For something completely different, painted Drakharim on the blog.

http://www.manticblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/drakkarim-with-Rocket-Launcher.jpg

Ouch. Not so hot.

Fetterkey wrote:Ouch. Not so hot.

you don't like it? I think he look exactly like he should. A heavily armored long range killer.

Here's the two Drakkarim. If you don't like the steel warriors, you wont like them, but I think they look like fine additions to the line. I especially like the stylized "Dragons Breath" flamer, though the slighty bent, knees-together legs do make it look a bit like he has to urinate.

Better picture of the whole unit, they're looking pretty good, IMO:



In addition, I know a lot of people on here weren't happy with the forgefather steel warriors sprue (understatement of the year, there) , so Mantic has now released 6 different metal bitz packs so that you can fix whatever issues you have with them, whether it's the fantasy legs, the 1-piece torso, or the lack of special/ heavy weapons on the sprue.

These are the contents of the 6 different bitz packs:

- 10x enclosed helm heads
- 5x torsos
- 5x legs
- 5x rifle arms
- 5x flamer arms
- 1x rocket launcher

100% of the options in the forgefather army list are now covered, and buyable.

Also:

Also:

http://www.warseer.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=129795&d=1327081318

Just look at the mouth on the right side (seems to be holding a weapon as well) and the guy in the vent, clearly he has a canie style jaw, Werewolfs in space? I'm so sold if it's true .

Looks more rodent like.

Not-Hrud maybe?



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Anyways the artwork is fantastic

That picture looks the business. Having seen some of the gameplay for "Rage", Warpath seem quite similar, like the Marauder Raptor, and now the Corporation. I do like it!

Great, I didn't realise it would be released so soon!

I think Mantic have been so astute with their releases recently, they have recognised a hole in the market and are putting some good releases out there to fill it. Personally, I would love it for them to go one step further, and put releases of their all-in-one boxsets on the shelves of Toys'r'US, and other toy shops. It was a way GW used to get new players into the hobby with their MB/GW games, and I would love to see Mantic do the same.

New blog post with list of future releases for KoW.

- Plastic goblin archers.
- Resin plastic abyssal dwarf halfbreeds (bull centaurs) + other new kits in a release wave for the abyssal dwarves.
- New unit of elite undead.

More news to be posted tommorow.

Edit: Loads of stuff posted about their future rules dev for KoW.

The following stuff will be of particular interest to scipio:

1) The updated core rules will be free to download from the website – and they will stay free, so anyone who wants to give it a try can do so with a few models and some free rules.

2) We will be launching a range of starter forces – so for a very reasonable amount of money you can buy a small force with rules and some dice – and the forces will be balanced to allow you to battle your friend.

3) You will be able to trade in your 56 page rule book for a discount off the new one – because we want to bring everyone with us, while bringing in more new blood to make Kings of War the gaming system of choice.

Just had the weekly email from Wayland Games today, they have started pre-orders for the Corporation minis. Here are the details:

This week the guys from Mantic Games dropped by and gave us a sample of some of The Corporation figures as well as a private sneak-peak of their releases for later in 2012. So while we cannot tell you what we have seen, we can tell you that The Corporation miniatures are exceptionally detailed and what Mantic have in the pipeline for Warpath and their other ranges is nothing short of astounding!

Corporation Army Set (£37.49) http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/mantic-games/warpath/the-corporation/corporation-army-set/prod_15126.html
- Warpath Rules Set
- 20 x Marines with Energy Fist and Special Weapon options
- 3 x two-man Heavy Weapon Squad with Heavy Laser and Autocannon Variants
- 10 x Veterans – 8 Veterans with Special Weapons and 1 two-man Heavy Weapons Team.
- 10 x Corporation Rangers with drop-packs and 9 Special Weapons.
- 40 x 25mm Round Mantic Bases

Corporation Major General (£4.87) http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/mantic-games/warpath/the-corporation/corporation-major-general/prod_15125.html
- Single metal miniature in blister (guy with the cigar)

Corporation Heavy Weapons teams (£13.13) http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/mantic-games/warpath/the-corporation/corporation-heavy-weapon-teams/prod_15124.html
- 3 x two-man Heavy Weapon Squad
- Includes Heavy Laser and Autocannon variants
- 25mm Round Mantic Bases

Corporation Veterans (£11.99) http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/mantic-games/warpath/the-corporation/corporation-veterans/prod_15123.html
- 8 x Corporation Veterans
- 1 x two-man Heavy Weapon Squad with Heavy Laser or Autocannon variants
- Commander options including Energy Fist and Pistol
- 3 Varieties of Special Weapons
- 10 x 25mm Round Mantic Bases

Corporation Rangers (£11.99) http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/mantic-games/warpath/the-corporation/corporation-rangers/prod_15122.html
- 10 x Corporation Rangers
- Commander options including Energy Fist and Pistol
- Drop-packs
- 9 Special Weapons (3 of each variety)
- 10 x 25mm Round Mantic Bases

Corporation Marine twin pack (£18.74) http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/mantic-games/warpath/the-corporation/corporation-marine-twin-pack/prod_15121.html
- 20 x Corporation Marines with Rifles
- 1 x Commander options including Energy Fist and Pistol
- 3 Varieties of Special Weapons
- 20 x 25mm Round Mantic Bases


I will let others dissect the value of these and their uses, although I will say they look like cracking deals. Personally speaking, that dream of mine of having an Elysian themed IG army of drop troops might finally become a reality.

scarletsquig wrote:Better picture of the whole unit, they're looking pretty good, IMO:



In addition, I know a lot of people on here weren't happy with the forgefather steel warriors sprue (understatement of the year, there) , so Mantic has now released 6 different metal bitz packs so that you can fix whatever issues you have with them, whether it's the fantasy legs, the 1-piece torso, or the lack of special/ heavy weapons on the sprue.

These are the contents of the 6 different bitz packs:

- 10x enclosed helm heads
- 5x torsos
- 5x legs
- 5x rifle arms
- 5x flamer arms
- 1x rocket launcher

100% of the options in the forgefather army list are now covered, and buyable.

Also:

Why does the flame thrower look totally out of place against the rest of the weaopns load out? The design looks too ancient and the paint job is pretty scrappy.

Their missile launcher looks odd too. I get the tube to hold the round, but it is almost rendered invisible by everything lese attached to it.

The corporation stuff looks really good, and those prices are absolutely affordable too. Looking forward to seeing the pictures of full squads. Will probably get at least a platoon of these guys.

Still aint pre ordering squat till I see actual models

kenshin620 wrote:Still aint pre ordering squat till I see actual models

Agreed. I'm interested in the federation stuff, but who would pre-order unseen models?

Lt. Coldfire wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:Still aint pre ordering squat till I see actual models

Agreed. I'm interested in the federation stuff, but who would pre-order unseen models?

Battletech fans

I've never even seen a battletech model in person lol, why would that make us battletech fans?

Before everyone starts another 5-page rant about blind pre-orders, I'd just like to point out that it's rumoured that more pics of the Corporation are being shown tomorrow/ at the weekend, in the mantic newsletter.

Wayland jumped the gun on this, is all.

Corporation may get my interest in Warpath, Space Dwarves and Orx not my cuppa. But I do like sci fi humans so I hope that the pictures for models show something nice.

It is the same with KoW I would love to do a human fantasy army that is in no way related to Warhammer. But until then I do like their Elven and Undead range.

I would like a new system and maybe for big scale games Mantic could deliver, soon

Goblins.





Really nice models, IMO.

Yes, they're metal. The models were sculpted, and then mantic realised that:

a) The sculpts aren't suitable for hard plastic (too many undercuts, I guess).
b) The kit would be even more expensive than metal if they made it in restic due to component count.

So, they are metal for now, £15 for 10.

Plastic goblin archers are being sent off for tooling soon, so there will be some plastic put out in the short term as well.

Holy Hobgoblins batman; yeah, metal and not cheap enough so they don't gets my moolah.

Goblin-tastic!

I think they look cute! Definitely be interested in some plastic archers as well. Is there anything still missing from the Orc KoW list now or do we have everything?

^ Trolls, chariots and Wyvern are all still on the to-do list for Orcs. There's high odds that mantic will add new units to the list, too.

they look good, I like the big beefy noses.

I already have way too many GW gobbos to paint though, if I got these they'd sit in the box and never get touched :( Or built and sit on my shelf till they have dust and cobwebs.

Spotted by Mr. Wintermute over on Warseer

http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=201201270700122608W

Hornby will distribute Mantic's "Kings of War" product range under our highly complementary Humbrol brand. In doing so we will enter the lucrative fantasy war gaming market, and provide a further vehicle for sales of our Humbrol paint ranges.

Interesting, very interesting!

The model railway market is an entirely separate (and sizeable) beast, even though it's possible to draw parallels between both that and wargaming.

Good to see Mantic acting pro-actively in any case, the next step for them surely will be to have a release of their board games (Dwarf King's Hold and the forthcoming project pandora) on the shelves of toy stores such as Toys'R'Us.

Expect a "Corporation Dossier" in your email from Mantic soon, newsletter guys.

My own thoughts on the models?

They're not bad. They look too much like Pig Iron's stuff for my taste, but the Corporation Rangers do look good.

The heavy weapon teams however are...blah. They look way too skinny and off proportioned.

They look great, but the paintjob throws them off a little.

Specifically, the top of their boots have been painted as if they are part of their trousers, which is a bit jarring.

I love the use of all the pentagonal elements on their armour. Chest armour is pentagonal, shoulder pads, pentagonal, even the faceplate is a clipped-off pentagon.

They're certainly looking a lot more unique than the "copy + paste elysians" claim that gets thrown around.

Because the "top of their boots" is actually part of their trousers. They appear to have set them up so that they are "bloused" ala the US Airborne in WWII.

I'm still not a fan of the space dwarves. Just don't get their aesthetic or fluff attraction.

The Corporation Dossier e-mail got sent out. I somehow was able to download the pdf fine on my cellphone, but not my computer.

Images:

Action:



Marines:


Rangers:


Heavy Weapons:

Absolutionis wrote:The Corporation Dossier e-mail got sent out. I somehow was able to download the pdf fine on my cellphone, but not my computer.

I'm really getting an Imperial Guard (as in the first, Rogue Trader IG plastic set) vibe from these. Especially the Corporation Marines heads.

I sort of like it. If I wasn't thinking of starting to do 40k in tournaments I would think about buying them.

For those wanting to download it but are having no end of troubles, try this link;

http://gallery.mailchimp.com/e62f0c35454fa3ba687404d69/files/The_Corporation_Dossier.pdf

That should solve the problem (it did for me).

Edit: I like the look of them. The guns seem a little too big for them (they are much more realisticly scaled than GW, thank god... They have realistic looking legs!), but that is easily overcome, and I hope there is several different head choices as I am not too crazy on either atm.

Looks like a Brotherhood of Nod army might be on the cards after all!

Uploaded images.

As an aside, I'm rather liking them. The paint job doesn't do them justice, but their weapons are a much better Lasgun, and they'd do well with a headswap.

These are going to be plastic (plastic-resin, whatever) and multipart with separate heads, right?

E: ^- Ninja'ed -^

Yep, so far as I have heard.

Multiple options for heads. Special weapons also included.
Heavy Weapons teams have choice between Laser Cannon and Autocannon. Also, added in parts for squad leaders (energy fist and pistols).

Looks like a great starter set. Wouldn't be too difficult to add in other heavy weapons types from other sources. Wonder what the scale of 1:48 RPG's would be like. Possibly too thin.

Might go to alternative suppliers for the weapons though. Or trim theirs down somewhat, they just look a little too beefy for my liking.

I like the look, but I'm almost glad I don't like them more. I really dont' need another IG army.

Eventually mantic will release a Warpath range that I can actually build a 40k army out (that I don't already have), and I'll be in big trouble.

They look nice. I could see me getting a few to use for IG vets, or maybe stormtroopers.

Fenriswulf wrote:Looks like a Brotherhood of Nod army might be on the cards after all!

Well spotted!

These are really close to the C&C Nod designs, and that is definitely a good thing as far as evil sci-fi humans go.

I'm really liking that the models do look evil, you have the "faceless" troopers with the blank visor, and a lot of sharp angular elements as well as the pentagon design theme running through everything. (Also note the 5-pointed star on the leader and the Copyright symbol painted on to the heavy weapon).

Humans are the only "Evil" faction in the Warpath universe, which is one of the main things that will make the setting quite interesting, I think.

One of the things I never liked about 40k was how they dull down or dilute the atrocities committed by the Imperium and cast the mass-genocide/ extermination of all non-humans (even non-agressive ones) as being somehow utterly neccessary, and spin them as "the good guys" all the time (only a few of the better BL authors have bothered to do anything interesting or alternative on that note). It'll be nice to see the development of a game setting where the "humans = evil plague on the galaxy" thing is treated properly.

Why. Why do they always have to be on one knee firing a canon. It looks ridiculous.

scarletsquig wrote:
I'm really liking that the models do look evil, you have the "faceless" troopers with the blank visor, and a lot of sharp angular elements as well as the pentagon design theme running through everything. (Also note the 5-pointed star on the leader and the Copyright symbol painted on to the heavy weapon).

Looks like a Sheriff's star (or since they look to be one-per-squad, Sergeant's insignia) and a "Company C" symbol to me. vv

And I don't see a pentagram theme? Can you give me some help seeing it?

Wow, very disappointed by these. I liked the earlier Corporation stuff, but the limbs on these guys-- especially the arms on the Marines and legs on the Rangers-- look really "weedy" and disproportionate in comparison to the bulky armor. The poses (or lack thereof) don't help much either. Adding kneepads would have REALLY helped these sculpts, both in terms of realism and general aesthetics.

Ah well, I suppose more "budget IG" options aren't really unreasonable to ask for, and I do prefer these to the WGF greatcoats, but they could have been a lot more.

Doctor Optimal wrote:

And I don't see a pentagram theme? Can you give me some help seeing it?

Pentagon theme, not pentagram.

Chest armour is made up of 2 pentagonal pieces. Shoulder pads have a pentagonal design if viewed from the side (on the basic marines) and from above (on the rangers). The faceplates are also clipped-down pentagons. It's easier to see if you download the .pdf to look at the larger images.

It's subtle, but it's there and quite interesting as a design. The forgefathers have a lot of hexagons in their armour design too if you look, the designer is definitely keeping a sharp eye on the geometry of each range.

especially the arms on the Marines and legs on the Rangers-- look really "weedy" and disproportionate in comparison to the bulky armor.

Accurate, true-scale 28mm, just like all of Mantic's stuff.

They're not heroic-scale like GWs, but if you compare these to another truescale sci-fi range like infinity/ at-43/ dust tactics the proportions aren't all that much different.

In fact, if you want your guardsmen to not be both larger and beefier than your space marines (like the GW ones are), then these are great, much closer to the excellent 2nd edition IG metals that the Perrys sculpted (and the plastic rogue trader guard).

Worth noting that the rangers have jump packs on their backs, too.

scarletsquig wrote:

Doctor Optimal wrote:

And I don't see a pentagram theme? Can you give me some help seeing it?

Pentagon theme, not pentagram.

Chest armour is made up of 2 pentagonal pieces. Shoulder pads have a pentagonal design if viewed from the side (on the basic marines) and from above (on the rangers). The faceplates are also clipped-down pentagons. It's easier to see if you download the .pdf to look at the larger images.

It's subtle, but it's there and quite interesting as a design. The forgefathers have a lot of hexagons in their armour design too if you look, the designer is definitely keeping a sharp eye on the geometry of each range.

I saw pentagon but assumed you meant pentagram (since you were talking about the evil stuff). I do see the pentagon thing. A lot of good flat surfaces too, should paint up pretty well (better than the jobs in the pdf).

Very impressed by these! The best thing to have come out of Warpth so far. I couldn't think of any other paint scheme that would suit them best. I like the proportions, and the style.

WELL DONE MANTIC!

I'm disappointed, too ... The sketches were really good, but the actual models seem way far from them...

scarletsquig wrote:
Accurate, true-scale 28mm, just like all of Mantic's stuff.

They're not heroic-scale like GWs, but if you compare these to another truescale sci-fi range like infinity/ at-43/ dust tactics the proportions aren't all that much different.

In fact, if you want your guardsmen to not be both larger and beefier than your space marines (like the GW ones are), then these are great, much closer to the excellent 2nd edition IG metals that the Perrys sculpted (and the plastic rogue trader guard).

I think these models are far away from real proportions, BTW, Infinity models are way better in that sense.
They are so close to the GW's off-proportions, but in other way: Their heads seem to be too big, the arms too long and the legs too short and skinny. The poses also seem a bit weird and unnatural to me...

However, trying to be positive, i'll wait until i can see some detailed photos of the actual pieces or assembled models without paint, because the pics from Mantic are terribles, like their paint jobs, and make decent models look awful.

The CM's don't look too bad but the rangers seem to have huge heads and shoulders. The ranger's guns look pretty cool, but I would have to chop off the barrel of the CM's guns. The CM's arms don't actually seem to be stuck onto the torsos on some of the models - it looks almost as if some of them have floating arms only connected by a couple of centimetres of tissue.

Overall the poses look kind of weak. And why do all their boots have little rivets on them?

I have to say as a general concept - 7/10, some of the details look cool, but some really bad (IMO) design choices and sculpting/posing drag my score down to 5/10.

I'll get a box of regular marines, they'll make excellent Rogue Trader mooks or space commies / nazis / murkins for 7TV.

scarletsquig wrote:

especially the arms on the Marines and legs on the Rangers-- look really "weedy" and disproportionate in comparison to the bulky armor.

Accurate, true-scale 28mm, just like all of Mantic's stuff.

What? Look at their guns. These definitely aren't any kind of realistic scale. Also, look at the bulkiness of the shoulder and torso armor in comparison to the rest of the body. Compare, for instance:

No wait, not marines, but those recon guys, just need to swap them heads for something better.

They are thin people but...

it is very likely that the human figure will have changed in a few thousand years.

The lascannon looks really nice

ChocolateGork wrote:it is very likely that the human figure will have changed in a few thousand years.

Aside from getting generally taller, it hasn't changed all that much in the last 50,000 or so...

Maybe it's the master race or something.

Ehh, they look ok. Probably wont get any though. Some weird mis mash of elysians and pig iron. I really hate the fists though, must they be on all sergeants?

ShumaGorath wrote:Why. Why do they always have to be on one knee firing a canon. It looks ridiculous.

Because then people will complain about this

Fetterkey wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:

especially the arms on the Marines and legs on the Rangers-- look really "weedy" and disproportionate in comparison to the bulky armor.

Accurate, true-scale 28mm, just like all of Mantic's stuff.

What? Look at their guns. These definitely aren't any kind of realistic scale. Also, look at the bulkiness of the shoulder and torso armor in comparison to the rest of the body. Compare, for instance:

Even though i agree with the rangers , your pic doesnt work, its taken from foot up, so perspectives.

But then again, we are comparing with GW too right? and Mantics have way better proportions anyways

In the grim darkness of THIS far future humanity mostly wears jeggings.

Absolutionis wrote:The Corporation Dossier e-mail got sent out. I somehow was able to download the pdf fine on my cellphone, but not my computer.

Images:

Action:



Marines:


Rangers:


Heavy Weapons:

I like them. Not as Guard replacements, but for what they are, even the larger than normal helmets kind of work for me. Guess I may well get on the Mantic wagon at some point

Fetterkey wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:

especially the arms on the Marines and legs on the Rangers-- look really "weedy" and disproportionate in comparison to the bulky armor.

Accurate, true-scale 28mm, just like all of Mantic's stuff.

What? Look at their guns. These definitely aren't any kind of realistic scale. Also, look at the bulkiness of the shoulder and torso armor in comparison to the rest of the body. Compare, for instance:

Thier gun looks like its based off the real world FN-F2000, not the M16 you pictured.

Here an update on the Dark Elves:

Mantic wrote:Twilight
January 27th, 2012

It’s Friday afternoon and it’s gotten dark outside, which can mean only one thing – the naughty Elves are out to play! The Twilight Kin are the sixth race for Kings of War and launch with six new kits including a Mega Army right off the bat:


The Twilight Kin Spearmen contain metal heads, spears and cloaks to transform the plastic Elf sprue into their Dark cousins. Suitably evil and plenty of scales and spikes!




Based on the Scout frame, we’ve created both one handed and two-handed crossbows to make both Shadows and Crossbowmen for lots of poisonous death from afar, plus plenty of scaly cloaks and pointy helmets!

Just like the Abyssal Dwarfs these kits are not only great for army building but for people who enjoy modelling, converting or adding special units into their army. They are fantastic fun to build (I used my metal bits on the Revenant Cavalry bodies – should I get them on the blog?) and great to paint – we think the job by Golem is just stunning, one of our best painted armies!

NB: Naturally the Assassin is doing what Assassin’s do best – hiding. We’re hoping to have her to show off soon, but for now be rest assured that she is around, watching you… with knives. Oh, and she’s free in the first print run of the Twilight Kin Mega Army!

A video: http://www.manticblog.com/?p=5284 and:

Assassin! Assassin!
January 25th, 2012

The week continues with two new posts today and first up, we have the Twilight Kin Assassin Concept Art.

The Assassin is a new blister from Mantic Games and we’ll have the painted figure back from Golem Painting Studio in the next couple of days. For now, we have the concept art for the Twilight Assassin – a piece a few of you more eagle eyed viewers have seen by trawling our website (perhaps you guys could be Assassins too with these reflexes?)

Anyways, check it out:

I like them way, way more than the 'good' Elf models. The armour looks a lot more in scale than spindly...

I'm all in for getting a platoon or two of the Corp. Will use as IG and/or Tau (with the Hammer-Slammer tanks as the Hammerheads!! )

They might be viable IG standins now after seeing them.

yeah i realy like them .and the price point is good too . hopefully the vehicals will be good too .

Okay, now for the actually serious pics. :p

I ripped the hi-res images out of the Corporation .pdf, they needed a little cleanup work (they were very roughly edited to make them transparent, which turned a few parts of the model transparent, hence why there's a couple of parts on the second pic that look screwy):

Corporation Marines:

Corporation Rangers:

Corporation Burst Laser (autocannon):

Corporation Light Laser Cannon (lascannon):

Compel wrote:I like them way, way more than the 'good' Elf models. The armour looks a lot more in scale than spindly...

Really? You do know that these are the same models just with different heads and bits right?

Does EVERYONE ELSE think that the bottom helmets look wayyyy better.


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Oh i see those are the rangers.

Will the kits come with ranger heads? If so i am on board

I love all the helmets.

Though if this isnt in plastic, Im going to hate mantic for being stupid -_-

LunaHound wrote:I love all the helmets.

Though if this isnt in plastic, Im going to hate mantic for being stupid -_-

Oh noes, let's not get back to this one

The resin plastic is technically plastic, but not the stuff that we're normally used to. Seriously though, the resin plastic stuff is really good to use. You have to use super glue or something similar, but it's light enough not to put too much strain on the bond.

I reckon that this is the best thing that Mantic's ever put out. Let's just hope that, if the Corporation is successful enough, Mantic will treat us with plastic

Thanks for the pictures, 'squig

Unfortunately I like plastic because of how permanent plastic cement is. Even though restick is light, it still uses super glue....

And Goblins in metal? why?? the horde of all horde army should never be in metal.....

LunaHound wrote:

And Goblins in metal? why?? the horde of all horde army should never be in metal.....

Yea I think that was a bad idea by mantic, they OVERdetailed ( the end is nigh!) the models I think which made it terribly hard and even more expensive to make in plastic. So spearmen are metal while the archers are plastic

Although plenty of large armies can be metal, just ask any historical player that uses one of the less popular armies

I am sure that when Mantic get the kinks worked out of their sprue casting problems with Renedra that Goblins will be coming out in plastic very quickly.

Now that Mantic are releasing Corporation (especially the Rangers), I will be making a Brotherhood of Nod themed Elysian Drop Troop army to start off with. Already have the "Valkyries" (Avatar Movie Scorpion Gunships - Cheap at $19 each!), all I need is some of these, a few counts-as Venetaurs, and some kitbashed sentinels and I am in business. No GW products need be used at all. Liking this more and more.

Does the final sprue only have 2 different bodies (plus a kneeling one for the weapon team)?

Aparently, there are 3 bodys:
- left foot in front, right foot back, rised
- right foot in front, left foot in back
- left foot in front, right foot in back, fully in ground

Anyway, i really like them... It is a shame i dont like warpath ruleset OR Imperial Guard...

Maybe i could use them for a "count as" hench-man/grey knight army... Lets see what future holds for the line

I love these models great job Mantic!

Well, spotted, it does look like 4 leg variants in total (3 standing and 1 kneeling).

I'm just glad that the upper torso has separate arms, heads and guns on all the models. That gives plenty of scope for avoding clone troopers and conversions.

If you want a different look for the models, pig iron does a ton of "heads bitz packs" at a price of £4.50 for 20, so conversion potential for these is pretty big.

At least with humans, there is absolutely no shortage of 28mm heads out there, although personally, I really like the heads they come with.

Looks like even the basic marines set will include special weapons. And the rangers set will have 9 special weapons (3x3) in it, so if you want IG veterans loaded with meltas, the box will have you covered.

Looking at them more, they remind me of the Halo Marines and Orbital Drop Ship Troopers. Which is frankly pretty kool.

Thanks for the pics squig! I like these fellas a lot. They seem well suited for IG but would also look very at home in Infinity.

I think the Rangers have different guns to the Marines?

Or are they all holding special weapons? I am hoping they are using bullpup style guns, as they look better than the ones the Marines are tooling around with.

Can't wait for these releases. Wonder what else is coming down the pipeline. Hoping for a futuristic looking tank or something similar.

Fenriswulf wrote:I think the Rangers have different guns to the Marines?

Or are they all holding special weapons? I am hoping they are using bullpup style guns, as they look better than the ones the Marines are tooling around with.

In the army list, the rangers have slightly shorter ranged, more powerful guns compared to the basic marines... so that would be what the models in the picture are armed with, an alternate version of the laser rifle. I guess the 40k equivalent would be hellguns?

There are no special weapons shown in the pictures, we saw the concept art for those a while ago and they look different. They'll definitely be included though, 9 of them in the rangers kit (3 each of flamer, melta and something else).

It's not easy to see in the pics, but the rangers also come with optional drop packs/ grav chutes on their backs. In Warpath they are able to do a deep-strike-style deployment prior to the start of the game.

Excellent. I like their style of guns a lot more. Thanks for that!

I also want to see what the drop packs look like. I've seen the concept art, but want to see how they are now.

Cheers!

Got a couple of individuals of the rangers as well:





So yeah, different rifle from the marines, and then special weapons in the kit as well, plus drop-packs, power fist and a pistol for the sergeant. And those cool looking Halo type heads...

I think these are pretty dang awesome. One thing I'd like to see, as previously mentioned, would be kneepads. Their legs look a little too bare IMO. They've got a hardcore torso plate, arm protectors, a full face helmet and plated boots, but naked legs? Not sure about that.

I think the corporation dudes look pretty cool.I will be buying some.

Some new pics posted on the Mantic site via Scarletsquig on Warseer

That general or whatever his rank is will make for an excellent boss arbiter.

I can sooo see bunch of people converting the power fist to have middle finger up...

Hm, some I really like. Some are okay, and some look ill-proportioned. Not sure if I'll buy them or not (I don't actually need any more models).

This just surfaced on the net.

LunaHound wrote:I can sooo see bunch of people converting the power fist to have middle finger up...

I-dddeeaaa!

Seriously, I'm going to do that.

I'll probably get 2 of the commander models anyway, and this will make the second one look better.

Mantic have released a bunh of new stuff, including army deals with Avatars of War stuff, and a way to preorder everything released in the next 3 months to avoid possible (they said it) stock shortages.

Pffft, what a load of gak, their "Elite" service. While I like the Corporation bit of it, the rest is a bit too iffy.

Read all about it here: http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Mantic-Elite.html

A nice idea...

However, only a 20 quid saving on something I don't know about.

Then again, since sign up lasts until the end of Feb, I suppose they'd tell the customer more first.

BrookM wrote:Pffft, what a load of gak, their "Elite" service. While I like the Corporation bit of it, the rest is a bit too iffy.

Read all about it here: http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Mantic-Elite.html

This is absurd.

Compel wrote:A nice idea...

However, only a 20 quid saving on something I don't know about.

Then again, since sign up lasts until the end of Feb, I suppose they'd tell the customer more first.

Yeah, pics of the models and reveal of the 8th race is supposed to be next Monday. They jumped the gun on this a little, guess they just wanted it ready to put in this week's newsletter.

The "expecting serious stock shortages so buy this now to make sure you get it on time!" line is kinda sucky however you look at it.

scarletsquig wrote:

Compel wrote:A nice idea...

However, only a 20 quid saving on something I don't know about.

Then again, since sign up lasts until the end of Feb, I suppose they'd tell the customer more first.

Yeah, pics of the models and reveal of the 8th race is supposed to be next Monday. They jumped the gun on this a little, guess they just wanted it ready to put in this week's newsletter.

The "expecting serious stock shortages so buy this now to make sure you get it on time!" line is kinda sucky however you look at it.

Sounds a bit desperate to me they way Mantic is presenting this.

I think it's pretty much how they have gone on since the outset, offering bigger discounts on sets before the models are revealed. Although this is taking things a step further, before we have even seen the concept of the miniature - they could be umbrella wielding apes riding unicycles for all we know (an unlikely proposition, but not entirely unattractive I admit). But, if as ScarletSquig says the reveal of the models is on the way, it's not such a big issue.

I agree in that it's not something I personally would do, but they've been doing it for as long as the company has been going so presumably some people must be buying it.

Mantic really likes the idea of people paying for things they haven't seen yet. It's a novel idea, but I'm not taking a gamble on buying models I might not like.

Again, rumored release of 8th race images is monday, and like people have said before, you don't have to buy it. Mantic is only putting an option to out there.

Brother SRM wrote:Mantic really likes the idea of people paying for things they haven't seen yet. It's a novel idea, but I'm not taking a gamble on buying models I might not like.

Yeah, they obviously didn't learn from the fantasy dwarves with guns fiasco.

Had this weeks newsletter last night, here are the contents for anyone interested:

New pic of the corp:


Confirmation of details about 'Mantic Elite'

Mantic Elite guarantees you will get the sets first and with a saving of over £20 on the sets individually, makes it incredibly affordable to get all of the upcoming figures.

More details on Project Pandora and 8th Race are coming next week (see sidebar!). Sign-up for Mantic Elite ends 29th February, so don't miss out!

Essentially, sidebar says there are more details on the blog, and 'Project Pandora' week starts on Monday 13th, leading up to its release.

Also, looks like Mantic are teaming up with Avatars of War, for some multi-pack deals:

Avatars of War
Every Army needs a hero and we’ve brought in some great Avatars of War blisters to offer you even more choice in who leads your army across the battlefield! As is the Mantic way, we’ve bundled them together free in one-click army deals.

The Court of the Countess contains a free AoW Vampire Countess and 130+ figures whilst Rulaf's Stonebreaker Legion includes 20 AoW Berserkers and over 100 plastic Dwarfs.

Basically, 'Court of Countess' deal is 120-odd figures, + free AoW vampire countess miniature for £74.99 - details here: http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Kings-of-War/Special-Army-Deals/Product/Court-of-the-Vampire-Countess-Army-Deal-121-Figures.html?utm_source=Mantic+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=5ffd2763ea-Mantic_Games_Newsletter_134&utm_medium=email

Interesting that Mantic and AoW have teamed up like this, although it makes perfect sense in some ways - especially as the AoW special characters are some bloody beautiful sculpts, and I love their Dwarf Beserkers.

Can't wait for Project Pandora though, Dwarf King's Hold was a great deal of fun and I would thoroughly recommend to anyone who has £30 or so loose in their pocket.

What is the 8th race for May?

LunaHound wrote:What is the 8th race for May?

We'll know by next week

I wonder who actually bought the Elite package already

lord_blackfang wrote:

BrookM wrote:Pffft, what a load of gak, their "Elite" service. While I like the Corporation bit of it, the rest is a bit too iffy.

Read all about it here: http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Mantic-Elite.html

This is absurd.

Sry, but this sound very strange... If you dont want to buy with big discounts without knowing the product, just dont do it. It is just an extra option...

Exactly, an option.

Okay, this Thursday for the 8th race reveal instead.

They're doing some rules/ tiles previews before then.

Looks like the 8th race is going to be the space rats.

No, that would be too original. It'll be xenomorphs.

I'm kind of hoping it will be space-skaven actually, and the 'mysterious cargo' they are trying to steal is cheese.
Really, I think a lot of people were disappointed that they got remade as 'swamp-thing wearing flairs' in the 40k xenomorphs book.

'Project Pandora' Grim Cargo is now up for pre-order, for release in April. Here are the details from the weekly newsletter.

PROJECT PANDORA: GRIM CARGO



Project Pandora: Grim Cargo is sci-fi board game pitting the Corporation against the mysterious 8th Race, who have boarded a Corporation Starship in attempt to steal its precious cargo – a cargo which the Corporation will do everything in it’s power to keep hold of.
Written by the author of the sell-out Dwarf King’s Hold series, the game features an innovative dice-driven combat mechanic and a scenario based narrative, allowing you to recreate the mission.

It includes 20 highly detailed plastic Corporation and 8th Race miniatures, stunning new artwork depicting the starship and action counters, and the Grim Cargo rulebook, featuring a host of fast paced and easy to learn rules that will lead to some incredibly tense games.

THIS SET INCLUDES:
Project Pandora: Grim Cargo Ruleset
10 x Corporation Marines
10 x 8th Race Scavengers
Starship Tilepack
Game Counters and Dice
Price: 34.99 (GBP)

As I have said many times, Dwarf King's Hold is a great game, and I have a good impression of Jake Thornton as a games writer, and really for less than the price of a night out I think it's worth the money. Hopefully this one will follow in a similar manner.

10 x Corporation Marines
10 x 8th Race Scavengers


This makes me think the 8th Race will be Space Skaven in the same vein as Genestealer-lite. Fast H2H monsters compared to the shooty Corp marines.

lord marcus wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:

especially the arms on the Marines and legs on the Rangers-- look really "weedy" and disproportionate in comparison to the bulky armor.

Accurate, true-scale 28mm, just like all of Mantic's stuff.

What? Look at their guns. These definitely aren't any kind of realistic scale. Also, look at the bulkiness of the shoulder and torso armor in comparison to the rest of the body. Compare, for instance:

Thier gun looks like its based off the real world FN-F2000, not the M16 you pictured.

Thats an AR-15, the M-16 is much longer, also has a forward hand grip, not a rail system like pictured.

As a side note, I just bought an AR-15.

Now back back to your regularly scheduled thread...

That's an m4 not an ar15. Just to be accurate.

Not to sound negative, but they have been hyping up how mysterious this 8th race is for a little while now, why do I get the feeling it's going to be very disappointing, especially after seeing them listed as scavengers on the Project Pandora pre-order page. I mean they're just going to be not-Hurd/space skaven aren't they? after all GW fans have been asking for it for a while, so mantic are just going to cash in on it right?

Not trying to upset the mantic fans out there, but it all seems so "Meh" if that's the case. Who knows maybe the sculpts will be cool and mantic will do space rats from a really unique perspective/design style in which case I'll be happy to change my mind, but if it's just stereotypical rat-men with sci-fi bits chucked on, then what's the point, why get excited over that?

It's going to be space elf madness!

Almost certainly, they will be space Skaven. Note the snout with incisor at the far right, and the humanoid, though clawed, hand coming out of the ceiling.

In the far lower left, you can see a hunched figure- looking very much like a rat in robes, or scavenged gear.

Rolt wrote:I mean they're just going to be not-Hurd/space skaven aren't they?

I'd just like to nip the "Mantic stole Hrud from GW" discussion in the bud before it begins by posting this picture of a Hrud. They are not space rats, and are described as "the bendies" in Black Library novels where they appear.

I've been thinking, if they are space-skaven, and the cargo the Corporation is protecting is cheese - what does the 'grim' refer to? Perhaps a shipment of Stinking Bishop?


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scarletsquig wrote:

Rolt wrote:I mean they're just going to be not-Hurd/space skaven aren't they?

I'd just like to nip the "Mantic stole Hrud from GW" discussion in the bud before it begins by posting this picture of a Hrud. They are not space rats:

Or, you could choose to entirely discount that fairy-santa-magic killing picture in the Xenology book, and go with the previous interpretation before GW had a fun/imagination failure

Previous interpretation:



Still not looking very ratlike. Looking much more like a carbon copy of the Jawas from Star Wars.

Any other sources, show 'em.

Of course, if we do get "space werewolves", I fully expect everyone to start banging on about that Tarellian Dog-soldier instead. :p

scarletsquig wrote:Still not looking very ratlike.

It's got a rat tail sticking out from under its robes.

Giant Rats IN SPACE, your first RPG encounter

AlexHolker wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:Still not looking very ratlike.

It's got a rat tail sticking out from under its robes.

And Daemonettes have crab claws, does that mean they're crabs?

If the argument amounts to "Mantic derived their entire concept for the 8th race from an s-shaped squiggle in the arse-end of the 3rd edition 40k rulebook", then I'm quite happy to let people post that and make themselves look silly, just like back in the days when everyone was making ever-so-serious multi-paragraph posts about green orcs and goblins having been stolen from GW.

Just because GW don't make Space Skaven doesn't make it an original idea. They're brought up every time a possible new 40k faction is being discussed, there have been plenty of 40k Skaven conversions, etc.

Good on Mantic if they make something people want (and if they make it look good for a change) but let's not pretend that space rats are a novel idea.

The thing in the picture has canines, not incisors though. Space Werewolves would be pretty cool.

Jes Goodwin did a pile of sketches and designs on Space Skaven back in the day, they can be found in his art book le Gothic and le Eldritch.

Just watched thE video from Mantic. It's pretty lame and not worth the 3 minutes I wasted with it.

Here's a guess, 8th race = 8 pointed star of chaos or have they done marauders already? It's hard to remember what they have and havent cribbed at this point.

No, no, Marauders are the space orks. Their space orx will be the space chaos barbarians.

BrookM wrote:Jes Goodwin did a pile of sketches and designs on Space Skaven back in the day, they can be found in his art book le Gothic and le Eldritch.

OK thanks that must be what I was thinking of. The general conception, going back for quite some years, was that Hrud equalled space skaven. However, I couldn't tell you where else that originated, other than someone started talking about it and it was assumed that that's what they were? It might just have been my gaming group though.

Although TBH it doesn't matter a toss to me where the concept comes from, as long as the sculpts are OK and the game fun to play.

On a side note, I think there are plenty of other companies out there producing things for a completely separate game-type and universe if that's what you want. Mantic have decided that there is a market for a cheaper option that can also be used in GW games as well as their own, and are going for that. This might not be popular with GW upper-echelons (and, from what I have heard they are well aware of what Mantic is doing, and the condescension has already started), but I hope they can continue - GW core games are still the most popular, and I like having the option of being able to build a new army without needing to put buying a new car on hold to account for it.

notprop wrote:Here's a guess, 8th race = 8 pointed star of chaos or have they done marauders already? It's hard to remember what they have and havent cribbed at this point.

Frankly, I wish Mantic would do "not-Chaos Marauders," because the GW models are terrible.

I've already sourced alternative Chaos Warriors, alternate Marauders is the next step. I might have to settle for the (super expensive) Bestigor option.

Interesting, from a post on Warseer the original blurb for Project Pandora had them down as 'Veermyn', but this has now been changed to 'Scavengers' (which I believe was a community chosen name, in the same was as Twilight Kin was chosen)

So, almost without question going to be some spin on 'anthropomorphised rats in space'. We will find out for sure on Thursday, looking forward to seeing them in any case

Bit of background blurb that was just posted by Jake Thornton on the Mantic blog

The Zloveshy Vassily has a bad reputation and is widely held to be an unlucky ship. Few of the itinerant deckhands that hang around the bars in the Corporation ports would sign on with her unless they had nowhere else to go, and the crew has a deservedly suspect reputation of its own. Those that serve on her call her the Grim Cargo with a perverse sense of pride. Few serve on her long.

Of the many who have died in her aged and variously stained corridors, not all have been found. Several have simply disappeared into the bowels of the myriad ducts and accessways between the rooms, for she is an elderly design, long obsolete. When she was built it was fashionable to hide the engineering behind gaudy panelling and pretend that the vessel was a shopping mall or grand hotel rather than a tin can floating in the hard vacuum of deep space. The loneliness of that thought, went the theory, would send people mad…
For those that understand the design, the Grim Cargo is a functional warren of tunnels and narrow corridors, dimly lit and rarely travelled. Most of the engineering access ports are hidden behind clip-on panelling, and many of the ship’s maintenance stations are tucked away neatly out of sight. Of course, this is fine when you don’t need to fix anything, but when there is a failure an inexperienced crew can spend hours searching for the correct accessway. And they don’t always find their way back.

These dangers have made the crew very reluctant to leave the central command areas and most of the more remote zones of the Grim Cargo have been all but abandoned to broken venting, flickering lights and unexplained creaks and groans. It is an unnerving vessel to explore, and a far cry from the sleek military ships of the Corporation fleet that Sergeant Cruise and his men are familiar with.
What makes matters worse for the Troopers is that their mission obliges them to stay in exactly those areas that the crew avoid most, guarding the cargo they have been tasked to protect in whichever corner of the storage sections it has been secured. They have no idea what they are guarding, though there is much speculation.
But the 8th Race know…

Definitely interested to see what the game tiles look like now..

scarletsquig wrote:If the argument amounts to "Mantic derived their entire concept for the 8th race from an s-shaped squiggle in the arse-end of the 3rd edition 40k rulebook", then I'm quite happy to let people post that and make themselves look silly, just like back in the days when everyone was making ever-so-serious multi-paragraph posts about green orcs and goblins having been stolen from GW.

Whoops, I think the point I was trying to make came out a bit wrong, sorry bad wording on my part I guess.

Lets try this again,

Now lets face the obvious point, despite the fact that GW fans have been banging on about space Skaven/Hurd being made for years now, it's never going to happen. Now wherever or not mantic has decided to produce their own space rat-men as a direct repose to the GW fans or its simply them covering another well known fantasy race as a way of separating their product line and covering races that other companies like GW wont/haven't is anyone's guess and at the end of the day not really a big deal, it cool just to have space Skaven finally.

The part that worries me about this release is that space rat-men could potentially be a very easy race to mess up from a design perspective. The whole degraded and primitive look that is commonly associated with rat-men and of course is what we see in GW's Skaven range could end-up looking too "fantasy" in nature if Mantic does it wrong. After all its going to be very disappointing if they just look like fantasy rat-men holding ray-guns now isn't it?

For a good example of a degraded future race/army, look up the reavers from firefly, they look degraded and almost tribal in design, yet don't look out of place in the futuristic universe of firefly. Now hopefully this is what Mantic will achieve and these space-rats will end up being well grounded into the sci-fi/future design style and won't simply end up looking like somebody's not-Hurd/space Skaven conversion project.


Also Tarellian Dog-soldier's, you really think they look like werewolf's? Personally I think they look more like some sort anthropomorphic alligator/lizard race, have you ever seen the bangaa from the final fantasy series their basiclly lizard men:







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Just ran across this on Mantics site, thought I'd throw it up for y'all:

Twilight Kin Assassain (Final Miniature, Metal single blister)


The face seems really off, also seems a little "sparse" detail wise, just my 2 pennys worth.

Also, on Mantics blog they have some pics of the Project Pandora floor tiles.

Right Here: http://www.manticblog.com/

Not looking to bad.

One thing about the assassin: dont worth it... GW sell a box of 12, and they look better...

And Pandora is just looking great... Im on it...

A few more Corporation pics from Remy's blog:

























So, information for interested Imperial Guard players:

- melta, plasma, flamer for the special weapons.
- lascannon, autocannon for the heavy weapons.

Regular lasguns, hellguns, power fist, laspistol. Power sword/ fist options on the commander.

I imagine the Elysian special/ heavy weapons conversion kit that Forge world sells would be a perfect fit if you want to fill in any gaps or get a more exact-looking match for the GW weapons.

MANTIC is starting to excite me...while I wasn't thrilled with some of their early figures, their casts seem to be improving (rather dramatically) in a relatively short amount of time.

Now if only their game systems would gain some traction I'd have an excuse to buy something (I don't have much interest in using figures as warhammer proxies because I've fallen a bit out of love with the systems over the last few years).

Corporation look pretty cool with helmets on.

So Mantic is doing Dwarf Kings Hold IIIIIN SPAAAAAAAACE as a new release? Well if the tiles are good...

I really have nothing to do with IG, and i only play 40k, but those corporation made me wish i liked IG gaming style...

Maybe in future i try some foot sloging IG...

Thanks for that post, that has dispelled last of my doubts about these. Totalwargamer.co.uk has the Corporation army set (40 troops + 3 heavy weapon teams) for £38, which is a no-brainer I think.

Lovely looking sculpts, I had no idea they were so detailed. Going to use these as the Elysian army from IA: 8, great stuff

Which models are these? the arms are so long

Scouts or veterans I think they were called. I'm going to have to get a box of those, they look the bees knees.

Rolt wrote:
Also, on Mantics blog they have some pics of the Project Pandora floor tiles.

Right Here: http://www.manticblog.com/

Not looking to bad.

A little help for the work blocked anyone?

LunaHound wrote:Which models are these? the arms are so long

The rangers

Their arms are only long in comparison to the stumpy proportions of the GW figures.

The Rangers look awesome and I am sold. I really wish I could like the Marine guns, I really do, but I don't really like them at all. Unfortunate. Will have to find an alternative to use.

Overall though, they look fantastic!

Overall proportions on those guys are god for true scale. Some folks need to remember GW uses heroic (aka unrealistic) scale.

Im interested to see more on this new game.

Loving the new sculpts. I'm in a pickle... I promised myself I wouldn't start any new armies, but I decided to start painting an old baneblade I never got around to, and decided to paint it in desert colors instead of matching my new army, just for fun, and now I'm telling myself I won't but I know I'm gonna be starting a whole new IG regiment all because of this dumb tank. I'm thinking a small (yeah, that'll happen) army of vets and stormtroopers.

So... now I just dunno what to do... go with Corporation for the figs? Or hold out for the Defiance german troops? Or clean out my 401k and get both?

A little help for the work blocked anyone?

Here you go:

Genral Corridor/Room?:


Winding Corridors:


Engineering level:


Also so more info from the blog:

These pieces are just three of a much larger array of tiles available to build your starship. There’s also T-junctions, corner pieces, an airlock and a large storage area to name a few – and that’s before we even get to the action counters! We’ll show these off and what goes into the design process later this week.

Well, that’s it for today – check back tomorrow for more on the Corporation in Project Pandora!

Good to hear it's not just going to be single tile corridors and small rooms like space hulk.

I do like the Mantic sculpts. I just don't dig the helmets (yet).
They look to square ala kin to a rugby helmet and the visor is way too big.
When painted the visor looks out of place, or is it just the green they were painted that threw me?

It's a futuristic item, and I get it. Who knows what will pass for usable armor.

However, why no leg protection. they are going to have a medic ward full of one legged Corp. soldiers if they cant get any protection..

Cheers Rolt.

Re the rangers/corp troops it's the legs that are looking odd to me. Abit lacking in the thigh perhaps?

We'll see on the flesh I suppose.

The legs look a bit silly because they've rolled the pant leg up and bloused it over their boots.

notprop wrote:Re the rangers/corp troops it's the legs that are looking odd to me. Abit lacking in the thigh perhaps?

I agree. Even for truescale, the ratio of the width of their thighs to their height looks off by 15-20%. The top-heavy design of the armour doesn't help.

There was a note on the other forum that that was incorrect painting on behalf of the studio that did it. They aren't meant to be roll-ups, but rather part of the boot (like jackboots). If you look at this one, you can see that quite clearly.



The sculptor is a chap called Remy Trimblay, who has done a lot of freelance stuff for Studio McVey. It was mentioned by the Mantic guy who posts on Warseer that he has done the sculpting for the 8th race as well (hopefully revealed tomorrow!)

As far as I'm concerned I'm frankly stunned by how good these look. I would say they are pretty much comparable to the FW Elysians in terms of sculpt detail, and although some might consider it almost sacrilegious to say, they dump on the now rather aged looking Cadian sculpts by a country mile. And that's regardless of the price discrepancies when compared to the above.

So it's indeed Space Rats.

Kroothawk wrote:So it's indeed Space Werewolves.

Fixed that for you.

Probably are space rats, but the picture looks more like a wolf head than rat head. Or the faction could be Animal Farm in space.

That's a pretty nice bit of art actually, I love the energy in it.

I think the 'rats' thing has been pretty much confirmed for a couple of days now - 'Vermeen' being an obvious play on words of 'vermin'.

Pacific wrote:

As far as I'm concerned I'm frankly stunned by how good these look. I would say they are pretty much comparable to the FW Elysians in terms of sculpt detail, and although some might consider it almost sacrilegious to say, they dump on the now rather aged looking Cadian sculpts by a country mile. And that's regardless of the price discrepancies when compared to the above.

Same here - these figs are awesome!

I do NOT want to start a Guard army, so I am hoping that the 'cultist' option in the upcoming Chaos Marines/Legions will let me proxy these guys in!

Hey, thats a pretty nice piece of artwork, hopefully the final miniatures will look close to that. If they do I'll buy project pandora and may even start a space rat army (or vermeen I should say).

I want space werewolfs next.

Kanluwen wrote:The legs look a bit silly because they've rolled the pant leg up and bloused it over their boots.

Im going to make a bet

It only look silly to you because you think you are seeing rolled up pant leg up over the boots.

While what Im seeing is the boot itself, which is just similar color to the pants.

scarletsquig wrote:

Out of all the limitless alien creatures out there, they cant pick something thats not related to earth mythos to fight against in space?

A space Rat?

Homenutt wrote:A space Rat?

What else would you expect to find on a derelict vessel? It's either that or cockroaches and GW already has that covered.

Those are not space rats, those are space antropomorphic rat/wolf hybrids... And man, i hope they look so great in their minis...

All along I was wishing they wouldn't just take a fantasy race and send it to space.
I guess that was asking too much.

I shall deffo get a copy of Pandora - looking v good so far

The art is good. We'll see about the models. I could use some armoured Space Rats. Or werewolves, whatever.

poipo32 wrote:All along I was wishing they wouldn't just take a fantasy race and send it to space.
I guess that was asking too much.

Even among fantasy races, they didn't have to pick an [animal]man race that's already supported by GW, complete with machine guns and flamethrowers.

You know what fantasy race I would have used? Elementals. Silicon-based life is a staple of science fiction, so a technologically-minded race of earth elementals or earth-fire paraelementals would fit right in.

Pfft! Rats indeed, I know a vole when I see one!

Or maybe its a mole?......or a badger with a hat on?

Space pest control... or "when everyday goes sci-fi"

Theres some up close images of painted corp special weapons

"The alternative miniatures company"? Not something I would want to put on the front of a kit, maybe that is just me!?

Hmm, Mantic may steal all my remaining Christmas money after all. I am sure I can find a use for human troopers and rats in spaace!

Commander Cain wrote:"The alternative miniatures company"? Not something I would want to put on the front of a kit, maybe that is just me!?
!

It's like "Hey, I'm not the best, but I'm cheaper!"

They should fire their "alternative" marketing expert...

^ Where did I say the image was on the front of a kit?

It was on a flyer given away for free (along with a sprue of mantic minis) to anyone who attended the Newark show last weekend.

I didn't go, but naturally.. if you give it out to the public, it will end up on the internet.

scarletsquig wrote:^ Where did I say the image was on the front of a kit?

It was on a flyer given away for free (along with a sprue of mantic minis) to anyone who attended the Newark show last weekend.

I didn't go, but naturally.. if you give it out to the public, it will end up on the internet.

Even so... Seems to be an odd way to market your merchandise.

On the subject of the special weapons, I like the middle one but the other two are a bit square for me, they go along the same lines as the regular trooper lasguns which I also do not like very much. They look good in the artwork I just think they didn't come out the way they were intended. Of course, a simple weapon swap and they are perfect!

Commander Cain wrote:

Even so... Seems to be an odd way to market your merchandise.

Why? Mantic aren't stupid - they know full well that a certain proportion of their sales are going to be people looking for cheaper alternatives to GW models. There is nothing wrong with them putting the company forward as a GW alternative - it's their raison d'être. Nowhere does it say that alternative equals 'cheaper' or 'worse' (even though both might be true depending on your point of view).

And "That Other Miniatures Company" doesn't sound as good

I like the new painted stuff. Space Rats are just meh for me though, might be cool but not what I'm after. I guess I just want some alternative guardsmen. I'll be grabbing some corps guys and also some Defiance figs too but I'm prolly gonna wait for their german figs.

But with all of mantic's stuff.. why do they all come with the mini round base under the feets? Wouldn't it be easier to make em without? You still need to add them to another bigger base too right?

It isn't Mantic's main tagline. 'Building Big Armies' is their mainstay.

But that slogan makes very little sense attached to a skirmish game like Pandora.

Necros wrote:But with all of mantic's stuff.. why do they all come with the mini round base under the feets? Wouldn't it be easier to make em without? You still need to add them to another bigger base too right?

For the same reasons that slottabases exist - ease of assembly for models with a small attachment point to the base (like the elves and undead), or for metal models/ restic models that don't stick as easily.

Mantic design is actually better than slottabases for square-based models since it allows you to rotate the model on it's base, whereas with slottabases you can't.

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Okay, space skaven it is.

Guess it's the muzzle, but the one on the left looks more like a piggy

They look, oh, well... amazing...

Serious, those guys are amazing, i loved those concepts, im so happy i never started orkz... Rats as scavenger? Make a lot more sense!!!

And look at those guns!!! The feel like old school...

Im sold, surely i need to see sprues and such... but if they come this way in the end, if the entire range looks like that, for the "regular mantic price", i can see myself happy with a ton of them... Im sold

Space critters aren't doing it for me I'm afraid.

Will this line be where Mantic find want the internetz say they want, may not be what they actually want?

notprop wrote:Space critters aren't doing it for me I'm afraid.

Will this line be where Mantic find want the internetz say they want, may not be what they actually want?

I've never seen the internet wanting space skaven until the rumours started flying about this, at which point several people stated that they have been wanting space skaven for a long time.

No, I don't get it either. I'm just as disinterested in these as I am in the Marauders.

I like the Forgefathers because the sculpting style really breaks away from the goofy dwarfs in space look that the old GW squats had (once you throw all of the plastic fantasy heads and the goggles they come with in the trash), and looks downright brilliant, with the "techy" element brought to the front and mixed with Norse myth. Those Veer-Myn, you could add straight to a fantasy Clan Skyre army.

Whereas Marauders and Veer-Myn are much more of a direct parallel to some of the more goofy-looking GW fantasy sculpts. I think making too much of an effort to please the "heroic scale and goofy" crowd that makes up the majority of GW fans is the source of a lot of Mantic's problems.

Then you haven't been looking very hard. For years people have clamored for Hrud. Every time a new edition comes up, people start talking about "how cool" a Hrud army would be.

Well, there's "wouldn't it be cool" and "I'm excited about a concept enought to buy non-GW sculpts to make it happen."

As a guy that spent over a month trying to sell a Mantic non-Chaos Dwarf army... interest isn't overwhelming.

That said... I want to do something with space skaven!

If I were royalty, I would decree that they must be referred to as Spaven from this day forward.

(space + skaven = spaven!)

kenshin620 wrote:And Daemonettes have crab claws, does that mean they're crabs?

Yes. The trick is getting the right amount of Old Bay.

Cmon, go take a look at the old Kobold from D&D, they are just rat mans... Skaven is just the pick of GW on those rat man (a very nice one). I dont have seen anything about "plague priests" or "mana stones" on that minis, nothing that point skaven... Only the good old rat-man in space...

Well, it will start again... but anyway, the minis looks cool, the prices will probably be low, and so i will do something with the space rat-man...

I must admit those vermeen (spelling?) are nice looking sculpts and have great clean detail. But so far it looks like my fears have been comfirmed, they really do just look like fantasy rat-men holding ray-guns.
Who knows maybe after their painted up, the sci-fi elements of their design will show through better.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Cmon, go take a look at the old Kobold from D&D, they are just rat mans... Skaven is just the pick of GW on those rat man (a very nice one). I dont have seen anything about "plague priests" or "mana stones" on that minis, nothing that point skaven... Only the good old rat-man in space...

Well, it will start again... but anyway, the minis looks cool, the prices will probably be low, and so i will do something with the space rat-man...

A quick research about those Kobolds and they seem crocodiles to me. Older ones do have ears, but I don't see them as clearly ratmen. Maybe I should have search deeper.

And this space rats are very skaven. Their technology looks skaven. The sculp on the left even wears the same mask as poisoned wind mortar crew. They are cool, yes, but they are spavens.

garrapignado wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Cmon, go take a look at the old Kobold from D&D, they are just rat mans... Skaven is just the pick of GW on those rat man (a very nice one). I dont have seen anything about "plague priests" or "mana stones" on that minis, nothing that point skaven... Only the good old rat-man in space...

Well, it will start again... but anyway, the minis looks cool, the prices will probably be low, and so i will do something with the space rat-man...

A quick research about those Kobolds and they seem crocodiles to me. Older ones do have ears, but I don't see them as clearly ratmen. Maybe I should have search deeper.

And this space rats are very skaven. Their technology looks skaven. The sculp on the left even wears the same mask as poisoned wind mortar crew. They are cool, yes, but they are spavens.

About Kobolds: Take a look at their ecology, they live underground, are pests of hard control, cause big damage to structures and steal food... they have some lizard things, but have hairy bodys, and a general apearance of a small mammal (im not talking about those new ones that turned all lizard like).

(first one is the orginal one from the AD&D monster manual, the other is a revised versions of that)

About the minis: well, those are scavangers rat man in space, they will probably bear a lot of resemblance with scavangers rat mans in fantasy.

I dont see how their technology resemble skaven technology... Skaven technology have lots of crystals and cables and normally some coils. Those space rats guns looks like martian guns in cult movies of 80's, their clothes have some resemblances with the ragged robes of skavens, but c'mon, they are scavengers too... what they are supposed to be wearing?

They are a obvious strike on GW lack of spavens, but they are not spavens per se...

Well the sculpts are pretty good, at least there is that.

Kroothawk wrote:So it's indeed Space Rats.

silent25 wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:So it's indeed Space Werewolves.

Fixed that for you.

Thanks for fixing


Seems Mantic still works through every faction existing in the 40k background but currently without models.
Guess, after not-Space Hulk we see a Fantasy Football game.

Kroothawk wrote:Seems Mantic still works through every faction existing in the 40k background but currently without models.
Guess, after not-Space Hulk we see a Fantasy Football game.

I'd put my money on a new army for Warpath. The Adeptus Mechanicus Expertus Technicus.

Kroothawk wrote:
Guess, after not-Space Hulk we see a Fantasy Football game.

IIRC, A Fantasy Sports game was talked about already... much like how Warpath and Not-Spulk was talked about 2 years ago..

Well the fella on the left screams "Pigs in spaaace!" at me, nice sculpting though, with all this 3D rendering going on, it is good to see that good old GS still can't be beat!

Sculpting looks good, the anatomy less so. They are too hunched over and th arms, in particular on the left mini, look like they're growing out of a hump on the back instead of proper shoulders.

They are mutant space rats from the future. What sort of anatomy should they have?

Here is a post from the sculptor regarding these minis, made on Beasts of War, that makes quite interesting reading

hank you for your nice comment, and even for those who don’t like it…

@ipaint: The picture shows the parts that you’ll got in the boxes, this whole set is used to make marines, veterans, rangers and heavy weapons. All the head and pair of arms are fully compatible with all bodies. It’s quite hard in this conditions to keep exact proportions and good dynamic poses. Well I did my best.

About the Veer-myn. You should wait for another minis to judge. You have only two guys, one pic for each and those as all the pictures of miniatures fail to show the minis with a good representation of 3D.
(I hope it makes sense). The minis are from dwarf size to 28 mm and the design vary from one to another. I don’t draw the concept art but I think it conveys the old school sci-fi feeling. The armor are so steampunk and I made some cool faces for other guys. I think that filthy rats in Iron Man suit could really suck. So I quite like those armors.
The green is actually in FIMO but the green color is very bad for lisibility, my fault…
Well a rat is a rat it’s difficult to depict an actual rat without being too boring, we need to exagerate things as well as proportions : heroic scale. But not that much, the pictures don’t allow you to compare to the other minis in the range (corpo, forge father etc..).
Plus the heads and arm must be compatibles on all the minis. I tried to have something with the minimum of part to assemble, a strong silhouette and give to all the detail a volume to ease the painting. As I did on the corporation maybe it’s the style that some of you call “GW”. GW’s skaven have had some many style for edition to edition, I really think that you cannot bring something totally new to a rat miniatures, well not on a 20 mm mini. In some ways you can compare to the skaven but my point is this range ( the whole things) has is own style.
I’m done you could strat to launch tomatoes , and well it’s MY point not MAntic point or anything, I’m talking my feeling about those minis.
Sorry if my message is strange or insulting or stupid, it’s difficult for me to express myself in english.

Have a good day,

Rémy

I really think that you cannot bring something totally new to a rat miniatures, well not on a 20 mm mini.

Easy: don't make rats.

Rats in space(TM) obviously don't need to cover their feet.

I was hoping for Pigs in Space, not rats :(

bubber wrote:I was hoping for Pigs in Space, not rats :(

That would have been more original.

So Mantic's big secret concept that was going to be the first show of their independent design studio and ability to stand on their own as a viable company selling new IP is just another GW knockoff? Why am I not surprised?

Mantic honestly has no credibility at this stage.

Yes, but I'm sure they would look other crap ++EDIT++ Sorry, in reply to Space pigs comment.

The complete cover art of Project Pandora from the Mantic blog



Also, some more pics on Remy's blog, showing detail of the Corporation Commander. Not bad for a fiver, I'm sure you'll agree

Fetterkey wrote:So Mantic's big secret concept that was going to be the first show of their independent design studio and ability to stand on their own as a viable company selling new IP is just another GW knockoff? Why am I not surprised?

Did I miss them stating that they were going to be showing off their own IP? It's possible, but I don't think they've ever acted like they were reinventing the wheel.

Mantic honestly has no credibility at this stage.

Credibility with regards to what, exactly? They claim to make cheap models and they do.

@Polonius: Never mind Fetterkey, he's a GW fanboy to the max, so anything that comes near the greatness that is GW, he knocks...

Honestly, the Corp soldiers look great, though if any old school peeps remember the Rogue Trader IG, they look an awful lot like them, which I think is a good thing.

I also like the way these Rat-men are shaping up. This Remi guy can sure sculpt! I look forward to seeing more as these are some of the better sculpts I have seen come out of Mantic...

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Cmon, go take a look at the old Kobold from D&D, they are just rat mans... Skaven is just the pick of GW on those rat man (a very nice one). I dont have seen anything about "plague priests" or "mana stones" on that minis, nothing that point skaven... Only the good old rat-man in space...

Looking at the cover for the box posted earlier in this thread I would have guessed that green substances played some importance in this faction, since both Veer-Myn are covered in green gas (which led my Skaven playing mind to think that these Spaven love future-warpstone as much as Skaven love actual-warpstone).

Cheers

Chaplain Pallantide wrote:@Polonius: Never mind Fetterkey, he's a GW fanboy to the max, so anything that comes near the greatness that is GW, he knocks...

That's not the case. I like a lot of things GW does, but there are things about other manufacturers that I like too. I'm a big fan of Darkson Designs' AE-WWII line, for instance. Dystopian Wars isn't my cup of tea, but I think they've pulled off what they do quite well. I would like to try out Infinity, but nobody really plays it in my area. The key thing that all those other systems have that Mantic's systems don't is that they are credible as standalone systems. Mantic quite frankly isn't. Their "Corporation" troopers are probably their strongest independent line, but even still the GW influence is obvious.

When I see a Mantic model I think "ah, some not-Skaven or not-Squats or not-Orks." I don't even know the real names of the Mantic lines-- I think the not-squats are "Forgefathers" but I'm blanking on the others. To me, that's a major problem. I really enjoy the narrative elements of the hobby, and when I don't even think of the models as representing what they're supposed to, there's no way I'm going to get into the game. In order for Mantic to get my money as an actual competitor to 40k, they would have to do substantially better than GW on at least one of the following:

1) Models
2) Rules
3) Fluff

Their models are worse, albeit cheap, their rules are worse, and their fluff is more or less nonexistent.

I don't necessarily blame them-- it's really hard to compete with a big, established "elephant in the room" like GW, which is why most of the companies that offer alternative games choose markedly different settings, like the pulp/Hellboy feel of AE-WWII, the "steampunk Epic" of Dystopian Wars, or the cyberpunk skirmish of Infinity. I'm just saying that Mantic has done nothing to demonstrate that they're anything other than a GW knockoff company.

When you get right down to it, if GW went out of business, Mantic would too.

Fetterkey wrote:just saying that Mantic has done nothing to demonstrate that they're anything other than a GW knockoff company.

When you get right down to it, if GW went out of business, Mantic would too.

While I'm sure others would argue the semantics of "knock off," I think for the most part not only does nobody disagree with that, even the company itself seems to brand itself as that.

At some point, you're just criticizing a company for not being what they have no goal of being.

I'm sure you can back into the standard, "I'm just saying I don't like them" argument, or the "they make nothing that I'd want to buy" argument, but that's true for most gamers about most companies. Hell, how long did it take Citadel miniatures to stop being yet another rehash of Tolkien? Five years? Ten?

I also think you're focusing on the Warpath stuff in your criticism: I think the undead stands on it's own very well as plastic mass undead. The elves are the most "distinctive" looking race they have, and by far the most heavily criticized. The dwarves and orcs are, if anything, more bland than GW.

Personally, I had the impression that Warpath was supposed to be a valid alternative/competing product to 40k, and I'm disappointed to see that Mantic seems to instead be using it as more of an excuse. I might just be gullible, though-- it sounds like you didn't fall for that claim to the same extent that I did, and if all I expected from Mantic was a cheap GW knockoff company, I'd say they'd be more or less doing a fine job.

That stuffs coming along.

They still have a long way to back up the big talk that they had swinging out of the gate, Mantic's E peens are still swinging a bit lower then was first boasted.

That rat guy thing is a good start, but they still have that little issue of the bad dwarf in space thing thats still giving them a bad taste to be serious.

Not bad, but keep going forward, these new ones are a great step in the right direction.

Fetterkey wrote: I might just be gullible, though-- it sounds like you didn't fall for that claim to the same extent that I did, and if all I expected from Mantic was a cheap GW knockoff company, I'd say they'd be more or less doing a fine job.

In the passive aggresive olympics, this would take at least silver in the "backhanded compliments" event.

Who else is doing Space Rats these days?

On a more on-topic note, outside of the corporation (which are ready build for IG)... what exactly is the target market for Warpath?

People like the idea of hrud and squats, but they dont' have rules, and counts only goes so far. The fact that the squats and orks were just slapdash conversions from the fantasy models limits their utility even further. So, their big sci-fi release included an army that can't be used in 40k, and one that has the cheapest GW models available (AoBR orks).




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Alpharius wrote:Who else is doing Space Rats these days?

Well, this is another great point.

I think that people see what they want to see, particualrly with things like "influence." It's easy to point out ways a mantic model is similar, or distinct, from a GW one.

It's entirely subjective if that makes it a "knock off" or the natural result of shared influences.

I mean, did the Stone Temple Pilots rip off Pearl Jam, or did they both listen to a lot of the same stuff before they wrote their own music?

The other problem I have is that, for a cheap knockoff company, Mantic isn't actually all that cheap. I could get 20 GW Cadian Guardsmen for 58 USD (this is also considered one of GW's worst deals), or I could get 20 Mantic Corporation troopers for 45 USD? That sounds more or less okay until you realize that the GW stuff can trivially be found at a 20% discount, making the Mantic guys only slightly less expensive. If you're willing to use the simple push-fit Cadians, you can get 20 Cadians for 33 dollars (cheaper than Mantic without a discount), or go with three of those sets plus a Command box for special weapon options for 49.75-- only slightly more expensive, and easily cheaper with discount!

Similarly, Mantic Corporation heavy weapon teams compare somewhat unfavorably to GW Imperial Guard ones-- with Mantic, you pay 27.49 USD; with GW 38.75 USD (31 with discount), and the GW kits come with 5 different weapon options (3 of which can be assembled from each heavy weapon sprue if you have extra Guardsmen) to the Mantic kits' 2 weapons.

I'm not a great fan of the GW Cadians, but it seems hard to justify using the Mantic Corporation guys as cheap replacements for them.

Alpharius wrote:Who else is doing Space Rats these days?

Games Workshop. These are just Clan Skyre skaven with bad posture.

Fetterkey wrote:The other problem I have is that, for a cheap knockoff company, Mantic isn't actually all that cheap. I could get 20 GW Cadian Guardsmen for 58 USD (this is also considered one of GW's worst deals), or I could get 20 Mantic Corporation troopers for 45 USD? That sounds more or less okay until you realize that the GW stuff can trivially be found at a 20% discount, making the Mantic guys only slightly less expensive. If you're willing to use the simple push-fit Cadians, you can get 20 Cadians for 33 dollars (cheaper than Mantic without a discount), or go with three of those sets plus a Command box for special weapon options for 49.75-- only slightly more expensive, and easily cheaper with discount!

Similarly, Mantic Corporation heavy weapon teams compare somewhat unfavorably to GW Imperial Guard ones-- with Mantic, you pay 27.49 USD; with GW 38.75 USD (31 with discount), and the GW kits come with 5 different weapon options (3 of which can be assembled from each heavy weapon sprue if you have extra Guardsmen) to the Mantic kits' 2 weapons.

I'm not a great fan of the GW Cadians, but it seems hard to justify using the Mantic Corporation guys as cheap replacements for them.

http://www.thewarstore.com/product71575.html

20 Mantic Corp Troopers for $36 (20% off at Warstore) versus $46 for 20 Cadians (also 20% off). That's a $10 difference for every 20 troops you field when you compare apples to apples.

I, for one, prefer the mantic troopers to the plastic cadians, at least the rank and file cadians. Factor in that the boxes come with meltas, and they're a pretty decent way to build a good looking higher tech IG force.

So, interestingly enough, the least cheap force also happens to be the least clearly a "knock off."

privateer4hire wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:The other problem I have is that, for a cheap knockoff company, Mantic isn't actually all that cheap. I could get 20 GW Cadian Guardsmen for 58 USD (this is also considered one of GW's worst deals), or I could get 20 Mantic Corporation troopers for 45 USD? That sounds more or less okay until you realize that the GW stuff can trivially be found at a 20% discount, making the Mantic guys only slightly less expensive. If you're willing to use the simple push-fit Cadians, you can get 20 Cadians for 33 dollars (cheaper than Mantic without a discount), or go with three of those sets plus a Command box for special weapon options for 49.75-- only slightly more expensive, and easily cheaper with discount!

Similarly, Mantic Corporation heavy weapon teams compare somewhat unfavorably to GW Imperial Guard ones-- with Mantic, you pay 27.49 USD; with GW 38.75 USD (31 with discount), and the GW kits come with 5 different weapon options (3 of which can be assembled from each heavy weapon sprue if you have extra Guardsmen) to the Mantic kits' 2 weapons.

I'm not a great fan of the GW Cadians, but it seems hard to justify using the Mantic Corporation guys as cheap replacements for them.

http://www.thewarstore.com/product71575.html

20 Mantic Corp Troopers for $36 (20% off at Warstore) versus $46 for 20 Cadians (also 20% off). That's a $10 difference for every 20 troops you field when you compare apples to apples.

Good find. With the discount, the Mantic guys are indeed cheaper, though the push-fit Cadians are still going to beat them out. That said, I think there are people who would say that Mantic guys look better than push-fit Cadians (though I'm not one of them), so perhaps there's a market there after all.

Or you can get 24 Marines from Defiance for $24 (if they're ever released).

http://www.thewarstore.com/product70701.html

Fetterkey wrote:

Good find. With the discount, the Mantic guys are indeed cheaper, though the push-fit Cadians are still going to beat them out. That said, I think there are people who would say that Mantic guys look better than push-fit Cadians (though I'm not one of them), so perhaps there's a market there after all.

Looking below, I would say vast majority of people would say the Corporation mini is a better sculpt, both in terms of detail and accurate proportion. I think it speaks volumes that you can buy it cheaper than the GW ones, considering the sprue for the latter must be a decade old now and I think is in desperate need of an update.





It would be nice if this forum had a dedicated Mantic sub-forum, in the same way as a certain other forum (which incidentally is where I have started to go to discuss Mantic stuff). The problem is this thread is meant for News & Rumour, I posted what I thought was a quite interesting quote from the 8th race sculptors, and it's been completely blown over by people commenting 'I like Mantic because.. ' 'I dislike because... ' after Fetterkey posted here (not to criticize you in particular Fetterkey, it happens all the time in this thread, I think because of a lack of any kind of Mantic focus elsewhere on the forum).

And yes, I realise I have just contributed to this problem by posting pictures comparing GW and Mantic humans

Anyway, might be worthwhile mentioning on the suggestions page, to have a dedicated sub-forum for Mantic.

Those do indeed look way better... but I don't think those the actual Corporation models that are being sold, but rather production greens at a substantially larger scale!

If you compare those to the actual painted shots of Corporation troopers on the Mantic website, it's clear that they aren't what you actually get-- the greens you posted look to be significantly more detailed and better-proportioned than the actual models.

I really think that you cannot bring something totally new to a rat miniatures, well not on a 20 mm mini.

Fetterkey wrote:Those do indeed look way better... but I don't think those the actual Corporation models that are being sold, but rather production greens at a substantially larger scale!

You must be THIS tall to ride the roller coaster...

Right-- so those are ~35mm, whereas Mantic's normal miniatures are purportedly "true 28mm."

Fetterkey wrote:Right-- so those are ~35mm, whereas Mantic's normal miniatures are purportedly "true 28mm."

You are including the base.

lord marcus wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:Right-- so those are ~35mm, whereas Mantic's normal miniatures are purportedly "true 28mm."

You are including the base.

The ruler is on the base...

lord marcus wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:Right-- so those are ~35mm, whereas Mantic's normal miniatures are purportedly "true 28mm."

You are including the base.

Not only is the ruler on the base (and hence the base is *not* included), the base would only add a few mm at most.

The height in mm. is from the feet to the EYES of the models. So these are 30 mm.

Hoarmurel wrote:The height in mm. is from the feet to the EYES of the models. So these are 30 mm.

But some people measure from the feet to the top of the head

Others measure from the feet to the top of the hat

Arent standards of measurements awesome

Alpharius wrote:Who else is doing Space Rats these days?

Ah! That was so cuttingly logical I think I'm bleeding...

As far as i know, the way of measurement i said before is the used by the companies and sculptors... But i can be wrong of course.

Hoarmurel wrote:As far as i know, the way of measurement i said before is the used by the companies and sculptors... But i can be wrong of course.

It depends on the company and the sculptor.

Cyporiean wrote:

Hoarmurel wrote:As far as i know, the way of measurement i said before is the used by the companies and sculptors... But i can be wrong of course.

It depends on the company and the sculptor.

Yeah, it's fairly arbitrary if they mean to eyes or top of head, then add "heroic" scale and it means "Somewhere below 40mm... I think... probably. ::nods:: Definitely probably." That's why ranges with freelance sculptors get occasional giants, midgets, etc.

But heroic proportions are a good way to avoid having to properly sculpt a human.

The height in mm. is from the feet to the EYES of the models. So these are 30 mm.

Yes, I believe technically this is the description of scale.

Cyporiean wrote:

lord marcus wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:Right-- so those are ~35mm, whereas Mantic's normal miniatures are purportedly "true 28mm."

You are including the base.

The ruler is on the base...

Right, but GW miniatures haven't been 28mm since the days of Rogue Trader. Most stuff these days is more like 30-32mm.

TBH, with 'heroic scale' I can see both the upside and the downside to it. On the one hand, it does help draw the eye to the more important areas of the model, the face and (in the case of wargaming) hands and weapon. Personally, I think Mantic have got it just about right. While it doesn't have anatomically correct proportions like an Infinity miniature (see the pic above, models on the right), they are not as extreme as say the example with the Cadian.

So has anyone got any idea how long it's going to be before we see more of the vermeen army's stuff, not 100% impressed with the two there've show so far but the rest of the range might be better.

Polonius wrote:On a more on-topic note, outside of the corporation (which are ready build for IG)... what exactly is the target market for Warpath?

People like the idea of hrud and squats, but they dont' have rules, and counts only goes so far. The fact that the squats and orks were just slapdash conversions from the fantasy models limits their utility even further. So, their big sci-fi release included an army that can't be used in 40k, and one that has the cheapest GW models available (AoBR orks).

Completely agree, they haven't made the best of choices if the intent was to actually make rip-off 40k models. You could extend this to the IoB clanrats too. Add some guns to those and you have much cheaper Veer-Myn than what Mantic is making.


Guard vs. Tyranids should have been the primary target for any attempt at successfully selling a heaping pile of models to 40k players.

Those 2 armies are:

- Horde armies,
- In need of new models from GW.
- Have had their prices jacked to crazy levels by GW.
- Aren't available in any starter sets.
- Are largely free-for-alls when it comes to IP. Sci-fi humans, and space insect-aliens. Both generic, public domain concepts that had already been done to death long before GW existed.

Although that said, I will defend the Forgefathers are an excellent take on the dwarfs in space concept. Throw the fantasy legs and heads in the trash and the rest of it looks brilliant, far better than anything GW ever produced for their squat range.

The Forgefathers now have 2 very nice-looking units (stormrage veterans and drakkarim) which contain no fantasy parts, and one nice-looking vehicle. Even the steel warriors have enough sci-fi heads on the sprue to allow you to throw away both the goggles and the stupid fugly-looking fantasy heads that they're supposed to be attached to, which just leaves the legs with their clown shoes and swords as the problem, as far as looking like fantasy models goes.

Mantic derped on the basic infantry, but the rest of it is bloody excellent!

Marauders have no infantry that isn't fantasy based and one average-looking vehicle. They are definitely a rush-job, and the army just isn't appealing, AoBR exists if you want cheap 40k orks.

Mantic would have been much better off not bothering with the Marauders, and instead waiting an additional 4 months to release Warpath with an awesomely well-done Corporation vs. Forgefathers boxset with *zero* fantasy bits, and a single, well-done plastic sprue for each race's basic infantry.

It seems to me that Mantic make a lot of their production decisions based on how much cash they have in the piggy bank/ a need to "get stuff out there" at the time rather than what would actually make the most sense in the long run.

I'd love to see a Mantic forum on here, but I don't think there are enough people on Dakka who are even slightly interested enough in Mantic to make it worth having. Plus, it would only end up as an easy trolling target for GW fanboys, much like this thread often becomes.

scarletsquig wrote:far better than anything GW ever produced for their squat range.

Which honestly isnt that hard considering the squats were from an age of silliness, nearly 25 years ago

^ Yeah, that's pretty much stating the obvious. I don't disagree with you there.

Was just pointing out that:

"Fantasy legs on the steel warriors unit sucks"

Is not equal to:

"Every single model in the entire Forgefather model range sucks".

In fact, I hold the opinion that the fantasy components are in fact, the *only* thing that sucks about them in terms of sculpting quality specifically.

Polonius wrote:On a more on-topic note, outside of the corporation (which are ready build for IG)... what exactly is the target market for Warpath?

People who like every project that GW dropped in the 80s and early 90s for not being commercial enough

Again, I find myself nodding along to Scarletsquig's post. Nicely articulated, mate.

I am disappointed by the veer-myn (stupid name). I was hoping for something really off the wall for these guys, maybe some sort of AI race, or something? Cyborgs? Fleshy primitives hi-jacked by malevolent nanobots? Something better than mutant space rat obvious skaven rip offs, anyhow. I definitely won't buy any of these. So far, for Warpath, we have:
Forgefathers: Okay, I loved Squats when I started 40K and love Dwarves in general, so I am pro. Steel Warriors not that exciting, but with the rules being out there, I am tempted to put together a small force using the kits mantic have currently put out with some plastic AoW berserkers converted up to look more techy, and some home made vehicles with big drills and stuff on them. So, a win for mantic.
Marauders: These do not really excite me at all. I am an Ork player (durr) and I have a large army, nothing that mantic has released so far gets even near the GW plastics for me.
Loss for mantic.
Corporation: These guys are pretty sweet. I am definitely keeping my eye on them. I would have preferred something a bit more Fallout-esque, but hey, what they've done is actually pretty damn nice. Win for mantic.
Veer-myn: Well, I dislike the concept, the minis do nothing for me, and I don't see it going anywhere exciting. Space rats. On ships. Why is this an army? Where's the galactic space opera drama with...space rats? I can hardly see a colony going "OH NO, SPACE RATS!". No. Definitely loss.

So far, mantic are 2-2 for me. The next release had better be stronger or I will not be optimistic for the long term survival of the game. I'm hoping the Plague and the Bugs really blow me out of the water.

Da Boss wrote:I'm hoping the Plague and the Bugs really blow me out of the water.

I get the nagging feeling that the Plague is going to be something like a Corp soldier with a zombie head

I know what you mean. I'm dreading seeing the two man ghoul sprue (which is great for KoW, don't get me wrong) with guns instead of cleavers.

Da Boss wrote:Veer-myn: Well, I dislike the concept, the minis do nothing for me, and I don't see it going anywhere exciting. Space rats. On ships. Why is this an army? Where's the galactic space opera drama with...space rats? I can hardly see a colony going "OH NO, SPACE RATS!". No. Definitely loss.

I agree with this. At least the Orx only look like Space Hobos. Rats becoming anthromorphic rats just means they've got less places to hide, which means you've just removed the one trait most likely to save them from extinction.

Hang on, they keep calling them space mice the 8th race, are we skipping a few in between or did Mantic lie about their math test results?

BrookM wrote:Hang on, they keep calling them space mice the 8th race, are we skipping a few in between or did Mantic lie about their math test results?

It's marketing BS. They were going on like one of their races was a super-special secret to build up hype. Then they turned out to be fething ratmen.

There are seven other factions, but the Eighth Race jumped the queue.

Da Boss wrote: Space rats. On ships. Why is this an army?

Because it is a rejected GW project of the early 90s: Hrud were commonly imagined as Space Rats. Like Chaos Dwarfs, Squats, Lost and the Damned, Space Hulk, Gorkamorka and soon Bloodbowl, Mantic slavishly follows all neglected GW projects of that time, until they decide to make their first original concept. It is a wonder that they haven't released Greatcoats, Zoats and AdMech yet, but probably that's races 9-11

If this thread demonstrates one thing, it's that everyone seems to have a different stick that they want to beat Mantic with. To take Da Boss's hypothetical, what if Mantic had released a new AI race of intelligent robots? The forums would be awash with cries of 'Necron rip offs lol'. At least with 50% of their Warpath range so far, they don't have any direct GW 40K analogy currently produced. What more can they do? They have to tread a fine line between originality yet while still appealing to customers of the elephant in the room.

To be honest, if they had come out with 8 entirely new and original races, this thread would be full of people applauding them for originality and daring whilst at the same time not buying any product.

filbert wrote:If this thread demonstrates one thing, it's that everyone seems to have a different stick that they want to beat Mantic with.

It's kind of like the story of the blind men and the elephant. Just because someone only attacks one decision at a time does not mean that the total argument is incoherent.

To take Da Boss's hypothetical, what if Mantic had released a new AI race of intelligent robots? The forums would be awash with cries of 'Necron rip offs lol'.

There's AI and then there's AI. If they made a race of omnicidal, humanoid robots, then yes, they'd be called Necron ripoffs (and rightly so). But nobody would call the Tachikoma a Necron ripoff, and that's just one example of a non-Necron-like AI.

At least with 50% of their Warpath range so far, they don't have any direct GW 40K analogy currently produced. What more can they do? They have to tread a fine line between originality yet while still appealing to customers of the elephant in the room.

There are more ways than one that their models could be like GW models, and they've got an irritating habit of picking precisely the wrong ones.

Filbert, I see where you're coming from, but I guess I can't express my view on the Veermyn in any way other than the way I have. I think they are incredibly lame.

I think that is the issue most people have with them - not that they're GW rip offs, I don't have an issue with that. I recommend mantic products to new players (and especially kids that I know don't play in GW stores) regularly, because they are great value for money. I really want Mantic to succeed and still be around 5 years from now.

I just think they make some dumb decisions sometimes and it makes me worried that they're going to flop.

filbert wrote: At least with 50% of their Warpath range so far, they don't have any direct GW 40K analogy currently produced.

Squats, Gorkamorka themed Orks, Elysian Guard, Hrud, a Space Hulk and a Nurgle and bug race announced. Guess I missed the 50% not direct analogies

To be fair, he said "currently" produced in both warpath and 40k

Although afterwards it'll be less than 50%

Kroothawk wrote:

filbert wrote: At least with 50% of their Warpath range so far, they don't have any direct GW 40K analogy currently produced.

Squats, Gorkamorka themed Orks, Elysian Guard, Hrud, a Space Hulk and a Nurgle and bug race announced. Guess I missed the 50% not direct analogies

I read that and got a angry feeling of "who's this blind guy", they i saw it was you and laughed...

One day mantic will do a human army composed of soldiers in breatplate and chainmal holding halberds, kroot will come here and say "that is obvious a GW hip off, we all know GW inventend foot soldiers in breat plate holding halberds..."

If you take a look at 40k, what GW left for other companies to use? Serious, aparently they alredy used everything sci-fi have to offer... If even an army of half cyborg zombies will be called "nurgle" (I call it BORG, but im a trekkie).

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:If you take a look at 40k, what GW left for other companies to use?

Here's an easy one: stick the humans in the Tau slot, with hovertanks, exo-suits, UAVs and battle rifles. They'd still sell to Guard players, but also sell to people wanting a counts-as Tau army. Give them female infantry as a plastic kit, and you've also got the players annoyed at GW's treatment of the Sisters of Battle.

That's one army that appeals to three times as many players, and is fully compatible with 40k without being a straight copy.

If even an army of half cyborg zombies will be called "nurgle" (I call it BORG, but im a trekkie).

Technological necromancy is Adeptus Mechanicus, not Nurgle. Get your facts straight.

AlexHolker wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:If you take a look at 40k, what GW left for other companies to use?

Here's an easy one: stick the humans in the Tau slot, with hovertanks, exo-suits, UAVs and battle rifles. They'd still sell to Guard players, but also sell to people wanting a counts-as Tau army. Give them female infantry as a plastic kit, and you've also got the players annoyed at GW's treatment of the Sisters of Battle.

That's one army that appeals to three times as many players, and is fully compatible with 40k without being a straight copy.

If even an army of half cyborg zombies will be called "nurgle" (I call it BORG, but im a trekkie).

Technological necromancy is Adeptus Mechanicus, not Nurgle. Get your facts straight.

lol, thanks

Mantic just made half that (Corporation can be used as Tau...) And they will probably do the exo suits in the future (there will be some type of "space marines" in exosuits).

Thanks for the ideia, i think now i have some reason to spend money on corporation

I can`t think of any other manufacturer making space rats, so they are in fact filling an untapped demand.

Whether or not they`re `ripping off`an unusedéd and unconfirmed concept that another manufacturer may or may not have developed a decade ago is irrelevant. Not to mention that every concept GW has ever had was ripped off from somebody else.

And if you`re disappointed because you bought into some sort of self-generated hype bout this new race being a completely original, mindblowing new direction for science fiction, well, then, you`re just a tool.

Kroothawk wrote:

filbert wrote: At least with 50% of their Warpath range so far, they don't have any direct GW 40K analogy currently produced.

Squats, Gorkamorka themed Orks, Elysian Guard, Hrud, a Space Hulk and a Nurgle and bug race announced. Guess I missed the 50% not direct analogies

How is this any different then all the other parasite companies (Chapterhouse, etc.) riding GW 's IP and shilling there stuff here on Dakka regularly?

Lets not pretend this is new or in any way shocking...

CT GAMER wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

filbert wrote: At least with 50% of their Warpath range so far, they don't have any direct GW 40K analogy currently produced.

Squats, Gorkamorka themed Orks, Elysian Guard, Hrud, a Space Hulk and a Nurgle and bug race announced. Guess I missed the 50% not direct analogies

How is this any different then all the other parasite companies (Chapterhouse, etc.) riding GW 's IP and shilling there stuff here on Dakka regularly?

Lets not pretend this is new or in any way shocking...

You used a two big scary concepts here, and wrongly... First, they are not parasites, second, they are not riding GWs Ip...

Chapter House dont act as parasites, at least i never heard of GW asking them to remove anything from their site... And the last time, not even GW knew to point how they had infringed they IP. It is not their fault if GW make books and let some models undone... They just see a market possibilitie and act on it. Is Gogle a parasite on Microsoft?

And yeas, Mantic act in a VERY diferent way, their products are intended to be alternatives to GW, but they never have been copies, and never had infringed GW IP. Orcs, Dwarfs, and Ratmans are a very commonplace in fantasy, maybe we dont see much fantasy on space those days.

Im not a GW Hater anymore, but guys, sometimes you act as GW blinded...

Fetterkey wrote:

Chaplain Pallantide wrote:@Polonius: Never mind Fetterkey, he's a GW fanboy to the max, so anything that comes near the greatness that is GW, he knocks...

That's not the case. I like a lot of things GW does, but there are things about other manufacturers that I like too. I'm a big fan of Darkson Designs' AE-WWII line, for instance. Dystopian Wars isn't my cup of tea, but I think they've pulled off what they do quite well. I would like to try out Infinity, but nobody really plays it in my area. The key thing that all those other systems have that Mantic's systems don't is that they are credible as standalone systems. Mantic quite frankly isn't. Their "Corporation" troopers are probably their strongest independent line, but even still the GW influence is obvious.

When I see a Mantic model I think "ah, some not-Skaven or not-Squats or not-Orks." I don't even know the real names of the Mantic lines-- I think the not-squats are "Forgefathers" but I'm blanking on the others. To me, that's a major problem. I really enjoy the narrative elements of the hobby, and when I don't even think of the models as representing what they're supposed to, there's no way I'm going to get into the game. In order for Mantic to get my money as an actual competitor to 40k, they would have to do substantially better than GW on at least one of the following:

1) Models
2) Rules
3) Fluff

Their models are worse, albeit cheap, their rules are worse, and their fluff is more or less nonexistent.

I don't necessarily blame them-- it's really hard to compete with a big, established "elephant in the room" like GW, which is why most of the companies that offer alternative games choose markedly different settings, like the pulp/Hellboy feel of AE-WWII, the "steampunk Epic" of Dystopian Wars, or the cyberpunk skirmish of Infinity. I'm just saying that Mantic has done nothing to demonstrate that they're anything other than a GW knockoff company.

When you get right down to it, if GW went out of business, Mantic would too.

That is sort of the case.

The case being you felt GW have any originality in what you consider Mantics to be knock off of.
For the rest of us that knows GW knocks off generic fantasy / sci fi line, and Mantic does the same,
you would stop comparing the 2....

CT GAMER wrote:How is this any different then all the other parasite companies (Chapterhouse, etc.) riding GW 's IP and shilling there stuff here on Dakka regularly?

I don't hate what Mantic does out of loyalty to GW, quite the opposite. I've been waiting for ten years for GW to make an army I want to buy, and by choosing to follow in GW's rut Mantic ensures that they won't make that wait any shorter.

Chapterhouse simply isn't a player at that level, so nothing they do can disappoint me.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Mantic just made half that (Corporation can be used as Tau...)

Only the same way Guard can be used as Tau. I'm talking about making a deliberate effort to make their humans be more than an Imperial Guard expy.

And they will probably do the exo suits in the future (there will be some type of "space marines" in exosuits).

That's not what I mean by exosuits. I mean things like Landmates, not just power armour.

Thanks for the ideia, i think now i have some reason to spend money on corporation

You're just saying that to annoy me, aren't you?

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:If you take a look at 40k, what GW left for other companies to use? Serious, aparently they alredy used everything sci-fi have to offer... If even an army of half cyborg zombies will be called "nurgle" (I call it BORG, but im a trekkie).

We dont need to look at GW to know whats cool.

When I first heard of Mantic making "Corporation" I immediately thought YES ONI CORPS!


and people LOVE these

Da Boss wrote:I just think they make some dumb decisions sometimes and it makes me worried that they're going to flop.

Not much risk of that happening, they have utterly miniscule overheads, and outsource as much as they can. All of the art/sculpting/design/non-metal casting is done out of house. I can't see Ronnie as a CEO making the crazy decisions that Rackham did, either.. that was a textbook example of how to take something brilliant and ruin absolutely every good thing about it.

It's a very lean operation with less than a dozen employees. Slightly larger than a garage company, but not by a great amount.

It's some pretty impressive marketing (and production skill) on their part that they've managed to become considered as GW's main direct competition despite the fact that they are about a thousand times smaller.

Love the ratmen.

Wish there was a ruleset that appealed to me to use them with!

scarletsquig wrote:It's some pretty impressive marketing (and production skill) on their part that they've managed to become considered as GW's main direct competition despite the fact that they are about a thousand times smaller.

I think everyone thinks Privateer is GW's direct competition. Mantic isn't even the most well-known GW knockoff seller...


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LunaHound wrote:The case being you felt GW have any originality in what you consider Mantics to be knock off of.
For the rest of us that knows GW knocks off generic fantasy / sci fi line, and Mantic does the same,
you would stop comparing the 2....

Oh, come off it-- Mantic's products are clearly based on GW concepts. GW's Skaven, for instance, are arcanepunky rat-men with a tattered and generally nonuniform appearance. Mantic's new not-Skaven are exactly the same, despite being in a totally different setting. Similarly, Mantic's Corporation guys have weapons that are basically lifted directly from GW. Hell, Mantic even says (sometimes) that they're "The Alternative Miniatures Company--" the alternative, of course, to GW.

Fetterkey wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:It's some pretty impressive marketing (and production skill) on their part that they've managed to become considered as GW's main direct competition despite the fact that they are about a thousand times smaller.

I think everyone thinks Privateer is GW's direct competition. Mantic isn't even the most well-known GW knockoff seller...


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LunaHound wrote:The case being you felt GW have any originality in what you consider Mantics to be knock off of.
For the rest of us that knows GW knocks off generic fantasy / sci fi line, and Mantic does the same,
you would stop comparing the 2....

Oh, come off it-- Mantic's products are clearly based on GW concepts. GW's Skaven, for instance, are arcanepunky rat-men with a tattered and generally nonuniform appearance. Mantic's new not-Skaven are exactly the same, despite being in a totally different setting. Similarly, Mantic's Corporation guys have weapons that are basically lifted directly from GW. Hell, Mantic even says (sometimes) that they're "The Alternative Miniatures Company--" the alternative, of course, to GW.

?? Really so GW came up with the design for rat-men? They totally and utterly developed the concept and nurtured it to maturity all by them selves?

EVERYTHING GW has made had been a knock off of some archtype out there with some interesting splicing and weaving on their part.

Space Marines- SST MI/ Dune shadukar (who btw where organized in Legions)
'Nids- have you seen the alien/ aliens movies?
Guard- WWII infintry IN SPACE!!!!
Eldar- Elves...IN SPACE!!!
Orks, Orc's in space

See where I am going with this? There are only so many different ways to make a human in blah, it's to late to argue with people who already have their minds made up. Hate on Mantic all you like, I can't wait until GW is rotting in hell. Hopefully someone picks up the 40k IP and does something good with it, they can't do any worse then GW has done in the last 7-10 years.

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:?? Really so GW came up with the design for rat-men? They totally and utterly developed the concept and nurtured it to maturity all by them selves?

Nope, certainly not. However, their "flavor" of ratmen looks exactly like Mantic's "flavor" of ratmen, and given Mantic's track record it seems pretty clear where Mantic got their idea.

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:EVERYTHING GW has made had been a knock off of some archtype out there with some interesting splicing and weaving on their part.

Sure, that's definitely the case. Mantic, on the other hand, has been making knockoffs of GW without any interesting splicing and weaving.

Not interesting to you Fetterkey, but the general point of this thread is for posting news and rumour about Mantic for people who are interested in reading about it.

I think if anything this thread indicates that we need some kind of Mantic sub-section on this forum, just the same comments that have been going backwards and forwards not only the last 3 pages, but throughout the previous 50.

Anyway, in effort to try and keep something of this thread on topic, some Corporation minis from Golem studios from their facebook page

These soldiers need to go to gym to fortify those thighs.

I do have one complaint based on that last lot of pics: Why is nobody in Corporation ever looking to their right? Have they worked out a way to get around spaceships without taking right hand corridors?


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"Completely agree, they haven't made the best of choices if the intent was to actually make rip-off 40k models. You could extend this to the IoB clanrats too. Add some guns to those and you have much cheaper Veer-Myn than what Mantic is making."

It struck me when reading this, that maybe their "poor choices in trying rip off GW" might indicate that they aren't trying to be a GW rip-off?

garrapignado wrote:These soldiers need to go to gym to fortify those thighs.

That and why are they all firing from the hip? But the super skinny thighs really bug me.

Pretty good paintwork there. Why do all the regular guns look like they are bent out of shape? Each one seems to be curving upwards, hopefully that is fixeable with a bit of adjusting.

ArbeitsSchu wrote:I do have one complaint based on that last lot of pics: Why is nobody in Corporation ever looking to their right? Have they worked out a way to get around spaceships without taking right hand corridors?

Thats been bothering me too. Worst case scenario the heads are already attached to the bodies. You know theres a reason why people like multi part models mantic, something you usually dont do at all

ArbeitsSchu wrote:
"Completely agree, they haven't made the best of choices if the intent was to actually make rip-off 40k models. You could extend this to the IoB clanrats too. Add some guns to those and you have much cheaper Veer-Myn than what Mantic is making."

It struck me when reading this, that maybe their "poor choices in trying rip off GW" might indicate that they aren't trying to be a GW rip-off?

So then what are they an alternative for? Infinite?

kenshin620 wrote:

ArbeitsSchu wrote:I do have one complaint based on that last lot of pics: Why is nobody in Corporation ever looking to their right? Have they worked out a way to get around spaceships without taking right hand corridors?

Thats been bothering me too. Worst case scenario the heads are already attached to the bodies. You know theres a reason why people like multi part models mantic, something you usually dont do at all

ArbeitsSchu wrote:
"Completely agree, they haven't made the best of choices if the intent was to actually make rip-off 40k models. You could extend this to the IoB clanrats too. Add some guns to those and you have much cheaper Veer-Myn than what Mantic is making."

It struck me when reading this, that maybe their "poor choices in trying rip off GW" might indicate that they aren't trying to be a GW rip-off?

So then what are they an alternative for? Infinite?

There is a difference between styling oneself as an alternative, and being a "rip-off" though.

ArbeitsSchu wrote:

There is a difference between styling oneself as an alternative, and being a "rip-off" though.

Euphemism perhaps?

garrapignado wrote:These soldiers need to go to gym to fortify those thighs.

Hah, yeah I was thinking "Needs more squats and oats" when I saw them.


Something is off about their proportions and I can't put my finger on it. Maybe it's because they are interchangeable parts---or I don't know...something just seems off.

Or maybe we have had too much of GW's heroic scale and when something is sculpted close to true scale, it looks out of place? Just a thought...

Chaplain Pallantide wrote:Or maybe we have had too much of GW's heroic scale and when something is sculpted close to true scale, it looks out of place? Just a thought...

Yeah I thought maybe it was my Cadian bias as well--but after comparing to Infinity, etc.---just something seems off.

I'd have a hard time comparing anything to the infinity line, which baring their early sculpts, are leaps and bounds above GW, PP and others.

For me, this is like seeing the Elysian Drop Troopers for the first time. They looked down right out of place compared to GW's main line, then it dawned on me that they were actually made true scale as opposed to the beefy cadians.

Love those new pics from Golem.. they do awesome work. As of my next fig, they're gonna be handling the models for my game too

I'll probably start with a or 2 box of vets. The only thing I'm not as sold on is the heavy weapons though... I like em, but they just feel a little too short & stubby to me, mostly just in the barrels.. maybe I can extend em a bit with some plastirods.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:If you take a look at 40k, what GW left for other companies to use? Serious, aparently they alredy used everything sci-fi have to offer...

I don't think that's the case.

Take AT-43, for example. The game felt like something out of the pages of a french bande dessinée drawn by Moebius or Enki Bilal. It had space soviets and rocket-riding gorillas, amongst many other crazy, off the wall ideas, yet noone would look at an AT-43 Karmann and say it's a Jokaero ripoff. (And vice-versa. The GW jokaero sculpt is entirely different to Rackham's take on the "space-monkeys with guns" trope). Rackham went down because of some deeply misguided business choices, not for the lack of appeal of their miniatures and setting.

Same goes for Infinity. One could argue that 40k is not as much an inspiration for Corvus Belli as it is Mutant Chronicles' Warzone, but the anime/manga angle, a setting deeply rooted in contemporary sci-fi and a distinct "future military" feel help setting Infinity apart from other sci-fi games, past and present.

Being different from GW's Warhammer 40k is not only possible, it's even easy.

Agent_Tremolo wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:If you take a look at 40k, what GW left for other companies to use? Serious, aparently they alredy used everything sci-fi have to offer...

I don't think that's the case.

Take AT-43, for example. The game felt like something out of the pages of a french bande dessinée drawn by Moebius or Enki Bilal. It had space soviets and rocket-riding gorillas, amongst many other crazy, off the wall ideas, yet noone would look at an AT-43 Karmann and say it's a Jokaero ripoff. (And vice-versa. The GW jokaero sculpt is entirely different to Rackham's take on the "space-monkeys with guns" trope). Rackham went down because of some deeply misguided business choices, not for the lack of appeal of their miniatures and setting.

Same goes for Infinity. One could argue that 40k is not as much an inspiration for Corvus Belli as it is Mutant Chronicles' Warzone, but the anime/manga angle, a setting deeply rooted in contemporary sci-fi and a distinct "future military" feel help setting Infinity apart from other sci-fi games, past and present.

Being different from GW's Warhammer 40k is not only possible, it's even easy.

I love the look of CB's models. A fusion of cyberpunk and anime. Whats not to like? =o]

I like what Mantic is doing. I like the look and costs of their figgies. I've been thinking of using Pig Iron's models for Tomorrow's War, but the Corperation might do well also. Especially if they release a 'not-spacehulk- game or spaceship boarding rules.

Agent_Tremolo wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:If you take a look at 40k, what GW left for other companies to use? Serious, aparently they alredy used everything sci-fi have to offer...

I don't think that's the case.

Take AT-43, for example. The game felt like something out of the pages of a french bande dessinée drawn by Moebius or Enki Bilal. It had space soviets and rocket-riding gorillas, amongst many other crazy, off the wall ideas, yet noone would look at an AT-43 Karmann and say it's a Jokaero ripoff. (And vice-versa. The GW jokaero sculpt is entirely different to Rackham's take on the "space-monkeys with guns" trope). Rackham went down because of some deeply misguided business choices, not for the lack of appeal of their miniatures and setting.

Same goes for Infinity. One could argue that 40k is not as much an inspiration for Corvus Belli as it is Mutant Chronicles' Warzone, but the anime/manga angle, a setting deeply rooted in contemporary sci-fi and a distinct "future military" feel help setting Infinity apart from other sci-fi games, past and present.

Being different from GW's Warhammer 40k is not only possible, it's even easy.

So Mantic took the common ideais, those that never belong to anyone, made his own interpretations of it, sold it for lower prices and BANG!!! Was called a GW rip-off. From that point on, Mantic will be a GW-rip-off forever, nonetheles what they produce... Look at those corporation troops, they have a great fluff, a tottally distinct apearance, and people still call them "IG-copy".

Take a deep look at Mantic range, and the only line i see that dont make sense (except as a GW rip-off) are the Chaos Dwarves, all the rest is greatly done, very original (in design and fluff, when the last one exists) and normally for great prices. Maybe it is easy to do things different from GW, but if you get close to the common lore they used to build their scenario, them you are ripp-offing them?