Another ugly model and not in a good Nurlge way. The paint job is way too bright and cartoony for my tastes. Not as bad as mortarion was but not great either.
If you can leave the tree off the shell, and paint the eyes less like a Warner Bros character something more sinister looking, I think a lot of the initial "urgh, that's awful" will be mitigated.
That said, the model I created in my mind's eye from the silhouette on the video was much more to my liking (no gak!) and this is another GW might have been spoiled by a lack of restraint.
I think it is one of my favourite model since I first saw him today.
It has been a long time since GW didn't made a new and original model that I like.
Almost every «new» model was crappy (centurions, all the primaris except the intercessor...).
It is refreshing !
as usual, IMO, GW's style really doesn't go with nurgle..
I bloody love that model though! ...I just hope that either, it can also be uses as a character in 40k daemons, or that there's a more generic option in the kit, not just a character, that can also be used in 40k daemons...if this is an AoS-exclusive, I might be just a little bit grumpy for a while...
I hate when GW does this type of thing, add new special models to boxed games. All it does is earn scalpers and recasters allot of money whilst the people who want a plastic one has to wait 6-12months to get the mini in plastic.
Then again with GW prices it will probably be cheaper from scalpers than from GW once released.
MadCowCrazy wrote: I hate when GW does this type of thing, add new special models to boxed games. All it does is earn scalpers and recasters allot of money whilst the people who want a plastic one has to wait 6-12months to get the mini in plastic.
Then again with GW prices it will probably be cheaper from scalpers than from GW once released.
Eh, yes and no.
The Primaris Captain and Lord of Contagion go for around £6-8 on Ebay. Compare that to the £25 you'd be paying for the model separate from GW. As you say, scalping can often be cheaper than the separate release. The exception is limited edition models.
The death and decay thing can carry itself (and is super busy) without all the other weird design elements. The snail looks like it was designed by several people who could not agree on which direction it should go. A paintjob might make it look better but I wouldn't count on it.
I love the rider. The snail? His face gives me conflicted impresions... some times I love it, others I hate it...
I'll give the model a 7,5/10, for the great rider and the beautifull texture of the snail shell.
The theme of Nurgle models has really moved away from the older more serious style to a more cartoonish appearance. However this is definitely turning it up to 11 when compared to the Blight Kings and Glottkin. The paint job does a lot in contributing towards this though; I think leaving out the pupils in both the snail and plaguebearer will make a huge difference (which we'll see soon enough in alternative paintjobs)...with the pupils painted in like that it reminds me of the crab guy from Spongebob Squarepants!!
Also, wouldn't the eye stalks just grab hold of the Nurgling?!
Love the snail, I hope someone paints it like Gary.
At first I thought the Nurgling was like a light Anglerfish use to attract prey, then realised the poor thing is just being used as bait to keep the snail moving, at least he looks happy about it.
The only bad part to me is the eyes. A more sinister pitch-black shiny look would've been better.
Otherwise, awesome model with all the character crammed into it and just how much of a demonic farmer the guy is. He even has a bone in his mouth like a piece of wheat.
It certainly plays off of Nurgle's "friendlier" nature than another armored warlord of death and destruction that usually gets put out.
Donomar wrote: The theme of Nurgle models has really moved away from the older more serious style to a more cartoonish appearance. However this is definitely turning it up to 11 when compared to the Blight Kings and Glottkin. The paint job does a lot in contributing towards this though; I think leaving out the pupils in both the snail and plaguebearer will make a huge difference (which we'll see soon enough in alternative paintjobs)...with the pupils painted in like that it reminds me of the crab guy from Spongebob Squarepants!!
Also, wouldn't the eye stalks just grab hold of the Nurgling?!
I think the paint job is really 90% of the problem with their Nurgle/Death Guard releases. Give them to even a quite basic painter who's looked at a few horrific images and anybody can make 'em appear much more disgusting than the default Saturday morning cartoon vibe they have now.
'Clean' paint jobs like this really don't do the Nurgle theme justice, but they do show off the details of the model which is I suspect they deemed more important.
I really like this nurgle model, a bit goofy but still full of charm. And could easily be made to look more sinister with a proper paintjob. The plaguebearers weapon almost looks like gardening shears.
leave the eyestalks off, leave the holes they go into hollow and weeping pus, leave the 'taster' stalks but make them pointed towards the nurgling. Paint the entire thing in far more somber colors, high shine gloss on the body of the snail. Yeah, that would work. And the rider, and his pose, is awesome.
I kind of like the snail. It reminds me of something from berserk. Paint it to be less kid friendly looking and you can probably have something really gnarly looking. Does it only belong to the special character though?
CthuluIsSpy wrote: I kind of like the snail. It reminds me of something from berserk. Paint it to be less kid friendly looking and you can probably have something really gnarly looking. Does it only belong to the special character though?
OH MY GOD YES, THANKS! I have been all day "Seriously this desing for a slug/snail reminds me of something"
CthuluIsSpy wrote: I kind of like the snail. It reminds me of something from berserk. Paint it to be less kid friendly looking and you can probably have something really gnarly looking. Does it only belong to the special character though?
OH MY GOD YES, THANKS! I have been all day "Seriously this desing for a slug/snail reminds me of something"
Spoiler:
Yeah, the first thing I thought of when I saw it was the Count. I think it has something do with the feet and the mouth. GW can actually learn a lot from berserk in terms of demon design. There's some really wicked stuff there.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: I kind of like the snail. It reminds me of something from berserk. Paint it to be less kid friendly looking and you can probably have something really gnarly looking. Does it only belong to the special character though?
OH MY GOD YES, THANKS! I have been all day "Seriously this desing for a slug/snail reminds me of something"
Yeah, the first thing I thought of when I saw it was the Count. I think it has something do with the feet and the mouth. GW can actually learn a lot from berserk in terms of demon design. There's some really wicked stuff there.
That would just become a worse version of Kingdom Death though.
You know what bothers me? The lack of standarization in these images' names. They should all be "RumourEngine-date.jpg", not all these wildly varied names.
Verviedi wrote: You know what bothers me? The lack of standarization in these images' names. They should all be "RumourEngine-date.jpg", not all these wildly varied names.
That was how people extracted the images of all the Space Marine chapters a while ago.
Verviedi wrote: You know what bothers me? The lack of standarization in these images' names. They should all be "RumourEngine-date.jpg", not all these wildly varied names.
That was how people extracted the images of all the Space Marine chapters a while ago.
Correct. Not just the Marine Chapters though, but many other things.
I'm sure that's the barrel of a shotgun, but as someone who knows a little (very little) about firearms, if someone ever hands you a shotgun with a barrel that's been riveted together, politely hand it back and slowly walk away. That thing is shrapnel waiting to happen.
Binabik15 wrote: I love that snail thing. The Nurgling looks like he enjoys himself a liiiiiittle bit too much. Kinky stuff.
The whole model is weird, though, not sure if it'd fit in an army. It's more like a diorama.
Yeah, and I think that's why I don't like it. I don't mind occasional humor, but this looks like a bizarre Alice in Wonderland model they shoe-horned into AoS...it doesn't even fit the AoS aesthetic or match with any of the models. I hope it's not an indication of the future of Nurgle daemons.
As for the Slurgle...I think that the face has reddish areas, but the eye stalks don't make them looked 'tacked on', like a low rent if a using conversion. Give it a more 'blended, (for want of a proper term, not referring to the painting technique itself) palette there should help. And not painting the eyes looking at the Nurgling.
Those barrels are going to turn out to be a new Necromunda model and I can assure you that I'm right because all I WANT it to be is Orks, and that alone will insure it is absolutely NOT Orks.
Binabik15 wrote: I love that snail thing. The Nurgling looks like he enjoys himself a liiiiiittle bit too much. Kinky stuff.
The whole model is weird, though, not sure if it'd fit in an army. It's more like a diorama.
Yeah, and I think that's why I don't like it. I don't mind occasional humor, but this looks like a bizarre Alice in Wonderland model they shoe-horned into AoS...it doesn't even fit the AoS aesthetic or match with any of the models. I hope it's not an indication of the future of Nurgle daemons.
Now I, for one, will probably buy 3 of them and attempt to convert at least two of them. Its such a great model and really fits the Nurgle aesthetic, although in a different way to the Glottkin and maggoth lords.
Desubot wrote: I think stompa's idea of removing the eye stocks would greatly help it fit in the more 40k setting.
also adding a few bits and bobs from 40 would help it out greatly.
Really? I think what it is most desperately in need of is fewer bits and bobs. It's got too much going on, and most isn't even vaguely related to each other or the model..
Desubot wrote: I think stompa's idea of removing the eye stocks would greatly help it fit in the more 40k setting.
also adding a few bits and bobs from 40 would help it out greatly.
Really? I think what it is most desperately in need of is fewer bits and bobs. It's got too much going on, and most isn't even vaguely related to each other or the model..
what are you on about?...it's a characterful plaguebearer-farmer dude, with his kit of travel utensils and whatnot, riding his big characterful daemon-snail-plough...it's all completely related to each other
CthuluIsSpy wrote: I kind of like the snail. It reminds me of something from berserk. Paint it to be less kid friendly looking and you can probably have something really gnarly looking. Does it only belong to the special character though?
OH MY GOD YES, THANKS! I have been all day "Seriously this desing for a slug/snail reminds me of something"
Spoiler:
Yeah, the first thing I thought of when I saw it was the Count. I think it has something do with the feet and the mouth.
GW can actually learn a lot from berserk in terms of demon design. There's some really wicked stuff there.
Yup I agree, Berserk has some very disturbing demon designs. I love them.
I really have disliked the DG and Mortarian releases. They just didn't do it for me. The paint jobs didn't help either but this bugger....I really like this bugger and I think I just might pick him up to paint and play with.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: I kind of like the snail. It reminds me of something from berserk. Paint it to be less kid friendly looking and you can probably have something really gnarly looking. Does it only belong to the special character though?
OH MY GOD YES, THANKS! I have been all day "Seriously this desing for a slug/snail reminds me of something"
Spoiler:
Yeah, the first thing I thought of when I saw it was the Count. I think it has something do with the feet and the mouth.
GW can actually learn a lot from berserk in terms of demon design. There's some really wicked stuff there.
Indeed! I`d buy that type of minis pretty quick.. I wasn`t familiar with Berserk before, but the art style and monsters of it I found on google may sway me to reading my first ever Manga.
Oh, and now I know what heavily inspired Kingdom Death.
And as to the slug: I think I`ll be joining the "I want that mini to convert and paint" crowd.
Go ahead and read Berserker. Is pretty brutal, but is provably the most western manga out there, both in art Style and story. Prpbably one of the best mangas for begginners in the médium.
But ill stop the offtopic here, sorry.
Yes, it is god awful. Like the new spiderman movie that was made to attract a younger crowd, this "model" is GWs way to reach out to the grade schoolers... It's hokey and terrible. I like my scifi to be a bit more mature and actually scarey.
Yes, it is god awful. Like the new spiderman movie that was made to attract a younger crowd, this "model" is GWs way to reach out to the grade schoolers... It's hokey and terrible. I like my scifi to be a bit more mature and actually scarey.
That's ok. I'll wait to see what the real hobbyists can do with it.
I like it. I've always felt that fantasy has more latitude for this sort of thing. Compared to Logan Grimnir on his sleigh, or even most 40k tanks and fliers this is far more in keeping with the subject material.
Binabik15 wrote: I love that snail thing. The Nurgling looks like he enjoys himself a liiiiiittle bit too much. Kinky stuff.
The whole model is weird, though, not sure if it'd fit in an army. It's more like a diorama.
Yeah, and I think that's why I don't like it. I don't mind occasional humor, but this looks like a bizarre Alice in Wonderland model they shoe-horned into AoS...it doesn't even fit the AoS aesthetic or match with any of the models. I hope it's not an indication of the future of Nurgle daemons.
Now I, for one, will probably buy 3 of them and attempt to convert at least two of them. Its such a great model and really fits the Nurgle aesthetic, although in a different way to the Glottkin and maggoth lords.
I actually have the shoulder area of Ghurk left over (one day I'll sculpt him shoulders and a sword arm so he can be a GuO, I swear I'll get around to it one day!) and wanted to use it as a shrine of sorts on a Rhino or Land Raider. It might also work to make a sort of horn-crested snail to use as a palanquin or mount out of the snurgle. Great nickname, btw.
Hmm, I was on the stance that I love it but not a Nurgle collector so no go, however now I'm wondering about a Order conversion and replacing the daemon with a farmer kitbashed from Free Guild and undead bits for peasant parts...
I'll be befuddled if the whole cthulhu elf thing was just us being crazy and they never were meant to exist in the first place. I did not expect that tentacle thing to be Necromunda related.
Thargrim wrote: I'll be befuddled if the whole cthulhu elf thing was just us being crazy and they never were meant to exist in the first place. I did not expect that tentacle thing to be Necromunda related.
I always thought htis cthulu/deep elves thing was just a meme that a bunch of people clung on too ? The evidence for it was mostly one of two tentacles and a lack of elves.
From the fluff and silver tower we should be expecting more shadowy/demon elves than outright fishy/aqua elves.
Yeah but there were small elements there with dark elves always having a connection to Krakens and the deep, the silver tower sorceress using mists and madness, the assassin jumping off a tentacle, Malerion having a warped monstrous form.
That and the Overlords being Victorian steampunk which Lovecraft is associated with certainly helped for their perceived image.
Without seeing the back of the model it will be hard to know for sure but I think it looks allot like it and the model does seem to be wearing a cloak of some sort?
Verviedi wrote: I'm thinking we've been trolled with regards to the Deep Elves.
Yup. Just got the arm holding the mini dragon left but that does not look cuthulhu inspired.
I believe that is the only rumor engine left that could point to them. Not so much because of the winged leech but moreso the pale arm that matches that of the silver tower shard guy. Also the barnicle thing...which could also just be a spider related thing. They may simply be shadow aelves and not as aquatic as we would have liked to think.
I'm bettting the bundle of grenades is from Necromunda - booby trap marker. And that double barrel thing on the bottom row also Necromunda - looks like either a shotgun or an Autocannon
Could it be he's being fed deliberate misinformation?
I think it's more that he doesn't really care and is probably "Phoning in" what he hears. The end of the Old World and Age of Sigmar killed his enthusiasm
The latter is not true anymore according to his posts the last 3-5 months. He also knows stuff far in advance (his first GSC rumor was in Feb 2015, release of Codex and model boxes in Sept 2016). He has mentioned several times that he doesnt know when the Cthulu-Elves will be released. He said it could be a long wait, even 2018. Check his disqus post history, he is very active in the War of Sigmar comments.
Verviedi wrote: I'm thinking we've been trolled with regards to the Deep Elves.
Yup. Just got the arm holding the mini dragon left but that does not look cuthulhu inspired.
I believe that is the only rumor engine left that could point to them. Not so much because of the winged leech but moreso the pale arm that matches that of the silver tower shard guy. Also the barnicle thing...which could also just be a spider related thing. They may simply be shadow aelves and not as aquatic as we would have liked to think.
I mean, they were called Shadowkin...
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Warhams-77 wrote: The latter is not true anymore according to his posts the last 3-5 months. He also knows stuff far in advance (his first GSC rumor was in Feb 2015, release of Codex and model boxes in Sept 2016). He has mentioned several times that he doesnt know when the Cthulu-Elves will be released. He said it could be a long wait, even 2018. Check his disqus post history, he is very active in the War of Sigmar comments.
Do we know that it's legitimately Hastings making the postings in disqus?
If you feel the Cthulu rumor is not turning out to be true that's understable. I remember the (mild but regular) flak people got for Duardian rumors, then the not-Squats turned up basically out of nowhere because no one thought it would happen. Let's have patience. And Kan, I'm not following your route of questions, I know how easy it is to seed doubt online, there will be ten more questions afterwards. If you go that route, how am I verified? See people's reaction to him, those who know him personally. It is right there on Disqus. I am not doing people's work to find out. Not for the x-th time
Even if you just look at his posts, you can tell it is someone who knows stuff. He wrote about plastic guilliman, Mortarion, new marines and plague armies a year ago.
He correctly predicted kharadron Overlords including some of the details of the minis.
The only thing he was completely wrong about was the plastic thunderhawk.
I have a feeling that the aos schedule may have been shifted around a bit due to the demands of death players. It does seem that GW is trying to be more reactive now.
That said GW is doing another aos seminar during the nova open in which they will talk a bit about the future.
It will probably just be more info about firestorm but there are still 4 months of 2017 left so we could be getting s nice surprise.
Warhams-77 wrote: If you feel the Cthulu rumor is not turning out to be true that's understable. I remember the (mild but regular) flak people got for Duardian rumors, then the not-Squats turned up basically out of nowhere because no one thought it would happen. Let's have patience.
To be fair, one of the things we always have happen is exactly what is happening with this "Cthulu" rumor. The rumor was "Lovecraftian Elves". Not "Cthulu Elves". There might have been a mention of some "Cthulu-esque" elements, but the thing that stuck out for me was that it was Lovecraftian, not Cthulu.
Someone known to be in/have been in the know makes a comment and everyone runs with it or adds their own spin. With Overlords and Fyreslayers, we had some crazy nonsense that got added in from rumors that came from reliable sources.
And Kan, I'm not following your route of questions, I know how easy it is to seed doubt online, there will be ten more questions afterwards. If you go that route, how am I verified? See people's reaction to him, those who know him personally. It is right there on Disqus. I am not doing people's work to find out. Not for the x-th time
You and I aren't exactly well-known for the WH community's rumors though, are we?
Hastings is. Sorry if you think I'm being cynical or antagonistic, but there it is for me at least. I know there is someone with my screen name on Disqus that sure as heck ain't me. Don't know if they've ever posted or not but I can't get my screen name because of it.
Kanluwen wrote: Sorry if you think I'm being cynical or antagonistic, but there it is for me at least. I know there is someone with my screen name on Disqus that sure as heck ain't me. Don't know if they've ever posted or not but I can't get my screen name because of it.
I don't think you are cynical, I can understand where you are coming from. But the problem is there are things that kind of don't help with rumors. Chikout said it well, look at the account and rate its info There has been and will be wrong info from this user, maybe he isn't always the first to post it, but just focusing on the info at hand, there are quite a lot of good hints of future releases. Even if it would not be him, the average quality of info is good enough, above people who are just guessing.
My concern is: Sources depend on their anonymity. Who wants the person behind this to be revealed, and GW shutting down the leakers the info comes from? Not me
I understand your point but we won't get a better view of future releases by doubting sources. These are not identifiable. And they should not be. The reaction he got on Disqus from people who know him from Warseer and those he communicates via PM with, Atia and other users, is proof enough in my opinion. If it would be an highjacked account, it would have been revealed.
Let the info speak for itself
The quality of rumors from this user may suck one day, so we will naturally start ignoring him. I can understand the impatience of some, waiting for DG has been kind of exhausting to me as well. This rumor also came from Hastings ('plague army') as far as I am aware. So I'm still certain we will see these Elves within the next 12 months.
To be fair, one of the things we always have happen is exactly what is happening with this "Cthulu" rumor.
The rumor was "Lovecraftian Elves". Not "Cthulu Elves". There might have been a mention of some "Cthulu-esque" elements, but the thing that stuck out for me was that it was Lovecraftian, not Cthulu.
For some reason, people think Lovecraftian means "anything to do with elder gods", and people always go directly to "Cthulhu" when Lovecraft is mentioned. A lot of people really overlook the largest motifs of his work like nihilism and the futility of our action The horror of Lovecraft wasn't just that the universe is full of monsters, it's that humanity isn't the focal point of the universe (a very novel concept in the early 20th century), and that the universe is so impossibly vast that there are things in it our minds can't possibly comprehend, and we would go mad if we tried. It doesn't matter if we nuke ourselves into oblivion or put aside our differences to end world hunger and disease. This world is but the dream of the daemon sultan Azathoth, and it will all end the moment he awakes.
Looks a bit clean for that, but you actually made me think it looks like something I'd see on a thousand sons model perhaps. Or necron. Dunno why it looks Egyptian to me apparently.
terry wrote: could be part of an eldar space ship, so possible return of battlefleet
Nah, Battlefleet is still in the 'maybe' stage. They've just announced Necromunda and Titanicus is coming next year so Battlefleet Gothic is still a long way out.
My guess is an ornate helmcrest for something undead.
The one broken spiny thing makes it look worn in a "back from the grave" way.
Perhaps a statue for shadespire?
They could reuse/modify assets from the Cold Ones and Lizardmen models. There are also few enough they could make an "Eldar Agents" codex with Ynnari, Harlequins, and Exodites in it.
godswildcard wrote: CLEARLY they're re-launching Tomb Kings as the new poster child to Warhammer: Legacy where there will be rank n' file and a return to the old world.
*Sobs alone in the corner*
Here ya go http://www.the-ninth-age.com/ Seriously, no need to cry for a new rank and file game from GW, "9th age" should be able to fix your woes. (Well, except for the TKs )
I'm feeling either Yannari or something Undead related.
godswildcard wrote: CLEARLY they're re-launching Tomb Kings as the new poster child to Warhammer: Legacy where there will be rank n' file and a return to the old world.
*Sobs alone in the corner*
Here ya go http://www.the-ninth-age.com/ Seriously, no need to cry for a new rank and file game from GW, "9th age" should be able to fix your woes. (Well, except for the TKs )
I'm feeling either Yannari or something Undead related.
9th Age pretty much died for me when they decided they're going to make it its own thing with its own setting rather than a fan continuation of WHFB.
Hmm.. well.. this was JUST recently sent out.. but now that I'm looking for it I can't find the e-mail. It had an image that was like a poster but meant to look like the old hand drawn wanted posters or warnings or whatever from Mordheim books/magazines.. describing the beast. The art looked like what is on there.. Is there a chance it's a new version or a named one or something? Whatever it is, that's definitely a squig's mouth in that community image.
It was pretty much solved already, if not officially, but this guy..
Solves another image, although many links in this thread are now broken, so I can't link the original image.
As for the Beastly Unclean One, I'm alright with it as a thing, as long as we get those 6 legged horse crab things as well. Although I do much rather they were the Beasts and the toothed belly thing were something else.
Oh, crap, GW seems to have nuked their old images. Could someone who downloaded them please send me links to a third party album, so I can restore the OP?
Verviedi wrote: Oh, crap, GW seems to have nuked their old images. Could someone who downloaded them please send me links to a third party album, so I can restore the OP?
Mr_Rose wrote: Ragged feather, possibly used as a quill. Could be not!Empire?
Or maybe they’re bringing back mercenary companies and this is the new Paymaster….
It's more likely to be something Free People.
There's a bit of what looks like a prayer-strip 'nailed' into it.
Its a peacock feather... Peacock translated into german is Pfau... Pfau is my family name... I definitely deserve my own 40k model... GW's next release is EmberlordofFire?
godswildcard wrote: CLEARLY they're re-launching Tomb Kings as the new poster child to Warhammer: Legacy where there will be rank n' file and a return to the old world.
*Sobs alone in the corner*
Here ya go http://www.the-ninth-age.com/ Seriously, no need to cry for a new rank and file game from GW, "9th age" should be able to fix your woes. (Well, except for the TKs )
I'm feeling either Yannari or something Undead related.
9th Age pretty much died for me when they decided they're going to make it its own thing with its own setting rather than a fan continuation of WHFB.
I'm more fan of Kings of War myself, but please remember that you can always separate rules and fluff.
As long as you have appropriate rules tu represent your units, you can still play in the Old World.
Also in case you are not already aware, note that Kings of War as an army list perfect for old Tomb Kings players : The Empire of Dust (in the Uncharte Empire supplement for Kings of War)
Back on topic, the feather does look like something that could fit the Emp... er the Free Peoples theme, but I don't have much hope that it will be just some standard human with a feather hat, I feat some exotic "unique-so-we-can-license-the-look-and-name" stuff, but who know, we might get a good surprise ?
godswildcard wrote: CLEARLY they're re-launching Tomb Kings as the new poster child to Warhammer: Legacy where there will be rank n' file and a return to the old world.
*Sobs alone in the corner*
Here ya go http://www.the-ninth-age.com/ Seriously, no need to cry for a new rank and file game from GW, "9th age" should be able to fix your woes. (Well, except for the TKs )
I'm feeling either Yannari or something Undead related.
9th Age pretty much died for me when they decided they're going to make it its own thing with its own setting rather than a fan continuation of WHFB.
I'm more fan of Kings of War myself, but please remember that you can always separate rules and fluff.
As long as you have appropriate rules tu represent your units, you can still play in the Old World.
Also in case you are not already aware, note that Kings of War as an army list perfect for old Tomb Kings players : The Empire of Dust (in the Uncharte Empire supplement for Kings of War)
Back on topic, the feather does look like something that could fit the Emp... er the Free Peoples theme, but I don't have much hope that it will be just some standard human with a feather hat, I feat some exotic "unique-so-we-can-license-the-look-and-name" stuff, but who know, we might get a good surprise ?
But if they move to their own setting they'll be expanding and altering the rules for that setting not for WHF, and if I'm going to have to fanny about with a modified version of my own devising to keep things "proper" WHF which I will need a group to play anyway, why not just play 6th Ed WHFB?
As to the feather - honestly I'm kind of torn on Free People. On the one hand I don't want the existing Empire plastics to go away which they undoubtedly would if GW significanty changed the aesthetic, but on the other I can't ever see myself getting properly into AoS while half the armies are still just WHFB models with even sillier names stuck on the boxes. They still can't seem to make up their mind if they want AoS to be its own new thing or an explicit continuation of the original setting, and as long as there's too much of the latter there I fear I'll keep bouncing off. I'd much rather see all the AoS releases have the same level of thematic and aesthetic "twist" to them as Overlords do.
godswildcard wrote: CLEARLY they're re-launching Tomb Kings as the new poster child to Warhammer: Legacy where there will be rank n' file and a return to the old world.
*Sobs alone in the corner*
Here ya go http://www.the-ninth-age.com/ Seriously, no need to cry for a new rank and file game from GW, "9th age" should be able to fix your woes. (Well, except for the TKs )
I'm feeling either Yannari or something Undead related.
9th Age pretty much died for me when they decided they're going to make it its own thing with its own setting rather than a fan continuation of WHFB.
I'm more fan of Kings of War myself, but please remember that you can always separate rules and fluff.
As long as you have appropriate rules tu represent your units, you can still play in the Old World.
Also in case you are not already aware, note that Kings of War as an army list perfect for old Tomb Kings players : The Empire of Dust (in the Uncharte Empire supplement for Kings of War)
Back on topic, the feather does look like something that could fit the Emp... er the Free Peoples theme, but I don't have much hope that it will be just some standard human with a feather hat, I feat some exotic "unique-so-we-can-license-the-look-and-name" stuff, but who know, we might get a good surprise ?
But if they move to their own setting they'll be expanding and altering the rules for that setting not for WHF, and if I'm going to have to fanny about with a modified version of my own devising to keep things "proper" WHF which I will need a group to play anyway, why not just play 6th Ed WHFB?
As to the feather - honestly I'm kind of torn on Free People. On the one hand I don't want the existing Empire plastics to go away which they undoubtedly would if GW significanty changed the aesthetic, but on the other I can't ever see myself getting properly into AoS while half the armies are still just WHFB models with even sillier names stuck on the boxes. They still can't seem to make up their mind if they want AoS to be its own new thing or an explicit continuation of the original setting, and as long as there's too much of the latter there I fear I'll keep bouncing off. I'd much rather see all the AoS releases have the same level of thematic and aesthetic "twist" to them as Overlords do.
Exactly.
Except for a a few exceptions (savage orcs, ghouls, beatmens), the legacy army should be dropped from AOS, and the aesthetic of these races should have a makeover. Until they do so, the game will only be an uninteresting mishmash
It looks fairly similar to the "Kurnoth Scythes" that the Kurnoth Hunters have access to. Right down to the 'teeth' on the back of the Kurnoth Scythe intended for the Huntmaster. In case you're unfamiliar with them.
We're supposed to see a new hero for each of the Grand Alliances with Firestorm, maybe the Order one is a Kurnoth hero?
He's often accurate (certainly more often than not). But, of late he's not been as reliably as before in the short term - instead we're seeing his rumours come about a good while after.
I'd love to see them though. There's a Dark Elf pirate captain in City of Secrets, so I'm keen to see them!
Earth127 wrote: Curves usually mean elves (weird sentence). Their aesthetic tends to curves not angels.
it's also kind of "hook-ish".
Are the rumours still their about Deep-elves?
We already have "Deep-Aelves". It's the Scourge Privateers faction in Order. The Dark Elf Pirate Captain that Doc Grotsnik refers to is a Black Ark Fleetmaster.
The "new" race that we're really waiting on is the Shadowkin, who we saw a preview of in the Silver Tower box(the Tenebrael Shard and Mistweaver Saih). A lot of people have latched onto Shadowkin as being pirates or something like that, taking the "Lovecraftian" aspect that's been purported by rumormongers as being a "Cthulu-esque" faction. We know nothing about them beyond they have a propensity for guerilla warfare(this is from the Fyreslayers book) and that some of their fighters are described as "being able to turn themselves into shadows".
He's often accurate (certainly more often than not). But, of late he's not been as reliably as before in the short term - instead we're seeing his rumours come about a good while after.
I'd love to see them though. There's a Dark Elf pirate captain in City of Secrets, so I'm keen to see them!
As mentioned, we've seen them. They're a Legacy faction that has fared pretty well. They're even in the Anvilgard box coming up for preorder this week.
terry wrote: the dark elf captain from the city of secrets is a woman, so its not that model
I'm not saying it's that specific character, since the Fleetmaster was released long before "City of Secrets"...simply stating that Dark Elf pirates have been a thing for a long while, and that we've seen them in Age of Sigmar proper.
I could see the Scourge Privateers getting a few new hero models whenever they get their book, but the designs for their stuff don't really match the preview shown.
My guess would be plastic Mandrakes or perhaps Grotesques as they are still resin. With the HUGE clawed fiend skull in the citadel skull box and WDs 2 month articles about that skull being a mystery and that it could be anything perhaps they are building up for a Dark Eldar release?
Missing from DE in plastics would be:
Incubi - Temporarily out of Stock Online
Mandrakes - Temporarily out of Stock Online
Beastmaster with all the beasts: Khymerae, Clawed Fiend, Razorwing flocks
Grotesque
The 4 old retinue options: Sslyth, Medusae, Ur-Ghul and Lhamaean
If they got the above their entire range would be plastic unless I'm missing something (yeah yeah FW).
Mandrakes are still resin so perhaps they are getting plastic models?
There than these the Wracks have similar weapons but they are already plastic.
Well it's ether Dark Eldar or the Undead Pirates teased. Also to those who say Cthulhu sea elves already exist the implication of the rumours from ages ago was the new faction would be sky pirate cthulhu elves to release as an antagonistic faction to the Khradron Overlords. However this could have been people taking it wildly out of context and I will admit I don't follow the AoS rumours with as much accuracy as 40k.
Gamgee wrote: Well it's ether Dark Eldar or the Undead Pirates teased. Also to those who say Cthulhu sea elves already exist the implication of the rumours from ages ago was the new faction would be sky pirate cthulhu elves to release as an antagonistic faction to the Khradron Overlords. However this could have been people taking it wildly out of context and I will admit I don't follow the AoS rumours with as much accuracy as 40k.
You're conflating multiple rumors again.
The "antagonistic faction to the Kharadon Overlords" is Grotling Sky Pirates.
This is the first mention of "Undead Pirates" for Age of Sigmar's lore, and there's looking to be no model release for it.
The "Cthulu Elves" is, again, people doing exactly what you're doing--taking one aspect of a thing(the original mention was "Lovecraftian Elves" and people started repeating it as "Cthulu Elves") and blowing it out of proportion. There was no mention of "pirates" with the Lovecraftian Elves initially. Once the Overlords were released, people started seizing upon some artwork in there of giant tentacled monsters fighting the Overlords as being part of the "Lovecraftian Elves". Once we saw the mention of the Grotling Sky Pirates, places like BoLS and Naftka started repeating the rumor of Cthulu Elves and added the "sky pirate" aspect.
The timeline of the Shadowkin(the "Lovecraftian Elves" in all likelihood, since their brief fluff mentions have them with some very interesting powers and some deep implications that their powers have a very dangerous source/background) rumors has been a textbook example of how rumors and gossip get altered the longer they are out and present.
Gamgee wrote: Well it's ether Dark Eldar or the Undead Pirates teased. Also to those who say Cthulhu sea elves already exist the implication of the rumours from ages ago was the new faction would be sky pirate cthulhu elves to release as an antagonistic faction to the Khradron Overlords. However this could have been people taking it wildly out of context and I will admit I don't follow the AoS rumours with as much accuracy as 40k.
You're conflating multiple rumors again.
The "antagonistic faction to the Kharadon Overlords" is Grotling Sky Pirates.
This is the first mention of "Undead Pirates" for Age of Sigmar's lore, and there's looking to be no model release for it.
The "Cthulu Elves" is, again, people doing exactly what you're doing--taking one aspect of a thing(the original mention was "Lovecraftian Elves" and people started repeating it as "Cthulu Elves") and blowing it out of proportion. There was no mention of "pirates" with the Lovecraftian Elves initially. Once the Overlords were released, people started seizing upon some artwork in there of giant tentacled monsters fighting the Overlords as being part of the "Lovecraftian Elves". Once we saw the mention of the Grotling Sky Pirates, places like BoLS and Naftka started repeating the rumor of Cthulu Elves and added the "sky pirate" aspect.
The timeline of the Shadowkin(the "Lovecraftian Elves" in all likelihood, since their brief fluff mentions have them with some very interesting powers and some deep implications that their powers have a very dangerous source/background) rumors has been a textbook example of how rumors and gossip get altered the longer they are out and present.
Just to add on to this, I'm highly doubtful that the next army released will have any sort of nautical/ship theme. Two ship-based armies in a row would run the risk of shifting the overall theme of the game that way, and I don't think that's the way GW is going with this. We may eventually get these alleged Grotling Sky Pirates, but it'll likely be several releases down the road.
That is a very interesting piece of art that raises a lot of questions, such as:
Is that Sanguinius returned to life, fighting the Chaos serpent depicted on the door to the Emperor's Throne?
Has Chaos made it Terra once again?
Have Chaos Marines been upsized to their Primaris counterparts? (judging by the size of the marines fighting each other)
The angel and serpent fighting in the background could be symbolic, with the angel representing the Adeptus Astartes and the serpent representing Chaos as a whole, or perhaps the schism whose name eludes me that has torn the Imperium in two.
Also, at the outset of the Indomitus Crusade chaos was indeed once again on Terra.
It could merely be a stylistic representation of the last few "current" events of 40k, with in the top the destruction of Cadia, followed by new angels of death rising up to take the fight to chaos and bringing new hope, while the bottom depicting the war as it is now.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ooh, also, the two Reavers are an interesting fluffy choice, as there is always a pair of Reavers flanking Eternity Gate.
The angel and serpent fighting in the background could be symbolic, with the angel representing the Adeptus Astartes and the serpent representing Chaos as a whole, or perhaps the schism whose name eludes me that has torn the Imperium in two.
Also, at the outset of the Indomitus Crusade chaos was indeed once again on Terra.
It could merely be a stylistic representation of the last few "current" events of 40k, with in the top the destruction of Cadia, followed by new angels of death rising up to take the fight to chaos and bringing new hope, while the bottom depicting the war as it is now.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ooh, also, the two Reavers are an interesting fluffy choice, as there is always a pair of Reavers flanking Eternity Gate.
Ahh, I see. I used to be up on 40k lore but seem to have slipped behind with the Roboute content. That answers basically all the questions I had!
Gamgee wrote: Well it's ether Dark Eldar or the Undead Pirates teased. Also to those who say Cthulhu sea elves already exist the implication of the rumours from ages ago was the new faction would be sky pirate cthulhu elves to release as an antagonistic faction to the Khradron Overlords. However this could have been people taking it wildly out of context and I will admit I don't follow the AoS rumours with as much accuracy as 40k.
You're conflating multiple rumors again.
The "antagonistic faction to the Kharadon Overlords" is Grotling Sky Pirates.
This is the first mention of "Undead Pirates" for Age of Sigmar's lore, and there's looking to be no model release for it.
The "Cthulu Elves" is, again, people doing exactly what you're doing--taking one aspect of a thing(the original mention was "Lovecraftian Elves" and people started repeating it as "Cthulu Elves") and blowing it out of proportion. There was no mention of "pirates" with the Lovecraftian Elves initially. Once the Overlords were released, people started seizing upon some artwork in there of giant tentacled monsters fighting the Overlords as being part of the "Lovecraftian Elves". Once we saw the mention of the Grotling Sky Pirates, places like BoLS and Naftka started repeating the rumor of Cthulu Elves and added the "sky pirate" aspect.
The timeline of the Shadowkin(the "Lovecraftian Elves" in all likelihood, since their brief fluff mentions have them with some very interesting powers and some deep implications that their powers have a very dangerous source/background) rumors has been a textbook example of how rumors and gossip get altered the longer they are out and present.
Hmm that I didn't know. Except the Grotling Sky Pirates. I know that. Good to know.
The Wanderers list gave us some new artifacts and traits that give them birds as "ranged weapons" essentially. Would be nice to finally have a plastic Wanderer mage available.
May worth be noting the text that went along with the pic as they call it "PARTICULARLY awesome". Emphasis theirs. Don't think they've called it out like that before.
That's a really detailed eagle, but from the looks of it, it's not modeled to represent an actual animal, but a decoration.
OF COURSE, it could just be another Stormcast Eternal. Let's hope that's not the case.
It looks big, whatever it is. I doubt it'd be a helmet decoration, but it'd be a really gaudy one if it was... I'm guessing something that's going to be on a vehicle-sized model or larger. The next Primarch could be a good guess, or a standard bearer of some kind, maybe...
Azreal13 wrote: Dorn was the first thought I had too, but it looks plastic to me, and surely Dorn won't get a 40K plastic kit before a 30K resin?
(I say this in certain knowledge that this is eminently possible!)
Dorn is the next primarch that will come out from FW so it could be the plastic one and still come out after the resin, depending on the timeframe. But I’m not sure they’d do them that close together.
Could it be a possible Lion model for new DA codex? I can almost make out the typical winged sword icon to the right of the eagle.
Maybe even a new Azrael model, his current model has a very similar icon on his right shoulder (no eagle obviously)
One can dream! Dark Angels were my first army back in the late 90's. New codex with new Azrael/Lion would be enough for me to build DA Company overnight!
A close look at Judge Dredd's right pauldron has got me believing it's Enforcers for Necromunda, as Enforcers are modeled on Arbites, and Arbites are modeled on Judges.
Outside chance it may be, but a chance all the same.
I'm guessing Our Immortal Emperor will be released at a FW open day (or HH weekender), probably when they release the Siege of Terra book, hopefully after Angelus and maybe a schism of mars one.
Would be cool. Though I suppose it will be something like another set of objective markers.
I know, but we can but dream. Of course, as a complete outright guess, it could actually happen and be a transport for those, er, powered armoured individuals who have rather excited fans.
Would be cool. Though I suppose it will be something like another set of objective markers.
I know, but we can but dream. Of course, as a complete outright guess, it could actually happen and be a transport for those, er, powered armoured individuals who have rather excited fans.
Was about to write that too, but then I recognized the heresy of my thoughts.
I would love for them to rerelease the Macragge scenery. I want that and the destroyed Rhino.
Honestly, I would love for them to release a scenery set of destroyed vehicles from the various armies. A destroy Rhino here, a destroyed Wave Serpent there, and so on.
casvalremdeikun wrote: I would love for them to rerelease the Macragge scenery. I want that and the destroyed Rhino.
Honestly, I would love for them to release a scenery set of destroyed vehicles from the various armies. A destroy Rhino here, a destroyed Wave Serpent there, and so on.
I want destroyed vehicles so that I don't have to buy nice models and "destroy" them!
casvalremdeikun wrote: I would love for them to rerelease the Macragge scenery. I want that and the destroyed Rhino.
Honestly, I would love for them to release a scenery set of destroyed vehicles from the various armies. A destroy Rhino here, a destroyed Wave Serpent there, and so on.
I want destroyed vehicles so that I don't have to buy nice models and "destroy" them!
Exactly. And I am not good at it, so so why even bother?
Being colorized really helps bring out that some of the paints used were metallics, especially around the inner cylinders.
I'm definitely leaning 40k. It looks mechanical. It's design may be something fancy for Eldar or it could be some sort of Inquisition for Imperium.
But guys... I'm starting to think we might actually see some new Imperium stuff. The eagle, the aquila lander core, and now this...? Something Inquisition related.
I'm buggered if i can remember which one, but I'm sure the design of the filigree strongly echoes a Slaaneshi themed kit I've worked on, I thought it may have been the Hellstriders but looking at the pics on GW.com it probably isn't. There's a lot of elements that use those design cues though, so, deliberately or no, I don't think they've given us enough to work with on this one.
Neronoxx wrote: Somebody on the FB mentioned it looks similar to the filigree on the rubric marines.
It also looks really close to the filigree seen on Skitarii units. Those ornate rifles and everything. I don't think the filigree looks that 'chaosy' though.
The filigree on GW models is always very specific. The tzeentch stuff all has a subtle flame motif so it is not that. Elf Eldar and Slaanesh stuff is less symmetrical.
The admech stuff is a little sharper and more angular. It looks most like sisters but looking through the range on the GW site, nothing matches exactly.
This makes me think it is either reimagined sisters or an all new faction.
By the way old rumour pic is definitely not kharadron. I have checked all the sprues and it does not match.
I think this is probably ork mek stuff.
At first I would have liked to believe it might be the backward leg or arm joint of an updated Crusader robot, what Forge world calls a Vorax now, but I don't see that kind of filigree detail anywhere else in the Adeptus Mechanicus line.
It doesn't look like anything in the Militarum line either, unless it's a brand new regiment and anything Eldar would use more rune-like designs.
The only place I see a design like this is in the Forge World Emperor's Children stuff, particularly on Fulgrim and Eidolon. My guess now would be either Emporer's Children or Sisters.
Zhrukal wrote: At first I would have liked to believe it might be the backward leg or arm joint of an updated Crusader robot, what Forge world calls a Vorax now, but I don't see that kind of filigree detail anywhere else in the Adeptus Mechanicus line.
It doesn't look like anything in the Militarum line either, unless it's a brand new regiment and anything Eldar would use more rune-like designs.
The only place I see a design like this is in the Forge World Emperor's Children stuff, particularly on Fulgrim and Eidolon. My guess now would be either Emporer's Children or Sisters.
Ah! That's it, the kit I was trying to think of is sat not six feet away and it's the Kakophoni. The Palatine Blades has some similar detail too. It's not overwhelming, but it is suggestive of the FWEC aesthetic. So, on that (sizeable) assumption, plastic Noise Marines?
The curves and filigree remind me a bit of the old Adeptus Titanicus models, but I guess it's too early for that (and the common wisdom seems to be they're moving to the boxy FW style titans for the new game anyway).
Yeah, looks like a really tiny part. It being 'in the wind' implies some sort of motion, but then all of the characters with capes have them fluttering dynamically, so it really means very little.
I'm leaning towards an AoS kit. Pair it up with that peacock feather and you have something that could very well be an Empire/Free People's character.
It could also imply Dark Angels or something Inquisition in 40k (Sisters of Battle?) but I really think it's going to be AoS. Besides Shadespire and Blightwar, AoS hasn't gotten a lot since 8th dropped, so I feel that they're going to be getting some attention soon.
Much to my chagrin. I always get frustrated when AoS takes up a month when I just want more 40k stuff.
in what context was this mentioned? I need all the info! 
Here ya go 
