zamerion wrote: In the rulebook there are a cadian and catachan models, that are very diferent. I thought they were conversions. But maybe are new models?
Would be fun if they revisited those designs, he made everything universal about the Imperial Guard with those drawings. Could be something Rouboutte declared: the Imperial Guard no longer faffs about with this and that (looking at you, stupid Tanith and your not-universal lasguns) but instead uses a single template.
If it's IG, it would have to be pretty far out, wouldn't it?
This year we have lots of 40k codices, another 2 weeks of Primaris, Death Guard, AoS Shadowkin. Christmas release at the very earliest?
BrookM wrote: Would be fun if they revisited those designs, he made everything universal about the Imperial Guard with those drawings. Could be something Rouboutte declared: the Imperial Guard no longer faffs about with this and that (looking at you, stupid Tanith and your not-universal lasguns) but instead uses a single template.
That's what I'm thinking, that Robby's next degree is to reform and unify the Imperial Guard into a singular, homogeneous entity, possibly similar to how the Imperial Army was structured. There will probably still be a separation between army and navy though; Robby should know the significance of having them apart.
It's much too short to be a standard lasgun. It's either a carbine, pistol, or ... for squats. When someone mentioned Squats in the comments the 40k response was rather coy.
BrookM wrote: Would be fun if they revisited those designs, he made everything universal about the Imperial Guard with those drawings. Could be something Rouboutte declared: the Imperial Guard no longer faffs about with this and that (looking at you, stupid Tanith and your not-universal lasguns) but instead uses a single template.
That's what I'm thinking, that Robby's next degree is to reform and unify the Imperial Guard into a singular, homogeneous entity, possibly similar to how the Imperial Army was structured.
There will probably still be a separation between army and navy though; Robby should know the significance of having them apart.
The Jes Goodwin design is cool. I like it.
I can see him insisting on standardised arms, but not necessarily units. After all, Ice Worlders are ideal for erm....Ice Worlds. Tallarns are masters of desert warfare. That's a skill set you don't want to lose for the sake of aesthetics.
But to distribute the STC for a single pattern of Lasgun to all Forgeworlds does make sense.
BrookM wrote: Would be fun if they revisited those designs, he made everything universal about the Imperial Guard with those drawings. Could be something Rouboutte declared: the Imperial Guard no longer faffs about with this and that (looking at you, stupid Tanith and your not-universal lasguns) but instead uses a single template.
That's what I'm thinking, that Robby's next degree is to reform and unify the Imperial Guard into a singular, homogeneous entity, possibly similar to how the Imperial Army was structured. There will probably still be a separation between army and navy though; Robby should know the significance of having them apart.
The Jes Goodwin design is cool. I like it.
I can see him insisting on standardised arms, but not necessarily units. After all, Ice Worlders are ideal for erm....Ice Worlds. Tallarns are masters of desert warfare. That's a skill set you don't want to lose for the sake of aesthetics.
But to distribute the STC for a single pattern of Lasgun to all Forgeworlds does make sense.
Fair point. It would be logical to keep the specialization of each regiment (send catachans for guerilla jungle warfare, Krieg for Sieges and Trench warfare, etc etc), but standardize their equipment so they are all using the same type of lasgun and same overall pattern of armor, albeit configurable (sort of like how the MkX armor is supposed to be modular)
Configurable armor would actually be doable in a single box set; furry parts for winter armor / valhalla, gasmasks for Krieg, and so on.
This is GW, the Imperial Guard is nothing but cannon fodder that gets ground up into whatever warzone is nearest. Whatever they look like, to GW they are nothing but sods who are supposed to look inept and die in droves.
This is the "small" carbine lasgun currently available. Notice that after the magwell (the area the magazine or "clip" is inserted), there is more "furniture" or barrel shroud. This is followed by even more barrel, consistent with most battle rifles in use today.
Notice here, the actual size of the magazine appears smaller and the barrel starts almost immediately after the magwell. This tells me, either the weapon is a pistol (which might make sense given how big the front sight appears to be) or the weapon is smaller.. ie.. for a smaller individual.
Given how thick the barrel is in relation to the rest of the weapon, and how the body of the weapon from the trigger guard back seems to be very high and thin, I am going to say this is a pistol.
As someone else has pointed out.. it bares resemblance..
According to Lexicanum, Kal was last seen on Necromunda, performing missions for his family (royalty). Maybe this isn't a 40k release.. maybe it's something to do with Necromunda? Given the success of Shadow War.. I dunno..
SilverAlien wrote: How about a new Creed model? He's pretty likely to get one eventually, and a new stat line. His pistols were always kinda an iconic thing for him.
That's quite unlikely, considering how he's now a part of Trazyn's collection.
Then again, maybe he'll make a guest appearance in the necron / ad mech codex.
The shrine bit from before could possibly be a backpack topper for Grey Knights of some sort.
Laspistol, there are a ton of units that use laspistols that could use new plastic models. Guard of various types, inquisitiorial acolytes could use a kit, Imperial priest all come to mind.
Seeing how the grenades and gun point to IG, I'm guessing the shrine bit also is probably IG as it lacks much detail that a small model army would want.
I really hope it is part of a new imperial guard range. New troops, command squad and heavy cross compatible with the neophytes and skitarii.
This would get me to start a new army.
That said there were pretty substantial rumours of an actual new Necromunda so it could be that.
As much as I would love this to be Kal Jerico's pistol, I think it is more likely something for an plastic inquisitor kit? Is Imperial Agents/Inquisition it's own thing? Or is it possible they are lumped in with the Grey Knights? Or possibly (dont throw stones!) Sisters of Battle? Anyway, I'll leave that brain worm here.
Edit: On second thought, if it were for an Inquisitor (or Kal Jerico for that matter) it would likely have some engraving or some embellishments on it. Inquisitorial Henchmen sprue? or some new Imperial Guard command sprue?
MajorWesJanson wrote: The shrine bit from before could possibly be a backpack topper for Grey Knights of some sort.
Laspistol, there are a ton of units that use laspistols that could use new plastic models. Guard of various types, inquisitiorial acolytes could use a kit, Imperial priest all come to mind.
I agree, last weeks thing could be a staff shrine thing and this weeks a priest laspistol. I knew I recognized that design from somewhere and dug up this very old ministorum priest model.
Spoiler:
I know there are alternative models with that "not lasgun" design.
Fafnir wrote: I'm just super hot and bothered that it doesn't look like a marine. Yet.
Seconded! I'd love for a nice long cool down on mureenz for a while (though Ibmaoe am exception for the Custodes!!) and l would LOVE for either (amd hopefully both) a new guard regiment, and a return to an inquisition brimming with options for the inquisitors and thier henchmen and acolytes...
Fafnir wrote: I'm just super hot and bothered that it doesn't look like a marine. Yet.
But please be Inquisition/Sisters. Please, please, please, let me get what I want, this time.
Sisters would be awesome, if only to end those complaints of "gee dubs doesn't care about us because they can't be bothered to give us plastic space-battle-nuns!!!!!!". Still, I'd love plastic sororitas.
While I agree it looks a lot like Escher gangers, this could be another Imperium unit, an Inquisitor, conscripts, Astra Militarum beastmen, there are so many possibilities Or a Shadow War: Necromunda with new Imperial Guard infantry models followed by the new Astra Militarum codex? We will see. I can't wait to see the reveal
JohnnyHell wrote: I love how people keep posting that Escher/Jes Goodwin lasgun when it doesn't look anything alike! (Escher one is way nicer)
You're joking right?
EDIT:
Also.. I'm 90% sure the teaser is a pistol based on that rifle design and not an actual lasgun..
Nope. Not joking. No Godwyn-Bolter style casing, no handgrip area, no canted magwell before the mag itself. I'm not gonna do a Photoshop side by side but the Escher/Goodwin Guard lasgun looks like a Bolter and an AK's lovechild. This teaser? Not so much. They really are noticeably very different.
Hopefully WarhammerTV start doing 'Who's that Lasgun!' inbetween every twitch segment.
Yeah, there's like 12 patterns since rogue trader. Anyway, I think this is Kal's gun. The barrel length and fact Necromunda IS coming out this year are strong indications. However, I do hope it might be a new plastic guard (regiment) sprue...
Titanicus is being produced by Forge World so....it goes by their timescales, not GW's.
No, it's being produced by the Specialist Games division, as would Necromunda be presumably. Initially the plan was to have FW make the AT models in resin, but ostensibly that's under review now and we might end up with SGD using some of their assigned plastics capacity on it after all. It's possible - and this is purely my own, unfounded speculation so don't blame me if it ends up on naffy or whatever - they decided that rather than have a big gap of nothing from SGD while they reworked the titan CADs for plastic production, they would switch around AT and Necro and release the latter first.
The teeth look a little too sharp for a Great Unclean One. Now a Maggoth Lord on the other hand...
Plenty of GUO art with v sharp teeth, plus the FW model is pretty toothy. The trouble with a Maggoth Lord is a) it already exists so would it really qualify for a rumour engine post, even if it's jumping systems? and b)aren't their mouths basically circular like a hag fish?
The teeth look a little too sharp for a Great Unclean One. Now a Maggoth Lord on the other hand...
Plenty of GUO art with v sharp teeth, plus the FW model is pretty toothy. The trouble with a Maggoth Lord is a) it already exists so would it really qualify for a rumour engine post, even if it's jumping systems? and b)aren't their mouths basically circular like a hag fish?
I don't think it's a GUO, GUO's have flat humanesque faces, this looks like a side view so it's of somthing that has a maw/muzzle. Probably is Nurgle though because it looks like it has a pustule/sore at the base of the tooth in the top right.
Reposting to new page, and also look at the left edge, that appears to be the "cheek" and I think it's a face on angle, just only a partial of the mouth, not the whole span.
For comparison
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Of course, it could be a "belly mouth" on a Death Guard or some angle on the rumored new Beasts Of Nurgle that showed up in some of the art that featured Mortarion.
Either a GUO or possibly a Squig. Haven't heard any rumors about Orks, Gobblins, etc., so I'd lean toward the GUO. Plus, this abomination can't go away soon enough.
nerdfest09 wrote: Hey guys, what are the 'Death Rattle' models a few pages back from or for? I like the look of them but don't know where they fit in anything!? :-)
They are the third announced faction from the upcoming Shadespire game.
nerdfest09 wrote: Hey guys, what are the 'Death Rattle' models a few pages back from or for? I like the look of them but don't know where they fit in anything!? :-)
They're for shadespire and I expect them to be released somewhere at the end of this year along with the starter box(containing storm cast and khorne)
Probably a teaser for the Chaos Space Marine codex
I doubt they'd do a teaser for something that's been extensively covered in White Dwarf and is currently being covered in a series of articles on WarCom... no, this is something new! and yeah, Necromunda is not a bad guess. No idea how to interpret that emblem though.
The only thing I keep coming back to is that Lasgun we saw the other day, and my speculation of Guilliman reforming the Guard into the Imperial Army again.
Kanluwen wrote: The only thing I keep coming back to is that Lasgun we saw the other day, and my speculation of Guilliman reforming the Guard into the Imperial Army again.
ph34r wrote: A skull made from the imperial aquila has nothing to do with chaos marines.
How does an imperial aquila changing into a skull not perfectly fit for Chaos Space Marines, which started as Imperial troops (the aquila) before falling to Chaos (the skull)?
ph34r wrote: A skull made from the imperial aquila has nothing to do with chaos marines.
How does an imperial aquila changing into a skull not perfectly fit for Chaos Space Marines, which started as Imperial troops (the aquila) before falling to Chaos (the skull)?
Because the skull is a frequently used Imperial Symbol (moreso than the Aquila)?
ph34r wrote: A skull made from the imperial aquila has nothing to do with chaos marines.
How does an imperial aquila changing into a skull not perfectly fit for Chaos Space Marines, which started as Imperial troops (the aquila) before falling to Chaos (the skull)?
I think you missed the point of that photo being posted.
The Officio Assassinorum's icon is a skull being bisected by a dagger with a tilted crux behind it.
Also, there's not that many more "Major" Temples. The two classified ones are Vanus and Venenum.
ph34r wrote: A skull made from the imperial aquila has nothing to do with chaos marines.
How does an imperial aquila changing into a skull not perfectly fit for Chaos Space Marines, which started as Imperial troops (the aquila) before falling to Chaos (the skull)?
Chaos is an eight pointed star, not a skull?
Tell Khorne he's no longer allowed to use skulls then.
Based on the vague rumours of a Necromunda re-boot this could easily be a new boxed game of that. However, different from the old game.
-Base it around a generic multi-part plastic gang kits (appeals to everyone and old school Necro players) vs. Adeptus Arbites (possibly the logo in that teaser)
-Stuff it with SWA terrain so that everyone can buy in - even those who missed Shadow War: Armageddon...heal some of that community damage
-Keeping it with generic gangers and arbites GW doesn't need to support it with a half dozen gangs or expansions, it can be just the basic game.
-Add in a bit more crunch than SWA.
-Throw in rules for gangers and arbites for use in your Imperium faction 40K armies.
-Gangers can also be used as Chaos Cultists etc.
-You get new players, terrain junkies, 40K nuts, old grognards and the Necromunda devotees all in one box. Price it like SWA...sell 50K units.
-New necromunda generates more interest for the PC reboot that's being done by the guys who did the Mordheim game.
Based on the vague rumours of a Necromunda re-boot this could easily be a new boxed game of that. However, different from the old game.
-Base it around a generic multi-part plastic gang kits (appeals to everyone and old school Necro players) vs. Adeptus Arbites (possibly the logo in that teaser)
-Stuff it with SWA terrain so that everyone can buy in - even those who missed Shadow War: Armageddon...heal some of that community damage
-Keeping it with generic gangers and arbites GW doesn't need to support it with a half dozen gangs or expansions, it can be just the basic game.
-Add in a bit more crunch than SWA.
-Throw in rules for gangers and arbites for use in your Imperium faction 40K armies.
-Gangers can also be used as Chaos Cultists etc.
-You get new players, terrain junkies, 40K nuts, old grognards and the Necromunda devotees all in one box. Price it like SWA...sell 50K units.
-New necromunda generates more interest for the PC reboot that's being done by the guys who did the Mordheim game.
ph34r wrote: A skull made from the imperial aquila has nothing to do with chaos marines.
How does an imperial aquila changing into a skull not perfectly fit for Chaos Space Marines, which started as Imperial troops (the aquila) before falling to Chaos (the skull)?
Chaos is an eight pointed star, not a skull?
Tell Khorne he's no longer allowed to use skulls then.
I did. He got angry.
Come on. Imperium: aquilla. Chaos: Chaos star. Everyone uses skulls. Going by your argument, you could have a skull turn into a skull and... what? Is that Imperials turning Chaos? Heretics repenting and going back to serve the Emperor?
With the traffic and clunk, clunk, clunk of a train in the background, sparks like a train would give off, the vents in the "symbol" like it's a manhole cover would have, my money is on the Necromunda that was first announced January 2017, and recently leaked WD blurb about it coming out in the mext few months. Those numbers and letters are a cryptic clue and not just Arbitrary (see what I did there?)!
The Imperial Aquila, known in ancient times as the Palatine Aquila, is a two-headed eagle sigil which represents the entirety of the Imperium of Man and was chosen by the Emperor of Mankind at the start of the Great Crusade in circa 800.M30. The Aquila replaced the earlier symbol of a lightning bolt that had been used to represent the Imperial forces during the Unification Wars on Terra at the end of the Age of Strife
This is the thumbnail image on the article, it doesn't appear in the video and I don't know if it appears any where else. Given it's name I doubt it does
It's odd that doesn't look much like a human skull. I get a definite ork vibe looking at it.
Sure, it could just be how it turned out, but you could've left the aquila recognizable and given the skill a more human shape. No need for a single extended talon on each foot, to give the appearance of tusks for example. Tweaked the ratios so the forehead isn't so broad relative to the jaw.
It's clearly not intended to be a human skull to me. Might be demon or ork or whatever, but they could've given a much better impression of a human skull while leaving the eagles obvious if they'd wanted to.
Aren't we supposed to see "something new" this year faction wise? Could this be it? What if it's a faction for something on the blocked off side of the Imperium?
My second guess would be Necromunda even if I hope it would be something for guard (3rd pick).
B50-AP/78903//M/h
B? 50? AP (accept preorder?) 7 (July) 8 (Aug) 9 (Sep) 0 (Oct) 3 (the 3rd?) / / M (minute ?) / h (hour ?) Some sort of preorder October 3rd?
krazynadechukr wrote: B50-AP/78903//M/h
B? 50? AP (accept preorder?) 7 (July) 8 (Aug) 9 (Sep) 0 (Oct) 3 (the 3rd?) / / M (minute ?) / h (hour ?) Some sort of preorder October 3rd?
Necromunda?
OH WAIT! What if it's Adeptus Titanicus?
That is some mighty fine conclusion-jumping-to :-D Impressed by your creativity!
krazynadechukr wrote: B50-AP/78903//M/h
B? 50? AP (accept preorder?) 7 (July) 8 (Aug) 9 (Sep) 0 (Oct) 3 (the 3rd?) / / M (minute ?) / h (hour ?) Some sort of preorder October 3rd?
Necromunda?
OH WAIT! What if it's Adeptus Titanicus?
That is some mighty fine conclusion-jumping-to :-D Impressed by your creativity!
Hm, well GW is presenting a new game in the Nova Open event on August 30th. Then the Necromunda will be in the September WD....coincidence?
Nultaar wrote: This is the thumbnail image on the article, it doesn't appear in the video and I don't know if it appears any where else. Given it's name I doubt it does
anybody here saw today's Warhammer TV video till the end? There was Tony Cottrell (FW) with a box full of new and incoming stuff... he basically said Daemon Fulgrim is coming, FW is producing a new line of WH40K characters (with blue boxes instead of the black HH ones)... I missed the last part but he was wearing a badge with the symbol of this video and he was about to show something "previously unseen"...
Gamgee wrote: Aren't we supposed to see "something new" this year faction wise? Could this be it? What if it's a faction for something on the blocked off side of the Imperium?
My second guess would be Necromunda even if I hope it would be something for guard (3rd pick).
... So.... Does anyone else remember the Armageddon Ork hunters? That'd be one and three on your list.
Okay, what about this screams necromunda to people? It's a skull but everything imperium has them. It could be a manhole but... that's again barely even indicative of necromunda and kinda a reach.
Gamgee wrote: Aren't we supposed to see "something new" this year faction wise? Could this be it? What if it's a faction for something on the blocked off side of the Imperium?
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...no? They're cramming in 7 more books before the end of the year (already counting Vaniilla, shiny and Spikey). Where would they possibly fit a new faction, even if more come half heartedly with no models?
SilverAlien wrote: Okay, what about this screams necromunda to people? It's a skull but everything imperium has them. It could be a manhole but... that's again barely even indicative of necromunda and kinda a reach.
new game being shown aug 30, necromunda in September wd, Jerichos laspistol bit teased, new release by specialist rumored in October, manhole cover, traffic Noise in video, train noise in background like a local transit, necromunda "underhive wars" rumored to be the full name....
Means little without a screen grab, but I did see this video shared on FB by either Warhammer TV or a GW store, and the caption mentioned how well Shadow War had sold....
Based on the vague rumours of a Necromunda re-boot this could easily be a new boxed game of that. However, different from the old game.
-Base it around a generic multi-part plastic gang kits (appeals to everyone and old school Necro players) vs. Adeptus Arbites (possibly the logo in that teaser)
-Stuff it with SWA terrain so that everyone can buy in - even those who missed Shadow War: Armageddon...heal some of that community damage
-Keeping it with generic gangers and arbites GW doesn't need to support it with a half dozen gangs or expansions, it can be just the basic game.
-Add in a bit more crunch than SWA.
-Throw in rules for gangers and arbites for use in your Imperium faction 40K armies.
-Gangers can also be used as Chaos Cultists etc.
-You get new players, terrain junkies, 40K nuts, old grognards and the Necromunda devotees all in one box. Price it like SWA...sell 50K units.
-New necromunda generates more interest for the PC reboot that's being done by the guys who did the Mordheim game.
It does seem pretty damn smart if they do this.
I'm fairly certain that quite a lot of old school Necro players would not even be slightly happy with that.
What you're describing isn't Necromunda, it's a Shadow War starter box with its own factions. Necromunda isn't just a game system, it's a setting, if you strip out all the things that make up that setting like the gangs, it isn't Necromunda any more.
Further, what was the point of resurrecting Specialist Games as a brand if they're not going to relaunch the actual Specialist Games? That would be like if they had brough back "Blood Bowl", but instead of actually bringing it back properly as they have done, they'd released a self-contained box set with an "Order" team(humans, elves, dwarfs, lizardmen) vs "Destruction" team(chaos warriors, orcs, goblins, dark elves). Now, considering Blood Bowl has apparently been wildly successful, to the point it even took GW by surprise, I'd say that pushing out a half arsed semi-reboot wearing the crudely hacked off brand-skin of Necromunda like a cape for a quick sales splash before it slides off into obscurity, rather than cashing in on the obvious nostalgia and proven appeal of the brand to release box after box of models at likely hideous prices keeping the money flowing in for months or even years, wouldn't be all that smart.
EDIT: For clarity and the benefit of the Positivity Police - your idea when considered in isolation is not bad, and if provided as a DW:OK-style self contained box game intro for Arbites into 40K, or as a Shadow War starter box, it's a product I'd be very happy with and would likely buy. It's not a product I would be happy buying in the context of a Necromunda replacement, or in the context of its existence being at the expense of a proper Necromunda re-release, is all.
As to the video; it's a cool eagle skull(skull eagle? skeagle?) logo, and the "industrial" tone could well suggest a hive world - I certainly wouldn't object to it being the new branding for Necromunda - but this doesn't even rise to the level of "teaser trailer", it could be almost anything; Necromunda, a SW:A expansion, a new 40K faction, hell it could be part of the cover art of a novel about a unit of Primaris Reivers battling [enemy of the Imperium] on [previously-mentioned hive world]
Yeah, "generic gangers that could also be chaos cultists fighting over mechanicus terrain" would not be necromunda. I don't think anybody would be too excited for that really
Bull0 wrote: Yeah, "generic gangers that could also be chaos cultists fighting over mechanicus terrain" would not be necromunda. I don't think anybody would be too excited for that really
I think there would be plenty of excitement, perhaps just not from people my age who grew with Necromunda (although depending on what the contents look like I'm persuadable even if the game itself isn't to my taste)
I think it's either Legion of the Damned or World Eaters.. though now that I think about it.. the Aquila with the World Eater's doesn't make much sense..
Based on the vague rumours of a Necromunda re-boot this could easily be a new boxed game of that. However, different from the old game.
-Base it around a generic multi-part plastic gang kits (appeals to everyone and old school Necro players) vs. Adeptus Arbites (possibly the logo in that teaser)
-Stuff it with SWA terrain so that everyone can buy in - even those who missed Shadow War: Armageddon...heal some of that community damage
-Keeping it with generic gangers and arbites GW doesn't need to support it with a half dozen gangs or expansions, it can be just the basic game.
-Add in a bit more crunch than SWA.
-Throw in rules for gangers and arbites for use in your Imperium faction 40K armies.
-Gangers can also be used as Chaos Cultists etc.
-You get new players, terrain junkies, 40K nuts, old grognards and the Necromunda devotees all in one box. Price it like SWA...sell 50K units.
-New necromunda generates more interest for the PC reboot that's being done by the guys who did the Mordheim game.
It does seem pretty damn smart if they do this.
I'm fairly certain that quite a lot of old school Necro players would not even be slightly happy with that.
What you're describing isn't Necromunda, it's a Shadow War starter box with its own factions. Necromunda isn't just a game system, it's a setting, if you strip out all the things that make up that setting like the gangs, it isn't Necromunda any more.
Further, what was the point of resurrecting Specialist Games as a brand if they're not going to relaunch the actual Specialist Games? That would be like if they had brough back "Blood Bowl", but instead of actually bringing it back properly as they have done, they'd released a self-contained box set with an "Order" team(humans, elves, dwarfs, lizardmen) vs "Destruction" team(chaos warriors, orcs, goblins, dark elves). Now, considering Blood Bowl has apparently been wildly successful, to the point it even took GW by surprise, I'd say that pushing out a half arsed semi-reboot wearing the crudely hacked off brand-skin of Necromunda like a cape for a quick sales splash before it slides off into obscurity, rather than cashing in on the obvious nostalgia and proven appeal of the brand to release box after box of models at likely hideous prices keeping the money flowing in for months or even years, wouldn't be all that smart.
EDIT: For clarity and the benefit of the Positivity Police - your idea when considered in isolation is not bad, and if provided as a DW:OK-style self contained box game intro for Arbites into 40K, or as a Shadow War starter box, it's a product I'd be very happy with and would likely buy. It's not a product I would be happy buying in the context of a Necromunda replacement, or in the context of its existence being at the expense of a proper Necromunda re-release, is all.
As to the video; it's a cool eagle skull(skull eagle? skeagle?) logo, and the "industrial" tone could well suggest a hive world - I certainly wouldn't object to it being the new branding for Necromunda - but this doesn't even rise to the level of "teaser trailer", it could be almost anything; Necromunda, a SW:A expansion, a new 40K faction, hell it could be part of the cover art of a novel about a unit of Primaris Reivers battling [enemy of the Imperium] on [previously-mentioned hive world]
Oh I didn't mean that old school Necromunda players would want the game, just the models. I 100% believe there is no way in hell we're getting a proper Necromunda replacement which revolves around numerous aesthetically different gangs. When metal disappeared, the ability to do small run forces went out the window. There is not a chance in hell that GW will produce a full line of plastics to support a specialist game like Necromunda.
I firmly believe that if Necromunda comes back at all, it'll be a totally different game. I don't think any Necromunda fans really have a genuine expectation of a proper replacement coming out. That's a kind of pipe dream. So the second best thing? Some new models and terrain. I just expect from a business perspective that the above idea is the best/easiest option to appease (in some small part) a large portion of their fan base. Just doing a terrain box again at a discount would sell 10's of thousands of copies.
You know what, there's a chance we could just get Shadow War: Necromunda and have two new factions: gangers and arbites...and they could simply be tossed in with the current SWA rules and army lists, etc. Who knows.
So people were just saying about how the mechanicus terrain was a poor fit for Necromunda and I started imagining GW coming up with a set of "Hiveworld" terrain that was:
1. In scale and theme with the original Necromunda hybrid plastic bulkhead/card floor terrain but all plastic and;
2. Made with the same mathematical approach to the overall design and final fit of the parts
Based on the vague rumours of a Necromunda re-boot this could easily be a new boxed game of that. However, different from the old game.
-Base it around a generic multi-part plastic gang kits (appeals to everyone and old school Necro players) vs. Adeptus Arbites (possibly the logo in that teaser)
-Stuff it with SWA terrain so that everyone can buy in - even those who missed Shadow War: Armageddon...heal some of that community damage
-Keeping it with generic gangers and arbites GW doesn't need to support it with a half dozen gangs or expansions, it can be just the basic game.
-Add in a bit more crunch than SWA.
-Throw in rules for gangers and arbites for use in your Imperium faction 40K armies.
-Gangers can also be used as Chaos Cultists etc.
-You get new players, terrain junkies, 40K nuts, old grognards and the Necromunda devotees all in one box. Price it like SWA...sell 50K units.
-New necromunda generates more interest for the PC reboot that's being done by the guys who did the Mordheim game.
It does seem pretty damn smart if they do this.
I'm fairly certain that quite a lot of old school Necro players would not even be slightly happy with that.
What you're describing isn't Necromunda, it's a Shadow War starter box with its own factions. Necromunda isn't just a game system, it's a setting, if you strip out all the things that make up that setting like the gangs, it isn't Necromunda any more.
Further, what was the point of resurrecting Specialist Games as a brand if they're not going to relaunch the actual Specialist Games? That would be like if they had brough back "Blood Bowl", but instead of actually bringing it back properly as they have done, they'd released a self-contained box set with an "Order" team(humans, elves, dwarfs, lizardmen) vs "Destruction" team(chaos warriors, orcs, goblins, dark elves). Now, considering Blood Bowl has apparently been wildly successful, to the point it even took GW by surprise, I'd say that pushing out a half arsed semi-reboot wearing the crudely hacked off brand-skin of Necromunda like a cape for a quick sales splash before it slides off into obscurity, rather than cashing in on the obvious nostalgia and proven appeal of the brand to release box after box of models at likely hideous prices keeping the money flowing in for months or even years, wouldn't be all that smart.
EDIT: For clarity and the benefit of the Positivity Police - your idea when considered in isolation is not bad, and if provided as a DW:OK-style self contained box game intro for Arbites into 40K, or as a Shadow War starter box, it's a product I'd be very happy with and would likely buy. It's not a product I would be happy buying in the context of a Necromunda replacement, or in the context of its existence being at the expense of a proper Necromunda re-release, is all.
As to the video; it's a cool eagle skull(skull eagle? skeagle?) logo, and the "industrial" tone could well suggest a hive world - I certainly wouldn't object to it being the new branding for Necromunda - but this doesn't even rise to the level of "teaser trailer", it could be almost anything; Necromunda, a SW:A expansion, a new 40K faction, hell it could be part of the cover art of a novel about a unit of Primaris Reivers battling [enemy of the Imperium] on [previously-mentioned hive world]
Oh I didn't mean that old school Necromunda players would want the game, just the models. I 100% believe there is no way in hell we're getting a proper Necromunda replacement which revolves around numerous aesthetically different gangs. When metal disappeared, the ability to do small run forces went out the window. There is not a chance in hell that GW will produce a full line of plastics to support a specialist game like Necromunda.
I firmly believe that if Necromunda comes back at all, it'll be a totally different game. I don't think any Necromunda fans really have a genuine expectation of a proper replacement coming out. That's a kind of pipe dream. So the second best thing? Some new models and terrain. I just expect from a business perspective that the above idea is the best/easiest option to appease (in some small part) a large portion of their fan base. Just doing a terrain box again at a discount would sell 10's of thousands of copies.
You know what, there's a chance we could just get Shadow War: Necromunda and have two new factions: gangers and arbites...and they could simply be tossed in with the current SWA rules and army lists, etc. Who knows.
I mean, two years ago I'd have 100% agreed with you, gak apparently I'm renowned for pessimism, but after Blood Bowl I think main-GW would have to actively interfere and try hard to feth up a new Specialist Games division version of Necromunda. I mean just transpose the BB release model over - starter box with 2 all-plastic factions, subsequent solo release of those factions plus 5 additonal plastic factions(atm 3, but we know plastic Elven Union and probably Nurgle are on the way) and 2+ plastic "big guy" models, and multiple resin extras through FW - and you could easily do Necromunda.
Galactic star coordinates. 50 Longitude and 78903 light years out (right on the edge of galactic space). Map below, but remember that you need to reorient yourself to this map, as it is not on the same plane here as a standard 40K map.
So if you imagine 90 degrees is straight up from earth, do 50 degrees, draw a line and go out that many light years. Looks like deep in the Dark lmperium, past the Gothic Secter to me, perhaps close or past the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath?
Could be wrong, but only thing I see it working with.
If you add the video's title to the warhammer-community url (as shown below), it redirects to a 24/11/2016 article about heavily armoured reinforcements in LotR.
The teaser for next month is 30 years of 40k. That code read backwards is 30/9/87. This cannot be a coincidence. I am guessing some kind of commemorative release and not Necromunda.
This makes me think it's something to do with a "Dark Imperium". If your coordinates are right then it would mean they were cut off from gulliman for a long time and not only that but if the time warps made them jump forward even longer we could be seeing a totally new vaguely "Imperial" release of some sort.
if this was Necromunda then why wouldn't it use standard Imperial markings? If the Aquila is going to be on a sewer it's going to use the standard Aquila not some weird design.
Wait a second... chaos renegades faction of GW flavor?
Skull-eagle design kind of reminds me of the new reiver masks and the primaris chaplain's helmet, but that could just be the new aesthetic GW is using for skulls.
Don't the Emperor's Children still use imperial eagles in their iconography?
Still, my best guess would be astra militarum, possibly armageddon steel legion / ork hunters (steel legion officers have skull faceplates and the skull looks very slightly orkish). I've seem some muttering (probably wishful thinking, but still) about an ork codex before Christmas with a new Ghaz model, so Armageddon would tie in with that.
Chikout wrote: The teaser for next month is 30 years of 40k. That code read backwards is 30/9/87. This cannot be a coincidence. I am guessing some kind of commemorative release and not Necromunda.
I agree and let's not forget that everything started with Rogue Traders. In 1st Edition they were intended to be the center of many forces on the tabletop while nowadays they are mostly background and rpg material. Just a guess but could they (FW/GW) bring back Rogue Traders as a playable faction, in a standalone game or a handful of anniversary miniatures with rules for 40k?
Rogue Traders as a faction and then a new Xenos race, put them together in a box set. Holy how awesome would that be?!
Also Chikout with the sherlock skills there, that just seems obvious now.
Very interesting, so I am guessing the WD will mainly feature DG but since Necromunda is going to be teased at least in the next issue....hmm maybe they will give us a compilation of some of the things coming in the future, Shadespire, Necromunda, Titanicus etc?
This thread is suddenly so much fun. There are people at GW laughing their asses off at our speculation.
Bull0 wrote: Yeah, "generic gangers that could also be chaos cultists fighting over mechanicus terrain" would not be necromunda. I don't think anybody would be too excited for that really
Chikout wrote: The teaser for next month is 30 years of 40k. That code read backwards is 30/9/87. This cannot be a coincidence. I am guessing some kind of commemorative release and not Necromunda.
Chikout wrote: The teaser for next month is 30 years of 40k. That code read backwards is 30/9/87. This cannot be a coincidence. I am guessing some kind of commemorative release and not Necromunda.
I saw this on Facebook. It is the same image as the badge.
Tony Cottrell wearing it doesn't really reduce the possibilities. He is in charge of forgeworld but he is also one of the longest serving members of GW and gave a interview previously on warhammer live about the history of 40k.
Chikout wrote: The teaser for next month is 30 years of 40k. That code read backwards is 30/9/87. This cannot be a coincidence. I am guessing some kind of commemorative release and not Necromunda.
... whilst I'd love it to be for necromunda or adeptus titanicus or whatever one suspects it's probably something closer to an army building app or something.
I saw this on Facebook. It is the same image as the badge.
Tony Cottrell wearing it doesn't really reduce the possibilities. He is in charge of forgeworld but he is also one of the longest serving members of GW and gave a interview previously on warhammer live about the history of 40k.
Could be a teaser for Mortarion? It could be an representation of his face which was always sunken and skull like and got worse when he ascended to daemonhood. Not sure how that links to the eagles but it could be linked to him being s primarch. Also although September is NOW the 9th month of the year it was originally the 7th hence SEPT. And nurgle's number is 7...
Just catching up on P&M blogs this morning when Dsteingass had mentioned that most imperial guard kits have a restock date of early august, except for Catchcans which he was not given an estimated date for. This could be for them, as RG would need to muster the imperial guard/Astra whatever to fight the chaos onslaught. New plastics are direly needed there too.
Theophony wrote: Just catching up on P&M blogs this morning when Dsteingass had mentioned that most imperial guard kits have a restock date of early august, except for Catchcans which he was not given an estimated date for. This could be for them, as RG would need to muster the imperial guard/Astra whatever to fight the chaos onslaught. New plastics are direly needed there too.
restock date...for physical stores? or what?...because I'd noticed on the GW webstore, the catachan kits have been on "online exclusive" order for a fair while now, at least in Australia...
I certainly wouldn't complain about some fresh catachans though, they sure do need a new kit!
Theophony wrote: Just catching up on P&M blogs this morning when Dsteingass had mentioned that most imperial guard kits have a restock date of early august, except for Catchcans which he was not given an estimated date for. This could be for them, as RG would need to muster the imperial guard/Astra whatever to fight the chaos onslaught. New plastics are direly needed there too.
restock date...for physical stores? or what?...because I'd noticed on the GW webstore, the catachan kits have been on "online exclusive" order for a fair while now, at least in Australia...
I certainly wouldn't complain about some fresh catachans though, they sure do need a new kit!
He sent GW an email, he is bulking out his guard army and a few things were out of stock. GW responded with the dates for all the kits except the catchcans. Could be the usual worn out mold, no date yet, but that image does scream death world to me.
I saw this on Facebook. It is the same image as the badge.
Tony Cottrell wearing it doesn't really reduce the possibilities. He is in charge of forgeworld but he is also one of the longest serving members of GW and gave a interview previously on warhammer live about the history of 40k.
Could be a teaser for Mortarion? It could be an representation of his face which was always sunken and skull like and got worse when he ascended to daemonhood. Not sure how that links to the eagles but it could be linked to him being s primarch. Also although September is NOW the 9th month of the year it was originally the 7th hence SEPT. And nurgle's number is 7...
Man, people are really really really hung up on the skull. Skulls are all over the 40k universe. This is the weakest clue in the video. You have a subway sounding train in the background, traffic, and crowd noises, sparks from something being made or a subway train, a manhole cover looking thing... We know FW / Specialist games IS coming out with Necromunda Sept/Oct, we saw a bit hint that looks like Jericho's pistol, Tony Cottrell is wearing the symbol and talking about a new (boxed) game being revealed and played August 30th, WD will have Necromunda.... But hey, a skull! Must be Khorne! Must be Nurgle! Must be what I want it to be! In all good humor, look and listen to all the clues in that video. It's either Necromunda, or maybe (long stretch) Adeptus Titanicus perhaps.
Yeah that's kinda what I was driving at, people are hearing "city noises" because they expect necromunda and it's vague enough to be interpreted that way. It is true of just about every thing people claim is tied to necromunda in this thread tbh.
It'S intersting, taht it appears to be connected to FW. In one twitch session a FW Guy wore the logo as a batch. And on Instagram, some FW painters shared it too
Maybe we are all looking at this the wrong way. Maybe this is going to be the new logo for the Specialist Games Developers and we will be getting a preview of what's to come? There was a hint of that kind of thing in this months white dwarf.
A few reasons; the 8th Rulebook features them dozens of time in the images, Cadia has blown up and with it a great excuse to move the Cadians to direct only, Armageddon has moved back into the limelight and could be the first big campaign expansion (excluding Konor), DKOK are a popular FW line, long coat guard have been long rumoured, they would sell like hot cakes (basically printing money). The las-weapon that looks like a necromunda model could be an Armageddon pattern las-weapon. The sergeants have skull masks on their helmets. Aquila is an imperial symbol.
You could pick holes in any of the reasons, it's just a hunch and the above is why I think why. As soon as I looked into the new rulebook the amount of screen time the steel legion got was surprising so I have suspected them coming for a little while now.
I think Steel Legion are basically the Chinese version of Krieg, but they are cool enough that I'll be very happy if they become the new face of the Imperial Guard.
I still believe that Vostroyans are the perfect mix of historical and 40k fantasy from all of the Imperial Guard regimens, tought. The rest are or just a historical rip off (Mordians, Valhallans, Krieg and Steel Legion) or a "fantasy rip off (Cadians with Starship Troopers, Catachans with Rambo, etc...)
A few reasons; the 8th Rulebook features them dozens of time in the images, Cadia has blown up and with it a great excuse to move the Cadians to direct only, Armageddon has moved back into the limelight and could be the first big campaign expansion (excluding Konor), DKOK are a popular FW line, long coat guard have been long rumoured, they would sell like hot cakes (basically printing money). The las-weapon that looks like a necromunda model could be an Armageddon pattern las-weapon. The sergeants have skull masks on their helmets. Aquila is an imperial symbol.
You could pick holes in any of the reasons, it's just a hunch and the above is why I think why. As soon as I looked into the new rulebook the amount of screen time the steel legion got was surprising so I have suspected them coming for a little while now.
I am so ready for a new Armageddon war, it's my favourite warzone, has my favourite guard (well kinda second next to DKoK), favourite chapter and chaplain, my first novel I read, nothin but war war and war!
A few reasons; the 8th Rulebook features them dozens of time in the images, Cadia has blown up and with it a great excuse to move the Cadians to direct only, Armageddon has moved back into the limelight and could be the first big campaign expansion (excluding Konor), DKOK are a popular FW line, long coat guard have been long rumoured, they would sell like hot cakes (basically printing money). The las-weapon that looks like a necromunda model could be an Armageddon pattern las-weapon. The sergeants have skull masks on their helmets. Aquila is an imperial symbol.
You could pick holes in any of the reasons, it's just a hunch and the above is why I think why. As soon as I looked into the new rulebook the amount of screen time the steel legion got was surprising so I have suspected them coming for a little while now.
A few reasons; the 8th Rulebook features them dozens of time in the images, Cadia has blown up and with it a great excuse to move the Cadians to direct only, Armageddon has moved back into the limelight and could be the first big campaign expansion (excluding Konor), DKOK are a popular FW line, long coat guard have been long rumoured, they would sell like hot cakes (basically printing money). The las-weapon that looks like a necromunda model could be an Armageddon pattern las-weapon. The sergeants have skull masks on their helmets. Aquila is an imperial symbol.
You could pick holes in any of the reasons, it's just a hunch and the above is why I think why. As soon as I looked into the new rulebook the amount of screen time the steel legion got was surprising so I have suspected them coming for a little while now.
If you're right again, I will paint my next sergeant's head pink. I swear.
Steel Legion makes sense except for the hints that it's a Forge World/Specialist Games release. I'm still betting on Necromunda but would be cool with Steel Legion.
I have but one grievance, and that is that the Rumour Engine pictures don't have standardized file names. If they could all be named RumourEngine9Aug or such, with no extraneous random letters or underscores, that would be wonderful.
It's most likely a Space Marine backpack component, or perhaps a CSM shoulder extender.
Theophony wrote: Just catching up on P&M blogs this morning when Dsteingass had mentioned that most imperial guard kits have a restock date of early august, except for Catchcans which he was not given an estimated date for. This could be for them, as RG would need to muster the imperial guard/Astra whatever to fight the chaos onslaught. New plastics are direly needed there too.
Could it be Legion of the damned? They're not in the new SM codex so maybe a stand alone codex for them and that's their logo?
Theophony wrote: Just catching up on P&M blogs this morning when Dsteingass had mentioned that most imperial guard kits have a restock date of early august, except for Catchcans which he was not given an estimated date for. This could be for them, as RG would need to muster the imperial guard/Astra whatever to fight the chaos onslaught. New plastics are direly needed there too.
Spoiler:
Could it be Legion of the damned? They're not in the new SM codex so maybe a stand alone codex for them and that's their logo?
Theophony wrote: Just catching up on P&M blogs this morning when Dsteingass had mentioned that most imperial guard kits have a restock date of early august, except for Catchcans which he was not given an estimated date for. This could be for them, as RG would need to muster the imperial guard/Astra whatever to fight the chaos onslaught. New plastics are direly needed there too.
Could it be Legion of the damned? They're not in the new SM codex so maybe a stand alone codex for them and that's their logo?
Their in there.
Legion of the Damned
– An overview of the Legion of the Damned;
– A datasheet for Legion of the Damned miniatures.
Even compared to normal that picture is shockingly unhelpful. I thought about listing off everything in GW/FW that can include spikes but it basically amounts to 1/3-1/2 of their products.
So idk... chaos blood bowl models. There, that's at least the intersection of two spiky things.
Tomorrow is the FW Open day (technically today now at time of posting) so it's unlikely to be anything too high profile that's linked to the GW Main Studio, which tips it more towards a FW or SGS release I expect.
If it's FW open day...my guess is now more on Necromunda, but maybe not the GW prime boxed game I was expecting. If GW does the old school Necromunda approach - I think (as someone mentioned here before) they'd have to do resin...sadly.
I seriously fear for GW doing a Necromunda game. I believe that the depth and amount of upgrades will be SEVERELY restricted, from essentially whatever one wants, to the contents of a plastic box.
While I understand people being reticent, if we get a new Necromunda it should be coming from the same guys who did the new Blood Bowl and with a similar level of investment, so in theory it should just be a tweaked version of the classic ruleset with multiple plastic gangs and resin expansions/characters.
Specialist Games seem to have a reasonable amount of autonomy, and I think their handling of Blood Bowl, while not perfect, has earned them some benefit of the doubt.
Verviedi wrote: I seriously fear for GW doing a Necromunda game. I believe that the depth and amount of upgrades will be SEVERELY restricted, from essentially whatever one wants, to the contents of a plastic box.
I wouldn't worry too much. The specialist games section is deliberately separate from the main studio and has a different philosophy. If you look at bloodbowl, you have rules for teams that do not have miniatures yet and there was a whole series of videos about how to convert minis to field those teams.
From what I have seen from the Adeptus Titanicus previews, they are not shying away from a little complexity.
The whole point of doing Necromunda in addition to shadow war would be to provide players with the classic Necromunda experience.
Edit ninjad by Yodhrin. I agree with them.
Gamgee wrote: What time tomorrow will it be revealed? I'm a canadian in est.
Just pause for a second, consider the fact that nobody knows for sure exactly what it is, and ponder how likely someone is going to be able to offer an accurate answer...
Gamgee wrote: What time tomorrow will it be revealed? I'm a canadian in est.
Just pause for a second, consider the fact that nobody knows for sure exactly what it is, and ponder how likely someone is going to be able to offer an accurate answer...
If it is part of the forgeworld open day, sometime between 10am and 5 pm UK time. If it is on the community site some time between 3 pm and 7pm UK time is normal.
Wonder if hive gangers will get rules for 40k as well as Necromunda? Would be kinda fun I think. They wouldn't be particularly powerful, but it'd be nice if gangers got stuck in too.
I don't see why you wouldn't throw in ganger-style cultist rules for Imperials. Maybe not separate per type of gang, but just a generic Imperial Hiveworld Gang unit entry, etc.
Hive Gangers are usually pressed into service after being plucked off the streets, given a shoddy vest, and a lasgun, then pointed in the general direction of the enemy.
Crazyterran wrote: Hive Gangers are usually pressed into service after being plucked off the streets, given a shoddy vest, and a lasgun, then pointed in the general direction of the enemy.
Also known as conscripts. :p
If I remember correctly, Armageddon actually had rules for Hive Cultists with pistols and CCWs...so not always are they given anything from the Guard itself.
That was because the Orks were right on their doorstep, wasn't it? The defenders didn't even have time to line up all the new recruits and hand them an official lasgun; they just pointed them out the door and told them to shoot everything green with whatever weapons they already had.
On the other hand, Imperial Guard troops recruited from hive gangs were often above average, not crappy conscripts.
AndrewGPaul wrote: That was because the Orks were right on their doorstep, wasn't it? The defenders didn't even have time to line up all the new recruits and hand them an official lasgun; they just pointed them out the door and told them to shoot everything green with whatever weapons they already had.
It wasn't even that--the gangs came out of the woodwork and just fought.
On the other hand, Imperial Guard troops recruited from hive gangs were often above average, not crappy conscripts.
Gamgee wrote: Looks skaven and like they are carrying around flasks of poison. Weren't there rumors a long time ago about a clan Skyrer release for AoS?
My bet is on that.
Skaven are strongly rumoured to be the fourth faction in shadespire so it could be that.
My first thought was an Ork magic user of some sort, but I think Kan has it for Seraphon Lizardmen, I'm not sure it's a Slaan, but the details on the bottles looks quite Aztec.
I doubt it's Skryer. The get special allegiance abilities in GH2, which would be pretty much wasted space if there was a battletome to follow in the next months.
Damn they really seem to have quite the variety in characters.
Haven't even put together my DIDG yet as im waiting to move house, waiting for this release and trying to resist starting another army until at least finishing one but will be buying a lot of DG.
Gonna be the first army I collect centered around a special character, since I never use SC's.
Edit: Also in the latest regimental standard there is a cheeky mention of beasts of nurgle being fought against, gonna go with thats a hint.
These look completely different to me. More like wine gourds you would see in a kung fu movie. I wouldn't rule out AoS Nurgle/Nurgle Daemons, though, since Tzeentch got a large AoS/Daemon release shortly after Thousand Sons.
I can definitely see this as some kind of Apothecary. I could also see it being a sort of chem brewer. Perhaps he can buff plague weapons, make it to where one model/unit could reroll all failed to wound rather than just ones?
Have an exalt!
Or a Shadow War: Necromunda with new Imperial Guard infantry models followed by the new Astra Militarum codex? We will see. I can't wait to see the reveal 
