Feminists: most give me the stink eye when I bring up the previously made points around ~40 pages ago.
To recap:
-No feminist is crusading to be a part of the draft when they turn 18.
-No feminist is fighting to be allowed front line combat duty.
Melissa made a successful argument for being cool by agreeing that these should be changed. End of recap.
micahaphone wrote:
-No feminist is crusading to be a part of the draft when they turn 18.
-No feminist is fighting to be allowed front line combat duty.
Mostly on account of neither of those being basic rights. Nor are they "Buy-Ins" for rights. I'm certainly not going to fault anyone for fighting to be treated as real human beings before they fight for the privilege(?) of having their lives put danger for reasons that are often at the very best, questionable.
I think we should all be equal (women can put bullets through your heart just as well as men), I just find it funny that when the rare benefits of being a woman are brought up, it is denied/ignored.
micahaphone wrote:I think we should all be equal (women can put bullets through your heart just as well as men), I just find it funny that when the rare benefits of being a woman are brought up, it is denied/ignored.
Mostly on account of the fact that whatever small edge cases exist in our society where being female is a genuine advantage are overwhelmingly outweighed by the disadvantages of being female. It's a bit like saying someone doesn't appreciate the 50lb weight chained to their neck because of the small chance that somebody might hit their head on it while trying to pick their pocket.
I agree... Fine we'll give you rights, just stop burning your bras. You, you, and you, here's a m16, a flak jacket, and several other things, you're headed to Vietnam. Have a safe trip. Not what you wanted? You get the whole package ladies, good and bad.
While we're in the battle for the toilet, I'm putting the lid down after I'm done. Now you have to work against gravity too. Whine at it all you want, it won't care.
micahaphone wrote:For sure, your analogy is accurate. Women, in general, have it worse off. I just think that it's funny to point out the little, puny advantages.
Like that they can pull off "faking it", while men can't?
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I'm not convinced anyone has it worse off than anyone else. Stop making excuses and make a difference if it bugs you.
Right, so when a woman gets paid less than a man for doing the same job simply because she is a woman rather than a man, she obviously doesn't have it any worse off than the men do.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I'm not convinced anyone has it worse off than anyone else. Stop making excuses and make a difference if it bugs you.
Right, so when a woman gets paid less than a man for doing the same job simply because she is a woman rather than a man, she obviously doesn't have it any worse off than the men do.
Of course, right now, that's not nearly as common as it used to be - college-educated women are doing just about as well as long as they work in the same fields and the same hours as their male counterparts.
Where women get killed on pay is when they take time out for having kids.
Not really. Currently (that is, as of one and a half years ago, in a late 2009 study), women are earning on average eighty cents for every dollar men are earning.
Melissia wrote:Not really. Currently (that is, as of one and a half years ago, in a late 2009 study), women are earning on average eighty cents for every dollar men are earning.
If you correct for age and occupation, they're the same.
Melissia wrote:Not really. Currently (that is, as of one and a half years ago, in a late 2009 study), women are earning on average eighty cents for every dollar men are earning.
If you correct for age and occupation, they're the same.
I assume you have a source for that? (for my own, there's half a dozen sites in easy google search I could link to if you wanted).
Why is it that in highschool I had many a women reject me, but now that I am out and about in the real world (I.E. working) I seem to have a good 5-6 women who at least think I am "very hot", at most want to date me?
Would have been better in Highschool, where I didn't have to worry about dating and working with them
Slarg232 wrote:Why is it that in highschool I had many a women reject me, but now that I am out and about in the real world (I.E. working) I seem to have a good 5-6 women who at least think I am "very hot", at most want to date me?
Dating coworkers can work out for you, but you have to give it the extra mile as you are going to be seeing a lot of eachother.
Slarg232 wrote:Why is it that in highschool I had many a women reject me, but now that I am out and about in the real world (I.E. working) I seem to have a good 5-6 women who at least think I am "very hot", at most want to date me?
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Mayge cux you have money and no longer live with your parents? That usually makes one more attractive to the women folk.
Slarg232 wrote:Why is it that in highschool I had many a women reject me, but now that I am out and about in the real world (I.E. working) I seem to have a good 5-6 women who at least think I am "very hot", at most want to date me?
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Mayge cux you have money and no longer live with your parents? That usually makes one more attractive to the women folk.
Naye, and Naye: The Oil boom up here has apartments super expensive (It costs $700 to rent a bed in what is basically a bunker with 10 other people [at least] in the same building sharing the same utilities atm), and I owe my parents $2,000 because when we bought my car and the repairs it has needed.
Also; out of them, at least two are married, one I am unsure of, and the other is too young. Not sure about that sixth, she confuses me.
Melissia wrote:Mostly, the fact that it's Fox news. It's a bullgak conservative propaganda machine. I mean for feth sakes they're still an agenda that Obama isn't an American citizen.
I'm curious, what would you consider a reputable news source?
Melissia wrote:Mostly, the fact that it's Fox news. It's a bullgak conservative propaganda machine. I mean for feth sakes they're still an agenda that Obama isn't an American citizen.
I'm curious, what would you consider a reputable news source?
Melissia wrote:Not really. Currently (that is, as of one and a half years ago, in a late 2009 study), women are earning on average eighty cents for every dollar men are earning.
If you correct for age and occupation, they're the same.
I assume you have a source for that? (for my own, there's half a dozen sites in easy google search I could link to if you wanted).
As I've said, that 80% thing is complete and utter crap. That is an aggregate number that makes no sense.
Women receive equal pay for equal work. Every woman I've every hired was paid *exactly* the same as her male counterpart in the same position. *That* is the very definition non-discriminatory wage parity. I've hired and paid the same across age and race groups (and presumably sexual orientation). In my field, it's what you can do, not what you look like.
Now, if women choose to cluster in fields that change slowly (e.g. nursing, teaching, accounting, clerical), and those fields pay less, that's their choice to take a job which allows them to take time out to raise children and then return to the workforce.
If that woman were to choose a field that requires constant technical updates, she will be paid exactly the same as her male counterpart.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I'm not convinced anyone has it worse off than anyone else. Stop making excuses and make a difference if it bugs you.
Right, so when a woman gets paid less than a man for doing the same job simply because she is a woman rather than a man, she obviously doesn't have it any worse off than the men do.
Then raise a bigger stink. Everyone deals with injustice; fight for it if you want it to change. A good example is one of my old roommates. She kept complaining about one girl at work who would always get the days off she wanted, because nobody wanted to hear her whine or have to listen to her if she got pissed off. She said it wasn't fair, and would bitch about it repeatedly. I stopped her once and noted that at least she was getting what she wanted, and she obviously wanted it more than her or it wouldn't keep happening. The roomie thought this train of thought was stupid and ridiculous, regardless of it being 100% true. History doesn't teach us about people who complain and do nothing, it mentions the people who shake things up.
I don't get it. You're saying that a girl you knew complained about a girl she knew at work who ussually got her way at work. And you told her that she was getting what she wanted? Are you talking to the rommie or the girl at work here?
Emperors Faithful wrote:I don't get it. You're saying that a girl you knew complained about a girl she knew at work who ussually got her way at work. And you told her that she was getting what she wanted? Are you talking to the rommie or the girl at work here?
No the girl (1) was moaning that another girl (2) was getting whatever she wanted so cannerus told girl 1 that if she actually did something about it instead of moaning she could probably get what girl 2 got.
Emperors Faithful wrote:But you said that they both complained.
Girl 2 complained to the manager and got what she wanted, whereas girl 1 just complained to everyone else and refused to do anything about getting what she wanted.
Emperors Faithful wrote:But you said that they both complained.
Girl 2 complained to the manager and got what she wanted, whereas girl 1 just complained to everyone else and refused to do anything about getting what she wanted.
Melissia wrote:Not really. Currently (that is, as of one and a half years ago, in a late 2009 study), women are earning on average eighty cents for every dollar men are earning.
If you correct for age and occupation, they're the same.
I assume you have a source for that? (for my own, there's half a dozen sites in easy google search I could link to if you wanted).
I would like links that state men make more than women do providing the links are by a researcher of some type (as good of a secondary source as possible, primary would be preferred though likely impossible), show time the individual has at the company, performance reviews, prior experience outside the company, and education of the individuals. There are possibly other factors factoring in for pay as well. Leadership experience depending on the type of job, etc. Also, if its total pay in a year then any overtime or hazard pay needs to be taken into consideration.
My sociology professor regarded saying something along the lines of how much money women make, but she's an absolute moron, so I wouldn't go by that.
In most cultured countries, it is illegal for a woman to make less money than a man for the same job. It's grounds to sue. And if women aren't going to raise the issue in court, then they deserve to earn less. You don't get social change by complaining, you get it by actually moving to get something done. In a perfect world, people wouldn't discriminate between employees, but that's not always the case. If I were unjustly getting compensated less for my work then another individual for whatever reason, it should raise a serious red flag. Workplace inequality is a very serious issue, and you can't solve it by just parading a random statistic around.
It could be a reference to how men tend to take higher paying jobs. But that's a matter of the male gender being more inclined towards competition (the entire job of the male sex is to compete in order to carry on its genes, in other words, it's in our blood).
Fafnir wrote:In most cultured countries, it is illegal for a woman to make less money than a man for the same job. It's grounds to sue. And if women aren't going to raise the issue in court, then they deserve to earn less. You don't get social change by complaining, you get it by actually moving to get something done. In a perfect world, people wouldn't discriminate between employees, but that's not always the case. If I were unjustly getting compensated less for my work then another individual for whatever reason, it should raise a serious red flag. Workplace inequality is a very serious issue, and you can't solve it by just parading a random statistic around.
What are you, 19? Probably not been in employment long if at all. Whatever the injustice a lot of people are rightly cautious about rocking the boat in their workplace. Suing employers and taking them to tribunals can damage your career in a very permanent way. It can be costly or result in you being ostracised by colleagues or make it incredibly difficult to get work again. Action against your employer is not to be taken lightly, it's no wonder a lot keep their heads down.
Fafnir wrote:In most cultured countries, it is illegal for a woman to make less money than a man for the same job. It's grounds to sue. And if women aren't going to raise the issue in court, then they deserve to earn less. You don't get social change by complaining, you get it by actually moving to get something done. In a perfect world, people wouldn't discriminate between employees, but that's not always the case. If I were unjustly getting compensated less for my work then another individual for whatever reason, it should raise a serious red flag. Workplace inequality is a very serious issue, and you can't solve it by just parading a random statistic around.
What are you, 19? Probably not been in employment long if at all. Whatever the injustice a lot of people are rightly cautious about rocking the boat in their workplace. Suing employers and taking them to tribunals can damage your career in a very permanent way. It can be costly or result in you being ostracised by colleagues or make it incredibly difficult to get work again. Action against your employer is not to be taken lightly, it's no wonder a lot keep their heads down.
I know how that is, but that also means as people they still "don't want it enough." If it's important enough to accomplish, you'll risk lots; if it's less important than other things, you won't risk anything. Neither is more right than the other, it's just a value judgment.
Fafnir wrote:In most cultured countries, it is illegal for a woman to make less money than a man for the same job. It's grounds to sue. And if women aren't going to raise the issue in court, then they deserve to earn less. You don't get social change by complaining, you get it by actually moving to get something done. In a perfect world, people wouldn't discriminate between employees, but that's not always the case. If I were unjustly getting compensated less for my work then another individual for whatever reason, it should raise a serious red flag. Workplace inequality is a very serious issue, and you can't solve it by just parading a random statistic around.
What are you, 19? Probably not been in employment long if at all. Whatever the injustice a lot of people are rightly cautious about rocking the boat in their workplace. Suing employers and taking them to tribunals can damage your career in a very permanent way. It can be costly or result in you being ostracised by colleagues or make it incredibly difficult to get work again. Action against your employer is not to be taken lightly, it's no wonder a lot keep their heads down.
Awwwww, you read my profile.
Yes, I am aware that it will cause you to have to give things up. You may end up having to lose your job. But sometimes, you have to give up a lot to get something changed. Cannerus sums it up perfectly.
Yes, it's pretty scary when you have to take care of a family and you have your job opressing you and you might end up losing it if you fight back, but if you don't do it, who will?
Bringing your boss to a tribunal is a sure way of ending your career path in that workplace. Sure you can try again at another job, but this is exactly why Howard is right. People will rather keep their heads down than lose their job or make working there impossible.
Now, if you work at a Supermarket or some area where you have plenty of alternative jobs then sure, you can do this. But the same can't be said for many jobs that you're looking to make a career out of.
But nothing ever tends to change until people are willing to lose things to change them. That's society for you.
What does a woman gain in said situation?
I have learned over the years that when one's mind is made up, this diminishes fear; knowing what must be done does away with fear. -Rosa Parks
What did she have to gain? Discrimination and the fight against it are just as much the discriminatees problem as anyone else's.
Option A) Keep your head down, deal with not getting promoted fairly and you'll likely get it in a couple of years anyway.
Option B) Make an issue of it, bring it up as a formal complaint or even a tribunal. At best you get the promotion/fair pay, but endure a deep sense of mistrust from both your boss and co-workers. At worst you fail and either get thrown out or never get a promotion at all in a hostile workplace.
You should be able to see why this is a problem.
Asherian Command wrote:
Emperors Faithful wrote:
Fafnir wrote:I never said it was a good thing.
But nothing ever tends to change until people are willing to lose things to change them. That's society for you.
But nothing ever tends to change until people are willing to lose things to change them. That's society for you.
What does a woman gain in said situation?
I have learned over the years that when one's mind is made up, this diminishes fear; knowing what must be done does away with fear. -Rosa Parks
What did she have to gain? Discrimination and the fight against it are just as much the discriminatees problem as anyone else's.
Option A) Keep your head down, deal with not getting promoted fairly and you'll likely get it in a couple of years anyway.
Option B) Make an issue of it, bring it up as a formal complaint or even a tribunal. At best you get the promotion/fair pay, but endure a deep sense of mistrust from both your boss and co-workers. At worst you fail and either get thrown out or never get a promotion at all in a hostile workplace.
You should be able to see why this is a problem.
Asherian Command wrote:
Emperors Faithful wrote:
Fafnir wrote:I never said it was a good thing.
But nothing ever tends to change until people are willing to lose things to change them. That's society for you.
What does a woman gain in said situation?
tearing your heart out?
What?
Usually a girl at the end of the realtionship sometimes likes feeling like they had just torn someones heart out in a way. Happened to one of my friends. Poor lad.
But nothing ever tends to change until people are willing to lose things to change them. That's society for you.
What does a woman gain in said situation?
I have learned over the years that when one's mind is made up, this diminishes fear; knowing what must be done does away with fear. -Rosa Parks
What did she have to gain? Discrimination and the fight against it are just as much the discriminatees problem as anyone else's.
Option A) Keep your head down, deal with not getting promoted fairly and you'll likely get it in a couple of years anyway.
Option B) Make an issue of it, bring it up as a formal complaint or even a tribunal. At best you get the promotion/fair pay, but endure a deep sense of mistrust from both your boss and co-workers. At worst you fail and either get thrown out or never get a promotion at all in a hostile workplace.
You should be able to see why this is a problem.
There's no doubt that it's a problem, but who's going to care to listen if no one's going to actually do anything about it? Nobody will care unless someone actually makes a big deal about it. And so far, the exact opposite is happening.
I didn't even mention a relationship. If you were following track of the conversation at all, it's kind of drifted off into Workplace inequality.
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Fafnir wrote:
There's no doubt that it's a problem, but who's going to care to listen if no one's going to actually do anything about it? Nobody will care unless someone actually makes a big deal about it. And so far, the exact opposite is happening.
Making a deal out of it often doesn't get a women in this situation anywhere, that's the problem.
Emperors Faithful wrote:
Making a deal out of it often doesn't get a women in this situation anywhere, that's the problem.
Then they should have made a bigger stink, or been more effectual. I never said I couldn't see the problem, I was just saying that if someone who has a family/career to risk doesn't do anything, and someone else with the same situation does neither is the better or worse for it, but one has a reason to expect change while the other doesn't. One wants it more and is more willing to risk to get it.
Actually, one has reason to expect change sooner or later (probably later) if they work hard and prove themselves to be dedicated to the job (more so than a man probably would have to). The other has reason to expect rapid change, but then endure a hostile enviroment for the rest of their career and even less chance of a further advancement.
Melissia wrote:Change also happens without individual action.
Individual action is the only kind of action.
A group is nothing more than a collection of individuals who influence each other and ultimately are influenced by their pasts and present situation which in turn is influenced solely by past events.
Call me a loon but I firmly believe there is nothing more than cause and effect.
Okay. But how does this relate to singular cases of workplace discrimination? Given that a single individual in this case actually has very little power to change things, and it the only the courts that can force the change, which then creates the hostile enviroment.
Melissia wrote:Change also happens without individual action.
Individual action is the only kind of action.
A group is nothing more than a collection of individuals who influence each other and ultimately are influenced by their pasts and present situation which in turn is influenced solely by past events.
Call me a loon but I firmly believe there is nothing more than cause and effect.
Bingo.
And what the hell did I say that made me want to seem edgy and cool? I'm being honest here. If someone really wants something, they'll try to attain it. If other stuff gets in the way of them trying to attain it, then the other stuff is more important to them. History is full of people who went against the grain and failed and other people who managed to change the direction of the grain. To say that either one is obligatory is pretty much wrong. Stupid law suits get through sometimes, why shouldn't legit ones too?
Edit: It relates in that an individual can gather other individuals of like mind. It still takes that individual finding other individuals. Or maybe that person making a big display on their own. I don't see why that should be limiting.
Melissia wrote:Change also happens without individual action.
Individual action is the only kind of action.
A group is nothing more than a collection of individuals who influence each other and ultimately are influenced by their pasts and present situation which in turn is influenced solely by past events.
Call me a loon but I firmly believe there is nothing more than cause and effect.
... the problem with that viewpoint is that there are billions of causes and trillions of effects at any given instant. Life has a lot of random chance to it because it is a giant mess of causes and effects, most of them completely and utterly outside of your control.
1) Both employees want to get a promotion/pay raise, but are having more trouble than normal due to their gender. One way of getting it is to continue to work had and prove thier dedication, more than if required of from someone of the opposite gender, and they should eventually get that promotion/pay raise. The alternative is to keep up a fuss. They both want the promotion/raise, it's just the alternative has serious consequences that even if you secure a raise you have wrecked your career outlook.
2) You fail to see that even if the law suit is sucessfull, that pretty much gaurentees that the employee won't be welcome at that workplace, and either fired for the smallest excuse or kept in a mindnumbing area of work regardless of their level of competency or dedication.
Stop repeating the same things. I'm saying, if someone cared more about "justice" or "the cause" or whatever they want to call it, they'd be willing to risk it if it helped to end or at least lessen the impact across the board. Why does someone have to stay in that career path? If we're speaking in terms of fictional characters, why don't they have super powers too? Tell me you at least see what I'm saying? I've made no statements about it being practical or otherwise.
Melissia wrote:Change also happens without individual action.
Individual action is the only kind of action.
A group is nothing more than a collection of individuals who influence each other and ultimately are influenced by their pasts and present situation which in turn is influenced solely by past events.
Call me a loon but I firmly believe there is nothing more than cause and effect.
... the problem with that viewpoint is that there are billions of causes and trillions of effects at any given instant. Life has a lot of random chance to it because it is a giant mess of causes and effects, most of them completely and utterly outside of your control.
Also kitty, stop trying to eat my hand.
My kitten minions will gnaw your hand until it is mildly sore!
But seriously there is no such thing as random, just the culmination of causes we didn't know about. See the uncertainty principle and chaos theory for more.
Melissia wrote:Change also happens without individual action.
Individual action is the only kind of action.
A group is nothing more than a collection of individuals who influence each other and ultimately are influenced by their pasts and present situation which in turn is influenced solely by past events.
Call me a loon but I firmly believe there is nothing more than cause and effect.
... the problem with that viewpoint is that there are billions of causes and trillions of effects at any given instant. Life has a lot of random chance to it because it is a giant mess of causes and effects, most of them completely and utterly outside of your control.
Also kitty, stop trying to eat my hand.
My kitten minions will gnaw your hand until it is mildly sore!
But seriously there is no such thing as random, just the culmination of causes we didn't know about. See the uncertainty principle and chaos theory for more.
Technically speaking, I should have said "chaotic" as that is the term used in Chaos Theory (not random), but still, the point stands-- our knowledge of reality is so vastly limited that it is effectively random even if it is not literally so.
As for kitty, he's not your minion. He just is asking me to fill his bowl with catfood. I did so and he left me alone so he could eat.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Why does someone have to stay in that career path?
Because we humans are not perfect beings, we have our own selfish desires as well. The idea of probably being jobless, in debt, and despised by the business community where you spent so much of your life thus far for the next fifty years of your life is not a pleasant one.
I agree with you on that point but if you retrace our steps back to the original line of discussion while remembering what we just agreed then the only two logical solutions to any problem are to accept you can do nothing or to take action, the latter is the sole cause of any and all reactions and thus is the fundamental root of change.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Why does someone have to stay in that career path?
What if you were in the Police force, experiencing this discrimination, and you have never wanted to be anything other than a Police Officer? And there are plenty of careers that would be similar to this.
If we're speaking in terms of fictional characters, why don't they have super powers too?
I was speaking in terms of hypothetical situations, not characters. And even if I was this reply is childish.
Tell me you at least see what I'm saying? I've made no statements about it being practical or otherwise.
I get what you're saying, I just disagree with you.
corpsesarefun wrote:I agree with you on that point but if you retrace our steps back to the original line of discussion while remembering what we just agreed then the only two logical solutions to any problem are to accept you can do nothing or to take action, the latter is the sole cause of any and all reactions and thus is the fundamental root of change.
Just remember that taking action does not necessarily mean any positive change. In fact, it could just ruin you ability to have a job in that particular field for the rest of your life while accomplishing nothing.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Because that's the guaranteed outcome. Because there's no way it could turn out otherwise.
That is the probable outcome.
The idea of calculated risk is that you, you know, calculate the level of risk.
It is only probable because you cannot know all of the factors.
Melissia wrote:
corpsesarefun wrote:I agree with you on that point but if you retrace our steps back to the original line of discussion while remembering what we just agreed then the only two logical solutions to any problem are to accept you can do nothing or to take action, the latter is the sole cause of any and all reactions and thus is the fundamental root of change.
Just remember that taking action does not necessarily mean any positive change. In fact, it could just ruin you ability to have a job in that particular field for the rest of your life while accomplishing nothing.
Again positive change to one man is negative to another, change is change and men will do with it as they will.
corpsesarefun wrote:I agree with you on that point but if you retrace our steps back to the original line of discussion while remembering what we just agreed then the only two logical solutions to any problem are to accept you can do nothing or to take action, the latter is the sole cause of any and all reactions and thus is the fundamental root of change.
Just remember that taking action does not necessarily mean any positive change. In fact, it could just ruin you ability to have a job in that particular field for the rest of your life while accomplishing nothing.
It doesn't mean negative change either.
I'm seeing a whole lot of middle class mindset here, and let's be honest, that's not exactly realistic either. Not everyone who "works hard" makes it. You'll never be better off than your employer with that mindset, and if that's what makes you happy, awesome, but many people seem to expect that by being someone else's underling they'll eventually get ahead.
corpsesarefun wrote:It is only probable because you cannot know all of the factors.
corpsesarefun wrote:Again positive change to one man is negative to another, change is change and men will do with it as they will.
What a load of sophism.
"Rocking the boat" so to speak could very well simply get you fired and set back any progress you had made with whatever your issue is (in this case, gender bias in wages). An entirely negative effect from the perspective of someone who feels strongly with the issue, and a long term negative effect on the company as a whole due to reinforced sexist policies alienating potentially valuable employees.
I mean feth, a woman who rocks the boat on a woman's issue is almost inevitably called a radical feminazi, a bitch, and so on and so forth, and is bashed and hated on by the males. Ideals are one thing, but you also need to take reality into consideration as well, because you have to live with the aftermath of your decisions.
corpsesarefun wrote:It is only probable because you cannot know all of the factors.
corpsesarefun wrote:Again positive change to one man is negative to another, change is change and men will do with it as they will.
What a load of sophism.
"Rocking the boat" so to speak could very well simply get you fired and set back any progress you had made with whatever your issue is (in this case, gender bias in wages). An entirely negative effect from the perspective of someone who feels strongly with the issue, and a long term negative effect on the company as a whole due to reinforced sexist policies alienating potentially valuable employees.
Risks by their very nature may "fail" (a term I use loosely, perhaps being fired from one job leads you to a better job) but if nobody took any risks for this reason then society would cease to exist as we know it and we would all turn into borg.
Melissia wrote:
I mean feth, a woman who rocks the boat on a woman's issue is almost inevitably called a radical feminazi, a bitch, and so on and so forth, and is bashed and hated on by the males. Ideals are one thing, but you also need to take reality into consideration as well, because you have to live with the aftermath of your decisions.
Eh, hyperbole much. We've come a long way.
Emperors Faithful wrote:Okay, okay.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Why does someone have to stay in that career path?
What if you were in the Police force, experiencing this discrimination, and you have never wanted to be anything other than a Police Officer? And there are plenty of careers that would be similar to this.
What if I was creating a set of circumstances that made my argument sound correct and yours implausible? That's like trying to use an Ayn Rand story as anecdote
Melissia wrote:"Rocking the boat" so to speak could very well simply get you fired and set back any progress you had made with whatever your issue is (in this case, gender bias in wages). An entirely negative effect from the perspective of someone who feels strongly with the issue, and a long term negative effect on the company as a whole due to reinforced sexist policies alienating potentially valuable employees.
Melissia wrote:"Rocking the boat" so to speak could very well simply get you fired and set back any progress you had made with whatever your issue is (in this case, gender bias in wages). An entirely negative effect from the perspective of someone who feels strongly with the issue, and a long term negative effect on the company as a whole due to reinforced sexist policies alienating potentially valuable employees.
My point exactly.
And my point is that it could also not. Both options exist.
It really isn't that complicated when it comes down to it.
If you value the potential (if unlikely) social changes brought by your risk being pulled off more than you value your job then its highly likely you will attempt the lawsuit, if not its more likely you don't.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Eh, hyperbole much. We've come a long way.
... speaking from experience as a woman who tries to push women's issues... no, it's not exactly hyperbole.
Going anecdotal here, I've had just as many female higher ups as males. I've seen women get promoted when I thought men should and the other way. I believe in modern America victim mindsets cause much more damage than outright discrimination.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Why does someone have to stay in that career path?
What if you were in the Police force, experiencing this discrimination, and you have never wanted to be anything other than a Police Officer? And there are plenty of careers that would be similar to this.
What if I was creating a set of circumstances that made my argument sound correct and yours implausible? That's like trying to use an Ayn Rand story as anecdote
You're the one who suggested just leaving that career path in the first place. I've just pointed out it isn't that simple, especially if you are trying to make a career, not a job, out of it.
I'd hazard a guess that you work in an area where there are plenty of other similar opportunities, like a bartender or Supermarket employee, or that you are low on the career rung-ladder if you are in fact in one.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Going anecdotal here, I've had just as many female higher ups as males. I've seen women get promoted when I thought men should and the other way. I believe in modern America victim mindsets cause much more damage than outright discrimination.
Meanwhile I regularly get called a feminist bitch for arguing for such things as female avatars in video games, equal pay for equal work, equal rights and responsibilities in the military, and so on.
Hell, I got called one just because I expected to be able to play a 40k game with a random person in a games workshop store, because apparently 40k is a boys only club.
Melissia wrote:You really don't understand the dilemma then, if you think that's simple.
What more is there to it?
You get fired or you don't.
You do the lawsuit or you don't.
You put up with second rate treatment or you don't.
Also, I have no problems with your views on equality and while you are a feminist you are not a raging-piss-standing-up-hate-all-men feminist who in my eyes are no better than the sexist pricks who think women belong in the kitchen.
I simply asked why someone had to stay in it after you inferred that careers bind someone and they can never change. I was merely suggesting there were other options. I do work in an area with similar opportunities but I don't see the bearing here (barring some perceived superiority). By me admitting that options exist, never commenting on if they are practical or not, it marks me somehow?
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Going anecdotal here, I've had just as many female higher ups as males. I've seen women get promoted when I thought men should and the other way. I believe in modern America victim mindsets cause much more damage than outright discrimination.
Meanwhile I regularly get called a feminist bitch for arguing for such things as female avatars in video games, equal pay for equal work, equal rights and responsibilities in the military, and so on.
Hell, I got called one just because I expected to be able to play a 40k game with a random person in a games workshop store, because apparently 40k is a boys only club.
I would think you get called one because you can be really abrasive, and, at times, bitch-like in approach. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to insult you, just pointing out that your style of dealing with things is unnecessarily harsh sometimes. You've even admitted it on a few occasions If that's you, more power to you, but don't expect different results regardless of how reasonable your complaint is.
A lot more. Or have you never actually held a real job before? I don't mean some cheap minimum wage gig (or something close to it) where you're easily replaceable and noone gives a feth about you because you're just one of thousands in the area that could be replaced, and you can easily find another job elsewhere. Go through six years of college and get a full degree and get a job connected to it.
So you don't get fired... but you're discriminated against even more because the company doesn't like you for rocking the boat. So now you can't advance, you can't get raises, the atmosphere is incredibly stressful and unfriendly, and your life sucks. And all for what? You didn't get any benefit from it. You just got screwed over by the system. And you can't find any work elsewhere in your field because other companies know about your rocking the boat and they sure as hell don't want you working for THEM. So now you're basically stuck in an office hell. Or you get fired... and you can't find another job because you rocked the boat and companies don't like that. So now you're jobless, with the debts of life (student loans being a big one nowadays, what with how necessary degrees are to actually get a good job), and all of your college years are worthless.
These scenarios aren't unlikely, in fact, they're infamous for their likelihood. It is not simple because you must live with the consequences of your decision, which can ruin the rest of your life. After imagining even a decade of suffering from the fallout of such a decision, it's hard to imagine not regretting it at least a little, no matter how much conviction you have.
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Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I simply asked why someone had to stay in it after you inferred that careers bind someone and they can never change.
You can change your career, but it's expensive and time consuming when any job that doesn't suck involves either a high level of expense, risk and stress (owning your own company) or completely redoing your education (which is expensive and stressful).
Making such a decision is not easy.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I'm not saying it's bad to take risk, I'm saying you're making it look easy and simple when it is not.
I know how this is going to make me look, but there are rich people who didn't go to college. There's more than one way to make it and I know we're talking about someone already established in a career, but the career isn't the ultimate form of life for everyone. Some people are perfectly happy with or without. I'd still argue that it really is that simple. Just because other options have risk of failure and someone is scared of them doesn't mean they fail for everyone or there aren't ways to reduce that risk.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I simply asked why someone had to stay in it after you inferred that careers bind someone and they can never change. I was merely suggesting there were other options. I do work in an area with similar opportunities but I don't see the bearing here (barring some perceived superiority). By me admitting that options exist, never commenting on if they are practical or not, it marks me somehow?
Of course they could change their career, there isn't anything that binds you to a particular career path. But in many cases, people have wanted this career their entire lives, or are at least dedicated to it from a certain point (especially in the Police/Fire Brigade/Armed Services). Often moving out of a career is the least desirable option, and there are a hundred others that are equally useless in terms of this discussion.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Why does someone have to stay in that career path?
What if you were in the Police force, experiencing this discrimination, and you have never wanted to be anything other than a Police Officer? And there are plenty of careers that would be similar to this.
Then one way or another, you must make a sacrifice.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:
I know how that is, but that also means as people they still "don't want it enough." If it's important enough to accomplish, you'll risk lots; if it's less important than other things, you won't risk anything. Neither is more right than the other, it's just a value judgment.
Emperors Faithful wrote:Better than saying it's their fault becuase they didn't "want it" enough.
...does not equal:
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:
I know how that is, but that also means as people they still "don't want it enough." If it's important enough to accomplish, you'll risk lots; if it's less important than other things, you won't risk anything. Neither is more right than the other, it's just a value judgment.
I never said it was their fault, that they were the cause. I just said the risk wasn't worth it to them. I never even said that they would be successful either, only that they could be.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:[...] only that they could be.
Yeah and technically I could possibly potentially if the Christian god's divine will shined upon me maybe be the president when I reach the proper age for it, too.
It's also possible for Glenn Beck to not be a total gak-fether.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:[...] only that they could be.
Yeah and technically I could possibly potentially if the Christian god's divine will shined upon me maybe be the president when I reach the proper age for it, too.
Well, there is no certainty. And it could happen if unseen circumstances culminated and...
It's also possible for Glenn Beck to not be a total gak-fether.
Admit? I never denied it in the first place. But it being such a small chance means that it is an unnecessary risk. Kinda like wearing a KKK robe and hood and going to a black panther rally.
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Slarg232 wrote:CHANGE FOR THE CHANGE GOD!....
.... sorry.
It best damn be pre-rolled!
NO! COUNT YOUR COINS AND REPENT! REPENT i SAY!
Anyway, I actually wanted to hit a guy at work today. I work with this lady, and I will be the first to say it, she has a mighty fine butt. But I work with her every day, so I don't really think about it. Well, along comes this guy (as part of a group) who is taking inventory for us with fancy smancy tools, and I ask her for some help on something that neither me nore him could figure out, and she helps us, and as she is walking away, this dude says "Oh man, she has a mighty fine ass, don't you agree?" When I grunted a reply, he just kind of looked at me incrediously. I mean, I work with her, and she's also kind of married.....
(Edit: Keels Chowderhead so hard he dies from it, hides the body in the dumpster)
Women get equal rights in military forces... well in Australia anyway - they just can't be selected for special forces as the male body is more eligible for the job.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Going anecdotal here, I've had just as many female higher ups as males.
Hmm... If I tally it up, I get: 2 white females 2 white males 1 asian female 1 black male
For me, it's a 50/50 split, with pretty decent racial diversity, to boot. In terms of competence, overall, the women were no more or less competent than the men, tho skill sets, etc. varied. ____
@chowderhead: holy crap, dude. I'm OK with a little cushion for the pushin', but this ain't the thread for it.
Chowder, why the immature pictures of scantily clad morbidly obese women? If you want to troll people with surprising and off-topic pictures, go to 4chan and leave us alone.
micahaphone wrote:Chowder, why the immature pictures of scantily clad morbidly obese women? If you want to troll people with surprising and off-topic pictures, go to 4chan and leave us alone.
Fine.
I do it because it's 2AM and there is nothing to do. From now on, no Fat chicks. Unless the situation presents itself to me. Then, I shall consult with an advisor.
Anyway, I don't understand why women are repulsed by knuckle cracking.
Murray wrote:Women get equal rights in military forces... well in Australia anyway - they just can't be selected for special forces as the male body is more eligible for the job.
Actually, they're not allowed in any combat roles (though are still trained in weaponry), the main arguement being that again the male body is more eligible for the role. Though if I had to pick between giving a gun to an average guy and this chick, I'd go with her.
Melissia wrote:I'm not saying it's bad to take risk, I'm saying you're making it look easy and simple when it is not.
This is exactly the problem with many posts here. Most of those talking about "making a stand" aren't even 20, they've not got careers, hell they probably haven't even got jobs. It's ridiculous to hear their 'advice' on life which amounts to some sort of idealised fight for the greater good. Wait a good 5-10 years when they have a mortgage and a family and have an established career. Ask them then if they want to become a martyr for the cause and do something that carries a high probability of ending that career, ruining relations within that workplace or industry and costing them their job which is what is keeping a roof over their head and their family fed. Even if you 'win' against your employer you lose.
It's like people who whistleblow on the practices of some organisation. You know what happens to these people? They become heroes right? Wrong. Frequently they lose their jobs and never get employment in the same industry, they have to start over which is nigh impossible if you're middle-aged. It can financially ruin them and cost them their homes, and the stress and legal wrangles breaks up families, then they end up on meds for depression.
It's not about not wanting something bad enough, it's about not wanting to lose everything. Very little is placed before more than home and family. That's why people don't just walk out of boring god-awful jobs onto the dole queue, that's why even in bad jobs they keep their heads down instead of sticking their neck out to become a martyr. But maybe if your only job has been flipping burgers for 3 months you don't get that.
Melissia wrote:I'm not saying it's bad to take risk, I'm saying you're making it look easy and simple when it is not.
That's exactly the situation. Most of those talking about "making a stand" aren't even 20, they've not got careers, hell they probably haven't even got jobs. It's ridiculous to hear their 'advice' on life which amounts to some sort of idealised fight for the greater good. Wait a good 5-10 years when they have a mortgage and a family and have an established career. Ask them then if they want to become a martyr for the cause and do something that carries a high probability of ending that career, ruining relations within that workplace or industry and costing them their job which is what is keeping a roof over their head and their family fed. Even if you 'win' against your employer you lose. It's not about not wanting something bad enough, it's about not wanting to lose everything.
It's like people who whistleblow on the practices of some organisation. You know what happens to these people? They become heroes right? Wrong. Frequently they lose their jobs and never get employment in the same industry, they have to start over which is nigh impossible if you're middle-aged. It can financially ruin them and cost them their homes, and the stress and legal wrangles breaks up families, then they end up on meds for depression.
I'm not saying that it ends well, all I'm saying is that people have to take stands for better or worse if they want anything to change.
Melissia wrote:I'm not saying it's bad to take risk, I'm saying you're making it look easy and simple when it is not.
That's exactly the situation. Most of those talking about "making a stand" aren't even 20, they've not got careers, hell they probably haven't even got jobs. It's ridiculous to hear their 'advice' on life which amounts to some sort of idealised fight for the greater good. Wait a good 5-10 years when they have a mortgage and a family and have an established career. Ask them then if they want to become a martyr for the cause and do something that carries a high probability of ending that career, ruining relations within that workplace or industry and costing them their job which is what is keeping a roof over their head and their family fed. Even if you 'win' against your employer you lose. It's not about not wanting something bad enough, it's about not wanting to lose everything.
It's like people who whistleblow on the practices of some organisation. You know what happens to these people? They become heroes right? Wrong. Frequently they lose their jobs and never get employment in the same industry, they have to start over which is nigh impossible if you're middle-aged. It can financially ruin them and cost them their homes, and the stress and legal wrangles breaks up families, then they end up on meds for depression.
I'm not saying that it ends well, all I'm saying is that people have to take stands for better or worse if they want anything to change.
Quoted for emphasis. You don't need to be Ceasar to understand Ceasar.
There are risks involved, and there's a large chance that you could lose a lot. I'm not saying it's always the right choice--I got paid less when I was working at an oil company over the summer because of my major (I'm a fine arts major in new media), even though the work I did was just as good as those with different degrees, and I worked for two departments as opposed to one. However I am aware of my position in the company (as much as everyone there loved me, being a summer intern meant I could be thrown out easily) and thus have no business in complaining, because I will need the money after I graduate. I will end up returning this summer to the same job for the same pay, and once again, I'm incredibly thankful for the job and won't be complaining (it really is a good job).
I've made the decision that it's not worth my future well-being for the sake of a few extra dollars. Because of that, I'm in no position to complain about it.
Similar situation to fafnir, I was working in an office in Aylesbury during the summer on around 10 pounds an hour with standard 9 to 5 hours. There were plenty of chances of progression if I had accepted the offer of staying on with the company instead of going to college however I chose college because I am hoping it will reward me with higher paid and more enjoyable work in the long run.
I would think double standards, how they treat different people way differently (that counted?).
Sometimes thier inability to understand something obviously simple, such as how to use the remote control to switch to a channel they do not watch often.
Conservationist wrote:Sometimes thier inability to understand something obviously simple, such as how to use the remote control to switch to a channel they do not watch often.
Exactly. I can watch like 5 shows and 2 movies all at once if I've got the clicker in hand...
Melissia wrote:I'm not saying it's bad to take risk, I'm saying you're making it look easy and simple when it is not.
This is exactly the problem with many posts here. Most of those talking about "making a stand" aren't even 20, they've not got careers, hell they probably haven't even got jobs. It's ridiculous to hear their 'advice' on life which amounts to some sort of idealised fight for the greater good. Wait a good 5-10 years when they have a mortgage and a family and have an established career. Ask them then if they want to become a martyr for the cause and do something that carries a high probability of ending that career, ruining relations within that workplace or industry and costing them their job which is what is keeping a roof over their head and their family fed. Even if you 'win' against your employer you lose.
It's like people who whistleblow on the practices of some organisation. You know what happens to these people? They become heroes right? Wrong. Frequently they lose their jobs and never get employment in the same industry, they have to start over which is nigh impossible if you're middle-aged. It can financially ruin them and cost them their homes, and the stress and legal wrangles breaks up families, then they end up on meds for depression.
It's not about not wanting something bad enough, it's about not wanting to lose everything. Very little is placed before more than home and family. That's why people don't just walk out of boring god-awful jobs onto the dole queue, that's why even in bad jobs they keep their heads down instead of sticking their neck out to become a martyr. But maybe if your only job has been flipping burgers for 3 months you don't get that.
Again, if the risk is worth it to you, you'll take it. If it isn't, you won't. You may or may not be successful. Thanks for stating the same thing other people have been while using the same attacks on credibility. I also like the auto-assumption that everyone has or wants a family.
micahaphone wrote:Chowder, why the immature pictures of scantily clad morbidly obese women? If you want to troll people with surprising and off-topic pictures, go to 4chan and leave us alone.
Fine.
I do it because it's 2AM and there is nothing to do. From now on, no Fat chicks. Unless the situation presents itself to me. Then, I shall consult with an advisor.
Anyway, I don't understand why women are repulsed by knuckle cracking.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I also like the auto-assumption that everyone has or wants a family.
The majority of people do have some sort of family, whether it's married with kids or living with blood relatives or whatever else kind of weirdness people get themselves into. You're a little bit too high strung about this sort of thing, bro.
I was referring more to the mindset of "I go to college, have a straight relationship with kids and have a career" being considered something automatic.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I was referring more to the mindset of "I go to college, have a straight relationship with kids and have a career" being considered something automatic.
If that's aimed at me you're very wide of the mark of the sort of person I am or what expectation I have of others.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote: I was referring more to the mindset of "I go to college, have a straight relationship with kids and have a career" being considered something automatic.
Well, while of course there are exceptions and other ways of living life, what you mentioned could be considered something of a norm, minus the college maybe. If I might cite the German Federal Institute for Statistics: At the age of 32, only roughly 20% to 30% of women are not married yet, with decreasing unmarried women at increasing age. Assuming that the majority of those marriages is heterosexual, you need an equivalent number of males for this statistic of 70 to 80 of 100 women to be married at that age to come true, which, as an end result, somehow shows that the aforementioned path in life is at least not a bad first guess.
I really don't think we're fully able to understand each other. Basically, we just got different sets of clockworks in our heads.
The differences, the sexes between, however, lays up to showing interest in eachother in attempt in doing so.
OTOH, stating things like "she's just acting that way because she's a woman" is generalising women, and is in my book lack of respect for the opposite sex.
There is, however, a list of things i don't understand about the opposite sex; women. But that being a fact doesn't change one other fact; trying to understand them/you.
Finally, being a man just makes it easier to understand other men, and you're much, much easier off with finishing a sentence with "you know what i mean" when trying to explain certain things to another man, than trying to explain it to a woman.
- But the point is, as first stated; We SIMPLY work differently on the mental state, but you still need to show respect, rather than just claiming that "she's just a woman".
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I was referring more to the mindset of "I go to college, have a straight relationship with kids and have a career" being considered something automatic.
If that's aimed at me you're very wide of the mark of the sort of person I am or what expectation I have of others.
I don't aim. I state exactly what I mean and I'm not passive-aggressive. It really was just a general statement.
@bill: I agree to the point that there actually are differences between the sexes. Some people (again, no one in particular) seem so opposed to men and women being different that if you claimed their were physiologically different they'd still try to argue
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:@bill: I agree to the point that there actually are differences between the sexes. Some people (again, no one in particular) seem so opposed to men and women being different that if you claimed their were physiologically different they'd still try to argue
Yup - pretty much... I just try not to bow to the "power of dividing" - not saying it's easy. What i often experience tends to confuse, however, is a whole different matter: personality. Women are as different to one another, as men are as different to one another.
- One are free to make up their own opinion. I can't change that. But it doesn't mean i agree, just from being of the same sex. If that makes people feel my statement are biased towards women, so be it. That is, yet again, their own free will.
If you're referring to me, I never claimed men and women weren't different, just that neither gender is as different from the other as society tries to emphasize-- societal norms dramatically increase the difference in physical capability of men and women, for example. There is a larger difference between the average first world female and the average first world male, than there is between a physically fit female and a physically fit male.
If you're referring to me, I never claimed men and women weren't different, just that neither gender is as different from the other as society tries to emphasize-- societal norms dramatically increase the difference in physical capability of men and women, for example.
So they are different? I mean, the methodology of indoctrination into the cult of gender is irrelevant. At the end o the day, they're pretty different.
There is a larger difference between the average first world female and the average first world male, than there is between a physically fit female and a physically fit male.
Without qualifying what the first comparison means the second is confusing. There is a large difference between the relative muscle mass of a fit adult male and female in natural settings, the difference is then further exaggerated by perceived and natural social roles within human society. There is a baseline difference between metabolisms, height and weight, nutrition requirements, and general build between the two genders that places the male as larger and typically stronger then the female. Such gender differences are common in many species, and they aren't unpronounced in humans.
If you're referring to me, I never claimed men and women weren't different, just that neither gender is as different from the other as society tries to emphasize-- societal norms dramatically increase the difference in physical capability of men and women, for example.
So they are different? I mean, the methodology of indoctrination into the cult of gender is irrelevant. At the end o the day, they're pretty different.
The difference is in the lower single digit percent range.
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ShumaGorath wrote:Without qualifying what the first comparison means the second is confusing. There is a large difference between the relative muscle mass of a fit adult male and female.
Not according to what the world's militaries (most notably Israel) are finding out.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Where've you been Shuma? This thread has been beckoning
I don't like psuedoscience threads about girls with cooties on gaming forums. It just seems like a bad mix of lack of knowledge, hormones, and awkwardness.
The difference is in the lower single digit percent range.
How do you qualify social and psychological gender differences with a single percent number...? I would normally pounce on someone for that, but I'm a fresh comer here, so I'll give ya a chance to explain.
Not according to what the world's militaries (most notably Israel) are finding out.
If you've already done so I apologize, I'm new to this titanic thread. Please cite the statistics you are referencing.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I don't aim. I state exactly what I mean and I'm not passive-aggressive. It really was just a general statement.
But you were supporting the statement "I also like the auto-assumption that everyone has or wants a family." which was made directly to my post.
Most people with careers do have homes and families of one sort of another. I don't assume it applies to everyone or what form those families take, but the overall point is that I observe a lack of appreciation for the amount such a person stands to lose when suing or taking their employer to tribunal, however noble the action may seem.
ShumaGorath wrote:How do you qualify social and psychological gender differences with a single percent number...?
Excuse me while I go slam my face into my desk.
Okay, done. In case you weren't paying attention (you weren't apparently) and you couldn't figure it out yourself through the context (you couldn't apparently), I was referring to the physiological differences.
The psychological differences are certainly not quantified, but most of psychology outside of a few outliers (those with actual physical disorders) is as much if not more due to nurture as compared to nature. For example, the negative view society has on women who are physically fit (a physically strong woman is still often looked down upon in the more conservative areas of the world, such as here locally).
Ever seen John Q. Public? Extreme example of a guy with family taking a risk. Regardless, I was merely saying that if it was bad enough according to their standards, even someone with a family might risk everything to do something about it. Again, I've yet to comment on it being practical or ideal or even right. I just admitted it was an option and was possible. Yes, people have risks, as has been stated already. I appreciate that. But it really comes down to it's more important than other stuff or it isn't to you, and nothing more.
Okay, done. In case you weren't paying attention (you weren't apparently) and you couldn't figure it out yourself through the context (you couldn't apparently), I was referring to the physiological differences.
Ahh, so you went to the school of medicine for people who like to label things through vague, and wholly out of place percent numbers while not indicating the relevance, target, or purpose of such numbers. I hear they have a great football program, but when I tried to find their teams stats all I got was a 72%.
The psychological differences are certainly not quantified, but most of psychology outside of a few outliers (those with actual physical disorders) is as much if not more due to nurture as compared to nature. For example, the negative view society has on women who are physically fit (a physically strong woman is still often looked down upon in the more conservative areas of the world, such as here locally).
Thank you for explaining why snooki was the one that got punched. Want to actually cite the statistics I asked for?
Let's see if I can find the study online. Proper scholarly articles are hard to find on google...
Bah, only found an abstract. Ah well. Kinda annoying.
I suppose I should withdraw that statement. Essentially, an Israeli study had found that after integrated basic training, the female recruits had a marked improvement in physical fitness while the male recruits only had a slight improvement. The study still recommended a pre-basic course, however, citing that societal norms influence young women to be physically unfit making new female recruits far less physically fit than new male ones.
Regardless, the DWHRP (a military-funded research program in the US dedicated to researching health and fitness for female soldiers of all branches of the military) and other organizations are basically just now in the last few years starting to seriously research the topic and formulate necessary programs to minimize or overcome the differences.
I assume a lot of the "Men are physically better built to do the job of a soldier" stuff can be tracked back to times when war was at least partially about melee combat. Nowadays with lightweight polymer rifles and good logistic backup, killing power is not really linked to physical strength anymore. Back in the days when you needed to hammer your morning star through the plate armour of your foe, then the larger bodyweight of males and their larger strength might indeed had have a bigger impact that justifies only using men as soldiers.
How much is the fact that women can become pregnant and need 9+ months "off" a factor in jobs (military or otherwise)? Not citing fairness or anything associated, but just curious if anyone knows how it directly affects policy.
@Cannerus I actually heard some people came from kinder eggs?
Seriously speaking, i both enjoy and feel uncomfortable from these genres of discussions. Enjoy because i can respect another persons point of view, and find interest in them not sharing mine. Alternatively, a short "i agree" doesn't quite catch my interest. And uncomfortable because i lack understanding of why it always comes down to dividing everything into groups, only to point fingers and state their differences, or even mock others from being different. - You have a bigger nose than me, that makes you different. Your feet are shorter than mine, that makes you different. Heck, we're all different in some way - be it genes or physical appearence. But frankly, i don't see what all the fuss is about, and even less why it's so rare to see people make an effort of actually try to understand what isn't like them.
I typically hate to see division too. I feel like clearing things and getting to the root of what is and isn't can sometimes be just as important though to avoid further disagreement if that makes sense in a backwards sort of way >.>
Thankfully we've got a good crowd on Dakka and things actually can resolve form time to time
To stay on topic, I don't understand the deal with wanting to make sure that no one can see the cords attached to electronics. Nobody is going to believe the TV magically powers itself. I've encountered one or two technophobic males subscribing to this, but many more females with this one. My main complaint is that it makes it super hard to switch stuff around, which is often necessary.
Witzkatz wrote:I assume a lot of the "Men are physically better built to do the job of a soldier" stuff can be tracked back to times when war was at least partially about melee combat. Nowadays with lightweight polymer rifles and good logistic backup, killing power is not really linked to physical strength anymore. Back in the days when you needed to hammer your morning star through the plate armour of your foe, then the larger bodyweight of males and their larger strength might indeed had have a bigger impact that justifies only using men as soldiers.
I completely understand the restriction of women joining the Aus Special Forces, those soldiers need to be incredibly fit to the point where the majority of women in all likelihood wouldn't be able to keep up with the status quo, not to mention the extreme circumstances that raise the bar further.
As for basic strength needed in areas like a Infantryman, there is still a need for physical strength. This is mostly due to the heavy weight of the equipment carried for long periods. In a daily role women are not given active combat duties, though in an emergency I would think they would be called up like everyone else.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:To stay on topic, I don't understand the deal with wanting to make sure that no one can see the cords attached to electronics. Nobody is going to believe the TV magically powers itself. I've encountered one or two technophobic males subscribing to this, but many more females with this one. My main complaint is that it makes it super hard to switch stuff around, which is often necessary.
I hate the way they mould plugs to the flex as a single part. Are people now so fething stupid they can't be trusted to wire a plug? Bah.
With my experience, i'd rather hide those cables... Makes the act of plugging alot more sophisticated, but it prevents you from getting your foot wrapped in the USB-wire, leading from the front of the PC and up to your nearly-filled 1TB external, tripping as you get up, landing on the floor - head first, since hearing that loud *bump* behind you, turning your head and learn that 1000 GB of data just went bye-bye!
Howard A Treesong wrote: Are people now so stupid...
Yes.
@ Melissa. I wasn't being sarcastic or attacking when I requested the data with several different factors in, I would sincerely like to find such sources that have otherwise escaped my searches.
One thing I don't understand. Why do they stay in their room naked but don't bother to lock the door? Then when you knock they yell at you for intruding... learn to at least say 'dont come in' at lock the door. Maybe its just me and my fascination with locking things.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Thankfully we've got a good crowd on Dakka and things actually can resolve form time to time
To stay on topic, I don't understand the deal with wanting to make sure that no one can see the cords attached to electronics. Nobody is going to believe the TV magically powers itself. I've encountered one or two technophobic males subscribing to this, but many more females with this one. My main complaint is that it makes it super hard to switch stuff around, which is often necessary.
Not really? I until very recently, with the much younger kiddie crowd, I haven't seen anyone really embrace wireless stuff. Hell my wireless mouse is practically brand new, and even then I only got it cause it was the cheapest one there (twelve bucks) and there weren't any mice with cords, which I would have preferred.
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Luco wrote:One thing I don't understand. Why do they stay in their room naked but don't bother to lock the door? Then when you knock they yell at you for intruding... learn to at least say 'dont come in' at lock the door. Maybe its just me and my fascination with locking things.
I sincerely don't know anyone like this, male or female. Maybe they're just friggin' weird?
Luco wrote:One thing I don't understand. Why do they stay in their room naked but don't bother to lock the door? Then when you knock they yell at you for intruding... learn to at least say 'dont come in' at lock the door. Maybe its just me and my fascination with locking things.
I sincerely don't know anyone like this, male or female. Maybe they're just friggin' weird?
Howard A Treesong wrote: Are people now so stupid...
Yes.
@ Melissa. I wasn't being sarcastic or attacking when I requested the data with several different factors in, I would sincerely like to find such sources that have otherwise escaped my searches.
One thing I don't understand. Why do they stay in their room naked but don't bother to lock the door? Then when you knock they yell at you for intruding... learn to at least say 'dont come in' at lock the door. Maybe its just me and my fascination with locking things.
My (female) roomie and I hang out naked. Not really an issue here. My past two (female) roomies walked around in towels and stuff too, so in my experience guys have been more prudish.
Howard A Treesong wrote: Are people now so stupid...
Yes.
@ Melissa. I wasn't being sarcastic or attacking when I requested the data with several different factors in, I would sincerely like to find such sources that have otherwise escaped my searches.
One thing I don't understand. Why do they stay in their room naked but don't bother to lock the door? Then when you knock they yell at you for intruding... learn to at least say 'dont come in' at lock the door. Maybe its just me and my fascination with locking things.
My (female) roomie and I hang out naked. Not really an issue here. My past two (female) roomies walked around in towels and stuff too, so in my experience guys have been more prudish.
For some reason I find females are less outright disturbed by grown men playing toy soldiers. You get chavs who will grief a store, but it's purely boys who feel the need to assert their manly-ness by chucking a stink bomb in and darting away like a scared cat.
Avatar 720 wrote:As in, she'll be keeping your man-berries on a leash.
"Does Slarg want want a walk-y!"
"Get this leash off my testi-mmfmfmmfmfmf!"
"There, now the gags in. Let's play some '40k'. I'll be the Sister, and you can be the naughty Guardsmen..."
"MMFMMFMMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMMFMFMFMFM!!!"
Fafnir wrote:If she likes the fluff of Dark Eldar, she's a keeper.
She is in the friend zone, unfortunately. Still, thought it would be funny.
I am also about to become alot more popular at work. I am making Chocolate Cookies, and I work with about thirty some women. And we all know what Chocolate does to women
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chowderhead13 wrote:
Avatar 720 wrote:As in, she'll be keeping your man-berries on a leash.
"Does Slarg want want a walk-y!"
"Get this leash off my testi-mmfmfmmfmfmf!"
"There, now the gags in. Let's play some '40k'. I'll be the Sister, and you can be the naughty Guardsmen..."
"MMFMMFMMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMMFMFMFMFM!!!"
Fafnir wrote:If she likes the fluff of Dark Eldar, she's a keeper.
She is in the friend zone, unfortunately. Still, thought it would be funny.
I am also about to become alot more popular at work. I am making Chocolate Cookies, and I work with about thirty some women. And we all know what Chocolate does to women
Fafnir wrote:If she likes the fluff of Dark Eldar, she's a keeper.
She is in the friend zone, unfortunately. Still, thought it would be funny.
I am also about to become alot more popular at work. I am making Chocolate Cookies, and I work with about thirty some women. And we all know what Chocolate does to women
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chowderhead13 wrote:
Avatar 720 wrote:As in, she'll be keeping your man-berries on a leash.
"Does Slarg want want a walk-y!"
"Get this leash off my testi-mmfmfmmfmfmf!"
"There, now the gags in. Let's play some '40k'. I'll be the Sister, and you can be the naughty Guardsmen..."
"MMFMMFMMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMMFMFMFMFM!!!"
YES PLEASE!
A girl that I know hates chocolate i mean seriously she hates it with a fiery passion.
Being in the friend zone sucks more than anything!
Fafnir wrote:If she likes the fluff of Dark Eldar, she's a keeper.
She is in the friend zone, unfortunately. Still, thought it would be funny.
I am also about to become alot more popular at work. I am making Chocolate Cookies, and I work with about thirty some women. And we all know what Chocolate does to women
Make them fat and very hyper?
No! It melts them like the Chocolate melts in their mouth.
Asherian Command wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:
Fafnir wrote:If she likes the fluff of Dark Eldar, she's a keeper.
She is in the friend zone, unfortunately. Still, thought it would be funny.
I am also about to become alot more popular at work. I am making Chocolate Cookies, and I work with about thirty some women. And we all know what Chocolate does to women
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chowderhead13 wrote:
Avatar 720 wrote:As in, she'll be keeping your man-berries on a leash.
"Does Slarg want want a walk-y!"
"Get this leash off my testi-mmfmfmmfmfmf!"
"There, now the gags in. Let's play some '40k'. I'll be the Sister, and you can be the naughty Guardsmen..."
"MMFMMFMMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMMFMFMFMFM!!!"
YES PLEASE!
A girl that I know hates chocolate i mean seriously she hates it with a fiery passion.
Being in the friend zone sucks more than anything!
Meh, I don't really want to date her, she is just a friend who is female. I have no problem with the friend zone in this instance
Fafnir wrote:If she likes the fluff of Dark Eldar, she's a keeper.
She is in the friend zone, unfortunately. Still, thought it would be funny.
I am also about to become alot more popular at work. I am making Chocolate Cookies, and I work with about thirty some women. And we all know what Chocolate does to women
Make them fat and very hyper?
No! It melts them like the Chocolate melts in their mouth.
Asherian Command wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:
Fafnir wrote:If she likes the fluff of Dark Eldar, she's a keeper.
She is in the friend zone, unfortunately. Still, thought it would be funny.
I am also about to become alot more popular at work. I am making Chocolate Cookies, and I work with about thirty some women. And we all know what Chocolate does to women
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chowderhead13 wrote:
Avatar 720 wrote:As in, she'll be keeping your man-berries on a leash.
"Does Slarg want want a walk-y!"
"Get this leash off my testi-mmfmfmmfmfmf!"
"There, now the gags in. Let's play some '40k'. I'll be the Sister, and you can be the naughty Guardsmen..."
"MMFMMFMMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMMFMFMFMFM!!!"
YES PLEASE!
A girl that I know hates chocolate i mean seriously she hates it with a fiery passion.
Being in the friend zone sucks more than anything!
Meh, I don't really want to date her, she is just a friend who is female. I have no problem with the friend zone in this instance
Yeah If anything I wish I could of dated that girl she was a keeper. Too bad I failed in most ways. Damn my shyness sometimes!
Anyway if your good with the friend zone then thats good as long as she is not interested in you.
This is dating, not a legal case (although it could turn into one quite easily...); "My client wishes to know whether you client is free for dinner this Saturday." "My client wishes to inform your client that the restraining order has gone through." "OBJECTION!"
I would have never guessed. Just go get her, or find a go-between (a friend of hers and yours through which you can communicate).
Yes but problem is, I got involved in something and she needless to say no longer wants to talk to me ever, again. But nothing really bad. But I am shy, at school that is. Outside of school no, I am very what do you call it?
Open and very social, but I dislike parties alot I like small groups when it is a social event. Its kinda funny as it is sorta trait in my family we all hate parties. But we are very social. I have turned down alot of parties, and This year I have gotten 0 asks to go to a party with anyone.
People base me on what they see at school, when I don't actually act like that all the time. I am one of those kids that can hide every single thing about myself at school.
But then I release at home, dakka dakka, in the city, and when I am not obligated to follow any rules set down by my school.
And I wish it worked out but nah it couldn't, my luck has been seemingly really bad lately. But most people think of me as inactive, a quiter and such, but people that actually do know me know that I work out. ALOT. And I don't do competitive sports, because I don't like engaging that really competitive side of me. Ugh I sound like a school girl >.< But yeah I am shy and I am one active son of a gun.
The best part is I am a professional speaker when I need to be. And IT is hilarious how good I am, most people's mouths drop and they love my passionite speeches.
Avatar 720 wrote:This is dating, not a legal case (although it could turn into one quite easily...); "My client wishes to know whether you client is free for dinner this Saturday." "My client wishes to inform your client that the restraining order has gone through." "OBJECTION!"
2001. Anyway thanks guys. I just don't have anything like a good question. I can't make it up with the girl as she gave me this statement. "Sorryz butz trying to be a friendz with me." Of course she then started to go onto statements stating I was a hacker, and stalker, when I had been gone the entirety of that weekend on a hiking trip. Where I had no phone, no internet access and 0 talk to anyone from my school. I was with my friends, and I was seriously injured. Its kinda funny, but I didn't want to explain it to her as she probably wouldn't believe me at all, as she caught me lieing a few times, because for a while she wouldn't shut up. So I manned up and sent an apology letter and she said its fine, just don't ever talk to me again. I am fine with that. Considering that Most guys would of gone crazy and written love stories at my school yada yada blah blah blah. Yeah some people were impressed with what I did, after I told them the fully true story from my presepective.
Kill her. Kill her and steal her organs. Steal her organs and give them to a cow. Give her one of the cows stomachs and blow it up. With a bicycle pump.
Lets see the fuzz work that one out.
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Avatar 720 wrote:Kill her. Kill her and steal her organs. Steal her organs and give them to a cow. Give her one of the cows stomachs and blow it up. With a bicycle pump.
Lets see the fuzz work that one out.
Nah. I'm not a killer. I am a tactical dude, i deal with tactics, not murder that only comes if the person is a risk to others. Also I do not have that type of mind set. And I will consider beating up the bastard who sent that damn message I'll punt a field goal with his arse . Gaking Hackers.
Anyway Thats how I felt about the situation. And I sent here an email one time because I thought it was a hacker one time I was wrong. >.>
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Asherian Command wrote: I can't make it up with the girl as she gave me this statement. "Sorryz butz trying to be a friendz with me."
Sorry I can't even follow this so can't really advise.
I mean she says this cryptic statement, then accuses you of "hacking" and "stalking". What computer hacking? Hacking what? And whenever this hacking was happening you were actually off on a weekend away and got injured. But she won't believe you because you lied to her in the past or something just to get her to be quiet? You sound like a jerk. Then you sent a letter. Okay. But anyway you "got involved in something" but not something 'really bad' but the upshot is that she never wants to talk to you ever again?
Your life seems real complicated for a 16 year old and frankly baffles the hell out of me.
micahaphone wrote:For sure, your analogy is accurate. Women, in general, have it worse off. I just think that it's funny to point out the little, puny advantages.
In the US, women are now approaching 60% of the college makeup. Its a serious issue that is being ignored.
Asherian Command wrote:The best part is I am a professional speaker when I need to be. And IT is hilarious how good I am, most people's mouths drop and they love my passionite speeches.
You probally don't get people replying because you come off as very big headed with stuff like this.
Depends where in Texas the wal-mart is, really. Small town ones that are hilariously out-dated in terms of styling tend to be pretty easy to get through.
Monster Rain wrote:It also seems that he's accused of "stalking" with startling regularity.
I suggest that you stop what it is that you're doing that causes these "misunderstandings", Asherian. Stop it immediately.
Indeed. If something happens more than once, more than likely it's not being caused by other people.
The teenage variety has a need to feel victimized, its possible he's doing something wrong, but its also possible they're just being typical. We live in a 'poor me im so hurt and helpless' society that doesn't take responsibility for gak. I was once accused of stalking someone I didn't even know and another time for someone I hadn't contacted in 4 months.
I've never had a problem shopping at wal-mart grocery stores... then again they aren't very busy at 3am. I'll deal with the boxes and carts everywhere before I deal with the mob.
Asherian Command wrote:The best part is I am a professional speaker when I need to be. And IT is hilarious how good I am, most people's mouths drop and they love my passionite speeches.
You probally don't get people replying because you come off as very big headed with stuff like this.
Maybe stop telling us how great you are.
No i just score very very high when it came to speech. I legitamately have a paper that says I am officially a speaker.
But yes I stopped immediately gave up on it immediately, I think she is still being stalked. But not by me, haven't even gotten near her in like 1 month. Anyway thats all i can unveil for the story.
Asherian Command wrote:The best part is I am a professional speaker when I need to be. And IT is hilarious how good I am, most people's mouths drop and they love my passionite speeches.
You probally don't get people replying because you come off as very big headed with stuff like this.
Maybe stop telling us how great you are.
No i just score very very high when it came to speech. I legitamately have a paper that says I am officially a speaker.
But yes I stopped immediately gave up on it immediately, I think she is still being stalked. But not by me, haven't even gotten near her in like 1 month. Anyway thats all i can unveil for the story.
Being good at public speaking does not make you a professional speaker. The word professional implies that you are paid for your services.
Taking into consideration the fact that you are only 16, I doubt you are a paid speaker.
Another factor that leads me to believe that you are not a professional speaker, or at least that your prowess at public speaking is not all that you make it out to be, is the fact that I have yet to read a post of yours that was not riddled with gross grammatical errors.
No i just score very very high when it came to speech.
Tense confusion. "Score" is in the present tense; "came" is in the past. If you stick with "came" you need to change "score" to "scored". Likewise, if you keep "score" you must change "came" to "comes".
Not a mistake an individual with above average speaking skills is likely to make.
You also need to throw in a comma between "No" and "I". The latter of which you neglected to capitalize.
People will respond to your posts if you spend a little more effort putting them together.
Asherian Command wrote:The best part is I am a professional speaker when I need to be. And IT is hilarious how good I am, most people's mouths drop and they love my passionite speeches.
You probally don't get people replying because you come off as very big headed with stuff like this.
Maybe stop telling us how great you are.
No i just score very very high when it came to speech. I legitamately have a paper that says I am officially a speaker.
But yes I stopped immediately gave up on it immediately, I think she is still being stalked. But not by me, haven't even gotten near her in like 1 month. Anyway thats all i can unveil for the story.
Being good at public speaking does not make you a professional speaker. The word professional implies that you are paid for your services.
Taking into consideration the fact that you are only 16, I doubt you are a paid speaker.
Another factor that leads me to believe that you are not a professional speaker, or at least that your prowess at public speaking is not all that you make it out to be, is the fact that I have yet to read a post of yours that was not riddled with gross grammatical errors.
No i just score very very high when it came to speech.
Tense confusion.
"Score" is in the present tense; "came" is in the past.
If you stick with "came" you need to change "score" to "scored". Likewise, if you keep "score" you must change "came" to "comes".
Not a mistake an individual with above average speaking skills is likely to make.
You also need to throw in a comma between "No" and "I". The latter of which you neglected to capitalize.
People will respond to your posts if you spend a little more effort putting them together.
Mate this is the Internet I do not care how I spell stuff but I suck at grammar and spelling on paper. But not when I speak that is a different matter entirely. Its not like I am some idiot, bragging about things he does not rightful deserve to wear and such.
Just to tell you I do not like bragging as most guys at my school do. And I don't because I do not want to brag. But seriously its kinda hard when your the person who is left out in a group and not given a decisions due to a mistake that happened years upon years ago. Of course the group has made more mistakes than I have made in my entire life. I wish sometimes both genders would Shut up and just listen to people who might be able to make wiser decisions than a 14-15 year old who has no experience in any of the things that are happening.
Asherian Command wrote:
Mate this is the Internet I do not care how I spell stuff
Well then don't expect people to take you too seriously. Just sayin'.
Tiz the interwebz, it'z alwayz zeriouz buzinezz.
Cookies where a hug success, guys. I took about fourty cookies into work, and half of them were gone in two hours and at the end of the day people where begging me for the recipe.
Also, I learned you can NOT say "All women are evil!" surrounded by three of them. Dirty Looks are thrown in your direction
micahaphone wrote:For sure, your analogy is accurate. Women, in general, have it worse off. I just think that it's funny to point out the little, puny advantages.
In the US, women are now approaching 60% of the college makeup. Its a serious issue that is being ignored.
This is good for college students, no? I may not have a legion of weiner dogs, but until then, I'll need something else to focus my attention on as the dachshundkirieg draws closer...
Asherian Command wrote:Just to tell you I do not like bragging as most guys at my school do. And I don't because I do not want to brag. But seriously its kinda hard when your the person who is left out in a group and not given a decisions due to a mistake that happened years upon years ago. Of course the group has made more mistakes than I have made in my entire life. I wish sometimes both genders would Shut up and just listen to people who might be able to make wiser decisions than a 14-15 year old who has no experience in any of the things that are happening.
How dramatic. You can't expect sympathy unless you give us a clue as to any injustice towards your situation, it could be well deserved for all we know.
For example, during jr. high, I got picked on a lot. However, looking back, I realize I was a massive donkey-cave who probably deserved a good portion of that.
Asherian Command wrote:
Mate this is the Internet I do not care how I spell stuff
Well then don't expect people to take you too seriously. Just sayin'.
I certainly couldn't care less what some sixteen year old with bad grammar and spelling thinks. I have to deal with enough of those any time I play an FPS game.
Asherian Command wrote:Just to tell you I do not like bragging as most guys at my school do. And I don't because I do not want to brag. But seriously its kinda hard when your the person who is left out in a group and not given a decisions due to a mistake that happened years upon years ago. Of course the group has made more mistakes than I have made in my entire life. I wish sometimes both genders would Shut up and just listen to people who might be able to make wiser decisions than a 14-15 year old who has no experience in any of the things that are happening.
How dramatic. You can't expect sympathy unless you give us a clue as to any injustice towards your situation, it could be well deserved for all we know.
Yes drama = fail. As teens always make it dramatic. but no I don't try and make it dramatic scene from lets say Romeo and Juliet or the Hamlet, or any Shakespearean play.
An example of what i might help in is when the group decides to get back at someone, one of them suggests beating the kid to a pulp. I get in and say. "That is no way in order to deal with anyone, violence is not a key thing and I suggest -"
Then someone interrupts me and tells me that the bastard deserves it and my opinion no longer counts.
I then went on to sit down quietly as noone wanted to hear any of my opinions.
Asherian Command wrote:Yes drama = fail. As teens always make it dramatic. but no I don't try and make it dramatic scene from lets say Romeo and Juliet or the Hamlet, or any Shakespearean play. An example of what i might help in is when the group decides to get back at someone, one of them suggests beating the kid to a pulp. I get in and say. "That is no way in order to deal with anyone, violence is not a key thing and I suggest -" Then someone interrupts me and tells me that the bastard deserves it and my opinion no longer counts.
I then went on to sit down quietly as noone wanted to hear any of my opinions.
So you want to fit in with a group of people that gang up to beat other kids to a pulp? Grow a spine, they're a waste of time.
Asherian Command wrote:Yes drama = fail. As teens always make it dramatic. but no I don't try and make it dramatic scene from lets say Romeo and Juliet or the Hamlet, or any Shakespearean play. An example of what i might help in is when the group decides to get back at someone, one of them suggests beating the kid to a pulp. I get in and say. "That is no way in order to deal with anyone, violence is not a key thing and I suggest -" Then someone interrupts me and tells me that the bastard deserves it and my opinion no longer counts.
I then went on to sit down quietly as noone wanted to hear any of my opinions.
So you want to fit in with a group of people that gang up to beat other kids to a pulp? Grow a spine, they're a waste of time.
Asherian Command wrote:I have. I don't even go near them anymore.
Well what's it got to do with anything then? This thread makes *no* sense.
That's what you get from getting OT all the friggin' time! *polishes his halo*
-.-
*takes out bolt pistol*
Hersey! Anyway. I saw some girls doing some hard back breaking shoveling. I can't do it right now as I did my entire driveway and I hurt my shoulder, but yeah some girls are awesome that way.
Asherian Command wrote:Anyway. I saw some girls doing some hard back breaking shoveling. I can't do it right now as I did my entire driveway and I hurt my shoulder, but yeah some girls are awesome that way.
Asherian Command wrote:Anyway. I saw some girls doing some hard back breaking shoveling. I can't do it right now as I did my entire driveway and I hurt my shoulder, but yeah some girls are awesome that way.
And it gets even more random...
WHAT NO! Thats perfect for this thread! Girls doing work men should be doing!
Asherian Command wrote:Anyway. I saw some girls doing some hard back breaking shoveling. I can't do it right now as I did my entire driveway and I hurt my shoulder, but yeah some girls are awesome that way.
And it gets even more random...
WHAT NO! Thats perfect for this thread! Girls doing work men should be doing!
Asherian Command wrote:Anyway. I saw some girls doing some hard back breaking shoveling. I can't do it right now as I did my entire driveway and I hurt my shoulder, but yeah some girls are awesome that way.
And it gets even more random...
WHAT NO! Thats perfect for this thread! Girls doing work men should be doing!
micahaphone wrote:For sure, your analogy is accurate. Women, in general, have it worse off. I just think that it's funny to point out the little, puny advantages.
In the US, women are now approaching 60% of the college makeup. Its a serious issue that is being ignored.
This is good for college students, no? I may not have a legion of weiner dogs, but until then, I'll need something else to focus my attention on as the dachshundkirieg draws closer...
micahaphone wrote:For sure, your analogy is accurate. Women, in general, have it worse off. I just think that it's funny to point out the little, puny advantages.
In the US, women are now approaching 60% of the college makeup. Its a serious issue that is being ignored.
This is good for college students, no? I may not have a legion of weiner dogs, but until then, I'll need something else to focus my attention on as the dachshundkirieg draws closer...
Dachshundkrieg...Team Weenie is pleased.
It will be a three-fold assault consisting of rapid response assault troops (dachshunds), calvary (soldiers riding giant dachshunds), and airborne troopers (parachuting dachshunds). We shall take over the nations of the cat-worshipping heretics.
micahaphone wrote:For sure, your analogy is accurate. Women, in general, have it worse off. I just think that it's funny to point out the little, puny advantages.
In the US, women are now approaching 60% of the college makeup. Its a serious issue that is being ignored.
This is good for college students, no? I may not have a legion of weiner dogs, but until then, I'll need something else to focus my attention on as the dachshundkirieg draws closer...
Dachshundkrieg...Team Weenie is pleased.
It will be a three-fold assault consisting of rapid response assault troops (dachshunds), calvary (soldiers riding giant dachshunds), and airborne troopers (parachuting dachshunds). We shall take over the nations of the cat-worshipping heretics.
Fool! You know not the strategies of the cat-people!
We will use our crazy widows to throw cats at you! Kneel before your rightful master!
Melissa wrote:THe only fear my cats will have is if they get bored of weiner dog meat.
Ahh,It's all in the preparation,a nice weiner dog Creole or jambalaya or even weiner dog gumbo with some corn bread and the kittens will come a running.
Melissa wrote:THe only fear my cats will have is if they get bored of weiner dog meat.
Ahh,It's all in the preparation,a nice weiner dog Creole or jambalaya or even weiner dog gumbo with some corn bread and the kittens will come a running.
Meh, just slap a bun over the top of them, not like people don't do that now....
Cuz seriously, what ARE hotdogs?
More "seriously" I keep on having dreams of a girl, and I'm not sure what to make of it....
More "seriously" I keep on having dreams of a girl, and I'm not sure what to make of it....
...I suppose it would depend on the content of the dream as to what to make of it....if it's a basic "he and she" dream,well...unless your related to her then it's perfectly natural.
If your dressed like a big pink bunny ridding a unicycle while she hurls chocolate covered hamsters at your head...well..you might need some help.
More "seriously" I keep on having dreams of a girl, and I'm not sure what to make of it....
...I suppose it would depend on the content of the dream as to what to make of it....if it's a basic "he and she" dream,well...unless your related to her then it's perfectly natural.
If your dressed like a big pink bunny ridding a unicycle while she hurls chocolate covered hamsters at your head...well..you might need some help.
True, but I only usually have actual dreams of people like this when something is going to happen to/for/near/whatever them. The one thing that is odd though, is that I can't remember any of it, which is completely out of the norm for me.
Oh, and at work, I made $25 bucks because almost every employee had to stay late until Inventory was done, except a few people and I. I was musing over how long it took them to get it done with a coworker, and I suddenly knew: 4:30 A.M. (They started at 2:00 P.M.). I told him this, and we made a bet. I got the money
More "seriously" I keep on having dreams of a girl, and I'm not sure what to make of it....
...I suppose it would depend on the content of the dream as to what to make of it....if it's a basic "he and she" dream,well...unless your related to her then it's perfectly natural.
If your dressed like a big pink bunny ridding a unicycle while she hurls chocolate covered hamsters at your head...well..you might need some help.
True, but I only usually have actual dreams of people like this when something is going to happen to/for/near/whatever them. The one thing that is odd though, is that I can't remember any of it, which is completely out of the norm for me.
Oh, and at work, I made $25 bucks because almost every employee had to stay late until Inventory was done, except a few people and I. I was musing over how long it took them to get it done with a coworker, and I suddenly knew: 4:30 A.M. (They started at 2:00 P.M.). I told him this, and we made a bet. I got the money :thumbs up:
Premonitions?...hmm, I'm really not the one to scoff at that,in fact my Grandmother used to have "dreams" all the time that had the uncanny habit of coming to pass.
It was actually quite bizzare,she'd have a dream that someone was going to die and regardless of age/health/etc that person would be dead within a month or so.
Meh, I've been able to do it since forever, hell I think the first dream I had that came to pass was when I was twelve, the dream was that my best friend at the time took a knife and cut my arm, holding it out to let the blood flow. Within the week, he put kick me signs on my back and started harrassing the girl he knew I liked at the time, and when she refused his advances, he started saying "Oh, she broke my Heart!", causing her to move away.......
It's always symbollic like that, and usually I can remember it... Which is why I am so worried about this one, it leaves me at a complete disadvantage that I can't seem to remember it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, the oldest dream I remember... hrm. I woke up, was thirsty, then went out of my room and out into the hall. Then a floating medusa head from castlevania appeared and I woke up again. Then I went out of my room and into the hall, and saw another. Repeat ad nauseum.
Melissia wrote:Kitty, stop biting my knuckles as I try to type.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, the oldest dream I remember... hrm. I woke up, was thirsty, then went out of my room and out into the hall. Then a floating medusa head from castlevania appeared and I woke up again. Then I went out of my room and into the hall, and saw another. Repeat ad nauseum.
Oh, that's not the oldest dream I remember, its just the first one that came true
In the oldest dream I remember, I was Spiderman, but had jet packs and a yellow suit, and no webslinging or wall crawling abilities.
How the hell I was Spiderman, I have no clue......
I also remember a dream where me and everyone else I knew, even tangentally, went into a haunted house and died in increasingly less plausible ways. Quicksand in the sandbox, snakes in the freshly cooked pasta, lamps which turned into industrial strength cutting lasers, closets with lots of poorly balanced poleaxes in them waiting for someone to open so they can fall on them and somehow impale them. A living shard of glass which was able to fly at bullet speeds on its own will. A vampire under the bed which sucked your blood out via your ankle if you stepped down. A very hungry trashcan. And about seventeen different deaths involving opening a door, screaming, and dying from what they saw in the room.
Don't really remember what they saw though. Strangely, I never actually died in them, I guess if I did I don't remember it.
Melissia wrote:I also remember a dream where me and everyone else I knew, even tangentally, went into a haunted house and died in increasingly less plausible ways. Quicksand in the sandbox, snakes in the freshly cooked pasta, lamps which turned into industrial strength cutting lasers, closets with lots of poorly balanced poleaxes in them waiting for someone to open so they can fall on them and somehow impale them. A living shard of glass which was able to fly at bullet speeds on its own will. A vampire under the bed which sucked your blood out via your ankle if you stepped down. A very hungry trashcan. And about seventeen different deaths involving opening a door, screaming, and dying from what they saw in the room.
Don't really remember what they saw though. Strangely, I never actually died in them, I guess if I did I don't remember it.
Yeah, never had anything like that. No joke, that's pretty messed up
I have, however, disproved the fact that your supposed to die in life if you hit the bottom of a cliff in a dream. I fell what had to be 80 stories, and pulled myself off the ground in an almost comical fashion. Getting out of that hole I left was a pain, though.
True, I had some messed up dreams. Like this one time I cut out my own heart, and then just sat there staring at it beat in my hand. It was warm, and the blood felt nice on my skin, so warm compared to the cool air.
Melissia wrote:True, I had some messed up dreams. Like this one time I cut out my own heart, and then just sat there staring at it beat in my hand. It was warm, and the blood felt nice on my skin, so warm compared to the cool air.
I think it was sometime in winter.
I once dreamed that I was in a boy band with a girl I have a crush on and Joe Jonas. Then a piece of Rebar killed Joe.
Melissia wrote:True, I had some messed up dreams. Like this one time I cut out my own heart, and then just sat there staring at it beat in my hand. It was warm, and the blood felt nice on my skin, so warm compared to the cool air.
I think it was sometime in winter.
I once had this dream (this one came true) where I was an Inquisitor type figure who was cut, broken, and beaten to near death. This girl, this most beautiful of women, brought me into her care and started nursing me back to health, slowly, oh so slowly. Eventually, I learned that she was a monster, kind of a cross between a Vampire and a Werewolf (not like in Underworld), and, despite all that she had done for me, I lashed out and attacked her. As she defended herself, I slowly started to realize that she wasn't the real monster, I was; she had helped me overcome death, and I had thrown it back in her face after learning her nature.
I have always thought it a pity that I didn't start beleiving in my dreams until after this one. This "premonition" is also what caused me to start drinking. Because as I said, this one came true. I won't go into detail as to how messed up I was, but that little party girl/drunkard/slut (I mean it as a descriptor, not a slam. She was an angel to me) brought me back from a bad place, and I threw it back at her without hesitation.
This is also why I don't comment on peoples "social" behaviors anymore.
Melissia wrote:True, I had some messed up dreams. Like this one time I cut out my own heart, and then just sat there staring at it beat in my hand. It was warm, and the blood felt nice on my skin, so warm compared to the cool air.
Melissia wrote:True, I had some messed up dreams. Like this one time I cut out my own heart, and then just sat there staring at it beat in my hand. It was warm, and the blood felt nice on my skin, so warm compared to the cool air.
micahaphone wrote:For sure, your analogy is accurate. Women, in general, have it worse off. I just think that it's funny to point out the little, puny advantages.
In the US, women are now approaching 60% of the college makeup. Its a serious issue that is being ignored.
This is good for college students, no? I may not have a legion of weiner dogs, but until then, I'll need something else to focus my attention on as the dachshundkirieg draws closer...
Dachshundkrieg...Team Weenie is pleased.
It will be a three-fold assault consisting of rapid response assault troops (dachshunds), calvary (soldiers riding giant dachshunds), and airborne troopers (parachuting dachshunds). We shall take over the nations of the cat-worshipping heretics.
Its like I'm talking to the Genghis Connie... We will set you high in our counsels. Dachshundkrieg is coming...look busy!
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FITZZ wrote:
Melissa wrote:THe only fear my cats will have is if they get bored of weiner dog meat.
Ahh,It's all in the preparation,a nice weiner dog Creole or jambalaya or even weiner dog gumbo with some corn bread and the kittens will come a running.
Heretic! Blasphemer! You'll be first against the wall when the Revolution comes! (ok actually #2,561 I have a list).
Melissia wrote:True, I had some messed up dreams. Like this one time I cut out my own heart, and then just sat there staring at it beat in my hand. It was warm, and the blood felt nice on my skin, so warm compared to the cool air.
I think it was sometime in winter.
That post really gave Maria Lucia's Taking Back My Heart a whole new meaning...
Melissia wrote:True, I had some messed up dreams. Like this one time I cut out my own heart, and then just sat there staring at it beat in my hand. It was warm, and the blood felt nice on my skin, so warm compared to the cool air.
Melissa wrote:THe only fear my cats will have is if they get bored of weiner dog meat.
Ahh,It's all in the preparation,a nice weiner dog Creole or jambalaya or even weiner dog gumbo with some corn bread and the kittens will come a running. :thumbs up:
Heretic! Blasphemer! You'll be first against the wall when the Revolution comes! (ok actually #2,561 I have a list).
Hmm..Will I be permitted a "last meal" before the execution??
I once dreamt that I had a house party which everyone I knew attended but halfway through the lights went off and the doors/windows became locked and somehow indestrubile. After this 6 foot tall snake people murdered everyone by ramming their fists through the backs of peoples skulls and out of their faces in front of me but seemed to totally ignore my presence until the end of the dream where I stood in front of the mirror in my parents bedroom and looked into my reflection... I was the snake man thing
The rest of my dreams are about zombies invading and me murdering hundreds of the bastards before being torn apart.
If its a dream I have and something didn't die its a weird dream. There was the time I burned to death, eaten alive, pulverized to a pulp, dragged down and strangled, I've been shot in dreams more times than I care to count, woken up lovestruck after getting my legs blown off by a land mine and lying in my own organs for the remainder of the dream... not much bothers me. Though seeing a little blond girl shriek as she was eaten alive was more disturbing than usual, do I get a point for pushing the bloated thing off a cliff and watching it splat in a pool of blood before jumping off myself?
I'm still perplexed by the magnetic draw reality TV seems to have on some females ,even women who I hold in high regard appear to be compelled to watch these televised train wrecks.
Now,I'm aware this is not simply a "female" thing,I myself admittedly watch Gordan Ramsey,but it does appear that women make up the majority of the viewers for the more...unsavory...programs like Jersey Shore and the like.
Honestly,is it some sort of "schadenfreude."
FITZZ wrote: I'm still perplexed by the magnetic draw reality TV seems to have on some females ,even women who I hold in high regard appear to be compelled to watch these televised train wrecks.
Now,I'm aware this is not simply a "female" thing,I myself admittedly watch Gordan Ramsey,but it does appear that women make up the majority of the viewers for the more...unsavory...programs like Jersey Shore and the like.
Honestly,is it some sort of "schadenfreude."
Generally women tend to have socially biased brains and so are genetically predisposed to enjoy watching social situations whether they are faked (see soaps, desperate housewives or jersey shore) or "reality" (such as big brother over here).
rubik's noob wrote:Jesus Christ, you people have the most disturbing dreams. What is wrong with you??
I'm not entirely sure...I for one have resisted the urge to post details of any dream I've ever had.
Commitment to a Psychiatric hospital is low on my "things to do" list
rubik's noob wrote:Jesus Christ, you people have the most disturbing dreams. What is wrong with you??
I'm not entirely sure...I for one have resisted the urge to post details of any dream I've ever had.
Commitment to a Psychiatric hospital is low on my "things to do" list
Ah come on! With the meds they have now, you can't even tell your in the Psych Ward.
Of course, one of my friends nicknames is Psych Ward. I wouldn't mind being in her, if you know what I mean....
rubik's noob wrote:Jesus Christ, you people have the most disturbing dreams. What is wrong with you??
I'm not entirely sure...I for one have resisted the urge to post details of any dream I've ever had.
Commitment to a Psychiatric hospital is low on my "things to do" list
Ah come on! With the meds they have now, you can't even tell your in the Psych Ward.
Of course, one of my friends nicknames is Psych Ward. I wouldn't mind being in her, if you know what I mean....
I get your meaning my friend. As far as being in a Psych Ward,I'll pass..I worked in a State Holding Facility for several years and that was quite enough for me.
rubik's noob wrote:Jesus Christ, you people have the most disturbing dreams. What is wrong with you??
I'm not entirely sure...I for one have resisted the urge to post details of any dream I've ever had.
Commitment to a Psychiatric hospital is low on my "things to do" list
Ah come on! With the meds they have now, you can't even tell your in the Psych Ward.
Of course, one of my friends nicknames is Psych Ward. I wouldn't mind being in her, if you know what I mean....
I get your meaning my friend. As far as being in a Psych Ward,I'll pass..I worked in a State Holding Facility for several years and that was quite enough for me.
I haven't; my mum has because her psychiatrist was a bastard (it took her up until recently to have a psychiatrist look over her medical history and say "Actually... this isn't right...") and fethed up a few weeks of her life.
Now her original Psych is a vegetable, a term i'm only comfortable using to describe this guy because quite frankly, he deserves it.
rubik's noob wrote:Jesus Christ, you people have the most disturbing dreams. What is wrong with you??
I'm not entirely sure...I for one have resisted the urge to post details of any dream I've ever had.
Commitment to a Psychiatric hospital is low on my "things to do" list
Ah come on! With the meds they have now, you can't even tell your in the Psych Ward.
Of course, one of my friends nicknames is Psych Ward. I wouldn't mind being in her, if you know what I mean....
I get your meaning my friend. As far as being in a Psych Ward,I'll pass..I worked in a State Holding Facility for several years and that was quite enough for me.
State Holding Facility is a strange nickname.
It certainly would be,and it's implications would be even more disturbing.
Wouldn't say i'm lucky because I have dreams. A lot of my dreams are scenarios i'd love to be in but realise that there's not a chance in hell. If anything, i'd prefer not to be able to dream; at least i don't have my brain taunting me.
I like her, and we have been friends for about.... two years. I am about 80% certain she likes me, too. Only problem is, is that I only have two ways of contacting her: Text, and Facebook. Neither will work for the purpose of asking her out. I can't call her because she doesn't pick up her phone, and she doesn't answer any video chats, both because of bad experiances with past boyfriends. I am at a loss as to how to proceed....
Uhh you should see my dreams, mine are basically either sexual, Warlike (me being a tactical sergeant), 40k being real, movie themes, (like incepetion, holy gaking god mother of saint pearl that was really confusing while i was in a dream in a dream that I was in a dream.), The Matrix dream, normal life, and me seeing deja vu's at the same time. Anyway the funniest dream I have ever heard of was from a girl, and she was hot But she was kinda shy about talking about it until she told me and my group about it. And it made me laugh so hard.
Move on then. No point in talking to a brick wall.
Okay, I have a problem:
There's a girl in my stagecraft class who I'm slightly interested in. Had a fun time talking a few classes back (never got around to introducing one another, sadly, but that's unimportant).
The problem?
She likes Dane Cook.
So /b/... I mean Dakka... I need your advice. Go for it, knowing she has horrible taste in comedy (although she laughed at my jokes... uh oh...), possibly with the chance of rehabilitating her tastes by introducing her to George Carlin and Eddy Izzard (can't do it all at once though, the shear comedic shock would kill her), or should I consider her a lost cause and search for a new quarry?
Fafnir wrote:Move on then. No point in talking to a brick wall.
Okay, I have a problem:
There's a girl in my stagecraft class who I'm slightly interested in. Had a fun time talking a few classes back (never got around to introducing one another, sadly, but that's unimportant).
The problem?
She likes Dane Cook.
So /b/... I mean Dakka... I need your advice. Go for it, knowing she has horrible taste in comedy (although she laughed at my jokes... uh oh...), possibly with the chance of rehabilitating her tastes by introducing her to George Carlin and Eddy Izzard (can't do it all at once though, the shear comedic shock would kill her), or should I consider her a lost cause and search for a new quarry?
Show different types of comedy. Danny Bhoy and any other better comedian is what will save you.
Fafnir wrote:Move on then. No point in talking to a brick wall.
Okay, I have a problem:
There's a girl in my stagecraft class who I'm slightly interested in. Had a fun time talking a few classes back (never got around to introducing one another, sadly, but that's unimportant).
The problem?
She likes Dane Cook.
So /b/... I mean Dakka... I need your advice. Go for it, knowing she has horrible taste in comedy (although she laughed at my jokes... uh oh...), possibly with the chance of rehabilitating her tastes by introducing her to George Carlin and Eddy Izzard (can't do it all at once though, the shear comedic shock would kill her), or should I consider her a lost cause and search for a new quarry?
Advice? Just don't talk about the un-funniest man, and slowly build her up to humor.
Also, if she's hot, if I were you, I'd hit it like a sledgehammer *Swings pelvis*
If that's you, more power to you, but don't expect different results regardless of how reasonable your complaint is.
I wasn't aiming at anyone in particular.
. Gaking Hackers.
