krazynadechukr wrote: So, I just spoke to my GW manager last night (friend of 10+ years), who was recently in London and also the Heresy event. (He has given me solid info on rumors in the past like before AoS was widely known, Deathwatch heads up, and so on, including Cypher coming back...) Anyway, he says that inside Adeptus Titanicus starter box it will contain 6 plastic models (2 large, 2 medium, 2 small) with options, along with several new dice, a rulebook, several reference cards, counters, ruler stick thing, and (it looked like) 8 easy to assemble pieces of heavy card stock scenery that had plastic like borders for the cards to clip into, representing battle torn futuristic buildings. The rulebook contains rules for different types of gameplay, including basic skirmishes of 1 on 1 as well as massive battles for dozens against dozens. There is a large detailed Campaign too and stand alone scenarios. Several (or a dozen?) boxed sets are planned to also be coming out, so you can add to your Adeptus Titanicus army, at and after, general release of the boxed starter! As always, digest with some salt.
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I really am unsure of his info. This just came out the other day - from Andy Hoare, Mark Bedford and Chris Drew -
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"The game is set during the Horus Heresy in the spirit of the original Adeptus Titanicus. It will begin with just Titans. The scale will be 8mm – They decided on this scale after 3D printing a Marine, Dread, Leman Russ, Warlord and a Mastodon in three different scales. 8mm was deemed the best as you could see the details to the point of telling different armour marks apart but didn’t make the Titans too big. 8mm will make a Warlord around 6″ tall (that’s what it looked like when Andy Hoare put his hands apart, don’t blame me if the final model is smaller or larger…).
The models will be produced in resin by Forge World. Typical force may be in the region of two Warlords, two Reavers and two-three Warhounds. More Titan variants are possible. Down the road infantry and tanks are to be introduced. Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos which can be introduced in a themed expansion, e.g. Adeptus Titanicus: Armageddon to bring in the Orks. Currently the Titans are being 3D modelled by Chris Drew, the Warlord has been done as the 40k version was originally 3D modelled so it was a case of just scaling things down and getting it to work as a model which can be manufactured. We may, may, get to see something at the Forge World Open Day…(may, depending on Tony Cottrell)."
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It sounds too good to be true, i believe it when i see it.
If it is true i guess it will be 2 warlords, 2 reavers, 2 warhounds or knights?
RiTides wrote: Or that the warlord size is a little smaller (other recent rumors say Leviathan dreadnought sized) and then it would work. Maybe 2 Warlords and 4 Knights (2 bigger ones like Cerastus). Who knows, but I'm guessing the Warlord is going to be their focus - certainly not the Reaver!
It's possible but it kinda makes having a new "scale" kinda pointless if they're going to throw it out the window right away.
Jehan-reznor wrote: If it is true i guess it will be 2 warlords, 2 reavers, 2 warhounds or knights?
Two knights sounds off, if only because from the sound of things you're going to want to run knights in packs.
Which is why it doesn't sound off to me. 2 would be enough to play an intro scenario but for proper games you'd be buying more wouldn't you? That would make a lot of sense to me. You get 2 in the starter and can buy a pack of.. hmm.. I wonder what a retail blister of Knights would look like in this day and age? They're going to be what.. about the size of a 28mm gretchin (I think that's about how big stompas are). So maybe a smallish box of 3-5? How many does everyone think would be in a pack like that now? At the very end, Epic vehicles were.. what 3 to a little blister?
Jehan-reznor wrote: If it is true i guess it will be 2 warlords, 2 reavers, 2 warhounds or knights?
Two knights sounds off, if only because from the sound of things you're going to want to run knights in packs.
Which is why it doesn't sound off to me. 2 would be enough to play an intro scenario but for proper games you'd be buying more wouldn't you? That would make a lot of sense to me. You get 2 in the starter and can buy a pack of.. hmm.. I wonder what a retail blister of Knights would look like in this day and age? They're going to be what.. about the size of a 28mm gretchin (I think that's about how big stompas are). So maybe a smallish box of 3-5? How many does everyone think would be in a pack like that now? At the very end, Epic vehicles were.. what 3 to a little blister?
The old plastic Knight paladins were about the same size as a marine. Going to 8mm, I can see roughly terminator size for questoris knights (maybe sold in packs of 5 or 6? ) centurion size for cerastus knights, dreadnought size for the Acastus, slightly shorter but wider contemptor for the warhound, dreadknight size for the reaver, and riptide size for the Warlord.
The contents of the box don't have to be symmetrical though. It could be something like say a warlord and 2 knights vs a reaver and 2 warhounds.
Plus, even with plastic titans, they may not be the full versions- say something more like the calth contemptor vs the FW resin ones.
Was that confirmed for the actual game, or was that just for the 40k scale game that was being played and shown in the pictures ?
Manchu wrote: Disagree. Renegade was a great idea and a deal. The scale/subject of Adeptus Titanicus makes such a deal even more exciting.
Each to his own, I guess.
One on one titan action does not interest me that much, it seems silly to waste box space on plastic terrain, when you could have more titans instead.
Especially when there is already that game you linked.
Maybe i am hoping for too much.
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Vorian wrote: Yeah, with all the great deals in boxed games at the minute that seems like a misplaced complaint
How do You mean ?
The original had a boatload of titans in it.
None of the new boxed games apart from renegades had plastic terrain, and that sold mostly because of cheap knights.
Rayvon wrote: A game with plastic terrain and only a couple of titans would be a bit of let down to be honest
Disagree. Renegade was a great idea and a deal. The scale/subject of Adeptus Titanicus makes such a deal even more exciting.
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You have to keep things in context though. The reason Renegade was so popular was more because it was a good deal to get 2 Knights than it was a great idea for a standalone game. AT is going to have the problem that you can't just turn around and use the models in a regular 40k game, or even a regular Epic game because the scale is going to be different.
@ Rayvon, Oh, if you mean that they don't have terrain in its the let down that's different. I thought you meant the boxed games were a let down - when they've actually been very good value.
Of course they might have a starter and then just the terrain in a separate release.
When it comes to a new scale, having new terrain readily available is important - otherwise you're largely stuck playing on Planet Bowling Ball.
Needs to be a good mix in the box though.
Indeed, terrain is vital otherwise it's line up and shoot. You need something to maneuver round, cover your flanks with, ambush, etc. 8mm is a new scale for GW players, old and new. While old Epic buildings that some of us have will do after a fashion, getting a new raft of 8mm terrain could take a little while to sort out. Luckily 8mm appears to be equivalent to 1/200 scale - something which does have some support after a quick search...
Vorian wrote: @ Rayvon, Oh, if you mean that they don't have terrain in its the let down that's different. I thought you meant the boxed games were a let down - when they've actually been very good value.
Of course they might have a starter and then just the terrain in a separate release.
I basically meant that I would rather have more titans and less plastic terrain, I was not very clear, I see that now.
I know how important terrain is to the game, but if the plastic buildings are limiting the amount of titans in the box, I would prefer card stock ones or something similar.
That would be my ideal, I am still chuffed that they are working on it at all, I will probably like whatever they do with it after a game or two !!
Folks, it´s not a question of plastic terrain or not.
We are not even sure that we will get any plastic titans in the first place. So far, the FW team said they were gonna make them all in resin, and terrain in plastic.
The only way to be sure that we get plastic titans is to hear directly from them. Everything else is just speculation and whishlisting, unfortunately.
That rumour sounds to good to be true so it probably isn't
Ha But I've long thought about them having dual packages for the AT v.Next release (btw, those of you pointing out this isn't a new epic, kudos to you all). Remember we've got two very different groups they're trying to sweep up into the game. The first are the HH 30k players that never played AT or epic or had long ago but lack models. Number two they are also trying to get a very active Epic scene that's got plenty of existing collections full of Titans and 3rd party options to jump in as well. The former needs a full package. The latter won't touch it if they have to repurchase Titans as they already have them. If you lurk or read any of the Epic forums or FB groups there's a very similar conversation happening there, just reversed.
So my thinking is if FW is very aware and planning on a "thin" release of terrain and rules and a deluxe release with a few Titans thrown in as well. Might account for some of the confused signals we seem to be getting from them. OTOH, maybe they are just confused
Jimmy Zimms wrote: But I've long thought about them having dual packages for the AT v.Next release (btw, those of you pointing out this isn't a new epic, kudos to you all). Remember we've got two very different groups they're trying to sweep up into the game. The first are the HH 30k players that never played AT or epic or had long ago but lack models. Number two they are also trying to get a very active Epic scene that's got plenty of existing collections full of Titans and 3rd party options to jump in as well. The former needs a full package. The latter won't touch it if they have to repurchase Titans as they already have them. If you lurk or read any of the Epic forums or FB groups there's a very similar conversation happening there, just reversed.
So my thinking is if FW is very aware and planning on a "thin" release of terrain and rules and a deluxe release with a few Titans thrown in as well. Might account for some of the confused signals we seem to be getting from them. OTOH, maybe they are just confused
This has the potential to be the successor to Epic especially in light of the various comments of GW running test casts and what's been said on the rules writing. I reckon Blood Bowl has caused a rethink to their plans as that has blown up massively against what they were expecting which could explain a lot of the mixed messages. Originally, it was a terrain and rules starter box (think Epic40k players edition) with all resin Titans purchased separately. After Blood Bowl, that's now changed. I reckon they're currently in the process of trying to agree a slot for plastics tooling for one or more Titan Chassis. Blood Bowl and the delayed release in trying to get a release window in amongst GW's plans may mean there's more chance of a tooling slot for plastic chassis.
Oh of course it does have potential. Let us not forget that we got Epic in the first place as an outgrowth from the original AT game, after all. I don't believe anyone is discounting nor debating that (if they are then that's silly talk ). However as it stands this is a game, from what we know so far from the demo, is far closer to XWing and SW Armada then Epic as it stands now. If you remember all the way back to the first Edition that it basically crumbled under it's own weight rules-wise and was a rewrite to create 2nd edition starting a long glorious tradition of each version of Epic being a ground up rewrite! Just saying that without the armour and infantry and flyers combined arms that AT wasn't Epic and at this time, neither is this game. That's not to say that this is unwelcome, not cool as crap, and I, like probably much of the active 6mm wargamming community, very curious to see where this goes.
All that being said, I don't think it's really to the point I was making above that perspective and marketing are variable about this game. I'm seeing much discussion about lack of Titans being a killer for buy-in from what I suspect are primarily 28mm players. I happen to agree, not covering that need will be a colossal misstep. I just wanted to point out that the 6mm crowd is looking at this and is pretty adamant about avoiding a "titan tax" and just would like new scenery (something 6 and 10mm folks go gaga over like crackgheads) and the rules. I hope that FW is cognizant of this dichotomy, that's all.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: AT is going to have the problem that you can't just turn around and use the models in a regular 40k game, or even a regular Epic game because the scale is going to be different.
This just gets back to MDG's point about why it's important to sell terrain in the starter box.
If I recall, the original AT had grey polystyrene buildings (which actually weren't half bad).
Then SM had the card stock walled buildings with plastic roofs (pretty sturdy, few different colour schemes - again pretty good).
Interested to see where they go with this. I would have no qualms with using my old 6mm stuff (the old square infantry bases. not the silly gunline ones). Actually think it would look better in scale - and it's old HH-style rhinos/land raiders/beakies...
Aye. That's why I went through the bother of adding the descriptions stating one was from 2nd edition and the other was modern
I didn't say it was janky FOR THE TIME, just now it would be considered very basic. I suspect that most people in Dakka are unaware of the current quality and sophistication seen in modern 6-10mm terrain and models that are around. FW claims, and charges for, premium products. Well this is the type of terrain that would be considered on the higher end now and what I'd expect from FW (at least for add on parts). Those buildings they had in that demo were claimed by people (salt doses required) to be upscaled versions of the buildings they are planning to throw in. If so, and that's a big salty IF, then it's laughable unless it's very inexpensive...
Now sorry if the segue between answering Alpharius' inquiry and the other attachment made them seem more related in meaning. I wasn't trying to, more just throwing up some general knowledge about what's happening in the Epic community. A scale and game not as discussed here at Dakka. So if that came across snarky, or a ding, or was just unclear, mea culpas
Right from Andy Hoare, Mark Bedford and Chris Drew (creating this game) at the Horus Heresy event - "Down the road infantry and tanks are to be introduced. Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos which can be introduced in a themed expansion, e.g. Adeptus Titanicus: Armageddon to bring in the Orks. "
Let's hope!
Given that the answer to my question in the seminar on the Sunday of "Are knights the smallest size unit you are going to do are are you going to do smaller stuff" was along the lines of "No, knights are definitely the smallest we are going".
Right from Andy Hoare, Mark Bedford and Chris Drew (creating this game) at the Horus Heresy event - "Down the road infantry and tanks are to be introduced. Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos which can be introduced in a themed expansion, e.g. Adeptus Titanicus: Armageddon to bring in the Orks. "
Let's hope!
Given that the answer to my question in the seminar on the Sunday of "Are knights the smallest size unit you are going to do are are you going to do smaller stuff" was along the lines of "No, knights are definitely the smallest we are going".
Which is perfectly true, for AT.
They just had an eye at the beginning that it could possibly be successful and go from there in the future. Which is a perfectly sensible thing to do.
zedmeister wrote: To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if GW didn't do something modular with the building kits, similar to their 40k offerings...
With the advent of tons of available MDF scenery in 6-10-15mm scales etc. I don't think terrain will be a big issue. You can buy bags of suitable trees for $20 a pop (with 20-30 scaled trees in the bag) etc. I put together a very simple/quick Battletech table easily. I imagine the "starter" box will include plastic sprued buildings similar to the old Epic box.
zedmeister wrote: To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if GW didn't do something modular with the building kits, similar to their 40k offerings...
With the advent of tons of available MDF scenery in 6-10-15mm scales etc. I don't think terrain will be a big issue. You can buy bags of suitable trees for $20 a pop (with 20-30 scaled trees in the bag) etc. I put together a very simple/quick Battletech table easily. I imagine the "starter" box will include plastic sprued buildings similar to the old Epic box.
Given the advanced notice, I'm pretty sure a number of MDF scenery producers are gearing up for this so they will have a number of buildings day 1.
Alpharius wrote: The terrain from Space Marine/Titan Legions was actually pretty good - cardstock building walls and plastic roofs?
These ones. Good for the time but pretty janky for what's available in the 6-10mm world now
Why because they're cardstock? Battle Systems has shown that there's plenty of people who don't disqualify terrain on those merits. I know there are going to be mixed feelings across the community but I'd rather cover a table in the 2nd edition buildings than only being able to afford 2'x2' of the newer ones.
zedmeister wrote: To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if GW didn't do something modular with the building kits, similar to their 40k offerings...
With the advent of tons of available MDF scenery in 6-10-15mm scales etc. I don't think terrain will be a big issue. You can buy bags of suitable trees for $20 a pop (with 20-30 scaled trees in the bag) etc. I put together a very simple/quick Battletech table easily. I imagine the "starter" box will include plastic sprued buildings similar to the old Epic box.
Given the advanced notice, I'm pretty sure a number of MDF scenery producers are gearing up for this so they will have a number of buildings day 1.
that and there's been loads of secondary market producers for that scale crop up too.. 10mm (dropship commander, horizon wars, etc) is only a tad larger and there are ranges out there suited for that lot.
Alpharius wrote: The terrain from Space Marine/Titan Legions was actually pretty good - cardstock building walls and plastic roofs?
These ones. Good for the time but pretty janky for what's available in the 6-10mm world now
Why because they're cardstock? Battle Systems has shown that there's plenty of people who don't disqualify terrain on those merits. I know there are going to be mixed feelings across the community but I'd rather cover a table in the 2nd edition buildings than only being able to afford 2'x2' of the newer ones.
Exactly - And the cardstock ones are ready to go out of the box - little to no painting required!
I'd much rather have more plastic titans, and just buy a pack of a whole bunch of Dropzone Commander cardstock buildings for 30 bucks, which include about a 6x4 table of flat card terrain tiles, too.
The problem I have with those is the same problem I have with a lot of third party terrain - it's not 40K enough for me. I don't want to battle over a cardstock slighty-futuristic-New York, I want something I can use to greeble up a mental hive city table. And I've yet to see MDF terrain that didn't look like just that, layers of MDF glued together(and even if it did exist, it would have to be sold in-country given how extortionate international shipping is for heavy stuff).
YMMV of course, but honestly the plastic terrain bit was the only part of the original rumour I liked, even given how overpriced GW terrain typically is for what you get.
Exactly - And the cardstock ones are ready to go out of the box - little to no painting required!
Ha! True that! Hopefully that wasn't coming off as critical of using cardstock. There's MOST DEFINITE a market and place for it! Just that I expect some some boutique quality with those FW prices. You make a good point though about good enough in the box, sell aftermarket.
Yodhrin wrote: The problem I have with those is the same problem I have with a lot of third party terrain - it's not 40K enough for me. I don't want to battle over a cardstock slighty-futuristic-New York, I want something I can use to greeble up a mental hive city table. And I've yet to see MDF terrain that didn't look like just that, layers of MDF glued together(and even if it did exist, it would have to be sold in-country given how extortionate international shipping is for heavy stuff).
YMMV of course, but honestly the plastic terrain bit was the only part of the original rumour I liked, even given how overpriced GW terrain typically is for what you get.
But this guy^^^ There's a gamer after my heart. I'm just one of those idiots that wants his table to like these
Damnit, looking at those, I really regret not stocking up on the old Forgeworld Terrain. The Cathedral and Tank Factory were gorgeous...
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Yodhrin wrote: The problem I have with those is the same problem I have with a lot of third party terrain - it's not 40K enough for me. I don't want to battle over a cardstock slighty-futuristic-New York, I want something I can use to greeble up a mental hive city table. And I've yet to see MDF terrain that didn't look like just that, layers of MDF glued together(and even if it did exist, it would have to be sold in-country given how extortionate international shipping is for heavy stuff).
YMMV of course, but honestly the plastic terrain bit was the only part of the original rumour I liked, even given how overpriced GW terrain typically is for what you get.
Definitely with you there. Especially when it comes to miniatures. I've seen plenty of the 6mm manufacturers such as Exodus Wars (are they still going?), Onslaught and all the rest and while they put out some nice product, it doesn't have the 40k aesthetic. And in this day and age there isn't any new Epic unless you're prepared to go down the illicit route of recasters or turn to the dubious garage casters re-making 40k pieces into Epic scale to get my Epic fix...
I feel like I'll want something more substantial than the DzC buildings - they're not cardstock, but actually foldable paper. I'm not against cardstock totally, but I'd want something more in line with Battle System's offerings.
When does one become the other? Is there an ISO standard thickness for when paper -> card?
Hawk Wargames do those card buildings ad PDF downloads, so you can print them out (and scale them if they're the wrong size) and glue them to something more sturdy if need be. A friend of mine printed a load out at 60% size and was gluing them to blocks of foam to use in Epic.
RiTides wrote: I feel like I'll want something more substantial than the DzC buildings - they're not cardstock, but actually foldable paper. I'm not against cardstock totally, but I'd want something more in line with Battle System's offerings.
I know it kinda somewhat defeats the purpose but you could back them with old cereal boxes and similar.. OR.. make foamcore inserts.. I've seen similar done for the Infinity buildings to make them more rigid. Lots of great videos on youtube.
Scale comes up here often enough... this isn't to say GW will stick with the 8mm scale or that this new AT will consistently apply scale but it should give perspective and give us a sense of how much they deviate from the stated "8mm scale".
Unit------- height of 8mm model -------- Comparable 40k model
Paladin --------- 43mm (~1.7) ------------Marine Centurion (45mm)
Warhound ------76mm (~3) ---------------Contemptor Dreadnought (3")
Reaver ---------127mm (~5) --------------Thanatar (5")
Warlord --------152mm (~6) --------------Knight Paladin (6")
Imperator ------254mm (~10.3) ---------Warhound Titan (10.5")
Exactly - And the cardstock ones are ready to go out of the box - little to no painting required!
Ha! True that! Hopefully that wasn't coming off as critical of using cardstock. There's MOST DEFINITE a market and place for it! Just that I expect some some boutique quality with those FW prices. You make a good point though about good enough in the box, sell aftermarket.
Yodhrin wrote: The problem I have with those is the same problem I have with a lot of third party terrain - it's not 40K enough for me. I don't want to battle over a cardstock slighty-futuristic-New York, I want something I can use to greeble up a mental hive city table. And I've yet to see MDF terrain that didn't look like just that, layers of MDF glued together(and even if it did exist, it would have to be sold in-country given how extortionate international shipping is for heavy stuff).
YMMV of course, but honestly the plastic terrain bit was the only part of the original rumour I liked, even given how overpriced GW terrain typically is for what you get.
But this guy^^^ There's a gamer after my heart. I'm just one of those idiots that wants his table to like these
The thing is.. I don't really see any city buildings on those tables. Most of that isn't anything we would expect (or hope) to see in the starter box. I do offer that 15mm scenery could serve you for those landing pads and similar. Landing pads tend to be pretty scale independent anyway and being large probably won't raise any eyebrows the way being small might. Heck, I think I'm actually about to scour some 15mm and 28mm scenery and see if I can't find some of those generic things that might serve as a stopgap.. EDIT: An immediate hit.. the GW Promethium Pipes.. Which.. I never would have though I would have considered buying.. but I remember playing Final Liberation and having those freakin pipes blow up with my guys next to them all the time.
Manchu wrote: The purported building designs for the coming box set are not that much more gothic:
If the terrain is plastic, those buildings look like they could use a panel system similar to the existing 40k Imperial sector kits.
Fingers crossed there will be news about the game at WH fest in May(sooo long ). Until then I hope the clear passion and enthusiasm for AT and the possibility's it represents doesn't get peoples hopes up too high. I'm going to try and stick to assuming resin titans and cardstock terrain, that way anything else should be a pleasant surprise instead of a terrible disappointment
MLaw wrote: The thing is.. I don't really see any city buildings on those tables. Most of that isn't anything we would expect (or hope) to see in the starter box. I do offer that 15mm scenery could serve you for those landing pads and similar. Landing pads tend to be pretty scale independent anyway and being large probably won't raise any eyebrows the way being small might. Heck, I think I'm actually about to scour some 15mm and 28mm scenery and see if I can't find some of those generic things that might serve as a stopgap..
EDIT: An immediate hit.. the GW Promethium Pipes.. Which.. I never would have though I would have considered buying.. but I remember playing Final Liberation and having those freakin pipes blow up with my guys next to them all the time.
Something like this is more what I'd love:
Chuck in a few forests, a river and an airbase and I'd be set!
aka_mythos wrote: Scale comes up here often enough... this isn't to say GW will stick with the 8mm scale or that this new AT will consistently apply scale but it should give perspective and give us a sense of how much they deviate from the stated "8mm scale".
Unit------- height of 8mm model -------- Comparable 40k model
Paladin --------- 43mm (~1.7) ------------Marine Centurion (45mm)
Warhound ------76mm (~3) ---------------Contemptor Dreadnought (3")
Reaver ---------127mm (~5) --------------Thanatar (5")
Warlord --------152mm (~6) --------------Knight Paladin (6")
Imperator ------254mm (~10.3) ---------Warhound Titan (10.5")
If a warlord is the same size of a 40k scale knight, I would expect it to be priced accordingly.
Which means that if we get only two of them in the box set, we are looking at a 250 euro price range. (two warlords, terrain, rulebook).
Very unlikely.
Unless it's a super good deal like imperial knight:renegade, which was 120 pounds, apparently.
It's just occured to me that, if those scales above are accurate, they may make the smaller, more numerous pieces (Warhounds, Knights) in plastics and the bigger, rarer stuff in Resin...
May mean the starter set could be, say 10 Knights and 4 Warhounds?
Yodhrin wrote: The problem I have with those is the same problem I have with a lot of third party terrain - it's not 40K enough for me. I don't want to battle over a cardstock slighty-futuristic-New York, I want something I can use to greeble up a mental hive city table. And I've yet to see MDF terrain that didn't look like just that, layers of MDF glued together(and even if it did exist, it would have to be sold in-country given how extortionate international shipping is for heavy stuff).
YMMV of course, but honestly the plastic terrain bit was the only part of the original rumour I liked, even given how overpriced GW terrain typically is for what you get.
I understand that, I really do, but the situation for me (and likely many players and potential players) is that the choice may really be more like "battle over a cardstock slighty-futuristic-New York" or no battle at all. As much as I want the cooler looking gaming tables pictured already, I'm more likely to be playing with the more attainable cardboard box terrain like the DZC stuff.
Carnikang wrote: You know guys, the Imperium is varied and full of different cultures. I'm sure there will be a setting for EVERY kind of building possible.
Hives are usually what we think when we think 40K buildings, but there's nothing stopping a world from having modern day buildings, just bigger.
aka_mythos wrote: Scale comes up here often enough... this isn't to say GW will stick with the 8mm scale or that this new AT will consistently apply scale but it should give perspective and give us a sense of how much they deviate from the stated "8mm scale".
Unit------- height of 8mm model -------- Comparable 40k model
Paladin --------- 43mm (~1.7) ------------Marine Centurion (45mm)
Warhound ------76mm (~3) ---------------Contemptor Dreadnought (3")
Reaver ---------127mm (~5) --------------Thanatar (5")
Warlord --------152mm (~6) --------------Knight Paladin (6")
Imperator ------254mm (~10.3) ---------Warhound Titan (10.5")
If a warlord is the same size of a 40k scale knight, I would expect it to be priced accordingly.
Which means that if we get only two of them in the box set, we are looking at a 250 euro price range. (two warlords, terrain, rulebook).
Very unlikely.
Unless it's a super good deal like imperial knight:renegade, which was 120 pounds, apparently.
The original plan was resin Titans sold seperately from a starter kit of just the rulebook and plastic terrain... I think with the successful of Blood Bowl it's put a lot into flux and GW/FW/SG are very likely to have changed its plans. Some say plastic Titans, some say they're smaller than the previously stated 8mm scale... as far as we know they decided to scale Titans down to 6mm for economic reasons.
Going from 6mm -> 8mm was only really appealing from the perspective of infantry and tanks being better scaled. If the game focus ONLY on big walkers I'm happier for them to go down to 6mm or even 4mm.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Going from 6mm -> 8mm was only really appealing from the perspective of infantry and tanks being better scaled. If the game focus ONLY on big walkers I'm happier for them to go down to 6mm or even 4mm.
Some of the statements made by the creators make it clear that while infantry and vehicles won't be in the initial release, they are an option in the future.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Going from 6mm -> 8mm was only really appealing from the perspective of infantry and tanks being better scaled. If the game focus ONLY on big walkers I'm happier for them to go down to 6mm or even 4mm.
This is where it's important to consider that while the original Epic game was scaled "6mm," in reality GW didn't adhere to that, where infantry were 6mm, but vehicles were one scale, flyers another scale, and Titans yet another... Had the original Titan miniatures been properly scaled to the infantry they'd have almost been double the size.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Going from 6mm -> 8mm was only really appealing from the perspective of infantry and tanks being better scaled. If the game focus ONLY on big walkers I'm happier for them to go down to 6mm or even 4mm.
This is where it's important to consider that while the original Epic game was scaled "6mm," in reality GW didn't adhere to that, where infantry were 6mm, but vehicles were one scale, flyers another scale, and Titans yet another... Had the original Titan miniatures been properly scaled to the infantry they'd have almost been double the size.
Yeah I'm aware GW's old 6mm scale was whacky (FW's Epic stuff was better scaled), my point was going to 8mm mainly seemed and advantage from the infantry perspective, not the "giant walker" perspective. While I'd like an Imperator Titan, I don't particularly want it to be the size of a 40k Warhound and cost £350. If it's focusing on the big stuff I'd rather it go down to 6mm or 4mm.
Also what sizes are you using as the basis for your estimations? Your calcs seem to be a bit larger than mine (assuming 6mm and 8mm means that 6mm = 6ft and 8mm = 6ft respectively).
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Going from 6mm -> 8mm was only really appealing from the perspective of infantry and tanks being better scaled. If the game focus ONLY on big walkers I'm happier for them to go down to 6mm or even 4mm.
This is where it's important to consider that while the original Epic game was scaled "6mm," in reality GW didn't adhere to that, where infantry were 6mm, but vehicles were one scale, flyers another scale, and Titans yet another... Had the original Titan miniatures been properly scaled to the infantry they'd have almost been double the size.
Also what sizes are you using as the basis for your estimations? Your calcs seem to be a bit larger than mine (assuming 6mm and 8mm means that 6mm = 6ft and 8mm = 6ft respectively).
In fairness the 6mm scale heights are more just estimates... The 8mm was based on the measured 40k model heights in some instances and the canonical heights in others, tending towards the lesser of the two when both were available.
It's important to note that the "8mm scale" is a height to eye scale and not a height to head scale, that 6ft = 9.14mm in the 8mm scale.
For example, Warlord Titans are stated to be 100ft tall and the model is 22.5 inches tall.
100 ft = 1200 inches
1828.8mm ~ 9.14mm => .004997 => 5.997 inches
Or using standard practices, 8mm has a 1/200 scale factor
1200/200 = 6 inches
Giving us 6 inches in the 8mm scale
22.5 inches in the 28mm scale
Factor: 28mm / 8mm = 3.5
3.5 = 22.5 / X
X =22.5 inches / 3.5 = 6.4 inches in the 8mm scale
IF FW misapplied the 8mm scale... as 8mm = 6ft...
1828.8mm ~ 8mm => .004374 => 5.24 inches.
...and that would explain the scale discrepancies. It also makes apparent that FW's "8mm scale" is as close to the 6mm scale as it to the 8mm scale and is actually closer to some hypothetical 7mm scale. I guess this Epic - 8mm is the equivalent to GW's Heroic 28mm.
It's important to note that the "8mm scale" is a height to eye scale and not a height to head scale, that 6ft = 9.14mm in the 8mm scale.
Old Epic 40k models are 6mm to the top of the head rather than the eye (there's some oddball models like the Chaplain that are about 7mm tall, but most are 5.5-6mm tall).
My understanding is that "mm" scales can mean either to the top of the head or to the eyes. I've heard people say the "to the eyes" thing came because military models often wear helmets, but I've also heard the "to the eyes" thing just came because of scale creep.
Anywho, if your reference is to the eye, old Epic was closer to 5mm scale than 6mm scale.
Also what sizes are you using as the basis for your estimations? Your calcs seem to be a bit larger than mine (assuming 6mm and 8mm means that 6mm = 6ft and 8mm = 6ft respectively).
In fairness the 6mm scale heights are more just estimates... The 8mm was based on the measured 40k model heights in some instances and the canonical heights in others, tending towards the lesser of the two when both were available.
It's important to note that the "8mm scale" is a height to eye scale and not a height to head scale, that 6ft = 9.14mm in the 8mm scale.
IF FW misapplied the 8mm scale... as 8mm = 6ft....
I know a number of older grognards who would scoff at that. Foot to top of head was old school 6mm. Part of the reason many 6mm minis don't look right next to each other is down to some makers doing to top of head and other to eye which leads to scale difference. As the above poster quoted the big hats many soldiers had (18 century onwards in particular) has been used to explain that. A friend would often point out that is bollocks, any sculptor knows head proportions and can still do 'proper' 6mm to top of head even if it has a big hat on.
Also what sizes are you using as the basis for your estimations? Your calcs seem to be a bit larger than mine (assuming 6mm and 8mm means that 6mm = 6ft and 8mm = 6ft respectively).
In fairness the 6mm scale heights are more just estimates... The 8mm was based on the measured 40k model heights in some instances and the canonical heights in others, tending towards the lesser of the two when both were available.
It's important to note that the "8mm scale" is a height to eye scale and not a height to head scale, that 6ft = 9.14mm in the 8mm scale.
IF FW misapplied the 8mm scale... as 8mm = 6ft....
I know a number of older grognards who would scoff at that. Foot to top of head was old school 6mm. Part of the reason many 6mm minis don't look right next to each other is down to some makers doing to top of head and other to eye which leads to scale difference. As the above poster quoted the big hats many soldiers had (18 century onwards in particular) has been used to explain that. A friend would often point out that is bollocks, any sculptor knows head proportions and can still do 'proper' 6mm to top of head even if it has a big hat on.
The 6mm scale is a top of the head scale, where 5.7mm is the to the eye height... however the 8mm scale, as I said, is a to the eye scale and 9.14mm is the top of head height. So no grognards should have been hurt.
aka_mythos wrote: The 6mm scale is a top of the head scale, where 5.7mm is the to the eye height... however the 8mm scale, as I said, is a to the eye scale and 9.14mm is the top of head height. So no grognards should have been hurt.
I don't think it's etched in stone anywhere that 8mm is measured to the eye and 6mm is measured to the top of the head.
6mm can be either 1/300 or 1/285, 1/285 is closer to the eye, 1/300 is closer to the top of the head.
...that lists 8mm being as equivalent to 1/200, but you'll note the "8mm" is written in the right column while "1/200" is in the left column, meaning that 1/200 is the ACTUAL scale and 8mm is just what they estimate as the equivalent. I'm not actually aware of any actual 8mm ranges, they probably exist in some obscure corner of wargaming though
That website also lists 6mm as being the equivalent of 1/268, which, err, would mean a 6ft tall person would be *whips out abacus* 6.82mm tall, that's waaaay bigger than GW's old Epic scale which we call "6mm".
1/200 is a bit big for 8mm I think. If you look at the proportions of an adult male the height to the top of the head should be roughly 6-7% larger than the height to the eye, so a person who is 8mm to the eye should be ~8.5mm to the top of their head, where as a 6ft tall person in 1/200 scale would be 6*12*25.4/200 = 9.144mm tall.
EDIT: I think at the end of the day wargaming companies suck at scaling miniatures and are a long way from being consistent across ranges, we're lucky if they're consistent within their own range Maybe that's why we have "mm" scales in the first place, they didn't want to commit to an actual ratio
Vorian wrote: So long as it's consistent throughout the range... who cares? :p
Well the topic just came up because we were guessing at the heights of different models and aka's heights seemed to be a decent chunk larger than what I was guessing.
Based on people saying a Warlord Titan is going to be roughly the height of a Thanatar it'd make me think they're in the 1/220 to 1/240ish range?
Also we know GW is rarely self consistent through their ranges, FW is usually slightly better.
Well, to repeat myself from earlier - the 40k scale version was just x4 for all measurements so perhaps the AT stuff is just quarter sized and they call it 8mm as a shorthand
Vorian wrote: Well, to repeat myself from earlier - the 40k scale version was just x4 for all measurements so perhaps the AT stuff is just quarter sized and they call it 8mm as a shorthand
Well, 1/4 size 40k or 1/3 larger than Epic 40k is basically the same thing. 1/4 of 40k's 28mm is 7mm to the eyes, or 1/3 larger than Epic's 6mm would be 8mm to the top of the head, which is reasonably close to each other.
Carnikang wrote:Hives are usually what we think when we think 40K buildings
This is what I think of in terms of a hive city. Compared to that, regular 40K terrain is a slightly gothic New York.
That's awesome . This whole thing has gotten me interested in the 40k background again, will be cool to have a game that captures a little of that "epic" scale (and maybe even more down the line if this release goes well).
This thread reminds me that I saw quite a few "fan Marines" sculpts and "fan Renegades (including psyker)" on Dakka a while ago. If those models can still be had and someone knows how and where well, send me a raven, will ya.
Turning Nurglings into mini-me knights (or chubby unicorn beastmen) or the ST Moonface into a Ratling astropath is still not fiddly enough! I need to go smaller!
Vorian wrote: So long as it's consistent throughout the range... who cares? :p
Well the topic just came up because we were guessing at the heights of different models and aka's heights seemed to be a decent chunk larger than what I was guessing.
Based on people saying a Warlord Titan is going to be roughly the height of a Thanatar it'd make me think they're in the 1/220 to 1/240ish range?
Also we know GW is rarely self consistent through their ranges, FW is usually slightly better.
Why is anyone guessing at the height of a Warlord.. there are pictures of it on page 1.. It looks about the size of a Contemptor Dreadnought from the picture..
EDIT: Just looked again.. maybe somewhere between Contemptor and Knight (in 28mm). At most it would be the size of the 15mm Dreamforge Leviathan.
Carnikang wrote:Hives are usually what we think when we think 40K buildings
This is what I think of in terms of a hive city. Compared to that, regular 40K terrain is a slightly gothic New York.
TO be fair, that's just a chart. The inside has level upon level of stacked buildings of varyign size and height. Not to mention there are spaces where you have nothing but New York-esque buildings. Usuaully these are just Hab-Blocks.
This is a peice of art I usually think of when someone says Hive. The outside is cool and all, but inside is what I visualize. The dark, stacked Gotham-like buildings and industrial feel.
Carnikang wrote:Hives are usually what we think when we think 40K buildings
This is what I think of in terms of a hive city. Compared to that, regular 40K terrain is a slightly gothic New York.
To be fair, Hive Primaris is one of the biggest and most ancient hives in the whole Imperium and would require something like a 5m x 5m table and be almost 8m tall in 8mm scale. In 40K scale even representing a small section of a small hive is a mental undertaking only GW have yet been crazed enough to attempt(and no wonder, since if you didn't have the ability to run off a few thousand terrain sprues for virtually nothing it would cost most normal people a lifetime's wages to build that HUEG display at Warhammer World), so we get the "vanilla" Civilised World gothic apartment blocks - in 8mm/"heroic 6mm" though? You could fit a modest mile-or-so tall hive spire into a 4'x4' table, or better yet 6x4 with some of the "urban sprawl" around the base, then a second 6x4 table split between sprawl and ash-waste with a huge curtain wall across it.
Or you could go earlier and have a proto-hive where sections of what will become the Spire are still large but semi-distinct buildings.
Like I say though, I mainly want the 8mm gothic terrain to greeble larger structures, as that's one thing that's always been missing for me in the 40K terrain - the sense of cyclopean scale that's always described in the novels and codices. I actually think a lot of the 40K terrain will repurpose for HUEG 8mm buildings pretty easily with some extra small-scale detailing.
Carnikang wrote:Hives are usually what we think when we think 40K buildings
This is what I think of in terms of a hive city. Compared to that, regular 40K terrain is a slightly gothic New York.
TO be fair, that's just a chart. The inside has level upon level of stacked buildings of varyign size and height. Not to mention there are spaces where you have nothing but New York-esque buildings. Usuaully these are just Hab-Blocks.
This is a peice of art I usually think of when someone says Hive. The outside is cool and all, but inside is what I visualize. The dark, stacked Gotham-like buildings and industrial feel.
Hmm, I disagree. The thing you have to remember about Hive Primaris(ie Necromunda) is that it's all spire, both because it's so monstrously large and ancient and because the surface of Necromunda is so hostile any urban sprawl that wasn't absorbed into the spire proper was wrecked and buried aeons ago. A "normal" hive on a less inhospitable world would look more like Vervunhive from the Ghosts novels:
The main spire is there still, but it's smaller and surrounded by large buildings & urban districts that are open to the sky, and those are what images like your one there depict IMO. Spires themselves aren't hollow cones, they're near-solid warrens of hab-tunnels and manufactories, and where cavities exist they would fall into three main groups: isolated freakish pockets of ruin in the Sump/Underhive that hadn't been crushed or collapsed; large functional spaces for air circulation, old light shafts, heat vents and so forth; and the spiretop estates of the fabulously wealthy nobility(and even then, most of those would also be near-solid warrens of servant quarters and storage warehouses etc, with only a few large "open" areas where the nobles themselves reside). Living in an all-spire hive like Hive Primaris would be much like living within one of the Imperium's starships - a life lived mostly in enclosed spaces with no conception of what a normal city would be like, even one enclosed within a metal shell rather than open to the sky.
Like I say though, I mainly want the 8mm gothic terrain to greeble larger structures, as that's one thing that's always been missing for me in the 40K terrain - the sense of cyclopean scale that's always described in the novels and codices. I actually think a lot of the 40K terrain will repurpose for HUEG 8mm buildings pretty easily with some extra small-scale detailing.
Oh yeah, with a bit of knife work the Imperial bastion and Fortress of redemption kits would make a great base for that kind of terrain.
Carnikang wrote:Hives are usually what we think when we think 40K buildings
This is what I think of in terms of a hive city. Compared to that, regular 40K terrain is a slightly gothic New York.
To be fair, Hive Primaris is one of the biggest and most ancient hives in the whole Imperium and would require something like a 5m x 5m table and be almost 8m tall in 8mm scale. In 40K scale even representing a small section of a small hive is a mental undertaking only GW have yet been crazed enough to attempt(and no wonder, since if you didn't have the ability to run off a few thousand terrain sprues for virtually nothing it would cost most normal people a lifetime's wages to build that HUEG display at Warhammer World), so we get the "vanilla" Civilised World gothic apartment blocks - in 8mm/"heroic 6mm" though? You could fit a modest mile-or-so tall hive spire into a 4'x4' table, or better yet 6x4 with some of the "urban sprawl" around the base, then a second 6x4 table split between sprawl and ash-waste with a huge curtain wall across it.
Or you could go earlier and have a proto-hive where sections of what will become the Spire are still large but semi-distinct buildings.
Like I say though, I mainly want the 8mm gothic terrain to greeble larger structures, as that's one thing that's always been missing for me in the 40K terrain - the sense of cyclopean scale that's always described in the novels and codices. I actually think a lot of the 40K terrain will repurpose for HUEG 8mm buildings pretty easily with some extra small-scale detailing.
Carnikang wrote:Hives are usually what we think when we think 40K buildings
This is what I think of in terms of a hive city. Compared to that, regular 40K terrain is a slightly gothic New York.
TO be fair, that's just a chart. The inside has level upon level of stacked buildings of varyign size and height. Not to mention there are spaces where you have nothing but New York-esque buildings. Usuaully these are just Hab-Blocks.
This is a peice of art I usually think of when someone says Hive. The outside is cool and all, but inside is what I visualize. The dark, stacked Gotham-like buildings and industrial feel.
Hmm, I disagree. The thing you have to remember about Hive Primaris(ie Necromunda) is that it's all spire, both because it's so monstrously large and ancient and because the surface of Necromunda is so hostile any urban sprawl that wasn't absorbed into the spire proper was wrecked and buried aeons ago. A "normal" hive on a less inhospitable world would look more like Vervunhive from the Ghosts novels:
The main spire is there still, but it's smaller and surrounded by large buildings & urban districts that are open to the sky, and those are what images like your one there depict IMO. Spires themselves aren't hollow cones, they're near-solid warrens of hab-tunnels and manufactories, and where cavities exist they would fall into three main groups: isolated freakish pockets of ruin in the Sump/Underhive that hadn't been crushed or collapsed; large functional spaces for air circulation, old light shafts, heat vents and so forth; and the spiretop estates of the fabulously wealthy nobility(and even then, most of those would also be near-solid warrens of servant quarters and storage warehouses etc, with only a few large "open" areas where the nobles themselves reside). Living in an all-spire hive like Hive Primaris would be much like living within one of the Imperium's starships - a life lived mostly in enclosed spaces with no conception of what a normal city would be like, even one enclosed within a metal shell rather than open to the sky.
I get where you're going but gaming with the type of terrain you mention would be like playing on a steeple or the foot of a cliff.. The hive cities are so dense that it's all basically a superstructure. As has been made clear through many sources of fluff, the Imperium of Man is constructed of far more than just overpopulated hive cities. Though they are a defining feature of the absurdity of the setting and just the general tone of how cheap life is in the 41st millennium, they tend to almost never be the focal point of stories, video games, comics, etc set in the universe.
If your going to depict part of a hive city in a Titan combat game your fairly limited due to there size. The outskirts of the hive with a combo of wasteland and urban/industrial sprawl would work best IMO. For anything closer to the core of the hive, Titans would be fighting in a really restricted environment. Major roadways and wide avenues between buildings would be the only places they could fit. With most of these buildings being many times the size of the Titans themselves it would be more like a 40k zone mortalis board.
No to distract from the topic at hand... but if one even wanted to play Epic right now during the wait for whatever form AT ends up taking, what would they play? There seems to be like three variations of NetEpic, from "Tournament Pack" to Gold, etc...
What does Force-Org even look like for those games, when Titans can be fielded alongside stands of Ork Boyz???
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: No to distract from the topic at hand... but if one even wanted to play Epic right now during the wait for whatever form AT ends up taking, what would they play? There seems to be like three variations of NetEpic, from "Tournament Pack" to Gold, etc...
What does Force-Org even look like for those games, when Titans can be fielded alongside stands of Ork Boyz???
The tournament pack is an expanded selection of army lists as GW only made a handful before abandoning E:A. There are couple of minor rules tweaks as well.
Generally speaking you will pick formations (Armour, infantry etc) which can then have certain upgrades like AA vehicles. My Marine army for instance has 4 Tactical detachments (6 infantry, 3 Rhinos), 1 Assault (4 infantry), 2 Devastator (4 infantry, 2 rhinos), 1 Armour (4 Predators), 2 Bikes (5 bike stands) etc as well as some upgrades like Razorbacks and Hunters.
Vorian wrote: So long as it's consistent throughout the range... who cares? :p
Well the topic just came up because we were guessing at the heights of different models and aka's heights seemed to be a decent chunk larger than what I was guessing.
Based on people saying a Warlord Titan is going to be roughly the height of a Thanatar it'd make me think they're in the 1/220 to 1/240ish range?
Also we know GW is rarely self consistent through their ranges, FW is usually slightly better.
Why is anyone guessing at the height of a Warlord.. there are pictures of it on page 1.. It looks about the size of a Contemptor Dreadnought from the picture..
EDIT: Just looked again.. maybe somewhere between Contemptor and Knight (in 28mm). At most it would be the size of the 15mm Dreamforge Leviathan.
My understanding was that wasn't actually an AT model but rather a "for funsies" sculpt they did back in 2015 when the Warlord first came out. One advantage of designing models in CAD is that you can just scale the model down or up and 3D print a scaled version (though actually making the moulds to mass produce may still be a lot of work, but producing a 1 off downscaled 3D print is often not all that difficult).
So AT may or may not be the same scale as that model.
Here's a great image I found as food for thought- though it's obviously not an official miniature. Not a fan of bootleg minis, but I'm sure this is the same one-off as the Reavers I have seen, as not only are the marines non-official, there's an Angron at the bottom of the pic, too.
AegisGrimm wrote: Here's a great image I found as food for thought- though it's obviously not an official miniature. Not a fan of bootleg minis, but I'm sure this is the same one-off as the Reavers I have seen, as not only are the marines non-official, there's an Angron at the bottom of the pic, too.
GW definitely has the ability to do this well:
That dude looks about 100mm tall ball park.
But yeah, I love the look of Epic scale titans, to me they look so much cooler than 40k scale titans. When I see a 40k scale titan I just think "that's neither something I want on my display shelf nor something I want to attempt to play a game with"
It'd be so awesome to see Epic completely redone, just a couple of sprues per army like we're getting with BB would be awesome, as much as I love Epic a lot of the old models look pretty wonky.
MLaw wrote:I get where you're going but gaming with the type of terrain you mention would be like playing on a steeple or the foot of a cliff.. The hive cities are so dense that it's all basically a superstructure.
Well, to be fair, you could have a game of 40K or even Epic on one of those platforms poking out of the side of the spire. And foot-of-a-cliff wouldn't be so bad either - a board based on the outskirts of a hive spire could look something like one of those LotR Pelennor boards with Minas Tirith's walls taking up one edge of the board. Except much more monolithic, greebly, and skully. Whack on interchangeable hive entrances, atmospheric processor/filter stations etc. etc. to take or defend. Yes... How much blue foam and model kit greebles can I get my hands on?
Though they are a defining feature of the absurdity of the setting and just the general tone of how cheap life is in the 41st millennium, they tend to almost never be the focal point of stories, video games, comics, etc set in the universe.
That particular titan is resin and costs just over £90. The other minis from that manufacturer are all fairly expensive as well, a Leman Russ is £6.50 which is even worse than the ridiculous prices that GW were charging before the abandoned Epic.
Hopefully GW can do a lot better in terms of price this time.
That particular titan is resin and costs just over £90. The other minis from that manufacturer are all fairly expensive as well, a Leman Russ is £6.50 which is even worse than the ridiculous prices that GW were charging before the abandoned Epic.
Hopefully GW can do a lot better in terms of price this time.
Yeah, I didn't post it as much to endorse bootleg minis (as hilarious as that is- bootleg minis that never had 'official' versions, all for a dead system, so there's literally no sales possible to steal from GW) but that I want to see GW put out stuff like that picture, nice and easy to get access to (although as it's good ole' Geedub it'll probably be about twice as expensive as the 6mm stuff by Onslaught or Vanguard, even getting Vanguard's metal titans shipped to the US.
According to current conversion rates, the Vanguard Warhound/Reaver/Warlord would end up being 25/35/45 US dollars. They aren't nearly as awesome as the potential GW models, but they seem generally nicer than the old existing metal titans of the three types (bigger, too).
While I don't like how the legs were assembled with backwards knees, this makes for a pretty damn nice Reaver for 35 bucks.
You have to go down the correct back alley in the correct city on a rainy night and talk to the guy in the beige trench coat with a white handkerchief hanging out the right pocket and wearing a stetson hat with a red flower. Memorise the secret handshake otherwise you'll get taken out by the guy with a pistol hidden behind the stairs on the other side of the alleyway.
At least that's what I imagine getting black market Epic is like
Silent Puffin? wrote:Some of the infantry in that picture come from Vanguard though.
Well you could also take a look at Vanguard Miniatures in the meantime...
Yeah I should probably try some. A couple of things puts me off, the Vanguard models are often pictured as CAD models which look awesome, but the painted ones look like a lot of the detail has been lost in the moulding process, but maybe it's just the paint is too thick on them. Also a lot of the "almost 40k" stuff doesn't really appeal to me.
I'm liking the look of Vanguard's 15mm range more than their 6mm range.
Yeah I should probably try some. A couple of things puts me off, the Vanguard models are often pictured as CAD models which look awesome, but the painted ones look like a lot of the detail has been lost in the moulding process, but maybe it's just the paint is too thick on them. Also a lot of the "almost 40k" stuff doesn't really appeal to me.
I'm liking the look of Vanguard's 15mm range more than their 6mm range.
The paint jobs really do them no favours. Colour schemes and paint thickness are not conduisive to the detail. You will nsee some minor signs of 3d printing the masters, but it's really not noticeable once it's cleaned, and the detail is pretty good, especially on the Skinnerz.
The 'Skinner's are really detailed, too detailed to be honest for 6mm models as they are a little fragile and you have to be very careful removing flash.
I really like mine though and I will be putting in a largeish order in the next week or so (40 warbike stands, 12 Flakwagons and some fightbombas).
I was clearing out the garage today and I found what can only be described as a heap of plastic Epic terrain, unassembled but enough for about half a tables worth of ruins, I think it came from the Epic:40k box but there seems to be much more than I would have expected. I also came across the sad remnants of a Mega gargant which will also be turned into terrain.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: It's really only the command models that look like Vanguard models, the rest looks black market or the old plastic Spehss Mareenz.
They still count
The Defeat in Detail range has really increased in quality, you can really tell the difference by comparing the basic Tactical Marine ('Affray company') to the newer stuff like the Specialists or the Skinners Commandos
Damn these last posts. I'm seriously thinking of throwing a few hundred I don't have at Onslaught/Vanguard and getting the wife and I some Epic armies.
I would totally drop 100-150 to get a titan group from Vanguard, if I had anyone to pull their own weight as an opponent. But around here I have to play with close friends and buy/paint both sides to get a game in. Which unfortunately is going to keep the new Titan Legion ga e out of my grasp.
Kirasu wrote: What a sad day where you have to buy black market 10mm models for a game that GW refuses to support. It's as if they don't realize a market exists!
We're in a thread discussing how they are supporting Titans? :/
Kirasu wrote: What a sad day where you have to buy black market 10mm models for a game that GW refuses to support. It's as if they don't realize a market exists!
We're in a thread discussing how they are supporting Titans? :/
RiTides wrote: Exactly, GW has realized it and is going to be supporting it, which will make it even more popular - better for everybody, I think!
Depends on what you mean by support. It appears it's going to a re-imagining of Adeptus Titanicus in the Horus Heresy era. That's not really supporting Epic40k, or Epic Armageddon as it developed to include other 40k races. In addition if we can take anything from Blood Bowl they will try to change the scale to invalidate (partially) the older lines to get people to rebuy new models (understandable to an extent) but it's forced and they should try and sell it on it's own merits (which for the Blood Bowl releases there is lots).
Kirasu wrote: What a sad day where you have to buy black market 10mm models for a game that GW refuses to support. It's as if they don't realize a market exists!
I think this is a bit melodramatic.. It's no more "black market" than Kromlech's orcs, Victoria Lamb's IG, or Scibor's Space Marines.. However, I do really look forward to official models being back in new circulation again. The original Epic kits have been spiking in price over the last year or two and it's been a bit annoying to track down affordable models from the original run.
My GW manager/friend is still sticking with what he said would be in the boxed release when I asked again. He said FW will of course be making models for the game, but the starter needs to be a quick and broad appeal. Hope he is right!
Kirasu wrote:What a sad day where you have to buy black market 10mm models for a game that GW refuses to support. It's as if they don't realize a market exists!
Vanguard's (et al) models aren't black market. There they are, waiting for you to buy 'em, all shiny and legitimate like.
krazynadechukr wrote: My GW manager/friend is still sticking with what he said would be in the boxed release when I asked again. He said FW will of course be making models for the game, but the starter needs to be a quick and broad appeal. Hope he is right!
I hope so, too as your earlier rumor from him sounded like exactly what I'd like to see. That makes sense as a GW manager but GW got it mostly right with the Blood Bowl release, so I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt here!
For those with experience, how would the old Forge World Warmaster Terrain compare in size?
Epic was 6mm, new AdTit is appearantly going to be 8mm. Warmaster was/is 10mm and fantasy so it may or may not work, chances are it will look big though, certainly against the old Epic ranges.
PM me if you have spare warmaster stuff, it's still going strong here!
Considering that DZC is 10mm (right? or am I having a senior moment?) and we see tons of that on 6mm epic game tables I don't foresee that being a huge issue.
Jimmy Zimms wrote: Considering that DZC is 10mm (right? or am I having a senior moment?) and we see tons of that on 6mm epic game tables I don't foresee that being a huge issue.
Yup DZC is 10mm
It would be nice if they rereleased the ruins they had for epic, and they look awesome and are modular. Scifi 6mm and 10 mm buildings though are in no short supply
Kirasu wrote: What a sad day where you have to buy black market 10mm models for a game that GW refuses to support. It's as if they don't realize a market exists!
This is a huge market. Lurking Net Epic / tactics command / multiple Epic or 2/6/10mm forums you'll find its a huge underground community.
Jimmy Zimms wrote: Considering that DZC is 10mm (right? or am I having a senior moment?) and we see tons of that on 6mm epic game tables I don't foresee that being a huge issue.
DZC is a weird 9-10mm scale. I'd say Mech Warrior Dark Age was more of a 10mm when you compare the infantry. DZC sits around 9mm. The structures are all great for 8-10mm. I can see a ton of players buying the DZC cardstock or resin buildings for this game if FW only makes the terrain
Pics like that give me the warm fuzzies. I design games as a hobby and I have a big stack of 10-15 year old notes etc. It's fun to pour through them and see what/where I was headed back in the day (and you'll be surprised how many of your old good ideas you've since forgotten!). I'd love to pour through some of those boxes...damn.
Someone reported a while ago that FW was going to introduce some intermediate sized Titans... I hope they base it on the right one. I've always wanted a model of it.
Elbows wrote: Pics like that give me the warm fuzzies.
Having to quote the message and stick 'S's on all the http's, and hit 'preview', to see anything, and then only seeing broken links anyway, makes me warm... under the collar.
judgedoug wrote: So it looks like Warlord Titans can only have paired carapace weapons?
You could have different weapons on each of the carapace hardpoints in the original AdTit, you could even mix weapons on the same hardpoint. So a Defence laser with a Lascannon on each if you so chose.
aka_mythos wrote: Someone reported a while ago that FW was going to introduce some intermediate sized Titans... I hope they base it on the right one. I've always wanted a model of it.
Is that not essentially an old and stylized warlord titan?
Probably yes. There were some WD articles back when AT was released and maybe there is a comment by Jes Goodwin what these were meant to be used for. I dont have these mags so I cant check.
FW could expand the current titan range both in 28 and 8 mm and use some of these designs for new classes.
There was a prototype Titan miniature in metal which wasn't released but used this early foot design. Steve Casey wrote a post about an unknown RT robot model found in Bryan Ansell's collection and Bob Naysmith chimed in that it was one of his prototypes for AT
judgedoug wrote: So it looks like Warlord Titans can only have paired carapace weapons?
You could have different weapons on each of the carapace hardpoints in the original AdTit, you could even mix weapons on the same hardpoint. So a Defence laser with a Lascannon on each if you so chose.
Yeah, most of my Warlords have different weapon configurations on the carapace. What i'm seeing in the new Adeptus Titanicus is that ALL Warlords MUST have paired weapons on the carapace, which would suck, as it invalidates like 40 of my 50 Warlords immediately.
Yeah, I'd bet the weapon options are quite limited - at least originally. They now have to be prepared for an outcry of "we want X for 40K!" for anything they put into the new AT project.
That being said...if you're not attending a tournament I'm sure you can bash up the rules to work for your titans. It is a shame though.
We don't know how it'll work though, they may allow individual fits on the Carapace. I can't seem them forcing pairs of Landing Pads and Fire Control Towers (if they decide to re-do them) on the carapace. Also, the Warlord may be restricted to how their hardpoints work, but the different potential Titan classes (such as Nemesis, Night Gaunt, Atlas, Legatus, etc. etc) may...
The 40k variants of the titans do seem a little limited compared to the original epic versions. The heavier weapons can't be carapace mounted (no 4x Volcano Cannons), Multiple rocket Launchers have to go on the carapace.
My Armorcast Reaver is not strictly legal either when I decide to swap out the MRL....
I'm sure we can sort it by sticking 'arm' weapons on the carapace, but the Warlord control sheet did only have three weapon slots....
Someone reported a while ago that FW was going to introduce some intermediate sized Titans... I hope they base it on the right one. I've always wanted a model of it.
Is that not essentially an old and stylized warlord titan?
Priobably... but the Warlord has largely departed the concept and has become something bigger. It is too the point that this concept could be reused.
A Warlord is 100ft, a Reaver is 85ft, and a Warhound is 45ft... The concept shows a 60ft Titan with 2 arm weapons, each the size and type as a Reaver's arm weapons, and a knee mounted defensive weapon. The concept is halfway in size to being a Reaver, and is armed like a Reaver just without the opportunity for carapace mounted weapon. It sure sounds like the logic sweet spot for an intermediate Titan class.
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zedmeister wrote: We don't know how it'll work though, they may allow individual fits on the Carapace. I can't seem them forcing pairs of Landing Pads and Fire Control Towers (if they decide to re-do them) on the carapace. Also, the Warlord may be restricted to how their hardpoints work, but the different potential Titan classes (such as Nemesis, Night Gaunt, Atlas, Legatus, etc. etc) may...
My guess is that there will be a weapon profile for the pair of shoulder weapons, and then a seperate profile for an individual weapon should a person mount one of these non-weapon upgrades and that these upgrades just don't get noted with the weapons... but where you otherwise can't take 2 seperate and individual shoulder weapons.
Look at the pics of the Warlord Titan data cards. There's one weapon slot for each arm, and one weapon slot for the carapace. The carapace weapons show "Paired".
aka_mythos wrote: Someone reported a while ago that FW was going to introduce some intermediate sized Titans... I hope they base it on the right one. I've always wanted a model of it.
Spoiler:
Is that not essentially an old and stylized warlord titan?
Priobably... but the Warlord has largely departed the concept and has become something bigger. It is too the point that this concept could be reused.
A Warlord is 100ft, a Reaver is 85ft, and a Warhound is 45ft... The concept shows a 60ft Titan with 2 arm weapons, each the size and type as a Reaver's arm weapons, and a knee mounted defensive weapon. The concept is halfway in size to being a Reaver, and is armed like a Reaver just without the opportunity for carapace mounted weapon. It sure sounds like the logic sweet spot for an intermediate Titan class.
Love that design, although rather than an intermediate Titan, I'd like to see it come back as a very heavily armored Warlord that gives up its carapace weapons for heavier armor.
judgedoug wrote: Look at the pics of the Warlord Titan data cards. There's one weapon slot for each arm, and one weapon slot for the carapace. The carapace weapons show "Paired".
Maybe it's that specific configuration? Also, keep in mind that there used to be various sub-classes of the Warlord (like the Eclipse, Death Bringer, Nemesis, and Nightgaunt), which all kinda worked differently. Maybe there will also be one which allows you to mount two different carapace weapons?
Warhams-77 wrote: Probably yes. There were some WD articles back when AT was released and maybe there is a comment by Jes Goodwin what these were meant to be used for. I dont have these mags so I cant check.
FW could expand the current titan range both in 28 and 8 mm and use some of these designs for new classes.
There was a prototype Titan miniature in metal which wasn't released but used this early foot design. Steve Casey wrote a post about an unknown RT robot model found in Bryan Ansell's collection and Bob Naysmith chimed in that it was one of his prototypes for AT
mjl7atlas wrote: Are there any plans to add orks or Eldar titans? Would greatly add to variety.
The current plan is for the first version to feature Heresy-era Titans and Knights only. If that proves successful enough they plan to expand it to include troops & vehicles. Then if that sells well there could be a 40k version with xenos.
I think expanding the epic system into tanks, troops and other xeno races, will be kept on the back burner for when they have finished with all the new Horus Heresy stuff.
Rayvon wrote: I think expanding the epic system into tanks, troops and other xeno races, will be kept on the back burner for when they have finished with all the new Horus Heresy stuff.
It will probably be kept on the back burner until AT is a raging success.
FW tried reviving Epic somewhat with Aeronautica Imperialis, but they fethed it up because most the people who might have played it didn't even know it existed.
Alpharius wrote: If (when?) this is successful, I think Xenos titans are just about a sure thing.
I would be extremely shocked if that never materialized. I'm mostly curious how it'll be approached considering how vastly different the 40k lineup is compared to the time of the original release. Thinking of Tau and Necrons largely. I suppose.. and whether or not 'Nids or DE will be represented at all.. I guess most else is basically.. Imperial, Chaos, Ork, and Eldar.. which all have vast precedence to build upon.
Alpharius wrote: If (when?) this is successful, I think Xenos titans are just about a sure thing.
I would be extremely shocked if that never materialized. I'm mostly curious how it'll be approached considering how vastly different the 40k lineup is compared to the time of the original release. Thinking of Tau and Necrons largely. I suppose.. and whether or not 'Nids or DE will be represented at all.. I guess most else is basically.. Imperial, Chaos, Ork, and Eldar.. which all have vast precedence to build upon.
It would be nice to see FW's take on the larger Ork walkers like full gargants and such. And hopefully if demand is high enough, the digital sculpts can be upsized into 40K models.
Besides full models, I am hoping that making the various weapon options for the titans will mean FW will be releasing them in 28mm scale. The Reaver has been short of carapace mounts for years now, and the Warlord is still only at 3 arm weapons and 2 carapace choices out of six and nine respectively, even before any potential additions.
Alpharius wrote: If (when?) this is successful, I think Xenos titans are just about a sure thing.
I would be extremely shocked if that never materialized. I'm mostly curious how it'll be approached considering how vastly different the 40k lineup is compared to the time of the original release. Thinking of Tau and Necrons largely. I suppose.. and whether or not 'Nids or DE will be represented at all.. I guess most else is basically.. Imperial, Chaos, Ork, and Eldar.. which all have vast precedence to build upon.
It would be nice to see FW's take on the larger Ork walkers like full gargants and such. And hopefully if demand is high enough, the digital sculpts can be upsized into 40K models.
Besides full models, I am hoping that making the various weapon options for the titans will mean FW will be releasing them in 28mm scale. The Reaver has been short of carapace mounts for years now, and the Warlord is still only at 3 arm weapons and 2 carapace choices out of six and nine respectively, even before any potential additions.
Well, on orks, presumably the Mega-Dredd, Gorka/Morkanaut, and Stompa are a known quantity. The Armorcast Gargant is what I would hope the modernized kit would be derived from.. Sort of imagine the Stompa but in that form-factor. So it would be a giant mu-mu made from patchwork metal plates... with ridiculously big guns everywhere.. As much as I believe Forgeworld is talented, a lot of their orky pieces (of which I own a few), their more modern outings tend to look messy to me and lack the charm of other ork kits. If they dial it back to late 90s early Y2k.. I'm on board 100%. I would hope they would do the Orks up-scaled but I lost heart after seeing how my favorite army was treated historically across the editions.
Does fluff anywhere suggest Tau have anything bigger than the existing large 40k kits? I would think Necrons are in a similar boat as well. I know GW will just whip something up and retcon it but still.. I don't remember things from the lore as is. Nids at the least get bio-titans and Norn-queens and whatever..
Alpharius wrote: If (when?) this is successful, I think Xenos titans are just about a sure thing.
I would be extremely shocked if that never materialized. I'm mostly curious how it'll be approached considering how vastly different the 40k lineup is compared to the time of the original release. Thinking of Tau and Necrons largely. I suppose.. and whether or not 'Nids or DE will be represented at all.. I guess most else is basically.. Imperial, Chaos, Ork, and Eldar.. which all have vast precedence to build upon.
Tyranids were in Epic as early as 2nd edition, iirc, complete with Titan-sized creatures. So there's no reason to not expect them to appear again.
The idea of Epic being redone has me happy in so many ways.
Interesting problem with the Tau and Necrons.
With the Tau. It seems to me that they are rapidly developing their weapon systems in fluff and on the board. Their walkers get bigger and bigger so it doesn’t take a stretch of the imagination for me to see them developing a Titan scale walker of some kind or maybe multiple, fast smaller walkers.
Necrons I could see having a giant stompy C’tan. Imagine more shards are somehow combined to create something closer to a full star god. You could even start viewing them as having a different play style. What if instead of having giant stompy walkers they have giant tombs that raise up from below the ground. Unfortunately I feel the tombs would only feel fun with troop scale rules in place to allow legions of warriors to start disgorging from them >: D
I think there are lots of fluffy, that can translate to interesting table top ways of introducing giant centrepieces for all the factions. While the release of Adeptus Titanicus seems to be set in the HH. The potential future rules for the other factions could maybe bring the timeline into the coming ‘not end times’ therefor all bets are off for what can appear in the fluff.
Malika2 wrote: Also, apparently they use flyers instead of titans.
Difference in culture, established in the last edition of Epic, I think. The Imperium has giant, quasi-religious terror-totems. Ditto Chaos, Orcs, and I assume Eldar. Tyranids have bigger-than-average terrestrial organisms. Tau and Necrons just zip up and blast ya.
Malika2 wrote: Also, apparently they use flyers instead of titans.
Difference in culture, established in the last edition of Epic, I think. The Imperium has giant, quasi-religious terror-totems. Ditto Chaos, Orcs, and I assume Eldar. Tyranids have bigger-than-average terrestrial organisms. Tau and Necrons just zip up and blast ya.
But this is also kinda changing now that GW and FW are producing giant mechas for them.
Malika2 wrote: Also, apparently they use flyers instead of titans.
Difference in culture, established in the last edition of Epic, I think. The Imperium has giant, quasi-religious terror-totems. Ditto Chaos, Orcs, and I assume Eldar. Tyranids have bigger-than-average terrestrial organisms. Tau and Necrons just zip up and blast ya.
Necrons have large stuff - giant humanoids, hge monoliths and the like have previously appeared.
Tau have gone from cool flyers and the like to (IMO) stupid orkoid looking walkers with masses of guns
Alpharius wrote: If (when?) this is successful, I think Xenos titans are just about a sure thing.
I would be extremely shocked if that never materialized. I'm mostly curious how it'll be approached considering how vastly different the 40k lineup is compared to the time of the original release. Thinking of Tau and Necrons largely. I suppose.. and whether or not 'Nids or DE will be represented at all.. I guess most else is basically.. Imperial, Chaos, Ork, and Eldar.. which all have vast precedence to build upon.
Tyranids were in Epic as early as 2nd edition, iirc, complete with Titan-sized creatures. So there's no reason to not expect them to appear again.
Important distinction though.. this isn't Epic (yet). I'm wondering if they wil lput them into AT. Putting them into Epic seems a no-brainer.
Malika2 wrote:Did you check those giant Taunton mechas from FW? Also, apparently they use flyers instead of titans.
Those look, to my eye to be about the size of a Warhound or at most a Reaver. I'm trying to think, in my mind how the armies I was asking about can muster something into Adeptus Titanicus (not Epic.. which everyone keeps thinking this is). The 28mm scale Hierophant is a big model but by comparison to Warlord.. it's hard to imagine it being on par. I think someone below is probably on the right track... IF they do have a role in AT, it will probably be multiple mid size and smaller units with super specialized shooting or somethign to put them on par.
RE: xenos titans ... isn't this game billed under the HH brand? So I'm not sure there will be room for xenos. If the line is super successful, maybe there will be a post-Heresy/40k expansion - or even Great Crusade (Ullanor) expansion.
Manchu wrote: RE: xenos titans ... isn't this game billed under the HH brand? So I'm not sure there will be room for xenos. If the line is super successful, maybe there will be a post-Heresy/40k expansion - or even Great Crusade (Ullanor) expansion.
Argh.. I forgot it was 30k.. you are the rain to my parade Manchu :(
Necrons have large stuff - giant humanoids, hge monoliths and the like have previously appeared.
Tau have gone from cool flyers and the like to (IMO) stupid orkoid looking walkers with masses of guns
Oh sure, now they have walkers. In an age of wolf sleds and sales running the studio, they have 'em. But I remember a humongous necron character appearing in a Kal Jerico strip years ago, and the Epic response was "Nooo, nooo... Jervis said so".
Important distinction though.. this isn't Epic (yet). I'm wondering if they wil lput them into AT. Putting them into Epic seems a no-brainer.
Again, the Tyranids had titan-sized stuff in their Epic release. So if GW decides to do a Xeno titan release before doing a full-on Epic release, the Tyranids already have an option that doesn't require completely new figures.
RE: xenos titans ... isn't this game billed under the HH brand? So I'm not sure there will be room for xenos. If the line is super successful, maybe there will be a post-Heresy/40k expansion - or even Great Crusade (Ullanor) expansion.
The question that triggered this latest round of xeno-titan discussion pre-supposed that xeno-titans will make an appearance so that it could speculate on what form those titans might take.
Eumerin wrote: The question that triggered this latest round of xeno-titan discussion pre-supposed that xeno-titans will make an appearance so that it could speculate on what form those titans might take.
Fair enough - but such speculation is sufficiently removed from the actual release that said discussion should take place elsewhere, such as a separate thread in the Specialist Games sub-forum. Thanks!
Yeah, it seems like right now we'll just get some imperial, 30k-era titans. Which is exactly how they should start, imo, but hopefully crazy high demand causes them to expand quickly!
Its so weird to me that this isn't going to just be Epic. The Titanicus rules seem more focused on Titans obviously, and providing them more complexity/nuance than their Epic Armageddon counter-parts, but while Hewitt says they're leaving rules hooks for infantry, etc... I feel like there will be a ton of clunkiness if they go proper combined arms after an inevitably successful launch.
Part of what i'm liking having just gotten into Epic is how cleanly it plays with so many kinds of units. If Titans alone will require their own dash-boards, etc... the game sounds like it would just be a mess....
... unless that is, they really do plan on never expanding it back towards an Epic-esque game, which strikes me as more likely, but which would be a terrible shame.
I still feel like a healthy GW landscape could include aggressively priced Epic, where people own multiple armies and play out their huge scale conflicts, right alongside a cleaned up 8th Ed 40k where people play out their more conventional battles, often luxuriating in their super premium, high-end models.
Here’s some of the information that was picked up throughout the day.
They’re digging into all previous Epic games for inspiration, but it will be a new rule set.
Expect Titans to have a plasma reactor power tracker to keep track of how much power they have.
They’ll be able to overload the reactor to boost power with a risk (Overload voids, increase speed, etc)
Harpoons will be back but nowhere near as ridiculous as they used to be!
Expect 2nd edition Epic orders and damage charts
Expect 1st edition campaign and upgrade rules
Engine war will be a bit of a slugfest, with Titans slowly blasting each other to Atoms, staggering about, weapons missing, systems burnt out, but still able to fight until you smash the legs, pulverise the MIU’s or cause the reactor to go nuclear.
Manoeuvrability is key – the heavier the Titan, the slower they are. He described a play test where his final warlord was fragged when an enemy Warhound got behind it and he didn’t have enough power to overload the reactor to take more turns than they can
Knights are objective grabbers and shield droppers, don’t expect them to go toe to toe with Titans and survive
Campaign games are the default mode of play, similar to Necromunda as he described it. With options for competitive and open play.
Machine spirit personality will play a role. This sounded really exciting. Titans will pick up a personality the more used they are. So you could end up with a Titan geared for close combat and have it turn into a bit of berserker which will have an effect of it becoming less controllable in battle. ‘Resting’ the Titan becomes an important choice to make.
I wouldn't expect much, the game was postponed. The situation is similiar to HH: Inferno's last year... Fingers-crossed for some fluff and gameplay teasers, though.
I agree that it will be a shame if the new Adeptus Titanicus becomes the core of a combined arms replacement for Epic. With the amount of detail they've included for the war engines, it sounds impossible to properly represent a range of units. Epic: Armageddon does it so cleanly, and the old rules are free and really only need minor tweaks.
The leaked pics from this white dwarf say page 19 titanicus. Is there any info there? Following the three month rule, this white dwarf was put together in December. Presumably that was before the decision to delay the game.
Well, that was a long topic to get caught up on! Various points in no particular order:
I think 8mm is just about the right scale for me - a good balance between mini size, detail, and cost
I wouldn't get wrapped around the handle on exact scale translations yet, as the test minis we see now may not reflect the final sizes (one of the great things about 3D files - they scale easily)
2 x Warlords, 2 x Reavers, and 2 x Warhounds sounds like a good starter mix (and also lends itself to progressively learning the game
The US$150 price point would be in line with higher end starter sets these days
If I were GW, I'd hold the release till either the summer convention season, or till the holidays
I'm sure that the Titan-only focus is intentional at this point, and expanding the scope (to infantry, tanks, and/or other races) will happen if the game does well
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Were they rumours or are you just guessing? It sounds on the cheap side if the Warlords are going to be as large as I'm thinking.
That was rumor from many pages back in the topic, but on the other hand, it's only a rumor.
Perhaps the "It's Bigger and Smaller than You Think" tag from April's White Dwarf means the 8mm scale and fewer titans in the box, respectively.
Not fussed about the start set's price or contents - provided it's got the rules and a decent dollop of background, I'm in.
What is make or break for me is the price for extra models.
I've been critical of Armada's expansion costs - and I'll be applying the same wry eye to AT, even though I'm frothing mad for this game.
If a Warlord is £50 or under, I'm most definitely in. £60? Well, I could be persuaded. £70....hmmm...probably not?
Though of course that also all depends on how nice the models are, what (if any) options they come with, and how the game scales (I'm rarely one to have a static '1,500 and done' type forces - I prefer to have a larger collection to vary things up). I don't mind paying top dollar for nice models in a game where I can realistically field my whole collection once in a while - but if it only works well up to say, 4 Titans, and the gameplay doesn't make much difference between them, that's a taller order to actually sell me on.
YMMV of course - I can only chime in with my own thoughts.
I'm looking forward to seeing these models for this game! the fun part will be scaling down my painting style to suit the size they are meant to be :-) I can sense a lot of amazing paintwork being shown off as well as using them for conversion parts on Orks etc?
Besides a plastic (or bust) starter I don't think I'd buy Titans at all. A swarm of (plastic) knights sounds way more to my liking, super huge models turn me off. And tanks and infantry would be a wallet killer.
Binabik15 wrote: Besides a plastic (or bust) starter I don't think I'd buy Titans at all. A swarm of (plastic) knights sounds way more to my liking, super huge models turn me off. And tanks and infantry would be a wallet killer.
No plastic starter Titans, no deal.
I have a similar feeling. I'm up in the air on buying AT, but the titans themselves interest me less than the tanks and aircraft. The titans are something I'd rather have after all the other stuff.
Binabik15 wrote: Besides a plastic (or bust) starter I don't think I'd buy Titans at all. A swarm of (plastic) knights sounds way more to my liking, super huge models turn me off. And tanks and infantry would be a wallet killer.
No plastic starter Titans, no deal.
I have a similar feeling. I'm up in the air on buying AT, but the titans themselves interest me less than the tanks and aircraft. The titans are something I'd rather have after all the other stuff.
Well then Adeptus Titanicus is probably the wrong game then
Binabik15 wrote: Besides a plastic (or bust) starter I don't think I'd buy Titans at all. A swarm of (plastic) knights sounds way more to my liking, super huge models turn me off. And tanks and infantry would be a wallet killer.
No plastic starter Titans, no deal.
Yeah I love the idea of a "swarm" of Knights, too particularly one swirling around a big Warlord to give that sense of scale!
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: If a Warlord is £50 or under, I'm most definitely in. £60? Well, I could be persuaded. £70....hmmm...probably not?
This brings up an excellent point: what is the correct price point for an "average" titan?
A 40K Dreadnought is ~US$50, so I think that would be about right for a titan as well.
It'll really come down to whether these are resin or plastic. Rumors puts it at Thanatar size, which is a £75 ($92)... the most similarly sized plastic 40k model is a Dreadknight a $54 model. Even if it's resin FW is likely to do a bundle and that would likely get it sub-£70... if it's plastic it'd be easy.
As far as the correct price goes... I think it's more important to consider the "to play" cost... The "average" game was said to be 3 Warlords per player. I think 3 Warlords and a rulebook when purchased individually needs to be no more than $200, to attract enough players.
If the starter set has plastic titans or Knights I am buying it for sure. A whole resin only range is very off putting to me though.
By they way the March white dwarf has a preview of adeptus titanicus listed in the contents but not in the magazine. My guess is that they pulled it when the game got delayed but forgot to change the contents. It makes me doubt whether we will see anything next month either.
If they can make a good starter full of plastic minis, I am all for them taking their time.
Chikout wrote: By they way the March white dwarf has a preview of adeptus titanicus listed in the contents but not in the magazine. My guess is that they pulled it when the game got delayed but forgot to change the contents. It makes me doubt whether we will see anything next month either.
From what I saw, the March issue mentioned Titanicus material in the "Next Month" section.
Chikout wrote: By they way the March white dwarf has a preview of adeptus titanicus listed in the contents but not in the magazine. My guess is that they pulled it when the game got delayed but forgot to change the contents. It makes me doubt whether we will see anything next month either.
From what I saw, the March issue mentioned Titanicus material in the "Next Month" section.
Chikout wrote: By they way the March white dwarf has a preview of adeptus titanicus listed in the contents but not in the magazine. My guess is that they pulled it when the game got delayed but forgot to change the contents. It makes me doubt whether we will see anything next month either.
From what I saw, the March issue mentioned Titanicus material in the "Next Month" section.
So April will be the proof in the pudding!
Curious to see if it is. It was post-poned but leadtimes are so that it might have preview anyway for post-poned production. Or the march issue got done before post-pone decision but april not so march has mention of preview that won't be there.
Would be funny to have preview of item that got delayed after all.
Chikout wrote: By they way the March white dwarf has a preview of adeptus titanicus listed in the contents but not in the magazine. My guess is that they pulled it when the game got delayed but forgot to change the contents. It makes me doubt whether we will see anything next month either.
From what I saw, the March issue mentioned Titanicus material in the "Next Month" section.
So April will be the proof in the pudding!
Curious to see if it is. It was post-poned but leadtimes are so that it might have preview anyway for post-poned production. Or the march issue got done before post-pone decision but april not so march has mention of preview that won't be there.
Would be funny to have preview of item that got delayed after all.
The European versions of white dwarf have neither the info on the contents page nor the hint about next month. Check out miniwars.eu, they have the pics there.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: If a Warlord is £50 or under, I'm most definitely in. £60? Well, I could be persuaded. £70....hmmm...probably not?
This brings up an excellent point: what is the correct price point for an "average" titan?
A 40K Dreadnought is ~US$50, so I think that would be about right for a titan as well.
It'll really come down to whether these are resin or plastic. Rumors puts it at Thanatar size, which is a £75 ($92)... the most similarly sized plastic 40k model is a Dreadknight a $54 model. Even if it's resin FW is likely to do a bundle and that would likely get it sub-£70... if it's plastic it'd be easy.
As far as the correct price goes... I think it's more important to consider the "to play" cost... The "average" game was said to be 3 Warlords per player. I think 3 Warlords and a rulebook when purchased individually needs to be no more than $200, to attract enough players.
Price also depends how many of each unit they can expect to shift. Hence, characters are often disproportionately expensive - they need their own sprues/kit cutting/casting, and the potential market is inherently smaller than say, Imperial Guardsman.
Thanatar are highly points intensive, and come from Heavy Support. So like a character, that brings a limit to how many a player will actually need.
Titans? Well, we don't know yet, and I'm not sure we've even got enough info to make a good guestimation. If Warlords wind up like the Thanatar - only one or two really desirable by most players, then the price would likely be the same. But, if fielding three or four in a single force is generally feasible (beyond heavily themed forces), then the price could well be lower than we expect.
All we can do right now is sit and wait. Well. And froth. ALL THE FROTH!
Chikout wrote: By they way the March white dwarf has a preview of adeptus titanicus listed in the contents but not in the magazine. My guess is that they pulled it when the game got delayed but forgot to change the contents. It makes me doubt whether we will see anything next month either.
From what I saw, the March issue mentioned Titanicus material in the "Next Month" section.
If you go to the preview event, you’ll not only get to handle a host of new miniatures, (some of which won’t be out for almost a year) you’ll get to play some games with them. And not just any game, a brand new game. On top of that, we’ve even commissioned some special dice for attendees to keep as a momento. And, that’s not even all. You’ll also get to see some new game mechanics we’ve got in mind for existing games and give us your thoughts.
I am registered for that preview event Wednesday at AdeptiCon! I was hoping to hear about Adeptus Titanicus, but had gotten worried they'd save things for later due to the delay, so this is fantastic news!
RiTides wrote: I am registered for that preview event Wednesday at AdeptiCon! I was hoping to hear about Adeptus Titanicus, but had gotten worried they'd save things for later due to the delay, so this is fantastic news!
I'll be sure to keep you updated, Dakka
Hoping I can sneak in. Didn't even know it was a thing. If not, you are giving me a full report.
I was randomly updating my registration (adding a challenge coin, heh) and stumbled on it several weeks ago. I hadn't heard about it before, so not sure when it was added? It must have been announced somewhere, right?
It says there is still space available to sign up in-person, so hopefully you can add it at registration (that's what the article above suggests).
The first is like an hour after registration opens (8pm) so you can apparently just show photo ID if you haven't picked up your badge yet. However, they're doing a second session at 10pm I think, so that one might be easier to sign up for in-person.
Also, print your agenda to bring with you, as they won't be printing them out this year!
No news at AdeptiCon, other than when I went up and asked and they said it's not coming this year. Bummer, but more time for plastics, so I'm looking on the bright side
RiTides wrote: No news at AdeptiCon, other than when I went up and asked and they said it's not coming this year. Bummer, but more time for plastics, so I'm looking on the bright side
NOOO!
Spoiler:
Wait another year?! hope BFG will come before that then [sadface]
RiTides wrote: No news at AdeptiCon, other than when I went up and asked and they said it's not coming this year. Bummer, but more time for plastics, so I'm looking on the bright side
Yep, well at least they are taking their time to do it right. Plus my wallet has let out a sigh of relief, but i'm sure GW will fill the void with some other crazy releases like they have been doing the past year.
RiTides wrote: No news at AdeptiCon, other than when I went up and asked and they said it's not coming this year. Bummer, but more time for plastics, so I'm looking on the bright side
Are you sufficiently confident in that info we can put it in the title?
At least it's something that GW are saying either way, and not leaving you standing there and wishing/hoping like little Timmy at Xmas, as would have been the case a few years ago.
There is such a thriving Epic community, the rules are available for free, there has never been a better 3rd party miniature range (arguably far superior to when we last had an 'official' range) - there is no reason to wait!
Pacific wrote: There is such a thriving Epic community, the rules are available for free, there has never been a better 3rd party miniature range (arguably far superior to when we last had an 'official' range) - there is no reason to wait!
Just wish GW got it's act. I would like models that actually look like 40k counterparts. And in 6mm rather than 8mm that makes battles automatically smaller scale(in terms of models you will have).
Pacific wrote: There is such a thriving Epic community, the rules are available for free, there has never been a better 3rd party miniature range (arguably far superior to when we last had an 'official' range) - there is no reason to wait!
Just wish GW got it's act. I would like models that actually look like 40k counterparts. And in 6mm rather than 8mm that makes battles automatically smaller scale(in terms of models you will have).
Oh how I wish I could buy models like THAT. Too bad GW doesn't sell those and doesnt' look like they will except 8mm titans :-/
Maybe write to them- they seem to be very receptive to the community now. Honestly I think thats what they'll do when they get back to Epic, and I'm sure they will looking at all the recent developments. I think GW's biggest problem will be resourcing everything they want to do and fitting it into their release schedule. The delay for Titanicus is a case in point and hopefully means they will be bring it out in plastic. Resin titans wouldn't have interested me at all. When I say resourcing it I'm talking about getting enough sculptors, game designers and time on the plastics machines to produce everything- because they are bring out loads it seems at the minute- i can barely keep up!
Vash108 wrote: I am excited to see how this turns out. Did they say this would be Heresy era only?
That's been already confirmed before. Which does make sense in a way as that's when biggest titan vs titan battles appeared. Plus 30k is the big seller and higher tech level in HH would even allow inserting new titan weapons more easily.
While sad that Titanicus appears to have suffered more delays - especially since it's apparent that the rules are more or less complete - I'm interested in what the April White Dwarf will have to say about it.
Well they did allude to this happening back at the HH Weekender when they said this year was full and it was difficult finding a place to slot the release in. This is just the confirmation that they were indeed unable to find a slot.
While there are certainly scenarios where the delay could be down to unexpected problems with the game or FW/Specialists production capacity. I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed that the delay is due to GW prime having to find space in its release and production schedule for plastic kits. In the meantime I'll just have to console myself with 40k IK and Dreads
Pacific wrote: There is such a thriving Epic community, the rules are available for free, there has never been a better 3rd party miniature range (arguably far superior to when we last had an 'official' range) - there is no reason to wait!
Just wish GW got it's act. I would like models that actually look like 40k counterparts. And in 6mm rather than 8mm that makes battles automatically smaller scale(in terms of models you will have).
Oh how I wish I could buy models like THAT. Too bad GW doesn't sell those and doesnt' look like they will except 8mm titans :-/
If you can't
be with the one you love
love the one you're with
[ba-da ba-da]
love the one you're with
Especially if the one you love is a frosty tease more interested in rifling through your wallet on a kinda-sorta promise of a minimal reciprocation in a year's time. If you're jonesing for a certain style of gaming in a certain scale and a certain setting, and GW is only offering one small part of that gaming experience a long, long time from now, then don't let GW dictate your gaming purchases and gaming experience.
nerdfest09 wrote: So I need to wait until next year to paint for RiTides again!!! this is not cool :-(
Yeah I agree, major downer!! But still, plastics will give it a much wider reach, so worth it if we get more as a result . Everyone tell FW/GW in-person at Weekenders / etc that we'll buy the heck out of it if they can do plastics!
Pacific wrote: There is such a thriving Epic community, the rules are available for free, there has never been a better 3rd party miniature range (arguably far superior to when we last had an 'official' range) - there is no reason to wait!
Indeed there is, but it all depends on what you're looking for.
For me, Epic 4th edition is (in my opinion) one of the best rulesets GW have ever put out. I still play plenty of games of Epic. However, none of the third party lines that I've seen interests me. They're capable and good looking but they don't look like Land Raiders, Mechanicus weirdness or the re-envisioned Titans. That leaves me with one choice - hooky models and recasts. No thanks. So, I'm waiting for the new Adeptus Titanicus and content to play with my existing collection in the meantime.
'Nothing like...' is being a bit mean. Armoured. Tracks that go over the hull. Twin lascannons and twin heavy bolter and an armoured front door. Looks pretty 'Land Raidery' to me.
By the same degrees the Prototype in Rogue Trader, the orginal plastic model, the epic scale version of the 'Mk 2' land raider and the final, 'current' plastic land raider look nothing like one another.
OTOH I get where you're coming from. some third party stuff is a step too far away form their intended target.
zedmeister wrote: For me, Epic 4th edition is (in my opinion) one of the best rulesets GW have ever put out. I still play plenty of games of Epic. However, none of the third party lines that I've seen interests me. They're capable and good looking but they don't look like Land Raiders, Mechanicus weirdness or the re-envisioned Titans. That leaves me with one choice - hooky models and recasts. No thanks. So, I'm waiting for the new Adeptus Titanicus and content to play with my existing collection in the meantime.
Option 3: go on eBay and buy the real thing!
Agreed that there are some lovely 3rd party epic offerings, but it just isn't the same. That said, if I wanted to do a Sisters, Necron or Tau army, there isn't an alternative to going unofficial.
A year delay might give GW time to push the initial release into plastic...
I remember back when this thread priced out a starter box, based on the information that a Warlord was ~ Leviathan Dreadnought. At that point, a basic force of 3 Warlords (half an Army!) would be ~240 GBP, a very steep price for an unknown and low circulation game. If I remember correctly, the thread reached the conclusion that the game had to be plastic, if only to have a chance of going beyond a few crazy collectors.
Perhaps GW saw the responses, worked out the prices more, and recognized that plastic Warhounds / Warlords was a prerequisite for the game reaching more than a minute circulation.
But there is another reason for plastic. GW has a competitive advantage in large scale and large model plastic molding. If GW released Titanicus in resin, it would be an expensive game only available to a few. Released in plastic, the game now has a chance to get to a wider audience and crowd out potential competitors.
Speaking purely personally - I'm kind of relieved.... Too many goodies already. And plastic titans are a prerequisite for me. With I'm in. Without I'm not. Simple as.
MarkNorfolk wrote: 'Nothing like...' is being a bit mean. Armoured. Tracks that go over the hull. Twin lascannons and twin heavy bolter and an armoured front door. Looks pretty 'Land Raidery' to me.
By the same degrees the Prototype in Rogue Trader, the orginal plastic model, the epic scale version of the 'Mk 2' land raider and the final, 'current' plastic land raider look nothing like one another.
I think there are enough visual 'tags' there to see obviously what is meant to represent. For terms of copyright, this could equally be a crude, dystopian vision of a British WW1 tank, which was the design idea behind the Rogue Trader tank also. There are lots of other miniatures that fall within the same category, and some of the Vanguard infantry in particular (check out the Novan elite) are leagues ahead of the plastic mk6 & mk7 infantry we had back in the day.
I personally don't want close approximations and the like. I want a Land Raider. Or Rhino. Or a Falcon. Or a Firestorm. etc.
Again, those look nice but don't look like Rhinos to me.
For small scale gaming, I'm content playing DZC or with my existing Epic collection. I'm happy to wait and save until AT hits before getting a Warhound and not settling for a Small Walking Robot that looks somewhat kind of like a Warhound but not quite from company X. That's why 40k remains popular despite the rules bloat - the backstory, visuals and designs.
Please everyone, ask them about infantry and tanks at every opportunity! And plastic Knights and Titans. With the delay there's a chance to show them interest for a game not only about Titans.
zedmeister wrote: I personally don't want close approximations and the like. I want a Land Raider. Or Rhino. Or a Falcon. Or a Firestorm. etc.
Again, those look nice but don't look like Rhinos to me.
For small scale gaming, I'm content playing DZC or with my existing Epic collection. I'm happy to wait and save until AT hits before getting a Warhound and not settling for a Small Walking Robot that looks somewhat kind of like a Warhound but not quite from company X. That's why 40k remains popular despite the rules bloat - the backstory, visuals and designs.
I think probably a lot of people feel that way. And I think it's very much a personal thing - for me, the miniatures, design and style have changed so much over the years that it's more important to capture the 'essence' or character of a miniature, rather than it looking exactly like GWs current rendition of a design.
I think you could show that picture above to any 40k gamer and they would instantly know that it's space wolves and rhinos. And especially when you are taking about 6mm here, where and infantry miniature can be placed on the end of a pin.
I guess that there are both groups here: As evident by the fact that miniature producers like Vanguard have exploded in recent years (both in terms of their popularity and the size of their range) but also that many are waiting for whatever GW decides to release and whatever format they decide to go for. In terms of the existing gaming groups, my only wish from this is that there is some compatibility between the two!
One interesting (on-topic) point, it's that judging by Black Library's "March of the Titans" offerings, we may get to see the semi-mythic Psi-Titans this time around.
They featured on a few of the offerings, and it seems clear to me that the original plan was to have that coincide with the release of the game.
Binabik15 wrote:Please everyone, ask them about infantry and tanks at every opportunity! And plastic Knights and Titans. With the delay there's a chance to show them interest for a game not only about Titans.
I think there is a certain inevitability. They did choose this scale around the smallest size that the different marks of power armor were distinguishable from each other... while it may just be future proofing it also shows they are considering it.
xerxeshavelock wrote:Speaking purely personally - I'm kind of relieved.... Too many goodies already. And plastic titans are a prerequisite for me. With I'm in. Without I'm not. Simple as.
It is for a lot of people. Not everyone want to work with resin no matter how much FW's quality has improved in the last couple years. Some people like challenges others just want to build.
schoon wrote:Don't get me wrong, plastic titans are great, and I really hope they're doing them from an "overall future of the game" perspective...
...but as a hobbyist, very few things compare to a good multi-pose FW titan kit in 8mm!
I agree with you, but the way I see it, IF they do some plastic Titans it frees up the resources for them to do some resin Titans and otherkits they otherwise wouldn't have been able to do. It also puts an in-store foot print to the game, so it'll be more than you and a couple of buds playing it regularly.
schoon wrote: One interesting (on-topic) point, it's that judging by Black Library's "March of the Titans" offerings, we may get to see the semi-mythic Psi-Titans this time around.
They featured on a few of the offerings, and it seems clear to me that the original plan was to have that coincide with the release of the game.
Which is twice in the past 6 months that this kind of thing happened with FW. And then when Inferno dropped, it still looked unpolished.
To be clear, I'm not bashing FW. It just seems like they're overwhelmed by everything they have going on right now. I'm sure they're working hard. But I'm not sure that a delay for AT means any additional plastic for the game.
gorgon wrote: To be clear, I'm not bashing FW. It just seems like they're overwhelmed by everything they have going on right now. I'm sure they're working hard. But I'm not sure that a delay for AT means any additional plastic for the game.
If they do plastics, I would think it would be Warlords, Reavers (maybe), and Warhounds.
This in the grand scheme of things may be a much more insignificant thought especially given that even when this comes out dismounted troops would still be a ways down the road, but if Marines are now 8mm tall, would that make them true scaled vs the older 6mm infantry?
Collinsas wrote: This in the grand scheme of things may be a much more insignificant thought especially given that even when this comes out dismounted troops would still be a ways down the road, but if Marines are now 8mm tall, would that make them true scaled vs the older 6mm infantry?
Pretty much yes. Would certainly make them nicely imposing.
schoon wrote: Anyone remember the (sadly) limited run of multi-pose 6mm Space Marines FW did?
Yeah, most of us remember that one:
However, at £2.00 a pop it's rather expensive to have a whole army of them. It's just not a 'sustainable' (in the sense of up-scalable) business wise to release infantry like that.
Rumour I heard is that GW are changing direction again and part of that is specialist games is getting scaled back, so don't expect anything other than bloodbowl anytime soon (see the aborted release of Necromunda and Titanicus disapearing off the release schedule).
The delay is due to what was to have been principally a resin game showing such positive feedback and so much predicted sale that The Powers That Be first moved the startup titans to plastic and then, as interest continued and BB sales continued, authorized the shifting of the entire range to plastics and therefore only add ons and accessories will now be resin. This is a mixed bag of good and bad news as it means plastics (so gaming costs greatly lowered, much better modeling experience imo, better straight lines and so on) but it also means time to move the range over to that process, competes with Citadel's main production schedule etc hence the delays.
Or, at least, that's what I might guess.
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SeanDrake wrote: Rumour I heard is that GW are changing direction again and part of that is specialist games is getting scaled back, so don't expect anything other than bloodbowl anytime soon (see the aborted release of Necromunda and Titanicus disapearing off the release schedule).
RiTides wrote: No news at AdeptiCon, other than when I went up and asked and they said it's not coming this year. Bummer, but more time for plastics, so I'm looking on the bright side
NOOO!
Spoiler:
Wait another year?! hope BFG will come before that then [sadface]
I don't see BFG being released this year the market currently has 4 capital ship games that are all fairly popular and one of them was co-written by the guy who wrote the original BFG, while I am sure 40k purists will lap it up, right now the wider gaming community has enough giant space ship games to put money into next year would be a smarter way to go.
MeanGreenStompa wrote: The delay is due to what was to have been principally a resin game showing such positive feedback and so much predicted sale that The Powers That Be first moved the startup titans to plastic and then, as interest continued and BB sales continued, authorized the shifting of the entire range to plastics and therefore only add ons and accessories will now be resin. This is a mixed bag of good and bad news as it means plastics (so gaming costs greatly lowered, much better modeling experience imo, better straight lines and so on) but it also means time to move the range over to that process, competes with Citadel's main production schedule etc hence the delays.
Or, at least, that's what I might guess.
The delay sucks, but I'll take it for plastics! Mostly for wider adoption of the game, but you're right that it should make building/converting/etc a lot better, too.
schoon wrote: Anyone remember the (sadly) limited run of multi-pose 6mm Space Marines FW did?
Yeah, most of us remember that one:
Spoiler:
However, at £2.00 a pop it's rather expensive to have a whole army of them. It's just not a 'sustainable' (in the sense of up-scalable) business wise to release infantry like that.
I remember those; they also had multipart Grey Knights on their website, but those were much too expensive to buy in the numbers needed for building an army of Deamon Hunters.
Since Titanicus is moving to a slightly larger scale, I wonder how well my Epic FW warhounds will fit in with their newer Adeptis Titanicus counterparts?
MeanGreenStompa wrote: The delay is due to what was to have been principally a resin game showing such positive feedback and so much predicted sale that The Powers That Be first moved the startup titans to plastic and then, as interest continued and BB sales continued, authorized the shifting of the entire range to plastics and therefore only add ons and accessories will now be resin. This is a mixed bag of good and bad news as it means plastics (so gaming costs greatly lowered, much better modeling experience imo, better straight lines and so on) but it also means time to move the range over to that process, competes with Citadel's main production schedule etc hence the delays.
Or, at least, that's what I might guess.
The delay sucks, but I'll take it for plastics! Mostly for wider adoption of the game, but you're right that it should make building/etc a lot better, too.
Unfortunately except as wishlisting in this thread I have not seen plastic titans mentioned as the cause of the delay, when asked at the last event they said plastic titans would be nice but that the only planned plastics would be the scenery. That was quoted in the first few pages of this thread and turned into omg plastic titans.
SeanDrake, I think it's more than wishlisting but looks like we'll have to wait to find out! It would be nice if FW would give some more hints at the next weekender since they'd shown more previously, so make sure you ask if any of you can attend
Maybe...just maybe...going to plastic means that GW realise that there is enough demand for this to make a big enough initial print run not to run out within ten minutes?
This was a no go for me when it was resin....plastic pricing is a different story.
That new diorama is looking awesome but it is in 40k scale so I would be surprised if it had anything to do with AT other than drumming up more interest.
Do wish they were a bit more forthcoming about what they have planned would be nice to hear even roughly when it will be out and what we can expect.
Pick up some miniatures from Vanguard, or old GW stuff from Ebay, build up your terrain and force, play some games of what many consider to be one of GW's finest rule systems, and get the jump on the official releases
Where do diorama makers get this cool terrain? Do they custom make it or do they custom order it?
It would be cool someday since I want to eventually make my own big diorama for my Tau army and whoever I decide to pit them against.
In my head I'm imagining a Tau vs Dark Eldar themed diorama as they fight off the raiders night attack, and then in a little small section of the battle while both forces are distracted a small DW kill team is being inserted via corvus to accomplish some clandestine objective.
Gamgee wrote: Where do diorama makers get this cool terrain? Do they custom make it or do they custom order it?
It would be cool someday since I want to eventually make my own big diorama for my Tau army and whoever I decide to pit them against.
In my head I'm imagining a Tau vs Dark Eldar themed diorama as they fight off the raiders night attack, and then in a little small section of the battle while both forces are distracted a small DW kill team is being inserted via corvus to accomplish some clandestine objective.
Stuff like that titan dock only get made by either GW themselves or by the stupendously rich - essentially everything on that image is part of a GW plastic terrain kit, they use up thousands of quid's worth at RRP on some of them. If you're doing it with a sane amount of money, you'll have to build most of it yourself using insulation foam, sheet styrene, and random bits of junk with a handful of the plastic kits for flavour.
Gamgee wrote: Where do diorama makers get this cool terrain? Do they custom make it or do they custom order it?
It would be cool someday since I want to eventually make my own big diorama for my Tau army and whoever I decide to pit them against.
In my head I'm imagining a Tau vs Dark Eldar themed diorama as they fight off the raiders night attack, and then in a little small section of the battle while both forces are distracted a small DW kill team is being inserted via corvus to accomplish some clandestine objective.
Stuff like that titan dock only get made by either GW themselves or by the stupendously rich - essentially everything on that image is part of a GW plastic terrain kit, they use up thousands of quid's worth at RRP on some of them. If you're doing it with a sane amount of money, you'll have to build most of it yourself using insulation foam, sheet styrene, and random bits of junk with a handful of the plastic kits for flavour.
Yeah, the thing to remember is that to GW those kits effectively only cost as much as the plastic that goes in to them, so for them it's only like 2 quid worth of plastic
Given there's a lot seemingly up in the air at the moment, I'll do my level best at Warhammerfest to winkle out first hand info for sharing. And I'll include pics of me chatting with the guys as well, so people can be reasonably confident (certainly as confident as one can be on the interwebs) that the info I'm sharing is legit.
Gamgee wrote: Where do diorama makers get this cool terrain? Do they custom make it or do they custom order it?
It would be cool someday since I want to eventually make my own big diorama for my Tau army and whoever I decide to pit them against.
In my head I'm imagining a Tau vs Dark Eldar themed diorama as they fight off the raiders night attack, and then in a little small section of the battle while both forces are distracted a small DW kill team is being inserted via corvus to accomplish some clandestine objective.
Stuff like that titan dock only get made by either GW themselves or by the stupendously rich - essentially everything on that image is part of a GW plastic terrain kit, they use up thousands of quid's worth at RRP on some of them. If you're doing it with a sane amount of money, you'll have to build most of it yourself using insulation foam, sheet styrene, and random bits of junk with a handful of the plastic kits for flavour.
Yeah, the thing to remember is that to GW those kits effectively only cost as much as the plastic that goes in to them, so for them it's only like 2 quid worth of plastic
Yeah that entire thing at rrp would be the deposit on a new car but at cost more like a coffe and a toastie at Costa
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Given there's a lot seemingly up in the air at the moment, I'll do my level best at Warhammerfest to winkle out first hand info for sharing. And I'll include pics of me chatting with the guys as well, so people can be reasonably confident (certainly as confident as one can be on the interwebs) that the info I'm sharing is legit.
At this point, we pretty much get to wait for each big GW event, and hope they're feeling close enough to "the date" that they'll run a demo, or let some more info out of the bag.
I've been patient this long, a little longer is not a big deal.
mjl7atlas wrote: I'm just curious about what that superheavy tank is in front of the titan is.
If you look at the Titan its on a movable platform sitting on 2 sets of rails. By the looks of it the Baneblade has been converted into a heavy tractor to tow said platform.
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