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While there are certainly scenarios where the delay could be down to unexpected problems with the game or FW/Specialists production capacity. I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed that the delay is due to GW prime having to find space in its release and production schedule for plastic kits. In the meantime I'll just have to console myself with 40k IK and Dreads

So I need to wait until next year to paint for RiTides again!!! this is not cool :-(

tneva82 wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
There is such a thriving Epic community, the rules are available for free, there has never been a better 3rd party miniature range (arguably far superior to when we last had an 'official' range) - there is no reason to wait!

Just wish GW got it's act. I would like models that actually look like 40k counterparts. And in 6mm rather than 8mm that makes battles automatically smaller scale(in terms of models you will have).

https://thepaintingbunker.com/2015/12/19/epic-scale-salamanders-army-complete/

Oh how I wish I could buy models like THAT. Too bad GW doesn't sell those and doesnt' look like they will except 8mm titans :-/

If you can't

be with the one you love

love the one you're with

[ba-da ba-da]

love the one you're with

Especially if the one you love is a frosty tease more interested in rifling through your wallet on a kinda-sorta promise of a minimal reciprocation in a year's time. If you're jonesing for a certain style of gaming in a certain scale and a certain setting, and GW is only offering one small part of that gaming experience a long, long time from now, then don't let GW dictate your gaming purchases and gaming experience.

 nerdfest09 wrote:
So I need to wait until next year to paint for RiTides again!!! this is not cool :-(

Yeah I agree, major downer!! But still, plastics will give it a much wider reach, so worth it if we get more as a result . Everyone tell FW/GW in-person at Weekenders / etc that we'll buy the heck out of it if they can do plastics!

We've waited patiently for how many years? One more is not going to dampen my ardor for the game...

 Pacific wrote:
There is such a thriving Epic community, the rules are available for free, there has never been a better 3rd party miniature range (arguably far superior to when we last had an 'official' range) - there is no reason to wait!

Indeed there is, but it all depends on what you're looking for.

For me, Epic 4th edition is (in my opinion) one of the best rulesets GW have ever put out. I still play plenty of games of Epic. However, none of the third party lines that I've seen interests me. They're capable and good looking but they don't look like Land Raiders, Mechanicus weirdness or the re-envisioned Titans. That leaves me with one choice - hooky models and recasts. No thanks. So, I'm waiting for the new Adeptus Titanicus and content to play with my existing collection in the meantime.

I dunno, but the Mauled tank by Vanguard Miniatures kinda looks like a Land Raider.

 Malika2 wrote:
I dunno, but the Mauled tank by Vanguard Miniatures kinda looks like a Land Raider.

Really? Looks nothing like it to me



Looks closer to a predator tank from C&C

Looks more like the lovechild of a Land Raider and a Sicaran.

'Nothing like...' is being a bit mean. Armoured. Tracks that go over the hull. Twin lascannons and twin heavy bolter and an armoured front door. Looks pretty 'Land Raidery' to me.

By the same degrees the Prototype in Rogue Trader, the orginal plastic model, the epic scale version of the 'Mk 2' land raider and the final, 'current' plastic land raider look nothing like one another.

OTOH I get where you're coming from. some third party stuff is a step too far away form their intended target.

Cheers
Mark

 zedmeister wrote:
For me, Epic 4th edition is (in my opinion) one of the best rulesets GW have ever put out. I still play plenty of games of Epic. However, none of the third party lines that I've seen interests me. They're capable and good looking but they don't look like Land Raiders, Mechanicus weirdness or the re-envisioned Titans. That leaves me with one choice - hooky models and recasts. No thanks. So, I'm waiting for the new Adeptus Titanicus and content to play with my existing collection in the meantime.

Option 3: go on eBay and buy the real thing!
Agreed that there are some lovely 3rd party epic offerings, but it just isn't the same. That said, if I wanted to do a Sisters, Necron or Tau army, there isn't an alternative to going unofficial.

A year delay might give GW time to push the initial release into plastic...

I remember back when this thread priced out a starter box, based on the information that a Warlord was ~ Leviathan Dreadnought. At that point, a basic force of 3 Warlords (half an Army!) would be ~240 GBP, a very steep price for an unknown and low circulation game. If I remember correctly, the thread reached the conclusion that the game had to be plastic, if only to have a chance of going beyond a few crazy collectors.

Perhaps GW saw the responses, worked out the prices more, and recognized that plastic Warhounds / Warlords was a prerequisite for the game reaching more than a minute circulation.

But there is another reason for plastic. GW has a competitive advantage in large scale and large model plastic molding. If GW released Titanicus in resin, it would be an expensive game only available to a few. Released in plastic, the game now has a chance to get to a wider audience and crowd out potential competitors.

Speaking purely personally - I'm kind of relieved.... Too many goodies already. And plastic titans are a prerequisite for me. With I'm in. Without I'm not. Simple as.

Don't get me wrong, plastic titans are great, and I really hope they're doing them from an "overall future of the game" perspective...

...but as a hobbyist, very few things compare to a good multi-pose FW titan kit in 8mm!

MarkNorfolk wrote:
'Nothing like...' is being a bit mean. Armoured. Tracks that go over the hull. Twin lascannons and twin heavy bolter and an armoured front door. Looks pretty 'Land Raidery' to me.

By the same degrees the Prototype in Rogue Trader, the orginal plastic model, the epic scale version of the 'Mk 2' land raider and the final, 'current' plastic land raider look nothing like one another.

I think there are enough visual 'tags' there to see obviously what is meant to represent. For terms of copyright, this could equally be a crude, dystopian vision of a British WW1 tank, which was the design idea behind the Rogue Trader tank also. There are lots of other miniatures that fall within the same category, and some of the Vanguard infantry in particular (check out the Novan elite) are leagues ahead of the plastic mk6 & mk7 infantry we had back in the day.

I personally don't want close approximations and the like. I want a Land Raider. Or Rhino. Or a Falcon. Or a Firestorm. etc.

Again, those look nice but don't look like Rhinos to me.

For small scale gaming, I'm content playing DZC or with my existing Epic collection. I'm happy to wait and save until AT hits before getting a Warhound and not settling for a Small Walking Robot that looks somewhat kind of like a Warhound but not quite from company X. That's why 40k remains popular despite the rules bloat - the backstory, visuals and designs.

Please everyone, ask them about infantry and tanks at every opportunity! And plastic Knights and Titans. With the delay there's a chance to show them interest for a game not only about Titans.

 zedmeister wrote:
I personally don't want close approximations and the like. I want a Land Raider. Or Rhino. Or a Falcon. Or a Firestorm. etc.

Again, those look nice but don't look like Rhinos to me.

For small scale gaming, I'm content playing DZC or with my existing Epic collection. I'm happy to wait and save until AT hits before getting a Warhound and not settling for a Small Walking Robot that looks somewhat kind of like a Warhound but not quite from company X. That's why 40k remains popular despite the rules bloat - the backstory, visuals and designs.

I think probably a lot of people feel that way. And I think it's very much a personal thing - for me, the miniatures, design and style have changed so much over the years that it's more important to capture the 'essence' or character of a miniature, rather than it looking exactly like GWs current rendition of a design.

I think you could show that picture above to any 40k gamer and they would instantly know that it's space wolves and rhinos. And especially when you are taking about 6mm here, where and infantry miniature can be placed on the end of a pin.

I guess that there are both groups here: As evident by the fact that miniature producers like Vanguard have exploded in recent years (both in terms of their popularity and the size of their range) but also that many are waiting for whatever GW decides to release and whatever format they decide to go for. In terms of the existing gaming groups, my only wish from this is that there is some compatibility between the two!

Mantis Warriors!

(OK, I'm geeking out just a bit)


Back on topic...

One interesting (on-topic) point, it's that judging by Black Library's "March of the Titans" offerings, we may get to see the semi-mythic Psi-Titans this time around.

They featured on a few of the offerings, and it seems clear to me that the original plan was to have that coincide with the release of the game.

Binabik15 wrote:Please everyone, ask them about infantry and tanks at every opportunity! And plastic Knights and Titans. With the delay there's a chance to show them interest for a game not only about Titans.

I think there is a certain inevitability. They did choose this scale around the smallest size that the different marks of power armor were distinguishable from each other... while it may just be future proofing it also shows they are considering it.

xerxeshavelock wrote:Speaking purely personally - I'm kind of relieved.... Too many goodies already. And plastic titans are a prerequisite for me. With I'm in. Without I'm not. Simple as.

It is for a lot of people. Not everyone want to work with resin no matter how much FW's quality has improved in the last couple years. Some people like challenges others just want to build.

schoon wrote:Don't get me wrong, plastic titans are great, and I really hope they're doing them from an "overall future of the game" perspective...

...but as a hobbyist, very few things compare to a good multi-pose FW titan kit in 8mm!

I agree with you, but the way I see it, IF they do some plastic Titans it frees up the resources for them to do some resin Titans and otherkits they otherwise wouldn't have been able to do. It also puts an in-store foot print to the game, so it'll be more than you and a couple of buds playing it regularly.

 schoon wrote:
One interesting (on-topic) point, it's that judging by Black Library's "March of the Titans" offerings, we may get to see the semi-mythic Psi-Titans this time around.

They featured on a few of the offerings, and it seems clear to me that the original plan was to have that coincide with the release of the game.

Which is twice in the past 6 months that this kind of thing happened with FW. And then when Inferno dropped, it still looked unpolished.

To be clear, I'm not bashing FW. It just seems like they're overwhelmed by everything they have going on right now. I'm sure they're working hard. But I'm not sure that a delay for AT means any additional plastic for the game.

 gorgon wrote:
To be clear, I'm not bashing FW. It just seems like they're overwhelmed by everything they have going on right now. I'm sure they're working hard. But I'm not sure that a delay for AT means any additional plastic for the game.

If they do plastics, I would think it would be Warlords, Reavers (maybe), and Warhounds.

Anything else would be resin or resin add ons.

This in the grand scheme of things may be a much more insignificant thought especially given that even when this comes out dismounted troops would still be a ways down the road, but if Marines are now 8mm tall, would that make them true scaled vs the older 6mm infantry?

 Collinsas wrote:
This in the grand scheme of things may be a much more insignificant thought especially given that even when this comes out dismounted troops would still be a ways down the road, but if Marines are now 8mm tall, would that make them true scaled vs the older 6mm infantry?

Pretty much yes. Would certainly make them nicely imposing.

Anyone remember the (sadly) limited run of multi-pose 6mm Space Marines FW did?

 schoon wrote:
Anyone remember the (sadly) limited run of multi-pose 6mm Space Marines FW did?

Yeah, most of us remember that one:


However, at £2.00 a pop it's rather expensive to have a whole army of them. It's just not a 'sustainable' (in the sense of up-scalable) business wise to release infantry like that.

I've still got mine in its packet somewhere. Back from when forgeworld did more fun things for event miniatures.

Since it says it was 7mm tall, wouldn't that fit fine with 8mm scale Epic? I'd love to see one of those in person

Rumour I heard is that GW are changing direction again and part of that is specialist games is getting scaled back, so don't expect anything other than bloodbowl anytime soon (see the aborted release of Necromunda and Titanicus disapearing off the release schedule).