Azazelx wrote:
Holy feth. That's a stupid number of components.

I don't mind the amount of components, i just want to know why he already got his? ！!

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
Holy feth. That's a stupid number of components.

I don't mind the amount of components, i just want to know why he already got his? ！!

Apparently they just sent out a random assortment of what they had in stock, whilst trying to make sure everyone got at least something. So I got a good chunk of my death dancers and harpies, but not my avatar either.

Luck of the draw I guess. I still have more stuff to come later too.

Yeah, I got my Avatar as well. Got my everything. They're sitting in a bath of Simple Green right now.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I've even built and based the majority of my order. Just need to prime 'em and get to work on them!

Jelly. Not even to the 'taking them out of baggies and putting into simple green' step yet, as I was immediately overly concerned about the shear number of bits involved when I opened the box so immediately closed it and set it on the shelf

- Salvage

 Boss Salvage wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I've even built and based the majority of my order. Just need to prime 'em and get to work on them!

Jelly. Not even to the 'taking them out of baggies and putting into simple green' step yet, as I was immediately overly concerned about the shear number of bits involved when I opened the box so immediately closed it and set it on the shelf

- Salvage

Take them one set at a time, I got them all past the simple green stage and then stared at the loose bits. Pretty sure I have them straight, but also spent twenty minutes chasing around a tiny piece of scrap that I thought was a foot.

Also, start with something other than the standard trooper sisters. Anything other than them. It's all better than those molds. Command is better, all the iciarates are better, davidians are amazing and easy, but those standard troopers.

Asking for a friend, has this one already been done, or is it still being worked on?

I have her (not yet painted.)

It's a lovely miniature.

There she is with her two bodyguards


Should click on that picture to make it even bigger.

Thanks, this means the model is at this point still a year or two out, but at least she's out in the open and not stuck in "touching up dat booty" phase any longer.

Man, I really need to open up my TGG boxes and see what's in there, what's missing, what's messed up and so on. Their badly laid out packing slips really put me off along with the oily trollcast (my TGG1 stuff is still pretty much all unopened). Maybe in September. If not, January. Bleugh.

RoninXiC wrote:
I have her (not yet painted.)

It's a lovely miniature.

There she is with her two bodyguards


Should click on that picture to make it even bigger.

Looks pretty sweet. Are there a bunch of tiny air bubbles on the tops of her wings there? That was a consistent issue with the were-she-wolves. Is it an issue here too? I wouldn't mind picking her up sometime in the (far) future to use, but maybe not if I have to email back and forth a bunch for a replacement set of wings.

There are few on the bottom of her robe and the joints aren't perfect.
The wings seem pretty perfect though.

I found the time to look further into my minis yesterday. Only one of the three lances for my sister's knight looks kinda straight. Is it usual? I remember that even back when I purchased my very very first models, Warhammer 5th edition starter set from 1996 had some Bretonians knights with perfectly straight lances.

Also is the whole very complicated stuff about putting the mini in water and everything really necessary? Seems overly complex to me.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I found the time to look further into my minis yesterday. Only one of the three lances for my sister's knight looks kinda straight. Is it usual? I remember that even back when I purchased my very very first models, Warhammer 5th edition starter set from 1996 had some Bretonians knights with perfectly straight lances.

Also is the whole very complicated stuff about putting the mini in water and everything really necessary? Seems overly complex to me.

Those models you purchased back then, as well as all GW minis now, are HIPS aka hard plastic. They don't suffer from warping or bending. The TGG models are resin which holds detail better but is much more fragile and prone to warping and bending. Use some hot water to make it pliable and bend them straight, carefull.

Thanks for the tip. Still sad to see such a regression, even if apparently (?) the other advantages make up for the drawbacks.

RoninXiC wrote:
There are few on the bottom of her robe and the joints aren't perfect.
The wings seem pretty perfect though.

Cool, thanks!

So new update, apparently nearly everything is done and the metals will be entering production shortly. They said that they did look at using a different caster but as that would have only saved them a few weeks they didn't bother, cause its not like they are two years late...

edited to remove most of the snark and all of the vitriol.

It's just so many words.. with so little content.. as usual ;(

Here's the link

https://www.ragingheroes.com/blogs/news/tgg2-update-78

and I can't belive you didn't post the cos-play picture

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
and I can't belive you didn't post the cos-play picture

Seriously! *cough* https://www.facebook.com/sallozare *cough*

I for one have enjoyed seeing the TGG2 KS come together, spent way more than I intended to, and will get my last models just about when I expected them (late Summer 2017 was what I guessed when I first pledged). Stupidly excited to get started on the army these chicks will be forming. Less excited for the cleaning and pinning stages of that project, but so it goes.

- Salvage

I wish I'd gotten my heroines in resin. I just want it over with. I've come full circle. From RH fanboy to so jaded and bitter that not even cosplay cheesecake can make me appreciate the product anymore.

And yet, somehow, they're still on course to beat GW for Sisters of Battle models.

I forget. Did they finish fulfillment or are we still waiting on something?

Looking at the TGG2 production spreadsheet (http://tgg2ks.com/production-status/), looks like these are the last of them:

Altar of the Succubi - moulds
Draahk Chariot - casting
Horse Chariot - casting
Spider Mother - casting
Yscarloth (x2) - casting

And whatever is happening with the metals. I think they came up in a recent epistle.

- Salvage

Metals come after everything else. So it looks like fulfillment is still some time out.

Only by a couple of weeks*.

* terms and conditions may apply

Gun-nuns are up for sale now, with a discount on the boxed sets of five, from €55,-(!) for €34,95. Also on sale as separate models, €11,- per model.

https://www.ragingheroes.com/collections/new

Those names though..

Still waiting for stuff like the spider mother and stuff...

 BrookM wrote:
Gun-nuns are up for sale now, with a discount on the boxed sets of five, from €55,-(!) for €34,95. Also on sale as separate models, €11,- per model.

https://www.ragingheroes.com/collections/new

Those names though..

What's wrong with the names? "Cha-Cha Silencia" has a nice ring to it.

Who else is still waiting for stuff? Everything in my order is shown as in production and nothing was that complicated. I think the Pegasus is maybe the last part of it that they cast?

I emailed them a month ago to ask for an update and they said this:

"As i can see here your remaining miniatures are finished in production but some references are out of stock and this is why they have not been shipped yet. We are waiting for a big restock but it looks like it has been held in customs ande hence the delay. As soon as all of them are received from the foundry we will proceed to ship following the backer number order."

Since then nothing and they haven't responded to a follow up email a week ago.

I was thinking about asking them where my stuff was... but it is RH man... you gotta expect them to be lazy and late.

I feel calling them Lazy is undue. Late..yes...by all means. uncommunicative...sure.

But they seem to be working hard.

For the completionists out there who want every mini of the second KS: https://www.ragingheroes.com/products/sister-heavy-submachine-gun



Spend €99 in their store and get the unreleased mini for free.

Instead of sending it out to the backers...

RoninXiC wrote:
Instead of sending it out to the backers...

They sent me mine like... a year ago.

Some people are speculating that RH is running low on funds due to the tone of the cyber Monday sales. I don't mind waiting, (still am), but I shall be seriously displeased if I don't get my stuff some day.

Certainly not sending them any more money till they, you know, send me the rest of my KS items...

 kestral wrote:
Some people are speculating that RH is running low on funds due to the tone of the cyber Monday sales. I don't mind waiting, (still am), but I shall be seriously displeased if I don't get my stuff some day.

The "make us a deal" promotion waaaaaas pretty weird. Also...all KS backers can still order stuff from the KS..at the KS prices. The "we need cash flow" theory sounds pretty solid.

I really wanted to back the terrain KS but I had a nagging feeling that it might not be a good idea.

The promo gets their name out there in a crowded market where they're mainly doing their selling from their own website

so unless a potential buyer can be enticed to visit they're not going to get any money. Give them some (almost?) free stuff, let them check out the quality (RH is proud of it even if some have issues, and many of those have been fixed) and they'll hopefully end up with some repeat business

the same as giving away all the free heroines on the KS did

and doing it over BF/CM means it ended up on loads of forums, facebook and other wargaming lists and blogs so plenty of exposure

 rayphoton wrote:

 kestral wrote:
Some people are speculating that RH is running low on funds due to the tone of the cyber Monday sales. I don't mind waiting, (still am), but I shall be seriously displeased if I don't get my stuff some day.

The "make us a deal" promotion waaaaaas pretty weird. Also...all KS backers can still order stuff from the KS..at the KS prices. The "we need cash flow" theory sounds pretty solid.

It's an issue with companies that go all-in on kickstarter but have very little retail presence. Most of their existing customer base buy their stuff via the KS, then funnily enough they don't purchase the same product from them again down the line. Mantic is trying to break out of this, but a smaller shop like RH will find it much harder.

Any idea if we're ever getting those metals or the larger stuff? I stopped reading the novella updates completely when they stopped publishing them on KS.


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 Dr Mathias wrote:
I really wanted to back the terrain KS but I had a nagging feeling that it might not be a good idea.

Regardless of anything else, they don't get a cent more from me until they've fully delivered on the previous KS. Artbook not withstanding.

I'm so glad I don't deal with them any more.

I keep hearing that they're waiting for a shipment from the forge before they can send the rest of my pledge.

First it was waiting for the 2 large figures to be completed, now it's waiting on more of the Sisters Regulars to be cast.

I'm getting more than a little anxious that I'll never see my other 20 infantry and 2 war pulpits.

 Jathom wrote:
I keep hearing that they're waiting for a shipment from the forge before they can send the rest of my pledge.

First it was waiting for the 2 large figures to be completed, now it's waiting on more of the Sisters Regulars to be cast.

I'm getting more than a little anxious that I'll never see my other 20 infantry and 2 war pulpits.

You'll get your stuff. they have fully delivered before...it just...takes a while....cough...a long while

Update of sorts. I got an email yesterday that my (fantasy) Yscarloth was shipped out ... and that there's a mispack with at least some of the Yscarloth kits and they asked me to double check that all the bits are there. Hoping there are instructions to let me know what I'm looking for

Also, just checked the "Production Status (with Live Updates)" and Yscy is still sitting at "Ready to Cast" ... so not quite as live as I've hoped

- Salvage

I must've annoyed them sooo much with my msgs and e-mails that they're now claiming that they will send my remaining stuff out THIS WEEK.
I doubt it.

They're doing an advent or something, first model up: https://www.ragingheroes.com/products/Reyallia-s-f

Those heels!!!

Is this another exclusive of some sort?

I think (not 100%) that this is just the 1st general release of some of the KS 2 stuff backers should have got already

Yep, got her ages ago back in the first shipment I believe.

I'll say this for them - I sent a question about an error I only just now discovered in the first shipment 1 yr + ago, and they seem willing to fix it, which is nice.

Another one: https://www.ragingheroes.com/products/Varaseesh-le-f

Spoilered because of the snakes..



And the titties of course.

Why did it has to be snakes?

Stil lwaiting on my stuff ofc.

Don't look now then, it's another newish release: https://www.ragingheroes.com/products/Mona-s-f?ct=t(Mona)

Another thing: https://www.ragingheroes.com/products/Xehzirhya-le-f

https://www.ragingheroes.com/products/sol-sarya-s-f

Just updating to notify i just received without any kind of warning the 2nd and final shipment for all the models just today.

Seems almost everything Resin it's done and sent, so just in time for X-mas!

I was told that rest of mine shipped as of the 14 Dec.

However, they didn't do tracking numbers for some reason, so I have no way to know how near it is.

Haven't gotten it yet, though. Can't wait for my 2 War Pulpits and my other 20 infantry to get here!


EDIT: Update! Box arrived today loaded with all my remaining stuff! Makes me sad I'm working on a commission that I need to finish ASAP before I can even begin cleaning them.

Got all my stuff.
The torture is finally over.

The spider mother consists of 1049938382 parts, all look the same and there is of course no instructions

RoninXiC wrote:
Got all my stuff.
The torture is finally over.

The spider mother consists of 1049938382 parts, all look the same and there is of course no instructions

Think of it like a 3d jigsaw puzzle

RoninXiC wrote:
Got all my stuff.
The torture is finally over.

That I laughed at this is telling me I really shouldn't buy any more of their stuff and I should focus on models that I can build without as much frustration.

Yeah, I had to reassess my desire for all the giant stuff and their multitude of parts when things first started shipping out.

Some of the infantry figures were bad enough. Death Dancers, anyone?

I still wish they'd done the Matron to go with them.

...is it wrong of me to curiously be wondering if we'll see a 3rd minis campaign in the near future?

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
...is it wrong of me to curiously be wondering if we'll see a 3rd minis campaign in the near future?

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

From one of the many newsletters they sent out recently:

2017 was another incredible adventure for us thanks to the great support of our fans around the world. Thanks also for your patience about TGG2 shipments, it's finally coming to an end...and thanks for your amazing feedback too!

Now you'd better get ready for 2018 because it's gonna be a hell of a fun ride again:
The TGG sci-fi game is finally coming with the TGG3 Kickstarter !!!
So, lots of new minis and stuff !!!
The delivery of the WarStages' Cathedrals
The whole TGG2 range while become fully available to the general public.
More games are in the works so you can do some crazy stuff with your TGG minis.
So stay tuned and keep on rocking.
We wish you a great 2018, it's going to be fun!

edit.

PLACE BETS!

Still waiting for my pulpits...

T

WOOT WOOT Finally got the final shipment from the Raging Heroes Thoughest girls in the Galaxy 2

Raging Heroes



Avatar of Shaah



And 3rd kickstarter? i would't know but shiny new mini's i may cave in

Did that ship with instructions?

(I hope!)

 Alpharius wrote:
Did that ship with instructions?

(I hope!)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....There are NO instructions in France!!!

You have to wait a month for the video

 rayphoton wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Did that ship with instructions?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....There are NO instructions in France!!!

I lol'd

But seriously: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0034/6452/files/AVATAR_OF_SHAAH_ASSEMBLY_GUIDE.pdf

As for Yscarloth, who the feth knows. Likewise for where mine is at - no tracking numbers (French or otherwise) means USPS can't find her from back in early December

- Salvage

Wow, instructions!

If I'd known they'd have come through on those I might have actually ended up getting one after all!

I really wish more companies would do digital instructions at least for some of these larger multipart kits out in the wild.

*opens the Avatar*

I am so fethed.

*discovers directions, downloads and pages through*

Pretty much still fethed

I'll tackle her some day, but directions certainly help make sense of that pile of resin.
The only other TGG2 with directions so far is the war pulpit: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0034/6452/files/WAR_PULPIT_ASSEMBLY_GUIDE.pdf?11944693247561762413

And 'Assembly Charts' live here on their site: https://www.ragingheroes.com/pages/assembly-charts

- Salvage

Maybe it's just me, but some of those kits have way too many sub-assemblies or parts per limb.

Nah its just you Brook, the work flow told us that kits that are in more and smaller parts than Wyrd in a harder to work with material were the best idea, due to workflow. Oh, its interesting they are now talking of another mini kickstarter even though their wokflow has not workflowed the metal models yet.
Those assembly instructions are adorable.

Mini-KS? For what exactly?

 BrookM wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but some of those kits have way too many sub-assemblies or parts per limb.

I'm with you- to date, I've built a total of two RH figures.

Dear TGG2 backers,

So it is probably one of the last TGG2 updates we are writing as we are now very close of wrapping up the TGG2 production and shipments.

Things are going according to plan: If you don't have the Altar of the Succubi or metal Heroines in your rewards, your shipment has most likely already been sent.

In fact, we just have about 70 shipments left to send from that category, but one of the parcel from the foundry has been put temporary on hold at customs. This happens from time to time. It's a standard procedure, but it generates a few additional days of delay. We will get this box early next week and finish these few remaining shipment. They all should be shipped out before the end of the week.

If you have the Altar of the Succubi or metal Heroines in your rewards selection, that's what the foundry is working on now.

rest of it is here https://www.ragingheroes.com/blogs/news/tgg2-update80

Could it be? Who'd have thunk that trying to get a few pieces in metal would result in a year's delay?

Lot of negativity here, so I thought I'd weigh in.

I acted as a dropship location for the first KS and pledged high on the second.

I've received all my RH minis from both Kickstarters and will happily be pledging on their upcoming third.

The resin can be a pain to work with but they've gone to lengths to improve that and the more recent stuff is much better (IE it doesn't require as much work to get the primer to stick to.)

Quality has been excellent, and where it was not for one of my dropship customers, RH immediately worked to remedy to situation.

Support have been entirely great, from my experience, and I've had to use them several times.
I received the wrong items on one shipment, contacted them and had my correct items sent really quickly and a pre-paid return issued for the others.
I moved from UK to New Zealand in the middle of KS2 fulfilment and they updated my details and sent my remaining shipments all the way to NZ without further charge.

Building can be difficult to decipher but I've muddled through it without serious issue. I've not had to do any of the larger models yet, but look forward to tackling them.

Anyway, that's just my experience with RH to counter all the complaints and grumbling I've seen here recently.

And you forgot the 2 years late ... for both projects

I'm sure plenty of people will chime in to say that there is nothing wrong with being two years.

Some guys will have to wait 3 years if they opted for metal...

Thats an interesting perspective. I guess I am just old fashioned in that I expect people who I have paid money to, to do what they were paid for.

For example I don't expect a company to massively delay sending out goods because the want to get them just right, only for them to be no where close to right and to spend more time faffing around and still failing to fix their errors.

I also don't expect a company using a funding platform to cease communication on that platform because they might be trolled, nor do I expect them to take comments on their own blog where negatives magically disappear.

Quality has been excellent?


That's a crack running through the model running from .5mm to 1.2mm deep, that's excellent to you is it? Funny cause RH thought that was appropriate as well... They also don't seem to mind putting vents and gates on details like faces or interiors of curved surfaces.

Support has been next to non existent from my experience I managed to get responses twice from them, once when pretending to be a new customer on their chat thing and once when I stayed up all night to phone them. They failed to respond to every other email/message/KS PM.

Still different strokes for different folks and all that...

I've found that yes, it's been worth the wait.

They made no secret that metal would be done once all the resin was finished. It's taken a lot of time but it's now coming around.

As for dropping the KS platform for their updates - RH gave their reasons and I accepted them. Up to you if you don't. One platform for updates is as good as another, for me, so I honestly dont GaS if it's through KS or their website.

With regards to casting errors - I guess that I've just seen worse, having been there when the multinational GW launched their Finecast in all its hole-and-miscast glory, so a few air bubbles in a small company's excellent models did not worry me.

Yes, they took a long time, and yes their updates are sometimes few and far between, but the mini's are better than others offer and affordable. What more do you ask?

Honesty, decency and respect. Which I am sure is too much and very wrong headed of me.


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PossumCraft wrote:
I've found that yes, it's been worth the wait.

They made no secret that metal would be done once all the resin was finished. It's taken a lot of time but it's now coming around.

As for dropping the KS platform for their updates - RH gave their reasons and I accepted them. Up to you if you don't. One platform for updates is as good as another, for me, so I honestly dont GaS if it's through KS or their website.

With regards to casting errors - I guess that I've just seen worse, having been there when the multinational GW launched their Finecast in all its hole-and-miscast glory, so a few air bubbles in a small company's excellent models did not worry me.

Yes, they took a long time, and yes their updates are sometimes few and far between, but the mini's are better than others offer and affordable. What more do you ask?

Thinking on this a little more,

Okay, you dont care that they changed platform for their updates? Other people do. Especially when its in the T&S they signed upto, they gave their resoning which amounted to they were being picked on ... when their project was delayed. They also moved to a platform that they get can control the comments and they refused to engage on the site that they were obligated to.

Casting errors, so because other people have done worse that makes it acceptable? That is a stunningly pathetic argument and that pic isnt a few air bubbles, its a crack running up the leg of that model.Like an open wound.

They are currently three years late, if you backed the first they are currently five years late fully delivering that. GW sells 10 wyches for 23 euros in HIPS, RH sells 5 of their equivalant for 20 euro. RH sells characters for the Void Elves from 14 to 20 euro. Gw 15.5 to 20. What is judged to be worth it is upto the individual, but three years ago you could go online and get GWs models discounted straight away and any faults GW will replace them, RH not so much.

Edited again to remove some hyperbole.

Ah, the "they're a small company so they can get away with it" line of reasoning.

If they'd stopped posting on KS entirely I would have been peeved, being forced to check elsewhere with no idea when an update would happen would have been annoying,

but they didn't, the do a KS update (so you get an email to your KS email) with a link to follow every time and one more click to get to the text and pictures is not a hardship

No its not much of a hardship but personally I find it pretty irritating that they couldn't just put it up on KS like they are supposed to, the censoring of comments I find worse.

@Brook just noticed your question from upthread, taken from last update;
TGG3 and the TGG game soon to launch
What's coming? New awesome minis, great scenery and an ass-kicking game! That's what you can count on for the TGG3 Kickstarter. We are now pretty close to start showing you some stuff about TGG3 and the game. There will soon be a dedicated web address for this project and you'll get to learn all about it as we unveil the many different sides of this project. It's going to be very exciting!

 kestral wrote:
Could it be? Who'd have thunk that trying to get a few pieces in metal would result in a year's delay?

Anyone who backed or heard of the first RH kickstarter must have had at least an inkling of what they were like. My point of view was, I'll pay some money and get some cool RPG / painting project figures at some random point in the next 3-4 years.

RH has, historically, not taken ANY type of criticism well, at all.

So while none of this is surprising, it is still disappointing.

 ingtaer wrote:


Casting errors, so because other people have done worse that makes it acceptable? That is a stunningly pathetic argument and that pic isnt a few air bubbles, its a crack running up the leg of that model.Like an open wound.

They are currently three years late, if you backed the first they are currently five years late fully delivering that. GW sells 10 wyches for 23 euros in HIPS, RH sells 5 of their equivalant for 20 euro. RH sells characters for the Void Elves from 14 to 20 euro. Gw 15.5 to 20. What is judged to be worth it is upto the individual, but three years ago you could go online and get GWs models discounted straight away and any faults GW will replace them, RH not so much.

As to point one - no, it's not an argument at all, it's a statement of my experience with both companies. Obviously in a perfect world all castings would be flawless, but in my experience RH's have been far better than GW's finecast when both were first launched. Both have made leaps in improving the situation.
My good experience does not diminish the problems you've encountered but nor does your bad experience diminish that mine has been good. It's important for people to see both sides of the argument without anybody becoming biased or slinging mud.


As to the second point - as I stated before, my experience has been that RH do replace miscast or damaged models, far more readily than GW were willing to for me when I received bad finecast.

And finally the question of price - on this I fully admit I have a skewed perspective as I'm living in NZ, where GW have for no defendable reason tripled their pricing. RH have not.
Even so, I would not even compare GW's bulk stamped wyches to RH's high quality and very individual designs. Personally I don't consider them in the same league.

Edit: oh, and as a footnote, when somebody else went off at RH for moving their updates off of KS I looked at the T&S and it does not anywhere obligate them to using KS for their updates. That may be out of date now but at the time KS simply advised that creators use their platform for ease of reaching pledgers.

Well mate I just don't get why you felt it was necessary to weigh into the thread to " counter all the complaints and grumbling I've seen here recently" when the main issue is that next month they are two years late, with no actual timeframe for being done. So you have had nothing but good experiences? Well done! I note that you have studiously avoided the being late part though...

You say that everyone should see both sides of the argument without becoming biased or slinging mud, yet you manage to do that to GW in every post and this thread isn't even about GW.

Like in your second point, that does not match with the experiences of very nearly everyone else I have ever heard of in real life or online.

Your third point, am I in Narnia or something? I just checked my flag and it still shows NZ. So you are bitter at GW because we pay more for models? You do know there are ways around this yes? And you valuing them differently does not mean anything at all, you said they were more affordable, they are not. Would you care to move the goal posts a little further?

Did I offend you personally some how? It seems some toes have been stepped on.

I'm not trying to offend anyone, I just thought it might be helpful to have a positive perspective added in. If not, I'll bow out.

No mate you haven't offended me, irritated though. I just find it a little much that someones second post in a thread about a kickstarter that is two years late is to tell everyone that everything is hunky-dory. Then further back this up with posts that are contrary and poorly thought out. Like your second sentence here, if you hadn't offended me before that's a pretty good way of going about it don't you think?
still heres an olive branch.

Aside from them being late on both KS I've had a positive experience with them as well. After TGG1 I knew what to expect from them and was not surprised by them being late on TGG2. Is that ok? I would prefer punctuality but I accepted it as part of dealing with RH and to the extent of my experience participating in KS. For both KS I do a thorough quality control session with all of the minis I receive and they have replaced anything I found issues with so I give them a good rating on customer service. They have always responded to my emails or KS messages when I contact them. I would prefer they update more often but I have never been in doubt that I would receive my models. At this point in time I think there is ample opinions both for and against backing a RH KS so anyone that is thinking about it can make an informed decision. I think their sculpts are beautiful and fun to paint. I have not had any of the issues with mold release with either KS. I opted for all resin and have received all of my minis.

Of all the things I fault them for, the timeline isn't much of it.

That said, I'd have taken some of that workflow time and used it to create new and better estimates for how damned long the rest of the process was going to take and attempt to manage customer expectations just a bit. It's more time consuming than people expect, but when your project blows up into entire different levels of scale so do time lines. People expecting the original time line are simply wrong, but for them to have done little to nothing to manage it better despite having experience with it once prior is painful to watch.

The time line slip was going to happen if they were going to grow in a sane way and not immediately collapse if they don't have such massive success with their next campaign. They really should have been more on top of it though. And they shouldn't have put heels on everything. The problem has been the relative silence on any kind of markers for release and/or when delays occur.

My experience has been pretty good with them. Each delivery I got some faulty or incorrect models but they replaced them with no questions. The second replacement took a while though and a few chasing emails as they were trying to get out everyone’s original pledge.

I will say I wasn’t desperate to receive the models quickly. I have such a backlog I’ve only painted a couple of them. If you were wanting the models for a project I can see why someone would be annoyed.

 BrookM wrote:
I'm sure plenty of people will chime in to say that there is nothing wrong with being two years.

I think Kickstarter should just have a "Haha, but seriously." clause that automatically add +1 year to the fulfilment date of any geek project, and +2 if it involves miniatures. It's clear that wargame companies are simply incapable of guessing how long their business takes.

 Elemental wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I'm sure plenty of people will chime in to say that there is nothing wrong with being two years.

I think Kickstarter should just have a "Haha, but seriously." clause that automatically add +1 year to the fulfilment date of any geek project, and +2 if it involves miniatures. It's clear that wargame companies are simply incapable of guessing how long their business takes.

I'd type more, but I'd get a PM then from people telling me to stop.

Does anyone have a shot of the Lust Elves besides the GW Witch Elves?

I am tempted to grab some of the Lust Elves to use with all the new Daughters of Khaine, but want to make sure they scale well.

I've been informed by e-mail that they would have sent my order (among the very last), except that they had run out of bases. I just laughed. I'm hoping I can be the very last person to receive their figures - my two minutes of fame. Any day now, surely? How many others are still waiting?

I sent them an email 3 weeks ago and ...they responded quickly. saying that it SHOULD be this week, please emial them back if it wasn't (Elias was very polite)

I sent an email 2 weeks ago and they were like, "We are out of bases, but should be fixed soon! (Elias was ... polite)

I sent an email a week ago and was told that "Casting the alter is really hard...so ..there's a delay (Elias is matter of fact about this)

I'm gonna wait till Monday to send my fourth email to see where its all at.

I didn't even have the Alter.

Got the last of my order today in California. Had been held up by the pulpit and some metal figures.

T

I got kicked out of their Warstages terrain kickstarter for being "impolite" and asking too many questions..

Delivery was supposed to be June... June this year.

They haven't shown anything since the end of the project. All they did was post some updates with content from before the project had even started.

What a mess.

I am kind of happy I got my money back.. but now I cannot participate in the mess anymore :(

Ive gotten updates about it...3 or so I think. We even got pdf's and stuff to print our own little add ons.

I feel "mess" is currently a overstatement

Yeah, i've read those updates... but those free pdfs are just a distraction in my opinion.. they are not what we pledged for...

RoninXiC wrote:I got kicked out of their Warstages terrain kickstarter for being "impolite" and asking too many questions..

Delivery was supposed to be June... June this year.

They haven't shown anything since the end of the project. All they did was post some updates with content from before the project had even started.

What a mess.

I am kind of happy I got my money back.. but now I cannot participate in the mess anymore :(

You're lucky. I wish I could get my money back and get some other terrain right now. I don't want to wait for another year when the project was supposed to be nearly completed already.

rayphoton wrote:Ive gotten updates about it...3 or so I think. We even got pdf's and stuff to print our own little add ons.

I feel "mess" is currently a overstatement

Did you get any update about the process of completing the project ? Because I didn't. We got some background about how they got the idea and prototyping stuff. But actual progress ? Nope.

I sent a nice e-mail and got a nice one in reply saying that my order would be shipped in two weeks due to a move....

They always find a new excuse.

 Elemental wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I'm sure plenty of people will chime in to say that there is nothing wrong with being two years.

I think Kickstarter should just have a "Haha, but seriously." clause that automatically add +1 year to the fulfilment date of any geek project, and +2 if it involves miniatures. It's clear that wargame companies are simply incapable of guessing how long their business takes.

I've had TWO CMoN miniature boardgames deliver early.

Kingdom Death: Monster 1.5 is "on time".

If a project runs more than a year late, it's likely to fail beyond mere lateness.

Most of my latest Kickstarters have been quite accurate. Maybe a month or two later.. nothing compared to Raging Heroes 2-3 years late!

ehh. This opinion is not going to be shared by every one but...of the 30-40 KS Ive backed (too too many) rough half of them have been stupid delayed.

I maybe jaded to delays so ....none of there hold ups really bother me. I feel the terrain KS is actually doing better than ny initial predictions

Nothing compares to the hero quest 25th anniversary debacle. and if I can manage to not be mad about that..then..the rest is gravy.

Middara by succubus miniatures is currently the winner for most delayed KS Ive ever backed. There cresting 4 years I think.

Anyway just my opinion. I still like the company, Ill probably back their silly new game.

My longest delayed was three years and I wasn't at all bothered but I find RH... objectionable. I think its more to do with the refusing to communicate on the platform they took money from, the not answering emails and the fact that I get loads of emails from them telling me about the sales they are running for minis that they still haven't delivered from the Kickstarter. The actual delay isn't that irksome, after all its not like I am actually going to get them painted anytime this decade.

But still, its all about the workflow!

 ingtaer wrote:
My longest delayed was three years and I wasn't at all bothered but I find RH... objectionable. I think its more to do with the refusing to communicate on the platform they took money from, the not answering emails and the fact that I get loads of emails from them telling me about the sales they are running for minis that they still haven't delivered from the Kickstarter. The actual delay isn't that irksome, after all its not like I am actually going to get them painted anytime this decade.

But still, its all about the workflow!

Ok Ok...I will abck you up on this part. That is a tad irritating....to see all the sales and deals and what nots. I get that my alter is basically stopping my order from going out. But at least the option to get another midshipment might be nice

Bye the way... could anyone from the warstages kickstarter send me their latest e-mail? Since I got kicked and they stopped putting stuff into kickstarter updates, I am missing out on the disaster.

I'm talking about the one from a month ago where they claim their family members have been ill or something.

Thanks

Maybe post that request in the proper KS thread though?

I got my package complete at 5:10 Eastern Time, today, August 11th, 2018. Can anyone beat that? I also got a very kind letter apologizing and blathering vaguely about some kind of software glitch and saying I was among the very last to receive my stuff.

Nope? I win!!!!

I think i beat you.....

Just got my package today.

Very nice letter .computer glitch ..lots of coasters and bookmarks. FINALLY got my avatar....

I...Win....?

Are we done here? I think we're done here and can move on to the next adventure, yes?