Yeah, HH seems to exist in a weird twilight zone right now. It's clear that they're trying to make it more accessible, but the things that really make the HH so interesting are all of the exotic and characterful vehicles and infantry units that currently only exist in resin.
For a lot of us, the combination of FW outrageous pricing and the difficulty of working with resin just makes the bar too high for entry. Plastic kits can solve all of that, and the ones that they've previewed so far look to be making a good start on that. ...but as everyone's already pointed out ... they just aren't releasing the kits!
It's so strange to me. I've already lost track of which kits are out, which have release dates, and which haven't received release dates. And then there's the problem that their online store is *constantly* out of stock. It's just exhausting, and makes the whole thing feel like more effort than its worth, for me at least.
Anyone else get the impression they were surprised by how many people seem to like the game?
It seems like it’s getting the “obscure side game” release schedule rather than the “third core game” one.
It does feel like it; I was expecting some more core infantry to have at least been announced by now; assault/despoilers, breachers, and we still don't have an announced release for the last of the previewed heavy weapons. My take is these should have been at the forefront of a new launch. :S
Shooty Leviathan, Predator, Sicaran, two sets of Heavy Weapons. Pretty sure there’s another one or two things officially previewed I’ve forgotten?
I think that's all the plastic stuff previewed yea. Then there's the resin characters like Lucius and the resin Praetors.
Are we not missing another Special Weapons set? Grav guns and whatnot?
There is two more heavy weapon sets still to come. One has 10 plasma cannons, 10 heavy flamers, and 10 multi-meltas. The other has 10 volkite culverins, 10 lascannons, and 10 autocannons.
Anyone else get the impression they were surprised by how many people seem to like the game?
It seems like it’s getting the “obscure side game” release schedule rather than the “third core game” one.
It does feel like it; I was expecting some more core infantry to have at least been announced by now; assault/despoilers, breachers, and we still don't have an announced release for the last of the previewed heavy weapons. My take is these should have been at the forefront of a new launch. :S
Shooty Leviathan, Predator, Sicaran, two sets of Heavy Weapons. Pretty sure there’s another one or two things officially previewed I’ve forgotten?
I think that's all the plastic stuff previewed yea. Then there's the resin characters like Lucius and the resin Praetors.
Are we not missing another Special Weapons set? Grav guns and whatnot?
There is two more heavy weapon sets still to come. One has 10 plasma cannons, 10 heavy flamers, and 10 multi-meltas. The other has 10 volkite culverins, 10 lascannons, and 10 autocannons.
wish they'd hurry up there I see the lascanon pack selling really well
crumby_cataphract wrote: Yeah, HH seems to exist in a weird twilight zone right now. It's clear that they're trying to make it more accessible, but the things that really make the HH so interesting are all of the exotic and characterful vehicles and infantry units that currently only exist in resin.
For a lot of us, the combination of FW outrageous pricing and the difficulty of working with resin just makes the bar too high for entry. Plastic kits can solve all of that, and the ones that they've previewed so far look to be making a good start on that. ...but as everyone's already pointed out ... they just aren't releasing the kits!
It's so strange to me. I've already lost track of which kits are out, which have release dates, and which haven't received release dates. And then there's the problem that their online store is *constantly* out of stock. It's just exhausting, and makes the whole thing feel like more effort than its worth, for me at least.
Beyond the starting release (mk6, rhino, kratos, ML/HB and special weapons), the only thing out is the melee Leviathan. And the IF & Sons of Horus resin shoulders and hats.
Only thing with a release date are the DA resin shoulders and hats.
Re-release boxes of Mk3 and 4 kits are stuck in restock, Deimos Rhino is largely stuck out of stock, Kratos (and I think special weapons sometimes) slides back and forth.
Future release dates aren't really a thing GW does. Its either the Sunday preview of the Saturday preorder, or... nothing.
The building of Chonnclestiltskin was a bit of a revelation for me.
I’ve previously built a resin Contemptor, and found the legs such a pain in the arse to get a good pose with it put me further off.
But the plastic kit has pretty much resolved that fear. Same with the plastic Contemptor. Those few seconds of play time before the poly cement (I use GW, because I used to have a shop up the road which was nice and easy) properly starts to do its thing was literal wiggle room.
Just need to buy some 6mm x 1mm magnets and I can start sorting out his claws.
It’s a really nice kit to put together, though a couple of bits took some dry fitting to twig. Probably me being thick though, as in the instructions did match once I figured it out.
Model also has a pretty satisfying heft, certainly more than I was expecting from a plastic kit. But in hindsight there’s not a lot of empty space in the kit itself. Definitely of a mood to buy more for a Fury of the Ancients list in due course, because everyone loves a Dreadnought.
I would love to get my army going and play some games but I am having to wait for the official GWNL upgrade sets and the 3rd party bits that I have ordered.
I imagine many people are doing the same, or just waiting for other kits to release that they want in their army (at least for people new to HH).
Could be a reason why games aren't happening at a faster rate around the different gaming stores.
EldarExarch wrote: I would love to get my army going and play some games but I am having to wait for the official GWNL upgrade sets and the 3rd party bits that I have ordered.
I imagine many people are doing the same, or just waiting for other kits to release that they want in their army (at least for people new to HH).
Could be a reason why games aren't happening at a faster rate around the different gaming stores.
It’s also been around for 10 years now (I know this precisely, as I spent one of my first pay cheques from my job on Heresy, and I’ve been in that role 10 years), without in-store playing as such.
Give it time and it might become an in-store staple. But despite some impressive Rubicon Plasticaris, I suspect this is still seen as a Higher End offering, one Noobs to the hobby need to build toward.
I’m not saying this to be gate keepery or snobbish. And I’m not levelling those at the Heresy Community either. But being high end cost for a decade, it think it is still largely seen as a luxury among luxuries.
My crew is *trying* to get into it as we all have the starter box but nothing else is available. Everything we want/need is out of stock from both GW and FW and has been so since release.
That's been my biggest issue as well. I want to order the IW dread, tyrant siege terms, and a few other things. I can never find them all in stock at the same time and really don't feel like paying several FW shipping charges.
To be fair, some people couldn’t care less about more space marines with slightly different armor shapes. Especially week after week of them.
Some people, but let's be frank, not the vast vast majority of their customer base.
And certainly not anyone interested in Horus Heresy - we're because of all the slightly different armor shapes!
People play HH for the story.
Yeah, I remember back when phosphex quad launchers and other flavors du jour were such an integral part of so many 30K players' "stories".
I'm willing to accept that overall 30K players are probably more concerned about narrative to some degree, especially given what 40K has become. But let's not pretend they're all so high-minded to be above any powergaming.
Or pretend that 30K appeals to everyone (I say this as an owner of a 30K World Eaters army). Which is why GW dared to release *something else* instead of dedicating every single week to 30K.
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Toofast wrote: He must live in the only local meta on Earth where Warcry is more popular than HH. The only other option is that he's lying but we all know that couldn't be it...
It's kind of a silly discussion either way because none of us can really know without their sales numbers. However, it stands to reason that Warcry is a profitable venture for GW based on their release of a second edition plus quarterly large boxed sets to come.
We can also surmise that although the plastic kits are a godsend to the 30K community and HH was a larger release for the company...it's still not a 'third core game' on the level of 40K and AoS, based on how many kits are resin and will likely remain so. The marketing plan doesn't look too much different than those of the specialist games that some 30K players seem to think HH is so much better than...
EldarExarch wrote: I would love to get my army going and play some games but I am having to wait for the official GWNL upgrade sets and the 3rd party bits that I have ordered.
I imagine many people are doing the same, or just waiting for other kits to release that they want in their army (at least for people new to HH).
Could be a reason why games aren't happening at a faster rate around the different gaming stores.
Yep, waiting for my IH shoulder pads to hit the stores. Meanwhile I can build everything else than Tacticals although games are still impossible because of that.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Definitely of a mood to buy more for a Fury of the Ancients list in due course, because everyone loves a Dreadnought.
I'm having great fun with a Fury of the Ancients list, but it can give away too many VPs in certain missions.
It's funny, because from what I saw and heard on HH discussions, now that Dreads and Terminators aren't paper tigers that can be killed in 2 seconds like in HH 1.0 but durable like they should be spamming them starts to be staple of 'that guy' in HH 2.0 (which is a shame as I like both of these models). So much for playing for 'story', eh?
Anyway, there is the other side of the coin - 'brutal' weapons. Now that these are the most efficient way of getting rid of the above (and also stuff like wehicles, primarchs, MCs, etc, etc) people are starting to spam them, which only further highlights how gak the whole "U"SR system is and how people defending it have 80s blinkers on. Not only is it a massive chore to decipher (especially in new HH where melee weapon can have 5-8 USRs apiece slowing game to a crawl for 5+ minutes when a new player tries to decipher what the fancy sword on his praetor does, and that's just attacks on a single model), they are single biggest source of errors (made by old players going by what the USR did in past edition, which is rarely what it does in this one) and cheating (thatguys claiming wrong rules knowing checking it would grind the game to a halt or pretending they didn't know it changed and deliberately using HH 1.0 USRs where it suits them).
Going back to brutal weapons - USR gak makes the weapon impossible to fix now that it turned out to be overtuned. In 9th edition, when weapon is too good, it can be individually changed or adjusted. In HH? All you can do is to nerf brutal (which nerfs all weapons with it, including balanced ones) or delete USR entirely, running said weapon into the ground with brutal (heh) nerf. Neither of this choices is any good. And in any case, having a ""rule"" telling people how much damage a weapon does is pants on head stupid and it should just be in the weapon profile, like in any sane system. Doing so would also let GW drop 90% of comically redundant USRs, and, if they really need to keep them, allow the system to have 5-10 really universal rules that can be memorized instead of nearly 100+ that only come into play on one or two weapons or only apply to a single army. Hopefully HH 3.0 will do what Alan Bligh wanted to do back in 2017 and finally dumps the last vestiges of gak game that was 7th edition and goes with modern ruleset that actually works, without having to put Carnifex-thick rose glasses on...
We were discussing this after a game on Saturday - turning Dread fists to Brutal 2 (or even D3) might help, but melta and armourbane need to do something against Dreads.
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EldarExarch wrote: Believe me you ain't the only one waiting on those MkIII.
My e-mail has been completely silent too.
This would be one of those times where a little transparency from GW would go a long way. A simple announcement stating they've got a shipment on the way to the US by ship would help, especially if they went so far as to name the ship so people could use a ship tracker website to see how long it takes.
Hard to tell if that side on photo is completely side on, if it is the plastic one is slightly more narrow on its angles which I like, the old one does look a little brick like next to how tight the kratos slope is.
With the Mk iii, is it possible that they have breacher and destroyer upgrade sprues designed for them, and so are waiting to put out the unit box resupply at the same time?
I don't mean the shortage was planned, but seeing as it's happened they might think 'may as well make an event out of the return'.
soviet13 wrote: With the Mk iii, is it possible that they have breacher and destroyer upgrade sprues designed for them, and so are waiting to put out the unit box resupply at the same time?
I don't mean the shortage was planned, but seeing as it's happened they might think 'may as well make an event out of the return'.
it's possiable but every unlikely, the MK VI design is what will get breacher and despoiler kits, the MK IIIs already have those upgrades in resin on forge world
Early, initial 2-3 games at 1000pts between friends, learning more than anything tactical or for winning, do YMMV.
1. Dreadnaughts are powerful, with a lean on perhaps being TOO good. Brutal is really powerful, and the change into being a 'monstrous creature' rather than 'Hull Point' makes them far more durable. Our group believes the new changes are definitely required, but the points need to be increased (as they are essentially the same from HH 1.0)
2. Whover wrote the legion rules needs a kick in the dick. They all smack of different writers not following the same sheet. If and SoH rules are great, Salamanders and RG are awful. Worse, a lot of the rights of war actively go against or simply do next to nothing. A serious buff or rules change is required ASAP for legions that SIMPLY READING THE Rules shows how awful they are.
3. The nerf to the 'pie plates of death' and general lack of spammable AP2/3 has been welcome. Terminators are tough, power armour is resilient, and the game feels more about infantry slogging it out with tank support, dreads fighting and actual brother on brother slaps than 'arty dumping phophex bs.
4. Adding onto 3, the nerf to plasma and the new breaching mechanic in general, we like it. Reduces the plasma weapons universal affectiveness from deleting terminators and dreads. However, Melta still seems weak, needs a buff of some kind, especially in smashing dreads.
5. Lastly, the 'Line' mechanic for scoring, pretty good, perhaps needs to be given to more units in rights of war, but so far, seems to be working well.
Looks okay. You'd only want one pack of those heads for your 40 AoD marines, additional variation would have to come from another legion set. Only okay though, could have been done better (looks a little goofy imo).
Turns out the Wulfen are not the most shameful secret the Space Wolves harbour..... and here was me hoping that HH would not fall for the wolf wolf wolf trap
Generally, they haven't. Unit wise they're still much more Viking-inspired than "we only have one word" inspired and apart from being able to take Fenrisian Wolves as an upgrade in HH 1 (not sure if they still can) everything was much more Norse.
Reminds me of the half skull 'wolf' tattoos* that started making the rounds some years back. The owners think they're really rad, but its all kind of sad, instead.
These go really well with Santa Claws and Murderboatface, but they feel really tone deaf for 30k.
Another waste of Heresy Thursday that we can mark off the list.
*the skull is actually based on raccoons, because they have relatively heavier jaws than the narrow skulls of wolves. It looks more intimidating (for the kind of people that go in for that sort of thing).
Gert wrote: Generally, they haven't. Unit wise they're still much more Viking-inspired than "we only have one word" inspired and apart from being able to take Fenrisian Wolves as an upgrade in HH 1 (not sure if they still can) everything was much more Norse.
Gert wrote: Generally, they haven't. Unit wise they're still much more Viking-inspired than "we only have one word" inspired and apart from being able to take Fenrisian Wolves as an upgrade in HH 1 (not sure if they still can) everything was much more Norse.
In fairness, they have two. Wolf and Ice.
Yeah … I know we shouldn’t expect much more than a nod to actual science in 40K, but I’m still baffled by how shooting coldness actually works.
These are just bafflingly terrible. This is the kind of stuff that the furry lovers go to thingiverse to print; not the stuff I expect from GW.
I feel bad for folks who have been long time space wolf fans, only to see them get continuously dunked on with just unbelievably cringeworthy lore/models. Probably the only legion to get more dunked on (in the stupidity sense -- not regarding battlefield victory/loss) than Iron Hands, if only because they actually *make stuff* for space wolves (although I'm guessing long time space wolf fans wish they'd stop, lol).
MonkeyBallistic wrote: Yeah … I know we shouldn’t expect much more than a nod to actual science in 40K, but I’m still baffled by how shooting coldness actually works.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: Yeah … I know we shouldn’t expect much more than a nod to actual science in 40K, but I’m still baffled by how shooting coldness actually works.
Put diamonds in a fancy gun and make bad puns.
No! That movie also never happened, just like these stupid helmets. That don’t exist.
Mr_Rose wrote: No! That movie also never happened, just like these stupid helmets. That don’t exist.
(BTAS forever!)
Arnie is the absolute best thing to come out of that movie. His puns are glorious.
Look, I’m not going to argue that point directly but I still feel they could have just made 90 minutes of Arnie cracking terrible ice puns as a stand-alone film and kept that stuff away from any DC properties and both would have been better off for it.
StraightSilver wrote: I've loved all the other Legion upgrade heads and shoulders so far, but these are a (wide) miss for me.
One wolf's head helmet might have been OK, but not all the same.
TO ME, these upgrade helmets wouldn't be something I'd use on every model anyway. I mostly stuck with stock helmets for my XIIth, putting the bunny ears on characters and other important models. Again TO ME, more stock models fit the setting...it's not 40K where every model should be blinged out and OTT.
As a VIth legion player, the wolf helms seem mostly fine. I'm using the wolf helms from the 40k kit on my characters, and that's likely how I'd manage these too, either any further character conversion, or maybe a vet/seeker squad to really differentiate them from the troops.
Not a huge fan of beakies personally, but they aren't far from the legion's aesthetic, and generally anything I can do for minor individualisation of their armour is fine by me.
Those shoulder pads are a miss for me though, will likely stick to my transfers.
Honestly, I love this version of the Wolf helmet (they even used it for the primaris action figures). Or a wolf skull. But they based it off the design that comes in the SW box and I hate that one.
Those wolf helmets look terrible. Come on, GW, what the hell were thinking. Would love to be a fly on the wall of the meetings where those designs were decided upon. I imagine everyone was being sarcastic "Yeah, sure, John, those helmets you designed look great" and the person taking the minutes just recorded it word for word and somehow it got through. This is something I'd call absurd even in 40k even though I long since gave up caring about SW in 40k, but 30k, come on.
They don't even have any norse type features on them.
The shoulder pads look okay, they've been painted with way to much contrast but I assume when painted a bit more subdued they'll look okay I hope.
Hate them. Wish they’d stop trying with this stupid wolf helmet design when the wolf skull design (a-la deathsworn) is so much better if they’re committed to a wolf head look. If it was just one for the sergeant it would be one thing but this is just a waste of an upgrade pack.
ImAGeek wrote: Hate them. Wish they’d stop trying with this stupid wolf helmet design when the wolf skull design (a-la deathsworn) is so much better if they’re committed to a wolf head look. If it was just one for the sergeant it would be one thing but this is just a waste of an upgrade pack.
I suspect the Deathsworn are why these aren’t skeletal? Keep the units distinct.
I’m more disappointed as Wolves would better fit barbarian style, unhelmeted heads.
I’ve been waiting on the SW helmet preview before deciding on a legion as they were at the top of my list for a number of reasons: lore, Russ model, rules...
But now... these are just ridiculous and over the top silly which is poor in 40k but really really doesn’t suit the aesthetic of 30k at all.
No wolves on Fenris wrote: I’ve been waiting on the SW helmet preview before deciding on a legion as they were at the top of my list for a number of reasons: lore, Russ model, rules...
But now... these are just ridiculous and over the top silly which is poor in 40k but really really doesn’t suit the aesthetic of 30k at all.
Helmets that make them look like Crow's with Downe syndrome are fine but the wolf heads are where it doesn't 'fit the aesthetic'. Sure. I buy that.
Heresy Designer - "So, I have an idea for some Space Wolf heads for the Heresy range. You know how in all of the Heresy books they adamantly refuse to answer to the name 'Space Wolves', and we have all of these books that describe them as often going bareheaded with ornate leather face coverings?"
Heresy Boss - "I'm intrigued, please continue!"
Heresy designer - "So we give them comically smiling wolf helmets!"
I think GW hates Heresy SW. I'm not sure which are worse, these or the Varagyr. Complete garbage. Good thing 3d printing exists. There are some nice bits out there for SW.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Well it's GW. They gave up on not trying to Flanderise the Woofs a long time ago.
Sure. And in 40K, where it's most certainly been dialed up to 11, I don't have a problem with it. I think it's just disappointing that they had the opportunity to do something different with them in Heresy, they went so far as to set it up extensively in the novels, and then just ignored it in favour of 'Yeah, just put wolves on them'...
It might be excusable if they were at least good wolf helmets, but the appearance of giant, cheesy grins from the front view just kills them.
Bat wings are fine, when done well. Think: Sevatar and Night Raptors. Honestly, just offering the Night Raptors heads separately would be fine, as long as they keep making the Terror Squad heads as well.
I recently read someone lamenting that SW used to be more Vikings that included wolf stuff and that now they are mostly wolf stuff with some viking bits.
Ahtman wrote: I recently read someone lamenting that SW used to be more Vikings that included wolf stuff and that now they are mostly wolf stuff with some viking bits.
In this case they completely forgot the "viking" bits.
The wolf helmet has certainly been around almost as long as the Space Wolves have themselves... in 40K. This particular version of it, however, is for Space Wovles at a time when, according to the background material, they really dislike being associated with wolves... It's the exact opposite of a 'subtle lore deep dive'.
I mean, it is what it is. If GW have chosen to take 30K SW in the same 'all wolf, all the time' direction as their 40K counterparts, then that's certainly their prerogative. It's their playground. I just think it's a disappointing choice.
Wolf helmets are one thing, but I specifically don't like this one as much as the previous ones, and even the previous ones were only really okay as a one off thing here and there (originally it was only the Captain model) makes it look like some modification an individual has made, super gluing a wolf face on to the front of their helmet.
The new ones have a distinctly more furry vibe to them, at least to my eye, and to have a pack of 10 instead, they also look more mass produced (even if it was only 1 of them, it looks like they've come off a machine rather than being some custom crafted item).
And yeah, the whole thing about 30k being a bastion from the more absurd side of the wolf stuff, GW clearly didn't get that it's one of the things people like about 30k SW over 40kSW.
Jadenim wrote: Not really a Space Wolf player, but it seems a big miss given how good the FW upgrade packs are and weird because it’s massively inconsistent.
Your avatar makes me realise one of the reasons I don't like the look of these helmets, they look more like badger heads than wolf heads.
So if anyone wanted to start their Space Badgers Legion, I guess now is your opportunity.
I do like the basic Wolf's Head Helm design when you see it side on, but I don't think the entire pack - heh - of helmets for the Wolves should have been that style, if that makes sense?
Maybe one of the groups of three, or even just as the helmeted single (possibly with the top-knot as an optional element).
Jadenim wrote: Not really a Space Wolf player, but it seems a big miss given how good the FW upgrade packs are and weird because it’s massively inconsistent.
Your avatar makes me realise one of the reasons I don't like the look of these helmets, they look more like badger heads than wolf heads.
So if anyone wanted to start their Space Badgers Legion, I guess now is your opportunity.
I frequently fail to see wolves in GW's "wolf" helmets. I think the old captain was fine, but the 5th ed badger helmet marked the end of GW's ability to make helmets that actually resemble a wolf.
I'm getting a similar feeling from these new upgrades. There's something off about them. And on a more subjective level, something about the style says third party sculpt to me. Not sure what it is exactly.
The wolf helmet has certainly been around almost as long as the Space Wolves have themselves... in 40K. This particular version of it, however, is for Space Wovles at a time when, according to the background material, they really dislike being associated with wolves... It's the exact opposite of a 'subtle lore deep dive'.
I mean, it is what it is. If GW have chosen to take 30K SW in the same 'all wolf, all the time' direction as their 40K counterparts, then that's certainly their prerogative. It's their playground. I just think it's a disappointing choice.
And Yet Leman russ had a wolf shaped helmet made for him prior to the heresy. (codex spacewolves 2nd edition- wolf helm of russ) it makes the wearer cause fear - maybe the space wolves were extra scary when the emperor made russ wear the wolf mask.
I don't think I have seen anyone argue that there have never been wolf head helmets before so the response that they have made them before doesn't really go to the issue at hand. They used to be occasional, such as a sergeants or hq types, but now they are seemingly pushing them to be on every marine. It is an issue of overuse not whether they existed in the past.
That would be a very deliberate choice on behalf of the buyer. A more sensible purchase for a guy with 50 marines in his army would be one pack of these and one pack of any other legion and it would look fine if you actually like the wolf head. I'm not overly keen on it but it's not the worst thing ever, as is (predictably) the claim of most that don't like it.
The wolf helmet has certainly been around almost as long as the Space Wolves have themselves... in 40K. This particular version of it, however, is for Space Wovles at a time when, according to the background material, they really dislike being associated with wolves... It's the exact opposite of a 'subtle lore deep dive'.
I mean, it is what it is. If GW have chosen to take 30K SW in the same 'all wolf, all the time' direction as their 40K counterparts, then that's certainly their prerogative. It's their playground. I just think it's a disappointing choice.
And Yet Leman russ had a wolf shaped helmet made for him prior to the heresy. (codex spacewolves 2nd edition- wolf helm of russ) it makes the wearer cause fear - maybe the space wolves were extra scary when the emperor made russ wear the wolf mask.
That was one of those items that was "according to legend..." and I don't believe the 2nd ed codex ever stated it for fact that Russ actually had it, but maybe it's stated somewhere else.
The Wolf Helm of Russ is carried by Ulrik the Slayer and was a wolf skull design, this is the 2nd ed Ulrik model...
I think the Space Wolf Captain was the first model to have a wolf head helmet, I think it came out in 2nd edition but I don't know what what year it came out, but it wasn't pictured in the 2nd edition codex from what I can see.
But yeah, it's not really an argument that wolf helmets haven't existed before, it's, 1) these ones look particularly bad and 2) they were previously a rare thing probably crafted by some weirdo and bolted to the front of his helmet, not an actual pattern of production helmet, 3) 30k has previously been a haven away from the wolf-surdity of 40k.
tneva82 wrote: If Ulrik wears the actual wolf helmet odds are it would not been worn by Russ. Head would not fit inside so "according to legends" is apt
Both ulrik and the captain with the wolf head were out in 1st edition, and back than primarchs weren’t stupid giants, Russ had a model and he was a normal sized marine. Good times.
Togusa wrote: I really hope the Thousand Sons pack is just ten unhelmeted heads with Thick spectacles on each one and a random book to hang on their belts.
Weren't you told to not leak anything during the planning meeting???
Togusa wrote: I really hope the Thousand Sons pack is just ten unhelmeted heads with Thick spectacles on each one and a random book to hang on their belts.
Weren't you told to not leak anything during the planning meeting???
Woops! I thought I was on my private instagram. I didn't mean to put this on my public one!
No wolves on Fenris wrote: I’ve been waiting on the SW helmet preview before deciding on a legion as they were at the top of my list for a number of reasons: lore, Russ model, rules...
But now... these are just ridiculous and over the top silly which is poor in 40k but really really doesn’t suit the aesthetic of 30k at all.
Helmets that make them look like Crow's with Downe syndrome are fine but the wolf heads are where it doesn't 'fit the aesthetic'. Sure. I buy that.
I’m not a fan of MK VI helmets either FYI. Hence why I was waiting to find out what the SW ones looked like.
Do you think Mark IV helmets pared with Mark VI bodies would pass for just plain Mark IV Marines? I've seen it done before and it looks pretty good as the two marks are very similar. Also, Mark IV still has resin weapons while Mark VI is plastic, which makes things easier for me, as well as the fact that Mark IV is currently out of stock.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I liked the part where the WolfPod doors opened and the Space Wolf said "it's Wolftime" and then he Wolfed all over them Thousand Sons
"With a wet leopard growl"....
A swing and a miss with those helmets. Why can't they have some awesome bare faces with knotwork like in the books?
No wolves on Fenris wrote: I’ve been waiting on the SW helmet preview before deciding on a legion as they were at the top of my list for a number of reasons: lore, Russ model, rules...
But now... these are just ridiculous and over the top silly which is poor in 40k but really really doesn’t suit the aesthetic of 30k at all.
Helmets that make them look like Crow's with Downe syndrome are fine but the wolf heads are where it doesn't 'fit the aesthetic'. Sure. I buy that.
I’m not a fan of MK VI helmets either FYI. Hence why I was waiting to find out what the SW ones looked like.
ArcaneHorror wrote: Do you think Mark IV helmets pared with Mark VI bodies would pass for just plain Mark IV Marines? I've seen it done before and it looks pretty good as the two marks are very similar. Also, Mark IV still has resin weapons while Mark VI is plastic, which makes things easier for me, as well as the fact that Mark IV is currently out of stock.
I've got a bunch of MkVI with MkIV heads and/or shoulders and they look fine. A nice mismatch of armour looks good in an army, especially for 30k. It's only really the knee pads that stand out as different in 4/6 (other than head/shoulders). Also, MkIV are shorter, so need to stand on a bit of 3mm cork, but other than that they are pretty indistinguishable without a proper inspection
Also, my FW resin Angels Tears have the MkVI arms and rotor cannons and they fit fine (although a bit tricky, needing blue tack and several stages of gluing)
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I liked the part where the WolfPod doors opened and the Space Wolf said "it's Wolftime" and then he Wolfed all over them Thousand Sons
"With a wet leopard growl"....
A swing and a miss with those helmets. Why can't they have some awesome bare faces with knotwork like in the books?
Why does a wet leopard growl differently than a dry one?
crumby_cataphract wrote: Yeah, HH seems to exist in a weird twilight zone right now. It's clear that they're trying to make it more accessible, but the things that really make the HH so interesting are all of the exotic and characterful vehicles and infantry units that currently only exist in resin.
For a lot of us, the combination of FW outrageous pricing and the difficulty of working with resin just makes the bar too high for entry. Plastic kits can solve all of that, and the ones that they've previewed so far look to be making a good start on that. ...but as everyone's already pointed out ... they just aren't releasing the kits!
It's so strange to me. I've already lost track of which kits are out, which have release dates, and which haven't received release dates. And then there's the problem that their online store is *constantly* out of stock. It's just exhausting, and makes the whole thing feel like more effort than its worth, for me at least.
This sums it up great. Not to mention that FW is crap with quality control, there are people using resin printers and achieving a much higher quality. People always get on about recasters, but with FW never having stuff available and the fact that recasts are the same quality if not better quality as FW atleast makes them accessible.
GW's HH releases look promising but it is almost like they put a bunch of pictures on a dart board, throw a dart, put up a picture that week. I have no clue what actual products have or have not been released or what products will be released. It makes planning an actual army build near impossible, as FW stuff is over priced and out of stock, everyone would much rather have plastic, especially tanks, there is no clue what tanks will be released or when. Even trying to get simple things like shoulder pads to complete your line troops is near impossible.
I love the idea of HH but it doesn't appeal to their normal customers who need stuff now by doing a weird drip release. And the uncertianty of the when / if something will be released or even available when it is released is rediculous.
JWBS wrote: That would be a very deliberate choice on behalf of the buyer. A more sensible purchase for a guy with 50 marines in his army would be one pack of these and one pack of any other legion and it would look fine if you actually like the wolf head. I'm not overly keen on it but it's not the worst thing ever, as is (predictably) the claim of most that don't like it.
That is true of just about anything in the hobby, as far as creators doing what they want. It doesn't change that the advertised purpose isn't 10 helmets for 10 different squads. It isn't remotely being presented as "the worst thing ever" but it isn't qn unreasonable critique that they may be overdoing it a bit.
angel of death 007 wrote: I have no clue what actual products have or have not been released or what products will be released.
For the first part, at least, something like a website which shows what products have been released for a given game? If only GW or FW had those...
And in terms of upcoming products, while a version with a timeline would be better, imagine if they had a website which showed previews of upcoming releases, as well as other articles about the games in the setting.
Whilst I think it’ll be a fair while before we see the Mastodon, the Glaive and it’s variants? Those seem fairly low hanging fruit.
Not only is Heresy somewhat more Super Heavy Friendly in terms of the size of existing player’s collections, but with a largely shared hull, they can churn out the variants without having to pay for every single sprue.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I liked the part where the WolfPod doors opened and the Space Wolf said "it's Wolftime" and then he Wolfed all over them Thousand Sons
"With a wet leopard growl"....
A swing and a miss with those helmets. Why can't they have some awesome bare faces with knotwork like in the books?
Why does a wet leopard growl differently than a dry one?
Ask Dan Abnett after reading book 15 He's the one who fell in love with that saying in the The Rout's version of the Burning of Prospero
Whilst I think it’ll be a fair while before we see the Mastodon, the Glaive and it’s variants? Those seem fairly low hanging fruit.
Not only is Heresy somewhat more Super Heavy Friendly in terms of the size of existing player’s collections, but with a largely shared hull, they can churn out the variants without having to pay for every single sprue.
uyeah the fellblade seems "low hanging fruit" so to speak
The Ground Shakes
Huge war engines approach the field in Warhammer: The Horus Heresy. Plus, accessorise your Blood Bowl teams, add to your Middle-earth collection, and more!
Sicaran Battle Tank Spartan Assault Tank Contemptor Dreadnought (plus separate weapon frames) Leviathan Siege Dreadnought (plus separate weapon frames) Cataphractii Terminator Squad (10 man) Tartaros Terminator Squad (10 man) Legion Praetors (from the box) Iron Warriors Upgrades Age of Darkness Armigers Liber Mechanicum: Forces of the Omnissiah Army Book
So only two arm pieces on the ranged sprue too but since there are holes at the weapon-arm connection maybe they actually did the same thing as the Contemptor and made them easy to magnetize?
Also separate weapon sprues for the Contemptor which is nice
RazorEdge wrote: The only remaining announced but not released Sets are now the Heavy Weapon Sets and the Land Raider Proteus?
Proteus isn't actually announced officially yet
Automatically Appended Next Post: The Armigers are probably going to be direct only since its the same kit just with different transfers thought why not release just the transfers on its own then?
But if its getting its own HH designed box it will be interesting if it will be the same design as with other releases. Since both 40k and AoS have different background images for different armies, if this gets a Mechanicum styled background it could be a sign for other plastic Mechanicum to come
And the floodgates finally open! Gimme that Liber Mechanicus. I need me some Voraxes. Wouldn't say no to another Sicaran either. The 8th Legion does like it's pack tactics, after all.
Gun leviathan in so i have pair. Hopefully i can build 3 guns without needing too fancy magnet process. Didn't even consider putting magnets to give option to magnetize claw/drill and went one of each. Hopefully i don't need to magnetize gun to arm though i worry.
Ar there any "bare" cockpits for the new dreadnoughts? Like ones without ornamentation or Eyes of Horus or things like that? I swear I've seen some models that don't have any bling, but I don't see the option on the sprues
GaroRobe wrote: Ar there any "bare" cockpits for the new dreadnoughts? Like ones without ornamentation or Eyes of Horus or things like that? I swear I've seen some models that don't have any bling, but I don't see the option on the sprues
That is quite a lot for HH, although I would have preferred the missing heavy weapons over some of the other stuff.
And of course I just ordered some more stuff, sigh.
Guess I'll see if I can afford one of each Dread and the Tartaros this month.
I wonder if GW is moving to a hybrid option of releases. Kits like Predators have 3/4 (ish) of the plastic weapon options in them. If you want the other turrets (melta, flamer, etc) you'll buy a FW turret kit.
GW does most of the plastic options with FW moving to smaller variant kits instead of complete tanks.
Still no news on assault marines...
While Mechanicum will be interesting, good luck getting a cheaper army for those guys.
I hope they come with more than a pair of the heavy weapons shown.
Unless that's going to be a separate box, lol
Shouldn't, as its just a rebox of the two units from the HH boxsets (Calth and Prospero)
One of the more annoying problems is the base units in the HH army list both start with power weapons and can buy fists, lightning claws or chainfists, but there is, IIRC, only a single powersword for the sergeant (two in these reboxes)
Its a particularly big deal for Deathwing focused DA armies, since their special bonus is only for swords.
I hope they come with more than a pair of the heavy weapons shown.
Unless that's going to be a separate box, lol
Shouldn't, as its just a rebox of the two units from the HH boxsets (Calth and Prospero)
One of the more annoying problems is the base units in the HH army list both start with power weapons and can buy fists, lightning claws or chainfists, but there is, IIRC, only a single powersword for the sergeant (two in these reboxes)
Its a particularly big deal for Deathwing focused DA armies, since their special bonus is only for swords.
Yeah, it's very odd. One power sword. 4 Powerfists and 5 chainfists for the Cataphractii, weirdly. 5 pairs of lightning claws. Tartaros have a vulkite-whatever, plasma blast gun, heavy flamer and a reaper. Cataphractii just have the heavy flamer. And Storm Bolters for everyone.
So no Thunder hammers, no combi-anything, not enough power weapons, not enough powerfists to outfit the Cataphractii, and missing 2/3 of the heavy weapons for the Cataphractii. They also have no bits for Vexilla, Vox, or Augury Scanners.
I take it that the Levi comes with one of each gun, and that's it. You'd have to get a second frame (or a second Levi!) to get double the same gun, and the other one/sprue for any close combat options.
I do hope the Contemptor Chainfist looks a little less pathetic than the FW one, although it probably is just the same in plastic.
I take it that the Levi comes with one of each gun, and that's it. You'd have to get a second frame (or a second Levi!) to get double the same gun, and the other one/sprue for any close combat options.
Yep. Explicitly:
WarCom wrote:and the ranged weapons frame is also available separately. Grab a sprue for your ranged Leviathan to double-up on guns,
Curious what the pricing will be. It'd be really weird if 2x Ranged Levi + CC frame is pricier than 1 each + ranged frame.
I'd assume the leviathan ranged will be the same price as the melee one. AT works that way. No idea on the contemptor since it is explicitly an added sprue to the starter box one.
Moopy wrote: I wonder if GW is moving to a hybrid option of releases. Kits like Predators have 3/4 (ish) of the plastic weapon options in them. If you want the other turrets (melta, flamer, etc) you'll buy a FW turret kit.
GW does most of the plastic options with FW moving to smaller variant kits instead of complete tanks.
Still no news on assault marines...
While Mechanicum will be interesting, good luck getting a cheaper army for those guys.
I doubt we will see any more news until the next Preview event, which should be sometime this month given historical preview events.
Moopy wrote: I wonder if GW is moving to a hybrid option of releases. Kits like Predators have 3/4 (ish) of the plastic weapon options in them. If you want the other turrets (melta, flamer, etc) you'll buy a FW turret kit.
GW does most of the plastic options with FW moving to smaller variant kits instead of complete tanks.
Still no news on assault marines...
While Mechanicum will be interesting, good luck getting a cheaper army for those guys.
I suspect we’ll see a second Predator kit, like the Leviathan.
Me, I’m kinda tempted by an all Volkite squadron…because CHOOM.
In HH v1, Armigers could mix and match weapons. So you could have an autocannon with the chainglaive or dual melta cannons. Wonder if they’ll keep that rule
I don't like the price of the Spartan. Obvious reasons aside, it doesn't help me get off the fence. It's expensive enough that it probably makes me feel bad about buying it, but not loony enough to instantly make spending over a hundred Euros extra on the starter box a no-brainer choice.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Surprisingly the Praetors are £19. I mean, that’s still a lot for a character model, but if memory serves compares favourably with 40K?
Surprising indeed. It's less than the cheaper Marine character clampacks were before this year's price hike.
The Heresy prices do tend to…I don’t wanna say impress as that’s not the right word. Perhaps surprise?
I mean GW being GW nobody could say they’re cheap. And value is of course so subjective when it comes to a hobby there’s no point arguing perceptions thereof.
But….perhaps reasonable is the word? Especially if we can get our toys at a discount.
I mean, a Legion Specific Chassis from FW is £42, £6 more than the plastic replete with One Of Each Weapon. And if my sums and assumptions are correct, I’ll be able to get them from Darksphere at 25% discount, which is £27.
As I said, still not cheap by anyone’s honest reckoning. But overall a pretty palatable price in GBP. Other territories will of course vary.
I’m not even terribly sure I’d be in the market for buying extra weapons, as given I’m buying multiple Contemptors, I’ll have a decent amount of weapons to magnetise.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: The Heresy prices do tend to…I don’t wanna say impress as that’s not the right word. Perhaps surprise?
I mean GW being GW nobody could say they’re cheap. And value is of course so subjective when it comes to a hobby there’s no point arguing perceptions thereof.
But….perhaps reasonable is the word? Especially if we can get our toys at a discount.
I mean, a Legion Specific Chassis from FW is £42, £6 more than the plastic replete with One Of Each Weapon. And if my sums and assumptions are correct, I’ll be able to get them from Darksphere at 25% discount, which is £27.
As I said, still not cheap by anyone’s honest reckoning. But overall a pretty palatable price in GBP. Other territories will of course vary.
I’m not even terribly sure I’d be in the market for buying extra weapons, as given I’m buying multiple Contemptors, I’ll have a decent amount of weapons to magnetise.
I'd say they're reasonable compared to FW prices, that's certainly true. My biggest issue is a lot is direct only - Terminators, for example; I assume these will be direct only, like MKIIIs and MIVs.
IMO, the cost for stuff like Leviathans seems fine because I can't imagine buying multiple Leviathans.
Even without comparing to FW prices, which always skews tnings, the Contemptor for £27 is reasonable. That it’s a fraction of the resin equivalent is just icing to me
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: The Heresy prices do tend to…I don’t wanna say impress as that’s not the right word. Perhaps surprise?
I mean GW being GW nobody could say they’re cheap. And value is of course so subjective when it comes to a hobby there’s no point arguing perceptions thereof.
But….perhaps reasonable is the word? Especially if we can get our toys at a discount.
I mean, a Legion Specific Chassis from FW is £42, £6 more than the plastic replete with One Of Each Weapon. And if my sums and assumptions are correct, I’ll be able to get them from Darksphere at 25% discount, which is £27.
As I said, still not cheap by anyone’s honest reckoning. But overall a pretty palatable price in GBP. Other territories will of course vary.
I’m not even terribly sure I’d be in the market for buying extra weapons, as given I’m buying multiple Contemptors, I’ll have a decent amount of weapons to magnetise.
Things like the Deimos pattern Rhino are a good indicator of this too. It's only a £2 saving on the 40K rhino (pre-discount) but it's still a mildly pleasant surprise to see that something directly comparable manages to be a much newer kit yet also cheaper. Some of this is down to number of sprues of course; the Deimos has less but makes far more efficient use of the space.
Particularly as the Rhino is cheap in terms of points. Again if I go to Darksphere (other online discounters are available) that £28 drops to £21….which is….staggeringly cheap for a GW kit in the modern day.
It’s also made certain builds more financially viable.
Fury of the Ancients for instance. Without breaking out me books to do a quick points rundown, let’s say the backbone you always envisaged was 10 Contemptors. 1 for HQ, 9 as Troops in squadrons of 3.
Right now? Anywhere from £270 to £360 depending on where you buy.
Previously? £420 just for the chassis. And as they’re no longer on FW, I can’t give an exact price for the arms, but I think they were £16 each? So that’s another £320 on top.
Same with the Sicaran and Leviathan. Still not cheap, but considerably more affordable.
Yes we’re yet to see anything like a majority of Heresy units come out plastic and that sweeter price point, but it’s still pretty popular stuff we’re getting
I mean, if you’re proper mental, you can now get 10 Contemptors from Darksphere and two Fellblades from FW for the same rough price you’d previously spend on the 10 Contemptors.
No. Stop looking at me like that. I’m not doing it. I’m not.
Fury of the Ancients for instance. Without breaking out me books to do a quick points rundown, let’s say the backbone you always envisaged was 10 Contemptors. 1 for HQ, 9 as Troops in squadrons of 3.
Right now? Anywhere from £270 to £360 depending on where you buy.
Previously? £420 just for the chassis. And as they’re no longer on FW, I can’t give an exact price for the arms, but I think they were £16 each? So that’s another £320 on top.
Same with the Sicaran and Leviathan. Still not cheap, but considerably more affordable.
Yes we’re yet to see anything like a majority of Heresy units come out plastic and that sweeter price point, but it’s still pretty popular stuff we’re getting
I mean, if you’re proper mental, you can now get 10 Contemptors from Darksphere and two Fellblades from FW for the same rough price you’d previously spend on the 10 Contemptors.
No. Stop looking at me like that. I’m not doing it. I’m not.
Well, I do already have a Fellblade and 7 Contemptors (2x BoC, 2x EC, 3x AoD)...hmmm
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Fury of the Ancients for instance. Without breaking out me books to do a quick points rundown, let’s say the backbone you always envisaged was 10 Contemptors. 1 for HQ, 9 as Troops in squadrons of 3.
Going OT for a sec - 7 is the magic number, as only the 2 Compulsory Troop slots get Line. There's nothing stopping you taking more, but you'll need to keep track of which ones have Line. I've been filling my list out with Castra Ferrum Dreadnoughts instead.
Those are fantastic, possibly the best ones yet and they're far from my favourite Legion aesthetically. Looks particularly good on the painted full model example with the red faceplate.
His Master's Voice wrote: Breaking up the grill for that snarling teeth look is such a simple, clever thing that I'm surprised we haven't seen it before.
Used on both Grimaldus models and probably others too.
His Master's Voice wrote: Breaking up the grill for that snarling teeth look is such a simple, clever thing that I'm surprised we haven't seen it before.
US Dollar pricing is surprisingly less than I thought esp for Sicaran.
Also one of the GW Stealth Price Decrease By Doubling Contents going on with the Terminators (orig $60 for 5, now $85 for 10) like the mk3/4 before it and Liberators etc
I don't even play 30K anymore, but I'll probably pick up a pack of the new helmets, since they're pretty much exactly what I wanted back when I built my XIIth legion.
The terminators are a tad more than I thought they be at $85, but I suppose 'GW reasonable' enough. Hopefully, I can scrounge some Cataphractii power weapon arms. Then it's just a matter of getting some Carsoran Pattern looking power axes.
I think what's going to do my $$$ in is regular power armor and weapons upgrade kits. I don't know if I can resist weapons I like (like Heavy Bolters), but don't really have a place in any army list I want to field. I'm already fighting the urge to make a Destroyer squad because I think double bolt pistols is cool.
Hey, now I'm considering getting some of those, add batwings and use them as some kind of small flying monster.
Hm, maybe paint them to look like killer tomatoes ...
From an aesthetic choice, do people here think, were you to get them, that these helmets should be given to all members of a squad, or just squad leaders, or scattered around at random or to important members of a squad?
H.B.M.C. wrote: From an aesthetic choice, do people here think, were you to get them, that these helmets should be given to all members of a squad, or just squad leaders, or scattered around at random or to important members of a squad?
These World Eaters ones in particular? I think a full squad of them for veterans, maybe just the sergeant for normal tactical marines is now I’d do it.
Dysartes wrote: ...you can tell I've not picked the army list books up for this edition, can't you?
I'm surprised to hear the Kratos isn't a SHT, though - but I think I'll be picking up a Sicaran first.
Kratos can even be squadrons of 2. Iirc Spartan isn't superheavy, but the gun tanks built on the chassis are. But the Spartan is currently a lord of war in 40k
H.B.M.C. wrote: From an aesthetic choice, do people here think, were you to get them, that these helmets should be given to all members of a squad, or just squad leaders, or scattered around at random or to important members of a squad?
Right now I have the old gladiator bunny ear helmets saved for special models. I have them on some characters and on my sergeants to make them easier to pick out. Personally I feel like that scattering the upgrade bits around works well for 30K. "Stock" looks and a certain amount of uniformity between legions makes sense for the setting, IMO.
Importantly…..did GW just acknowledge the Spehss Woof heads are bad?
Warhammer Community wrote: Then, much to the dismay of the Emperor’s Children, the improper brutes of the XII Legion and the barely leashed Sons of Russ barged ahead of the queue with comparably tawdry Legion upgrades.
That's a very nice looking model and the ornateness is totally appropriate. Strangely, my favorite terminators in HH were complete opposites... Red Butchers and the Phoenix Guard.
SamusDrake wrote:One of the best terminators I've ever seen. If its a GW plastic release then I'll be sure to add it to the monthly order.
tauist wrote:My hunch says the model has too many injection molding witness marks to be a resin model. Seems kinda low detailed too. Plastic model most probably.
There is no way this one is plastic since the other EC praetor is resin
tauist wrote: My hunch says the model has too many injection molding witness marks to be a resin model. Seems kinda low detailed too. Plastic model most probably.
It's definitely not. None of these legion-specific praetors are plastic.
tauist wrote: My hunch says the model has too many injection molding witness marks to be a resin model. Seems kinda low detailed too. Plastic model most probably.
The amount of copium being huffed around these parts is utterly insane.
tauist wrote: My hunch says the model has too many injection molding witness marks to be a resin model. Seems kinda low detailed too. Plastic model most probably.
Please stop doing this to yourselves literally every single Praetor and Specialist Games reveal.
SamusDrake wrote: One of the best terminators I've ever seen. If its a GW plastic release then I'll be sure to add it to the monthly order.
tauist wrote: My hunch says the model has too many injection molding witness marks to be a resin model. Seems kinda low detailed too. Plastic model most probably.
My God you people never learn
HOW
HOW DO YOU COME TO THIS CONCLUSION
There has not been a single God-damned legion-specific plastic release so far! SO WHY, WHY WOULD THIS PRAETOR BE ONE?
You could have a hunch it's made of bloody hand-carved wood and it'd be as valid of a """"""hunch""""" (read; baseless hopium)
Absolutely gorgeous model. I prefer it to the power armour one (which was a very good model, but doesn’t quite match how good the early EC models are in my opinion).
There has not been a single God-damned legion-specific plastic release so far! SO WHY, WHY WOULD THIS PRAETOR BE ONE?
You could have a hunch it's made of bloody hand-carved wood and it'd be as valid of a """"""hunch""""" (read; baseless hopium)
Oh do be quiet.
If you had actually read my post I didn't come to a conclusion on it being a plastic or resin release, only my opinion of the model and why I'd dip my hand in my wallet. Besides, I don't know what GW's plans are for the Horus Heresy release schedule. If you're so well informed then good for you.
There has not been a single God-damned legion-specific plastic release so far! SO WHY, WHY WOULD THIS PRAETOR BE ONE?
You could have a hunch it's made of bloody hand-carved wood and it'd be as valid of a """"""hunch""""" (read; baseless hopium)
Oh do be quiet.
If you had actually read my post I didn't come to a conclusion on it being a plastic or resin release, only my opinion of the model and why I'd dip my hand in my wallet. Besides, I don't know what GW's plans are for the Horus Heresy release schedule. If you're so well informed then good for you.
No, you be quiet for once.
I am SICK AND TIRED of the fact that everytime GW reveals a specialist model and doesn't specifically spell RESIN out in enormous red bold letters at the top of the article, a bunch of people come running and screaming nabout the fact that it totally might be plastic this time, guys, despite the fact there's literally negative evidence for the fact. They add bloody nothing to the discussion and whatever point they have is destroyed by a few seconds of thinking.
Mr_Rose wrote: It’s oddly un-detailed for a resin model. I’d expect finer/sharper edges and more undercuts.
Can't agree there, I'd say it's pretty ornate as it is; any more detail and it would look too 'busy' ( a criticism I can level at a huge amount of GW sculpts but not this one).
Too much stuff and it needs to leave my house.
