A tiny, 2-week window "sometime soon" for the pledge manager is not reasonable at all.
It's even less reasonable without all of the model renders available.
It's just fething clownshoes.
It would be nice to have a summary of all the different "units" (or single models) with a single picture of the individual unit... rather than 40,000 pictures of a single unit.
JoeRugby wrote: Didn't they say they say, once the PM was open it would stay open till the last "wave"shipping?
So you could add more if you wanted/didn't have to put money on anything you hadn't seen?
Raging Heroes say a lot of things. At different times.
There's been a bit of recent speculation that they're a bit short of funds, so perhaps this ridiculously short window is to pressure/force an infusion of money? I know that if they don't feth me around with short deadlines and such, I'll be much more inclined to give them a LOT of money.
The shorter campaign may have also been a move by them to force people into jumping in with all they got now, instead of missing out. Though seeing as one can still pledge post campaign..
Asharah Raging We do have several minis that are not yet sculpted, or finished sculpting. They will be included in the Pledge Manager when we open it, and so backers will be able to choose them base on the concept art, but we completely understand that many backers prefer to see the sculpts and so, our plan is to reopen the Pledge Manager once the missing sculpts are done, so that people can add to their selection.
Even though they are saying they will reopen the pledge manager, I'm not liking this at all.
It's the same as the original campaign, but happening much, much faster.
I'm with Alpharius on this one. Although i plan on getting the Daughters of the Crucible, on top of the Knights of the Chalice, this is it. No more. Not a cent more. And if they are not differ'nt enough, I'll only get 5 of the KotC. They can take shipping out of my pledge.
I guess I should have checked into how their first Kickstarter went a bit more before I jumped into this one, didn't realize they liked to mess about quite this much.
Oh well, there are enough already rendered minis I like to use up my pledge, the extra I was going to put into this can go into the Twisted one instead (get myself some of those awesome Eygptians!)
The Pledge Manager is not yet opened, but normally, it will be open within the next 7 days! We will first collect your Shipping Fee, and then pass you along to the Pledge Manager. More details in upcoming Updates.
We have loads of image for this Update: •29 images for the Worm Riders •28 images for the Davidians •28 images for the SF Blood Vestals
Make sure you don't miss any! And once you've gone through them all, why not let us know which one is your favourite?
Worm Riders: Troops and Command Group (Lust Elves - F/SF)
As mentioned in our previous Update, the Worm Riders Command Group is now unlocked, so more Worm goodness for all!!
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Davidians: Troops and Command Group (Sisters - SF)
Blood Vestals: Troops and Command Group (Void Elves - SF)
I went through all of the thus-far-released renders and the corresponding concept art, and I'm joining the club for those regretting putting money into this one - at least as much as I did.
I'm primarily going to use these for RPG games, so not having more rank and file plain troops aren't as much of a problem to me as others. And I can for the most part deal with some of the gratuitous skin and boob-plate. I knew I was going to get that from RH, and since I had primarily planned to get elves it wasn't as big of a deal.
I just can't get over the heels.
Much of the art had smaller, more reasonable heels for the elves, and boots for the Sisters with a small heel. But the rampant 6+ inch (15+ cm) size heels across all the miniatures just puts me off to the range.
Spoiler:
These are two I were looking to get, but I don't want it to look like all that needs to be done to knock them over in a fight is to poke them with a long stick and knock them off balance.
I'm going to come out and say that I like the way the models look with heels. I knew that was what I was going to get with RH and am not surprised by how the minis look. I'm excited to see the calvary models next. My only regret is that they didn't unlock the Not Talos/Grotesques.
Update #47 – (Again, may not be SFW) – Incomplete Update - please refer to Update #49
Warning: More Naked Elves images below!
EDIT:
Well, Kickstarter decided to upgrade their interface just as I am preparing the new Update... And so, after much slowing down, it also broke several images that I was uploading, and when I went to Save, somehow it Published instead of Edit (although that could have been me, hard to say at this point), and so there you are, with a completely unfinished Update!
Grrrrrrrrrrrr!
I am sorry about this :( I will begin again and attempt to do it right this time.
Again, I am sorry for the inconvenience. Back soon. At least, this way, you'll be able to see directly the time it takes to upload images on a Kickstarter Update, even when everything is ready and written
Please refer to Update #49 for the full Update.
- Mireille
The Pledge Manager is not yet opened, but normally, it will be open within the next 6 days! We will first collect your Shipping Fee, and then pass you along to the Pledge Manager. More details in upcoming Updates.
We have loads of image for this Update: •xx images for the Death Dancers •xx images for the Blade Maidens •xx images for the Fantasy Blood Vestals
Make sure you see them all! And one more time, once you've gone through them all, why not let us know which one is your favourite?
Death Dancers: Troops and Command Group (Lust Elves - F/SF)
You may recall that we featured several Death Dancers in a previous Update. We have now finalised the entire unit, so here they all are:
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Blade Maidens: Troops and Command Group (Sisters - Fantasy)
{oh no, missing images}
Blood Vestals: Troops and Command Group (Dark Elves - Fantasy)
{nope the images for this didn't come through either}
Well that's it for now. More Troops again to show in an upcoming Update, so stay tuned...
And again, remember to contact us directly if you have any questions.
BrookM wrote: Huh. While dynamically posed troops is neat, it won't yield you much variety in the long run when building an army out of multiple boxed sets.
What are you talking about? Poses like these are perfectly normal for basic troops and won't look out of place at all:
the missing photos in a new, new, new update (don't you love KS messing about with things
Blade Maidens: Troops and Command Group (Sisters - Fantasy)
Blood Vestals: Troops and Command Group (Dark Elves - Fantasy)
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Automatically Appended Next Post: I'm happy enough with the blade maidens (high heels, and giant swords not withstanding), not as good as the davidians, but fun
Siygess wrote: Gosh darn it. Please tell me the window for late pledges has closed because as ridiculous as they are, I really like those Blade Maidens.
Nope, it is still open. You can still late pledge now.
It's really exactly as BrookM described it: they aren't making troops at all, they're simply making different levels of characters, with the 'troops' being characters and the named characters being... just more over the top characters.
The great irony is that instead of being a good source for making an alternate SoB armies, RH is now a great source for SoB heroes and unit leaders... but in desperate need for a different (less insane) company to make the actual troops for the armies.
I've already been using Blood Vestals both sci-fi and fantasy for counts as Wyches for my Dark Eldar. I will continue to do this. I actually have a problem. I like Wyches. I have since 3rd ed when they were good. I already have more Wyches then I can field in a 2000pt tournament. I can't help myself. If I see a model that would make a good counts as Wyche I get them or convert them. These will do nicely to add variety to the poses and sculpts that I have already. I'll probably get the Dividians and use them as Wyches also.
The Dark Elf/Lust Elf side of this campaign is going to flesh out my Dark Eldar, Dark Elf and Warriors of Chaos/Demon armies. I think I'm doing all right here. I may be in the minority, at least on the forums, but all of the models I was interested in during the KS still look great to me after seeing the renders.
I really don't see the problem with the super high intense posing. You knew you were going to get exactly this. The dancers are 100% exactly the same as the art work.
That really cannot be a point of criticism.
I do like the fact that the poses are super extreme for units like these.
Look at the sword maidens.. they are not so super extreme atall. They are rather tame when it comes to theirposes, are they not?
Ronin...they don't care. This thread was not made to be supportive of RH designs, their process or their company. This thread exists to find every real and imagined flaw and point them out.
BrookM wrote: I will say this though, as shocking as it may sound to some of the veterans of the first rodeo: I still want them to succeed. I really, honestly do. I likequiteafewoftheirmodels. If I like a model enough that I missed out on during the KS, I will gladly buy it from their own store instead.
However, just because I want something to succeed does not mean that I'm going to keep my gob shut and not point out what bothers me about something like some people show with some companies out there.
BrookM wrote: I will say this though, as shocking as it may sound to some of the veterans of the first rodeo: I still want them to succeed. I really, honestly do. I likequiteafewoftheirmodels. If I like a model enough that I missed out on during the KS, I will gladly buy it from their own store instead.
However, just because I want something to succeed does not mean that I'm going to keep my gob shut and not point out what bothers me about something like some people show with some companies out there.
So yes, I really don't care eh?
C'mon.Brook... You have to admit that there are people who exist on this thread whose sole purpose to be here is tell everyone about how much RH sucks. Obviously of course not everyone. But Ronins attempt to sway the masses with his observations is destined to be lawnmowered over by the majority who ...seem...to really want this company to fail. I wouldn't be surprised to see the black lips gif appear here again shortly.
The amount of posts about how much they suck vs the amount of post about how much people like what they see is incredibly lopsided. And not every response is well thought out or constructive. The vitriol here is not like in the past tgg thread but its still kinda here.
However..point made...you are excluded from my broad definition of "they"
I certainly wouldn't want them to fail, they make nice minis!
I have been disappointed by this Kickstarter though, as (IMO) the renders for a lot of the troop type minis haven't been as good as their original concept art.
So if/when they do a 3rd one, I'll wait for retail so I can have a good look at the final minis before handing any money over.
On a brighter note, I really like how the Blade Maidens have come out, going to get a set of them instead of both sets of Death Dancers
Buzzsaw wrote: It's really exactly as BrookM described it: they aren't making troops at all, they're simply making different levels of characters, with the 'troops' being characters and the named characters being... just more over the top characters.
The great irony is that instead of being a good source for making an alternate SoB armies, RH is now a great source for SoB heroes and unit leaders... but in desperate need for a different (less insane) company to make the actual troops for the armies.
Yes, exactly!
I think BrookM warned us of this a while back - or maybe it was in the other thread, RH TGG1?
Basically - don't buy multiple boxes of the same units to use as troops - they really won't look good at all, together on the table.
The mini's will look good, but you'll be stuck with a lot of the models looking the same. The dynamic poses (and lack of more mundane parts!) work against them in this case. If you're just building a squad for say, Kill-team or Combat Patrol, it will look neat and catch the eye for sure with the poses, over-abundance of special arms and whatnot. Building an entire army out of this though.. Hell, building a twenty strong squad was in itself a challenge!
Looking at the lust elves, the poses are neat and full of motion, they really are, but when you're building an army with multiple squads or a regiment of them, models like the one standing on her hair, or doing a hand stand are going to stand out when multiples are used. Sure, they are multi-part and you can swap parts, but still.. It is going to be noticeable that there are duplicates in the army. As mentioned before, the more extreme poses would be well served for unit champions / leaders and the like, leaving the rank and mass more mundane and less eye-catching.
However, that's just my opinion after all.
Though funny enough, going over the Toughest Girls of the Galaxy range.. troops are almost all dynamically posed, full of special snowflake options and whatnot, whereas a lot of the character blisters are for the most part quite static and more subdued in their presentation.
rayphoton wrote: Ronin...they don't care. This thread was not made to be supportive of RH designs, their process or their company. This thread exists to find every real and imagined flaw and point them out.
Just like the last thread.
Your a good man for holding the line though.
Don't talk such rot. I haven't seen anyone hoping for the demise or wanting them to fail. There's been plenty of criticism, snark and prickiing of the bubble of pretension. There's plenty to like here, but some of the poses are just ridiculous and there not enough basic rank and file to make an army out of them.
One of the best examples of what Alph and Brook are talking about comes from the last KS (which was actually better about this then the current campaign);
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Check out the tactical rock the second from the left is standing on in the group shot. As a hero or a single example, fine, whatever (honestly never a fan of the tactical rock, frankly). As a feature of every command for an army? Is the rock actually a standard issue?
Looking at the troop models from the first campaign to now, perhaps I'm missing some very clever points of articulation, but my impression is that the possibility of the models has dramatically decreased. The current crop is far more posed, and thus far less amenable to repetition.
Huh, another thing just came to mind as an observation: will it be possible to rank up the fantasy models of this KS, or are they too busy and "big" for their bases? I know Age of Sigmar did away with block shoving, but other fantasy rulesets still use ranked regiments as a gameplay mechanic.
RoninXiC wrote: The Rock is the Problem? Like that is an example that makes you go angry? That tiny little rock?
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Just kidding: my point (which seems self-evident) is that the more dynamic a pose, the closer the resulting figures are to being functionally monopose.
Serious question for you, would you rather have the troop models for your army be more monopose or less? Brook has quite convincingly pointed out that the dynamic poses make army building a problem. It's an interesting tension that RH seems to have very poorly understood, between restraint and expression. They simply don't seem to understand the utility of the mundane.
BrookM wrote: Huh, another thing just came to mind as an observation: will it be possible to rank up the fantasy models of this KS, or are they too busy and "big" for their bases? I know Age of Sigmar did away with block shoving, but other fantasy rulesets still use ranked regiments as a gameplay mechanic.
I was thinking about that myself: doesn't 9th Age* use blocks?
Like so many things, that seems to be... hmm, a practicality that they turn their noses up at.
It really depends on what you want out of this. I am excited to paint up rather cool looking minis, and I may even be able to use some of the heroes or monsters as proxies in KoW or (reaching a bit far) frostgrave. Hence, the more extreme the posing, the better for me. I never went into this thinking "these will be my proxies for grunt mundane units in big blocks". (Also, at least partially, as I am too cheap to by RH priced troops for mundane units)
The troops have little use to me but my girlfriend loves the Death Dancer lust elves and hence forces me to get both packs of those
VicVox wrote: It really depends on what you want out of this. I am excited to paint up rather cool looking minis, and I may even be able to use some of the heroes or monsters as proxies in KoW or (reaching a bit far) frostgrave. Hence, the more extreme the posing, the better for me. I never went into this thinking "these will be my proxies for grunt mundane units in big blocks". (Also, at least partially, as I am too cheap to by RH priced troops for mundane units)
The troops have little use to me but my girlfriend loves the Death Dancer lust elves and hence forces me to get both packs of those
That's a fine point, and one I (and Brook as well?) don't take issue with: the individual figures are fine. Personally I could see using any of the troops as second tier characters (generic characters).
What makes it weird is that in recent promos RH has been pushing their brand as makers of "proxies" specifically.
BrookM wrote:I know Age of Sigmar did away with block shoving, but other fantasy rulesets still use ranked regiments as a gameplay mechanic.
I'm actually using my Lust Elves for Kings of War, except with the intent of using regiment-basing so individual bases aren't a thing
Jimsolo wrote:The Death Dancers look awful. I can't even think of a constructive way to put that.
Personally I find the designs rather impressive, and really quite thematically strong for sinuous elf chicks that kill while dancing - and I'm all about the asymmetric multiple arms Unfortunately the very dynamism of the designs is a turn off for me as well, from a very functional standpoint. Like some have said, I couldn't really do beyond 10-15 of these chicks in an army (command + 2x basic maybe), because they're so unique. But I also really don't want to clean and build such crazy sculpts. Those multiple arms are awesome ... but cleaning and attaching them won't be
(Unfortunately now I find myself thinking of KOW units that could use 10-15 Dancers to fill out )
Alpharius wrote: The whole 'proxies for your armies' thing feels like a more recent push from them?
Were they not developing some kind of 'infinitely expandable' skirmish game in house? Or am I thinking of Titan Forge? (Or predicting similar from Puppets War?)
With regards to them stating they're a proxy company now and their own set of rules:
Yeah, the proxy thing was pushed to the fore not that long ago, which probably means that their own game(s) and fleshing out of their respective backgrounds is still quite some time off.
Plus, let's be fair here, most of the people pledged on this one or the previous one for the most part just to use the models as proxies for various different system projects.
Update #50 – (May not be SFW): Knights of the Chalice (Sisters - SF) + Vestal Riders (Dark Elves - F) + Flesh Eaters (Lust Elves - F)
Warning: Naked Elves images below!
The Pledge Manager is not yet opened, but normally, it will be open within the next 5 days! We will first collect your Shipping Fee, and then pass you along to the Pledge Manager. More details in upcoming Updates.
Many more images again for this Update: •27 images for the Knights of the Chalice •26 images for the Vestal Riders •24 images for the Flesh Eaters
Check them all out, and do let us know which one is your favourite!
Quick note: When we reviewed this update before publishing it, Nightwish's Ghost Love Score was playing in the background. Well, it does makes a rather fitting epic soundtrack for a rather epic update, so if you want to share the same experience, click on the link to hear it while you view the images
Knights of the Chalice (Sisters - SF)
This unit has 5 Knights in the Command Group and 5 more in the Troops box. We have now finished 6 our of those 10, and did not want to keep you waiting any longer, so here they are. The remaining 4 will soon be finalised.
Vestal Riders: Troops and Command Group (Dark Elves - F)
Flesh Eaters: Troops and Command Group (Lust Elves - F)
We still got more Troops to share with you, so continue to stay tuned, another Update is on its way soon!
And don't forget: do contact us directly if you have any questions.
rayphoton wrote: Ronin...they don't care. This thread was not made to be supportive of RH designs, their process or their company. This thread exists to find every real and imagined flaw and point them out.
Just like the last thread.
Your a good man for holding the line though.
Don't talk such rot. I haven't seen anyone hoping for the demise or wanting them to fail. There's been plenty of criticism, snark and prickiing of the bubble of pretension. There's plenty to like here, but some of the poses are just ridiculous and there not enough basic rank and file to make an army out of them.
Yeah. It's not that I want them to fail. I'm pretty satisfied with the majority of the way many of the models have been sculpted - from the ankle up.
You, and RH, can double down on on the idea that they are designing the miniatures based on their vision and process, but that doesn't mean people can't look at the results and say that they think design aspects are bad. In the same regard, I've had arguments with people saying that it's unfair to criticize the Star Wars prequals because they were Lucas's vision and how he wanted to make the movies.
I've liked a lot of the elves but wasn't going to get any, but those flesh eaters seem cool
(although not as nippley as most of the rest, aesthetic choice or a consequence of eating too much flesh? you decide)
and hopefully the knights of the chalice look sufficiently terminator-esque to please whoever was wondering about them a page or two back, although I wish the size comparison shot could be expanded as the heads seem larger than the normal ones (but surely they can't be, can they?)
I would like to see the Knights next to other miniatures in the render. It is hard to get a feel for the size. Currently by themselves the waist looks really small, compared to the unarmored miniatures... but that could be side by side, the size looks different.
Dark Severance wrote: I would like to see the Knights next to other miniatures in the render. It is hard to get a feel for the size. Currently by themselves the waist looks really small, compared to the unarmored miniatures... but that could be side by side, the size looks different.
It might be the models not being seen next to other, smaller ones, but even here they look pretty narrow at the waist.
Aside from that, I'm not the biggest fan of the oversized pauldrons, and feel that they could be 10%-20% smaller. But that's a personal preference. Other than those two things, they do look great. It makes me really wish there were fantasy armored Sisters without heels.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Liking the Flesh eaters overall for the most part as well. Not as much a fan of the excessive tits (not a fan of the overall style - prefer armor), but those really capture the disturbing and brutal look I enjoy.
Now if only they were actually standing flat instead of wearing invisible heels:
Heh, I was just thinking that I'm fine with the wrapped feet and standing on the balls of their feet look. I rather like them, though it never occurred to me that they were wrack proxies til someone said so, heh!
I played around with the pledge calculator yesterday, before these choppy shoe-less chicks landed, and basically discovered that I'm screwed and should just up my pledge level and get it over with
I broke down and got the full $175 pledge on the theory that I could probably sell many of the freebees and some of the optional stuff and cover most or maybe even all of my basic cost while keeping a couple of squads and characters. Much as I like smexy 28mm stuff, I just don't need that much of it. So now I have to figure out which units will sell best on ebay. Any guesses as to what the most popular aftermarket ones will be?
It looks to me like someone sculpted decent armour, and then someone else just added bewbs on top of it. (The not-terminators) If someone had really spent time designing such baroque suits of armour, I somehow think they'd have had to heart to make them look... better. More integrated, less tacked-on.
And agreed, the helmets are too reminescent of Dreamforge Valkir to really look sci-fi or plain original.
The Pledge Manager is not yet opened, but we are still tracking to open within the next 4 days or so! We will first collect your Shipping Fee, and then pass you along to the Pledge Manager. More details in upcoming Updates.
Many more images again for this Update: •41 images for the Mounted Knights (Sisters - F) •32 images for the Harpies (Dark Elves - F) •23 images for the Skinners (Lust Elves - SF)
Check them all out, and do keep on letting us know which one is your favourite!
Mounted Knights (Sisters - F)
Harpies (Dark Elves - F)
You will notice that the Harpies seem to be floating in the air... It's not because they've got some kind of anti-grav device, but rather, because we forgot to include the rock bases at their feet. So here's a sample of what they will look like. We'll get the rest of them so equipped as we prepare the sculpts for print.
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Skinners (Lust Elves - SF)
I really like the battle bard, and hope I can get her by herself,
and I'm not too sure what to do about the skinners, I prefer their heads, but the bodies of the fantasy versions
and the harpies are clearly involved in an interpretive dance battle, I like them, but I'm not sure I've got use for them bar one or two just to paint
Yea, I like the mounted knights a lot, but that lute player reminds me a little too much of a certain movie character... Which wouldn't be bad if I were not trying to imagine them as a serious unit
Also, why must all the horses buck? This is pretty much a repeat of the troops problem, with every horse bucking or whatever it's called in English, it makes the unit look very.. busy. What's wrong with normal, running horses? Or are they too boring to even contemplate?
The cavalry models look to me like they are a close rendition of the concept art. Is this this another case of no matter what RH does someone is not happy? I happen to like the heels and the cavalry models. I don't have any interest in the SOB stuff, I backed for the DE knock offs, but everything I've seen for both sci fi and fantasy is just as good or better then I expected from RH. Are the people that are dissatisfied with the way the models are turning out new to RH and how their stuff looks?
I think the bulk of the dissatisfaction, slk, stems from the cases where the renders have major changes from the concept art.
With the exception of the nuns, who I would have gotten if not for the change from sensible boots to ludicrous heels, the models I've expressed dislike for have been ones I never intended to get with my pledge anyway.
The problem with every horse bucking, with zero running or doing any other things, is that it kind of makes all of them too busy. If you have a unit two ranks deep say, the front row rearing up while the rider hacks down looks cool, but if the rear row is doing it too it looks a little odd. Plus it tends to make the unit look disordered and ill disciplined with them all bucking and rearing like that.
Again, cool for heroes and a few here and there, but too much otherwise. To make them good models for mass combat games (KoW, not Age of Sigmar) they need some less active, over the top models to go with them. I would really have preferred it if the troop box had more, well not sedate, but less crazy active models, while the command box had the really active crazy models. Then you could balance it out some.
Two of the horses are running... and two are not bucking but mid Jumping. Only two are actually bucking. Please keep.the facts straight.
I can't believe I'm forced to defend RH......
Wehrkind wrote: The problem with every horse bucking, with zero running or doing any other things, is that it kind of makes all of them too busy. If you have a unit two ranks deep say, the front row rearing up while the rider hacks down looks cool, but if the rear row is doing it too it looks a little odd. Plus it tends to make the unit look disordered and ill disciplined with them all bucking and rearing like that.
Again, cool for heroes and a few here and there, but too much otherwise. To make them good models for mass combat games (KoW, not Age of Sigmar) they need some less active, over the top models to go with them. I would really have preferred it if the troop box had more, well not sedate, but less crazy active models, while the command box had the really active crazy models. Then you could balance it out some.
RH does seem to have one speed: Action!
The not Terminators, for example, given their similarity with the Dreamforge Valkir kits, I could see using them as heroes/sergeants. But they are just so... much with the style. I know I keep beating the same horse, but those terminators would be fantastic if they had like 1 or 2 fewer features. It really does seem like there is no one willing to put the brakes on at any time in the RH artistic development office.
Update #52 – (May not be SFW): The Great Avatar of Shaah + 4 Lust Elves Heroines + the Hunters (Void Elves – SF) + What's Left?
Warning: New Naked Elves images below!
The Pledge Manager is not yet opened, but normally, it will open later this week! We will first collect your Shipping Fee, and then pass you along to the Pledge Manager. More details in upcoming Updates.
In this Update: •Avatar of Shaah (Lust Elves - SF) •Senshyrha, Slave Master (Lust Elves – SF) •Yscarloth, The Harvester of Flesh (Lust Elves – SF) •Senshyrha, Slave Master (Lust Elves – Fantasy) •Yscarloth, The Harvester of Flesh (Lust Elves – Fantasy) •The Hunters (Void Elves – SF) •What's left?
Check them all out, and do let us know which one is your favourite!
Avatar of Shaah (Lust Elves - SF)
During the campaign, we created a line-up to show you the size of each big miniatures compared to a human-sized one. When we looked at this chart again a few days ago to determine the size of the Avatar of Shaah, we thought that she absolutely deserved to be larger. So, in addition to the many Free upgrades and Bonus Unlocks we've made during this Kickstarter project, here's another gift for you: you are now getting a massive-sized Avatar of Shaah with no price increase.
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This is really a big gift indeed, because the final retail price will be much higher than originally priced. So if you're looking for an amazing model AND a great deal, this is it: Kickstarter price is and remains $65. Retail price was planned at $95, but will now be closer to $130-$150!!!
→ Yscarloth, The Harvester of Flesh (Lust Elves – SF)
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→ Senshyrha, Slave Master (Lust Elves – Fantasy)
→ Yscarloth, The Harvester of Flesh (Lust Elves – Fantasy)
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Hunters: Troops and Command Group (Void Elves – SF)
What's Left?
With all the images that we have been sharing with you, you may be wondering what is left to show you, so below is the list of the remaining sculpts. They are currently Work-in-Progress, but the team is hard at work on them, and these sculpts will soon be in upcoming Updates.
Heroines: •Sol-Sarya, Priestess of the Sun of Thorns (F and SF) •Templar Ela Seraqui, Demon Slayer (F and SF) •Centaur Heroine (F and SF) •Ascended Sister Erzebel, Great Seraphim (F/SF) •Varaseesh, The Venomous (F and SF)
Troops: •10 Long Swords Regular Troopers - Command Group and Troops •10 Executrix Regular Troopers - Command Group and Troops •Centaurs (F and SF) - Command Group and Troops •4 remaining Knights of the Chalice •Male Elves Bits (will be the last items to be done)
Monsters and Machines: •Draahk Chariot with Horses •Altar of the Succubi •War Pulpit
So watch for another Update coming soon!
Automatically Appended Next Post: The avatar looks really nice, either as a big thing for gaming which fits with the rest of their indian inspired dancing elves, or as a larger scale painting challenge
the hunters look really good for space elves players
At least at the original size it had a reasonable chance to fit in with the other stuff on the table.
Now it's just MASSIVE. Going to have to figure out what to use her for. Certainly looks cool. I almost wish there was a human sized equivalent so she could power up into her giant form when evil giant kaiju invade.
Worried about those giant arm blades with the thin upper arms. Hopefully it can hold itself together, but I know I'll be pinning it.
RoninXiC wrote: I really don't see the problem with the super high intense posing. You knew you were going to get exactly this. The dancers are 100% exactly the same as the art work.
That really cannot be a point of criticism.
I do like the fact that the poses are super extreme for units like these.
The problem (such as it is) would be that there are few to no "neutral" poses, so they're not great for making units. For me, it means that I'll buy single sets because they're cool models rather than multiples, because they won't work very well repeated within larger full units.
So if I buy fewer sets than I would have, is that a problem for me in the end, or for RH?
RoninXiC wrote: I really don't see the problem with the super high intense posing. You knew you were going to get exactly this. The dancers are 100% exactly the same as the art work.
That really cannot be a point of criticism.
I do like the fact that the poses are super extreme for units like these.
The problem (such as it is) would be that there are few to no "neutral" poses, so they're not great for making units. For me, it means that I'll buy single sets because they're cool models rather than multiples, because they won't work very well repeated within larger full units.
So if I buy fewer sets than I would have, is that a problem for me in the end, or for RH?
Kinda hard to say. not everyone feels that way. So by appeasing your need for a static unit you might lose people who want something more dynamic like me. Then...is that then my problem..or RH?
Taste is subjective...and you can't make everyone happy...as previously noted time and time again here.
Take the whole prodoss example. I didn't buy any of the new miniatures because they went the new pg13 route and those type of minis are something I have loads of. They lost that sale cause I don't like the new direction...But there are those who bought them because of the new direction. So that is and is not their problem.
RoninXiC wrote: I really don't see the problem with the super high intense posing. You knew you were going to get exactly this. The dancers are 100% exactly the same as the art work.
That really cannot be a point of criticism.
I do like the fact that the poses are super extreme for units like these.
The problem (such as it is) would be that there are few to no "neutral" poses, so they're not great for making units. For me, it means that I'll buy single sets because they're cool models rather than multiples, because they won't work very well repeated within larger full units.
So if I buy fewer sets than I would have, is that a problem for me in the end, or for RH?
Kinda hard to say. not everyone feels that way. So by appeasing your need for a static unit you might lose people who want something more dynamic like me. Then...is that then my problem..or RH?
Taste is subjective...and you can't make everyone happy...as previously noted time and time again here.
Take the whole prodoss example. I didn't buy any of the new miniatures because they went the new pg13 route and those type of minis are something I have loads of. They lost that sale cause I don't like the new direction...But there are those who bought them because of the new direction. So that is and is not their problem.
That seems to be a slight misinterpretation of what Az is saying: it's not a matter of aesthetic dislike, but that they are no longer suitable for a particular purpose.
Imagine that price was no object: would you use GW character models (say, a jump chaplain) to make entire units? Perhaps you might, if you found it amusing. But it would be objectively true that such a unit would suffer from repetition, from an (let's call it) overwhelming amount of detail.
As a commercial matter it's worth pointing out that there are ideas that seem fine in principle that simply don't translate to practice. The amount of detail that people can take in, or perhaps better, want to take in, is one of them. As Brook mentioned, this 'detail overload' is something that one can't really appreciate until you have the models on the table in front of you. There is a burgeoning field of 'decluttering', and this is related to that.
But what about the chaos marines from the DV box set. They all "suffer" from an abundance of detail bits and bobs and this complaint was never raised about them. Mostly it was "wow those are so cool I wish all chaos minis looked like these badasses"
Or the new Eldar harlequins that are bursting with actiony goodness
Admittedly I maybe the wrong person to argue this. I recently completed a set of marines that are festooned with gear.bags and weapons. I like my marines (and other minis) to be ...well equipped and gung ho.
It just seems like like alot of people here are looking for any reason to dislike these. Like the one guy who said all the horses are bucking.when its only 2.
However...aesthetics and taste are wildly subjective. If other people say they are too busy ..then I will believe that that is what they believe and their opinion is as justified as mine. I for one like them quite a bit.
But what about the chaos marines from the DV box set. They all "suffer" from an abundance of detail bits and bobs and this complaint was never raised about them. Mostly it was "wow those are so cool I wish all chaos minis looked like these badasses"
Or the new Eldar harlequins that are bursting with actiony goodness
Admittedly I maybe the wrong person to argue this. I recently completed a set of marines that are festooned with gear.bags and weapons. I like my marines (and other minis) to be ...well equipped and gung ho.
It just seems like like alot of people here are looking for any reason to dislike these. Like the one guy who said all the horses are bucking.when its only 2.
However...aesthetics and taste are wildly subjective. If other people say they are too busy ..then I will believe that that is what they believe and their opinion is as justified as mine. I for one like them quite a bit.
It's not about the amount of details or bling, it's about the posing. Imagine all your models were doing the same backflip that looks great on one model. It'd probably look really silly if your entire army did that.
Oh - and detail BITS are entirely optional, your choice to glue them on or not. Not so much with monopose, you'd have to cut up the model and use greenstuff etc.
Jimsolo wrote: If I'm being charitable, I'd guess she got bigger to increase stability and fine detail fidelity.
If I'm being suspicious, I'd guess it's because they want to justify the price increase and goad people into upping their pledges.
I believe they said that the cost to pledgers was unchanged (so a larger model at the same cost). The cost to people who wait to buy retail, however...
Ah, is that what you meant? Encourage people to pledge rather than wait for retail?
That's what they also did during the previous campaign, though back then it was a lot of unknown unknowns involved, though if you're a veteran of the first campaign and have had some of their mini's before you should have a good idea of what you're pledging for and what you'll get.
Jimsolo wrote: If I'm being charitable, I'd guess she got bigger to increase stability and fine detail fidelity.
If I'm being suspicious, I'd guess it's because they want to justify the price increase and goad people into upping their pledges.
I believe they said that the cost to pledgers was unchanged (so a larger model at the same cost). The cost to people who wait to buy retail, however...
Ah, is that what you meant? Encourage people to pledge rather than wait for retail?
The problem (such as it is) would be that there are few to no "neutral" poses, so they're not great for making units. For me, it means that I'll buy single sets because they're cool models rather than multiples, because they won't work very well repeated within larger full units.
So if I buy fewer sets than I would have, is that a problem for me in the end, or for RH?
Kinda hard to say. not everyone feels that way. So by appeasing your need for a static unit you might lose people who want something more dynamic like me. Then...is that then my problem..or RH?
Taste is subjective...and you can't make everyone happy...as previously noted time and time again here.
Of course. But still.. like many people here, it's not that I won't be buying, just that I'll be buying 1x of the various units rather than many-x. I'm down for a very respectable chunk of cash here. so it's not like I dislike their models or aesthetic. It's that I'd like the troopers to be less extravagant so I could make units of them rather then buy 1 set of them (and the heroes) both to be champion-types for other units.
But what about the chaos marines from the DV box set. They all "suffer" from an abundance of detail bits and bobs and this complaint was never raised about them. Mostly it was "wow those are so cool I wish all chaos minis looked like these badasses"
Or the new Eldar harlequins that are bursting with actiony goodness
For me, it's not about details and gear, but repetition of figures in poses that will look ...odd on the table. It would be less of an issue with "variant" style figures, such as what GW used to put out when they had a large metal range, of, say, Harlequins. And again, less of an issue to an extent with crazy poses in small 40k units as opposed to larger "fantasy battle" type units.
Hopefully that helps to clarify at least my own perspective for you.
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Jehan-reznor wrote: I like what they are doing, loving the heels, the poses, the tiny waists, hit me with your vitriol!
RoninXiC wrote: I really don't see the problem with the super high intense posing. You knew you were going to get exactly this. The dancers are 100% exactly the same as the art work.
That really cannot be a point of criticism.
I do like the fact that the poses are super extreme for units like these.
The problem (such as it is) would be that there are few to no "neutral" poses, so they're not great for making units. For me, it means that I'll buy single sets because they're cool models rather than multiples, because they won't work very well repeated within larger full units.
So if I buy fewer sets than I would have, is that a problem for me in the end, or for RH?
Yup, some of the models like sgt's capt's doing cool stuff in 'heroic' poses is cool. A whole army doing back flips and standing on one foot while pointing is just asinine.
Some of the models have me going hummm....but as one off pieces or as diorama fodder. I think a whole army of lust elves or the not-sisters knock offs would look good ascetic wise (minus the heel's on the non-sisters) but not with the poses RH has chosen.
For me, it's not about details and gear, but repetition of figures in poses that will look ...odd on the table. It would be less of an issue with "variant" style figures, such as what GW used to put out when they had a large metal range, of, say, Harlequins. And again, less of an issue to an extent with crazy poses in small 40k units as opposed to larger "fantasy battle" type units.
Hopefully that helps to clarify at least my own perspective for you.
Perspective gained and point well made. I tend to treat each miniature as it s own unique model so I do tend to have slightly different take on them all. I also don't do fantasy war gaming....so I've never dealt with blocks of troops.
Does these minis work better for the new AOS then?
Perspective gained and point well made. I tend to treat each miniature as it s own unique model so I do tend to have slightly different take on them all. I also don't do fantasy war gaming....so I've never dealt with blocks of troops.
Does these minis work better for the new AOS then?
I imagine so because skirmish, though it would depend on how large a unit people play with (I haven't played AoS at this point). You probably wouldn't want more than 2 of each crazay pose, though - similar to 40k.
The Pledge Manager has not yet opened, but we're almost there... As usual, last minute bugs and creative challenges have cropped up, but we're clearing them out one by one.
While I am still sorting the remaining details, the sculpting team is hard at work finishing everything that's left, so that the Pledge Manager can feature all the sculpts before it closes.
The foundry has been sending us huge boxes full of TGG2 miniatures. And the packing crew has already begun packing the Freebies boxes for you, so that we can begin shipping them as soon as you'll have completed your Pledge Manager! Here's a picture of some of the Freebies boxes awaiting shipment. We are running out of space and had to temporarily stock them in the kitchen/meeting room. (Forgive the low light, I just took the picture now and it's past midnight.)
Also, good news: we will have a new Update later tomorrow, featuring the following sculpts: •The Long Swords – Troops and Command Group (Dark Elves – Fantasy) •Sol-Sarya, Priestess of the Sun of Thorns (Sisters – Fantasy) •Sol-Sarya, Priestess of the Sun of Thorns (Sisters – SF) •Templar Ela Seraqui, Demon Slayer (Sisters – Fantasy) •Templar Ela Seraqui, Demon Slayer (Sisters – SF) •The Executrix Troops – Troops and Command Group (Void Elves – SF)
Right after that, we are planning to finish •The Centaurs – Troops and Command Group (Lust Elves Fantasy) •The Centaurs – Troops and Command Group (Lust Elves SF) •The Centaur Heroine (Lust Elves – Fantasy) •The Centaur Heroine (Lust Elves – SF) •Ascended Sister Erzebel, Great Seraphim (Sisters – F/SF) •Varaseesh, The Venomous (Lust Elves – Fantasy) •Varaseesh, The Venomous (Lust Elves – SF)
They are moving swiftly, and we'll do all that we can to share them with you by the end of the week, if we can.
After that, the last 2 miniatures to finish will be •The Altar of the Succubi (Dark Elves – Fantasy) •War Pulpit (Sisters – SF)
We've already began work on them, and things are moving well right now.
And so we are almost there! Thanks for your patience, support and understanding guys!!!
Been waiting this entire campaign just to see a render of the Varaseesh model they have. It's half the reason I bought into this aside from the awesome Archpapess.
Miniatures games tend to be severely lacking in Medusa-looking models in general.
Still disappointed that the Icariates have no option to come with angel wings and instead have aCathedral's Flying Buttress on their butts.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: That Chariot's rider has the worse-designed butt ever. Unless that is a thick rebar of a thong, I am not digging it at all.
You may not be, but that thick rebar thong is certainly digging it.
Update #54 – Draahk Chariot with Horses + Long Swords + Executrix + More Heroines
FYI: The Pledge Manager is not yet opened, but it won't be long now. Pledge Manager details will be shared in an upcoming Update.
In this Update, we've got loads of images again.
Make sure your e-mail message is not cut off before you see them all.
By the way, nobody at the office like the name Ela Seraqui, so we decided to change it, and our Templar Demon Slayer is now called Mona de Costemore.
We'll start this model, which I forgot to mention yesterday:
•Draahk Chariot with Horses (Dark Elves – Fantasy)
followed by
•The Long Swords – Troops and Command Group (Dark Elves – Fantasy)
•Sol-Sarya, Priestess of the Sun of Thorns (Sisters – SF)
•Templar Mona de Costemore (formerly Templar Ela Seraqui), Demon Slayer (Sisters – SF)
•Sol-Sarya, Priestess of the Sun of Thorns (Sisters – Fantasy)
•Templar Mona de Costemore (formerly Templar Ela Seraqui), Demon Slayer (Sisters – Fantasy)
•The Executrix – Troops and Command Group (Void Elves – SF)
Draahk Chariot with Horses (Dark Elves – Fantasy)
The Long Swords – Troops and Command Group (Dark Elves – Fantasy)
Heroines
The Executrix – Troops and Command Group (Void Elves – SF)
I'm just curious to know if there will be yet another KS campaign for new minis going forward, or are they going to revert to more classical sales channels?
And as for Monsters and Machines, we only have the War Pulpit and the Altar of the Succubi to finish and they are moving well, so we expect to be able to share them with you in a few days, while the Pledge Manager is still open.
This Update features:
The Centaurs – Troops and Command Group (Lust Elves - SF)
The Centaurs – Troops and Command Group (Lust Elves - Fantasy)
Keshyrii, Centaur Heroine (Lust Elves – Fantasy)
Keshyrii, Centaur Heroine (Lust Elves – SF)
Varaseesh, The Venomous (Lust Elves - Fantasy)
Varaseesh, The Venomous (Lust Elves - SF)
Ascended Sister Erzebel, Great Seraphim (Sisters – F/SF)
Well, that's it for now. The Pledge Manager is opening this week, so watch for our next Update, which will provide all the details!
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That Varasheesh is infinitely disappointing. I was really hoping for something like the concept art with a creepy humanoid figure hidden behind snakes. Instead, it's another naked lady with some snakes. The render itself has significantly less snakes on the front in order to make way for tits and belly. It's really disappointing.
At least that's yet another thing I won't be getting. Saves money for something else.
Not at all. It has an exposed face, exposed breasts, exposed belly, and the fantasy version has an exposed face. The concept art has snakes everywhere and the face covered.
The concept Varaseesh is creepy and imposing. She's almost emaciated and presenting a snake to the camera.
The render looks like a stripper that's trying to shake off all these snakes. Also tits.
Absolutionis wrote: The concept Varaseesh is creepy and imposing. She's almost emaciated and presenting a snake to the camera.
The render looks like a stripper that's trying to shake off all these snakes. Also tits.
*shrug* I wasn't too thrilled by the concept art, and am equally pretty meh about the render. The most attractive thing about her is probably her price tag (the cheapest Lust Elf IIRC), but then I'm over pledged anyway.
Centaurs turned out even crazier than the art suggested! If a bit more dynamic than I'd have liked - but that's like the theme of this KS Was talking to my brother about TGG2, and he figured he might go with the centaurs simply because they're one of the more unique designs in the KS. Don't think he'll be disappointed
Boss Salvage wrote: *shrug* I wasn't too thrilled by the concept art, and am equally pretty meh about the render. The most attractive thing about her is probably her price tag (the cheapest Lust Elf IIRC), but then I'm over pledged anyway.
That's the bigger disappointment, in a way. Nobody seems to have cared about the model before or after the reveal. It had the potential to be interesting and ended up completely mediocre. I feel like I was the only one that cared about that one model, and now nobody but pokemon-collectors is going to buy it.
There really aren't any Medusa/Gorgon miniatures anywhere that aren't all about giant strippertits.
The Centaurs were going to be one of my go-to picks, but as they are, they look unusable.
Message to RH wrote:]Hello,
Sorry to bother you. I've been really excited to see all the new renders. While some of them have been wonderful, and have even convinced me to select models I might have not been interested in earlier (the cavalry in particular!) others have been less delightful. For the most part, those were miniatures I hadn't been interested in anyway, so I wasn't too worked up.
However, the centaurs concern me greatly. They were one of the primary reasons I backed, and the renders that were released today show a couple of worrisome problems. If printed as shown, they appear like they would never be able to stand up without falling over, and that those which could stand up would have all their weight on only one or two very fragile contact points.
The centaurs, as designed, have eight potential contact points (two for each torso's hands) plus the tail in a pinch. When a third or less of the contact points are being used for a pose, it makes the model look dangerously fragile/unstable.
I would like these miniatures, but I'm afraid they'd be useless to me because I could never put them on a tabletop. Has this already been accounted for? Or is there time to make any adjustments? (In most cases it seems like one of the leg-arms could be easily repositioned to give an extra contact point and some much needed stability.)
I'd love to hear more about this before the pledge manager goes live. Thanks for all your time and hard work.
Jim
Do you guys think I'm off-base?
Side note: the sci-fi medusa looks awful, but the fantasy one is definitely a must-take for me.
The Centaurs were going to be one of my go-to picks, but as they are, they look unusable.
Message to RH wrote:]Hello,
Sorry to bother you. I've been really excited to see all the new renders. While some of them have been wonderful, and have even convinced me to select models I might have not been interested in earlier (the cavalry in particular!) others have been less delightful. For the most part, those were miniatures I hadn't been interested in anyway, so I wasn't too worked up.
However, the centaurs concern me greatly. They were one of the primary reasons I backed, and the renders that were released today show a couple of worrisome problems. If printed as shown, they appear like they would never be able to stand up without falling over, and that those which could stand up would have all their weight on only one or two very fragile contact points.
The centaurs, as designed, have eight potential contact points (two for each torso's hands) plus the tail in a pinch. When a third or less of the contact points are being used for a pose, it makes the model look dangerously fragile/unstable.
I would like these miniatures, but I'm afraid they'd be useless to me because I could never put them on a tabletop. Has this already been accounted for? Or is there time to make any adjustments? (In most cases it seems like one of the leg-arms could be easily repositioned to give an extra contact point and some much needed stability.)
I'd love to hear more about this before the pledge manager goes live. Thanks for all your time and hard work.
Jim
Do you guys think I'm off-base?
Side note: the sci-fi medusa looks awful, but the fantasy one is definitely a must-take for me.
given that they are in the TGG resin analogue I don't see that they're going to be too fragile for gaming (it's pretty solid and I've not had any breakages with the single foot contact points of many of the 1st KS minis although I have managed to knock a couple off their bases which is actually and advantage of superglue rather than pining in this case, it gives before the leg)
and I don't think the weight will make them top heavy as long as a decent sized base is used with them
but I agree that the leg/arms look fragile even if they're not which is one of the reasons I've never been interested in them (and would have chosen to fuse both arms together with the head/sholders to give a more solid look, but from the concept art that wasn't what they wanted, they want them to look wrong)
Boss Salvage wrote:Was talking to my brother about TGG2, and he figured he might go with the centaurs simply because they're one of the more unique designs in the KS. Don't think he'll be disappointed
Jimsolo wrote:The Centaurs were going to be one of my go-to picks, but as they are, they look unusable.
So my bro texted me when he saw the centaur renders: "Wo. Have you seen those centaurs? They are crazy, can you even build them with those poses"
New update is out. Short version: pay your shipping fee to get access to the Pledge Manager.
Seems to be a needlessly complex setup, given that you have the ability to pay for extras within the Pledge Manager, so why pay the shipping fee separately?
i'm guessing that since they're using their webstore as the PM with it still being accessable to normal shoppers for the non KS stuff that it can't handle KS shipping prices and real world shipping prices at the same time
Tannhauser42 wrote: New update is out. Short version: pay your shipping fee to get access to the Pledge Manager.
Seems to be a needlessly complex setup, given that you have the ability to pay for extras within the Pledge Manager, so why pay the shipping fee separately?
My guess is to ensure that people aren't able to pay shipping with the money they put into the kickstarter.
Which is annoying, especially since I put in an extra $15 to my KS to budget a little money towards shipping and I'm not liking too many of the models.
Tannhauser42 wrote: New update is out. Short version: pay your shipping fee to get access to the Pledge Manager.
Seems to be a needlessly complex setup, given that you have the ability to pay for extras within the Pledge Manager, so why pay the shipping fee separately?
My guess is to ensure that people aren't able to pay shipping with the money they put into the kickstarter.
Which is annoying, especially since I put in an extra $15 to my KS to budget a little money towards shipping and I'm not liking too many of the models.
Same here - I am only in at the $15 level now, I don't really like how many minis turned out, I won't be buying much more anyway - and $25 shipping for a few minis?
RH might just be getting to keep my $15 (minus KS feees) and...that's it.
Yeah, 13$ extra out of nowhere was annoying. I wish they had been more upfront about it. To properly express my annoyance, I added “Can I haz cheezburger?Jeu peu avouar in chizburgeur?” to the special instruction field. Serves them well!
I bought the shipping, but aside from address or email, there doesn't seem to be any way of linking your bought shipping and Kickstarter account/pledge.
Are they going to cross-reference all addresses/emails with shipping? That seems like excessive manpower.
I wonder if they remembered the promise to the backers of TGG1, couldn't remember if I was losing my mind so had to backtrack through the updates.
'UPDATE #105 – Shipping Update + TGG2 Kickstarter FINAL HOURS + Videos + WereSheWolves 3D Prints'
'Since you are a TGG backer, 1 additional free heroine of your choice to choose amongst our TGG2 Kickstarter specially priced $10 Heroines (this will added in at Pledge Manager time)'
So happy they're not US based... $25 shipping is almost blissfully good by comparison. With the average US kickstarter i'd have to sell organs to afford the shipping fees.
Heck, even 25 for US shipping isn't too bad considering it's going to consist of two shipments, and I know I'll certainly have a fair amount of figures coming. That Avatar alone...
Wasn't there something in the email about people ordering single figures getting a partial refund?
edit:
Yeah, here it is.
→ I just want One Heroine. Why is my shipping so high? If you end up getting only one Heroine, you still need to pay for your full shipping fee. However, once your miniature has shipped, we will refund you 50% of your shipping fee.
I do hope it doesn't consist of two shipments for those of us getting a smaller amount of minis. I'm looking at getting about 20, if that, and I would much rather they wait until everything is completed. I don't mind another six months, in fact. Almost none of my heroines from TGG1 have seen passed the primer stage at this point. I really only want troops. Running, dynamic, jazz hands troops.
Well I didn't get an email telling me the pledge manager had opened, but i was able to go to their site, hit "reset my password" and get into the pledge manager that way. It had all my store credit and shipping credit and everything, was all ready to go.
put in your KS email address then hit forgot password
they'll email you a reset link fill it in and you're in the PM store
(unless you have used different email addresses for KS and the paypal you paid the shipping with, in which case it looks like a fair few people haven't got it yet in which case the need to chase them up)
update 104 of the original TTG project said
pledges of Lieutenant and above in TTG2 would qualify for a free $10 (KS price) heroine as a reward for backing both projects
it's not clear if this extra $10 credit has been added to peoples accounts (I suspect it has) or if you have to ask for something in the comments on checkout, or if they've forgotten (probably not)
I've emailed them to ask
Also be aware that a few of the images are apparently switched between command and troops so if you only want one or the other make sure you order based on the TEXT not the pretty picture
People have been stating that they got access to the pledge manager even without getting any email.
Personally, I was unable to login, complained in the chat service they had, and they said it'll be fixed by tomorrow. Rather annoying that they're shipping first-come-first-served and people are still running into these problems.
Freebies
SF Centaurs
SF Centaurs Command Group
SF Blood Vestals
SF Blood Vestals Command Group
SF Executrix Troopers
SF Executrix Command Group
SF Void Elf Hunters
SF Void Elf Hunters Command Group
SF Skinners
SF Skinners Command
SF Shiveryah, Sorceress
Mantis Warriors x2
Mantis Warrios Command x2
Avatar of Shaah
F Varaseesh the Venemous
F Flesh Eaters
F Flesh Eaters Command
Total: $395
My credit did NOT include the free heroine (or extra $10) for being a TGG1 backer.
I got my selection all squared away last night. Didn't get that giant Totally-Not-Slaanesh-Keeper-of-Secrets model, even though I really wanted it. I pledged at the Lt. level, so getting her was half of my money, right there. I picked up harpies (for my Beastmen army) and some Lust Elves and a few Sisters models. I mostly went for troops, since the freebie reward is a sackfull of hero models. I also picked up that nice lady riding a manticore. I know it wasn't part of the Kickstarter, but they offered her to me at a discount, so I couldn't say no.
And now begins the long wait. By the time they arrive, I'll probably have forgotten they are coming to me.
squidhills wrote: And now begins the long wait. By the time they arrive, I'll probably have forgotten they are coming to me.
Amen.
I was waiting for an email as well, until I saw peeps on FB talking about requesting a forgotten password and getting in that way. Got in and summoned about 1800 points of next year's KOW army
Breotan wrote: It's been so long I forgot what I wanted. :(
Same here!
It has also been long enough that I'm also 95% sure that I don't really want anything, and that I don't even play the game I intended to use these for anyway, so...
...enjoy my $15 donation the the Artist's Commune known as Raging Heroes, Raging Heroes.
I too have no idea what I was originally looking for. Other than a replacement for the terrible GW Sister Dialogus figure.
This happened to me during TGG1 as well. I originally liked the Iron Empire, what I actually pledged for and received was Kurganovas, and by the time I got them I wanted (and could have used) Jailbirds.
So... the PM is open now? I was waiting for an email as well. Have they even said when it "opened" or will close? This ties in perfectly with their 2-week open window, eh?
What a cluster-gak... I upped my pledge during the open-period post KS by hundreds of dollars.... Somehow doing so confused them and they have linked my original KS pledge of $15 and my shipping fee to my KS email address, and the bulk of my funds to my wife's Paypal which wasn't given access to the KS.
So much for trying to enjoy the first-come-first-serve... and getting my pledge locked in smoothly.
Blegh... not the best handled Pledge-Manager and shipping payment method... in fact, maybe the worst.
Works fine for me. Though I realize it would be better to switch my not-Terminator command squad (not so fan of them) for the sisters cavalry (they look good!), but no can do because 3$ short.
Maybe I should try to find people nearby to make exchanges with?
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Works fine for me. Though I realize it would be better to switch my not-Terminator command squad (not so fan of them) for the sisters cavalry (they look good!), but no can do because 3$ short.
Maybe I should try to find people nearby to make exchanges with?
If you go over the amount of credit they have they just bill you for the extra. I had to pay like an extra $7 for my selection - easily done, no big deal.
i have pledged these
Avatar of Shaah - 65USD
Yscarloth - 28USD
Knights of the Chalice Command - 22USD
Knights of the Chalice Troopers - 24USD
Daughters of the Crucible Command - 22USD
Regular Sisters Troopers - 15USD
Regular Sisters Command - 16USD
Sister Trematta - 10USD
Templar ela Seraqui - 10USD
Sister Reyallia - 10USD
Sister Erya - 15USD (NOTE: This mini was not unlocked. Changed to mother superior)
Sol Sarya - 10USD
As I predicted, I pledged under my old email, and even though I contacted them during TGG1 to change the email, the new isn't in their computers. So I don't have access to the PM. Nice.
A tremendous amount of problems seem to be due to email mismatch.
My KS is on my "casual" email address while my PayPal is on my "professional" email address. Took them two days to match them up properly. On the bright side, everything was resolved via live chat; remember that they seem to work on French time and only operate on morning/afternoon NA time.
Micky wrote: Ended up getting almost 100 models for my KoW project, mostly lots of troops.
The password reset trick worked perfectly.
Were you able to pay for shipping from your KS funds?
Yup, all worked without a hitch.
I got nothing. If you were a TGG1 backer that might be it. Or if you used PayPal after the KS campaign for something.
I dunno otherwise. I'm not too excited about having to put an additional $25 into this, especially putting an extra $15 during the KS to help cover shipping.
So, after ordering my not-Sisters - does anyone have a suggestion as to where I could find some kind of flamethrower - either lighter or heavier than the one from the KS - to kit my troops out with Heavy Flamer/Flamer?
For financial reasons I can't follow up with my Kickstarter order of TGG2 minis. I contacted them and they told me if anyone would be willing to re-buy my 275$ pledge they would help with the process.
Send me a pm if you're interested, I'll make you a deal!
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Works fine for me. Though I realize it would be better to switch my not-Terminator command squad (not so fan of them) for the sisters cavalry (they look good!), but no can do because 3$ short.
Maybe I should try to find people nearby to make exchanges with?
If you go over the amount of credit they have they just bill you for the extra. I had to pay like an extra $7 for my selection - easily done, no big deal.
I've finally gotten a response from someone trying to fix my pledge access, and as Alph said... its another case of anything that split email addresses for any reason absolutely borked the way the pledge-manager access was doled out.
I still have my funds split between two accounts right now, and oddly, neither will even let me check-out via Paypal, just giving me error messages.
Their pledge manager solution is a bit buggy and seems labour-intensive to fix. If you have a setup exactly as they envisage (pretty much one email address) then it seems to be mostly working fine. Anything outside that runs the risk of things falling over. My Kickstarter email and PayPal emails are different but somehow they linked the two without a hitch. No idea how.
Oh man... I just resolved things and got my order in, but the customer service individual confirmed something crazy to me...
They claim they're filling orders as they come, and producing them that way too. So rather than wait to get a mountain of say Sci-Fi Sister Troop squads produced... they're spinning up orders as they want to fill them.
So if true, get your orders locked in SOON, as she's saying they're spinning resin on a customer by customer basis... YIKES.
I have ~200 store credits and if I get everything I want it would be around 400.
So what do I really need to build a SoB army.
For basic Troops I should have enough TGG1 models here, so only Elite but it is still too much
(ok, maybe the 4 units of Icariates and 4 packs of Angel wings together with 8 single heavy weapons keep the price up....)
I have for my inquisition army:
The main inquisitrix, the archpapess: (1 x Arthenya VI The Archpapess )
5 acolytes: ( 5 Daughters of the Crucible - All Stars Troopers )
A Deamonhost: (Santa Dolores, The Lady of Sorrow, Psychic Seer )
The Oracle from the freebies is going to be a Mystic.
And the battle sisters contingent to go with it:
A Canonness (Augusta, The Mother Superior )
Saint-Celestine (Ascended Sister Erzebel, Great Seraphim)
10 Seraphim (Icariates - Command Group and Icariates - Troopers)
2 squads of Sisters
1 squad of Retribitors
(the squad of sisters are made of the pieces from 3 Sisters Regular Troopers - Command Group and 2 Sisters Regular Troopers - Troopers)
In the freebies there is the expiatrix, who is going to lead my little squad of repentia (that I already have....)
And for my Chaos Deamons army (because all of those goody-two-shoes sisters need something wicked to fight...)
Slaanesh deamon prince (Mahleezariah, Lust Elves Matriarch)
Greater Deamon of Slaanesh (Avatar of Shaah) That I'll likely run as the greater deamon from forgeworld...
The freebies give me the deathdancer who is going to make for a gorgeour herald of slaanesh!
And now, I wait, and I paint my TGG1 miniatures...
1 x The Huntress (Sisters - SF)
1 x Ascended Sister Erzebel, Great Seraphim (Sisters - F/SF)
1 x Templar Mona de Costemore, Demon Slayer (Sisters - SF)
1 x 5 Daughters of the Crucible - All Stars Troopers (Sisters - SF)
1 x 5 Icariates - Command Group (Sisters - SF)
1 x 5 Icariates - Troopers (Sisters - SF)
1 x 5 Sisters Regular Troopers - Command Group (Sisters - SF)
1 x 5 Sisters Regular Troopers - Troopers (Sisters - SF)
1 x 5 Davidians - Troopers (Sisters - SF)
1 x 5 Davidians - Command Group (Sisters - SF)
Just finished my order. All SF Sisters. Enough to run an SoB army of Celestine, Canoness in command squad, celestian squad, 4-5 battle sister squads (10 each), repentia squad, seraphim squad. Now I just need to pick up about half a dozen Rhinos for cheap.
Breotan wrote: Okay. I ordered some Void Elves to use as Sucubbi for my Dark Eldar and a bunch of not-Sisters to... paint, I guess.
Probably won't be supporting any future KS from these guys, which is sad but that's what happens when things take so long.
Trust is old TGG1 hands when I say this KS was super fast, and that updates were aplenty. They actually do seem to have learned something from their first campaign, as much as it pains me to say so.
I have no equivalent Slaaneshi Chaos stuff. I was getting mostly sisters stuff too...
Help me Dakka, you're my only hope!
Run it as an extreme course hazard for a scenario where two armies are fighting while trying not to get mullered by an automated NPC that has some monstrous stats to match the model.
This KS seemed to be aiming to supply 3rd party minis for 40k factions which have few to none available.
If they follow that trend, then 2-3 of Eldar/Tau/Necrons.
The first one supplied female minis for a faction which has TONS of 3rd party support. If they swing back that way, it'll be Space Marines/CSM and maybe Orks.
Either way, I'll probably have forgotten my displeasure in this KS, and back it as well...
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Quite curious to see what Raging Heroes do to follow this up, regardless of whether it fulfills as quickly as it seems it can...
TGG3: The Machine and Flesh Scifi and Fantasy High Elves/Eldar
Waifu Tyranids
Waifu Necrons
If they did that right they could function as both Mechanicum as well as Necron stand ins.
Plus they could probably finish off their last few big mechanical void elf gribblies.
One thing I want to see going forward for the (inevitable) third campaign- consolidation between fantasy and scifi.
Some of the differences between genres were so small and minuscule it seemed like it would be easier to just include parts to make either/ or, or just have us specify which version in the PM.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Some of the differences between genres were so small and minuscule it seemed like it would be easier to just include parts to make either.
But that way you can't maximise profits and milk it for all that it's worth.
Depends on how the models are made.
For one piece stuff they only save on creating the renders and I don't see a lot of units were just swapping weapons would work.
They should expand on their own background and fluff first, dare I say it, have a go at their own game rules. Who knows, maybe it is something worth picking up, I'm always game for new rulesets, if only to appease <NAME REDACTED> and his unholy quest to get me out of the abusive clutches of GW.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Quite curious to see what Raging Heroes do to follow this up, regardless of whether it fulfills as quickly as it seems it can...
TGG3: The Machine and Flesh Scifi and Fantasy High Elves/Eldar
Waifu Tyranids
Waifu Necrons
Segsah lesbo genestealer cult? (oh what that sista could do with her tongue!)
They sent out an email tonight giving instructions on how to add the Freebies, if you forgot, how to access the PM if you can't, and how TGG1 backers can add their free mini to their pledge.
Okay. I followed the instructions in update 52, sent in my message for my freebees and filled out the form for my freebee for backing the first KS. Let's see how it goes.
Well, having waited to pay for my shipping means I only just now got on the pledge manager and sorted everything out. I am hoping that my delay will mean all the kinks have been worked out and I won't have to email them chasing after anything.
Pledge manager worked, I told them what free mini I want for backing TGG1, and my order is submitted
I ended up with the freebies
9 Draahks Riders (in command)
Draahks chariot
The character on a Draahks
10 of the not-witch elves (inc command)
10 Crossbowwomen
10 not-blackguard (inc command)
10 harpies
10 not-executioners (inc command)
10 not-demonettes (inc command)
25 spearwomen (inc command)
5 flesh eaters
Arkiish, The Black Reaper
Asharah on Pegasus
Avatar of Shaah
Shiveriah, Sorceress
Yscarloth, The Harvester of Flesh
Lady Darkryss
They're doing two waves and haven't even been able to show us sculpts for two of their biggest models. Chances are, they're going to give us the freebies and whatever they have in stock as a first wave, then give us a second wave after French Chinese Asian Lunar Nouveau Ans.
Absolutionis wrote: They're doing two waves and haven't even been able to show us sculpts for two of their biggest models. Chances are, they're going to give us the freebies and whatever they have in stock as a first wave, then give us a second wave after French Chinese Asian Lunar Nouveau Ans.
Yeah, this seems likely. They probably figure its better than keeping everyone waiting and waiting.
I personally prefer metal over resin, this is mostly due to the resin type they use, which for me remains sticky and hard to glue together for some reason.
I'll say resin (unhelpful as that's going to sound) as a lot of the stuff is in pieces and I prefer not to have to glue human sized minis
detail is about equal
and the troops you're getting (?) will be resin anyway, only the smaller heroines can be had in metal so you might as well have them all in the same material
that said the issue BrookM mentions above does seem to be real (and others experienced modelers/painters have mentioned it too) but either only shows up on some minis or is only a problem for some assembly/painting styles
Compared to the shipping prices of other KSs, it honestly feels like a bargain.
I'm going for resin as well. I got a few models from the first KS and the joins weren't 100% clean and flush. If I'm gonna be cutting and greenstuffing and have small contact points, I'd rather work with resin.
Since everyone else is posting their orders, here's mine. Gonna turn all of this into KoW Night Stalkers.
I went metal also. I trust it more and it is more durable.
I got a little bit of this, a little bit of that. I'm hoping to sell about half of the Freebees.
For my Ecclesiarchy stuff - Cannoness, Delorosa, Familiars, (they look alot like the little guys you see in the corners of illustrations), nuns-with-pistols
For fantasy - enough mantis warriors and death dancers to put together a unit of daemonettes
For some future hypothetical Dark Eldar army - enough figures to mix in with the regular GW stuff (which is really quite good) to add some variety.
Ended up going in pretty heavy, got enough bits to expand my burgeoning Dark Eldar force with a Wyches section. Enough Lust elves bits to have a Slaanesh daemon section for my traitor guardsmen and a good thousand points or so of the Sisters to ally with any loyalists. Raging sure do know how to get me interested.
Oh and resin, once you wash it in the water and leave it to dry its so much easier to work with.
One would think that if you had a six day holiday coming up, you wouldn't schedule the busiest part of your KS completion for that time period.
You need to know that the victory against Germany in the EM was a bit unexpected and therefore thy may did not planed what to do if the whole nation take a holiday to watch (and celebrate)
I'd go for Metal for the most part, but resin for all of the stuff that will be a nightmare to assemble in metal or crumble under it's own weight and outlandish pose.
Azazelx wrote: I'd go for Metal for the most part, but resin for all of the stuff that will be a nightmare to assemble in metal or crumble under it's own weight and outlandish pose.
Looking at many of the poses here, I think you're starting out saying 'mostly metal' but before the sentence ends you're really saying 'mostly resin'!
One would think that if you had a six day holiday coming up, you wouldn't schedule the busiest part of your KS completion for that time period.
You need to know that the victory against Germany in the EM was a bit unexpected and therefore thy may did not planed what to do if the whole nation take a holiday to watch (and celebrate)
I assume that's a sporting event? That's an unacceptable excuse for bad customer service.
One don't need a holiday to watch freaking soccer. Just a freaking evening. I could see them taking the evening plus next day morning if they feel like celebrating but more makes no sense.
(Though I personally couldn't care less about football, soccer, and I won't even take holidays for Starcraft!)
Six days off because your team is in the big game is unreasonable. I'm from Illinois, and even though I'd be ecstatic if the Cubs made the series, I'd be livid if an IL based business took a six day break to celebrate. That would be absurd.
The looming possibility of France being in this game would have to have been on the table when the PM was getting ready to launch. If they wanted to take that time off that bad, they should have delayed the PM. (Assuming a soccer game is the reason they're bailing on their customers for a week, of course.)
Update #61 – YES!!! (NSFW) Altar of the Succubi, War Pulpit, Dark Elves Male Bits, and more Knights of the Chalice
“I Want the Altar / War Pulpit but I've Already Selected my Rewards in the Pledge Manager!!!”
Yes, we thought some of you might say that. No problem! Just go to the Pledge Manager, add the Altar and/or the War Pulpit, and Proceed to Checkout. Exceptionally, this week, if you only put the Altar and/or the War Pulpit in your cart, you won't get charged for shipping!
The reason for this is to make it easier for us to combine your orders without having to refund the shipping fee that results in you going a second time into the Pledge Manager. Of course, if this is the only thing you get with your pledge money (Altar and/or War Pulpit and nothing else), then of course, we will collect the shipping costs from you before we ship, because shipping ain't free for us
For full size images, when you're on the Pledge Manager, right-click > Open image in new tab on the images you want to see – Kickstarter has a very tedious interface so we've only put a few full size link in this update.
NSFW: As usual, there are bare breasts in this update.
Altar of the Succubi
So here it is finally... What else is there to say, except that it has been a challenging piece to develop but we are very excited by the final result. As you can see, it is massive and full of details. If there ever was a centrepiece, this is definitely it. Enjoy!
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War Pulpit
Another very much expected model, judging by your many questions and comments. So here it is, another pretty insane sculpt. It's going to look so cool on your gaming table...
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Male Bits for Dark Elves
Below are the all the Dark Elves Male Bits. We actually ended up with more than what was originally planned. Indeed, there is now two types of kits for the Heavy Troopers: •one for the Halberds and Draahk Riders, •and one for the Long Swords.
And of course, there are also Male Bits for the "light" troops (swordmen / spearmen / crossbowmen).
If you have already finished going through the Pledge Manager and chose the Heavy Dark Elves Male Bits, don't worry: we will contact you personally at a later date so that you can tell us which Heavy kit you need.
In the images below, you can see that the male bits work really well with our regular Dark Elves (female) miniatures.
How to Remove High Heels
If you want to remove the high heels on your troopers and champions, it is very simple. As you can see on the male elves images below, you can easily remove the parts that bother you. We did it digitally on the 3D file but you can do the same on the minis.
In most cases, you can simply cut the longest part of the heel with a modelling knife, and, voilà, you've got a regular heel. On the feet that stand firmly on the ground, this solution might not always work, but that will happen rarely. In such a case, however, we suggest that you use some texture on the base to partly hide the heel. It won't require a lot since the part you will need to hide will be about 1mm high. A bit of static grass or a few grains of sand will easily do the trick, and boom, again, you've got non-high-heeled TGG minis
Male Elves Bits for Halberds and Draahk Riders Champions
Heavy Command Group heads and torsos: 3 Champions male torsos and 3 male heads compatible with the Halberds and Draahk Riders, but NOT with the Long Swords.
Male Elves Bits for Halberds and Draahk Riders Troopers
Heavy Troopers heads and torsos: 5 male heads and 5 heavy-armoured torsos compatible with the Halberds and Draahk Riders, but NOT with the Long Swords.
Male Elves Bits for Long Swords Champion and Troopers
Long Swords Pack: Troopers + Champion heads and torsos: •5 male Trooper heads and •5 male Trooper long swords torsos AND •1 male Champion head and •1 male Champion long swords torso
Male Elves Light Champions Bits
Light Command Group heads and torsos: 3 Champions male torsos and 3 male heads compatible with the Spearmen/Crossbowmen/Swordsmen.
Male Elves Light Troopers Bits
Light Troopers heads and torsos: 5 male heads and 5 light-armoured torsos compatible with the Spearmen/Crossbowmen/Swordsmen.
More Knights of the Chalice
There were a few Knights of the Chalice missing when we originally shared them with you. Now they're all done and we now have two boxes of five soldiers.
Most of you have probably already seen them in the Pledge Manager, but we wanted to feature them in our Updates.
First, here are two line-ups showing the two boxes:
Pledge Manager awaits you!
If you haven't done so, pay for your shipping fee at shiptgg2.com, and you'll be able to connect to the Pledge Manager as per the following schedule: •(Wave 6) Buy Shipping Fee by July 14, 11AM GMT - Access PM on July 15, 1PM GM •(Wave 7) Buy Shipping Fee by July 18, 11AM GMT - Access PM on July 19, 1PM GM •(Wave 8) Buy Shipping Fee by July 21, 11AM GMT - Access PM on July 22, 1PM GM
And while you wait, check out the instructions right here.
My first thoughts regarding the Altar: "Ye gods, that is amazing, I would have to pick my jaw up off the floor if I ever saw that in person and painted well."
My second thoughts: "Ye gods, who would be insane enough to even think of assembling and painting that?"
and with all the typical elf dancing, prancing and jumping a pair of 6 in stilettos through the top of the head gives them an extra close combat weapon too......
What are your opinions on the war pulpit? When I heard of it I wanted to add 3 to my collection to play them as exorcist or these other walker the sisters of battle of 40k have, but right now I no longer think that that would be a good idea. I like the model, but it doesn`t look like a good exorcist and it also seems to be very static, like you can buy one and build it, but every additional pulpit will most likely just look the same? What are your opinions on it?
Since Nice is realtively close to Montpellier, I guess we can all, rightfully, take a back seat until the end of July. Ah but then they go on vacation for a month...
No, none. But again, it would be natural for them to be impacted as it is in the same area. The state of emergency was about to expire in France and has been renewed until Fall. I assume this means La Poste will be slowed down because of greater scrutiny, or even extra paperwork for international shipping.
I'm in the central US and I got part of my order (freebies and a few heroines) this past Friday, so they have actually started shipping some stuff it'd seem.
No freebies or anything yet, but I did get a partial shipping notification email overnight, saying my Stingrays and Mantis Warriors had been dispatched.
Which is, you know, good, But thats about ¼ of my order.
Yea, I've got freebies + stingrays + moar stingrays incoming. I also have a concern, because I used their form to politely request even more things be added to my order ... but have heard nothing for weeks now, and worried I've missed out. Have begun assaulting email and FB to allay concerns over not getting enough tiny resin chicks
Mine turned up yesterday - freebies, daemonettes and Shiveriah (all resin). Blown away by the quality of the sculpts and casts.
A couple of minor bubbles from a quick inspection but nothing that isn't easily filled. Haven't noticed any missing detail. The only problem I have is that Rithali-in is missing a finger which broke in the post (or packing). The finger is in the ziplock bag but there is absolutely no chance of re-attaching it. Honestly, it is the thickness of a piece of cotton! No idea how they got it out of the cast in the first place!! When you all see the model you will understand. I guess I will try contacting customer service and see if they will ship me out a replacement when the rest of my order is ready.
On a side note, anyone around central London fancy swapping some miniatures for the mascots? I can't see when I would use them and they don't really appeal to me.
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Was talking to my brother about TGG2, and he figured he might go with the centaurs simply because they're one of the more unique designs in the 
