT scale and it's taken them around 2 to 3 months to complete. It's scaled so well that they've taken shots of the resultant models and without any reference for scale there's no way to determine which model is which. Apparently they're trying to do the same for the Reaver, but with it not being an existing CAD they're having to do things manually, which is a longer process.
The game itself seems like a lot of fun, and seems to scale incredibly well. Apparently it can go from a single Warlord on each side all the way to around 10 or so Titans on each side and the only real impact is the time required to play it. Plus it's not following the traditional Fantasy / 40k system of 'My turn, then Your turn' but each phase is a one action followed by the other players action, and so on until the turn is finished. This keeps the game flowing without you having nothing to do for about 10 minutes whilst your opponent has his turn. I think this will be a really good system to get into when it comes out - which is still not finalised. Because it's going out in GW stores it has to fight it's way into the main GW schedule, and apparently there's already a lot lined up for the next two years which is making Titanicus problematic to schedule.


I've bolded the last bit as it's worth thinking about - they wouldn't release a boxed starter set with Resin mini's, would they?


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Indeed....

Mayhap it's just thundered into the realm of broad affordability?


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Post by: BrookM


Plastic boxed game all the way for sure.


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Post by: Yodhrin


 Rayvon wrote:

The increased scale combined with resin titans seems to be prohibitive to many possible customers.

I think the choice of material used for the main forces could well make or break the game.

What was the reason given for not making them in 6mm ?
I cannot seem to remember..


Oh don't be so cynical, they gave us a great reason for shifting to 8mm - it's so the infantry models they're apparently not making and have explicitly stated they have no plans to make at the moment would look good.

Oh...

EDIT: Guys, the boxed set being in GW stores doesn't negate the existing rumour that the boxed set itself will consist only of rules, game aids, and building sprues. Look I'd love for this to be a mostly-plastic game, not least because it means I might actually be able to afford to particpate, but their first instinct was to go all-resin for the important stuff ie the actual Titan models, and the few bits of information that suggest they might be considering doing some in plastic have been pretty equivocal. Until we see either pics or utterly firm statements from GW that the main line Titans themselves will be plastic, it's safest to assume we'll be getting what was originally discussed.


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Post by: Warhams-77


What I had started to type yesterday but then decided it's time to get some sleep, the Warlords will be of a similiar quality detail-wise as the 28mm scale model. It took me a few weeks but I'm now okay to buy a model this good for let's say 70 GBP/100 EUR.

The problem I still have with it are all the weapon parts. These are what makes the titans expensive. I really hope they will release a plastic kit, eventually. My current plan is to buy the starter (which based on what they said in January will come with the full rulebook, including the campaign system and missions, dice, stat cards and plastic terrain) and use printed photos of titans which I will replace model for model later.

I appreciate good quality models and will pay for them, but it will always be game first, models second to me. And I still play Battletech occassionally with the papercard 'models' from 2nd Ed. It works and is enjoyable.




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Post by: Koppo


Voids do not work in melee - this might be expected.


Actually, if you are within 2" your attack is within the void shield (which will always be the case in melee) so you can run up to a titan, get within 2" and unload on them directly. I tried this with my warhound but the Reaver went 1st and blew me to kingdom come.

I got a wildfire death result which meant I shot all my guns as I died, alas this is in a random direction and I hit nothing.


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Post by: RoninXiC


Well... If this game actually comes out nice, there is even less reason to play 40k


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Post by: RiTides


Joyboozer wrote:
Thanks nevaks80, that all sounds like great news, especially the Bothans part (I hate bothans!)

Totally agreed . Thanks nevaks!!


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Post by: ulgurstasta


I would love to be excited about this, but GW continues to disappoint with unneeded scale changes.


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Post by: nevaks80


Is it really a scale change though? They've said on multiple occasions that they wanted to get it straight because there wasn't a standard scale before. Infantry were 6mm, but titans, vehicles and flyers were all different scales because of modeling / casting limitations.

So if they want to make stuff a standard scale, even staying at 6mm would have meant bigger titans. Or smaller infantry. They were going to upset people either way.


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Post by: Kijamon


Just home from the weekender. Certainly didn't get the vibe that many have here.

I think we'll maybe get a core box set in plastic, if GW can have their arm twisted to produce it.

I think any titans on top or upgrades are likely to be resin though.

I asked about the command slates and if they would come in the box with a new titan or if you would buy them seperately, they hadn't come to a conclusion but I suggested in the box would be best.

Also, the playtester told me that a warlord with two power fists is hilarious.


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Post by: zedmeister


Probably that its shooting is lacklustre, but don't let it get near you



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Post by: Kirasu


Looks like a really fun game.. hopefully I remember to play it in 2021.


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Post by: Vermis


nevaks80 wrote:
So if they want to make stuff a standard scale, even staying at 6mm would have meant bigger titans.


So why not stick to 6mm then?

Bigger titans are fine. I was aware of Epic vehicles being out of scale, and I switched to the DiD stalker, which is a fair bit bigger than the Lucius warlord. (The model that hooked me on Epic) Even if they do just stick to a handful of titan models, I'm with Elbows: the 8mm scale change seems like it's to mess with the people who supported Epic after GW (and all the players who can't do without GW's say-so ) dumped it.


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Post by: angelofvengeance


 ulgurstasta wrote:
I would love to be excited about this, but GW continues to disappoint with unneeded scale changes.


If they can achieve better model sculpts at 8mm than 6mm, then I'm all for it IMO.


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Post by: zedmeister


 Vermis wrote:
the 8mm scale change seems like it's to mess with the people who supported Epic after GW (and all the players who can't do without GW's say-so ) dumped it.


Most likely to render old collections out of scale. However, I've also heard (from an 214th hand source, so apply skepticism) that GW are aware of various Epic model garage casters and are changing the scale to scupper them so it sounds like a two-for-one affair...


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Post by: Kirasu


You assume that GW understands what scale is :p 40k/AoS scales are wildly different nowadays on a random basis it seems.


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Post by: Kijamon


 Alpharius wrote:
Hilarious...how?


As in you'll not do much shooting but people will hate being near you.

Also ursax claws were in and I asked if the game is basically over once your main princeps guy dies (essentially you are that guy). They didn't think it was necessarily over at that point but you would lose some benefits.


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Post by: Vorian


Changing the scale is completely understandable.

Why bother releasing stuff that lots of your target audience is likely to have lying around in boxes somewhere? It does them absolutely no good to give people rules to play with things they bought off them decades ago.

In my eyes it's a totally new product that looks like it'll be entertaining and will have great models. Hopefully there is enough plastic and they use it for the key titans so they can build enough of a playerbase to make it sustainable


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Post by: Mr Morden


I'd love them to produce the rules in a similar style and qaulity to the Aeroatutica rule books - they were lovely.


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Post by: Warhams-77


Regarding the 8mm. FW scaled the Warlord and other titans to a size they considered good for modelling, painting and playing. Then they used what measures they found regarding Titan sizes and scaled 'infantry' (whatever that means - Orks? IG? Marines?) accordingly, ending up with ~8 mm for an infantry model. It is not even certain there will be models for these anyway.

Also if you take your 6mm Epic infantry models and set them near an item that size of the mini-titan below it will look fantastic and fits the artwork we know for years



Seriously it does





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Post by: RiTides


Yeah, every time I hear the angst about scale, I pull up that image and remind myself that this is going to be fething awesome

Seriously people, I know that wasn't necessarily the final model, but if it IS the size shown in that pic, or close to it... I will be over the moon happy!!

What base size would you say that Warlord is on, dreadnought (60mm) base?



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Post by: Alpharius


Changing the scale isn't going to stop groups who have a bunch of the old stuff from...using their old stuff with the new rules - if they even need to do that!

One of my BIGGEST regrets was selling off all of my old SPACE MARINE and TITAN LEGIONS stuff - they were by far my favorite GW games...



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Post by: zedmeister


 Alpharius wrote:
One of my BIGGEST regrets was selling off all of my old SPACE MARINE and TITAN LEGIONS stuff - they were by far my favorite GW games...


If it makes you feel any better, I am currently flogging off my 3rd and 4th edition Epic collection to ... make room for this!

The modern Titan's are just too gorgeous to ignore and the new ruleset far too intriguing


Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 15:34:34


Post by: angelofvengeance


Quick question- when is this version of Titanicus set? Last one was Armageddon wasn't it?


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Post by: zedmeister


 angelofvengeance wrote:
Quick question- when is this version of Titanicus set? Last one was Armageddon wasn't it?


Horus Heresy, so all the way back to 1st Edition. Sounds like they are planning Titan Death on Beta Garmon as part of the Heresy series. It'll be in a Black Book format like the current heresy series


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Post by: Warhams-77


Codex Titanicus and some of the 2nd Edition rulebooks are such good material, I hope they will release Apocrypha copies (less blur please) of these soon so they will be in circulation again.

Some art with Titans and infantry

Spoiler:







Even Marines are tiny in comparison




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Adeptus Titanicus Review - Part 1 - Command Panel

Today's post is about Adeptus Titanicus and the demo game I played in on the Saturday night of the weekender.

Specialist Games were in force at the Horus Heresy Weekender 2017 to discus the new Adeptus Titanicus Rules.  I brought my own titan up, the Reaver Titan "Bellator Ferrum" from Legio Tempestus, to join in the battle.  The Loyalist team outnumbered the Traitors, so "Bellator Ferrum" joined the traitor faction of Tempestus for the evening.  This game was run by James Hewitt, the games designer.  This series of post will give a detailed flavour of the rules.

The Command Panel

The command panel is where it is all at in Adeptus Titanicus.



Starting in the top left, we have the order space.  The orders on the right go here, but more on orders later.

Command - This is the number the titan has to roll to above to get receive orders. 
Ballistic Skill - This is the value you have to roll on a D6 to hit without modifiers.
Speed - This has two values, the first is the normal speed.  The second is when you decide to push extra reactor power to the legs.
Weapon Skill - This is the value you have to roll on a D6 to hit in close combat without modifiers.
Manoeuvre - The number of turns a titan can make.  This has two values, the first is the normal numbers of turns.  The second is when you decide to push extra reactor power to the legs to get additional turns.
Servitor Clades - This is the amount of dice you roll in the repair phase.

The box to the right is the power and shields console.  The top line is the amount of output the titans reactor can put out.  This is currency to boost actions like moves and turns.  Shields can be boosted to allow you to re-rolled failed saves.  Some weapons like plasma weapons can be overcharged using power.  The largest lasers must be powered up to fire.  A warning on this is if you are in the orange or red, you need to roll to see if bad things happen.  The bottom line is the number of shields your titan currently has.

The box directly beneath these is the structure console.  This has three sections for Head, Body, and Legs.  The round circles on the left are the armour.  The three linked circles on the left are the structural section.  This box is important as its not possible to repair the things in this box.

The boxes at the bottom are the weapons.  I didn't get a good look at the Warhound console, but i assume its has two weapons.  Arm Weapons are in a 90 degree arc to the front. The Reaver carapace weapon is 360 Degree arc.  The Warlord carapace is a fixed forward fire.  When weapons are destroyed, the card is flipped over.  Additional damage would then be rolled as the damage then can flash back into the Titan.

That is it for today, tune in for another instalment soon.





Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 16:42:14


Post by: MeanGreenStompa




Always liked the cutie on the right.


Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 16:49:18


Post by: Heartland


 Alpharius wrote:

One of my BIGGEST regrets was selling off all of my old SPACE MARINE and TITAN LEGIONS stuff - they were by far my favorite GW games...


They were splendid games!
Luckily have my stuff stashed away, barring a Mega-Gargant that got trashed for bits. Oh, the Imperator may have had his legs snapped by my three-year old a few years back...the horror...

Must say this new version sounds good, even though the big infantry and tanks battles were the main Epic draw and coolness factor for me.


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Post by: zedmeister




Ta for that, I'll add it to the OP shortly. Looks like the Warlord (scale Magnificus!) is 385 points + weapons. Reaver is 250. Assuming a 1,500 point game, a fully armed Warlord and 2 Reavers will probably be around 1,000 points. Stick in 2 Warhounds and a bunch Knights to finish off the Maniple. That's assuming 1,500 is the average game size...


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Post by: Chairman Aeon


Here's a pic of 15(18)mm, 8mm and 6mm:
http://www.boki.ee/Miniature_Sculpting/C00004/SP012.jpg

The discussion about why 8mm over 6mm here:
http://perfectsixps.proboards.com/thread/31/boki-wargame-miniatures?page=6

I think when you get to CAD stuff it makes even more of a difference, in a good way.


Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 17:50:31


Post by: Vermis


zedmeister wrote:Most likely to render old collections out of scale.


Vorian wrote:Changing the scale is completely understandable.

Why bother releasing stuff that lots of your target audience is likely to have lying around in boxes somewhere? It does them absolutely no good to give people rules to play with things they bought off them decades ago.


That last line assumes that they're only trying to sell to people who bought stuff before Specialist Games got flushed, let alone decades ago. How many years ago was that?

And if it's being sold as a boxed starter, containing all the necessary cards 'n' tokens (TBH I'd need to go back and read any details about that) and the models are that good, then titanheads are likely to buy it anyway.

You might as well say, why bother releasing rules that your target audience is likely to have lying around? Y'know, that handful of people who still have a copy of the original AT rules squirrelled away somewhere?

The rumour and inference about GW purposefully hobbling 6mm sellers gets me salty, too. It's like... GW had their chance. Re-releasing in 6mm would be one thing, and innocent enough; but 8mm feels petty, because they only just realised that they shouldn't have given it up years ago. Like someone giving you a hand-me-down car, coming back years later to slash your tyres.

Warhams-77 wrote:Regarding the 8mm. FW scaled the Warlord and other titans to a size they considered good for modelling, painting and playing.


Because previous titans... weren't?

Also if you take your 6mm Epic infantry models and set them near an item that size of the mini-titan below it will look fantastic


Because previous titans... didn't?

Spoiler:


Seriously it does


Http needs an s before I can see it on dakka.

Alpharius wrote:Changing the scale isn't going to stop groups who have a bunch of the old stuff from...using their old stuff with the new rules - if they even need to do that!


True. But when I see people acting as if they couldn't use their old stuff at all, or this:

zedmeister wrote:If it makes you feel any better, I am currently flogging off my 3rd and 4th edition Epic collection to ... make room for this!

The modern Titan's are just too gorgeous to ignore and the new ruleset far too intriguing


Why is it an either/or situation?

I don't mean to go on like a grumpy old grognard. Well, maybe I do. But I also see some leaps of logic - some not so bad, some considerable - that raise my eyebrows. Some arguments I can only put down to justifications for shiny mini syndrome, when, to be honest, shiny mini syndrome is a better justification in itself. No arguments here if the modern titans are too gorgeous to resist. It's the baggage that comes with them, the 8mm shift, officialitis, and so on.


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Post by: Stevefamine


Can't wait. I'm ready to dump a few hundred into this as soon as I can preorder. I was too young to play Epic and I have no local battletech or net epic players near me

I'm nearly $1000 deep into the my table for DZC (an 8mm resin city). Once we get a full rules leak I'll start playing with battletech models and testing this out. 2017 is going to be unbelievable with the new releases



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Post by: zedmeister


 Vermis wrote:

Why is it an either/or situation?

I don't mean to go on like a grumpy old grognard. Well, maybe I do. But I also see some leaps of logic - some not so bad, some considerable - that raise my eyebrows. Some arguments I can only put down to justifications for shiny mini syndrome, when, to be honest, shiny mini syndrome is a better justification in itself. No arguments here if the modern titans are too gorgeous to resist. It's the baggage that comes with them, the 8mm shift, officialitis, and so on.


Well, my drive to flog off my collection comes as part of a wider clear out of my collection, I'm keeping 1st and 2nd edition epic for nostalgia value. 3rd and 4th don't hold that attraction for me and they've all been sat, unassembled in boxes, for years. So, I use the new edition as an excuse to purge old models that, frankly, I'll never paint. I need to be brutal.


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Post by: judgedoug


James Hewitt is the main designer?

I just went from zero interest to a fair amount of interest.


Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 18:09:36


Post by: Alpharius


1st and 2nd were great, and while I wasn't a fan of 3rd and 4th in terms of rules, some of the models were fantastic - especially for the tanks and super-heavies.

Some of the Titans though?

Best to NEVER speak and certainly NEVER show the abomination that was the re-done Eldar Phantom Titan...

Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE HORROR!


Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 18:13:05


Post by: judgedoug


There was a reason the E3 Phantom was discontinued shortly after it was released, and the original Phantom and Warlorck titans rereleased for E4 (and we got new awesome Revenant sculpts)


Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 18:37:42


Post by: Elbows


 Alpharius wrote:
1st and 2nd were great, and while I wasn't a fan of 3rd and 4th in terms of rules, some of the models were fantastic - especially for the tanks and super-heavies.

Some of the Titans though?

Best to NEVER speak and certainly NEVER show the abomination that was the re-done Eldar Phantom Titan...

Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE HORROR!


I was actually going to ask on another forum who that designer was. That "era" of Epic had a lot of "his" (mystery person) work in it...and it was almost universally terrible. For those wondering, this is the abomination - yep, I'm going there.



Followed by this similar abomination:


Designed by someone who'd never seen anything in the Warhammer 40K and had obviously never heard of Eldar - also, sadly, this person was limited to straight lines and triangles for design work. Simply...beyond terrible. So who was the criminal behind this garbage? I imagine it's the same guy behind the admittedly "okay" Warlord Titan because they share a lot of the same - straight lines EVERYWHERE approach.


Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 18:39:53


Post by: judgedoug


Yeah, I never got those "strutwork" Eldar titans because of how awful the designs were. And I only got three of the E3 Warlords, because I wanted a battlegroup of them, and I own at least three of the E2.5 metal Warlords in addition to the 50 or so plastic beetleback Warlords.


Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 19:06:56


Post by: zedmeister


Dave Andrews was the sculptor I believe. No idea who produced the original concept art.

I remember selling those off with a larger batch about a year ago. Got next to nothing for them.


Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 19:10:14


Post by: Elbows


I just realized...the Revenant is wearing Rhino-Skates. That's awesome.


Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 19:15:08


Post by: RiTides


Yes yes, there's a reason we're all looking forward to updated titans


Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 19:34:16


Post by: krazynadechukr


They play tested the (8mm) game in 40k scale!

[Thumb - Forge-World_The-Adeptus-Titanicus-Weekender-Preview-5.jpg]


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Post by: RiTides


Were there no knights in the game played during the weekender (with the "smallest" model being a Warhound?) or are they just not visible in that pic?

 Stevefamine wrote:
...my table for DZC (an 8mm resin city). Once we get a full rules leak I'll start playing with battletech models and testing this out. 2017 is going to be unbelievable with the new releases

I Love your P&M blog, and that table you're working on is going to be perfect for Adeptus Titanicus

Link to the awesomeness:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/701705.page





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Post by: krazynadechukr


 RiTides wrote:
Were there no knights in the game played during the weekender (with the "smallest" model being a Warhound?) or are they just not visible in that pic?

 Stevefamine wrote:
...my table for DZC (an 8mm resin city). Once we get a full rules leak I'll start playing with battletech models and testing this out. 2017 is going to be unbelievable with the new releases

I Love your P&M blog, and that table you're working on is going to be perfect for Adeptus Titanicus

Link to the awesomeness:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/701705.page



all I got (off another site)

[Thumb - Forge-World_The-Adeptus-Titanicus-Weekender-Preview-6.jpg]
[Thumb - Forge-World_The-Adeptus-Titanicus-Weekender-Preview-7.jpg]


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Post by: notprop


From the description it sounds like the system is an expansion on the original Adeptus Titanicus rules. This is a good thing.

The scale, meh make he titans nice enough and not too dear and I'm there.


Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 20:12:26


Post by: Silent Puffin?


Getting excited over the scale is a little bit premature at this stage.

Infantry and vehicles may never be made and even if they are Epic has always been flexible with what '6mm scale' actually means.

Those big datapad things can't be in the actual game surely?


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Post by: zedmeister


 Silent Puffin? wrote:

Those big datapad things can't be in the actual game surely?


Doubt it. Reckon they'd do something like the BFG roster pad or some kind of builder using cards and dice.


Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 20:19:55


Post by: Nostromodamus


Can't wait to rebuild my old Legio Mortis force from back in the day. Game sounds incredible!


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Post by: Theophony


 zedmeister wrote:
 Silent Puffin? wrote:

Those big datapad things can't be in the actual game surely?


Doubt it. Reckon they'd do something like the BFG roster pad or some kind of builder using cards and dice.


Be cool to have an iPad or other mobile device app to use with the game though


Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 20:45:33


Post by: Vermis


 Elbows wrote:


I was actually going to ask on another forum who that designer was. That "era" of Epic had a lot of "his" (mystery person) work in it...and it was almost universally terrible. For those wondering, this is the abomination - yep, I'm going there.



Followed by this similar abomination:


Designed by someone who'd never seen anything in the Warhammer 40K and had obviously never heard of Eldar - also, sadly, this person was limited to straight lines and triangles for design work. Simply...beyond terrible. So who was the criminal behind this garbage? I imagine it's the same guy behind the admittedly "okay" Warlord Titan because they share a lot of the same - straight lines EVERYWHERE approach.


Aitch-tee-tee-pee-essing images...

I guess Epic 40K was the battletech era? As said, I liked the look with the last squared warlord - the first I'd seen, and frankly looking a lot better than the ol' fisher-price beetlebacks. The updated FW beetlebacks will look far, far better too, IMO. But yeah, it's a look that does nothing for eldar.

Though on that note, I didn't think much of the old FW reaver titans, either. They seemed to just square off the original reaver design, without adding any of the aesthetic that made the warlord and warhound work.


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Post by: Koppo


 Silent Puffin? wrote:


Those big datapad things can't be in the actual game surely?


Yes, but not that size. The plan is to have holes for pegs to mark damage etc. Many people suggested an iPad app. If they can justify enough purchases then the digital team may do one.


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Post by: Dryaktylus


 Elbows wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
1st and 2nd were great, and while I wasn't a fan of 3rd and 4th in terms of rules, some of the models were fantastic - especially for the tanks and super-heavies.

Some of the Titans though?

Best to NEVER speak and certainly NEVER show the abomination that was the re-done Eldar Phantom Titan...

Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE HORROR!


I was actually going to ask on another forum who that designer was. That "era" of Epic had a lot of "his" (mystery person) work in it...and it was almost universally terrible. For those wondering, this is the abomination - yep, I'm going there.

Spoiler:


Followed by this similar abomination:
Spoiler:


Designed by someone who'd never seen anything in the Warhammer 40K and had obviously never heard of Eldar - also, sadly, this person was limited to straight lines and triangles for design work. Simply...beyond terrible. So who was the criminal behind this garbage? I imagine it's the same guy behind the admittedly "okay" Warlord Titan because they share a lot of the same - straight lines EVERYWHERE approach.


They were really terrible for Eldar titans, but not that bad per se. Use (and maybe convert) them for Imperium, Necrons or Chaos (Tzeentch or Slaanesh) and they're fine.


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Post by: Mr_Rose


The thing is, with those "Eldar" Titans, the overall shape might have been passable if the "struts" were scribed panel lines instead, but what can never be forgiven are those … those… ugh… pistons, like something a mon-keigh would come up with and think it artful.


Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 21:02:54


Post by: Joyboozer


Tin data sheet with magnetic cards and tokens would be an industry leading move!


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Post by: Silent Puffin?


 Vermis wrote:
a? As said, I liked the look with the last squared warlord - the first I'd seen, and frankly looking a lot better than the ol' fisher-price beetlebacks.


This monstrosity?


Its hideous.....The first metal Warlord was much better.


Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 21:13:30


Post by: Dryaktylus


 Silent Puffin? wrote:
 Vermis wrote:
a? As said, I liked the look with the last squared warlord - the first I'd seen, and frankly looking a lot better than the ol' fisher-price beetlebacks.


This monstrosity?
Spoiler:


Its hideous.....The first metal Warlord was much better.


I guess with "last" he meant the one for Epic 40k. And IIRC the one in the pic is the first metal Warlord (2nd edition).


Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 21:15:53


Post by: Thargrim


My least favorite titan of the modern bunch is the reaver, the head looks squashed and insect like. I much prefer the knightly, helmeted look of the huge warlord and even the basic imperial knight. Or titans that look like enormous walking castles. But it looks like they are bringing that ugly reaver into the game...oh well. Even a simple head swap on that thing could improve it a bit.



Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Plastic Titans - James Hewitt AMA extracts @ 2017/02/06 21:18:14


Post by: whalemusic360


Looking forward to getting baby versions of my full sized Titans. I think a dreadnought sized warlord seems fine. It would put a knight about an inch or inch and a half. A full scale knight doesnt even come to the knee of a warlord.



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Post by: em_en_oh_pee


 whalemusic360 wrote:
Looking forward to getting baby versions of my full sized Titans. I think a dreadnought sized warlord seems fine. It would put a knight about an inch or inch and a half. A full scale knight doesnt even come to the knee of a warlord.



....wow. Hadn't really seen this comparison and that is just staggering. Sheesh.

On an aside, I can't wait for this game. I love the scale change - now painting them will be much more rewarding than the smaller scale alternative.


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Post by: Dryaktylus


 Thargrim wrote:
My least favorite titan of the modern bunch is the reaver, the head looks squashed and insect like. I much prefer the knightly, helmeted look of the huge warlord and even the basic imperial knight. Or titans that look like enormous walking castles. But it looks like they are bringing that ugly reaver into the game...oh well. Even a simple head swap on that thing could improve it a bit.



Matter of taste (I like it), but the design is hardly 'modern'. The Reaver whith the 'mantis head' was released in 1988 (there was another option that I didn't like - it was used for the Armorcast/Epicast/? model).


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Post by: RiTides


I also really dislike the Reaver - maybe they can design some cool alternates, but it doesn't hold a candle to the other FW models for me: Cerastus-style Knights, Warhound, and the Warlord...


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Post by: Tamereth


I find it really odd that they have a fully playable version of the game, complete with fully art finished data cards for the titans, but we haven't seen a single preview for the models, not even a CAD render.

GW have always worked the other way around in the past, making models first then coming up with rules to use them with.

As someone that still plays AT about once a year, I feel oddly underwhelmed by everything about this so far. Maybe pretty new titans models will start the hype train.


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Post by: Thargrim


 Dryaktylus wrote:
 Thargrim wrote:
My least favorite titan of the modern bunch is the reaver, the head looks squashed and insect like. I much prefer the knightly, helmeted look of the huge warlord and even the basic imperial knight. Or titans that look like enormous walking castles. But it looks like they are bringing that ugly reaver into the game...oh well. Even a simple head swap on that thing could improve it a bit.



Matter of taste (I like it), but the design is hardly 'modern'. The Reaver whith the 'mantis head' was released in 1988 (there was another option that I didn't like - it was used for the Armorcast/Epicast/? model).


Hmm, maybe thats why it looks odd next to the knights and warlord...its based off a retro 1980s design and hasn't changed much since. I don't hate the design...I just don't look at it and think in my head wow that looks badarse...which is the opposite of how I feel about some of the others.

If this does become a hit, I would love to see them do eldar titans with wraithbone styled datasheets next as those are a sleek contrast to the slower bulk of the imperial titans. I do find it odd we haven't seen any models for this yet...I thought someone asked and they said some models are completed already.


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Post by: RiTides


 Tamereth wrote:
I find it really odd that they have a fully playable version of the game, complete with fully art finished data cards for the titans, but we haven't seen a single preview for the models, not even a CAD render.

Tamereth, on the CAD, that's probably because these are just the larger models scaled down for the most part... but yeah, I was Really hoping to see some physical models in the Weekender coverage. Next time, I guess!

When would the next one be, by the way?


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Post by: AegisGrimm


 Elbows wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
1st and 2nd were great, and while I wasn't a fan of 3rd and 4th in terms of rules, some of the models were fantastic - especially for the tanks and super-heavies.

Some of the Titans though?

Best to NEVER speak and certainly NEVER show the abomination that was the re-done Eldar Phantom Titan...

Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE HORROR!


I was actually going to ask on another forum who that designer was. That "era" of Epic had a lot of "his" (mystery person) work in it...and it was almost universally terrible. For those wondering, this is the abomination - yep, I'm going there.



Followed by this similar abomination:


Designed by someone who'd never seen anything in the Warhammer 40K and had obviously never heard of Eldar - also, sadly, this person was limited to straight lines and triangles for design work. Simply...beyond terrible. So who was the criminal behind this garbage? I imagine it's the same guy behind the admittedly "okay" Warlord Titan because they share a lot of the same - straight lines EVERYWHERE approach.


On the plus side, I bought three of the new Phantoms back then to make into Necron dreadnought-sized constructs for 40K, and they would probably make good Necron titans, too.


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Post by: MeanGreenStompa


for the love of Gods I'd erased those from memory... =(


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Post by: Eumerin


 Thargrim wrote:

If this does become a hit, I would love to see them do eldar titans with wraithbone styled datasheets next as those are a sleek contrast to the slower bulk of the imperial titans. I do find it odd we haven't seen any models for this yet...I thought someone asked and they said some models are completed already.


It's probably too much to hope for (since there's been no hint of it in the knight-style 40K releases). But a reissue of the Bright Stallion would be awesome.



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Post by: H.B.M.C.


Joyboozer wrote:
Tin data sheet with magnetic cards and tokens would be an industry leading move!


So expect an Android app with a real-money store to buy more equipment cards or orders or whatever.


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Post by: lasgunpacker


Cautiously excited for this game, but I really wish they had gone the other way with the scale... 3mm sized infantry might be tiny, but when you are talking about skyscraper sized titans and building sized tanks, it really just makes sense.

£300 to play a sort of detailed duel game is less appealing than pushing huge armies of lead.


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Post by: Vermis


Dryaktylus wrote:

I guess with "last" he meant the one for Epic 40k.


Indeedly-doodly. This one.

Spoiler:


I still want to know how the 'Dictatio escaped...

Tamereth wrote:I find it really odd that they have a fully playable version of the game, complete with fully art finished data cards for the titans, but we haven't seen a single preview for the models, not even a CAD render.


Aye, noticed that. I assumed it'd be like that epic-scale version of the 28mm warlord they showed off a while ago.


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Post by: Padre


 MeanGreenStompa wrote:


Always liked the cutie on the right.


Ditto...I have a vague memory of that being another Emperor-class variant (just never released).

On a side note, wasn't there a rumor that came out fairly recently, of FW introducing new and different Titan classes and patterns? Would love to see that...


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Post by: Jehan-reznor


 AegisGrimm wrote:
Spoiler:
 Elbows wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
1st and 2nd were great, and while I wasn't a fan of 3rd and 4th in terms of rules, some of the models were fantastic - especially for the tanks and super-heavies.

Some of the Titans though?

Best to NEVER speak and certainly NEVER show the abomination that was the re-done Eldar Phantom Titan...

Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE HORROR!


I was actually going to ask on another forum who that designer was. That "era" of Epic had a lot of "his" (mystery person) work in it...and it was almost universally terrible. For those wondering, this is the abomination - yep, I'm going there.



Followed by this similar abomination:


Designed by someone who'd never seen anything in the Warhammer 40K and had obviously never heard of Eldar - also, sadly, this person was limited to straight lines and triangles for design work. Simply...beyond terrible. So who was the criminal behind this garbage? I imagine it's the same guy behind the admittedly "okay" Warlord Titan because they share a lot of the same - straight lines EVERYWHERE approach.


On the plus side, I bought three of the new Phantoms back then to make into Necron dreadnought-sized constructs for 40K, and they would probably make good Necron titans, too.


Yeah those designs made no sense, wonder who designed those.

The size is not the issue, but affordability is if i have to pay 6000 yen ($60) to add a (reaver) Titan, i am quickly done with the game, it is a quick way to kill a specialist game by making the add on's too expensive.
And with the advancement in plastic extrusion technique, they could get the same quality on the old scale


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Post by: DrRansom


The thing which gets me about the current plans for AT is the total lack of tanks. Forgeworld has released a great many vehicles for the Horus Heresy series, great Mechanicus warmachines and brand new Space Marine super heavies. No player could own enough tanks to feel like a real armor commander, much less field the variety which Forgeworld has released.

So, I'd really like a tank addition to the game. That'd allow the more average person to field the 30K tanks in large enough numbers to approach some of the big battles.


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Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 judgedoug wrote:
I own at least three of the E2.5 metal Warlords in addition to the 50 or so plastic beetleback Warlords.


Slow clap...



Pics?


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Post by: timd


 Padre wrote:


Ditto...I have a vague memory of that being another Emperor-class variant (just never released).


Those are some of Jes' concept drawings for AT; two Reavers, cut away and a Warlord. Designs changed before the game came out.
Am somewhat sad that we never saw a mini of that Warlord.

T


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Post by: Padre


That is a Warlord, eh? I agree - a model of that would have been brilliant.


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Post by: MajorWesJanson


 Vermis wrote:


I still want to know how the 'Dictatio escaped...


I wish they had printed Book IV in consolidated form. I have like 7 of the issues of WHM that include it, but am missing some parts.


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Post by: Kid_Kyoto


That mystery titan is from the original AT rules and IIRC was called an Emperor Titan.

I've never heard of a model being made.

Bigger picture from Jes Goodwin's Gothic and Eldrich book





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Post by: H.B.M.C.


It's actually not that big, based on that pic.


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Post by: elaverick


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
That mystery titan is from the original AT rules and IIRC was called an Emperor Titan.

I've never heard of a model being made.

Bigger picture from Jes Goodwin's Gothic and Eldrich book





Isn't it this chap - http://www.solegends.com/citcat2005spc/c2005spcp0035-01.htm
The Imperial Class Battle Titan?


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Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Emperor Titans were the class bigger than Warlords. Several years later GW made the Imperiator (cathedral head) and later Fanatic had the Warmonger.

'Imperial' titans is any titan the Imperium uses.


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Post by: tneva82


 Vermis wrote:

The rumour and inference about GW purposefully hobbling 6mm sellers gets me salty, too. It's like... GW had their chance. Re-releasing in 6mm would be one thing, and innocent enough; but 8mm feels petty, because they only just realised that they shouldn't have given it up years ago. Like someone giving you a hand-me-down car, coming back years later to slash your tyres.


Well luckily with titans true scale is bigger deal and you can play with older titans easily enough. Infantry etc are more of a bummer but since no new epic with infantry no biggie.


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Post by: Apologist


As I understand it, there are broad classes: Emperor Titans, Battle Titans, Scout Titans (and presumably others); and then subsets of these.

For example, both Warlord Titans and Reaver Titans are Battle Titans. The Emperor Class included the Imperator (the plastic one you got in the later boxed version of Adeptus Titanicus) and the Warmonger (a conversion kit for the same model).

Within these subsets are further divisions – the Warlord could be an Eclipse, Death-Bringer etc.

I think the nomenclature's always been a bit vague. I read somewhere that the Eclipse, Death-Bringer etc. were originally intended to be different models (i.e. not Warlord variants, but completely different figures), but budget/tech constraints left them as simple weapon loadout variants.


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Post by: Das_Ubermike


 Jehan-reznor wrote:
 AegisGrimm wrote:
Spoiler:
 Elbows wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
1st and 2nd were great, and while I wasn't a fan of 3rd and 4th in terms of rules, some of the models were fantastic - especially for the tanks and super-heavies.

Some of the Titans though?

Best to NEVER speak and certainly NEVER show the abomination that was the re-done Eldar Phantom Titan...

Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE HORROR!


I was actually going to ask on another forum who that designer was. That "era" of Epic had a lot of "his" (mystery person) work in it...and it was almost universally terrible. For those wondering, this is the abomination - yep, I'm going there.



Followed by this similar abomination:


Designed by someone who'd never seen anything in the Warhammer 40K and had obviously never heard of Eldar - also, sadly, this person was limited to straight lines and triangles for design work. Simply...beyond terrible. So who was the criminal behind this garbage? I imagine it's the same guy behind the admittedly "okay" Warlord Titan because they share a lot of the same - straight lines EVERYWHERE approach.


On the plus side, I bought three of the new Phantoms back then to make into Necron dreadnought-sized constructs for 40K, and they would probably make good Necron titans, too.


Yeah those designs made no sense, wonder who designed those.

The size is not the issue, but affordability is if i have to pay 6000 yen ($60) to add a (reaver) Titan, i am quickly done with the game, it is a quick way to kill a specialist game by making the add on's too expensive.
And with the advancement in plastic extrusion technique, they could get the same quality on the old scale


I'm pretty sure they were designed by Dave Andrews, who was on the B-team of Citadel sculptors along with Aly/Trish Morrison and Gary Morley. Not exactly prestigious company to keep.


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Post by: MarkNorfolk


Intresting to compare the Reaver and the Warlord control sheets there. Do we have any idea what a knight profile looks like in this game. I wonder if lesser models get a one line profile or a unit gets a control sheet....

Cheers
Mark


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Post by: Dryaktylus


Das_Ubermike wrote:

I'm pretty sure they were designed by Dave Andrews, who was on the B-team of Citadel sculptors along with Aly/Trish Morrison and Gary Morley. Not exactly prestigious company to keep.


I don't think you know Dave Andrews' work for GW very well.


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Post by: Grot 6


Amybody play this in 32mm, yet with the large scale knights and titans?


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Post by: Crimson


I haven't played the previous editions so I really have no idea how this game works.

People talk about the price, but one important question relating to that is how many models you actually need to play. Is the game fun with just, say six knight titans and three bigger titans per side? Do knights form squads or do all models operate on their own?


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Oh and is there any word whether there will be eldar titans at some point?




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Post by: Jehan-reznor


 Crimson wrote:
I haven't played the previous editions so I really have no idea how this game works.

People talk about the price, but one important question relating to that is how many models you actually need to play. Is the game fun with just, say six knight titans and three bigger titans per side? Do knights form squads or do all models operate on their own?


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Oh and is there any word whether there will be eldar titans at some point?




I think that is a point is moot, because, X-wing takes only a few models to play, Warmahordes only takes a few models to play, and still people seem to amass huge collections of armies.
Entry level price needs to be reasonable, the original Adeptus mechanicus came with 6 warlord titans and buildings and lots of weapon choices.


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Post by: H.B.M.C.


Whereas a resin Warlord from FW is likely to cost an arm and a leg, and certainly not something people can buy into as an 'entry cost'.


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Post by: Crimson


 Jehan-reznor wrote:

I think that is a point is moot, because, X-wing takes only a few models to play, Warmahordes only takes a few models to play, and still people seem to amass huge collections of armies.
Entry level price needs to be reasonable, the original Adeptus mechanicus came with 6 warlord titans and buildings and lots of weapon choices.

Sure, many people will collect massive armies whether it is needed or not, but when we're talking about entry cost, then it means the cost of the smallest reasonable army.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Whereas a resin Warlord from FW is likely to cost an arm and a leg, and certainly not something people can buy into as an 'entry cost'.


Right. But if the Warlord is your big centrepiece model of which you reasonably need only one, the price is much less of problem than in a situation where a reasonable army needs to have five of them.


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In any case, I hope most of these models will be available in plastic. Not only because of the price, but because plastic is nicer to work with.



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Post by: DrRansom


If the warlord is approximately the size of a dreadnaught, then based on Forgeworld pricing, I expect ~80 GBP per Warlord. At that price point and with a Titan force requiring ~6 titans, I suspect around 300 - 400 GBP per army. That is a steep requirement for a specialist game with uncertain local following.


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Post by: RiTides


It won't be that price in plastic, though...


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Post by: Elbows


You used to be able to field quite a few titans and a ton of knights back in the day...so if the scale of the engagement is similar, yeah you're looking at something super pricey.


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Post by: DrRansom


I thought that the plastic rumors were all but shut down from last weekend?

Plastic Warhounds and Reavers would go a far way in making the game affordable, but no information points to that now.


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Post by: RiTides


I thought there were plenty of plastic rumours swirling - I guess we'll have to wait and see a bit...


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Post by: Silent Puffin?


DrRansom wrote:
If the warlord is approximately the size of a dreadnaught, then based on Forgeworld pricing, I expect ~80 GBP per Warlord. At that price point and with a Titan force requiring ~6 titans, I suspect around 300 - 400 GBP per army. That is a steep requirement for a specialist game with uncertain local following.


I wouldn't expect the price to be that high. A resin Warlord will probably be around the £50-60 mark but I would be very surprised if there weren't plastic Warlord and Reaver.


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Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Crimson wrote:
Right. But if the Warlord is your big centrepiece model of which you reasonably need only one, the price is much less of problem than in a situation where a reasonable army needs to have five of them.
Two things with that:

1. Not much of a titan brawl if the idea is you bring one Warlord. Remember the original AT had 3 per side as a starter.
2. I don't trust FW to not make their tiny Reavers cost almost as much, and the Warhounds to be nearly worth their weight in at least silver.

Epic and GW have never been good bedfellows when it comes to price. When they were still selling Epic 40K/Epic Armageddon stuff the prices were out of this world for stuff so tiny. What faith should we have that Forge World, which is still GW, won't do any different?




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Post by: tneva82


 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I think that is a point is moot, because, X-wing takes only a few models to play, Warmahordes only takes a few models to play, and still people seem to amass huge collections of armies.
Entry level price needs to be reasonable, the original Adeptus mechanicus came with 6 warlord titans and buildings and lots of weapon choices.


Warmahordes might require as bare minimum small amount of models but then again you can technically start 40k army with ~11 models...In practice Warmahorde requires lots of infantry and if you want to go to tournaments you basically need 2+ casters which in practice means different units.

I once made calculation of real world tournament armies for FB/40k/Warmahordes and found out to my surprise they were more or less identical in euros. Model wise FB had most, 40k 2nd and WM had least models. Albeit WM had more variety though as it was multiple army lists to choose from.


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Post by: Mymearan


DrRansom wrote:
If the warlord is approximately the size of a dreadnaught, then based on Forgeworld pricing, I expect ~80 GBP per Warlord. At that price point and with a Titan force requiring ~6 titans, I suspect around 300 - 400 GBP per army. That is a steep requirement for a specialist game with uncertain local following.


From what I've read an 8mm Warlord should be about Knight size, which would make it closer to £200 for that one model. Correct me if I'm wrong though.


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Post by: Vorian


Warhams-77 wrote:
While this is not the actual model for sale it gives a good impression



At the last event it was said the size would be similiar to this fella (center)







The middle guy comes in at £72. If they go plastic then obviously you can revise downwards a little


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Post by: zedmeister


Vorian wrote:
The middle guy comes in at £72. If they go plastic then obviously you can revise downwards a little


Don't forget that the £72 includes both the Chassis and Weapons. I expect that, if it is full resin, expect and weapons to be separate and priced similarly.

If plastic, I expect that you'll get a combined set of weapons and Chassis. Extra weapons (Fire Control Tower, Deathstrike Cannon, Plasma Destructor, Power Ram, Carapace Landing Pads and all the rest) to be resin upgrades.


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Post by: SeanDrake


Pretty sure the whole plastic thing is wishlisting combined with the echo-chamber of the internet.

The only thing FW said was they would like to have some plastic.

The fact that the starter contains no models is a red flag for me as that implies they could not get any models into it at less than £100.

The chassis are going to be seperate from weapons so expect to pay through the nose for a single titan.


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Post by: Vorian


We haven't heard what the starter will contain after the delay because some Titans will now be in plastic.

The only buildings stuff came when everything was going to be Resin, so it was nothing to do with not being able to fit stuff into a starter box.



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Post by: SeanDrake


Accept I have yet to see or hear confirmation that there will be plastic titans.

The delay is unrelated to the material the titans will be made of and more related to gw having a packed release schedule. Also some slight reading between the lines but gw seem to be prefering to release small box games using existing models with only 1 or 2 big boxs with new minis being released.


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Post by: Vorian


Well we had only plastic buildings at the Forgeworld open day

Then the open day at new years it was there is a delay, bloodbowl has been a big success so there's the possibility for more plastic

Then the weekender had more plastic talk.

There's no way they'd discuss the possibility if it wasn't pretty much going to happen to some extent. What that extent will be is certainly unsure.

I'm not pretending it's going to be cheap by any stretch of the imagination though. It's pretty much going to compare to a 40k army to have an AT force


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Post by: RiTides


Exactly, they're dropping hints about plastic all over the place... I think people really need to take a step back before declaring the game too expensive, there is literally no way to know that yet!

If there's some core models in plastic, I'm totally okay with having the option to buy others in resin - best of both worlds, imo



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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Bit of perspective here I think.

I was at Warhammerfest 2016, reporting for BoLS. I was the first to share the big poster of Adeptus Titanicus.

I then probed a bit, asking one of the FW chaps what it was all about. Sadly, can't remember the name, but he was working on it. At that point, he said they were working on the buildings, and hadn't quite settled on a scale.

Someone else the same day (possibly the next) did much the same, and we found out 8mm.

Bloodbowl was also nearing production at that point - they had the boxed set contents on show.

Seemed the core game teams would be plastic, others resin. We now know that changed.

Please don't cross reference older and newer rumours. It seems the Specialist Games wing is open to rapid and frequent change in production decisions - and that BB took off better than GW expected*, who knows what extra resources might be assigned to SG, and AT in particular?


*This is not to say they had no faith in the game. But after they withdrew, imitation games sprung up - that's a chunk of your former market already catered to. That it would appear people have gone mental for BB is very interesting!


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Post by: Alpharius


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bit of perspective here I think.


Indeed!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I was at Warhammerfest 2016, reporting for BoLS.


Is this an ongoing relationship?

Anyway, I still hold out hope for plastic Warlords - but then, I wish the title of this thread was in fact 100% accurate too - but EPIC isn't returning.

...yet!


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Post by: Yodhrin


 RiTides wrote:
I thought there were plenty of plastic rumours swirling - I guess we'll have to wait and see a bit...


There were, and they were all extremely equivocal. Maybe this, could do that, might if they get permission, perhaps not right away but in the future, if we're lucky, possibly they'll do small stuff but the battle titans will still be resin and so forth. Nothing that justifies getting excited IMO, the great likelihood is still all-resin models with plastic terrain sprues and thus an investment of at least a couple of hundred quid(and that's a lowball assuming 40 for the core box and only one battle titan - if you go with a proper maniple with multiple battle titans and scouts instead of knights, you'll be getting on for £400).

However, in my quest to find more positive things in stuff I dislike - GW have now killed my interest in both their main fantasy AND their main sci-fi product, and since I do my own artscale Marine sculpts for Heresy I don't need to spend money on FW Marines either, so now I can just about afford to play the new AT even if they do go all resin. Hurrah, I think?


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Post by: Vorian


They wouldn't have mentioned it at all if the great likelihood was ALL resin Titans (and knights).

£200 - £400 seems realistic though, you'd expect a 40k army to come in somewhere in that region wouldn't you?


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Post by: Yodhrin


Vorian wrote:
They wouldn't have mentioned it at all if the great likelihood was ALL resin Titans (and knights).

£200 - £400 seems realistic though, you'd expect a 40k army to come in somewhere in that region wouldn't you?


A game with five models a side is not 40K. Even if you're charitable in assuming a 1:1 comparison and say a 40K army comprised of 5 Dreadnoughts and nothing else, that's £100 from a discounter, then £30-40 from a discounter for the no-miniatures starter box means plastic AT at anything more than £150 would be extortionate, and that would be for an all-Battle Titan army, not one BT and a few piddly Knights which is what you could realistically expect the AT "entry level" army to be.

Even then, the only wargame more expensive than 40K is 30K, so using that as a benchmark for what we should consider a reasonable price for a specialist game is a bit daft IMO.

A £75 core boxed set with four Reavers and two Warlords, plus a couple of sprues of plastic scenery? That I would call reasonable. Plastic Warhounds in a box of two for £20, single plastic Reavers for £20, single plastic Warlords for £30 seems fair, but of course it's GW so I expect more like £120, £25, £35, and £50 respectively(and £30 for a box of three Knights), but even that would be tolerable.

Blood Bowl has blown up in part because of how reasonably priced it is for a GW game, if AT even approaches £200 per-player for a starter army it'll struggle, and if the total investment is more like a large 40K army it'll be DoA except among the hardest of hardcore titanheads.


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Post by: aka_mythos


To FW, Adeptus Titanicus game is an extension of the Horus Heresy series. I think we should expect something more like that approach than the approach that's been taken with Blood Bowl. It's apparent in the fact they've said it'll be printed to match the Horus Heresy campaign books.

The GW's goal in creating the larger umbrella of Specialist Games the capability to support games with plastic. Certain games like Adeptus Titanicus, Necromunda, and Mordheim, if these games get plastic support at all, I think the focus of that support will be the terrain. Terrain, where they can more easily reach the necessary economy of scale; where kits can benefit from having multiple identical sprues for example.


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Post by: Alpharius


'Plastic Warlords' can easily reach the necessary economies of scale too, in a boxed set for...Adeptus Titanicus!

That way, GW/FW can see a LOT more, and then FW can sell a LOT of resin upgrades and variants.

It makes a lot of sense to at least get the Warlords into plastic.

Leaving the smaller ones - and the largest one? - to resin?


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Post by: zedmeister


They'd be mad not do some models in plastic for the first launch. One hopes one of the reasons for the delay is that they're tooling plastic moulds. They even have the Warlord in CAD and so I'd thought they'd have plenty of time to go into plastic tooling.

 Alpharius wrote:
That way, GW/FW can see a LOT more, and then FW can sell a LOT of resin upgrades and variants.


Indeed. I'm so hoping that we'll see Forgeworld put out some sort of Volkite Macro-Carronade weapon. I'll stick two of 'em on a Warlord Class along with two inferno cannons and paint them in Legio Suturvora colours. Incinerate everything!


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Post by: RiTides


Well unfortunately I can't say more, but the folks posting that the great likelihood is all resin are simply not correct, imo - time will tell, I guess


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Post by: xttz


I just wish they'd release the rules at least as a demo so I can have a go using my 6mm titans


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Post by: aka_mythos


 Alpharius wrote:
'Plastic Warlords' can easily reach the necessary economies of scale too, in a boxed set for...Adeptus Titanicus!

That way, GW/FW can see a LOT more, and then FW can sell a LOT of resin upgrades and variants.

It makes a lot of sense to at least get the Warlords into plastic.

Leaving the smaller ones - and the largest one? - to resin?
The Warlord in this 8mm scale is the size of the 40k - Imperial Knight Paladin. Could GW sell the 12k-13k units in the first 3 months to make a plastic 8mm scale Warlord economically viable to GW. GW still sees this as a risk. It'd be in the ball park of a $1.5M risk. I think if AT gets plastic Titans it'll be similar to how Horus Heresy did... occurring sometime after there is a large enough established player base to support it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 RiTides wrote:
Well unfortunately I can't say more, but the folks posting that the great likelihood is all resin are simply not correct, imo - time will tell, I guess
Things can change, but this insistence on resin is based on what FW staff said their plans for the game's Titan models were.


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Post by: Vorian


 Yodhrin wrote:
Vorian wrote:
They wouldn't have mentioned it at all if the great likelihood was ALL resin Titans (and knights).

£200 - £400 seems realistic though, you'd expect a 40k army to come in somewhere in that region wouldn't you?


A game with five models a side is not 40K. Even if you're charitable in assuming a 1:1 comparison and say a 40K army comprised of 5 Dreadnoughts and nothing else, that's £100 from a discounter, then £30-40 from a discounter for the no-miniatures starter box means plastic AT at anything more than £150 would be extortionate, and that would be for an all-Battle Titan army, not one BT and a few piddly Knights which is what you could realistically expect the AT "entry level" army to be.

A £75 core boxed set with four Reavers and two Warlords, plus a couple of sprues of plastic scenery? That I would call reasonable. Plastic Warhounds in a box of two for £20, single plastic Reavers for £20, single plastic Warlords for £30 seems fair, but of course it's GW so I expect more like £120, £25, £35, and £50 respectively(and £30 for a box of three Knights), but even that would be tolerable.



But 5 Leviathons is £360. If you get some plastic elements of the Warlord it's coming down towards the £200 mark when you add in resin bells and whistles and knights etc.

I think AT is firmly going to be aimed at the same kind of veteran gamer that 30k is, rather than your average new starter to GW.

It would be lovely if we got a B@C style starter with the discounts there in, but that would be a surprise. A plastic Warlord and some plastic knights would be enough to make me happy



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Post by: Alpharius


I think that there are enough rumors/whispers/hints about Plastic Titans about now that the chances of that happening are greater than, say, a team coming back from 25 down in the 3rrd quarter of the Super Bowl to win it in overtime!


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Post by: Stevefamine


 xttz wrote:
I just wish they'd release the rules at least as a demo so I can have a go using my 6mm titans


I'll use battle tech minis

I'm honestly psyched for this release - more than anything else from GW except maybe Space Hulk


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Post by: Atia


 aka_mythos wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
'Plastic Warlords' can easily reach the necessary economies of scale too, in a boxed set for...Adeptus Titanicus!

That way, GW/FW can see a LOT more, and then FW can sell a LOT of resin upgrades and variants.

It makes a lot of sense to at least get the Warlords into plastic.

Leaving the smaller ones - and the largest one? - to resin?
The Warlord in this 8mm scale is the size of the 40k - Imperial Knight Paladin. Could GW sell the 12k-13k units in the first 3 months to make a plastic 8mm scale Warlord economically viable to GW. GW still sees this as a risk. It'd be in the ball park of a $1.5M risk. I think if AT gets plastic Titans it'll be similar to how Horus Heresy did... occurring sometime after there is a large enough established player base to support it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 RiTides wrote:
Well unfortunately I can't say more, but the folks posting that the great likelihood is all resin are simply not correct, imo - time will tell, I guess
Things can change, but this insistence on resin is based on what FW staff said their plans for the game's Titan models were.


The 8mm Warlord is still about the same size as the FW Thanatar, and has still the same amount of parts, if it would be done in resin (which is not yet decided thanks to more ressources and a hard to find spot in the release schedule thanks to the next two years of planned GW releases).

I also did a little extra write-up after the event for some additional information snippets:
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1683

"Adeptus Titanicus and Specialist Games:

- The design work for the initial titans is done, but they haven't decided on the production yet. Maybe plastic, maybe resin. But they know how they will look and the scale. You could take pictures of an 8mm warlord and a 28mm scale one, and wouldn't notice a difference.
- This is meant to be a specialist game - like the heresy, it will probably be expensive. That said, you only need around 5 titans per side for a normal sized game, with smaller games having only one titan (and these are still quite fun and tactical).
- The basic rule book will have fluff for Legio Gryphonicus, Legio Tempestus and 1-2 other ones, aswell as Knights. Also scenarios for big events, like the Battle for the Magna City or Molech.
- Plan is to do "black book style" campaign books after that, with the titans' death as the first.
- The different Titan Legions will get specific traits. Tempestus can deep strike, Astorum may also get the "lucius teleportation stuff".
- Plan is to explore all the different titans that exist in the fluff. Stuff like Nightgaunts or Nemesis titans will be it's own unique class, not weapon variants of the Warlord. These may also be done in 28mm scale if they sell well.
- The Ordo Sinister Psi-Warlords are controlled by a psychic null, and they use psychers as batteries! They want to do a new head piece aswell as a new weapon for it.
- Table size will be 4x4, with 4x6 for the big battles like Molech.
- Probably no Imperator Titan, atleast at the start. They were quite rare, even in 30k, and the scale would make them quite big, even with 8 mm.
- The next two years are quite busy for GW and FW, so no ETA for the release slot."

Also - you guys will love the other specialist game that should be announced later this year, probably at Warhammer Fest


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Post by: jah-joshua


 Alpharius wrote:
I think that there are enough rumors/whispers/hints about Plastic Titans about now that the chances of that happening are greater than, say, a team coming back from 25 down in the 3rrd quarter of the Super Bowl to win it in overtime!


i sure hope so...
i'd be all over that like a monkey on a football

i love my old Epic minis, just for the potential to build awesome dioramas, without taking up rooms of space...
i never did like the original plastic Warlords, though, compared to all the other minis like the Gargant, Phantom, Reaver, Warhound, tanks and infantry...
i much prefer the current Titan designs...
to have a starter with plastic new style Warlords would be the ideal set to revive Adeptus Titanicus, mirroring the original box

i highly doubt that there would not be a plastic starter for this, considering the precedent set by the two HH boxes and Bloodbowl...

cheers
jah


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Post by: Vorian


Oh Atia, you little tease. Please be Necromunda, I'm running out of things to buy for it!

After that I'm even more convinced a plastic Warlord is such an obvious step that they will come down on the side of plastic


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Post by: zedmeister


Cheers, Atia, have updated the OP

 Atia wrote:
Also - you guys will love the other specialist game that should be announced later this year, probably at Warhammer Fest




Necromunda? Battlefleet: Heresy? Wallet breakers one and all...


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Post by: guru


 Atia wrote:
 aka_mythos wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
'Plastic Warlords' can easily reach the necessary economies of scale too, in a boxed set for...Adeptus Titanicus!

That way, GW/FW can see a LOT more, and then FW can sell a LOT of resin upgrades and variants.

It makes a lot of sense to at least get the Warlords into plastic.

Leaving the smaller ones - and the largest one? - to resin?
The Warlord in this 8mm scale is the size of the 40k - Imperial Knight Paladin. Could GW sell the 12k-13k units in the first 3 months to make a plastic 8mm scale Warlord economically viable to GW. GW still sees this as a risk. It'd be in the ball park of a $1.5M risk. I think if AT gets plastic Titans it'll be similar to how Horus Heresy did... occurring sometime after there is a large enough established player base to support it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 RiTides wrote:
Well unfortunately I can't say more, but the folks posting that the great likelihood is all resin are simply not correct, imo - time will tell, I guess
Things can change, but this insistence on resin is based on what FW staff said their plans for the game's Titan models were.


The 8mm Warlord is still about the same size as the FW Thanatar, and has still the same amount of parts, if it would be done in resin (which is not yet decided thanks to more ressources and a hard to find spot in the release schedule thanks to the next two years of planned GW releases).

I also did a little extra write-up after the event for some additional information snippets:
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1683

"Adeptus Titanicus and Specialist Games:

- The design work for the initial titans is done, but they haven't decided on the production yet. Maybe plastic, maybe resin. But they know how they will look and the scale. You could take pictures of an 8mm warlord and a 28mm scale one, and wouldn't notice a difference.
- This is meant to be a specialist game - like the heresy, it will probably be expensive. That said, you only need around 5 titans per side for a normal sized game, with smaller games having only one titan (and these are still quite fun and tactical).
- The basic rule book will have fluff for Legio Gryphonicus, Legio Tempestus and 1-2 other ones, aswell as Knights. Also scenarios for big events, like the Battle for the Magna City or Molech.
- Plan is to do "black book style" campaign books after that, with the titans' death as the first.
- The different Titan Legions will get specific traits. Tempestus can deep strike, Astorum may also get the "lucius teleportation stuff".
- Plan is to explore all the different titans that exist in the fluff. Stuff like Nightgaunts or Nemesis titans will be it's own unique class, not weapon variants of the Warlord. These may also be done in 28mm scale if they sell well.
- The Ordo Sinister Psi-Warlords are controlled by a psychic null, and they use psychers as batteries! They want to do a new head piece aswell as a new weapon for it.
- Table size will be 4x4, with 4x6 for the big battles like Molech.
- Probably no Imperator Titan, atleast at the start. They were quite rare, even in 30k, and the scale would make them quite big, even with 8 mm.
- The next two years are quite busy for GW and FW, so no ETA for the release slot."

Also - you guys will love the other specialist game that should be announced later this year, probably at Warhammer Fest


FW guy from demo area, says Warlord will be about 6" tall. (I think his name is chris)


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Post by: RazorEdge


 Atia wrote:
Also - you guys will love the other specialist game that should be announced later this year, probably at Warhammer Fest

Let's hope for Warmaster and Epic!


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Post by: Atia


FW guy from demo area, says Warlord will be about 6" tall. (I think his name is chris)


The "thanatar size" is from Andy ^^

That said, I don't own one so no clue about it's measurements but it's the largest robot already - don't expect the AT warlord to be tiny and cheap ;P





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Post by: RiTides


Hmmm, the Thanatar is much bigger than the Leviathan dreadnought - odd that we've heard both. I really hope it's sized more like the Leviathan... also so it can fit on a smaller base for gameplay. Any word on base size?

Maybe it only reaches Thanatar height when counting the guns on top, and that accounts for the two different size descriptions?


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Post by: SeanDrake


I can see a small sprue of plastic Knights but titans in resin. I am just not sure that using Bloodbowl is really that helpful, a blood bowl team is what 6 figs on a small sprue. Where given the rough size examples given a titan is likely to require at least one of the large sprues that GW produce.

They are currently struggling just to get production capability for the plastic scenery, so how much of a delay to get even more capability for titans.


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Post by: Hulksmash


I think they'll benefit most from whatever they see as the baseline unit for the game being in plastic. With one additional class also in plastic. Personally I think Warlords and Reavers would be the best bet for them financially to see the game take off. Resin upgrades/specialty classes and then smaller units in resin seem like the best call.

That said I'm not sure most people want to work with resin knights at that size so that may be a thought too. I do miss when they had additional machines here in the US to take some pressure off the UK factory. There would have been more room for things like this then as they wouldn't need to divert as many resources from standard stock items.


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Post by: aka_mythos


 Atia wrote:

The 8mm Warlord is still about the same size as the FW Thanatar, and has still the same amount of parts, if it would be done in resin (which is not yet decided thanks to more resources and a hard to find spot in the release schedule thanks to the next two years of planned GW releases).
Previously the Warlord was reported at 6 inches tall, where the Thanatar 4-3/4 (without gun) 5-1/4 inches tall (with gun)... if Adeptus Titanicus is truly 8mm as they've said... whether you go by the canonical height of a Warlord Titan being 100 feet tall or go by the 40k scale Warlord titan being 22 inches tall (not including shoulder guns)... The math says a Warlord Titan in 8mm scale should be between 6 and 6-1/4 inches tall. So has GW abandoned the 8mm scale? -Or is the displayed model just a working model with the wrong scale? -Or is someone just misremembering because they didn't have both models or the model and ruler in hand?

 Atia wrote:
FW guy from demo area, says Warlord will be about 6" tall. (I think his name is chris)


The "thanatar size" is from Andy ^^

That said, I don't own one so no clue about it's measurements but it's the largest robot already - don't expect the AT warlord to be tiny and cheap ;P


That's a Thanatar, and it is on a standard 120mm by 90mm oval base. From this it is between 4-3/4 and 5-1/4 inches tall. The Thanatar size is off scale for a Warlord. If a Warlord is only Thanatar scale the game isn't 8mm, but is closer true 6mm. That's how far off it is from everything else that's been established. HOWEVER, maybe he was thinking about the Reaver titan. If a Reaver Titan is scaled to 8mm, whether by its canonical height or by its 40k-scale model... it ends up between 5 and 5.1 inches tall... which is pretty much the height and size of a Thanatar.


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Post by: krazynadechukr


 aka_mythos wrote:
 Atia wrote:

The 8mm Warlord is still about the same size as the FW Thanatar, and has still the same amount of parts, if it would be done in resin (which is not yet decided thanks to more resources and a hard to find spot in the release schedule thanks to the next two years of planned GW releases).
Previously the Warlord was reported at 6 inches tall, where the Thanatar 5-1/4 inches tall... if Adeptus Titanicus is truly 8mm as they've said... whether you go by the canonical height of a Warlord Titan being 100 feet tall or go by the 40k scale Warlord titan being 22 inches tall (not including shoulder guns)... The math says a Warlord Titan in 8mm scale should be between 6 and 6-1/4 inches tall. So has GW abandoned the 8mm scale? -Or is the displayed model just a working model with the wrong scale? -Or is someone just misremembering because they didn't have both models or the model and ruler in hand?



This made me laugh so much! It made me think of some fanboy at comic con asking an actor about some deeply unknown fanboy cannon that no one else knows/cares about in a nerdage rampage of trying to put real world logic into a game! Clearly the scale is 7.9664mm and not a true 8mm, geesh! LOL


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Post by: Vorian


Earlier in this thread they mentioned they scaled the demonstration game up by a factor of 4 - so perhaps they are just admitting that 40k is a 32mm scale game

22 inches divided by 4 is 5.5 inches, near enough the Thanatar


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Post by: aka_mythos


krazynadechukr wrote:

This made me laugh so much! It made me think of some fanboy at comic con asking an actor about some deeply unknown fanboy cannon that no one else knows/cares about in a nerdage rampage of trying to put real world logic into a game! Clearly the scale is 7.9664mm and not a true 8mm, geesh! LOL
The fact that FW chose to change the scale was contentious to begin with. And a major point of the change was so that they could portray all the models in the same and correct scale, as opposed to the original epic games which were very inconsistent in scale. Further it is much more a drastic difference in scale than you are dismissing it. The difference in scale and height between a "8mm Warlord titan" being 40k-Knight titan sized model and an "8mm Warlord titan" being portrayed as Thanatar sized is the same difference as if the 40k-Warlord titan were only the size of the 40k-Reaver titan. As far as scaling goes that is drastic. This is as drastic as telling a 6 feet tall man that they're about 5 feet tall.


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Post by: Pacific


Please can the title of the thread be changed? This doesn't read to me like the return of Epic, it's the return of Adeptus Titanicus



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Post by: Yodhrin


 RiTides wrote:
Well unfortunately I can't say more, but the folks posting that the great likelihood is all resin are simply not correct, imo - time will tell, I guess


Based on info that is public that's presently the case. If you've been told something different that's great, but alas I can't base my spending plans on winks & nudges, I have to think twice before putting stuff aside even for reliable rumours.

Vorian wrote:


But 5 Leviathons is £360. If you get some plastic elements of the Warlord it's coming down towards the £200 mark when you add in resin bells and whistles and knights etc.

I think AT is firmly going to be aimed at the same kind of veteran gamer that 30k is, rather than your average new starter to GW.

It would be lovely if we got a B@C style starter with the discounts there in, but that would be a surprise. A plastic Warlord and some plastic knights would be enough to make me happy



Yes, 5 Leviathans would be, but those are resin models and I was discussing plastic there specifically to contrast against the potential £200-400 resin cost, which I consider too high.

As for aiming it at 30K-style players, well, I'm sure they'll make plenty of money out of it, whether you'll get enough players for it to be a functioning game system with an active community is another matter. At £150 all-in I know four or five other people who, with some grumbling, would be all over AT, and that's enough for the "hardcore" nucleus I'd expect a solid local AT community to form around. £300+? Only I'm mental enough to save up and buy a force at that price, very few others locally would touch it with a ten foot pole and likely not enough in any particular club to get a scene going. And at those prices I certainly couldn't justify buying a second force to run demo games to try and get others hooked.

It just seems so silly to limit the target market for the game so much when it could be huge.


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Post by: zedmeister


 Pacific wrote:
Please can the title of the thread be changed? This doesn't read to me like the return of Epic, it's the return of Adeptus Titanicus



Well, it is an Epic scale game with GW's inbuilt scale creep. If it does well, expect to see Ordinatus and Super Heavy tanks added and for it to grow. Also, James Hewitt has said the rules are being written so that vehicles and infantry can be added in at a later date without much problem if the initial line proves popular.


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Post by: Silent Puffin?


I expect this to be a boxed game and if it is a boxed game it will be plastic, resin is simply not robust nor cheap enough, well not unless the game will cost £200 and be one giant clam pack.


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Post by: aka_mythos


 Silent Puffin? wrote:
I expect this to be a boxed game and if it is a boxed game it will be plastic, resin is simply not robust nor cheap enough, well not unless the game will cost £200 and be one giant clam pack.
If the Warlord Titan is the size of a 40k- Knight Titan... conceivably if FW/GW can hit the same economy of scale, producing in plastic and expecting to sell similar numbers of kits, they could in theory sell a boxed game like Renegades. Giving us 2 Warlords and a building for $200. And if the medium sized games really use 5-6 Warlords, people will buy 3 boxes of the game.


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Post by: Vermis


SeanDrake wrote:I can see a small sprue of plastic Knights


I think you just increased my interest by about five hundred to six hundred percent. Five hundred and seventy...two. Percent.

Vorian wrote:Earlier in this thread they mentioned they scaled the demonstration game up by a factor of 4 - so perhaps they are just admitting that 40k is a 32mm scale game


That, or it should be an 8mm game.

aka_mythos wrote:Giving us 2 Warlords and a building for $200. And if the medium sized games really use 5-6 Warlords, people will buy 3 boxes of the game.


Seems... optimistic. For most gamers anyway.


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Post by: Rayvon


They will be missing a trick if they do not release a initial box set with plastic titans, that is for sure.

I am on the fence with this one.


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Post by: lord marcus


Yay epic! Happy about this


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Post by: krazynadechukr


 aka_mythos wrote:
krazynadechukr wrote:

This made me laugh so much! It made me think of some fanboy at comic con asking an actor about some deeply unknown fanboy cannon that no one else knows/cares about in a nerdage rampage of trying to put real world logic into a game! Clearly the scale is 7.9664mm and not a true 8mm, geesh! LOL
The fact that FW chose to change the scale was contentious to begin with. And a major point of the change was so that they could portray all the models in the same and correct scale, as opposed to the original epic games which were very inconsistent in scale. Further it is much more a drastic difference in scale than you are dismissing it. The difference in scale and height between a "8mm Warlord titan" being 40k-Knight titan sized model and an "8mm Warlord titan" being portrayed as Thanatar sized is the same difference as if the 40k-Warlord titan were only the size of the 40k-Reaver titan. As far as scaling goes that is drastic. This is as drastic as telling a 6 feet tall man that they're about 5 feet tall.


chat with James Hewitt after the Adeptus Titanicus seminar, GW had this to say: “While the game was clearly inspired by previous editions of Titanicus, as well as Epic, it’s very much it’s own new thing." ... "... been working on making the 40k scale Warlord into a AT scale and it’s taken around 2 to 3 months to complete." ... "I think this will be a really good system to get into when it comes out – which is still not finalised. Because it’s going out in GW stores it has to fight it’s way into the main GW schedule, and apparently there’s already a lot lined up for the next two years which is making Titanicus problematic to schedule.” ... It started in a different scale... actually very different...things varied from 8mm to 10mm..."





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Post by: Alpharius


"going into GW stores" lends more weight to the 'plastic Titans are a *must*!" side of things!


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Post by: SeanDrake


 Alpharius wrote:
"going into GW stores" lends more weight to the 'plastic Titans are a *must*!" side of things!


Not really if the starter only has rules and plastic scenery as originally planned.


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Post by: Silent Puffin?


SeanDrake wrote:

Not really if the starter only has rules and plastic scenery as originally planned.


That would be an excellent way to kill the game stone dead.


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Post by: Nostromodamus


I really find it hard to believe anyone would release a "starter set" for a wargame these days and not include any miniatures besides terrain.

That's just pants-on-head stupid.


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Post by: Alpharius


 Silent Puffin? wrote:
SeanDrake wrote:

Not really if the starter only has rules and plastic scenery as originally planned.


That would be an excellent way to kill the game stone dead.


Exactly!

Games being sold in GW stores are going to have plastic models - almost guaranteed!


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Post by: aka_mythos


Vermis wrote:
aka_mythos wrote:Giving us 2 Warlords and a building for $200. And if the medium sized games really use 5-6 Warlords, people will buy 3 boxes of the game.


Seems... optimistic. For most gamers anyway.
I realize its a lot of "IF"... but all other things being equal if they can do "Imperial Knights: Renegade" with the two 40k - Knights and a building kit... it is only a question of how many they believe they can sell or want to sell that determines how possible it is.


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krazynadechukr wrote:

chat with James Hewitt after the Adeptus Titanicus seminar, GW had this to say: “While the game was clearly inspired by previous editions of Titanicus, as well as Epic, it’s very much it’s own new thing." ... "... been working on making the 40k scale Warlord into a AT scale and it’s taken around 2 to 3 months to complete." ... "I think this will be a really good system to get into when it comes out – which is still not finalised. Because it’s going out in GW stores it has to fight it’s way into the main GW schedule, and apparently there’s already a lot lined up for the next two years which is making Titanicus problematic to schedule.” ... It started in a different scale... actually very different...things varied from 8mm to 10mm..."
At a 10mm scale its even bigger than 6 inches tall for a Warlord... ~7.5" tall for a Warlord Titan in 10mm. This doesn't support the rumor that the Warlord for AT is going to be ~5 inches.


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Post by: Elbows


I think the smartest play here would be a fairly typical GW/FW style approach...but lean toward the Blood Bowl direction they've been doing.

1) Starter box and at most 3-5 boxed sets of plastic (box of knights, box of wolf hounds, boxed reaver, boxed warlord). That's not a huge ask considering they frequently release 4-6 plastic kits for launches, etc.

2) Support this with a line of FW alternate pieces, weapons, bits, and eventually some FW-only produced "side" titans and knights.

The only "win" I could see coming from this is if FW are smart and build a small shopping cart on their page allowing you to purchase a titan the exact way you want it (i.e.e click through choosing legs, body, carapace, arms, etc.). As a solely resin, solely FW product I think this will fail to meet expectations - sadly that could lead to them saying "Well, no one wants to play Epic" and never releasing non-Titan or non-HH materials for the game.

If the rules are sound enough though people will run with it - playing with old Epic models or buying up the bajillions of alternate company models out there for Epic.


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Post by: aka_mythos


 Alpharius wrote:
 Silent Puffin? wrote:
SeanDrake wrote:

Not really if the starter only has rules and plastic scenery as originally planned.


That would be an excellent way to kill the game stone dead.


Exactly!

Games being sold in GW stores are going to have plastic models - almost guaranteed!

FW's designers have said this is being planned as an extension of the Horus Heresy series. While the plastics they've sold for HH has certainly helped, FW was successful with that series for several years selling only resin and books through their online store. I don't think this approach means its automatically dead. That attitude was similar to what people had with the HH series... Just because its dead for you, doesn't mean its gonna fail; it just means you're not the target customer.

Specialist Games was established and FW was moved under it so FW could be supported with plastic producing capabilities... not necessarily just so FW could support a plastic game with resin kits. This isn't to say that won't happen. This isn't to say some games can't be one way, while other games are the other. Terrain for these games with specialized terrain was one of the things used as an example of what they wanted to do. Things can always change, but GW's history shows them to be very risk adverse. Producing a full plastic game right away, it is a lot of risk. They will likely try to establish a player base selling resin kits and if its popular enough then produce a plastic game.


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Post by: Silent Puffin?


 aka_mythos wrote:

GW's history shows them to be very risk adverse. Producing a full plastic game right away, it is a lot of risk.


GW have always produced full plastic games, well not all ways but from the late 80's onwards, including Adeptus Titanicus with its plastic beetlebacks. Given the noise that the news of this impending re-release has garnered as well as the resources that GW have apparently allocated to this project they would be mad to not release plastics Warlords at very least.

What games have not had plastics on release in the last 20 years? Aeronautica Imperialis is the only one that I can think of.

I can see Knights and possibly Warhounds in resin as well as the inevitable upgrades and variants but GW would be foolish not to do some core plastics. Plastic kits are a much better base for conversions and variant kits after all....


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Post by: aka_mythos


 Silent Puffin? wrote:
 aka_mythos wrote:

GW's history shows them to be very risk adverse. Producing a full plastic game right away, it is a lot of risk.


GW have always produced full plastic games, well not all ways but from the late 80's onwards, including Adeptus Titanicus with its plastic beetlebacks. Given the noise that the news of this impending re-release has garnered as well as the resources that GW have apparently allocated to this project they would be mad to not release plastics Warlords at very least.

What games have not had plastics on release in the last 20 years? Aeronautica Imperialis is the only one that I can think of.

I can see Knights and possibly Warhounds in resin as well as the inevitable upgrades and variants but GW would be foolish not to do some core plastics. Plastic kits are a much better base for conversions and variant kits after all....
Let me be more specific... producing a game in plastic built around a 40k - Knight sized kit... that's a lot more risk than GW probably wants to take. Between the Warlord titan and a terrain set... you're looking at using the plastic production capacity equivalent to producing 7 or more different blood bowls teams all at once. Blood Bowls initial release and its next two waves won't even use of that kind of resources and that games been a big success.


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Post by: infinite_array


 aka_mythos wrote:
 Silent Puffin? wrote:
 aka_mythos wrote:

GW's history shows them to be very risk adverse. Producing a full plastic game right away, it is a lot of risk.


GW have always produced full plastic games, well not all ways but from the late 80's onwards, including Adeptus Titanicus with its plastic beetlebacks. Given the noise that the news of this impending re-release has garnered as well as the resources that GW have apparently allocated to this project they would be mad to not release plastics Warlords at very least.

What games have not had plastics on release in the last 20 years? Aeronautica Imperialis is the only one that I can think of.

I can see Knights and possibly Warhounds in resin as well as the inevitable upgrades and variants but GW would be foolish not to do some core plastics. Plastic kits are a much better base for conversions and variant kits after all....
Let me be more specific... producing a game in plastic built around a 40k - Knight sized kit... that's a lot more risk than GW probably wants to take. Between the Warlord titan and a terrain set... you're looking at using the plastic production capacity equivalent to producing 7 or more different blood bowls teams all at once. Blood Bowls initial release and its next two waves won't even use of that kind of resources and that games been a big success.


Blood Bowl's an aberration. Its popularity comes from the video games and third party support for event organization and miniatures.


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Post by: Silent Puffin?


Let me be more specific... producing a game in plastic built around a 40k - Knight sized kit...


A Warlord will be smaller than a Knight and plastic terrain can be made much more cheaply than models, it could even be outsourced. I predict 2 Warlords and 2-4 Reavers per box which will probably be around the £150 mark. Even if the game is absolute arse it will still well due to nostalgia and because big center piece models tend to.

I am 95% sure that this will have plastics due to the very strong precedent and because it will probably be a boxed game.


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Post by: Kirasu


SeanDrake wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
"going into GW stores" lends more weight to the 'plastic Titans are a *must*!" side of things!


Not really if the starter only has rules and plastic scenery as originally planned.


That would be an amazingly terrible idea..


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Post by: Alpharius


Well, yes, I know right?

Can't wait for more details!!!


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Post by: aka_mythos


 Silent Puffin? wrote:
 aka_mythos wrote:

Let me be more specific... producing a game in plastic built around a 40k - Knight sized kit...


A Warlord will be smaller than a Knight and plastic terrain can be made much more cheaply than models, it could even be outsourced. I predict 2 Warlords and 2-4 Reavers per box which will probably be around the £150 mark. Even if the game is absolute arse it will still well due to nostalgia and because big center piece models tend to.

I am 95% sure that this will have plastics due to the very strong precedent and because it will probably be a boxed game.

Maybe it will be plastic, but FW's original perspective was that the models would all be resin, with only the terrain being plastic. Things can change and I certainly hope they do.
The game was said to be "8mm scale". The Warlord titan was originally said to be "about 6 inches tall"... a Warlord titan whether scaled based on its canonical height or based on the 40k scale model, a Warlord titan ends up just over 6 inches tall in the 8mm scale. A 40k-scale Imperial Knight Paladin is just over 6 inches tall, thus the comparison of an 8mm scale Warlord being the same as a 40k scale Imperial Knight.

Like I said things can change, more recently we have rumors saying a Warlord was seen as about 5" tall, which is the equivalent to an 8mm scale Reaver or a 6mm scale Warlord titan. It contradicts what we previously heard, so things are likely in flux.


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 infinite_array wrote:
 aka_mythos wrote:
Let me be more specific... producing a game in plastic built around a 40k - Knight sized kit... that's a lot more risk than GW probably wants to take. Between the Warlord titan and a terrain set... you're looking at using the plastic production capacity equivalent to producing 7 or more different blood bowls teams all at once. Blood Bowls initial release and its next two waves won't even use of that kind of resources and that games been a big success.


Blood Bowl's an aberration. Its popularity comes from the video games and third party support for event organization and miniatures.
I agree, I think Blood Bowl was a bit of an aberration, but I think it did have a relatively strong preestablished following separate of the video game too. Its hard to believe that Adeptus Titanicus would get so substantially more support than Blood Bowl. If Adeptus Titanicus gets an equal amount of initial support, Adeptus Titanicus can get 2 maybe 3 basic sized sprues... that is just about covers the games need for terrain. Its only if we consider the plastic support of the first 3 waves of Blood Bowl kits together that Adeptus Titancus gets the sort of resources to address the need for a Warlord and that assumes no terrain.


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Post by: Manchu


 aka_mythos wrote:
FW was successful with that series for several years selling only resin and books
"FW successful" is one thing. Plastic miniatures at reasonable prices is a very different level of successful.
 Silent Puffin? wrote:
still well due to nostalgia
This is always a losing bet. The winning bet is, attracting new customers without alienating existing ones.


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Post by: Silent Puffin?


 Manchu wrote:
 Silent Puffin? wrote:
still well due to nostalgia
This is always a losing bet. The winning bet is, attracting new customers without alienating existing ones.


In this instance nostaliga is a small component of the whole.


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Post by: GoatboyBeta


 aka_mythos wrote:

Like I said things can change, more recently we have rumors saying a Warlord was seen as about 5" tall, which is the equivalent to an 8mm scale Reaver or a 6mm scale Warlord titan. It contradicts what we previously heard, so things are likely in flux.


If FW did try different scales before settling on 8mm, is it possible that the smaller Warlord was a test for a smaller scale?


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Post by: Tamereth


All the talk of this still being in flux, and struggling to get a release window doesn't make it sound like GW are fully invested in the game. That can only mean bad things. Specialist games died in the first place due to lack of support.

Also a starter set with only two titans in? If that's the case then they will have made the titans too big, and missed the whole point of epic. I never meet anyone that played epic for small scale skirmishes, the advantage of the scale is that you can field a massive army, but still get a game done in an evening.
Even 5 titans a side sounds a bit small compared to where AT always shone.


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Post by: Binabik15


I only really want the rectangles upon rectangles of tiny dudes and swarms of tanks that I stupidly never bought when I was young and got sucked into the miniature addict life. In my defense, the local toy and comic stores only carried a few Epic models each and they got discontinued alltogether soon after.

Okay, a few small scale plastic Knights, sure, they can be huge combat servitors after a few mods.

As a game focused only on big machines an approach similiar to X-Wing and its boosters would make sense, wouldn't it. Each Titan should be a a mini-expansion and a chance to drastically mix up your playstyle. As much as I hate spammed units in bigger games (which is why I never could run most of 40k's new formation heavy "competetive" lists) in skirmish -heck, maybe duel- games its even worse. New rules being added through models (and a compendium later) instead of waiting for a new edition. No prebuilt or painted models, of course.


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Post by: Azreal13


 Tamereth wrote:
All the talk of this still being in flux, and struggling to get a release window doesn't make it sound like GW are fully invested in the game. That can only mean bad things. Specialist games died in the first place due to lack of support.


It's more likely a symptom that this whole concept was brought about in short order (possibly by the new CEO) and wasn't planned sufficiently in advance to allow full integration. We have already heard that GW were surprised by BB's success, and one thing GW, old or nu, can be relied on is to chase something that they think will make them a buck hard.



Also a starter set with only two titans in? If that's the case then they will have made the titans too big, and missed the whole point of epic. I never meet anyone that played epic for small scale skirmishes, the advantage of the scale is that you can field a massive army, but still get a game done in an evening.
Even 5 titans a side sounds a bit small compared to where AT always shone.


It's a starter, and it's coming with a bunch of plastic terrain. If one titan a side is enough to allow the game to be played, and get people excited to go further, it'll do its job. If it offers the content at a good enough price that players have a reason to buy multiples, it'll go great guns.


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Post by: aka_mythos


It's also a game that requires only one model to play, generally 3 and upto 6... and they want you to buy more than just Warlords.


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GoatboyBeta wrote:
If FW did try different scales before settling on 8mm, is it possible that the smaller Warlord was a test for a smaller scale?
I think this is a very real possibility and a likely source for the discrepancies.

Manchu wrote:
 aka_mythos wrote:
FW was successful with that series for several years selling only resin and books
"FW successful" is one thing. Plastic miniatures at reasonable prices is a very different level of successful.
Very true. I believe AT could be that successful... but I think GW is too risk averse.


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Post by: MLaw


What I suspect is box set will have a few really nice pieces of terrain you can't really get more of, 2 opposing but mediocre titans, and the other normal stuff. Then some amazingly awesome titans will be the first release and they will be priced like a Land Raider.
That's my prediction. I hope it's not true but come on... it's GW.. they're fairly predictable with this sort of thing. It's either this or a bunch of repackaged stuff... which is almost guaranteed not to be the case. I mean.. they did re-release models from about the same era as the original AT.. but still..


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Post by: Jehan-reznor


Well if they go full resin i will buy the starter box and wait until Vanguard come with 6mm uhm variants and use my old titans


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Post by: Azreal13


If I was in charge, I'd have two Warhounds plus either a Reaver or Warlord in the starter (whatever balanced best.)

Then I'd have plastics of the three main chassis with a set loadout, and make a fortune on a bajillion customizable bits for the Titans (heads, weapons, armour sets etc..) as well as the various Knight variants.


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Post by: Alpharius


 MLaw wrote:
What I suspect is box set will have a few really nice pieces of terrain you can't really get more of, 2 opposing but mediocre titans, and the other normal stuff. Then some amazingly awesome titans will be the first release and they will be priced like a Land Raider.
That's my prediction. I hope it's not true but come on... it's GW.. they're fairly predictable with this sort of thing. It's either this or a bunch of repackaged stuff... which is almost guaranteed not to be the case. I mean.. they did re-release models from about the same era as the original AT.. but still..


You might be right on the price (a Warlord at/around Land Raider pricing), but the rest of this post is almost 100% guaranteed to be wrong...


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Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Azreal13 wrote:
Then I'd have plastics of the three main chassis with a set loadout, and make a fortune on a bajillion customizable bits for the Titans (heads, weapons, armour sets etc..) as well as the various Knight variants.


Wouldn't it just be more economical to do the main three chassis in plastic (with basic default weaponry) and then have all the extra equipment and ancillaries come out in resin?

After all ignoring Knights of varying description, there are really only three models for this: Warlord, Warhound, Reaver. Rather than hampering the game with making resin versions of these, you have 3 moulds - one for each - and as everything in the game revolves around them you can just keep making them.

In a way it's a bit like the plastic Imperial and Chaos cruisers from Battlefleet Gothic.


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Post by: Alpharius


Didn't Az basically say just that?

Unless I'm missing your point?

Eventually, I think we will get the 3 main Titan chassis in plastic, with a lot of resin add-ons and weirdo-variants.


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Post by: DrRansom


AT, released in store without models in the box set, is asking for a very poor commercial launch.

If GW wants to put the game in GW stores, then a cheap-ish starting Army is a must.

In light of the rumors that the Warlord is complete, but Warhound and Reaver are yet to be done, perhaps there is a clear path. Make the Warhound and Reaver plastic kits. They'd for the base of any army. The Warlord itself would be a resin kit.

This would work for expansions too, Forgeworld can produce more interesting Warlord class Titans, in resin, while GW only produces the most common titan class for armies.

A lot remains to be seen. I am waiting to see the various superheavies make the list, but that might be years down the road.


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Post by: Azreal13


 Alpharius wrote:
Didn't Az basically say just that?

Unless I'm missing your point?

Eventually, I think we will get the 3 main Titan chassis in plastic, with a lot of resin add-ons and weirdo-variants.


It is what I meant but I didn't actually specify all the extra bits were to be resin, you were supposed to mind read that part.


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Post by: aka_mythos


DrRansom wrote:
AT, released in store without models in the box set, is asking for a very poor commercial launch.

FW released and sold it Horus Heresy series without any in store presence... it has been such a success it out paced FW's ability to produce kits to the point they expanded facilities and still had to remove items from their catalog to keep pace. It is apparent from what they've said they see Adeptus Titanicus as an extension of that. The other books and the models for the Horus Heresy series is FW's meter stick for the succes of Adeptus Titanicus and quite simply even if AT is sold in store as only a book and terrain it stands to exceed their expectations. GW doesn't want to take significant risks they will likely follow a slow build up of the player base before we see a true starter box.


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Post by: MLaw


 Alpharius wrote:
 MLaw wrote:
What I suspect is box set will have a few really nice pieces of terrain you can't really get more of, 2 opposing but mediocre titans, and the other normal stuff. Then some amazingly awesome titans will be the first release and they will be priced like a Land Raider.
That's my prediction. I hope it's not true but come on... it's GW.. they're fairly predictable with this sort of thing. It's either this or a bunch of repackaged stuff... which is almost guaranteed not to be the case. I mean.. they did re-release models from about the same era as the original AT.. but still..


You might be right on the price (a Warlord at/around Land Raider pricing), but the rest of this post is almost 100% guaranteed to be wrong...


This sounds cryptic and like you are holding onto something.. or maybe I missed it. this thread moved kinda fast.. I hope you're right. I sincerely don't think they'd use old models but I recall 2 editions at least of 40k that had some nice terrain and then nothing (or limited enough that it should have been). More importantly, Epic.. and the little buildings. I couldn't find decent Epic terrain anywhere! Not a problem these days but back then it was really annoying. Anyway, if you've got juicy tidbits or I missed them, a friendly link would be awesome. I'm excited about this and almost anything Epic related. (going to skim back through the thread again in case I missed anything)


EDIT: Nvm.. just read on page 1 no plans on xenos. Well.. there goes my interest :/ They also said no plans to expand it into Epic proper.. when another quote said that they would. Guess I'll file this in wait and see.


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Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Pacific wrote:
Please can the title of the thread be changed? This doesn't read to me like the return of Epic, it's the return of Adeptus Titanicus



Yeah I'll do that as far as I can tell NO RUMORS of infantry, tanks etc. Just Titans and Knights yes?

And on plastic, the rumor of plastic buildings and resin titans just seems backwards to me.

Seriously GW made plastic titans in 1991. They have the capacity to make sprues of Blood Angel Shoulder Pads or Random Space Wolf Dude and they can't/won't make plastic titans?

Just makes no sense.

I'd say plastic Titans (with maybe some Resin expansions) are much more likely than Resin.


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Post by: Joyboozer


No xenos! No fething xenos! They can't be that stupid, surely?


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Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Joyboozer wrote:
No xenos! No fething xenos! They can't be that stupid, surely?


The original game didn't have Xenos either. In fact GW created the whole Horus Heresy plot line to justify only making one sprue of titans since in a civil war both sides would have the same equipment.

Any hey, gotta save something for the expansions right?


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Post by: MLaw


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Joyboozer wrote:
No xenos! No fething xenos! They can't be that stupid, surely?


The original game didn't have Xenos either. In fact GW created the whole Horus Heresy plot line to justify only making one sprue of titans since in a civil war both sides would have the same equipment.

Any hey, gotta save something for the expansions right?


I was going to be like WHA??? But Titan Legions is what I was thinking.. box art is literally imperial vs orks..


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Post by: Vorian


I'm sure when they see the money raining in from this, their plans will expand to include more than just the imperial titans.



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Post by: Silent Puffin?


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Seriously GW made plastic titans in 1991.


Beetlebacks are from 1988


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Post by: Padre


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 Pacific wrote:
Please can the title of the thread be changed? This doesn't read to me like the return of Epic, it's the return of Adeptus Titanicus



Yeah I'll do that as far as I can tell NO RUMORS of infantry, tanks etc. Just Titans and Knights yes?

And on plastic, the rumor of plastic buildings and resin titans just seems backwards to me.

Seriously GW made plastic titans in 1991. They have the capacity to make sprues of Blood Angel Shoulder Pads or Random Space Wolf Dude and they can't/won't make plastic titans?

Just makes no sense.

I'd say plastic Titans (with maybe some Resin expansions) are much more likely than Resin.


KK, is there any chance of just having the thread title as "AT News and rumours"...at least until we get some actual news? (Like an actual answer to the "plastic vs resin" question...)

When I saw the "Engines Walk" bit added I thought there had been some new info released, and I'm sure a lot of others are going to as well.

Definitely agree with removing any mention of Epic, though...


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Post by: BossTroll


I seriously hate waiting for this. Finally some company for my metal epic40k era Warlord Titan.

Still miffed with myself for not buying the Forgeworld warhounds when they where available.

I've already started building a city for 6mm gaming, and these titans will add some great flavour.

For people who're looking for some city buildings, try this kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2047688210/neo-tyrannis-cityscapes?ref=user_menu
Really sweet looking skyscrapers, 6-10mm scale so perfect for the new AT.


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Post by: zedmeister


 MLaw wrote:
I was going to be like WHA??? But Titan Legions is what I was thinking.. box art is literally imperial vs orks..


Indeed, it's the earlier game, specifically this one:

Spoiler:




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Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Adeptus Titanicus is the exciting game of GINORMOUS ROBOTS fighting the exact same GINORMOUS ROBOTS except they're painted a different color. Will the Blue Robots defeat the Evil Red Robots or will the Green Robots defeat the Evil Yellow Robots? Or will the Black Robots win it all? Only you can decide!


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Post by: AndrewGPaul


If only they were that distinct; looking at the cover art, it's red-and-black robots vs black-and-red robots.


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Post by: Carnikang


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Adeptus Titanicus is the exciting game of GINORMOUS ROBOTS fighting the exact same GINORMOUS ROBOTS except they're painted a different color. Will the Blue Robots defeat the Evil Red Robots or will the Green Robots defeat the Evil Yellow Robots? Or will the Black Robots win it all? Only you can decide!


Back in the day, color used to matter.

Now they could be plastic or resin grey and nobody would bat an eye.

MADNESS.


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Post by: Yodhrin


 aka_mythos wrote:
DrRansom wrote:
AT, released in store without models in the box set, is asking for a very poor commercial launch.

FW released and sold it Horus Heresy series without any in store presence... it has been such a success it out paced FW's ability to produce kits to the point they expanded facilities and still had to remove items from their catalog to keep pace. It is apparent from what they've said they see Adeptus Titanicus as an extension of that. The other books and the models for the Horus Heresy series is FW's meter stick for the succes of Adeptus Titanicus and quite simply even if AT is sold in store as only a book and terrain it stands to exceed their expectations. GW doesn't want to take significant risks they will likely follow a slow build up of the player base before we see a true starter box.


I'm sorry but that's a pretty disingenuous comparison and you must know that. Plenty of people who couldn't afford an all-resin FW army(or merely didn't want to spend that much on one project) when that was all that was on offer could still play Heresy games using the vast array of existing SM plastic kits for a fraction of the resin cost, or even ones they already owned. Without those extra players lots of local Heresy groups wouldn't have been sustainable, and I doubt it would ever have reached the critical mass necessary to justify FW's rapid expansion of the range and the eventual Heresy-specific plastic releases.

FW made flyers for years, they only became a big deal when GW put them in plastic. FW made superheavies for years, they only became a big deal when GW put them in plastic. FW make Guard models that are far, far, exponentially far better than the plastic Cadians, but what are most Guard armies made up of?

The Heresy is not the pattern, it is the aberration, the one FW product with the right combination of quality, fluff, and accessibility through the existing Marine line to take off without requiring GW to put in a specific investment in plastic kits first. Anecdote is just that, obviously, but I know several people who own whole Heresy armies in resin now who only got into the thing in the first place because they could buy a couple of resin models from FW to add some flavour to their initial attempts at Heresy gaming using the 40K Marine plastics - they built their all-resin armies over time, but they only got involved in the first place because they didn't have to wait to play the game "properly" with actual models while they did so.

Paper cutouts won't work like that for most people. Proxies using Dreadnoughts won't work like that for most people. And AT doesn't have the reach of 40K, I don't think it would survive long enough to "earn" a plastic release from GW in the way non-Heresy FW products have in the past.


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Post by: krazynadechukr


So, I just spoke to my GW manager last night (friend of 10+ years), who was recently in London and also the Heresy event. (He has given me solid info on rumors in the past like before AoS was widely known, Deathwatch heads up, and so on, including Cypher coming back...) Anyway, he says that inside Adeptus Titanicus starter box it will contain 6 plastic models (2 large, 2 medium, 2 small) with options, along with several new dice, a rulebook, several reference cards, counters, ruler stick thing, and (it looked like) 8 easy to assemble pieces of heavy card stock scenery that had plastic like borders for the cards to clip into, representing battle torn futuristic buildings. The rulebook contains rules for different types of gameplay, including basic skirmishes of 1 on 1 as well as massive battles for dozens against dozens. There is a large detailed Campaign too and stand alone scenarios. Several (or a dozen?) boxed sets are planned to also be coming out, so you can add to your Adeptus Titanicus army, at and after, general release of the boxed starter! As always, digest with some salt.


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Oh, and it might be $149.99 USD for the starter....


I really am unsure of his info. This just came out the other day - from Andy Hoare, Mark Bedford and Chris Drew -

Spoiler:
"The game is set during the Horus Heresy in the spirit of the original Adeptus Titanicus. It will begin with just Titans. The scale will be 8mm – They decided on this scale after 3D printing a Marine, Dread, Leman Russ, Warlord and a Mastodon in three different scales. 8mm was deemed the best as you could see the details to the point of telling different armour marks apart but didn’t make the Titans too big. 8mm will make a Warlord around 6″ tall (that’s what it looked like when Andy Hoare put his hands apart, don’t blame me if the final model is smaller or larger…).
The models will be produced in resin by Forge World. Typical force may be in the region of two Warlords, two Reavers and two-three Warhounds. More Titan variants are possible. Down the road infantry and tanks are to be introduced. Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos which can be introduced in a themed expansion, e.g. Adeptus Titanicus: Armageddon to bring in the Orks. Currently the Titans are being 3D modelled by Chris Drew, the Warlord has been done as the 40k version was originally 3D modelled so it was a case of just scaling things down and getting it to work as a model which can be manufactured. We may, may, get to see something at the Forge World Open Day…(may, depending on Tony Cottrell)."

Mod edit - Added spoiler tags to older rumor quote



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Post by: Manchu


krazynadechukr wrote:
6 plastic models (2 large, 2 medium, 2 small)
Sold!

FYI - the buildings shown in the 40k-scale game are supposed to use the art from the box set buildings, blown up and pasted over foam core.


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Post by: Hulksmash


If that's what comes out I'm in whole hog. And I'd be excited for it!


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Post by: RiTides


I know that requires some salt, but that sounds like what I'd both love to see and totally throw money at . Here's hoping he's right!


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Post by: angelofvengeance


Hm 6 models isn't much...


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Post by: Alpharius


Certainly would be awesome, and would see me in for 2 boxes (from a discounter!)...

How's krazynadechukr look on the Rumor Tracker?!?


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Post by: AndrewGPaul


Given the sort of decisions you'll need to make for each one, it's plenty. It looks like you'll need to worry about damage and repairs on multiple locations, orders, power assignment, etc.

After all, the original version had scenarios for one model per side.


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Post by: NivlacSupreme


I'm debating splitting one of these with a friend or keeping them all.


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Post by: TheSecretSquig


I'm hoping I can get hold of the rules, and use my existing Titans. I don't beleive a word about the testing of multiple scales to see which held the most detail. GW or FW have changed the scale simply so that you can't use the old Epic scale stuff.

As I've multiple gaming opponents with huge Epic Armies, we are just looking to use the new rules with our existing models.


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Post by: DrRansom


That rumor sounds almost too good to be true.

It also sounds like exactly what a boxed set of AT should be.

Consequently, I'm torn about how to view that rumor. A boxed set of AT in GW stores will need to include plastic titans, otherwise why have it in the mass market store? But, that goes against all of the pure resin talk we've heard and the quote below.


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Post by: GoatboyBeta


Sounds great, but as always plenty of salt. If it is true, the card stock buildings would be a slight disappointment(yeah I know, there's no pleasing some ). I was contemplating how some existing 40k scenery would look with 8mm scale buildings grafted onto them to cover up obviously 40k scaled parts.


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Post by: RiTides


krazynadechukr wrote:
So, I just spoke to my GW manager last night (friend of 10+ years), who was recently in London and also the Heresy event. (He has given me solid info on rumors in the past like before AoS was widely known, Deathwatch heads up, and so on, including Cypher coming back...) Anyway, he says that inside Adeptus Titanicus starter box it will contain 6 plastic models (2 large, 2 medium, 2 small) with options, along with several new dice, a rulebook, several reference cards, counters, ruler stick thing, and (it looked like) 8 easy to assemble pieces of heavy card stock scenery that had plastic like borders for the cards to clip into, representing battle torn futuristic buildings. The rulebook contains rules for different types of gameplay, including basic skirmishes of 1 on 1 as well as massive battles for dozens against dozens. There is a large detailed Campaign too and stand alone scenarios. Several (or a dozen?) boxed sets are planned to also be coming out, so you can add to your Adeptus Titanicus army, at and after, general release of the boxed starter! As always, digest with some salt.

Oh, and it might be $149.99 USD for the starter....

That's everything I want for this game, so if GW is still in flux, I hope they see the response to this rumor and decide to take this route



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Post by: Silent Puffin?


 angelofvengeance wrote:
Hm 6 models isn't much...


The original had 6 models.

That rumour sounds to good to be true so it probably isn't


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Post by: aka_mythos


That would be really great!


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Post by: H.B.M.C.


If that covers the three Titan types, in plastic, then that's a fantastic thing. Then they can release the plastic Titans in boxes, and everything else can be resin accessories.


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Post by: Slinky


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If that covers the three Titan types, in plastic, then that's a fantastic thing. Then they can release the plastic Titans in boxes, and everything else can be resin accessories.


Yeah, that would be perfect!


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Post by: aka_mythos


 Yodhrin wrote:

I'm sorry but that's a pretty disingenuous comparison and you must know that. Plenty of people who couldn't afford an all-resin FW army(or merely didn't want to spend that much on one project) when that was all that was on offer could still play Heresy games using the vast array of existing SM plastic kits for a fraction of the resin cost, or even ones they already owned. Without those extra players lots of local Heresy groups wouldn't have been sustainable, and I doubt it would ever have reached the critical mass necessary to justify FW's rapid expansion of the range and the eventual Heresy-specific plastic releases.
Its not disingenuous its economics. Its their business model and I'm speaking from the perspective of their corporate well being and not my desires as a consumer. In many ways it was a threshold of performance that determined the viability of plastic support. GW could support Adeptus Titanicus with plastics right away but without an established customer base for this game specifically its a much bigger risk. The level of success FW selling it as resin only has to achieve and GW selling it in plastic has to achieve are orders of magnitude apart.

 Yodhrin wrote:

FW made flyers for years, they only became a big deal when GW put them in plastic. FW made superheavies for years, they only became a big deal when GW put them in plastic. FW make Guard models that are far, far, exponentially far better than the plastic Cadians, but what are most Guard armies made up of?
Forgeworld was successful for years and that success provided the necessary data points to establish the viability of those products in plastic. FW by being this low volume, high quality, boutique studio allows them to test the waters for GW. This is a track record of that. While I think GW has been much bolder under Roundtree as CEO to change this product progression cycle would make how they restructured that part of the company meaningless. Maybe they changed their mind about so much, but if they did its a large expense they've had to swallow to do it.


 Yodhrin wrote:

The Heresy is not the pattern, it is the aberration, the one FW product with the right combination of quality, fluff, and accessibility through the existing Marine line to take off without requiring GW to put in a specific investment in plastic kits first. Anecdote is just that, obviously, but I know several people who own whole Heresy armies in resin now who only got into the thing in the first place because they could buy a couple of resin models from FW to add some flavour to their initial attempts at Heresy gaming using the 40K Marine plastics - they built their all-resin armies over time, but they only got involved in the first place because they didn't have to wait to play the game "properly" with actual models while they did so.
No, the Badab War was the aberration and the Horus Heresy series built off of that as a model of how to move forward. The FW game developers have said as much. The Badab War was a prototype to see if a different approach would work, and while the Horus Heresy series has eclipsed it, the relatively low threshold for success allowed it to succeed and for FW to learn from it.

That said while you can say people substituting plastic miniatures for the resin FW models contributed to its success as a game and as a community, it didn't contribute to the financial measure of FW's success and that's the determining factor that moved GW to produce plastics to support it.


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Post by: Manchu


The topic of marketing dynamics between FW and GW is probably best spun off into its own thread. Thanks!


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Post by: Vintersorg


Well, for being a thread about a "niche game", this is surely getting a lot of traction.

In four days we already reached 10 pages.


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Post by: Manchu


I think there is a so much excitement in large part because GW has shown an interest in making cool stuff at more affordable prices lately.

The tension in this situation is, with FW in the picture it may just be another case of cool, unaffordable stuff.


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Post by: RiTides


Copying the awesome, but salty rumor over to the new page

krazynadechukr wrote:
So, I just spoke to my GW manager last night (friend of 10+ years), who was recently in London and also the Heresy event. (He has given me solid info on rumors in the past like before AoS was widely known, Deathwatch heads up, and so on, including Cypher coming back...) Anyway, he says that inside Adeptus Titanicus starter box it will contain 6 plastic models (2 large, 2 medium, 2 small) with options, along with several new dice, a rulebook, several reference cards, counters, ruler stick thing, and (it looked like) 8 easy to assemble pieces of heavy card stock scenery that had plastic like borders for the cards to clip into, representing battle torn futuristic buildings. The rulebook contains rules for different types of gameplay, including basic skirmishes of 1 on 1 as well as massive battles for dozens against dozens. There is a large detailed Campaign too and stand alone scenarios. Several (or a dozen?) boxed sets are planned to also be coming out, so you can add to your Adeptus Titanicus army, at and after, general release of the boxed starter! As always, digest with some salt.

Oh, and it might be $149.99 USD for the starter....

GW, take note, this is what the people want! They'd sell tons...




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Post by: zedmeister


Vintersorg wrote:
Well, for being a thread about a "niche game", this is surely getting a lot of traction.

In four days we already reached 10 pages.


Well, apart from Titans, Epic was one of the big three many years ago and was for over 10 years. Even after it got Epic40k'd, it remained popular. That's a lot of vets who would be potentially interested.


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Post by: Alpharius


 zedmeister wrote:
Vintersorg wrote:
Well, for being a thread about a "niche game", this is surely getting a lot of traction.

In four days we already reached 10 pages.


Well, apart from Titans, Epic was one of the big three many years ago and was for over 10 years. Even after it got Epic40k'd, it remained popular. That's a lot of vets who would be potentially interested.


Absolutely!

"Epic Scale" is really the best scale to show what war in 40K is all about - and lets all the really cool things show up in a setting that makes sense.

So while I want this to do well on its own, I'd love for it to 'show' GW that this scale wargame is a good thing to do - again!


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Post by: MLaw


Vintersorg wrote:
Well, for being a thread about a "niche game", this is surely getting a lot of traction.

In four days we already reached 10 pages.


The title mentioned Epic 40k until page 9.. so a lot of us who were excited about the return of Epic popped in. IF the latest rumor is true.. I might buy the starter set anyway since the titans are in fact usable and I already have Orks for Epic.. so I would basically score more epic stuff + scenery.. That's not terrible if I'm honest. It would make me need to look for more anti-armor units for my Waaagh though as most of my Waaagh is a tad more anti-troop. Guess I need to figure out who makes not-Epic greenskin stuff now :/


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Post by: Neronoxx


 RiTides wrote:
Copying the awesome, but salty rumor over to the new page

krazynadechukr wrote:
So, I just spoke to my GW manager last night (friend of 10+ years), who was recently in London and also the Heresy event. (He has given me solid info on rumors in the past like before AoS was widely known, Deathwatch heads up, and so on, including Cypher coming back...) Anyway, he says that inside Adeptus Titanicus starter box it will contain 6 plastic models (2 large, 2 medium, 2 small) with options, along with several new dice, a rulebook, several reference cards, counters, ruler stick thing, and (it looked like) 8 easy to assemble pieces of heavy card stock scenery that had plastic like borders for the cards to clip into, representing battle torn futuristic buildings. The rulebook contains rules for different types of gameplay, including basic skirmishes of 1 on 1 as well as massive battles for dozens against dozens. There is a large detailed Campaign too and stand alone scenarios. Several (or a dozen?) boxed sets are planned to also be coming out, so you can add to your Adeptus Titanicus army, at and after, general release of the boxed starter! As always, digest with some salt.

Oh, and it might be $149.99 USD for the starter....

GW, take note, this is what the people want! They'd sell tons...




This rumour is directly at odds with what Atia said earlier, so I'm out to the store for some mortons.


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Post by: MLaw


 Alpharius wrote:
 zedmeister wrote:
Vintersorg wrote:
Well, for being a thread about a "niche game", this is surely getting a lot of traction.

In four days we already reached 10 pages.


Well, apart from Titans, Epic was one of the big three many years ago and was for over 10 years. Even after it got Epic40k'd, it remained popular. That's a lot of vets who would be potentially interested.


Absolutely!

"Epic Scale" is really the best scale to show what war in 40K is all about - and lets all the really cool things show up in a setting that makes sense.

So while I want this to do well on its own, I'd love for it to 'show' GW that this scale wargame is a good thing to do - again!


I can't agree with this more.. I really truly hope they bring Epic in eventually to fill the mass battle niche they keep trying to force on 40k and allow 40k to relax back down to the scale I fell in love with it at..


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Post by: Alpharius


 MLaw wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
 zedmeister wrote:
Vintersorg wrote:
Well, for being a thread about a "niche game", this is surely getting a lot of traction.

In four days we already reached 10 pages.


Well, apart from Titans, Epic was one of the big three many years ago and was for over 10 years. Even after it got Epic40k'd, it remained popular. That's a lot of vets who would be potentially interested.


Absolutely!

"Epic Scale" is really the best scale to show what war in 40K is all about - and lets all the really cool things show up in a setting that makes sense.

So while I want this to do well on its own, I'd love for it to 'show' GW that this scale wargame is a good thing to do - again!


I can't agree with this more.. I really truly hope they bring Epic in eventually to fill the mass battle niche they keep trying to force on 40k and allow 40k to relax back down to the scale I fell in love with it at..


Amen to that brother - Amen!


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Post by: aka_mythos


 Alpharius wrote:

"Epic Scale" is really the best scale to show what war in 40K is all about - and lets all the really cool things show up in a setting that makes sense.

So while I want this to do well on its own, I'd love for it to 'show' GW that this scale wargame is a good thing to do - again!
I agree, but its always important to consider how inconsistent the scaling for the original Epic was. If the Titan had been properly to scale with epic infantry a Warlord would have been the size of a 40k scale Dreadknight. Without acknowledging that imperfection or addressing it, "epic scale" is a fiction.

Its important that going forward an Epic game is to a proper and consistent scale or else there will always be the inclination to make 40k the venue to see how big things are to each other, and that will continue the insistence on 40k being overly epic-ized.


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Post by: Alpharius


Honestly?

I don't really care too much about the nitty gritty scale discussion and/or where they end up - so long as GW brings back an "Epic Scale" game that allows us to play a game that is really similar to Space Marine/Titan Legions/Epic!

It would have been nice if they stuck with their version of 6mm, but as long as we're back walking on this particular road again, I'm happy!


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Post by: MLaw


 aka_mythos wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:

"Epic Scale" is really the best scale to show what war in 40K is all about - and lets all the really cool things show up in a setting that makes sense.

So while I want this to do well on its own, I'd love for it to 'show' GW that this scale wargame is a good thing to do - again!
I agree, but its always important to consider how inconsistent the scaling for the original Epic was. If the Titan had been properly to scale with epic infantry a Warlord would have been the size of a 40k scale Dreadknight. Without acknowledging that imperfection or addressing it, "epic scale" is a fiction.

Its important that going forward an Epic game is to a proper and consistent scale or else there will always be the inclination to make 40k the venue to see how big things are to each other, and that will continue the insistence on 40k being overly epic-ized.


While I kind of agree with this, implying that 40k has their scale right is really not something I can agree with. As a point of fact, if this were the case then Tru-Scale wouldn't be a thing. Most of the vehicles in 40k are so badly oversized that debates about using real world models that are supposed to be the correct scale are a fairly common occurence. Let's not even get started on the size of weapons, equipment, and ordnance in 40k scale. In the end they are games. The importance of the 100% accurate scale is debatable I suppose but for me as long as most of the big things are similar in size across the armies and the infantry are similar in size, I don't think I could care less if they're perfectly scaled. I've played numerous games of Epic and the disparity of scale has never interfered with our ability to enjoy the game. Likewise, it has never cause any rules disputes.


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Post by: aka_mythos


The 40k heroic scale is itself rather inconsistent, but things like Titans, Forge World has attempted to maintain some consistency. The FW 40k Warlord is the correct height for a 28mm scaled Warlord based on it canonical height.


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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


Man... I just want this to blow up as much a Bloodbowl did, or moreso, because I want GW to get a vote of confidence large enough to commit to infantry, vehicles, etc...

Epic, or the iteration of it that looked like full out war/battles in the 40k universe (with all types of units) was one of the images in my head when I wanted to get into table-top games. I missed it by a few years, and to get a second chance to make a serious go at it, and help build a local community, would be tremendous.

I'll definitely file it and Mordheim under "dream games" to see formally re-issued, and supported anew.


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Post by: Vintersorg


And I don't see any reason why people can't just use the old 6 mm miniatures with the new rules.

In that way, the game is even more realistic and "proportionate". A giant laser cannon or a missile system should at least have a range of a dozen of kilometers. Not reach just half way to the table.

If both opponents use the same scale, the problem doesn't exist.


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Post by: Vermis


krazynadechukr wrote:This just came out the other day - from Andy Hoare, Mark Bedford and Chris Drew -

Spoiler:
8mm was deemed the best as you could see the details to the point of telling different armour marks apart


Well as long as the decision was based on something important.

Alpharius wrote:
I don't really care too much about the nitty gritty scale discussion and/or where they end up - so long as GW brings back an "Epic Scale" game that allows us to play a game that is really similar to Space Marine/Titan Legions/Epic!


I can't remember, Alf. Were you the one who said they were selling their big Epic armies a few pages back? (Not sarcastic; genuine question)

I dunno. I feel tired. Never fails to amaze me how people need GW to 'bring something back' before they'll touch it, although I've seen it for years in relation to Epic. I am interested to see any new, plastic titans, at a size closer to what they should have been, don't doubt that. But in the meantime we've had people beavering away on Netepic, NetE:A etc., and Vanguard, Onslaught, etc. ramping up production... does it leave folk completely cold? Still, Epic hasn't really been anywhere that it needs to be brought back from. You don't need a GW sticker to allow you to play a game that is really similar to Space Marine/Titan Legions/Epic.
That's my beef, including all the brouhaha over scale. GW are putting this out to make money, sure, but it also seems engineered to hobble alternate 6mm sellers and anyone who thought of supporting them. (Even with several assertions that this game is 'just titans', there are still plenty of posters with visions of 8mm infantry armies dancing in front of their eyes) Then if this tanks thanks to GW's business-as-usual (far from a sure thing but not inconceivable - I remember Aeronautica Imperialis as an FW game that was popular until it wasn't) there'll be a lot breast-beating about how a lack of Adeptus Titanicus in the local store or club means that 6(-8)mm games are impossible...


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Post by: Alpharius


I sadly/unfortunately sold off all my Epic stuff years and years ago - and yes, I still regret it.

That's one of the reasons I'm hoping that this leads to an Epic Revival, in some way, shape or form!


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Post by: MLaw


 Vermis wrote:
krazynadechukr wrote:This just came out the other day - from Andy Hoare, Mark Bedford and Chris Drew -

Spoiler:
8mm was deemed the best as you could see the details to the point of telling different armour marks apart


Well as long as the decision was based on something important.

Alpharius wrote:
I don't really care too much about the nitty gritty scale discussion and/or where they end up - so long as GW brings back an "Epic Scale" game that allows us to play a game that is really similar to Space Marine/Titan Legions/Epic!


I can't remember, Alf. Were you the one who said they were selling their big Epic armies a few pages back? (Not sarcastic; genuine question)

I dunno. I feel tired. Never fails to amaze me how people need GW to 'bring something back' before they'll touch it, although I've seen it for years in relation to Epic. I am interested to see any new, plastic titans, at a size closer to what they should have been, don't doubt that. But in the meantime we've had people beavering away on Netepic, NetE:A etc., and Vanguard, Onslaught, etc. ramping up production... does it leave folk completely cold? Still, Epic hasn't really been anywhere that it needs to be brought back from. You don't need a GW sticker to allow you to play a game that is really similar to Space Marine/Titan Legions/Epic.
That's my beef, including all the brouhaha over scale. GW are putting this out to make money, sure, but it also seems engineered to hobble alternate 6mm sellers and anyone who thought of supporting them. (Even with several assertions that this game is 'just titans', there are still plenty of posters with visions of 8mm infantry armies dancing in front of their eyes) Then if this tanks thanks to GW's business-as-usual (far from a sure thing but not inconceivable - I remember Aeronautica Imperialis as an FW game that was popular until it wasn't) there'll be a lot breast-beating about how a lack of Adeptus Titanicus in the local store or club means that 6(-8)mm games are impossible...


Not this guy..
I've got Mordheim going with my kids
Epic is another story because it's really difficult to pin down the rules and people that know them and want to play. I'm also the type that will play 2nd ed or other previous editions of 40k when possible. Never played anything past 5th. I did try but it's just too bloated and a couple of things that cut across the grain of previous editions..

Anyway.. Adeptus Titanicus as it's own game could be cool. Compatibility and terrain. That's the sweet spot. Again though.. if people missed it.. according to the first page, this is NOT a revival of Epic. It could lead there but it's not what this is.


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Post by: Rayvon


I really hope that rumour is true, six plastic titans is more than I expected, I will defiantly be making a purchase if that is the case and more to the point, plenty of other people will too.

I have such fond memories of adeptus titanicus, it was my first GW game, I just hope they do the rules justice as well, it was a cracking ruleset.


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Post by: krazynadechukr


 MLaw wrote:
 Vermis wrote:
krazynadechukr wrote:This just came out the other day - from Andy Hoare, Mark Bedford and Chris Drew -

Spoiler:
8mm was deemed the best as you could see the details to the point of telling different armour marks apart


Well as long as the decision was based on something important.

Alpharius wrote:
I don't really care too much about the nitty gritty scale discussion and/or where they end up - so long as GW brings back an "Epic Scale" game that allows us to play a game that is really similar to Space Marine/Titan Legions/Epic!


I can't remember, Alf. Were you the one who said they were selling their big Epic armies a few pages back? (Not sarcastic; genuine question)

I dunno. I feel tired. Never fails to amaze me how people need GW to 'bring something back' before they'll touch it, although I've seen it for years in relation to Epic. I am interested to see any new, plastic titans, at a size closer to what they should have been, don't doubt that. But in the meantime we've had people beavering away on Netepic, NetE:A etc., and Vanguard, Onslaught, etc. ramping up production... does it leave folk completely cold? Still, Epic hasn't really been anywhere that it needs to be brought back from. You don't need a GW sticker to allow you to play a game that is really similar to Space Marine/Titan Legions/Epic.
That's my beef, including all the brouhaha over scale. GW are putting this out to make money, sure, but it also seems engineered to hobble alternate 6mm sellers and anyone who thought of supporting them. (Even with several assertions that this game is 'just titans', there are still plenty of posters with visions of 8mm infantry armies dancing in front of their eyes) Then if this tanks thanks to GW's business-as-usual (far from a sure thing but not inconceivable - I remember Aeronautica Imperialis as an FW game that was popular until it wasn't) there'll be a lot breast-beating about how a lack of Adeptus Titanicus in the local store or club means that 6(-8)mm games are impossible...


Not this guy..
I've got Mordheim going with my kids
Epic is another story because it's really difficult to pin down the rules and people that know them and want to play. I'm also the type that will play 2nd ed or other previous editions of 40k when possible. Never played anything past 5th. I did try but it's just too bloated and a couple of things that cut across the grain of previous editions..

Anyway.. Adeptus Titanicus as it's own game could be cool. Compatibility and terrain. That's the sweet spot. Again though.. if people missed it.. according to the first page, this is NOT a revival of Epic. It could lead there but it's not what this is.


Right from Andy Hoare, Mark Bedford and Chris Drew (creating this game) at the Horus Heresy event - "Down the road infantry and tanks are to be introduced. Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos which can be introduced in a themed expansion, e.g. Adeptus Titanicus: Armageddon to bring in the Orks. "

Let's hope!


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Post by: aka_mythos


There is an assumption that the rumors would refer to Warlord, Reaver, and Warhound Titans, but the FW designers early on said they were planning some more intermediate classes of Titans. It is probably safe to assume it would be the 3 classic titan patterns just because they already have the digital models and anything "new" will require them to design in the 40k scale and down size it, if the want to maintain the quality.


As an aside the prospect of a 10 inch tall Imperator Titan would be awesome. Even if FW doesn't make one you know people will make their own.


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Post by: MLaw


 aka_mythos wrote:
There is an assumption that the rumors would refer to Warlord, Reaver, and Warhound Titans, but the FW designers early on said they were planning some more intermediate classes of Titans. It is probably safe to assume it would be the 3 classic titan patterns just because they already have the digital models and anything "new" will require them to design in the 40k scale and down size it, if the want to maintain the quality.


As an aside the prospect of a 10 inch tall Imperator Titan would be awesome. Even if FW doesn't make one you know people will make their own.


TBH, I would expect something closer to 2 knights or warhounds and a Reaver.

RE:krazynadechukr - I did see that but right under it is the bit where they seemingly rule it out.. As it stands though, planning on seeing Epic at this point to me would be putting the cart before the horse. I do winder, if they go that route, if they would place more emphasis on flyers than the older version. If not, it would be really odd, seeing as how much they've integrated them into 40k..


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Post by: Silent Puffin?


krazynadechukr wrote:


Right from Andy Hoare, Mark Bedford and Chris Drew (creating this game) at the Horus Heresy event - "Down the road infantry and tanks are to be introduced. Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos which can be introduced in a themed expansion, e.g. Adeptus Titanicus: Armageddon to bring in the Orks. "

Let's hope!


Thats how Epic started in the first place.


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Post by: Crimson


 aka_mythos wrote:
There is an assumption that the rumors would refer to Warlord, Reaver, and Warhound Titans, but the FW designers early on said they were planning some more intermediate classes of Titans. It is probably safe to assume it would be the 3 classic titan patterns just because they already have the digital models and anything "new" will require them to design in the 40k scale and down size it, if the want to maintain the quality.


If the Warlord is six inches tall, I kinda doubt the starter would include two of them + four smaller titans + scenery. If the rumour is true, I find it much more likely that the two 'big' titans are Reavers and the smaller ones are Warhounds and/or knights.


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Post by: RiTides


Or that the warlord size is a little smaller (other recent rumors say Leviathan dreadnought sized) and then it would work. Maybe 2 Warlords and 4 Knights (2 bigger ones like Cerastus). Who knows, but I'm guessing the Warlord is going to be their focus - certainly not the Reaver!


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Post by: Crimson


 RiTides wrote:
Or that the warlord size is a little smaller (other recent rumors say Leviathan dreadnought sized) and then it would work. Maybe 2 Warlords and 4 Knights (2 bigger ones like Cerastus). Who knows, but I'm guessing the Warlord is going to be their focus - certainly not the Reaver!

Right, everyone will want a Warlord. So it makes financial sense to sell it separately at higher price rather than put it in the starter set.




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Post by: RiTides


Not if you're going by demand - i.e. the Knight kit and everyone wants several at least! I still think only the main box is likely to be plastic, and the Warlord lends itself to that better than anything imo.