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Post by: lord_blackfang
55% miscast rate, and that's just from what can be spotted through a sealed blister?
Holy freakin'... something... GW's fail is more epic than I ever imagined.
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
-Loki- wrote:Guildsman wrote:Tyranids have it even worse. What to do then? Are those armies only for advanced players? And what if one of a new player's first experiences with wargaming is Finecast, with all its myriad issues?
Tyranids hardly 'got it worse' with Finecast. Their models got a few dollars more expensive and a hell of a lot easier to put together. You think a new person is going to know to weight the base of a Zoanthrope? Or heavily pin and use 2 part epoxy to anchor the arms on Venomthropes and Hive Guard? In Australia, they went up $4au. I bought a Zoanthrope, the only casting issues were a tiny air bubble on the head and a tiny air bubble beneath a claw. I had it cleaned and built in about 10 minutes with just super glue. I really can't see how that's getting it worse.I gladly pay the $4au more to not have them tip over on a grain of flock, or have Venomthrope and Hive Guard arms need so much work to get them to stay in place.
The hive tyrant became expensive, I admit. However, most people never buy it more than once. As for the 'myriad issues', I really don't see it. The occasional model has casting issues, which GW will take back readily and replace. I mean, metal had casting issues as well. The most annoying part was the non Finecast stuff getting more expensive. All the troops jumped a price bracket.
In my experience, most people didn't have trouble assembling any of the metal Tyranids. This includes myself and several friends, and I glued my Hive Guards' arms on with super glue once. I have not experienced the troubles there. With how heavy the Zoanthrope is, yes, it's common sense to weight the base. I think one of the biggest problems with Tyranid elite choices being Finecast is that they were already stupidly expensive to buy everything you need, and now it's even worse. I know all the price jacks have gotten me out of collecting Tyranids, which is a sad, sad day for me.
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Post by: filbert
The Fragile Breath wrote:
In my experience, most people didn't have trouble assembling any of the metal Tyranids. This includes myself and several friends, and I glued my Hive Guards' arms on with super glue once. I have not experienced the troubles there. With how heavy the Zoanthrope is, yes, it's common sense to weight the base. I think one of the biggest problems with Tyranid elite choices being Finecast is that they were already stupidly expensive to buy everything you need, and now it's even worse. I know all the price jacks have gotten me out of collecting Tyranids, which is a sad, sad day for me.
What about the old metal gargoyles? IMO they were one of the most frustrating and rage-inducing models GW have ever released (along with the original LRC with metal bolter sponsons)
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
filbert wrote:The Fragile Breath wrote:
In my experience, most people didn't have trouble assembling any of the metal Tyranids. This includes myself and several friends, and I glued my Hive Guards' arms on with super glue once. I have not experienced the troubles there. With how heavy the Zoanthrope is, yes, it's common sense to weight the base. I think one of the biggest problems with Tyranid elite choices being Finecast is that they were already stupidly expensive to buy everything you need, and now it's even worse. I know all the price jacks have gotten me out of collecting Tyranids, which is a sad, sad day for me.
What about the old metal gargoyles? IMO they were one of the most frustrating and rage-inducing models GW have ever released (along with the original LRC with metal bolter sponsons)
I've never had issues with mine. I've got over 30 of the buggers.
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Post by: Kilkrazy
I have six metal Zoanthropes and three metal Venomthropes.
They weren't very difficult to assemble but from what I hear, Finecast are super easy.
You just do all the cleaning and stuff you would on a metal model, then CA them. Then do the filling and finishing you would on a metal model.
You don't have to do any pinning.
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Post by: Sidstyler
Well I finally got around to calling GW customer service today. I've been putting it off for weeks and I stayed up all morning just to make myself get it done and over with. Basically I aired my grievances, told them the issues I'd had with both boxes, namely the mold slip with the swords in the first box and the issues with spikes and other details missing, and I'm being sent a replacement box. They told me to call them back when I got it to make sure that I had enough bodies/swords to make ten models, which is all I could have asked for really so...here's hoping the replacement box is good? 
I was a little nervous because of what I'd heard here on Dakka about them wanting models returned first, but the guy I chatted with (Daniel I think?) was pretty cool. They didn't even ask for a batch number or anything and I had the boxes there just in case.
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Post by: Surtur
All of the Lelith models in my local GW have the wrong arm with it on the sprue. Think it's a incubi's...
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Post by: Sidstyler
You know she has two weapon options right? She has two daggers or a dagger and a polearm.
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Post by: DAWARBOSS
Oski Bugmansson wrote:Guys one thing that most people aren't willing to admit is that many finecast models are actually good quality, and although the price rise is really annoying they are actually very nice. BTW I am not just repeating random GW stuff, I have got approx 10 Finecast Figures (mostly presents) and I have only ran into (minor) problems with one kit. Stop getting annoyed about one aspect of the hobby  , and just enjoy them when you can 
QFT
HAZZER wrote:Woot woot! 60 pages allready!
Yeah, I thought I would just get 10 replies or less.
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Post by: Sidstyler
...what? What is Oski even saying there? I don't get it.
Oh, he didn't get any miscast models, so that means no one did, or that even if they did they should just shut up and enjoy them anyway? The hell kind of fethed up point of view is that?
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Post by: DAWARBOSS
he probably means that we should all quit complaining and enjoy the hobby, I think, and I havent gotten any mistcasts... yet
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Post by: Kroothawk
NAVARRO wrote:You know what is even worse? Is since blisters are sealed you cannot see the back of many models so many flaws just cannot be detected with closed blisters.
That would be the other 45% 
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Post by: Sidstyler
DAWARBOSS wrote:he probably means that we should all quit complaining and enjoy the hobby, I think, and I havent gotten any mistcasts... yet
Yeah, but people who purchased miscast models have every right to complain, so saying "quit complaining and enjoy the hobby" does not seem appropriate here. I should just "enjoy the hobby" when I spent the better part of $80 for ten models, and only have enough serviceable parts to build about half that many due to bubbles and mold shifting? Problems I've never had to deal with before when I bought the same models in metal, mind you.
I understand completely that sometimes things get out of hand and I'll admit that people, myself included, do complain about GW quite a bit. But I just get the feeling that some people don't realize that in some cases it's actually warranted and that I'm being told to "just deal with" crap that I shouldn't have to be dealing with at all for the price I paid.
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Post by: MisterMoon
Just went to my FLGS and he had to send back all, 100% of his dark eldar finecost.
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Post by: thebadabwar
Sidstyler wrote:I was a little nervous because of what I'd heard here on Dakka about them wanting models returned first, but the guy I chatted with (Daniel I think?) was pretty cool. They didn't even ask for a batch number or anything and I had the boxes there just in case.
Yeah, I had to return mine before they sent out the replacements. Mind you I had 5 boxes that I was shipping back. It took two weeks and out of the 5 boxes that they shipped to me 2 were perfect and 3 were bad again. And these were the ones that they hand picked to be perfect. They could not believe it and asked me to return those at the local GW store. Unfortunately the store hours are so whack that I had to take two hours off from work in the middle of the day to run this errand. They swapped them at the store no problem. The new boxes are so much better, but there are still issues. But at least they are on a single mini in a hidden area instead of all 5 of the minis being completely messed up. While there I bought 3 boxes of the new Wracks and out off the 15 models one has a messed up head and another has a bubble for his chin. And one of the weapon sprues has all the spikes missing. Since these were the only 3 boxes the store had i took them home. Will try to get these exchanged with CS on the phone or wait for restock and exchange them the the local store.
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Post by: DAWARBOSS
Sidstyler wrote:DAWARBOSS wrote:he probably means that we should all quit complaining and enjoy the hobby, I think, and I havent gotten any mistcasts... yet
Yeah, but people who purchased miscast models have every right to complain, so saying "quit complaining and enjoy the hobby" does not seem appropriate here. I should just "enjoy the hobby" when I spent the better part of $80 for ten models, and only have enough serviceable parts to build about half that many due to bubbles and mold shifting? Problems I've never had to deal with before when I bought the same models in metal, mind you.
I understand completely that sometimes things get out of hand and I'll admit that people, myself included, do complain about GW quite a bit. But I just get the feeling that some people don't realize that in some cases it's actually warranted and that I'm being told to "just deal with" crap that I shouldn't have to be dealing with at all for the price I paid.
Price-wise; its GW, they wont be lowering the prices, so complaining wont help. But, hey, I'll just drop it, not really any point in arguing, eh!
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Post by: Sidstyler
They have to either lower the price or deliver the quality that was promised. If they don't and they just ignore all the complaints then people will eventually get fed up and quit buying the product, or stick only with what they're confident will be good quality, like GW's plastic kits. I gamble too much as it is, I'm not going to make my problem worse by gambling on expensive Finecast boxes. 
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Post by: Quintinus
The part that I am failing to understand is how it's ok for even 1/10th of the models to have minor problems.
I've purchased probably 100's if not thousands of Lego sets over the years. I've only ever had a problem with 1.
inb4 "oh but it's a new material!"
Well GW should have tested it better
inb4 "GW isn't a huge company like Lego!"
GW is a publicly traded company, and touts that they're like a Cadillac of models (whatever that means). they need to prove it.
Come at me, haters
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Post by: Swordwind
Vladsimpaler wrote:The part that I am failing to understand is how it's ok for even 1/10th of the models to have minor problems.
I've purchased probably 100's if not thousands of Lego sets over the years. I've only ever had a problem with 1.
inb4 "oh but it's a new material!"
Well GW should have tested it better
inb4 "GW isn't a huge company like Lego!"
GW is a publicly traded company, and touts that they're like a Cadillac of models (whatever that means). they need to prove it.
Come at me, haters
+1 to this. I was an insane Lego collector when I was younger, and every single time Lego tried a new material, every single time there was a new big set, it was always of a high quality. I still have those sets, they still do as they are intended to do, and if anything did break they have great CS. Why can't GW be more like Lego? :(
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Post by: Sidstyler
Cadillac of models
Porsche, actually.
"Weeeee..."
Come at me, haters
Come at me, bro!
Anyway, went to the store today. I planned on picking up a razorwing (probably one of the most beautiful models I've ever seen) and a Finecast haemonculus. The store had four haemonculi, and out of that, three of them were missing fingers or thumbs from bubbles or chipping. The rest of the model looked fine from what I could tell, but in the end I didn't buy a haemonculus today...call me crazy but I just can't shell out $20 for that kind of quality. Nor did I buy a razorwing, since the store didn't have them in stock, but I noticed my store had a box of the old metal incubi and I figured it would be wise to snatch it while I still could, because the less Finecast crap I have to purchase the better (not only that but I paid the old price for it, $29.75 as opposed to the almost $40 they are now...less money for better quality models, win!).
Why can't GW be more like Lego? :(
Well, they got the "charge them out the ass" part down good. They just can't promise the same level of quality it would seem.
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Post by: -Loki-
The Fragile Breath wrote:In my experience, most people didn't have trouble assembling any of the metal Tyranids. This includes myself and several friends, and I glued my Hive Guards' arms on with super glue once. I have not experienced the troubles there. With how heavy the Zoanthrope is, yes, it's common sense to weight the base.
You need to send Tyranid players with metal elites whatever magical superglue you use.
As for the Zoanthrope, while it's common sense to weight the base, it shouldn't have to be done. And now it doesn't have to be done.
The Fragile Breath wrote:I think one of the biggest problems with Tyranid elite choices being Finecast is that they were already stupidly expensive to buy everything you need, and now it's even worse. I know all the price jacks have gotten me out of collecting Tyranids, which is a sad, sad day for me.
Definitely agreed there. After grabbing my two finecast Zoanthropes, I'm done for a while until my 1000 points is all painted. I wish they'd release boxes of those things. If they released boxes of 3, even for 2.5 times the price of one, and I'd buy more of them.
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Post by: Snord
Sidstyler wrote:
I planned on picking up a razorwing (probably one of the most beautiful models I've ever seen) and a Finecast haemonculus. The store had four haemonculi, and out of that, three of them were missing fingers or thumbs from bubbles or chipping. The rest of the model looked fine from what I could tell, but in the end I didn't buy a haemonculus today...call me crazy but I just can't shell out $20 for that kind of quality.
I picked up a Razorwing on the weekend - I agree it's a beauty. You won't regret getting one. It's hard to understand how the same outfit can turn out such a high quality (if somewhat overpriced) kit and be responsible for the mess that is Finecast. I think, however, that it may be an indication of where their priorities lie.
I think you've been pretty fair about the whole thing, and on the basis of your comments I've decided to skip the Finecast DE models. I was intending to get a Haemonculous as well, but now I'm going to scratchbuild one out of plastic bits.
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Post by: Sidstyler
Well if you really wanted one I'd just suggest carefully looking over the model in the blister before purchase to make sure it's not messed up. I would definitely recommend not buying closed boxes like the incubi or wracks though based on my own experiences with them. My models looked okay at first (except for the mold shift on the swords in my first box ruining them), but there's too many little things here and there to fix that I would prefer the metals any day. Metals are difficult to clean up, but at least you could reasonably expect any metal blister/kit you bought to be fully cast and have all of the fine details that GW never misses an opportunity to gush about.
And I know it seems minor, a gemstone or a spike doesn't really seem that hard to sculpt, but it's just the fact that with a metal kit I didn't have to worry about it that bothers me. It's the whole reason I bought a new box of metal incubi on impulse, because I knew that box would be okay and at a few bucks less than the so-called "Finecast" version it was a deal I couldn't pass up. Only thing I have to fix is a bent sword, which is as easy as grabbing it and carefully bending it back, no heating it up with water and bending it a little at a time with the risk of just snapping the damn thing in half. Speaking of things snapping in half, that's apparently a bigger risk now with Finecast models, parts could end up broken before you even get to handle them because of how brittle the material is and how poorly they're packed (sprues just thrown in a plastic box with no foam or cushioning whatsoever: brilliant!).
And I didn't actually buy a razorwing yet. I did pick up the Classic Battletech introductory box set though. :3
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Post by: Skriker
Actually broke down and took the step to buy my own first Finecast model, since I hadn't bought any yet. Picked up a dark eldar haemonculous and have to see I am very happy with it. After all the complaints I've read I went over every mm of the figure and could not find *anything* wrong with it. The blister I picked up also had about 1/3rd the flash that the other two on the rack did. I think I'll put myself in the lucky column and possibly buy something else in the not too distant future to see if I get lucky again...
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Post by: Kilkrazy
Tailgunner wrote:Sidstyler wrote:
I planned on picking up a razorwing (probably one of the most beautiful models I've ever seen) and a Finecast haemonculus. The store had four haemonculi, and out of that, three of them were missing fingers or thumbs from bubbles or chipping. The rest of the model looked fine from what I could tell, but in the end I didn't buy a haemonculus today...call me crazy but I just can't shell out $20 for that kind of quality.
I picked up a Razorwing on the weekend - I agree it's a beauty. You won't regret getting one. It's hard to understand how the same outfit can turn out such a high quality (if somewhat overpriced) kit and be responsible for the mess that is Finecast. I think, however, that it may be an indication of where their priorities lie.
I think you've been pretty fair about the whole thing, and on the basis of your comments I've decided to skip the Finecast DE models. I was intending to get a Haemonculous as well, but now I'm going to scratchbuild one out of plastic bits.
To be fair to GW, the UK has over 50 years experience in polystyrene model kit manufacturing. Plus widespread expertise to be drawn on from the USA, Japan and eastern Europe. The question ought to be why it took until 2009 for GW to get their models up to the standard of the Frog kits of the mid 1950s.
Whereas Finecast is a complete departure. There isn't another model company in the world using this material for moulding figures AFAIK. GW had to pioneer a new technique from the ground up and instead of a soft launch of a few models, they decided to change half the range in one go. it isn't surprising they are having trouble.
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
So far the only finecast I got was an emperor's champion that my friend paid me to assemble and paint up. Sure their were some mold lines, but they were really easy to get rid of. I'd take finecast over the metal ones anyday. I'd get the hive tyrant if I didn't already have 4.
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Post by: dajobe
filbert wrote:[What about the old metal gargoyles? IMO they were one of the most frustrating and rage-inducing models GW have ever released (along with the original LRC with metal bolter sponsons)
QFT, my poor landraider...the bolter side sponsons SUCK!
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Post by: aka_mythos
Swordwind wrote:
+1 to this. I was an insane Lego collector when I was younger, and every single time Lego tried a new material, every single time there was a new big set, it was always of a high quality. I still have those sets, they still do as they are intended to do, and if anything did break they have great CS. Why can't GW be more like Lego? :(
In fairness to GW, LEGO is regarded as having some of the most advanced injection molding equipment in industry as well holding the actual tolerances of their molds to high standards. There is little to no drafting angles on their parts. At the same time legos are geometrically less complex, with the volume of legos produced orders of magantude higher in volume than anything GW produces.
Finecast was their attempt to do something different. So far I think we should just hold out hope for improvements. GW has been consistent for the last 20 years about trying to maintain a respectable standard of quality. While we shouldn't let it slide, I think its reasonable to expect they'll eventually get things straightend out.
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Post by: Grim Smasha
I just picked up 3 haemonculi last saturday. 1 was in good condition. 1 was missing the left hand and had massive bubbles all over the back portion. The last one was completely missing the back portion. 1 for 3. . .garbage.
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Post by: DeathGod
So, the thread "Stupid question about finecast" was locked as I was typing my reply... after some cut and paste magic, I'll repost it here.
"There are no stupid questions, only stupid people."
~ Mr. Garrison
Sorry, couldn't resist using one of my favorite South Park quotes.
The move to finecast was for two reasons:
1) A much better product, or it will be once the quality control bugs are worked out. The detail far surpasses metals, and is easier to work with: much easier to clean, rediculously easier to chop and convert.
2) The world price on metals, particularly tin, has been skyrocketing for years. Someone else will have to tell you how much an increase there has been, but its in the many hundreds of percents over, say, the past decade. China's modernization mobilization is the biggest culprit (raw material prices across the board have been skyrocketing), though other world events contribute as well.
As for the big complaints... /shrug. It is, of course, unfortunate for the few people that get poorly casted models, but then again, you got poorly casted models out of metal miniatures as well. GW has always been very very good for anyone calling to report a poor model/missing sprues/wrong sprues/whatever. If you do get a bad model, just call them up and they will send you a replacement.
I personally have worked with 7 or 8 finecast models and have never had an issue. I've come across maybe 2 small air bubbles (those being the worst problems I've come across), and all I did was fill them with a small dab of superglue. My biggest complaint is that the finecast models are not puppy proof. My three month old great dane pup (who is tall enough to grab food from the kitchen counter) got ahold of my shock attack gun and kustom force field big makes and made mincemeat out of them.
I mean, come on, GW! How could you not have foreseen that problem? Really!?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
"The detail far surpasses metals..."
Yet to be proven...
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Post by: Flashman
H.B.M.C. wrote:"The detail far surpasses metals..."
Yet to be proven...
...by someone other than GW's finest scientists.
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Post by: TrollPie
People always say Finecast has better detail. The fact is, once they've been painted they look nearly exactly the same, but because metal is white the detail is harder to make out unpainted.
Except metal isn't littered with bubbles and spots like some sweaty teenagers' face.
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Post by: Balance
TrollPie wrote:People always say Finecast has better detail. The fact is, once they've been painted they look nearly exactly the same, but because metal is white the detail is harder to make out unpainted.
Some have pointed out crisper edges and such.
On the one hand, I wonder if the 'finer detail' some have reported is just the nature of the resin vs. hot metal: I.E. it's better at filling in small details and doesn't contract or round off raised lines when cooling like metal can.
On the other hand, I wonder if it's the natural result of new molds. New molds tend to be crisper, and from the reports there may be a lot of mold tearing so they may have to make molds more often.
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Post by: Laughing Man
Balance wrote:TrollPie wrote:People always say Finecast has better detail. The fact is, once they've been painted they look nearly exactly the same, but because metal is white the detail is harder to make out unpainted.
Some have pointed out crisper edges and such.
Only on unprimed models thus far. On every side by side of primed models thus far, the only way to tell the difference has been the air bubbles on the Finecast model.
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Post by: Kurce
Well if you really wanted one I'd just suggest carefully looking over the model in the blister before purchase to make sure it's not messed up.
This does not really help. I bought 3 Haemonculi through my FLGS and all 3 of them were messed up. The backsides of the daggers they hold were all just mal-formed globs of resin. I sort of salvaged one of them but it looks pretty messed up. I called GW this morning and they were cool enough to send me 3 more no questions asked. However, I sort of hate that because I would have really liked for them to see it themselves so they know the sort of crap they are sending out. Anyway, can't complain about 6 Hammies for the price of 3. I will just cut their arms off and stick Wych weapons on them.
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Post by: Blood Angel 17
Its actually pretty funny because finecast is really just costing GW more money.
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Post by: -Loki-
The whole 'Finecast has far better detail' marketing is really disappointing. While it's technically true from a casting standpoint, once a model is painted, unless it's done by a really, really fething good painter, you're not going to see gak of a difference.
There's other angles they could have taken the marketing in that wouldn't have annoyed people as much.
Like, talk up the fact that the models are easier to convert. 'Did you like this awesome character model but wish you could make it your own? Get some clippers and snip the head off and do a head swap!'. 'Like the Honour Guard models but don't collect Ultramarines? Get a hobby knife and carve those chapter markings off!'.
There's other things they could have concentrated on too. Ease of building some of the more awkward models like Ahzag or Belakor? How about the fact that some models are no longer ridiculously top heavy, and now they'll be able to play around with model ideas that in metal would have toppled the second they were based?
Basically, they took the dumbest thing to market for finecast - detail of the cast, which really only appeals to really good painters who will notice once there's a couple of layers of water thin glazes on the model.
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Post by: Holy_doctrine
I'm almost afraid to get Finecast. I've not been very impressed with it.
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Post by: Snord
Kilkrazy wrote:To be fair to GW, the UK has over 50 years experience in polystyrene model kit manufacturing. Plus widespread expertise to be drawn on from the USA, Japan and eastern Europe. The question ought to be why it took until 2009 for GW to get their models up to the standard of the Frog kits of the mid 1950s.
Whereas Finecast is a complete departure. There isn't another model company in the world using this material for moulding figures AFAIK. GW had to pioneer a new technique from the ground up and instead of a soft launch of a few models, they decided to change half the range in one go. it isn't surprising they are having trouble.
Actually, I tend to be fairer to GW than many. I think you make a good point about plastic manufacturing, but you've overstated it somewhat - GW's plastic kits generally reached a high standard well before 2009, although their vehicle kits have only reached the level of precision of the Asian kit manufacturers in the last couple of years (I'm amazed that you remember Frog though!). But I think it's hard to excuse the mess they've made of Finecast, other than to put it down to lack of adequate staff to do proper quality control given the quantities they needed to produce. As far as I can see, Finecast is just a resin variant. The techniques for casting resin are not new, and GW has all of FW's experience to call on. That in itself raises the question of why it's taken FW so long to attain some sort of consistent quality (the answer, apparently, is that they moved their resin casting to China where there are people with real expertise in resin casting). Given all of this, it's hard to understand how they ended up releasing such sub-standard product. I think they will get the quality up to some sort of consistency (assuming there's not a fundamental problem with the resin they're using), but this debacle has undermined their credibility in the one area where they had been pretty consistent - the quality of the models.
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Post by: Swordwind
aka_mythos wrote:Swordwind wrote:
+1 to this. I was an insane Lego collector when I was younger, and every single time Lego tried a new material, every single time there was a new big set, it was always of a high quality. I still have those sets, they still do as they are intended to do, and if anything did break they have great CS. Why can't GW be more like Lego? :(
In fairness to GW, LEGO is regarded as having some of the most advanced injection molding equipment in industry as well holding the actual tolerances of their molds to high standards. There is little to no drafting angles on their parts. At the same time legos are geometrically less complex, with the volume of legos produced orders of magantude higher in volume than anything GW produces.
Touche my good man.
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Post by: Sidstyler
Blood Angel 17 wrote:Its actually pretty funny because finecast is really just costing GW more money.
It'll only be funny until next year's price increase, when prices go up far in excess of 25% to recoup the cost of all the replacement boxes that had to be shipped out.
Heh...
Tailgunner wrote:The techniques for casting resin are not new, and GW has all of FW's experience to call on.
...somehow I don't think that would have helped them. Or maybe that's precisely why they're having problems in the first place.
Tailgunner wrote:but this debacle has undermined their credibility in the one area where they had been pretty consistent - the quality of the models.
As I've probably said before, that is really the greatest shame here. Most of us really hate the price we have to pay for this stuff, but I at least could feel comfortable knowing that, while I was dropping a lot of money on the product, I was almost guaranteed to get one that was fairly high quality (I am of course not talking about certain Beastmen or Daemon sculpts here ), with no real defects other than what the norm is for miniatures (mold lines, flash, etc.). Now it feels like a real gamble.
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Post by: Henners91
Dakka sources inform me that GW resin is designed to melt and release cancer-causing chemicals that also render all those that spend less than £1000 per annum on Warhammer sterile.
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OK, I think we're all set here...
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