Absolutionis wrote:It finally hit me why this announcement didn't piss off Infinity fans like the GW teaser did.
Corvus Belli has been, for months now, dropping official hints that there is a campaign book coming out. They wouldn't give a strict date, but it's been delayed more than once IIRC. Then, suddenly, they drop a date so we can all get excited because we know what it is.
As for another Alien faction, that seems a bit meh.
Absolutionis wrote:It finally hit me why this announcement didn't piss off Infinity fans like the GW teaser did.
Corvus Belli has been, for months now, dropping official hints that there is a campaign book coming out. They wouldn't give a strict date, but it's been delayed more than once IIRC. Then, suddenly, they drop a date so we can all get excited because we know what it is.
As for another Alien faction, that seems a bit meh.
It also seems more than a bit out of left field.
I can't recall any hints at all about this...
There haven't been any.
There's been basically discussion on the part of the design team at CB with fans.
If so presumably it is still going to be a long way out?
Kinda/sorta.
We've known the "Campaign Book" has been coming for a long time. It was originally going to be a small thing, but then it got bigger and bigger and bigger.
Which is fine, it really is.
Since then though, they've been relatively tight-lipped about the book progress outside of generalities(which is smart, in my opinion, as it means people won't say "X said Y will come out on Z. It didn't happen! I HATE YOU!").
I hope you all know that this speculation on a 'new' Alien faction is purely fabricated from the icon in the teaser. It's just that it doesn't fit the coloration or design of any of the existing factions.
Alpharius wrote:I can't recall any hints at all about this...
"In these days, only the Tohaa Trigon has proven somewhat resistant to absorption but all the EI analysis suggests that their fall is a question of time."
- page 90 of the first rulebook
Another alien faction was expected eventually and the logo shown fits with the name. *shrugs, settles down to wait*
If so presumably it is still going to be a long way out?
Kinda/sorta.
We've known the "Campaign Book" has been coming for a long time. It was originally going to be a small thing, but then it got bigger and bigger and bigger.
Which is fine, it really is.
Since then though, they've been relatively tight-lipped about the book progress outside of generalities(which is smart, in my opinion, as it means people won't say "X said Y will come out on Z. It didn't happen! I HATE YOU!").
Nice - except he was talking about the new alien faction, not the long anticipated Campaign Book!
Construct wrote:
Alpharius wrote:I can't recall any hints at all about this...
"In these days, only the Tohaa Trigon has proven somewhat resistant to absorption but all the EI analysis suggests that their fall is a question of time."
- page 90 of the first rulebook
Another alien faction was expected eventually and the logo shown fits with the name. *shrugs, settles down to wait*
Nice catch - I don't remember reading that... thanks for posting it!
In the official forums seems that most of the users are talking about the "Tohaa Trigon", an Alien race that is just mentioned in page 90 of the first rulebook.
They are described as the only civilization that has resisted the EI attacks.
Almost like the bits in the Alien franchise books where they talk about what kind of creature could be hunting the Aliens? Or the alien species that managed to not only fight off, but defeat the Borg in Star Trek?
I like it, although i still feel uneasy about his real hands sticking out. It has always bothered me when watching Appleseed and it still does now. It's personal taste preference, though.
Kanluwen wrote:And my excitement for Scarface just got butchered.
Anything that means less Kanluwen in an Infinity thread has got to be a good thing!
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Anyways.
Pacific wrote:Were you expecting Al Pacino Kan?
As heartserenade says, definitely got the Appleseed look about it, I like it though is certainly a bit of a different style !
All kidding aside, it does seem a bit reminiscent of the Yu-ing O-Yoroi Kidobutai T.A.G. and I'm not a huge fan of that design...
The big problem I have with it is the design aesthetic does not fit what it is supposedly matching; the Druze Shock Troops.
The concept art made it look like a "biggerized Druze Shock Troop".
When it was that? I was all over it. But something seemingly has gone wrong in translating it from the concept art to the 3D render.
It very well might be that when I see the actual model it will look better, but as it stands...it looks too much like a Yu Jing TAG (with three guns for whatever reason...I will never comprehend why you make an armored battlesuit with hands able to manipulate objects but instead rely upon throwaway guns rather than reloads) and not enough like a TAG which might be operated by the Druze mercenary companies.
Kanluwen wrote:
It very well might be that when I see the actual model it will look better, but as it stands...it looks too much like a Yu Jing TAG
Yeah, we know!
Alpharius wrote:
Pacific wrote:Were you expecting Al Pacino Kan?
As heartserenade says, definitely got the Appleseed look about it, I like it though is certainly a bit of a different style !
All kidding aside, it does seem a bit reminiscent of the Yu-ing O-Yoroi Kidobutai T.A.G. and I'm not a huge fan of that design...
Damn, I guess you're sticking around then? Besides, aren't you Aleph only?
More on topic - I can't remember back to when Human Sphere was released - did we get more than the usual 4 or 5 miniatures/box sets the month the new book hit?
Kanluwen wrote:
It very well might be that when I see the actual model it will look better, but as it stands...it looks too much like a Yu Jing TAG
Yeah, we know!
Alpharius wrote:
Pacific wrote:Were you expecting Al Pacino Kan?
As heartserenade says, definitely got the Appleseed look about it, I like it though is certainly a bit of a different style !
All kidding aside, it does seem a bit reminiscent of the Yu-ing O-Yoroi Kidobutai T.A.G. and I'm not a huge fan of that design...
Damn, I guess you're sticking around then? Besides, aren't you Aleph only?
I'm at a place where I'm cutting my expenditures down as much as possible, but still looking here and there for outside models.
And I know you're going to harass me to get some more ALEPH progress going soon. It's my birthday this weekend, so Sunday I can manage some painting if Aldarionn doesn't kidnap me for Mass Effect 3.
More on topic - I can't remember back to when Human Sphere was released - did we get more than the usual 4 or 5 miniatures/box sets the month the new book hit?
I think we did for one wave, but then not past that.
I can see more "Dragao" there than "O-Yoroi". Sure it has big upper legs but from the knees below it is like the Dragao... and the arms have some Dragao feel too...
I'm deliberating if I can somehow convert Scarface and... chop those arms off. And maybe remove the blade and put another gun in there? I wonder if the smaller, human arms and the guns on the back came in separate pieces....
I think we should hopefully get a load of really good releases alongside the new book. The question is, whether presumably we will just be told about the new releases on the 3rd August, rather than the book actually arriving then? CB don't seem to have been that tight on leaked stuff in the past, and you would have thought some traders would have got their hands on the book by now?
Suffice to say, I am massively impatient!
Kanluwen wrote:
And I know you're going to harass me to get some more ALEPH progress going soon. It's my birthday this weekend, so Sunday I can manage some painting if Aldarionn doesn't kidnap me for Mass Effect 3.
I think the aesthetic design of Mass Effect is so similar, and I'm amazed that there haven't been more Mass Effect-inspired colour schemes on people's forces. Although some of the Sarissa terrain/buildings do look like they could have been taken straight from the game, and there have been a couple of examples of terrain set-ups that will look very familiar to fans of the game!
Kanluwen wrote:Looks like we'll be seeing more Ekdromoi models sometime soon.
I'll patiently wait for that, and maybe a repackaged Myrmidon box too.
I wouldn't wait on a repackage of the Myrmidon, the box is already done in there new format, and not like to change any time soon. Even less likely as the model in the new book will take up releases and there many book 1 and 2 loadout we are missing.
I really dig the Ekdromoi. No boring ODD, which ALEPH has plenty of, and a good weapon selection teamed up with Super-Jump, an entirely new ability to the army.
Dropping behind your enemy out of ZOC is way better than any field. More importantly, ODD on an AD trooper would be pretty damned powerful- maybe too powerful.
While they don't have the defensive niceties of camo/fields, the MA level 3 makes them distinctive. Troops that use their AD to get into close combat quickly- that's a nice difference from all the other AD troops around. The super-jump is also a nice touch, matches the CA well. I look forward to seeing Ekdromoi and Vectors hopping their way up some tower terrain to face each other, soon!
Finally, can't wait to see squads of those Riot Grrls in action. They look pretty well-rounded.
heartserenade wrote:I like it, although i still feel uneasy about his real hands sticking out. It has always bothered me when watching Appleseed and it still does now. It's personal taste preference, though.
Is it the exposed hands or the exposed arms, specifically? I'm pretty sure I've seen Landmate-style suits where the arm armour is much thicker than normal and the cylinders covering the forearms completely hide the hands as well (whilst still allowing them room to make every gesture except bending at the wrist), ameliorating a major weakness of the setup.
Kanluwen wrote:It very well might be that when I see the actual model it will look better, but as it stands...it looks too much like a Yu Jing TAG (with three guns for whatever reason...I will never comprehend why you make an armored battlesuit with hands able to manipulate objects but instead rely upon throwaway guns rather than reloads) and not enough like a TAG which might be operated by the Druze mercenary companies.
Well, the monochromacity isn't doing it any favours; it's hard to pick out that distinctive Druze helmet. The thighs have bloated, but they're easily slimmed down to Druze-size by filing off those vents or whatever they are on the sides. The pilot has popped out like a hernia, pulling the chest forwards. Not much to be done there but once we can get a look from all angles it'll probably turn out to be a necessary change to fit him in there without fudging the anatomy. That silly knife also needs to be replaced with a Haqqislam-style sword, which is the work of a few minutes with sheet styrene even if it shouldn't have to be done in the first place.
What makes you think the guns are throwaway? As a TAG it's certainly capable of duel-wielding the Mk12s and presumably the panzerfaust and knife are magnetically-clamped to the thighs or some such when it does so.
Sephyr wrote:I really dig the Ekdromoi. No boring ODD, which ALEPH has plenty of, and a good weapon selection teamed up with Super-Jump, an entirely new ability to the army.
Thats not true, the Garuda have super jump i believe.
So unit by unit..
Like the look of the Riot Grrl, quite fast for a Heavy Infantry with the 4-4 move. The MSV will be useful, and the Hyper-Dynamics (inferring a bonus to dodge rolls) I think will be useful on that occasion when your HI has a rocket heading their way and you know they are probably toast Quite reasonably priced I think as well! I like the idea of sending one TAG-hunting with the blitzen.
For the Sheskiin my first thought was that they are bloody expensive in pts for an armour 1, 1 wound unit. But, then I looked up some of the rules.. move 6-4 and CC 20 (although without special Martial Arts skill), the nanoscreen will make them more durable by offering cover at all times, and the Protheion skill is nasty! Being able to absorb wounds from other units up to a maximum of 3 is horrific, you definitely wouldn't want to leave any men behind for her to suck the energy from..
The Ekdomoi I can imagine being particularly effective.. Like always with the combat jump skill, they will give players who play the 'cheerleader' tactic too much a real headache, and it would be a nice sight seeing one of these guys with an HMG coming down among them, then bouncing around
McMurrough looks more or less the same? I think slightly better armour and BTS, but at the cost of 1 wound (now 2 instead of 3)?
Construct wrote:
Is it the exposed hands or the exposed arms, specifically? I'm pretty sure I've seen Landmate-style suits where the arm armour is much thicker than normal and the cylinders covering the forearms completely hide the hands as well (whilst still allowing them room to make every gesture except bending at the wrist), ameliorating a major weakness of the setup.
It's the exposed arms. I just can't wrap my head around why you will design something that'll expose a limb when it's possible to design it while protecting said limbs (evidence: other TAGs). What if you swung your robotic arms in an angle that will swipe your real arms off?
@heartsernade: I would just not put the arms on. Or even cut them off. It would look fine without.
I'm surprised the Ekodomoi doesn't at least have mimetisim. It's just a lesser ODD. But I don't mind since I'm the one shooting him Interesting hacker option too.
Construct wrote:
Is it the exposed hands or the exposed arms, specifically? I'm pretty sure I've seen Landmate-style suits where the arm armour is much thicker than normal and the cylinders covering the forearms completely hide the hands as well (whilst still allowing them room to make every gesture except bending at the wrist), ameliorating a major weakness of the setup.
It's the exposed arms. I just can't wrap my head around why you will design something that'll expose a limb when it's possible to design it while protecting said limbs (evidence: other TAGs). What if you swung your robotic arms in an angle that will swipe your real arms off?
The ones with out arms are mostly remote controlled TAGS, with no one in them. So no need for the cockpit.
Kaime: No the Garuda dose not have Super-Jump, maybe your thinking AD:CJ.
The exposed arms is a design limitation or "flaw" if you will, In Infinity TAGs are piloted with a master/ slave system, the pilot inside is in an exoskeleton that copies his or her movements (been the master) and the TAG copies the movements (been the slave), while the legs can be hidden easily in the TAGs thigh and been extra armoured, the pilots arms are considered too difficult to cover up without making the front of the TAG look bloated and impractical, because the pilot needs the space free for him to manoeuvre.
Only the most advanced TAGs, PanoCeanian that are remotely controlled and bypass the restriction by not having the pilot inside the TAG and Yu Jings Guijia and Nomads Szalamandra, who both have exceptionally large waist line, protect their pilots arms (of course maghariba guard does the same, but is not a human shaped TAG).
The fact that essentially in the human sphere, there are only two TAG manufacturers, PanO and Yu Jing and of them only PanO sells to others, means PanO dictates the technology level available to everybody else and the prise, it comes then of little surprise that a mercenary would have available to him, an old type TAG that was either decommissioned some time ago or salvaged from the battlefield, refitted and sold again.
I hope it helps a bit in explaining the reasoning of why most TAGs have little arms sticking out of them.
I fail to really see how Scarface is 'meh' in any way. It's a fairly typical TAG. I'm not a fan of TAGs in general, so perhaps that's why I'm not too enthused, but if you slap a coat of Giraldez magic onto that thing, I'm sure it'll look remarkable.
Plus, it's a Mercenary TAG, so you know it'll look great in battle-damage.
Actually I agree.. the shin armour looks the same, and the way the back pack (with 'jump vents' clearly visible) wraps over the shoulders. The biggest difference I can see is with the armoured chest and codpiece!
It's pretty mental that they sculpt at that level though.. I always assumed that they did it at 3-up scale considering the amount of detail on the models!
Absolutionis wrote:I fail to really see how Scarface is 'meh' in any way. It's a fairly typical TAG. I'm not a fan of TAGs in general, so perhaps that's why I'm not too enthused, but if you slap a coat of Giraldez magic onto that thing, I'm sure it'll look remarkable.
Plus, it's a Mercenary TAG, so you know it'll look great in battle-damage.
Maybe with damage... it'd be nice it they made build options w/ these tags. Not too keen on the pose. Its just Meh to me. For some reason I feel like something was lost between the concept and render. Not sure what it just lost some appeal. Maybe it'll look better once produced.
Yes I think it's probably better to wait for the model to appear. By their nature this kind of render is often lacking in depth and texture, and will never have the impact of a concept drawing. I seem to remember seeing a render of one of the other TAGs (perhaps one of the Pan-O ones?) and that looked similarly bland compared to the finished article.
CDK wrote:Here's another interesting thing posted by No. 33. The symbol for a new Yu Jing sectoral? Obviously including monks.
It was not originally posted by No. 33 as he just limited to copy it from the spanish forum, so there's no need for a recognition. If either way you're going to make the recognition then it's needed to specificate "posted by No. 33 who took it from one guy in the spanish forum" .
The reflections are just as teaser-obfuscated as the whiteouts.
Two of the models also appear to be completely unpainted. Considering the similarity of poses, it's probably a weapon-swap model with only a single arm painted.
Alpharius wrote:Is that T.A.G. in the picture FINALLY going to be the Raicho, or is that 'just' Scarface?
I'm beginning to think that there is a 'Raicho clock', similar to the old squat clock, that resets every time you mention that word! It's like waiting for a kettle to boil
Looking at the white-out of the big TAG, I would hypothesize that CB have taken a leaf from the 'Saints Row' computer games, and it is holding two massive sex-aids.
I know a lot of people is expecting the Raicho. I'm not that interested in the Raicho so far. I'd rather see new stuff for Ariadna. But if the Raicho mini is really good, I might still buy it.
Darn skippy you should be sorry for being an Aleph fan. _____
How much demand for the Raicho is there anyway, Alpharius? I get the impression you monkey-lovers would like a Raicho to be available for painting funsies but wouldn't actually play with a Raicho much, wot wiv de uva stuff loik bananas bein' more inerestin' dan a Raicho an' all.
it's definitely Scarface...
gun out, blade up, and twin guns on the back, just like the render...
not to mention the matching base on his homegirl right in front of him...
hopefully Angel will work his painting magic and make the sculpt look awesome...
Shared by Yasbir in the Infinity forum, pics taken from a big Tournament that happened today in Vigo, Spain.
The big white blob is indeed Scarface and Cordelia.
Looks great in my opinion, quite dynamic, also a back shot with comparison to the other recently released PanO TAGs showcasing something quite remarkable, Scarface is a Squallo class TAG, heavily modified, I wonder if it is an old prototype or cordelia rigged it from remote presence to piloted.
some other pics that slipped in from there are the Spec ops troops, there will be modifiable troops for the campaign, according to what rumours we have, a force can have only one of them and he can not be the LT.
They will be units that can be customised in campaigns and cannot be the LTs.
Its a nice compromise I guess, I personally do not like "unit upgrades" in campaigns, since it imbalances the system, but a single model, can probably be fine.
That last guy in particular with the gas mask looks ace. Also the detail on the shoulder of that TAG makes me want to weep and throw away my paint brushes for ever
Alpharius wrote:Is the new race Anti-Combined Army AND 'friendly' with Humanity?
I know to date Humanity has barely held their own vs. the CA, so it would be nice to know that there's some hope/help on the horizon?
If they were Human-friendly I guess playing against them would be silly for most armies I hope they won't be TOO friendly.
Not necessarily, as all the human factions seem to be able to find many reasons to fight each other!
To be fair:
It's not so much "We all hate each other and kill each other left and right!" like it is with 40k.
It's more "We can smile and play nice in public, while our wetworks people duke it out in the back alleys and wilderness over most issues. When that fails, I'm coming after you face to face."
There's more than enough room for segments withing a 'friendly' new Alien race to have covert aims/missions that bring them into conflict with their alleged human allies!
For August Ravage is announcing Spec-Ops for PanOceania (Indigo), Ariadna (Intel), Yu Jing (Gui Feng), Haqqislam (Husam), Nomads (Vortex) and Morats (Treitak).
Von Skyfury wrote:Taken from a post on the Infinity Forums :
For August Ravage is announcing Spec-Ops for PanOceania (Indigo), Ariadna (Intel), Yu Jing (Gui Feng), Haqqislam (Husam), Nomads (Vortex) and Morats (Treitak).
Very cool - can't wait to see how they work on the tabletop!
Absolutionis wrote:Some of those silhouettes look very feminine. I am very afraid that these aliens are going to be miscolored space elves.
I loved the Combined Army Drones; I was hoping that if there was any alien race, it'd be some sort of Jellyfish Aliens.
I really hope they're not Blue Space Elves.
The CA drones are one of the most underrated miniatures from the Infinity range, also one of the worst selling products.
I think they won't go that way.
Mass Effect style... well, that would certainly fit with the Infinity aesthetics... and also the idea of a sexy asari alien race... the CB sculptors can do that stuff perfectly.
Wasn't there a guy who made all the Mass Effect crew with Infinity conversions?
Absolutionis wrote:Some of those silhouettes look very feminine. I am very afraid that these aliens are going to be miscolored space elves.
I loved the Combined Army Drones; I was hoping that if there was any alien race, it'd be some sort of Jellyfish Aliens.
I really hope they're not Blue Space Elves.
The CA drones are one of the most underrated miniatures from the Infinity range, also one of the worst selling products.
I think they won't go that way.
I don't know why. They are fantastic figures. A bit hard to put together but so cool.
Absolutionis wrote:Some of those silhouettes look very feminine. I am very afraid that these aliens are going to be miscolored space elves.
I loved the Combined Army Drones; I was hoping that if there was any alien race, it'd be some sort of Jellyfish Aliens.
I really hope they're not Blue Space Elves.
The CA drones are one of the most underrated miniatures from the Infinity range, also one of the worst selling products.
I think they won't go that way.
I am not sure they are the worse selling products, but I will agree they are great models and nice non human "aliens".
The new faction all seem to have similar body types, the front and centre guy is presumably in whatever HI equivalent armour these guys develop. I think a "single race" alien faction would be great.
Absolutionis wrote:But they already have the mix-of-races niche (Combined Army) and the long-lost-humans-returning niche (Ariadna).
Well there was actually a lost spaceship... who knows what happened to it? They might have been alive totally lost...
I mean the second ship that was going to complete the expedition to Dawn (Ariadna's planet), that never made it.
Acording to one guy in FB: -"The second ship to Dawn (the Aurora-Dawn) was found crashed at the NiemandsZone in Paradiso.
Well... blown up, not crashed in fact."
I would have to read again the fluff but I remember something like this. That the second ship crew commmited suicide to avoid being sepsitorized by the Aliens.
Absolutionis wrote:But they already have the mix-of-races niche (Combined Army) and the long-lost-humans-returning niche (Ariadna).
Well there was actually a lost spaceship... who knows what happened to it? They might have been alive totally lost...
I mean the second ship that was going to complete the expedition to Dawn (Ariadna's planet), that never made it.
Acording to one guy in FB: -"The second ship to Dawn (the Aurora-Dawn) was found crashed at the NiemandsZone in Paradiso.
Well... blown up, not crashed in fact."
I would have to read again the fluff but I remember something like this. That the second ship crew commmited suicide to avoid being sepsitorized by the Aliens.
I never read that o_O But well, I haven't read all the pieces of fluff in the books. I don't remember it in the Ariadna's sections of both books, anyway.
Absolutionis wrote:But they already have the mix-of-races niche (Combined Army) and the long-lost-humans-returning niche (Ariadna).
Well there was actually a lost spaceship... who knows what happened to it? They might have been alive totally lost...
I mean the second ship that was going to complete the expedition to Dawn (Ariadna's planet), that never made it.
it fortunately or unfortunately made it to Paradiso, crashed near Zulu point in niemands zone and was the first humans to be discovered by the EI drone on the planet, they were the first to understand the threat the Combined posed to the human race and the first to sacrifice themselves their mass suicide is an enigma tot e sphere, they either did it to prevent the probe from activating or because what they found in the up probe was too terrible for them to handle.
Absolutionis wrote:But they already have the mix-of-races niche (Combined Army) and the long-lost-humans-returning niche (Ariadna).
Well there was actually a lost spaceship... who knows what happened to it? They might have been alive totally lost...
I mean the second ship that was going to complete the expedition to Dawn (Ariadna's planet), that never made it.
it fortunately or unfortunately made it to Paradiso, crashed near Zulu point in niemands zone and was the first humans to be discovered by the EI drone on the planet, they were the first to understand the threat the Combined posed to the human race and the first to sacrifice themselves their mass suicide is an enigma tot e sphere, they either did it to prevent the probe from activating or because what they found in the up probe was too terrible for them to handle.
The crew of Aurora are the the first victims.
Yes I loved that bit of background, really enigmatic (and scary) !
We've seen the video saying '3rd August', does that mean that the information on the book is going to be released then presumably, rather than the actual book itself being released?
We've seen the video saying '3rd August', does that mean that the information on the book is going to be released then presumably, rather than the actual book itself being released?
Most likely, the date of release and maybe the start of preordering.
It is not a Jotumn, its a Squallo, the basic TAG that the Dragao and Jotum is build (expanded? modified?) upon, heavily modified to be piloted and not remotely controlled, now any of the two mentioned TAGs would work as a base for conversion, but you would need a lot of work to do so.
PsychoticStorm wrote:It is not a Jotumn, its a Squallo, the basic TAG that the Dragao and Jotum is build (expanded? modified?) upon, heavily modified to be piloted and not remotely controlled, now any of the two mentioned TAGs would work as a base for conversion, but you would need a lot of work to do so.
No I meant the jotum. I guess its is kinda OT to ask. I'm thinking of mixing parts between the 2. (Scarface/Jotum)
I was wondering how many parts the Jotum is in.
I go by Lord Shiva S.S.S. on the infinity forum. Mainly do converts on models like the 4 armed Achilles and the Squating Deva I'm thinking I could make a crazy TAG from kit bashing those 2.
I just wonder how they break down..kinda OT sorry
Absolutionis wrote:Some of those silhouettes look very feminine. I am very afraid that these aliens are going to be miscolored space elves.
I loved the Combined Army Drones; I was hoping that if there was any alien race, it'd be some sort of Jellyfish Aliens.
I really hope they're not Blue Space Elves.
The CA drones are one of the most underrated miniatures from the Infinity range, also one of the worst selling products.
I think they won't go that way.
Blargh.
And that Daktari is often cited as being one of the best-selling (I wonder if that's still true).
I guess we really are going to be seeing blue space elves...
PsychoticStorm wrote:It is not a Jotumn, its a Squallo, the basic TAG that the Dragao and Jotum is build (expanded? modified?) upon, heavily modified to be piloted and not remotely controlled, now any of the two mentioned TAGs would work as a base for conversion, but you would need a lot of work to do so.
No I meant the jotum. I guess its is kinda OT to ask. I'm thinking of mixing parts between the 2. (Scarface/Jotum)
I was wondering how many parts the Jotum is in.
I go by Lord Shiva S.S.S. on the infinity forum. Mainly do converts on models like the 4 armed Achilles and the Squating Deva I'm thinking I could make a crazy TAG from kit bashing those 2.
I just wonder how they break down..kinda OT sorry
From the look of it, it should be hard to use the Jotums upper torso parts without some extensive conversion, but the shields and the shin-guards should be easy to use, not sure about the shoulder pads, but if scarface has separate shoulderpads and I think he has from te looks of it, it should be no problem to use them.
Absolutionis wrote:
BobbaFett wrote:
Absolutionis wrote:Some of those silhouettes look very feminine. I am very afraid that these aliens are going to be miscolored space elves.
I loved the Combined Army Drones; I was hoping that if there was any alien race, it'd be some sort of Jellyfish Aliens.
I really hope they're not Blue Space Elves.
The CA drones are one of the most underrated miniatures from the Infinity range, also one of the worst selling products.
I think they won't go that way.
Blargh.
And that Daktari is often cited as being one of the best-selling (I wonder if that's still true).
I guess we really are going to be seeing blue space elves...
Daktari is a best seller according to CB, so I do not know if it could be more official than that, it is worth noting that even though a new daktari has been introduced the old one remains for purchase.
Absolutionis wrote:Some of those silhouettes look very feminine. I am very afraid that these aliens are going to be miscolored space elves.
I loved the Combined Army Drones; I was hoping that if there was any alien race, it'd be some sort of Jellyfish Aliens.
I really hope they're not Blue Space Elves.
The CA drones are one of the most underrated miniatures from the Infinity range, also one of the worst selling products.
I think they won't go that way.
Blargh.
And that Daktari is often cited as being one of the best-selling (I wonder if that's still true).
I guess we really are going to be seeing blue space elves...
Well, they could be purple space elves.
I personally don't get the feeling that they will be elves. The picture makes me think of Starfox.
The reason you see those deformed or extention based bases in infinity is because with the density of terrain it gets VERY hard to maneuver large base sizes. The bases with extensions avoids unnecessary base space to optimize movement while not giving up the badarse pose.
Kroothawk wrote:Scarface is putting deformed bases to a new level.
Yeah. It's very likely I'll grab the model, since I want a TAG and the Haqqislam spider of still hasn't grown on me, but I feel like I'll just end up throwing it on a 60mm base and be done with it. Not a fan of deformed bases.
That machete looks odd. Conversion is definitely in order. Maybe the grip depicted in the artwork (blade down) would be better.
And now, something slightly OT here:
I just want to thank those who are posting rumors for Infinity here on Dakka. As much as I love the CB boards, they're not really the best place for rumors. Being CB's own territory, posting leaked material there seems a bit rude and/or vulnerable to mod censure. Good thing we've got Dakka! Also, having them all in one thread here really helps.
So here's a big thanks to the rumor-posters moving stuff to here from the various-language CB boards!
For the last four years, Corvus Belli prices have been frozen, despite a constant rise in production costs, due to deference towards our customers. As we have kept to our policy of continual quality increase, this price freeze has been a great effort we cannot sustain. Due the increase of production costs, from September 1st we will update the prices of our products.
This update has been tailored to keep our products as competitive as possible, keeping them below the average prices of the market, despite the fact we are offering the highest quality miniatures.
Moreover, to help organized play by gamers, we have decided to expand our Tournament Packs catalogue, severely reducing the cost of organizing an Official Tournament. These Tournament Packs are now available and are as follows:
Classic Tournament Pack
This is the Tournament Pack already known by everybody. This includes miniatures, patches, pins and an exclusive optically engraved crystal trophy. Its price is 39,95€ plus shipping costs.
Low Cost Tournament Pack
This Tournament Pack has been specifically designed for those countries where the shipping of the trophy increased the final price too much. This Pack includes the same content as the Classic Tournament Pack, replacing the trophy with a diploma, reducing the cost of the pack and also the shipping. Its price is 24,95€ plus shipping costs.
Virtual Tournament Pack
This is the best Tournament Pack option for those organizers who prefer to deal with the prizes for the Tournament themselves. This is a totally virtual Tournament Pack with the same ITS Points value as the Packs previously mentioned. This Pack is sent by e-mail, avoiding shipping costs. Its price is 14,95€.
Mini Tournament Pack
This is a virtual Tournament Pack specifically designed for small tournaments up to 4 players, the best option for group of friends or associations whose player community is still growing. This Pack is also sent by e-mail, reducing the costs to the minimum. Its price is 5,95€.
Games Workshop switched all their metals over to plastic-resin (and raised the price regardless).
Privateer Press once bragged about having all-metal models yet switched over to plastic-resin.
Wyrd Miniatures is in the process of making all their once-metal miniatures a hard plastic.
It seems that Corvus Belli is not immune to the rising costs of metal.
Pity.
Do you fellow dakkaites know any store in San Francisco wich sells Infinity stuff? I've been able to find Endgame in Oakland in Dakka's store finder, but I wonder if there is any other closer to SF?
Thanks!!
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I'm guessing this store is ok? Gamescape San Francisco
333 Divisadero St San Francisco, Ca 94134 Phone: 415/621-4263
Not a problem - when I lived in San Francisco, Gamescape was my FLGS. I live about 1.5 hours south of there now, but it's an easy phone call, still. Good luck getting what you need there.
Death By Monkeys wrote:Not a problem - when I lived in San Francisco, Gamescape was my FLGS. I live about 1.5 hours south of there now, but it's an easy phone call, still. Good luck getting what you need there.
Thank you very much it's not for me actually, a buddy needed some help, and helped us both a lot. Thanks!
Definitely need to spend some time dissecting that video, there were some really cool (but very fast) snapshots of some interesting things. And is it sad that I'm kind of excited by those futuristic looking plant pots at the end of the video?
Good thinking Jah-Joshua, I think you might be spot on there !
There is a really creepy vibe about the new aliens, I think more so even than the Combined Army. Not sure if its the paint job, with the facial shadows and fallow skin tone, but they remind me a little bit of that evil alien (the one that dresses in leather) from the series Farscape?
I think it's more because they are much more closer to looking human, Pacific. Human, but not quite. That disturbs us humans on a certain level because it reflects on us: I mean, look at all the monsters in mythology that we fear the most. We're more scared of vampires, werewolves, zombies and ghosts because they are or once was part or full human. No one is scared of dragons and sea serpents even though they're bigger and much more dangerous.
3rd Paradiso war? This book is going to be a "Yes to all". Yes, a new race; yes, a Greek sectorial; yes, campaign; yes, scenarios; yes, it's the 3rd Paradiso war; yes, it's...
Edit: seeing the PanO Spec Ops being named Angus almost kills me. Poor guy is not gonna make it through the campaign
heartserenade wrote:I think it's more because they are much more closer to looking human, Pacific. Human, but not quite. That disturbs us humans on a certain level because it reflects on us: I mean, look at all the monsters in mythology that we fear the most. We're more scared of vampires, werewolves, zombies and ghosts because they are or once was part or full human. No one is scared of dragons and sea serpents even though they're bigger and much more dangerous.
The term for it is the "uncanny valley."
Not a huge fan of the new faction so far, but I'll have to see more/learn more before I cast any final judgement.
What I'm really interested in is the Spec Ops. I'll admit that I haven't been keeping as up to date as I should be, but I guess it's fairly obvious that they'll be characters that grow through campaigns. The artwork looks great for them so far.
They are a great combination of elves, vampires, and zombies. The open mouths and skin color make me think of vampires. The awkward pose of the third model from the left reminds me of a zombie.
Again I am blown away by Corvus Belli and Infinity as a whole! At first I wasn't sure what to think about this new sectoral, but after seeing these close ups, they are really excellent! Loads of character as usual. Keep it up Corvus Belli!
An Alien race that looks very humanoid......I can see why CB have done this, but they just look like a cross between Nomads and Aleph......don't get me wrong, they look cool an all, but I'm kinda "meh'" on the whole concept....
I get the feeling they might help humanity, as in having a common enemy in the form of the CA, but I don't think they're the type you would invite round for a cup of tea!
These are the aliens they reminded me of when I first saw them..
A cross between those and the weird 'we're evil raarrrrghh' hobo-type alien race in Mass Effect..
These pictures have sold me even more on the Tohaa.
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Yeah I like them, and as a person who first moved into Infinity because it reminded him of Mass Effect, these are really great.
In fact I'm here thinking, do some Human head swaps, bit of conversion work and knock up some Alliance troops... gravy.
The similarity of their gear with the Nomad Nation's cannot be a coincidence.
Not impressed. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with them in technical terms, but the design seems rather, well, uninspired. Slender humans with sideburns? Okay...
I'll still be getting the females, especially the cloaked one, but so far, nothing really screams BUY ME NOW!
The 1st and 3rd models from the left seem to have a Nomads-like symbol on their left shoulder.
However, the 2nd and 4th models seem to have an Aleph-like symbol on their right and left shoulders respectively. The 2nd one especially looks like it's wearing the Aleph symbol itself with orange dots.
Either way, the weapons are completely unique. New faction, clearly.
Their most common weapons are all being fired one-handed.
Maybe their faction won't have Rifles as the "standard" weapon.
Pistols and close combat weapons?! Perhaps roll number of dice equal to attacks, a sword will let you force your opponent to re-roll one dice, and a 1 is a fumble?
The more I look at those models the more I want them... the robot thing with the 'ears' in particular is fricking awesome..
Not super exciting. Was hoping for something as removed from the human spheres as the Combined just in a different way.
These just look like nice Nomad models.
People are too demanding with CB, i remember to anyone who didn't know it, that they are a very small company (specially when compared with others leviathans of the miniature market, like GW, PP or even Mantic...), and they make probably some of the best models around the world... Besides that, they make the rules, the models, the metal copies, and they deal really in a good manner with all the fans. Or at least, it's my humble opinion...
Anyway, i like a LOT the new race. Actually, i think the Tohaa starter pack will be the only one of all of them which i actually like all the models. And the book will be EPIC.
BTW, the trailer was so amazing that i'm still like this
(To GW and FW - THAT's the way to make a proper teaser/trailer )
Kanluwen wrote:The more I look at the Tohaa, the more I like them.
Same. Ive been looking for a second race, and the CA is just to scattered (though that's obviously intentional). Might have to grab a Tohaa starter when they release.
BrookM wrote:Nice trailer, could've done without the animated minis though.
That's actually what I really liked about the trailer. I'd love to see GW incorporate something like that into theirs.
Honestly, the animated minis were kinda silly.
If they'd done it nice and simple, I'd have liked it more.
-Loki- wrote:Same. Ive been looking for a second race, and the CA is just to scattered (though that's obviously intentional). Might have to grab a Tohaa starter when they release.
I'm thinking I'll have to practice painting white for the Tohaa.
I like the animating stuff when the camera is moving and not the miniatures.
By the way, the moving miniatures are perfoming actions... I think that if there is no movement, just static figures it is almost impossible to make an action trailer.
I think this was conceived as a "movie trailer" but with miniatures. There are lots of limitations.
Love the TOHAA.
Love the Spec Ops.
Love the guy with the hammer.
Love the way they are promoting their stuff.
Tohaa aren't lighting a fire for me, but I don't mind that they're there. The models are good, the designs fit with Infinity, and contrary to popular opinion I don't think they look too much like the other factions. Personally, I'm relieved they aren't just making not-Eldar because I want to see CB continue to stand up on their own merits and because if there's anything that really grinds my gears, it's anime elves.
It's probably for the best that I'm not into the Tohaa, because at this point if I get into Infinity I think it will be hard for me not to buy every other faction.
JOHIRA wrote:Tohaa aren't lighting a fire for me, but I don't mind that they're there. The models are good, the designs fit with Infinity, and contrary to popular opinion I don't think they look too much like the other factions.
Bear in mind, it's likely the color scheme. But to me...the equipment is definitely Nomad with some tweaking.
Personally, I'm relieved they aren't just making not-Eldar because I want to see CB continue to stand up on their own merits and because if there's anything that really grinds my gears, it's anime elves.
When Aliens look more human than some Nomads (wearing almost the same cloths), something is wrong. Took me a while to understand that these are the new Alien fraction. This clearly is a missed chance IMHO.
Kroothawk wrote:When Aliens look more human than some Nomads (wearing almost the same cloths), something is wrong. Took me a while to understand that these are the new Alien fraction. This clearly is a missed chance IMHO.
The "missed chance" is a bit too early to say, in my opinion Kroothawk.
For you His Master's Voice (can I call you HMV? ), but I think the response so far has generally been positive!
I agree there is definitely a gap there for a more 'alien' alien, but perhaps that will come in the future? The game universe for Infinity is not static, and there is nothing to stop them saying "actually, both of these guys were running from an alien menace in their own galaxy, far more terrible!" *drum beat - dum dum dum* Although that would be kind of cheesy, I'm sure if someone took some time with it they could come up with something better!
I think a possiblity for the new aliens is being overlooked. It looks to me like they have a techno-organic infection like origin. It would explain why the models look like exisiting factions. They are the first contact infection, as it spreads, they gain resources and will be able to produce the specialized units they need, includeing their named personalities.
Oh ya, long time lurker that just had to throw this out there to fan the speculation
Kanluwen wrote:I'll wait to see the background on them.
What for? The visuals either work or they don't, no amount of background info will change that.
I'm thinking more along the lines of potential links between the Nomad Nation and Tohaa, why they're humanoid and how they came to be what they are, etc.
Kromac wrote:I think a possiblity for the new aliens is being overlooked. It looks to me like they have a techno-organic infection like origin. It would explain why the models look like exisiting factions. They are the first contact infection, as it spreads, they gain resources and will be able to produce the specialized units they need, includeing their named personalities.
Oh ya, long time lurker that just had to throw this out there to fan the speculation
Welcome.
We are glad to have you here, and if you ever need an extra gun, give me a call. As long as you can pay.
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Kanluwen wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:I'll wait to see the background on them.
What for? The visuals either work or they don't, no amount of background info will change that.
I'm thinking more along the lines of potential links between the Nomad Nation and Tohaa, why they're humanoid and how they came to be what they are, etc.
Maybe they aren't even Alien, what if they are Test Tube Nomads?
Kromac wrote:I think a possiblity for the new aliens is being overlooked. It looks to me like they have a techno-organic infection like origin. It would explain why the models look like exisiting factions. They are the first contact infection, as it spreads, they gain resources and will be able to produce the specialized units they need, includeing their named personalities.
Oh ya, long time lurker that just had to throw this out there to fan the speculation
Actually, that's a great idea!
Or else there is an Alien species that is able to co-opt other aliens to their own will. Not like the CA, who allow other races to fight for them if they add something (like the Morat perhaps), but perhaps done through some weird nano-virus which takes control of them?
Or T.O.H.A.A. is a Nomad experiment gone wrong. They don't trust Aleph, and make their own "illegal" AI"s. A rogue Nomad AI virus that was originally made to go after Aleph but now has it's own agenda would also explain the Nomad/Aleph looking staring models...
The Tohaa Trigon is an alien race that the Combined Army has had run ins with before coming to Paradiso, in other words not a Nomad experiment. It's in the rulebook in the CA section.
I hate to say it but I really don't like the Vampire-Fishmen... the guy in armor is cool but none of the other models do it for me. I do like all the other stuff I've seen though so I might buy the book...
in the video the Nomad spec op changes his weapon... some where some how it looks to be interactive. this custom character thing is sick give me a good reason to make more custom models...
Kroothawk wrote:When Aliens look more human than some Nomads (wearing almost the same cloths), something is wrong. Took me a while to understand that these are the new Alien fraction. This clearly is a missed chance IMHO.
What are the background on these guys? I like the look of the models, and I'm always keen on aquatic aliens (though no wargame is going to give me sea serpents and dolphins as a race, I suspect). However, I do wish that Infinity would use another colour than white for their models - I know that it looks good, but I'd just like to see how they could look if painted in dark colours (which are the colours that I'd likely use, after all).
Trying to create a "credible" alien species must be a massive task, I mean, ignoring all of the "sales" aspect of the process, that is, creating something that, essentially, humans will want to buy and associate with, there are the practical aspects that make it difficult.
Let's say you start wit a home world, and you create an environment that itself is alien or at least different to an Earth like environment, gravity, water, oxygen, you mix these things up or delete them entirely to create this other world. The you have to imagine how or what the drivers would have been that actually came about to bring this new species to "life", how did they develop historically, anthropologically etc, what shaped their perception of their environment (and the surrounding universe)...and the list of possibilities are practically endless.
Look at Earth, look at the staggering amount of different species on this planet alone, and how different they are from humans, not just in looks but also in mentality.....and that's just Earth, imagine now the variance that MUST exist in the Galaxy and then the Universe!!!
Although I think CB could have been a bit more inventive with this new "Alien" race, in the end I can fully sympathise with what they did. It's the reason why settings like Dune just said "screw that" and imagined a future where the galaxy is pretty much peopled by humans and human derivations....in alot of ways that not only makes sense, but seems highly probable. I would imagine that for every 100,000,000,000 star systems, you might find a "non earth based" lifeform, and of the same ratio of non earth based lifeforms probably a minute fraction of those may have intelligence to be able to explore the galaxy in a way comparible or more or less advanced than we (humans) can......and I'm probably being generous with my figures
From sakurazuka38 of the Infinity Forum news from Ravage
The pilot of scarface is named Joe and it's the brother of cordelia who is a great engineer and the boss of the team. Joe is a junkie addicted to a combat drug called grade 5. They were trained by yujing instructors, the tag is from panoceanie and they wrok as mercenary for several organisations.
In game they will be available for the qapu khalqi and corregidor sectorials! They will be also available for all the factions except Combined army (but i think not in official tournament).
And it seems that we won't have a mercenary faction!
Some parts of the past of joe will reappear during the book campaign and will have some big consequencies!
You realise you can make a 'Mercenary' faction, right? You don't need CB to give you a special permission, it is already right there in the rules. In fact, I think it's a great way of coming up with some really characterful forces.
Pacific wrote:You realise you can make a 'Mercenary' faction, right? You don't need CB to give you a special permission, it is already right there in the rules. In fact, I think it's a great way of coming up with some really characterful forces.
While this is true, and it's what I was already planning on doing, I would much rather have a force that is:
A) Tourney Legal
B) Unified
C) Actually Mercs instead of a conglomeration of everything else in the game.
I would much rather play Pure Mercs than just a bit o everything.
Pacific wrote:You realise you can make a 'Mercenary' faction, right? You don't need CB to give you a special permission, it is already right there in the rules. In fact, I think it's a great way of coming up with some really characterful forces.
Yep, you are right on that. But Mercs armies are not allowed for ITS, and some people were expecting that kind of "legalization".
It's also bound to be unbalanced, just mashing units from different factions together. A 'pure' merc force could have been balanced.
Pretty obvious that mercs weren't getting their own faction when they showed the Tohaa. Two factions in one book would be crazy.
Delephont wrote:Trying to create a "credible" alien species must be a massive task, I mean, ignoring all of the "sales" aspect of the process, that is, creating something that, essentially, humans will want to buy and associate with, there are the practical aspects that make it difficult
It really is. GW did an interview in the new design they had for the Tyranids when they launched for 3rd edition, and went intohowthey created a physiology for the race and how it needed to carry through all bioforms from rippers to hive tyrants. You can see how they've kept doing it and included FW in the process with the new large models borrowing heavily from the Heirophant.
Not that I'm belittling the Tohaa, I really like them. But the amount of effort that goes into making a cohesive non-humanoid range of alien models is a lot more than people think.
Hindenburg wrote:It's also bound to be unbalanced, just mashing units from different factions together. A 'pure' merc force could have been balanced.
Pretty obvious that mercs weren't getting their own faction when they showed the Tohaa. Two factions in one book would be crazy.
Yeah, I addressed that in my letter: "There were rumors of Merc forces being legalized floating around, but I fear that just couldn't be possible with the inclusion of the Tohaa. As such I was wondering, are there any plans of showing the Mercs some love?"
Out of interest, how were the very first concepts/mini pics of the Aleph received when they first appeared? I didn't play back then, but was just interested in drawing a comparison of how people think about the new and unknown.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Truely Alien Aliens would be a problem to depict.
Why announce something alien, when you don't intent to do something alien?
"Alien" does not necessarily mean that it will be something completely wild. When commonly used as an adjective--as it was in this case, the term "alien" is used to describe something "strange" or "unfamiliar to common sensibilities".
I'm pretty sure that seeing as how we do not know even the most rudimentary basics of the Tohaa's background at the moment, it's a wee bit early for doomsaying.
And I want it on the record that I hate having to be the voice of reason and calm here.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Truely Alien Aliens would be a problem to depict.
Why announce something alien, when you don't intent to do something alien?
"Alien" does not necessarily mean that it will be something completely wild. When commonly used as an adjective--as it was in this case, the term "alien" is used to describe something "strange" or "unfamiliar to common sensibilities".
I'm pretty sure that seeing as how we do not know even the most rudimentary basics of the Tohaa's background at the moment, it's a wee bit early for doomsaying.
And I want it on the record that I hate having to be the voice of reason and calm here.
They have fething gills, how much more alien do they have to be?
The preorders of the book will have a free miniature, of GoGo Marlene, a "TV star" in the fluff.
They are updating the websites. This BoW Infinity Week has again starter packs, this time with a 25% discount. Some packs are the same than last year, others are slightly different. The "nd edition Rulebook and Human Sphere are offered together with a 50% discount, like last year.
The preorders of the book will have a free miniature, of GoGo Marlene, a "TV star" in the fluff.
They are updating the websites. This BoW Infinity Week has again starter packs, this time with a 25% discount. Some packs are the same than last year, others are slightly different. The "nd edition Rulebook and Human Sphere are offered together with a 50% discount, like last year.
Hmmm... I suppose it's nigh impossible to pre-order in the US, right? Or anyone have ay experience in other pre-orders of ordering from outside of Europe?
Kroothawk wrote:
Why announce something alien, when you don't intent to do something alien?
They never announced 'anything', specially never announced anything about aliens...
And about the aliens-that-seem-too-human thing, i repeat again that all the people complaining are being just too demanding or unfair with CB... Great films, series, videogames, comics, etc. have showed 'aliens' that are really close in their appearance with humans. There are a lot of examples of them: Star Wars, Star Trek, Stargate, etc. Just google any sci-fi thing that you could remember and it will have those kind of aliens.
That's because these kind of aliens are the most similar to humans, and the watchers and customers will like them more than something more 'scientifically realistic'. Besides that, it's easier to do the make-up, rendering and everything with something that is 'almost human' than with something utterly different.
BTW, Kroothawk, it seems that everything that any company does or makes, (that is not GW it seems), is bad or 'not good enough' for you. If you always think the same, please you know that is not neccesary to share it... Sometimes is quite annoying...
EDIT: Awesome!
FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU the book goes out in September! :(:(:(
Well, i think is the same of all months. New stuff announced on the month X is actually released and available the month X+1, if i explain myself So if they announce that this month, the actual release date will be September, as always
Delephont wrote:Trying to create a "credible" alien species must be a massive task, I mean, ignoring all of the "sales" aspect of the process, that is, creating something that, essentially, humans will want to buy and associate with, there are the practical aspects that make it difficult
It really is. GW did an interview in the new design they had for the Tyranids when they launched for 3rd edition, and went intohowthey created a physiology for the race and how it needed to carry through all bioforms from rippers to hive tyrants. You can see how they've kept doing it and included FW in the process with the new large models borrowing heavily from the Heirophant.
Not that I'm belittling the Tohaa, I really like them. But the amount of effort that goes into making a cohesive non-humanoid range of alien models is a lot more than people think.
Personally while I love Tyranids as a concept, I do not view the hivemind as a sophisticated non human alien society, but as a cheap way to escape creating one, there is no explanation either on their structure, how they evolved, how such a bizarre race ever come into existence, just some creatures that are vaguely aesthetically connected together, without any real background to support them, the Genestealers of 1st/ second edition while having a ridiculous background, as I view any alien inspired background (it has more logical holes than a net), it was inspired and fascinating and had a believable (if somewhat flawed) circle of life and purpose, its kind of sad they axed them.
back on topic, I believe to make a non human looking alien with really alien mindset, yes you need not only extreme research, but also odd inspiration, because you have to create something that simply has not been discovered yet and everything about it is anyone's guess, does an advanced civilization needs to have tool manipulative arms? can a pure water-world produce intelligent space faring life? or they will be planet locked because of their dependence? is mathematics something every intelligent race discovers?
making human looking aliens is easier, because you skip many questions that need to be addressed.
Buzzsaw wrote:Hmmm... I suppose it's nigh impossible to pre-order in the US, right? Or anyone have ay experience in other pre-orders of ordering from outside of Europe?
I don't know. I guess it's possible. I remember Kanluwen said he had ordered at least one of the books directly to them. And I think the discounts of the Infinity Week were well used by Americans. But I don't really know for sure how it worked for you guys, sorry :\
Hoarmurel wrote:
FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU the book goes out in September! :(:(:(
Well, i think is the same of all months. New stuff announced on the month X is actually released and available the month X+1, if i explain myself So if they announce that this month, the actual release date will be September, as always
Huh, you are quite right on this. I was thinking of the end of September like "oh no, we still have the whole summer in the middle". But yeah, it's about a month and a half, you kinda gave me a 50% discount on my waiting time Well thought!
Buzzsaw wrote:Hmmm... I suppose it's nigh impossible to pre-order in the US, right? Or anyone have ay experience in other pre-orders of ordering from outside of Europe?
I don't know. I guess it's possible. I remember Kanluwen said he had ordered at least one of the books directly to them. And I think the discounts of the Infinity Week were well used by Americans. But I don't really know for sure how it worked for you guys, sorry :\
I'll field this one then!
When I ordered from them directly, they basically suggested that I go and instead order from a US based retailer simply because of the fact that the shipping costs would be atrocious.
They did, however, upon my confirming that I wanted to order direct from them add a sweet poster with quick start rules on it and have the entire design staff sign the book.
Buzzsaw wrote:Hmmm... I suppose it's nigh impossible to pre-order in the US, right? Or anyone have ay experience in other pre-orders of ordering from outside of Europe?
I don't know. I guess it's possible. I remember Kanluwen said he had ordered at least one of the books directly to them. And I think the discounts of the Infinity Week were well used by Americans. But I don't really know for sure how it worked for you guys, sorry :\
I'll field this one then!
When I ordered from them directly, they basically suggested that I go and instead order from a US based retailer simply because of the fact that the shipping costs would be atrocious.
They did, however, upon my confirming that I wanted to order direct from them add a sweet poster with quick start rules on it and have the entire design staff sign the book.
Hah, how accommodating! Hmmm, something to ponder... I imagine the book will be available from the Warstore and so on, but given their skill, I should like to get my grubby mitts on that LE miniature. I suppose I'd best drop them a line and see what is to be done...
Buzzsaw wrote:Hmmm... I suppose it's nigh impossible to pre-order in the US, right? Or anyone have ay experience in other pre-orders of ordering from outside of Europe?
I don't know. I guess it's possible. I remember Kanluwen said he had ordered at least one of the books directly to them. And I think the discounts of the Infinity Week were well used by Americans. But I don't really know for sure how it worked for you guys, sorry :\
I'll field this one then!
When I ordered from them directly, they basically suggested that I go and instead order from a US based retailer simply because of the fact that the shipping costs would be atrocious.
They did, however, upon my confirming that I wanted to order direct from them add a sweet poster with quick start rules on it and have the entire design staff sign the book.
Hah, how accommodating! Hmmm, something to ponder... I imagine the book will be available from the Warstore and so on, but given their skill, I should like to get my grubby mitts on that LE miniature. I suppose I'd best drop them a line and see what is to be done...
To give you an idea:
Spoiler:
That's how accommodating they were at the time.
I don't know if they still will be as accommodating, given that they seem to be under a hefty crunch...but they were definitely up there with a few of the better companies I've dealt with.
Kanluwen wrote:What retailers are going to be having those deals?
I think it's exclusive to their online store. At least, the previous Infinity Week was.
Edit:
Ok, now I'm not that sure. It doesn't say anything about the Starter Packs, but at least the Campaign Book preorder LE mini should be available in all the Infinity retailers:
This offer is also available in all stores that sell Infinity, but the availability of exclusive figures is subject to the store’s discretion.
Delephont wrote:Trying to create a "credible" alien species must be a massive task, I mean, ignoring all of the "sales" aspect of the process, that is, creating something that, essentially, humans will want to buy and associate with, there are the practical aspects that make it difficult
It really is. GW did an interview in the new design they had for the Tyranids when they launched for 3rd edition, and went intohowthey created a physiology for the race and how it needed to carry through all bioforms from rippers to hive tyrants. You can see how they've kept doing it and included FW in the process with the new large models borrowing heavily from the Heirophant.
Not that I'm belittling the Tohaa, I really like them. But the amount of effort that goes into making a cohesive non-humanoid range of alien models is a lot more than people think.
Personally while I love Tyranids as a concept, I do not view the hivemind as a sophisticated non human alien society, but as a cheap way to escape creating one, there is no explanation either on their structure, how they evolved, how such a bizarre race ever come into existence, just some creatures that are vaguely aesthetically connected together, without any real background to support them, the Genestealers of 1st/ second edition while having a ridiculous background, as I view any alien inspired background (it has more logical holes than a net), it was inspired and fascinating and had a believable (if somewhat flawed) circle of life and purpose, its kind of sad they axed them.
I wasn't talking about fluff anywhere in my post. I was answering a post about visual design of aliens being hard when they're not humanoid with a reference to GW talking about the same thing when tackling the same problem with the usual design of the Tyranids.
-Loki- wrote:
I wasn't talking about fluff anywhere in my post. I was answering a post about visual design of aliens being hard when they're not humanoid with a reference to GW talking about the same thing when tackling the same problem with the usual design of the Tyranids.
Fluff had nothing to do with either post.
Ah, my bad and failed reading comprehension on my part then, sorry.
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Kanluwen wrote:What retailers are going to be having those deals?
Given precedence it will be exclusive tot he online store, the book offer on the other hand, is available to all stores it seems.
This offer is also available in all stores that sell Infinity, but the availability of exclusive figures is subject to the store’s discretion.
Well, given that these "deals" are essentially a Starter box with a few extras added in--I'm sure some other enterprising retailers might give them a go.
Kanluwen wrote:What retailers are going to be having those deals?
I think it's exclusive to their online store. At least, the previous Infinity Week was.
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Ok, now I'm not that sure. It doesn't say anything about the Starter Packs, but at least the Campaign Book preorder LE mini should be available in all the Infinity retailers:
This offer is also available in all stores that sell Infinity, but the availability of exclusive figures is subject to the store’s discretion.
Not sure if I want to drop the pre order for that. Ill be buying the book anyway though. It's releasing just before my birthday, maybe I can get the missus to pre order it for my birthday.
Kanluwen wrote:Well, given that these "deals" are essentially a Starter box with a few extras added in--I'm sure some other enterprising retailers might give them a go.
Shae-Konnit has put together a few "starter" deals before so more people certainly could. Buying in bulk is fun.
-DE- wrote:Weren't there supposed to never be any Limited Edition miniatures for Infinity from CB?
Who said that? They have already had a limited edition miniature for the Battlefoam large army case. I believe they were limited to 70, which is really f-king limited
Given CB audience, I really don't see the point in producing LE minis, I mean people will be snapping this book up left, right and centre, you only really put out a LE to sweeten the deal.....this might actually piss a few people off as thiskind of marketing really doesn't suit the image CB has put out so far.
-DE- wrote:Weren't there supposed to never be any Limited Edition miniatures for Infinity from CB?
Who said that? They have already had a limited edition miniature for the Battlefoam large army case. I believe they were limited to 70, which is really f-king limited
Given CB audience, I really don't see the point in producing LE minis, I mean people will be snapping this book up left, right and centre, you only really put out a LE to sweeten the deal.....this might actually piss a few people off as thiskind of marketing really doesn't suit the image CB has put out so far.
That's precisely why I said "from CB", BF mini was BF.
Playable or not, the long-standing tradition of CB was "no LE"... at least until now. And the reason why some companies don't produce LE is that it pisses your fanbase off and doesn't generate much income if any if you account for PR damage. PP don't do LE and I respect them for that. I respected CB for not going down this route, but it's no longer the case. What happens if I don't pre-order the book now (for, say, lack of funds) or it's not available in my country at all? Pay $100 for it a couple months later? Why? Why not make it a general release in, say, half a year after the book is released, so that fans still have an incentive to pre-order (get the mini ahead of everyone else)?
When BF did it, I was annoyed, but I told myself: "well, it's technically BF, not CB." But now? I honestly think LE are a blight on the wargaming community and do more bad than good, and am said to see another company go LE. I wanted to pre-order the book just for the fluff (I don't play Infinity), but now I won't buy it at all. I simply don't feel like supporting a company that does the LEbs.
While I understand the problems that a LE gaming mini causes(potential access to a unit your opponant will never have, even worse it it has great special rules)
I just don't see the problem for stuff that is just 'eye candy' or indeed an alternate sculpt of a gaming piece
Remember moulds and masters wear out eventually (or it may turn out they miscast too often to be profitable) so figures may have to be retired. That effectivly makes them LE (although the numbers made may be high)
You also have to contend with licences, a company may sell a figure for a while but then loose the licence. They can no longer sell that figure, so it becomes, de-facto, limited.
In this case the figure is just a nice bonus for early adopters, not a nesessity
and I imagine they also hope to drive direct sales which are far more profitable than selling to a distributor. This will help their bottom line, enabling the company to prosper, and release more models/rules.
you may not change your mind (and you're perfectly entitled to your opinion), but I think you risk missing out by flatly refusing to buy from companies that ever release a LE figure
-DE- wrote:
Playable or not, the long-standing tradition of CB was "no LE"... at least until now. And the reason why some companies don't produce LE is that it pisses your fanbase off and doesn't generate much income if any if you account for PR damage. PP don't do LE and I respect them for that. I respected CB for not going down this route, but it's no longer the case. What happens if I don't pre-order the book now (for, say, lack of funds) or it's not available in my country at all? Pay $100 for it a couple months later? Why? Why not make it a general release in, say, half a year after the book is released, so that fans still have an incentive to pre-order (get the mini ahead of everyone else)?
When BF did it, I was annoyed, but I told myself: "well, it's technically BF, not CB." But now? I honestly think LE are a blight on the wargaming community and do more bad than good, and am said to see another company go LE. I wanted to pre-order the book just for the fluff (I don't play Infinity), but now I won't buy it at all. I simply don't feel like supporting a company that does the LEbs.
Shame on you, CB, shame on you...
The long standing line was no LE miniature that was geologically locked, now as far as PP goes, not only they do LE miniatures, they do so on the worse kind of them, Geologically locked, if you are not on GenCon, tough luck getting the kilt killer.
CBs LE miniature is a thank you to the early adapters and an incentive to gauge how many want the book, in order to avoid having the 1st print supplies exhausted within the month of release, again.
Since it costs nothing more and is available worldwide, either from CB store or the local retailer/ LGS, I do not see it as a big issue, definitely smaller issue than the BF bag LE miniature that was locked with a non "directly" Infinity related product.
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
and I imagine they also hope to drive direct sales which are far more profitable than selling to a distributor. This will help their bottom line, enabling the company to prosper, and release more models/rules.
I will have to point out again that this LE deal is also available to LGS.
This offer is also available in all stores that sell Infinity, but the availability of exclusive figures is subject to the store’s discretion.
Very few companies release models that are unique units that can be used in the game. Most are either variant sculpts of existing units or display pieces. The only company I can think of that produced LE units was the king of LE, Rackham (Flesh Golem, Belial, Fortuna, some characters for C3...), and GW, but that would be a stretch (White Dwarf, Harry...). Nevertheless, it doesn't make LE releases any less egregious, on the contrary, and I know I'm not the only one that feels LE are bad for the wargaming business and its integrity.
I'm not a die-hard fan of Infinity (I read the books and buy the occasional mini to paint, I don't like the game system), and with the mini market being so huge and with so much variety I don't really feel like I'm going to miss much by not supporting a company with whose policy I don't agree. There's plenty of as good or better minis to buy and paint after all. I could stand the rampant CB fanservice, but going LE is the final straw for me.
An example - Cipher released a grand total of 2 LE for Anima, and you know what, they stopped doing that because the fan base didn't like it. I support Cipher by buying all of their releases for AT because I appreciate that decision and I like the minis. With CB, I like (some) of the minis, but LE means no support from me anymore. It's a question of principles, and I'm not at all ashamed to say it out loud.
@PsychoticStorm
I'm not aware of any Warmahordes LE minis (I don't care for MP). I might not have full knowledge, though. I'm also not aware of any previous LE Infinity minis apart from the BF Yuan Yuan. So I don't get what you mean by "geologically-locked"? It was neither locked nor unlocked, there were simply no LE's.
LE model is a LE model no matter how you spin it. I don't care what drove CB to do it - money, appreciation for fans, spur of the moment, new Porsche, I don't give a feth. LE is a fact, not an opinion. Oh, and whether it's available in Poland at all remains to be seen - I'm unfortunately not blessed to live in the US or any country with a thriving mini market. I also don't have access to an FLGS, not that there are many of those that carry Infinity around here.
-DE- wrote:Weren't there supposed to never be any Limited Edition miniatures for Infinity from CB?
Who said that? They have already had a limited edition miniature for the Battlefoam large army case. I believe they were limited to 70, which is really f-king limited
I think the number was about 750 units. And I think it hasn't still run out, both BF and CB list the big army case as including the mini.
@-DE-
PsychoticStorm wrote:CB promised they would no make a limited edition miniature that would have impact an on the game and would not be available to everybody.
Both LE miniatures so far keep that promise.
That's what CB said. They didn't say they would never do LE models. If you missinterpreted it, it's not CB's fault, and it's not something they have to be ashamed of. And the BF of course it counts, of course it's CB. They sculpted it, they packaged it, they painted the reference model, and they send it to BF to be delivered with the bags. The LE model of Warhammer AoR wasn't GW?
Wow.. pretty headstrong comments there -DE-, I think really it needs to be kept in some kind of perspective?
It's a single, small, 'fun' (read: no actual use in the game) model for those fans who want to pre-order the book. Perhaps I should have put the word 'fan' in bold there, as if you have no interest at all in the game system or the models, they do nothing for you or whatever, I'm struggling to reason why you would be making that kind of lengthy, positively self-righteous post at all?
It's a shame, was positively excited about the news of the book and the release of the cover, and your posts after it has completely sucked the energy out of the thread..
Anyway..
Will get in touch with Maelstrom and see if they are going to be accepting the pre-orders of these books, the discount deals, and will be offering the pre-order model.. ?
++EDIT++ Kanluwen, that signed rule book is frikkin awesome, I would give me eye-teeth to get something like that..
Do you people even read what I write? Self-righteous? Then how do you call your post?
I despise LE models in all forms and will not support companies that release them. What's so hard to understand this? Am I inciting people to boycott CB or something? If you don't mind this policy, by all means, keep buying the books and models, I don't care.
Again, read what I write. I don't care if you can use the LE model in the game (most LE are unusable anyway), it's the sole fact it's LE that grates on my nerves. Neither do I care what CB said or did not say. They used to not release any LE at all, now they do. I don't like it.
BTW, is it just me, or there seems to be a trend of "either be positive or GTFO" going on in the wargaming community as of late? Like a widespread Apple syndrome or something...
-DE- wrote:Weren't there supposed to never be any Limited Edition miniatures for Infinity from CB?
Who said that? They have already had a limited edition miniature for the Battlefoam large army case. I believe they were limited to 70, which is really f-king limited
Given CB audience, I really don't see the point in producing LE minis, I mean people will be snapping this book up left, right and centre, you only really put out a LE to sweeten the deal.....this might actually piss a few people off as thiskind of marketing really doesn't suit the image CB has put out so far.
That's precisely why I said "from CB", BF mini was BF.
Playable or not, the long-standing tradition of CB was "no LE"... at least until now. And the reason why some companies don't produce LE is that it pisses your fanbase off and doesn't generate much income if any if you account for PR damage. PP don't do LE and I respect them for that. I respected CB for not going down this route, but it's no longer the case. What happens if I don't pre-order the book now (for, say, lack of funds) or it's not available in my country at all? Pay $100 for it a couple months later? Why? Why not make it a general release in, say, half a year after the book is released, so that fans still have an incentive to pre-order (get the mini ahead of everyone else)?
When BF did it, I was annoyed, but I told myself: "well, it's technically BF, not CB." But now? I honestly think LE are a blight on the wargaming community and do more bad than good, and am said to see another company go LE. I wanted to pre-order the book just for the fluff (I don't play Infinity), but now I won't buy it at all. I simply don't feel like supporting a company that does the LEbs.
Shame on you, CB, shame on you...
Wall of text aside, what's the problem with a Limited Edition non-gaming miniature, such as the one from the preorder deal?
If you'd care to read my other posts (the "walls of text" as you put them, sorry for elaborating on my gripes instead of keeping it text message-length), you'd know.
I'll def pick up the Human Sphere book for the extra fluffy bits. But as far as the army deals go, I have all but 3 of the Yu Jing models anyway so I'll skip that one!
As an after thought, it does make the Yu Jing look rather expensive (points wise) compared to the other factions! . . . Just a thought!
-DE- wrote:Do you people even read what I write? Self-righteous? Then how do you call your post?
I despise LE models in all forms and will not support companies that release them. What's so hard to understand this? Am I inciting people to boycott CB or something? If you don't mind this policy, by all means, keep buying the books and models, I don't care.
Again, read what I write. I don't care if you can use the LE model in the game (most LE are unusable anyway), it's the sole fact it's LE that grates on my nerves. Neither do I care what CB said or did not say. They used to not release any LE at all, now they do. I don't like it.
BTW, is it just me, or there seems to be a trend of "either be positive or GTFO" going on in the wargaming community as of late? Like a widespread Apple syndrome or something...
I wrote 'self-righteous' because I can't understand why there would be animosity towards them on that scale, and you seem to have used it as a reason to kerb-stomp a company that otherwise seems to try and doing everything it can to give its fan-base what it wants.
We all know that the supposed 'limited edition' term is used far too much. In this case like so many others it is not really that at all (the only way it can legally be described as such is if they come with a stamped and numbered certificate - which this almost certainly won't have). I can guarantee there will be as many of these models as there are pre-orders. Don't want the book? There is a comprehensive Infinity community out there, a lot of whom don't like the 'anime' style of some models. I would say it would be fairly easy to pick up the model if you wanted it.
This is essentially just a little 'gift' to the closer fans of the game, nothing more, and that is how 99% of people will see it, rather than just an attempt to screw the fanbase by forcing them to pre-order a book that they wouldn't want otherwise.
And I completely disagree about the last point 'be positive or GTFO' - there have been a lot of negative reactions to certain things CB released in this thread, and on the Infinity section of the thread. Complaints about rules, Army Builder not working well, particular models etc. The difference is most of it was a reasonable and constructive criticism ("I don't like X because of.. etc.") whereas your rather inflammatory post has resulted in a moderator having to use red ink; a first in a thread of 70 pages..
Emperors_Champion wrote:I'll def pick up the Human Sphere book for the extra fluffy bits. But as far as the army deals go, I have all but 3 of the Yu Jing models anyway so I'll skip that one!
I found the Yu Jing army deal pretty undesirable, it's a strange mix of units. And why would you want the Multirifle Dao Fei when you can use the HMG one?
And the PanO one is not really a PanO one but a Acontecimento deal. Strange.
Emperors_Champion wrote:I'll def pick up the Human Sphere book for the extra fluffy bits. But as far as the army deals go, I have all but 3 of the Yu Jing models anyway so I'll skip that one!
I found the Yu Jing army deal pretty undesirable, it's a strange mix of units. And why would you want the Multirifle Dao Fei when you can use the HMG one?
And the PanO one is not really a PanO one but a Acontecimento deal. Strange.
Good spot. I didn't really look that close as the first thing I noticed is that there wasn't a TAG. So I was a bit "meh" from the start! Can't say I'm overly bothered either way though!
Erasoketa wrote: I think the number was about 750 units. And I think it hasn't still run out, both BF and CB list the big army case as including the mini.
Yeah, sorry, I think you're right.....damn, 70 would be like grail figures
I don't think the LE is a good thing for mini wargaming, but I also don't think it's worth having an aneurysm over, especially if you're not a hardcore fan of the company and it's products in the first place.....seems a little bit like climbing on that high horse for the sake of it....anyway, I'm sure CB will go pot to the wall, it's designers penniless, and homes repo'd by the banks because a few "enthusiast" refuse to play ball.
To further support what Pacific just said, you didn't even state a concrete reason why you hate LE models, -DE-. You stated you hate them and you think they're a blight to the wargaming community, but even your "wall of text" didn't elaborate further. That's as nonconstructive as you can get. Maybe explaining why you think it damages the wargaming community or why you hate it may improve your position on this matter.
Of course it's a marketing ploy for you to make you buy the books. Just like sales, bulk army discounts, and freebies are marketing ploys that would make you want to buy products. That doesn't make them bad.
@Erasoketa Thanks! Oh, I'm glad I'm not that into that LE model--if I were I would be craving on having it and painting it and putting it on my nightstand and giving it massages and walking with it....
I think -DE-'s view of stopping buying from a company because of they making LE models is a bit over the top. It's his choice indeed and I respect that. I don't like that I won't be able to buy a particular model in a couple of years (or months) if I don do it now. Some companies do almost all their models LE (like Studio McVey), and I'll still try to but what I like. I guess every company has their own reasons to do it. Not buying at all from them is a bit too much, also because almos every company has made a LE at some point. So that would leave you a very small range to choose.
Some of the key reasons why LE miniatures could be considered a "blight on the hobby" are the fact that LE sets up a kind of elitism, a seperation between the haves and the have-not's, in a hobby which is supposedly so inclusive in nature having LE (especially of desirable sculpts, whether playable or not) also encourages a certain degree of investment buying, which takes advantage of those who were not in a position to partake when the model was first released or to those new to the hobby.
The flip side of th coin is of course that the practice could also be defined as being harmless.....unless you're a completist in your collecting habits, what does it matter if you miss out on a couple of minis here and there, especially if they have no tactical value in game?
As long as the owners of LE models (or cards, or whatever) don't have a real advantage in the game over other gamers, I think it's not that bad. Thats one of the reasons why I don't like games where you don't know what you are buying.
