Skywave wrote:


And for all of you guys talking about old models :

This is a gorgeous army!

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They were crap even when they first came out.

And yes, this is one of the few times I’ve been definitive about relative values on Dakka.

You’ve probably earned a badge.

Their plastic brethren managed to look even worse:

I love these guys! This kit was cool, and rather good for its time. The current plastics are also cool with their modern aesthetics. The metal ones in between… Just no.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Nice!

Also look like they might genuinely scale well with their modern iterations?

I have no actual Exocrine to compare them to, but they are more chunky than regular Tyrannofex or Maleceptor/Toxicrene (those I have)! I based them and needed bigger base to have them fit (thanks to the slug design!), they are on a 170x105mmbase.

Prometheum5 wrote:

 Skywave wrote:


And for all of you guys talking about old models :

This is a gorgeous army!

Thanks! That's only the painted part of my old models, still have some to to, plus a whole swat of models from all edition after that!

 AduroT wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They were crap even when they first came out.

And yes, this is one of the few times I’ve been definitive about relative values on Dakka.

You’ve probably earned a badge.

Their plastic brethren managed to look even worse:

I love these guys! This kit was cool, and rather good for its time. The current plastics are also cool with their modern aesthetics. The metal ones in between… Just no.

The 3rd edition Tyranid release is a really odd spot for me.
On the one hand it set in stone some elements such as their 6 limbed form. Things that were kind of there in earlier models, but were really reinforced strongly in this release.
It also created some really iconic kits such as hormagaunts, warriors and such that have lasted the test of time really well. Indeed when I look back most of the plastics that came with that release were very solid models.

The metals I almost get a feeling were designed by a different sculptor and have a slightly different take. Not outright bad, but certainly a very different style. I was never a big fan of the beetle carny nor the way they did jaws in that edition of Tyranids. Zoanthropes did really well in that edition design wise and since then they've improved and become more brainy, but still carry that same floaty design.

It was an edition that did a lot of good for Tyranids, but I think that the 4th edition that came after was really the golden age for setting in stone big design changes and plastic models and so forth. Honestly one of the only things I miss from the 3rd edition is that raveners had much longer and more coiled tails, whilst their shift to plastic they became much shorter and almost unbalanced in design. The earlier ones felt much more snake-like and whip-coil; whilst the newer are a bit more "this is the idea of the model but its not really how it is in lore nor how it would funciton; its just easier to sculpt in plastic.

I'd actually welcome new raveners with GW's current plastic casting and cutting design work because we could see a return to long bodies and tails.

Love those old warriors, I have 12 of them.

While it's hard to see in the pics, one of the most fascinating things about the model is you can see the creature's internal organs through its ribs. At the time, that was a really mind-blowing feature, and quite interesting to paint.

 Overread wrote:


It was an edition that did a lot of good for Tyranids, but I think that the 4th edition that came after was really the golden age for setting in stone big design changes and plastic models and so forth. Honestly one of the only things I miss from the 3rd edition is that raveners had much longer and more coiled tails, whilst their shift to plastic they became much shorter and almost unbalanced in design. The earlier ones felt much more snake-like and whip-coil; whilst the newer are a bit more "this is the idea of the model but its not really how it is in lore nor how it would funciton; its just easier to sculpt in plastic.

I'd actually welcome new raveners with GW's current plastic casting and cutting design work because we could see a return to long bodies and tails.

Having built the plastic Raveners recently, I agree with that. I am used to the 3rd edition metal, so I was surprised by how stumpy they look (very short tail) and how much bigger/wider their torso are (compared to Warriors), making then look very top heavy. And that's the regular torso, those with the gun looks even bigger! One of the model is also heavily leaning forward for some reason, like they never learned from the Hormagaunts or something, makes it quite precarious to balance. They are fine models, but I do indeed prefer what they were going for in 3rd, especially the head (very narrow head and a Mawloc/Red Terror style maw that expand when open, very cool!).

 Skywave wrote:

 Overread wrote:


It was an edition that did a lot of good for Tyranids, but I think that the 4th edition that came after was really the golden age for setting in stone big design changes and plastic models and so forth. Honestly one of the only things I miss from the 3rd edition is that raveners had much longer and more coiled tails, whilst their shift to plastic they became much shorter and almost unbalanced in design. The earlier ones felt much more snake-like and whip-coil; whilst the newer are a bit more "this is the idea of the model but its not really how it is in lore nor how it would funciton; its just easier to sculpt in plastic.

I'd actually welcome new raveners with GW's current plastic casting and cutting design work because we could see a return to long bodies and tails.

Having built the plastic Raveners recently, I agree with that. I am used to the 3rd edition metal, so I was surprised by how stumpy they look (very short tail) and how much bigger/wider their torso are (compared to Warriors), making then look very top heavy. And that's the regular torso, those with the gun looks even bigger! One of the model is also heavily leaning forward for some reason, like they never learned from the Hormagaunts or something, makes it quite precarious to balance. They are fine models, but I do indeed prefer what they were going for in 3rd, especially the head (very narrow head and a Mawloc/Red Terror style maw that expand when open, very cool!).

Honestly, I think those should be on bigger bases, as it is they are already in danger of spilling out of their base.

Edit, I think the metal 4th edition ones where the best.

 Altruizine wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

As for the 'alien' - DMT machine elves or whatever are all fine and dandy, but let's not forget that this stuff here is intended to be a range of game-pieces first and foremost; 'these are the fast ones', 'these are tough' and 'this one has a huge killy gun' is something that should be legible even if you're not that familiar with the range, and the pieces need to be facile to assemble and paint for the average gamer. That severely limits how alien these aliens can be, and is a necessity for the wider health of the game and the range.

No, I'm fine with that. I don't *want* the models to look alien, I like the 4th through 10th aesthetic, dino-beetles with cleavers and machine pistols growing out of their hands, who throw down with the chainsaw space knights and bodyglove elves that populate the rest of the setting. I just want people to stop describing every detail they enjoy on a Tyranid model "alien" when it's not accurate from an informed POV.

OK, I'm intrigued. Altruizine, can you give some visual examples (from paintings, drawings, comics, movies, whatever source you like, as long as it's visual, not textual) of aliens that you think it's appropriate to describe as alien?

So after another more thorough look through the big Leviathan book there are some very noticeable absences from the Tyranid range that appear in none of the photos.

No Genestealers, not even in the GSC sections.
No Warriors (save the new winged prime)
No Trygon, or Mawloc.
No hormagaunts.
No gargoyles.
No bio/pyrovores.
No Carnifex.

I also spotted a couple of other unknown artwork monsters. A very large looking what could be described as a “fat heirophant” and another picture that matches the one posted yesterday of a much larger hive tyrant looking monster with bigger shoulder pads, this time with some kind of bio cannon. I’d post pics but have no idea how to do it.

New Gargoyles and Trygons I would see as weird as those are relatively new.

Yeah I’d be surprised to see them redone. But they are conspicuous by their absence.

For being the big bad of the edition, good pics of the range are hard to find.

I wonder how much is just “focus on the new kits” and not “don’t leak stuff”

Going to be an interesting bit of time until the codex drops. Or we get more leaks.

Yeah GW has gone hard with not allowing leaks - to be fair about 1 day after they showed the new models in Leviathan there were 3D print versions of them on sale. So yeah I can see GW being as cagey as heck these days.

That said I suspect some of the absent models are just absent through choice rather than because they are getting new kits. Some, eg stealers, could just be as much as "new base size".

We'll have to wait and see how things turn out.

 General Kroll wrote:
So after another more thorough look through the big Leviathan book there are some very noticeable absences from the Tyranid range that appear in none of the photos.

No Genestealers, not even in the GSC sections.
No Warriors (save the new winged prime)
No Trygon, or Mawloc.
No hormagaunts.
No gargoyles.
No bio/pyrovores.
No Carnifex.

I also spotted a couple of other unknown artwork monsters. A very large looking what could be described as a “fat heirophant” and another picture that matches the one posted yesterday of a much larger hive tyrant looking monster with bigger shoulder pads, this time with some kind of bio cannon. I’d post pics but have no idea how to do it.

The prize for the battle of Oghram is listed as having a cash value of £1000 as part of the T&Cs, so I think a lot of people are going to be surprised about how big a range refresh this.

Hormagants + Termagants + Neurogants + Barbgaunts (assuming the later get multi-part kits, potentially with weapon options) would be 4x£30 for £120

Lictors + Pyro + Biovores are probably going to sit at the £40 mark, so perhaps another £120

Warriors are likely a similar price point, with running assault legs or static ranged ones - lets say two kits - £80

Screamer Killers, Thornbacks and regular Carnifex probably sitting at the old dreadnought £40 for one model slot. Perhaps another £120 if Thornbacks are split out like the Screamer Killers are.

Deathleaper is £37.50

Norn Emmisarry sounds like it's a £100 Lord of War set.

Add a £35 codex and £95 start collecting and we're still looking for around £300 worth of kits...

With marines getting supposedly something similar I almost wonder if there's a Thunderhawk on the horizon.
(Codex, dice, combat patrol. Multipart Pyreblasters, Standard and Assault terminators, perhaps veteran/command squad terminators. Terminator chaplain. Updated scouts, updated scout character, scout bikes, scout transport to replace the Storm. Full option ranged dread. Multipart Sternguard, jump pack assault squad, vanguard vets, jump pack captain, Lt, chaplain. One or two more Devastator replacements? £850ish is 20ish £40 sets and that feels like a fairly complete list of marine updates and still feels a fair way off. But this is the nid thread!)

I will say that I just built my first Carnifexes ever. They are from an old collection so I can't speak to the current condition of the molds, but it's a fantastic kit that's still a lot of fun to build and tinker with.

 Stormonu wrote:
Love those old warriors, I have 12 of them.

While it's hard to see in the pics, one of the most fascinating things about the model is you can see the creature's internal organs through its ribs. At the time, that was a really mind-blowing feature, and quite interesting to paint.

I remember this feature, very much ahead of their time in being plastic, multi pose and having that layered structure the
At we are so used to now. Back then they were like nothing else. Especially when compared to the spacemarine scouts you got with them in advanced space crusade. Monopose chunky horrors in comparison. I loved them but could never go on with that game though.

You should see Insectum's legion of OG Tyranid Warriors. They're impressive.

 Sotahullu wrote:
New Gargoyles and Trygons I would see as weird as those are relatively new.

Gargoyles are plain ugly though. With those oversized heads and weapon arms it never was a good kit and should be updated ASAP, relatively new or not.

 Talking Banana wrote:

 Altruizine wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

As for the 'alien' - DMT machine elves or whatever are all fine and dandy, but let's not forget that this stuff here is intended to be a range of game-pieces first and foremost; 'these are the fast ones', 'these are tough' and 'this one has a huge killy gun' is something that should be legible even if you're not that familiar with the range, and the pieces need to be facile to assemble and paint for the average gamer. That severely limits how alien these aliens can be, and is a necessity for the wider health of the game and the range.

No, I'm fine with that. I don't *want* the models to look alien, I like the 4th through 10th aesthetic, dino-beetles with cleavers and machine pistols growing out of their hands, who throw down with the chainsaw space knights and bodyglove elves that populate the rest of the setting. I just want people to stop describing every detail they enjoy on a Tyranid model "alien" when it's not accurate from an informed POV.

OK, I'm intrigued. Altruizine, can you give some visual examples (from paintings, drawings, comics, movies, whatever source you like, as long as it's visual, not textual) of aliens that you think it's appropriate to describe as alien?

"Must be visual" kind of makes the exercise self-defeating. However, there are definitely examples of things that come far closer to the descriptor than anything in the Tyranid range (including widely-known artists and some of the direct inspirations for Tyranids). Giger, Esher, Beksinski, the Codex Seraphinius, all sorts of psychedelic art/art people made after an psilocybin/LSD/DMT experience.

Where did those pods come from?

They are carnifex heads

 Tyran wrote:
They are carnifex heads

One on the left is partially from OOE if I see it correctly?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You should see Insectum's legion of OG Tyranid Warriors. They're impressive.

I have been summoned. I LOVE those old Warriors! I have 70-80 painted, and more to go, still. The dream is to make a "Battle Company" of Tyranid Warriors to face off against my Company of Marines. . .

 Skywave wrote:


And for all of you guys talking about old models :

That's a gorgeous army! I'd still like to either find one of those old Exocrines, or sculpt something similar up to print.

That army is a testament to how ahead of their time those old nids were. They still look the part with a lovely paint job on them, even next to their modern cousins. Bravo.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You should see Insectum's legion of OG Tyranid Warriors. They're impressive.

I have been summoned. I LOVE those old Warriors! I have 70-80 painted, and more to go, still. The dream is to make a "Battle Company" of Tyranid Warriors to face off against my Company of Marines. . .

Spoiler:

 Skywave wrote:


And for all of you guys talking about old models :

That's a gorgeous army! I'd still like to either find one of those old Exocrines, or sculpt something similar up to print.

Good Lord! I feel for the IG army that is about to be consumed by this swarm.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You should see Insectum's legion of OG Tyranid Warriors. They're impressive.

I have been summoned. I LOVE those old Warriors! I have 70-80 painted, and more to go, still. The dream is to make a "Battle Company" of Tyranid Warriors to face off against my Company of Marines. . .

Spoiler:

 Skywave wrote:


And for all of you guys talking about old models :

That's a gorgeous army! I'd still like to either find one of those old Exocrines, or sculpt something similar up to print.

I love your army! I remember seeing some of the progress on the "all Warriors army you had going on Quite a feat to have that many, and well painted! My measly 15-or-so old Warriors look quite insufficient compared to the force you have

And thanks for the kind words! I waited for deals on eBay to grab those Armorcast, so it was just a matter of being patient!

I think I'm the only one who likes the metal warriors and 3e Grinfex.

Three Gaunts into the Leviathan box, these things go together like a DREAM. Also portioned up into nice 3/4 models to a sprue which gives me an excuse to stop for a cuppa ?

For anyone who's yet to build them: When doing the Reapers, put both legs on first, then the smaller claws, then the big ones.

It's much easier to fully push the legs into place without the smaller claws preventing you from gripping things properly.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
For anyone who's yet to build them: When doing the Reapers, put both legs on first, then the smaller claws, then the big ones.

It's much easier to fully push the legs into place without the smaller claws preventing you from gripping things properly.

And even simpler with those kits is to cut off the pegs and use glue thus limiting the gaps

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
For anyone who's yet to build them: When doing the Reapers, put both legs on first, then the smaller claws, then the big ones.

It's much easier to fully push the legs into place without the smaller claws preventing you from gripping things properly.

Good call, thanks.

 General Kroll wrote:
Three Gaunts into the Leviathan box, these things go together like a DREAM. Also portioned up into nice 3/4 models to a sprue which gives me an excuse to stop for a cuppa ?

I've enjoyed building all the little bugs a lot more than I expected. I started with the Neurogaunts (simply because the sprue fit my backpack and I squeezed some in between waiting for new patients) and I started to love the little runts. I have a mental image of a SM kicking one of them out of the way, not bothering with his weapons - I might actually do a little diorama like that.

Compared to the Indomitus Necrons who are mostly still on their sprues and didn't excite me at all the Nids are great. If I could decide which paint scheme I like best I'd be able to run a small army between the starter, some 3rd ed ones I butchered as a kid and 2nd ed plastics and metals I got cheap as chips from ebay years ago.

 Binabik15 wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
Three Gaunts into the Leviathan box, these things go together like a DREAM. Also portioned up into nice 3/4 models to a sprue which gives me an excuse to stop for a cuppa ?

I've enjoyed building all the little bugs a lot more than I expected. I started with the Neurogaunts (simply because the sprue fit my backpack and I squeezed some in between waiting for new patients) and I started to love the little runts. I have a mental image of a SM kicking one of them out of the way, not bothering with his weapons - I might actually do a little diorama like that.

Compared to the Indomitus Necrons who are mostly still on their sprues and didn't excite me at all the Nids are great. If I could decide which paint scheme I like best I'd be able to run a small army between the starter, some 3rd ed ones I butchered as a kid and 2nd ed plastics and metals I got cheap as chips from ebay years ago.

Put together two boxes worth of the new nids over the weekend. The only models I had trouble with were the two big boys and that was as simple as cutting off all the pegs.

Do we speculate if that artwork in the latest warcom thumbnail is based off a new model? I’d post it but I’m on my phone

It dont think it’s something from Leviathan, though it sort of looks like a neurotyrant. But it’s not an exact match. Maybe it’s an alternate build for a multipart neurotyrant?

 GaroRobe wrote:
Do we speculate if that artwork in the latest warcom thumbnail is based off a new model? I’d post it but I’m on my phone

It dont think it’s something from Leviathan, though it sort of looks like a neurotyrant. But it’s not an exact match. Maybe it’s an alternate build for a multipart neurotyrant?

It's a page background from the Leviathan book. Was also used on the 40k website.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Do we speculate if that artwork in the latest warcom thumbnail is based off a new model? I’d post it but I’m on my phone

It dont think it’s something from Leviathan, though it sort of looks like a neurotyrant. But it’s not an exact match. Maybe it’s an alternate build for a multipart neurotyrant?

It is from Crusade, and I posted it somewhere in the previous pages. I think it is simply artist's free imagination rather than new unit.

From Reddit - a little nice detail, a skull going through PP.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
From Reddit - a little nice detail, a skull going through PP.

Impressive, but of course there had to be some way to put skulls on Tyranids

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
From Reddit - a little nice detail, a skull going through PP.

Impressive, but of course there had to be some way to put skulls on Tyranids

Skulls are proof that model is authentic instead of recast

Apparently their campaign so far is 51% SM to 49% Tyranids - if you're of the persuasion that they actually let the send-ins decide it (which i am not) there's still hope for either side

It's likely just fabricated.

Then again its not like reward is huge change. Oee side gets see stuff day or two earlier. Whopedoo.

This one they might because result is pretty much irrelevant anyway.

 BertBert wrote:
It's likely just fabricated.

In my opinion yes, they learned their lesson from the campaigns back in the day that were actually live (and manipulated to hell as a result) and will just let the faction they want to preview first pull an 'incredibly tight victory' at the end No-one will ever know anyway, essentially with enough send-ins it's bound to be close to 50% anyway.

I fibbed on mine and submitted a nids win, first game of 10th is tonight but it'll be marines v orks but I'd much rather see some new gribblies.

They really think people are so stupid (they are probably right though) to believe that score?

 Shadow Walker wrote:
They really think people are so stupid (they are probably right though) to believe that score?

I don't believe the score but I think if they actually got 75% of people, to pluck a number, saying they want to see the nids, it might send a message back up the food chain.

I have yet to record my score...I played Nids while my buddy played Marines. I am a SoB and Necron player, he is a CSM player, and we both usually play 30K...

While the Tyranids did win our first game, I can claim no credit for playing well...and neither can John. We kept misreading rules and I flat out forgot to attack with the Screamer-Killer one round. And he forgot that the Biologis can do more than just sit in the deployment zone...

Round 2 is tomorrow evening...hopefully we both suck less this time around.

Dudeface wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
They really think people are so stupid (they are probably right though) to believe that score?

I don't believe the score but I think if they actually got 75% of people, to pluck a number, saying they want to see the nids, it might send a message back up the food chain.

Possible, unless they already had a defined schedule that (insert reasons) cannot be ever changed, and we will see faction X (read SM) no matter what people hopes (backed by what they sent) are.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
They really think people are so stupid (they are probably right though) to believe that score?

I don't believe the score but I think if they actually got 75% of people, to pluck a number, saying they want to see the nids, it might send a message back up the food chain.

Possible, unless they already had a defined schedule that (insert reasons) cannot be ever changed, and we will see faction X (read SM) no matter what people hopes (backed by what they sent) are.

That's exactly what I think is currently happening, but they might not be so quick to just marine spam if the data suggests otherwise for next time.

FWIW I think the marine reveals will be really dull. There's the Agustus units to come out standalone unless I slept through that, likely vanguard vets, jump pack primaris assault intercessors, apparently a primaris command squad, jump chaplain, terminator chaplain and logically something that build suppressors. Add on multi-part terminators and sternguard you're already at: 3+ characters (if they sneak in a jump captain), 8 units. I can't see there being much more than that.

 BertBert wrote:
It's likely just fabricated.

Corrected your post.

Dudeface wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
They really think people are so stupid (they are probably right though) to believe that score?

I don't believe the score but I think if they actually got 75% of people, to pluck a number, saying they want to see the nids, it might send a message back up the food chain.

Possible, unless they already had a defined schedule that (insert reasons) cannot be ever changed, and we will see faction X (read SM) no matter what people hopes (backed by what they sent) are.

That's exactly what I think is currently happening, but they might not be so quick to just marine spam if the data suggests otherwise for next time.

FWIW I think the marine reveals will be really dull. There's the Agustus units to come out standalone unless I slept through that, likely vanguard vets, jump pack primaris assault intercessors, apparently a primaris command squad, jump chaplain, terminator chaplain and logically something that build suppressors. Add on multi-part terminators and sternguard you're already at: 3+ characters (if they sneak in a jump captain), 8 units. I can't see there being much more than that.

Yeah, basically Primaris versions of what is left of Firstborn. I would add Primaris Scouts (unless they left them for KT) to that list. Probably that is why there was a Deathleaper shown, to sweet up our waiting a bit.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
They really think people are so stupid (they are probably right though) to believe that score?

I don't believe the score but I think if they actually got 75% of people, to pluck a number, saying they want to see the nids, it might send a message back up the food chain.

Possible, unless they already had a defined schedule that (insert reasons) cannot be ever changed, and we will see faction X (read SM) no matter what people hopes (backed by what they sent) are.

That's exactly what I think is currently happening, but they might not be so quick to just marine spam if the data suggests otherwise for next time.

FWIW I think the marine reveals will be really dull. There's the Agustus units to come out standalone unless I slept through that, likely vanguard vets, jump pack primaris assault intercessors, apparently a primaris command squad, jump chaplain, terminator chaplain and logically something that build suppressors. Add on multi-part terminators and sternguard you're already at: 3+ characters (if they sneak in a jump captain), 8 units. I can't see there being much more than that.

Yeah, basically Primaris versions of what is left of Firstborn. I would add Primaris Scouts (unless they left them for KT) to that list. Probably that is why there was a Deathleaper shown, to sweet up our waiting a bit.

Yeah, we have a pretty good idea what will be coming for Marines, there's probably also another centerpiece/large model in it somewhere, a Not-Landraider Cawlatus Ultra with too many guns and side-guns on them, but other than that we know of so many kits already that there can't be that much else, even with Marine bonus...

Tsagualsa wrote:
Yeah, we have a pretty good idea what will be coming for Marines, there's probably also another centerpiece/large model in it somewhere, a Not-Landraider Cawlatus Ultra with too many guns and side-guns on them, but other than that we know of so many kits already that there can't be that much else, even with Marine bonus...

Maybe a new flier? Something bulky that can fit Aggressors/Terminators?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Yeah, we have a pretty good idea what will be coming for Marines, there's probably also another centerpiece/large model in it somewhere, a Not-Landraider Cawlatus Ultra with too many guns and side-guns on them, but other than that we know of so many kits already that there can't be that much else, even with Marine bonus...

Maybe a new flier? Something bulky that can fit Aggressors/Terminators?

Primaris Big Drop pod... AKA Kinder eggs for Tyranids.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
They really think people are so stupid (they are probably right though) to believe that score?

I don't believe the score but I think if they actually got 75% of people, to pluck a number, saying they want to see the nids, it might send a message back up the food chain.

Possible, unless they already had a defined schedule that (insert reasons) cannot be ever changed, and we will see faction X (read SM) no matter what people hopes (backed by what they sent) are.

So seeing one side day or two earlier big deal?

Note both will be shown anyway...neither side misses anything.

Say nids shown monday and marines tuesday or otherway around. What is big deal? It's not like either gets more stuff or even sees more stuff before release...

It's a campaign on a previously non-existent planet that isn't even attributed any particular value unlike Not!Cadia Vigilus. No stakes. No impact. No nothing. World falls, who cares? World is saved, who cares? You can write any possible result of the campaign any way you like, give people their win and not feel like you have unwanted alterations to the setting. It's the perfect setup to actually let submissions decide how it goes.

The only reason to fake the result is a burning desire for GW to be at its GWiest. I guess that's possible, but you know. If they want to preview Marines first, they'll just do that openly. Nobody's going to be surprised.

tneva82 wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
They really think people are so stupid (they are probably right though) to believe that score?

I don't believe the score but I think if they actually got 75% of people, to pluck a number, saying they want to see the nids, it might send a message back up the food chain.

Possible, unless they already had a defined schedule that (insert reasons) cannot be ever changed, and we will see faction X (read SM) no matter what people hopes (backed by what they sent) are.

So seeing one side day or two earlier big deal?

Note both will be shown anyway...neither side misses anything.

Say nids shown monday and marines tuesday or otherway around. What is big deal? It's not like either gets more stuff or even sees more stuff before release...

No big deal unless it will not be a day of difference but a month or more, until a codex hits?

 Geifer wrote:
It's a campaign on a previously non-existent planet that isn't even attributed any particular value unlike Not!Cadia Vigilus. No stakes. No impact. No nothing. World falls, who cares? World is saved, who cares? You can write any possible result of the campaign any way you like, give people their win and not feel like you have unwanted alterations to the setting. It's the perfect setup to actually let submissions decide how it goes.

The only reason to fake the result is a burning desire for GW to be at its GWiest. I guess that's possible, but you know. If they want to preview Marines first, they'll just do that openly. Nobody's going to be surprised.

I actually think they'll let the Tyranids win for storyline purposes and to play up the 'Things have never been so grim for the Imperium' angle, and also because they want to give them their spotlight early, and of course because they damn well know that Space Marines will get their hype just by being Space Marines anyway. Either way it does not matter too much for me

Chances are they will keep the pols fairly evenly matched so that everyone submits and doesn't feel like they have to "vote for the winner" which people often do to be on the winning side; nor discourage others from taking part if they felt their side had already lost.

But since their is a prize attached to it GW can't fake the end results least they risk the wrath of prize government officials.


As noted above, this is an unknown world in an unknown area of space. The win results are winning some models off production and previewing models earlier than the other faction - it doesn't matter which wins it won't "change" anything meaningful that requires a huge investment.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
They really think people are so stupid (they are probably right though) to believe that score?

I don't believe the score but I think if they actually got 75% of people, to pluck a number, saying they want to see the nids, it might send a message back up the food chain.

Possible, unless they already had a defined schedule that (insert reasons) cannot be ever changed, and we will see faction X (read SM) no matter what people hopes (backed by what they sent) are.

So seeing one side day or two earlier big deal?

Note both will be shown anyway...neither side misses anything.

Say nids shown monday and marines tuesday or otherway around. What is big deal? It's not like either gets more stuff or even sees more stuff before release...

No big deal unless it will not be a day of difference but a month or more, until a codex hits?

They won't wait until codex hits to hype new releases...

You might think gw loves burning money but money is all they care. They won't weaken sales of either army.

tneva82 wrote:

They won't wait until codex hits to hype new releases...

I hope you are right because I do not want to wait over a month longer than SM to see our new bugs.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

They won't wait until codex hits to hype new releases...

I hope you are right because I do not want to wait over a month longer than SM to see our new bugs.

The books are in Autumn, so anywhere between September and November. If Marines get shown in July; which they may not as the event ends 10th July and they'll be shown earlier, not specifically on the end date afaik. There's little reason for them to reveal the nid wave for November in August for example.

Yeah GW doesn't want the two feature armies to wait too long for their codex. Heck I'm honestly surprised they aren't already coming out mid July, but it might be GW needs that lag-time to clear the warehouses of Leviathan and then build up stock of Marines and Tyranids for the launch of both books.


Otherwise yeah all the "win" from this is, is previewing models earlier than the other force in one lump sum whilst the other army might come out in bits here and there. Either way there's no exclusivity or anything - both forces will get their full update roster and such when their codex land.

 Overread wrote:
Heck I'm honestly surprised they aren't already coming out mid July, but it might be GW needs that lag-time to clear the warehouses of Leviathan and then build up stock of Marines and Tyranids for the launch of both books.

They also have to release the new Starters and probably a terrain set that goes with them.

 Overread wrote:
Yeah GW doesn't want the two feature armies to wait too long for their codex. Heck I'm honestly surprised they aren't already coming out mid July, but it might be GW needs that lag-time to clear the warehouses of Leviathan and then build up stock of Marines and Tyranids for the launch of both books.

Don't forget there's still the permanent 40k starter set to announce, as well as individual releases for not just Leviathan models but also things like The Lion and Farsight. Plenty to fill the July gap.

GW will also want to give customers a bit of time to build and paint at least some of the Leviathan models. Release the next wave of models too quickly and many buyers will look at their hopeless backlog & decide that they don't need to spend immediately. That's why you often see a ~6 week delay between launch boxes and full codex releases, although in this case Leviathan is more like two launch boxes together so will get at least two months to 'breath'.

I'd bet on seeing the first 10E codex previews start in August, with release for the start of September.

September feels way too long, esp if they are doing a bit model preview mid-July. I think a Mid July Preview means that we will see them in August, likely early or scatter shot all through August, maybe one pre-ordering end of July.

I think a July preview and then nothing till September is too long a gap. That means going June, July, August without a single 10th edition codex.

 Overread wrote:
September feels way too long, esp if they are doing a bit model preview mid-July. I think a Mid July Preview means that we will see them in August, likely early or scatter shot all through August, maybe one pre-ordering end of July.

I think a July preview and then nothing till September is too long a gap. That means going June, July, August without a single 10th edition codex.

They could literally just show the models in mid-July, wait two weeks/have two weeks of something else. then do a couple of weeks of rules snippets, detachment and story previews to release late-August to early September. GW is quite adept at padding some weeks out if they need to, and there's also the starter boxes and related stuff to squeeze in. They can take some time to go over their errata and balance update, lots of Imperial Armour stuff is missing, and of course they can do endless filler content of people fawning over the greatest greatness that ever greated in form of the newest product Not everybody lives 8 weeks in the future like the online rumour people, the normal crowd will hear about much of this first thing from White Dwarf and Warhammer Community.

I finally got my Leviathan Nids built. Surprisingly pleasant experience although there were definitely few pegs I should have trimmed more and few that I should left intact. I used to cut away all the pegs completely but nowadays I just shorten them and make the hole wider with mold line remover.

I ended up repositioning Winged Prime, one Leaper and one Barbgaunt because they weren't centered on the base enough to my likening. Next up is 2-3 days of basing but then I'm away for couple of days so it will take at least a week until I can start painting :(

 Overread wrote:
September feels way too long, esp if they are doing a bit model preview mid-July. I think a Mid July Preview means that we will see them in August, likely early or scatter shot all through August, maybe one pre-ordering end of July.

I think a July preview and then nothing till September is too long a gap. That means going June, July, August without a single 10th edition codex.

It has happened before, multiple times (necrons and marines were october, last time, iirc, and several AoS editions had long gaps between box and army books). And the roadmap was clearly 'Fall' for Nids and Marines.
It seems pretty certain that September-at-the-earliest is exactly what's happening, as advertised.

September isn't really that far away from the end of June, anyway.

To be fair Necrons and Marines was messed up due to Lockdowns and such. That entire release was abnormal

 Overread wrote:
September feels way too long, esp if they are doing a bit model preview mid-July. I think a Mid July Preview means that we will see them in August, likely early or scatter shot all through August, maybe one pre-ordering end of July.

I think a July preview and then nothing till September is too long a gap. That means going June, July, August without a single 10th edition codex.

Hopefully you aren't one to complain about book churn then

tneva82 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
September feels way too long, esp if they are doing a bit model preview mid-July. I think a Mid July Preview means that we will see them in August, likely early or scatter shot all through August, maybe one pre-ordering end of July.

I think a July preview and then nothing till September is too long a gap. That means going June, July, August without a single 10th edition codex.

Hopefully you aren't one to complain about book churn then

Hey I can complain about both at once ;P

 Overread wrote:
To be fair Necrons and Marines was messed up due to Lockdowns and such. That entire release was abnormal

GW can't produce stuff fast enough at the moment. It's not necessarily easier for them right now. Consider that nobody forced them to set the schedule the way they did. If we get the first two codices in fall as announced, it's because GW seems to think that's the best time to release them, no matter how much closer they were to the release of the new edition prior to the pandemic.

GW has also vastly increased their output for other games. You'd expect a sizeable Specialist Games release in August these days. Then Cities of Sigmar is getting a large release between the start of 10th ed 40k and the first codices. GW can only release so much stuff at a time. It's quite possible that what was abnormal three years ago is now the norm.

One thing to consider is that doing things this way has brought along unprecedented profits. That's a really strong argument for keeping things the same, even if pandemic conditions no longer apply.

Another thing is that due to the indices, all armies are at least nominally on the same level. There is something to be said for letting that novelty sell new stuff to all 40k players and keep the 10th ed releases to starter products for a while, and give it some time before dipping into the pool of people who want to expand their starter set armies. It might just be considered beneficial by GW.

GW isn't really a static company. They're a cynic's dream come true and have some habits that are as easy to predict as the next sunrise, but they do switch some of their approaches occasionally because they believe that they'll end up making more money that way. Doesn't mean the past is useless for predicting the future, just that there's no sense in getting too attached to it. Eventually policies will get revised.

The production thing sounds like a nice problem for any business to have. But it absolutely is a problem.

For instance, the Heresy Jetbikes still haven’t come back in stock after their initial sell through. And that sucks, because I want a squadron of nine. As I’m otherwise Heresy’d out owning everything else I currently want, that’s £120.00 GW isn’t getting for now.

Now let’s use an almost certainly low number out my arse of 1,999 similar gamers all wanting the same. That’s £240,000.00 GW aren’t earning for the sake of a casting run.

Rinse and repeat over many other hard to come by kits, and GW are missing out on sales.

Yes some folk will inevitably take the money for GW Project A and spend it on GW Project B, so the exact “loss” is bloody difficult to estimate.

But GW are still missing out on income because they’re struggling to meet demand.

Now we can point to Leviathan as a possible bottleneck in production, and hopefully now that’s out the gate we’ll see a rebalancing of production capability. And that does need to come. Especially for a relatively new launch like Horus Heresy.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The production thing sounds like a nice problem for any business to have. But it absolutely is a problem.

For instance, the Heresy Jetbikes still haven’t come back in stock after their initial sell through. And that sucks, because I want a squadron of nine. As I’m otherwise Heresy’d out owning everything else I currently want, that’s £120.00 GW isn’t getting for now.

Now let’s use an almost certainly low number out my arse of 1,999 similar gamers all wanting the same. That’s £240,000.00 GW aren’t earning for the sake of a casting run.

Rinse and repeat over many other hard to come by kits, and GW are missing out on sales.

Yes some folk will inevitably take the money for GW Project A and spend it on GW Project B, so the exact “loss” is bloody difficult to estimate.

But GW are still missing out on income because they’re struggling to meet demand.

Now we can point to Leviathan as a possible bottleneck in production, and hopefully now that’s out the gate we’ll see a rebalancing of production capability. And that does need to come. Especially for a relatively new launch like Horus Heresy.

It's a problem to consumers that want that instant gratification, and a problem if a company requires making money on a day by day basis in order to thrive.

When it comes to GW, however, a lot of people are content to wait for the product to come back in stock, and then they'll buy it to finish the army/project. How long a customer is willing to wait is different per customer. Some will go to other storefronts or 3rd party stuff, but as long as it's still a legit GW kit they're getting, then GW already got the money for that.

GW slowly restocking things and people being patient means that GW is continuously selling through their inventory. To them, that's a great thing. It means less stale inventory. It also means a steady flow of income. I'm sure there's someone with a big excel spreadsheet on what to produce when, and various kits are on different schedules to be restocked based on perceived demand, forecasts, and other things. The balance is not simply getting everything restocked immediately, it's restocking strategic things in order to maintain a very steady and even income for the company that's both predictable and growing on a quarter by quarter basis.

The main thing we don't know is how much goodwill GW are burning by not having certain kits back in stock. The BEST thing you can do is hit that 'e-mail me' button, because that shows legitimate interest in a product that can tip the scale on what they put at the front of the print queue.

They've been clear that not-epic comes out in August, so I doubt they'll share the spotlight with marines/nids, so I'd suggest genuinely considering either end of August or September for either book then October for the other.

Just received my Haruspex and Tyrannofex. Over a week after ordering them *shakes fists at delays, despite accepting GW have been hellla busy but even so the first is shaken*

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Just received my Haruspex and Tyrannofex. Over a week after ordering them *shakes fists at delays, despite accepting GW have been hellla busy but even so the first is shaken*

Most of the range is"temporarily out of stock" so you did well! The Index cards are out of stock in shop and online, not a big deal as the App works ok but a little annoying - I was able to get my buddies Marine and Necron sets but not the Nid ones I'd gone in for. Did they say they were limited or ami misremembering ?
Currently enjoying digging through my stockpile of models and building/repainting for the new edition..

Cards can get in the bin, as we’ll get replacements when the Codex hatches.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Cards can get in the bin, as we’ll get replacements when the Codex hatches.

So I ordered, received and built my second Haruspex before you order even arrived?

Amazing...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Cards can get in the bin, as we’ll get replacements when the Codex hatches.

So I ordered, received and built my second Haruspex before you order even arrived?

Amazing...

Must be the one perk of being down under, they sell so little directly you don't run out.

Starter sets https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/03/warhammer-40000-starter-sets-get-cracking-with-the-new-edition/

Prices will be interesting for those sets if we look at the 9th ones.

Not sure what to expect here as the Introductory one comes with paint, the Starter Set have a lot more minis than the 9th equivalent (including a large-ish one in the Psychophage), and the Ultimate one have a lot of terrain.

The Recruit and Elite edition from 9th were pretty good deal, as it was less than what one side had included in there, so were great to bulk up (maybe a bit more for the Necron side).

Those new one could be great addition for the Nids too if the price is right.

I definitely want the "Starter" starter set.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Cards can get in the bin, as we’ll get replacements when the Codex hatches.

So I ordered, received and built my second Haruspex before you order even arrived?

Amazing...

Quite possibly! I ordered on the 23rd.

Dudeface wrote:

Must be the one perk of being down under, they sell so little directly you don't run out.

Depends just how down under. In NZ, items ship from the Australian warehouse so 10 day waits are the norm.

I didn't order it from GW. No one in their right mind would do that if they live in Oz.

As for the starterboxes, I'm not sure what I was thinking. Part of me hoped that the largest one would have the Screamer Killer, but that would also mean including the Neurotyrant, so I guess that was unlikely. Shame, as it would've flooded the market with cheap SKs.

I bought the nid half of Dominion from someone who just wanted the Marines, and I’m really impressed with the level of detail on the models. I’m waiting to see what else Nids get before I build them and (knowing me, never) paint them, especially now. I was previously of the mind that a lot of the ‘newer’ nid models are fine, and they probably still are, but I’m hoping there are enough new models and redos that I could make an army I’m happy with out of entirely new sculpts.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I bought the nid half of Dominion from someone who just wanted the Marines, and I’m really impressed with the level of detail on the models. I’m waiting to see what else Nids get before I build them and (knowing me, never) paint them, especially now. I was previously of the mind that a lot of the ‘newer’ nid models are fine, and they probably still are, but I’m hoping there are enough new models and redos that I could make an army I’m happy with out of entirely new sculpts.

I am waiting for the Starters to release, and plan to get the middle one as it has all new Nids I want 100%, and next I will do as you, waiting for new releases to see what I want from them, and what of the rest of Leviathan will get separate/multipart release (I hope for new Carnie kit that will have alternate head for the SC).

I'm less hopeful for sc kit. It's the expensive solo sprue. Gwwantsto sell that. And reanimator, stormcast winged lady etc that been on those sprues haven't got separate release.

Expecting screamer killer be just on sprue it's on now.

tneva82 wrote:
I'm less hopeful for sc kit. It's the expensive solo sprue. Gwwantsto sell that. And reanimator, stormcast winged lady etc that been on those sprues haven't got separate release.

Expecting screamer killer be just on sprue it's on now.

But isn't new SC sharing its sprue with a Neurotyrant? It would mean they need to share a box then.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
I'm less hopeful for sc kit. It's the expensive solo sprue. Gwwantsto sell that. And reanimator, stormcast winged lady etc that been on those sprues haven't got separate release.

Expecting screamer killer be just on sprue it's on now.

But isn't new SC sharing its sprue with a Neurotyrant? It would mean they need to share a box then.

If the rumours are true that we are going to see huge numbers of new kits I can see a kit just dedicated to the vanilla carnifexes and other multipart to SC with OOE.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
I'm less hopeful for sc kit. It's the expensive solo sprue. Gwwantsto sell that. And reanimator, stormcast winged lady etc that been on those sprues haven't got separate release.

Expecting screamer killer be just on sprue it's on now.

But isn't new SC sharing its sprue with a Neurotyrant? It would mean they need to share a box then.

Yes.

Not saying that is for sure but the shared sprue has been on sale alone before and separate kits haven't been quaranteed. So possibility that only way to get those is together is there.

You still need buy combo sprue separateiy for reanimator, skorpek lord & plasmancer for example.

Hoping for better but preparing for worst.

These combo sprues were main reason for me to get leviathan over starter sets.

tneva82 wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
I'm less hopeful for sc kit. It's the expensive solo sprue. Gwwantsto sell that. And reanimator, stormcast winged lady etc that been on those sprues haven't got separate release.

Expecting screamer killer be just on sprue it's on now.

But isn't new SC sharing its sprue with a Neurotyrant? It would mean they need to share a box then.

Yes.

Not saying that is for sure but the shared sprue has been on sale alone before and separate kits haven't been quaranteed. So possibility that only way to get those is together is there.

You still need buy combo sprue separateiy for reanimator, skorpek lord & plasmancer for example.

Hoping for better but preparing for worst.

These combo sprues were main reason for me to get leviathan over starter sets.

These are probably some of the best push fit sprues GW has done, lots of variety and detail I dont think multipart will be that much different. Although I cannot imagine these 2 big critters not being sold separately as multipart. If it was like just the Carnifex and some lesser critter maybe but its rather 2 important biguns.

You still can't buy a Venom Crawler without getting two Oblits. Yet another set of models caught in single-sprue limto.

Suppressors have it even worse.

What’s worse is the master of possession is on a single sprue and you can’t even buy him anymore

Changes to our points:
Biovores
1 model ..............................................................65 pts
2 models ..........................................................130 pts
3 models ..........................................................195 pts
Harpy
1 model ............................................................230 pts
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/agEmmZiw4tq7IOYE.pdf

They need to give us new Biovores models first... dont want 3 of those ugly monkeys.

 NAVARRO wrote:
They need to give us new Biovores models first... dont want 3 of those ugly monkeys.

They look better than their predecessors... . But well, I have three 2nd edition ones, I'm fine.

Why did the Harpy, of all things, go up?

Because it is a flyer, by definition it has to go up there in the sky

Haruspex hasn’t.

And I think we all know how I feel about the Haruspex ??

 Tyran wrote:
Because it is a flyer, by definition it has to go up there in the sky

Thanks, I just snorted my drink.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why did the Harpy, of all things, go up?

Because of how powerful an ability dropping free spore mines is. It's seriously the main thing that made Nids broken last edition, and it's still a powerful mechanic for board control.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Haruspex hasn’t.

And I think we all know how I feel about the Haruspex ??

Don't worry, it probably will have by the time you play your first game.

Hive guard escaped the points increase, even though Impaler Cannons are indirect...

It feels so strange having a points update before the codex!

 Overread wrote:
It feels so strange having a points update before the codex!

The indexes are basically the codex, so this is the ~2 week error catch.

Nice of them not to let things linger for months.

 Overread wrote:
It feels so strange having a points update before the codex!

It's because the Vitally Important battle of Oghram hangs in the balance!!! Every battle matters!!!!!

 Altruizine wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Haruspex hasn’t.

And I think we all know how I feel about the Haruspex ??

Don't worry, it probably will have by the time you play your first game.

Honestly? Whilst I fully accept my lack of in-game experience means I am missing something, but it does seem very undercosted. Yes its damage is done in HTH, which means running the gauntlet to get its nom-noms, but it’s not exactly a terribly soft target. And at a piffling 125 points, it doesn’t need to do massive damage to punch it’s weight.

It doesn't punch as hard as the Fire Prism though, and that was also 125 points (somehow...). It only got a +25 point increase as well.

Meanwhile, the Toxicrene stays at 200...

Using eldar as baseline isn't healthy for game though. Eldar shou'd be toned down. Not bring rest same level

 Nevelon wrote:

 Overread wrote:
It feels so strange having a points update before the codex!

The indexes are basically the codex, so this is the ~2 week error catch.

Nice of them not to let things linger for months.

No sense in putting fixes off if as suggested the datasheets won't see any notable updates anyway between the index and the codex, right?

Also, where are we at with regard to fixes and points updates at the moment? I kind of tuned out. Is it six months? Three months? A mix? There's a decent chance that the codex is three months away, so skipping any work now might just skip an entire update interval. That doesn't sound like a good look for GW.

If Warhammer gets ~250 more followers on twitter and we may get another 'milestone' preview.

Estimating by the gains they had in the last weeks, that's in about 4-5 days.

tneva82 wrote:
Using eldar as baseline isn't healthy for game though. Eldar shou'd be toned down. Not bring rest same level

The Toxicrene at 200 was gak before anyone even looked at the Eldar points. The fact that the Fire Prism has been "balanced" and is still 50 points cheaper than the Toxicrene is just pouring salt into the wound.

Tsagualsa wrote:
If Warhammer gets ~250 more followers on twitter and we may get another 'milestone' preview.

Estimating by the gains they had in the last weeks, that's in about 4-5 days.

The trouble is that is on Twitter. Maybe GW should look into Threads?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
If Warhammer gets ~250 more followers on twitter and we may get another 'milestone' preview.

Estimating by the gains they had in the last weeks, that's in about 4-5 days.

The trouble is that is on Twitter. Maybe GW should look into Threads?

I imagine corpo GW and Musk would get along tbh.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
If Warhammer gets ~250 more followers on twitter and we may get another 'milestone' preview.

Estimating by the gains they had in the last weeks, that's in about 4-5 days.

The trouble is that is on Twitter. Maybe GW should look into Threads?

The app that came out literally yesterday and is currently not available in Europe, where much of their business is based? Yes, they probably should, but not immediately - their twitter presence so far is the best-kept of their social media presences and has enjoyed steady growth in recent times, for now they should keep it while being aware of the alternatives.

Also, they do have an Instagram with 500k followers, as far as i am aware Threads is somewhat integrated with that, so it will probably happen either automatically or very soon if i understood this right.

Yeah and they can start using Truth Social at the same time.

Tsagualsa wrote:
The app that came out literally yesterday and is currently not available in Europe, where much of their business is based? Yes, they probably should, but not immediately - their twitter presence so far is the best-kept of their social media presences and has enjoyed steady growth in recent times, for now they should keep it while being aware of the alternatives.

Also, they do have an Instagram with 500k followers, as far as i am aware Threads is somewhat integrated with that, so it will probably happen either automatically or very soon if i understood this right.

It's available in the UK TBF.

But if GW are interested in expanding their social footprint Bluesky would be preferred...

 The Phazer wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
The app that came out literally yesterday and is currently not available in Europe, where much of their business is based? Yes, they probably should, but not immediately - their twitter presence so far is the best-kept of their social media presences and has enjoyed steady growth in recent times, for now they should keep it while being aware of the alternatives.

Also, they do have an Instagram with 500k followers, as far as i am aware Threads is somewhat integrated with that, so it will probably happen either automatically or very soon if i understood this right.

It's available in the UK TBF.

But if GW are interested in expanding their social footprint Bluesky would be preferred...

Yes, but Continental Europe is GW's second-highest revenue market after the US, and before the UK, at roughly 1/4 of their total revenue (US is about half, and the UK makes up 85% of the remaining quarter) and so far does not allow Threads due to some concerns about privacy etc. so i don't see them abandoning twitter anytime soon. If they leave eventually it will be because Musk asks for too much money for access.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah and they can start using Truth Social at the same time.

Eldar aren't broken, that's fake news!

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah and they can start using Truth Social at the same time.

Eldar aren't broken, that's fake news!

10th edition is a great edition, a great edition... people say that 10th edition isn't balanced, well, i say it's the most balanced edition of all time, of all time...

Going out like Stu Chera.

Well this is interesting (Via Alchemists Workshops):

Charax wrote:
Well this is interesting (Via Alchemists Workshops):

This is because of the mission cards with the wrong back, right?

As seen in this thread: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/810628.page#11560092

That doesn't apply to the decks provided in Leviathan tho, right? I haven't checked all mine yet.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
That doesn't apply to the decks provided in Leviathan tho, right? I haven't checked all mine yet.

Nope, those ones are all correct AFAIK.

Gonna be annoying having to wait for them to print new ones.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/07/global-battle-situation-report-the-end-draws-near/

Nids in the lead. Hopefully we can keep the momentum and get the early preview.

 Nevelon wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/07/global-battle-situation-report-the-end-draws-near/

Nids in the lead. Hopefully we can keep the momentum and get the early preview.

Hopefully. Of course if the tinfoil hat crowd is right this is the second act where it looks grim for the Imperium only for them to miraculously emerge victorious in the third act. Am I forging that narrative correctly, GW? I think I do.

I’ll be ever so disappointed if we eat the planet, get out preview, and the wussy Maureen’s get their preview immediately after ??

I laugh, because I’d be not at all done a disappoint if it happened in reverse.

The other angle is GW goes "since results were so neck and neck close between the two forces we've decided to treat both to a full preview BOOM everyone sees everything".


Thankfully as all this affects is a preview of models you can't really lose. GW won't release models sooner for the winner. Heck we don't even fully know how long the wait will be from preview to release of the models and codex and all.

 Geifer wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/07/global-battle-situation-report-the-end-draws-near/

Nids in the lead. Hopefully we can keep the momentum and get the early preview.

Hopefully. Of course if the tinfoil hat crowd is right this is the second act where it looks grim for the Imperium only for them to miraculously emerge victorious in the third act. Am I forging that narrative correctly, GW? I think I do.

Realistically, a 6% lead three and a half days before the closing call should not be able to be turned around (one assumes that most people used their code pretty soon or immediately) but then again who knows if they're even tracking anything at all (other than the info required for the prize draw, that is)

It might trigger marine players who weren’t going to bother logging to sign in and vote. So there might be a surge.

I assumed that the plan was to announce things back to back anyway, so this whole even is just a fluff bit. Both announcements are probably in the can anyway, so it’s just a mater of if they go nid/marine or marine/nid. If there is more then a week between them I’ll be shocked. Both codexes are going to drop early anyway.

 Nevelon wrote:
It might trigger marine players who weren’t going to bother logging to sign in and vote. So there might be a surge.

I assumed that the plan was to announce things back to back anyway, so this whole even is just a fluff bit. Both announcements are probably in the can anyway, so it’s just a mater of if they go nid/marine or marine/nid. If there is more then a week between them I’ll be shocked. Both codexes are going to drop early anyway.

I have somewhat of a gut feeling that the nids will release earlier because they need the hype more than marines, but i'm pretty sure that you're right about the releases and reveals being back-to-back. Wiht Legion Imperialis releasing some time in August there's not too many slots for 'Autumn' that they can use and still have the spotlight. Anyway we'll see in a week, the big reveal is on the 15th iirc, which is just around the corner really.

With dark angels coming up in spring, its actually better if marines win this 'vote':

more time between marine previews.

While the reveal is nice, I want to see Nids win mainly because it would mean Marines actually lose one of these things. Their popularity often sees them steamroller opposition in world campaigns like this.

Marines/Nids were going to get previewed at GenCon anyways. All this is doing is moving one of the two to the 15th.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
It might trigger marine players who weren’t going to bother logging to sign in and vote. So there might be a surge.

I assumed that the plan was to announce things back to back anyway, so this whole even is just a fluff bit. Both announcements are probably in the can anyway, so it’s just a mater of if they go nid/marine or marine/nid. If there is more then a week between them I’ll be shocked. Both codexes are going to drop early anyway.

I have somewhat of a gut feeling that the nids will release earlier because they need the hype more than marines, but i'm pretty sure that you're right about the releases and reveals being back-to-back. Wiht Legion Imperialis releasing some time in August there's not too many slots for 'Autumn' that they can use and still have the spotlight. Anyway we'll see in a week, the big reveal is on the 15th iirc, which is just around the corner really.

The earliest one should be up for preorder is 26th August.

It's a way to get people hyped and get them buying Leviathan. I was yesterday at a GW store and still a few there... also Online stores still have them.

 NAVARRO wrote:
It's a way to get people hyped and get them buying Leviathan. I was yesterday at a GW store and still a few there... also Online stores still have them.

But that's not what people on the internet said! They said that stores were undercut by GW!

My FLGS still is sitting on 15 or so. The local GW on another 20. It's weird how the scarcity/FOMO only seemed to affect discount e-tailers.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/07/global-battle-situation-report-the-end-draws-near/

Nids in the lead. Hopefully we can keep the momentum and get the early preview.

Hopefully. Of course if the tinfoil hat crowd is right this is the second act where it looks grim for the Imperium only for them to miraculously emerge victorious in the third act. Am I forging that narrative correctly, GW? I think I do.

Realistically, a 6% lead three and a half days before the closing call should not be able to be turned around (one assumes that most people used their code pretty soon or immediately) but then again who knows if they're even tracking anything at all (other than the info required for the prize draw, that is)

I wouldn't discount a weekend surge. If the whole things plays out straight, I'd assume most games would be played on the three weekends the campaign runs and there could be Marine victories in large enough numbers to have an effect.

 Nevelon wrote:
It might trigger marine players who weren’t going to bother logging to sign in and vote. So there might be a surge.

I assumed that the plan was to announce things back to back anyway, so this whole even is just a fluff bit. Both announcements are probably in the can anyway, so it’s just a mater of if they go nid/marine or marine/nid. If there is more then a week between them I’ll be shocked. Both codexes are going to drop early anyway.

We'll get the winning side's preview in a week, two weeks after the not-40k preview. Considering the timing and Gencon only three weeks later, I could see the other side making their debut there. Otherwise GW would end up with four previews in the span of five or so weeks. That seems a bit crowded for them.

As someone with fairly young armies for both (I stepped away from 5th - 9th) I'm interested in both previews. That said the Tyranid one is probably more interesting for me, as I think the base range is pretty well sorted, so until either the Angels of Death updates come out I'm not that bothered.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’ll be ever so disappointed if we eat the planet, get out preview, and the wussy Maureen’s get their preview immediately after ??

I laugh, because I’d be not at all done a disappoint if it happened in reverse.

I have never expected large gap either way.

Gw wants hype them both. This is just easy way to get people active and couple net articles.

Seeing how easy these are to fake by players no point putting meaningful result from it.

Well I just registered my win for the Nids.

 General Kroll wrote:
Well I just registered my win for the Nids.

I really hope Tyranids win. I really want to see what they have coming out. The only thing I'm slightly curious to see would be the SM's rumored terminator chaplain. And maybe the scouts. Assuming those even get shown off, since they're supposed to be part of kill team, not the main 40k release

 GaroRobe wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
Well I just registered my win for the Nids.

I really hope Tyranids win. I really want to see what they have coming out. The only thing I'm slightly curious to see would be the SM's rumored terminator chaplain. And maybe the scouts. Assuming those even get shown off, since they're supposed to be part of kill team, not the main 40k release

I logged my win for the nids, but would like to know the SM side more. As I already have plenty of TDA captains I was thinking of converting the one from the box into a chaplain. But if they are releasing a new one, I might just build him as-is, just so I have a WYSWYG one for the combat patrol.

Of course, if they drop new nid kits with more options then the mono-pose in the box, I might just kitbash those as well.

I guess we’ll just see what happens and roll with it.

Either way you won't have long to see both

tneva82 wrote:
Either way you won't have long to see both

And the nice thing about push-fits; easy to go back and swap arms and such. So for minor things, I can revisit and modify.

I was looking at the winged warrior and wondering if they were going to make a shooty version. Probably not hard to swap stabby bits for some guns. Was also thinking about how he’d look with boneswords…

Ops wrong thread.

But yes VOTE for nids!

I haven't built my second Winged Prime specifically because I'm waiting to see if we're getting a real kit and what options it might have (not that 10th is big on options...).

Got plenty of Warrior bits to use with him.

They won't put out pushfits with options.

It's either same sprues as leviathan on own or new reqular kit.

tneva82 wrote:
They won't put out pushfits with options.

It's either same sprues as leviathan on own or new reqular kit.

Correct, but those of us with a hobby knife and a bits box might want to mod the pushfits we have to field options in the full kits.

The budget is not infinite, so will be nice to see what options we have before finishing our builds. I’d rather not have to buy every new kit…

tneva82 wrote:
They won't put out pushfits with options.

It's either same sprues as leviathan on own or new reqular kit.

I’d have thought the termagants would be very easy to just add a weapon option sprue to. So I really wouldn’t be surprised to see them just release the push fit with added sprues.

 General Kroll wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
They won't put out pushfits with options.

It's either same sprues as leviathan on own or new reqular kit.

I’d have thought the termagants would be very easy to just add a weapon option sprue to. So I really wouldn’t be surprised to see them just release the push fit with added sprues.

I would. It would be 1st for gw.

Gw isn't exactly hardest to figure out and since 8th been even more set to follow pattern.

tneva82 wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
They won't put out pushfits with options.

It's either same sprues as leviathan on own or new reqular kit.

I’d have thought the termagants would be very easy to just add a weapon option sprue to. So I really wouldn’t be surprised to see them just release the push fit with added sprues.

I would. It would be 1st for gw.

Gw isn't exactly hardest to figure out and since 8th been even more set to follow pattern.

They’ve sort of done that recently with the Chaos Knights - push fit sprue from the slaves to darkness start collecting with an extra sprue for command pieces in the ‘full kit’. It’s not exactly models from a new edition launch box with extra sprue, but it’s probably close enough to be precedent.

Heavy Destroyer is a pushfit model with options.

The Servo-Turret and ATV also came out in that first wave, although I can't recall if they were pushfit as well (and I can't check, as the GW website now has a damned queue for the Lion).

tneva82 wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
They won't put out pushfits with options.

It's either same sprues as leviathan on own or new reqular kit.

I’d have thought the termagants would be very easy to just add a weapon option sprue to. So I really wouldn’t be surprised to see them just release the push fit with added sprues.

I would. It would be 1st for gw.

Gw isn't exactly hardest to figure out and since 8th been even more set to follow pattern.

I don't find the argument "they have been consistent since the last time they weren't" to be very convincing, myself...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Heavy Destroyer is a pushfit model with options.

The Servo-Turret and ATV also came out in that first wave, although I can't recall if they were pushfit as well (and I can't check, as the GW website now has a damned queue for the Lion).

Just had a quick look at the sprues on the website and the ATV is push fit, hard to tell with the servo turret though.

I think they were the 2 pushfit releases for marines that every new starter faction gets these days yeah. To be fair tneva isn’t talking about pushfit kits having options, they mean pushfit kits getting additional sprues for weapon options. But I think the Chaos Knight one is pretty close for it to be plausible.

Read on Reddit that some people had bad experience with Leviathan models, with plastic being soft/easy to damage/break. Has anything similar happened to any of you?

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Read on Reddit that some people had bad experience with Leviathan models, with plastic being soft/easy to damage/break. Has anything similar happened to any of you?

Mine seems normal, even got two sprues tangled up and managed to get them apart without damage

Nothing about the plastic has struck me as being any different to any recent kit I've received.

No problem with mine either.

Only issue I had was the chest on my Screamer Killer having a gap in the join. But I’m pretty confident that’s my own doing. Got a second set so should be able to comment further once I get more plastic glue.

tneva82 wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
They won't put out pushfits with options.

It's either same sprues as leviathan on own or new reqular kit.

I’d have thought the termagants would be very easy to just add a weapon option sprue to. So I really wouldn’t be surprised to see them just release the push fit with added sprues.

I would. It would be 1st for gw.

Gw isn't exactly hardest to figure out and since 8th been even more set to follow pattern.

The Chaos Knights for Age of Sigmar were done this way – the Easy to Build Knights from the Start Collecting! box were released as a separate kit, with an extra sprue to build a standard bearer and musician, various marks and leader bits.

EDIT: Oops, someone beat me to it!

We may get a social media preview today (might be Tyranids, but who knows), the twitter account needs just 17 more followers to reach 125k, follower gain has sped up in the last days, so this will probably happen in the next couple of hours.

Tsagualsa wrote:
We may get a social media preview today (might be Tyranids, but who knows), the twitter account needs just 17 more followers to reach 125k, follower gain has sped up in the last days, so this will probably happen in the next couple of hours.

Even if it happens they won't release an article on Sunday, it will be coming tomorrow, same as the deathleaper

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Read on Reddit that some people had bad experience with Leviathan models, with plastic being soft/easy to damage/break. Has anything similar happened to any of you?

Mine seems perfectly normal GW style resin.

It could be people who are new to the hobby or perhaps they've only ever built mostly chunky solid space marines and the Tyranids with their tentacles and such are a new experience for them.

Another thing which can happen with push fit is if you use glue and don't trim the peg and apply glue to the peg/slot; the gas/glue mix can get stuck in the slot. This results in you having to apply more than normal force to join the parts which could result in breaking.

 Matrindur wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
We may get a social media preview today (might be Tyranids, but who knows), the twitter account needs just 17 more followers to reach 125k, follower gain has sped up in the last days, so this will probably happen in the next couple of hours.

Even if it happens they won't release an article on Sunday, it will be coming tomorrow, same as the deathleaper

Makes sense. I did not follow their Instagram so i have no idea how the details worked out. I'd also guess they'll give it some wiggle room so that the counter is safely over the benchmark

 Overread wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Read on Reddit that some people had bad experience with Leviathan models, with plastic being soft/easy to damage/break. Has anything similar happened to any of you?

Mine seems perfectly normal GW style resin.

Hate to tell you this mate but I think you got a recast :/

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Read on Reddit that some people had bad experience with Leviathan models, with plastic being soft/easy to damage/break. Has anything similar happened to any of you?

Mine seems perfectly normal GW style resin.

Hate to tell you this mate but I think you got a recast :/

Dang it!

don't have the tyrandis, but had that problem with other GW core box models were the thinner parts break easy
like need to replace all the Stormcast spears from the easy to build models with wire because they all broke during playing (and they are standing on a multibase)

The worst I've encountered are Khinerai models because GW modelled them using their tails as flight stands - they look awesome but are so fragile .

Haven’t had any issues with the Tyranid stuff and I’ve built all bar the Screamer Killer so far.

There are lots of claws and spikes though so it’s only natural that they will snag on things.

Maybe people have been too rough/enthusiastic with them? Or maybe they got dodgy casts.

rather dodgy cast, as things that break on my models are not really breaking but snapping of with a clean cut which indicates something happend during the casting process rather than being not careful enough

Built two sets and there where no problems even with those tentacles. You need to be very rough to break it. and al my spears for the sormcasts are fine. i think it has also something to do how you handel and transport your mini's.

 kodos wrote:
rather dodgy cast, as things that break on my models are not really breaking but snapping of with a clean cut which indicates something happend during the casting process rather than being not careful enough

Plastic tends to snap fairly clean on most models. Shattering is more of a thing you get with drops on larger models, hollow models or resins.

maybe this is lost in translation

but there are 2 types of plastic breaking, one being of the "user" overextend or is not careful which gives a colourshift first and than breaks of

and the other one is a clear cut, most of the times with a spike in the middle that is caused by material issue
usually happens on spear, antennas and similar parts

 kodos wrote:

and the other one is a clear cut, most of the times with a spike in the middle that is caused by material issue
usually happens on spear, antennas and similar parts

Thats exactly how a tail on one of my Termagants broke off. Not even touching if just clipping it off the sprue and suddenly the tail falls off. And just like you explained, no stress marks and tiny spike in the middle

 Matrindur wrote:

 kodos wrote:

and the other one is a clear cut, most of the times with a spike in the middle that is caused by material issue
usually happens on spear, antennas and similar parts

Thats exactly how a tail on one of my Termagants broke off. Not even touching if just clipping it off the sprue and suddenly the tail falls off. And just like you explained, no stress marks and tiny spike in the middle

That sounds like a genuine miscast.

I remember them being more common years ago. And whilst not ideal or even acceptable, the wee spiky stub usually allows for a quick and strong fix with a dab of glue.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

 kodos wrote:

and the other one is a clear cut, most of the times with a spike in the middle that is caused by material issue
usually happens on spear, antennas and similar parts

Thats exactly how a tail on one of my Termagants broke off. Not even touching if just clipping it off the sprue and suddenly the tail falls off. And just like you explained, no stress marks and tiny spike in the middle

That sounds like a genuine miscast.

I remember them being more common years ago. And whilst not ideal or even acceptable, the wee spiky stub usually allows for a quick and strong fix with a dab of glue.

It's probably the result of failed annealing, most likely due to cooling down too fast. That effect has been know from glassblowing for a couple of hundred years, and can get absolutely wild results:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Rupert%27s_drop

Would make sense that such errors would result in greater number than usual from rushed production, where you go up to the safety margin for cooling times.

Barbara Streisgaunts get a separate release next Saturday. Which is nice!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/09/sunday-preview-starter-sets-for-gamers-and-painters/

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Barbara Streisgaunts get a separate release next Saturday. Which is nice!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/09/sunday-preview-starter-sets-for-gamers-and-painters/

Let's pray that they don't earn the moniker 'Golden Gaunts'

Christ almighty, why is the Rulebook a limited, GW site exclusive? Why wouldn't they make an actual, useful for gaming RULEBOOK easy to get forever??

 Prometheum5 wrote:
Christ almighty, why is the Rulebook a limited, GW site exclusive? Why wouldn't they make an actual, useful for gaming RULEBOOK easy to get forever??

Because the rules are free to download on the Website forever? And printed products are expensive and out of date pretty soon.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
Christ almighty, why is the Rulebook a limited, GW site exclusive? Why wouldn't they make an actual, useful for gaming RULEBOOK easy to get forever??

It’s specifically a rules only, A5 sized book. The bigger volume is permanent.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
Christ almighty, why is the Rulebook a limited, GW site exclusive? Why wouldn't they make an actual, useful for gaming RULEBOOK easy to get forever??

Probably because they eventually intend to issue a new version in future that incorporates errata, and don't want stock of the old edition lying around in the warehouse.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:
Christ almighty, why is the Rulebook a limited, GW site exclusive? Why wouldn't they make an actual, useful for gaming RULEBOOK easy to get forever??

It’s specifically a rules only, A5 sized book. The bigger volume is permanent.

Yes, I know. That's a book they should sell! The Core books are terrible to actually use. A cheaper, smaller, convenient, rules-only book is something they should have available at all times.

Print the pdf file so you can make it so big or tinny as you want.

 xttz wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:
Christ almighty, why is the Rulebook a limited, GW site exclusive? Why wouldn't they make an actual, useful for gaming RULEBOOK easy to get forever??

Probably because they eventually intend to issue a new version in future that incorporates errata...

Ha ha ha

Yeah right.

Good one.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:
Christ almighty, why is the Rulebook a limited, GW site exclusive? Why wouldn't they make an actual, useful for gaming RULEBOOK easy to get forever??

Because the rules are free to download on the Website forever? And printed products are expensive and out of date pretty soon.

That doesn't stop them putting the massive rules + background book on the shelves for years.

Maybe they're testing the water to see how popular a 'just the rules, cheers' version is with the public.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Maybe they're testing the water to see how popular a 'just the rules, cheers' version is with the public.

You'd think that the previous editions which had A5 softbacks, or the previous times they've sold A5 hardbacks would have given them some inkling. Then again, that probably counts as market research, and we wouldn't want to be otiose...

I'm surprised they haven't just called it a 'launch rulebook'.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
I'm surprised they haven't just called it a 'launch rulebook'.

How?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
I'm surprised they haven't just called it a 'launch rulebook'.

How?

Sorry. My bad. Ignore my naff joke about how GW use the phrase 'launch' rather than 'limited edition'.

Terribly sorry, chum, but they’ve always been pretty up front about what is and isn’t a limited run?

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
I'm surprised they haven't just called it a 'launch rulebook'.

How?

Sorry. My bad. Ignore my naff joke about how GW use the phrase 'launch' rather than 'limited edition'.

The confusion will be complete once they release another naval game, with launch boxes

Battle for Ogrham has wrapped up.

Fingers crossed Saturday is a day pleasing to the Hive Mind!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Battle for Ogrham has wrapped up.

Fingers crossed Saturday is a day pleasing to the Hive Mind!

Sort of annoyed they aren't laying it out for people prior to Saturday, I imagine there'll be 15mins of waffle the a sudden dip in viewers once the winner is revealed.

Better yet in hindsight, there's nothing to suggest some of the losers minis won't get a preview, which might enticement people in.

I’ll probably be in the pub for it. So I’ll be happy regardless ??

Dudeface wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Battle for Ogrham has wrapped up.

Fingers crossed Saturday is a day pleasing to the Hive Mind!

Sort of annoyed they aren't laying it out for people prior to Saturday, I imagine there'll be 15mins of waffle the a sudden dip in viewers once the winner is revealed.

Better yet in hindsight, there's nothing to suggest some of the losers minis won't get a preview, which might enticement people in.

Probably a few people who'll turn in who wouldn't otherwise if they knew ahead of time it was SM only or Tyranid only.

I knew that we have to wait until Saturday for minis but somehow I expected that today they at least will announce who won.

Honestly I expect we will see something for us wether we won or lost...there also could be a draw...

I could very well see GW doing "because results were so close we decided to show the "losing side" as well.

Also they never said one side would get nothing, just that the winning side would see everything whilst the other would only see some.

We also don't know the time-line for the release and how fast things are coming out, with the big one being the Codex. Because they'll have art, photos and rules for the new and replaced models that's basically the deadline for when GW can release info on everything being updated.


I figure GW might keep quiet about who won until Saturday; build up the hype and make sure both sides of fans turn up.

 Overread wrote:
I could very well see GW doing "because results were so close we decided to show the "losing side" as well.

Also they never said one side would get nothing, just that the winning side would see everything whilst the other would only see some.

We also don't know the time-line for the release and how fast things are coming out, with the big one being the Codex. Because they'll have art, photos and rules for the new and replaced models that's basically the deadline for when GW can release info on everything being updated.


I figure GW might keep quiet about who won until Saturday; build up the hype and make sure both sides of fans turn up.

Both codex will drop between Sept and Nov.

Admittedly nobody can say which of the 2 is first, there's historical precedent for October as the first codex now though.

As long as we will see new Nids I do not care who won or how GW will justify showing both forces.

Dudeface wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Battle for Ogrham has wrapped up.

Fingers crossed Saturday is a day pleasing to the Hive Mind!

Sort of annoyed they aren't laying it out for people prior to Saturday, I imagine there'll be 15mins of waffle the a sudden dip in viewers once the winner is revealed.

Better yet in hindsight, there's nothing to suggest some of the losers minis won't get a preview, which might enticement people in.

Uuh this decides just who gets to see first.

Other gets later.

This was known from get-go. It's just who gets to see first and bit of fluff text. Nothing earth shattering.

tneva82 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Battle for Ogrham has wrapped up.

Fingers crossed Saturday is a day pleasing to the Hive Mind!

Sort of annoyed they aren't laying it out for people prior to Saturday, I imagine there'll be 15mins of waffle the a sudden dip in viewers once the winner is revealed.

Better yet in hindsight, there's nothing to suggest some of the losers minis won't get a preview, which might enticement people in.

Uuh this decides just who gets to see first.

Other gets later.

This was known from get-go. It's just who gets to see first and bit of fluff text. Nothing earth shattering.

Some people may want to arrange to put the time aside to watch if the reveals are relevant to them, not telling people beforehand might annoy some.

I won't have the luxury to watch live regardless, but don't trivialise how people commit to spending their time would be my advice.

tneva82 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Battle for Ogrham has wrapped up.

Fingers crossed Saturday is a day pleasing to the Hive Mind!

Sort of annoyed they aren't laying it out for people prior to Saturday, I imagine there'll be 15mins of waffle the a sudden dip in viewers once the winner is revealed.

Better yet in hindsight, there's nothing to suggest some of the losers minis won't get a preview, which might enticement people in.

Uuh this decides just who gets to see first.

Other gets later.

This was known from get-go. It's just who gets to see first and bit of fluff text. Nothing earth shattering.

He knows. He’s annoyed that they won’t reveal the winner until Saturday so if it’s a faction you don’t care about, you’ll end up waiting for nothing if you end up watching the reveal.

It would be funny if GW threw a curve ball and revealed it was a necron tomb world which awoke, destroyed both sides, and now it’s a necron preview

The Marines won - and they won so well that they birthed a new generation of Marines.

Now Space Marine armies can field three united forces.

Original Marines
Primaris Marines
SuperPrime Marines

The Marines ate the Tyranids and now we have a Primaris Marine Prime with Wings

At this point it is not entirely out of the question that they do a reveal for both factions to stop nerd-rage, and just show the winner literally minutes before the loser

Tsagualsa wrote:
At this point it is not entirely out of the question that they do a reveal for both factions to stop nerd-rage, and just show the winner literally minutes before the loser

They'll still show stuff for the losing side, just not all of it.

My view is that how much we see depends a lot on the release window and structure. If GW is going to push the models out very slowly over several months then they will hold one side back to have something for marketing. If its going to be out and done much faster then they might be more willing ot show more.

GenCon's coming up. This is likely just them moving stuff out of the GenCon reveals to this "super special preview".

After all, gotta make room for yet more Epic!1!1

 Kanluwen wrote:
GenCon's coming up. This is likely just them moving stuff out of the GenCon reveals to this "super special preview".

After all, gotta make room for yet more Epic!1!1

As an aside, someone on twitter asked: we will get out 125k-follower-preview, but only after the preview show on saturday. Make of that what you will

I imagine they'll show one model from the losing side then.

 The Phazer wrote:
I imagine they'll show one model from the losing side then.

It's also possible that the 'reward' model will be for another game entirely, and they don't want to shift focus away from 40k until after the show, but your version is much more likely imho.

Nids will win, giving an excuse for a new breed of marine to combat the growing/changing swarm.

Primaris Ultraviolent Decimator Xenoslayers.

Tsagualsa wrote:

As an aside, someone on twitter asked: we will get out 125k-follower-preview, but only after the preview show on saturday. Make of that what you will

Could mean that they think it would be impolite to show new SM Lieutenant before Satursday's reveal for new SM units to not upset the Nids' players

 Overread wrote:
The Marines won - and they won so well that they birthed a new generation of Marines.

Now Space Marine armies can field three united forces.

Original Marines
Primaris Marines
SuperPrime Marines

Nah, more like Marines won so badly that all Xenos were discontinued and 40k was renamed to Warhammer Space Marines. Now every faction is space marines.

But different from Horus Heresy so you still have to buy both.

There was a leak who won the Oghram https://www.reddit.com/r/Tyranids/comments/14xe1ze/not_mine_but_thought_it_was_funny/

 Shadow Walker wrote:
There was a leak who won the Oghram https://www.reddit.com/r/Tyranids/comments/14xe1ze/not_mine_but_thought_it_was_funny/

I always loved that snippet

So what are your favourites from Oghram? Mine are Biovores, Termas, and Genestealers.

Probably the neurolictor and the emissary.

Yeah either the standard Lictor or the Neurolictor for me. The updates are all great but basically what I expected, but the Lictor is a huge improvement and the Neurolictor is amazingly creepy.

Lictor, and the Biovore/Pyrovore kits. Amazing.

Pic dump.

Squealers



Hormies



Termies with new guns



Lictor



Neurolictor



Biovore (channeling the Epic Exocrine, to my delight)



Pyrovore



Norn Emissary



Norn Assimilator

I am dissapointed that there were no Shrikes, and any bug that would count as the old LoW slot. Unless there is some hidden release, we are left with FW resin for that.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
I am dissapointed that there were no Shrikes, and any bug that would count as the old LoW slot. Unless there is some hidden release, we are left with FW resin for that.

I was surprised not to see Shrikes. It’s one of those bizarre GW decisions where they do the winged prime, but then don’t give him winged warriors to lead.

Slightly less surprised not to see stand alone Screamer Killer and Neurotyrants too. So we can probably assume they’ll be doomed to share a sprue for all eternity and be released in a start collecting style box at some point.

The models shown were stunning though. Would be interesting to see how this matches up to the various rumour mongers predictions too.

I’m counting 9 new units now?

Winged Prime
Norn Emissary
Norn Assimilator
Neurolictor
Screamer Killer
Von Ryan’s Leapers
Barbgaunts
Neurotyrant
Neurogaunts

Whilst I think I’d have liked a big massive LOW style kit, and Winged Warriors? I’m pretty happy we’ve seen an expansion of Little and Medium bugs for the most part.

Now to await the Codex and see how it all slots together.

Phew, these all look great. For me it's going to be either the deathleaper or the norn emissary.

Eh, not a fan of the new Stealers (glad I was able to scrounge 20 Deathwatch Overkill ones) or the new look of the Biovore/Pyrovore.

Kudos to GW for bringing back old-school weapons such as the strangleweb and spike rifle (even if they're now "special" weapons).

Highlight for me is the new Lictor.

If the Tyranids make it to Kill Team in the next season, here's hoping for a Grabber-Slasher (for nostalgia's sake)..

These are great, I hoped for a LoW and another bio tank but I can live with these, pretty much everything older is updated (the Carnifex doesn't need it, the Raveners can come in a Kill Team box). It means that there's room to add new stuff in future editions and campaigns with plenty to work on now.

I wonder how many Spore Mines are in the Biovore's kit. They show only four but hopefully there are more.

EonChao wrote:
These are great, I hoped for a LoW and another bio tank but I can live with these, pretty much everything older is updated (the Carnifex doesn't need it, the Raveners can come in a Kill Team box). It means that there's room to add new stuff in future editions and campaigns with plenty to work on now.

Not had the pleasure of plastic raveners, what makes them update worthy? Look OK to me.

Dudeface wrote:

EonChao wrote:
These are great, I hoped for a LoW and another bio tank but I can live with these, pretty much everything older is updated (the Carnifex doesn't need it, the Raveners can come in a Kill Team box). It means that there's room to add new stuff in future editions and campaigns with plenty to work on now.

Not had the pleasure of plastic raveners, what makes them update worthy? Look OK to me.

I thought the older models looked okay til I saw the new ones in person.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m counting 9 new units now?

Winged Prime
Norn Emissary
Norn Assimilator
Neurolictor
Screamer Killer
Von Ryan’s Leapers
Barbgaunts
Neurotyrant
Neurogaunts

Whilst I think I’d have liked a big massive LOW style kit, and Winged Warriors? I’m pretty happy we’ve seen an expansion of Little and Medium bugs for the most part.

Now to await the Codex and see how it all slots together.

Deathleaper, Psychophage and rippers missing
We got loads of new kits with this update.

The only miss from this batch is the Biovore - just doesn't look like a Tyranid organism, though I do like the parasite/symbiote weapon.

I think just giving it a different set of limbs can fix it.

Lictor and Norn Queen look great, though I wish the Norn was less Tyrant-but-bigger.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m counting 9 new units now?

Winged Prime
Norn Emissary
Norn Assimilator
Neurolictor
Screamer Killer
Von Ryan’s Leapers
Barbgaunts
Neurotyrant
Neurogaunts

Whilst I think I’d have liked a big massive LOW style kit, and Winged Warriors? I’m pretty happy we’ve seen an expansion of Little and Medium bugs for the most part.

Now to await the Codex and see how it all slots together.

Deathleaper, Psychophage and rippers missing

I think Rippers count as an old unit, same as SC and DL.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
The only miss from this batch is the Biovore - just doesn't look like a Tyranid organism, though I do like the parasite/symbiote weapon.

I think just giving it a different set of limbs can fix it.

Lictor and Norn Queen look great, though I wish the Norn was less Tyrant-but-bigger.

I think switching the front claws with the Tyrannofex fleshborer hives would be the way to go:



It would also make sense as an upgrade, have some close-range defence on your artillery-bugs.

Which pose of the Lictor do you like more? I am leaning toward one in the Behemot's colours.

I thought all of the new models looked good. I really like the Biovore model now. Genestealers are the least interesting as they just look like scaled up versions of the current models. I am glad Hormagaunts look nice and dynamic. I was really hoping we would have gotten a titanic model.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Which pose of the Lictor do you like more? I am leaning toward one in the Behemot's colours.

Nah, the Leviathan one is a classic - tall and lean. When I first saw the Behemot one, I thought it was a completely different model.

Old-Four-Arms wrote:

If the Tyranids make it to Kill Team in the next season, here's hoping for a Grabber-Slasher (for nostalgia's sake)..

The Chaos Tormented look like some good base to build one who has already devoured some stuff/organisms/people.

There's also the other 'big Squig' without a name who made it in Paul Bonner's rejected ( ) artwork.

He's a big squig, you can be a big squig too! HOY!

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Old-Four-Arms wrote:

If the Tyranids make it to Kill Team in the next season, here's hoping for a Grabber-Slasher (for nostalgia's sake)..

The Chaos Tormented look like some good base to build one who has already devoured some stuff/organisms/people.

There's also the other 'big Squig' without a name who made it in Paul Bonner's rejected ( ) artwork.

It's rare to see art that was going to hard even for the 80s (otherwise known as 'the cocaine decade') but this one apparently did - either because of the charnel pit in the foreground or because of the uncomfortable penetration images present would be my guess. Great artwork, but also very creepy.

I wonder if we will see updated Warriors and possibly Shrikes as part of some Kill Team releases.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Old-Four-Arms wrote:

If the Tyranids make it to Kill Team in the next season, here's hoping for a Grabber-Slasher (for nostalgia's sake)..

The Chaos Tormented look like some good base to build one who has already devoured some stuff/organisms/people.

There's also the other 'big Squig' without a name who made it in Paul Bonner's rejected ( ) artwork.

Never saw that piece before. Thanks for sharing !

 Deathklaat wrote:
I wonder if we will see updated Warriors and possibly Shrikes as part of some Kill Team releases.

Yeah, either as a double kit or at least Shrikes alone to give Winged Prime some utility.

So with the 10th we got the following new creatures Kits:

- Winged Tyranid Prime
- Neurotyrant with Neuroloids
- Carnifex Screamer-Killer
- Psychophage
- Von Ryan's Leapers
- Barbgaunts
- Neurogaunts
- Termagants (snap fit)
- Ripper Swarms
- Genestealers
- Termagants (multipart)
- Hormagaunts
- Death Leaper
- Lictor
- Neuro Lictor
- Biovore and Pyrovore
- Norn Emissary and Norn Assimilator

Thats a lot of plastic

From what I see, the Termagants are the same sculpts as the Leviathan / starter set models. Since these have separate arms, I guess the "multipart" version will just be a weapon arms sprue. Which is perfectly fine of course.

Size comparison taken from 4chan

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Size comparison taken from 4chan

Hello, I'm the Norn Emissary. Is that you, Little Swarmlord Gauntleroy?

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Size comparison taken from 4chan

Hello, I'm the Norn Emissary. Is that you, Little Swarmlord Gauntleroy?

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Size comparison taken from 4chan

Hello, I'm the Norn Emissary. Is that you, Little Swarmlord Gauntleroy?

It's a bit deceptive though - at first glance, it looks much larger, but about 50% of the exta size is just tactical rocks and back vanes Looks a bit like it's making itself taller on purpose, like a hiker trying to scare of a bear

Gonna be real fun to add this new Biovore to my 2nd edition ones, in the same unit no less

While the right leg is on a tactical... thing, the back leg is on the "ground".

The one thing that does makes it deceptive is just how tall are its vents.

Still easily 50% taller than a Hive Tyrant even without the vents.

I like the new sporechucker, looks like a dual kit so could possibly magnetize it for either duty. Probably will also be worth magnetizing the front legs to use those Tervigon front legs as someone suggested.

Also nice to see the spike rifle, 30+ years late.

Is there really any difference between the biovore and pyrovore, except for the gun bit? I wish they had distinct head options to help separate them

 Dryaktylus wrote:
art

What a horrible day to have eyes. I think this is the only bit of 40k-esque art I've seen that is actually disturbing.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Is there really any difference between the biovore and pyrovore, except for the gun bit? I wish they had distinct head options to help separate them

Pyrovore had a Chitinous tail curving up behind it.

Yeah it looks like whilst the Biofore has more room to move its gun angle, the Pyro is more locked down forward. Indeed I can envision that if the model doesn't allow it, a lot of people might mod the bio to point at an upward angle.

It will be really interesting to see how that kit is and if it will allow any angling of the gun and also if the guns are fully separate and can be be swapped easily (eg like the Exocrine setup) or if its more moulded into a core chunk of the body to make it require more active cutting and converting if you wanted to hot-swap.

I think like a lot of the models when we get 360 views or models in hand it will show up little and big detail differences and such.

Liked them all- nice to see the gants getting special weapons and looking forward to grabbing the hormagaunts as they've always been a favourite of mine. Stealers look cool in HD now. I really like how they have moved the 'Vore designs forward using giant ticks as the basis- very creepy and I really love how overall this update has added greater variety of forms and textures to the Nids. The Lictor is my favourite overall - always loved them and this update seems absolute perfection. Norn Emissary is cool, interested to see what the community does with them, will defintely get one but the priority will be the mid sized and small critters first.
Still greedily hoping for a second wave later- Eddie did mention when discussing the hormagaunt kit that other Tyranid kits would have them..and no further units did so maybe other things coming next year?
But yes what a cracking release.

A real mixed bag here;
Genestealers are meh, 99% the same as the old kit. Do they have any options?

Termagants are nice, looks like loads of weapon options.

Hormagants have some really odd poses. Trying too hard to be dramatic.

Lictors are superb, couldn't ask for better from a long over due plastic kit. Must buy for me.

Neurolictor is meh.

Biovore is such a departure from the older kits, and doesn't really fit with the rest of the range. The starcraft influence is strong. will stick with my really old metal living mortar looking ones.

Norm Emmisarry / assimilator - these are just new hive tyrants right? Thats all I see when looking at them.

Will definately be buying some of this stuff to update an army I haven't touched in years, but not the home run range update I hoped for.




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 Shadow Walker wrote:
Size comparison taken from 4chan

Seeing this I'm instantly thinking of taking one of the new guys, but using the swarmlords arms? The shoulder joint looks about the same.