rayphoton wrote: So if this is 400k so far and the last one topped out at 600k......I wonder when they are gonna change their complete unlocks schedule to account for the hundred or so other minis they haven't unlocked.
Cause while I didn't think think this would do poorly...I can't imagine it makes Bones or Mantic type money. I don't see it going past the previous ks at all. Certainly not 1.5 million
I think they expect $1.5 million. Little gem under the FAQ section about potential delays:
However, in the case of this KS going higher and, say, up to $1.5 million, newer unlocks and the increased volume of production will definitely impact the date of the final manufacturing and release of all models and push it out to late Summer 2016.
Went ahead and pledged myself, but not sure if I will stick around. Will have to see how the rest of the freebie figs look and what gets unlocked.
Okay, I got my "freebee" shipment today. Man, are these things small. I'm talking chaos cultists small. The detail is gorgeous on them so that's good. Even the detail on their faces is done well for the most part.
I'm a little concerned about arms and other slender, fiddly bits gluing together. Anyone who's put together Malifaux kits will know what I'm talking about. Unlike Malifaux, this stuff is not HISP and I expect will not glue together as cleanly as it would if it were.
Yes, the wait sucks but I'm not going to complain because I got a lot of miniatures at a great price and I've plenty of other projects to keep me occupied for the next two years (ungh...) until this new KS delivers.
Well, been through the artwork picking out my "first pass" model selection and it came to a rather alarming total
Went through again to cut it down to something close to the $175 mark and this is my plannedplanned purchase listlist, mostly to be split up to act as squad leaders etc for cheaper blocks of models:
My only worry about this campaign is that they have soooo many units to unlock that we'll never get to the 'added bits' unlocks that give more weapon/head/customization options. I found this the best part of the last campaign because even when the 'artistic improvements' negatively impacted the final figure, I found that the added bits always had something that I still liked. And RG is well known for its extensive improvements.
I'm sure that they're prepared for the inevitable slowdown, they did change things around a bit last time with the stretch goal unlocks. Though I think they were expecting this to just keep surging along, what with the freebies being announced at the start and the bit in the FAQ about hitting 1.5mil.
If they wanted to boost the lines they already have they should have given us male versions and more choices of their first 3 armies just in my thought. I for one would love to have male versions of iron empire to mix with the female versions.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Sooo... anyone else lost on that pile of nonsense about how they're doing the pledge manager this time?
It kind of makes sense, actually. Much better than them just blindly ordering X of something in a wave when they likely only need Y to meet the demand. It could speed things up a little whilst also giving people more flexibility with what they actually want as and when final renders become available. Given the flexibility, it should also mean they get a steady stream of extra funds over the next two years as people decide to spend a little more.
The spider mother looks okay, I think, stability wise. She is super front heavy, but all her legs on the ground are also up front. (I could be wrong of course.) I'm more curious about the 'not-a-Talos' models.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Nothing back from RH on the Daughters or the KOC. Sorry lads. I'll keep pestering them.
Anything else people want addressed or clarified?
How will the PayPal option work, and how long will it be open?
Can you pledge a buck here (so you get the updates), and then upgrade fully to a pledge level via the PayPal option?
(2-week campaigns are a nightmare when you get paid fortnightly)
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Sooo... anyone else lost on that pile of nonsense about how they're doing the pledge manager this time?
It kind of makes sense, actually. Much better than them just blindly ordering X of something in a wave when they likely only need Y to meet the demand. It could speed things up a little whilst also giving people more flexibility with what they actually want as and when final renders become available. Given the flexibility, it should also mean they get a steady stream of extra funds over the next two years as people decide to spend a little more.
Could you please explain their system in plain English?
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Sooo... anyone else lost on that pile of nonsense about how they're doing the pledge manager this time?
It kind of makes sense, actually. Much better than them just blindly ordering X of something in a wave when they likely only need Y to meet the demand. It could speed things up a little whilst also giving people more flexibility with what they actually want as and when final renders become available. Given the flexibility, it should also mean they get a steady stream of extra funds over the next two years as people decide to spend a little more.
Could you please explain their system in plain English?
I can give it a go. Keep in mind that this is my interpretation of it, not something official.
1) They'll add all of the unlocked items to the pledge manager (mostly concept art)
2) Next they'll add your pledge value as store credit.
3) You'll be able to log in but not buy anything using the store credit (I imagine that you'll not be able to buy anything directly as well)
4) At this stage, they'd like you to make a wish list of the items you want. (Lets them get a rough idea of the numbers, but it's just a wish list not an order)
5) As they're ready to start producing items, they'll add the final renders / photos to the pledge manager and mark them as available to order.
6a) You can update your wish list based off the new renders (take things off, put things on)
6b) At this point, if everything you want is available or you want to split your shipping, you can move some/all of the items on your wish list to the shopping cart and check out.
7) Repeat steps 6a and 6b as often as you wish. Though each time you check out you'll need to pay some shipping fees.
Put another way, the pledge manager will be like having your spread sheet of what you'd like visible to RH whilst also making it easier to buy things from it.
Actually speaking of scale, can anyone tell me how the scale of the TGG1 figs compare to the original fantasy Blood Vestals? Remember there being a bunch of scale shifting during the first TTG KS.
Took a look at the scale of this image and its about 20% oversize if you want the "You are here" figure to be in scale with other RH figures at about 1-3/8" tall.
Size the image to 37.933" wide at 72 dpi for a more accurate scaling.
Rescaled, the lip of the altar is about 6" high and the vehicle is 8" long.
Shaah is just under 6" tall.
Engines are a bit over 2.5" tall. Figures in the engines look a too small compared to miss "You are here", so they probably should get bigger.
This all assuming:
A. That RH actually knows how tall the pieces are planned to begin with.
B. Sizes stay in the same relationship to the human figures through the design process.
C. Other random factors don't change things...
Want I want... desperately want, is a simple text based version of the enormous graphs that show me
1-What is unlocked
2-What are the stretch goals.
I'm just too busy to scroll back and forth (it's crazy at work and I have to juggle different things with the purchase of my new vehicle(car, nothing as fancy as a chimera or rhino))
I wonder how the resale value on this stuff will be. Last time I went in for the cheap 5 figures, free shipping deal, but that doesn't seem to be in this time. That makes the big pledge the only one worth it, but that is a lot of cash. On the other hand, if I could resell some of it on ebay and make my money back (or some of it), I might think about it.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Sooo... anyone else lost on that pile of nonsense about how they're doing the pledge manager this time?
It kind of makes sense, actually. Much better than them just blindly ordering X of something in a wave when they likely only need Y to meet the demand. It could speed things up a little whilst also giving people more flexibility with what they actually want as and when final renders become available. Given the flexibility, it should also mean they get a steady stream of extra funds over the next two years as people decide to spend a little more.
Could you please explain their system in plain English?
I can give it a go. Keep in mind that this is my interpretation of it, not something official.
1) They'll add all of the unlocked items to the pledge manager (mostly concept art)
2) Next they'll add your pledge value as store credit.
3) You'll be able to log in but not buy anything using the store credit (I imagine that you'll not be able to buy anything directly as well)
4) At this stage, they'd like you to make a wish list of the items you want. (Lets them get a rough idea of the numbers, but it's just a wish list not an order)
5) As they're ready to start producing items, they'll add the final renders / photos to the pledge manager and mark them as available to order.
6a) You can update your wish list based off the new renders (take things off, put things on)
6b) At this point, if everything you want is available or you want to split your shipping, you can move some/all of the items on your wish list to the shopping cart and check out.
7) Repeat steps 6a and 6b as often as you wish. Though each time you check out you'll need to pay some shipping fees.
Put another way, the pledge manager will be like having your spread sheet of what you'd like visible to RH whilst also making it easier to buy things from it.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Let's you see what's ready and let's you order when and what you want leaving it to you to decide if you want to split your order and pay multiple shipping or pay shipping once and get all of it. Also gives you a chance to see renders/finished product. Be very interesting to see how it's implement.
Barzam wrote: Hmm. I'm finding myself wondering, what is the possibility that they might eventually do a Toughest Guys in the Galaxy Kickstarter?
They're called Space Marines. They come in many varieties colors. They're produced by Games Workshop, and the associated game is just as good as RagingHeroes's game.
Virgin oracle? As in “I get supernatural power out of not having sex”?
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Have you not seen the Scorpion King? - she just has to make people think that, plus its a fairly normal fantasy trope and is based on historical cults like the Vestal Virgins..........
Virgin oracle? As in “I get supernatural power out of not having sex”?
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Have you not seen the Scorpion King? - she just has to make people think that, plus its a fairly normal fantasy trope and is based on historical cults like the Vestal Virgins..........
Or 300 even, with the Oracle. I thought pretty much the same, Mr. Morden.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Sooo... anyone else lost on that pile of nonsense about how they're doing the pledge manager this time?
It kind of makes sense, actually. Much better than them just blindly ordering X of something in a wave when they likely only need Y to meet the demand. It could speed things up a little whilst also giving people more flexibility with what they actually want as and when final renders become available. Given the flexibility, it should also mean they get a steady stream of extra funds over the next two years as people decide to spend a little more.
Could you please explain their system in plain English?
I can give it a go. Keep in mind that this is my interpretation of it, not something official.
1) They'll add all of the unlocked items to the pledge manager (mostly concept art)
2) Next they'll add your pledge value as store credit.
3) You'll be able to log in but not buy anything using the store credit (I imagine that you'll not be able to buy anything directly as well)
4) At this stage, they'd like you to make a wish list of the items you want. (Lets them get a rough idea of the numbers, but it's just a wish list not an order)
5) As they're ready to start producing items, they'll add the final renders / photos to the pledge manager and mark them as available to order.
6a) You can update your wish list based off the new renders (take things off, put things on)
6b) At this point, if everything you want is available or you want to split your shipping, you can move some/all of the items on your wish list to the shopping cart and check out.
7) Repeat steps 6a and 6b as often as you wish. Though each time you check out you'll need to pay some shipping fees.
Put another way, the pledge manager will be like having your spread sheet of what you'd like visible to RH whilst also making it easier to buy things from it.
That sounds like a massive pain the in ass/burden on me as a customer. So I just need to keep checking the PM? Hope the stuff I want is still in stock when the other item comes in?
That's not a pain, it's quite clever as it gives us the flexibility and choice to get what we want when we want it if we want to pay extra shipping. Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill!
I'd hope that they'd tie the updates on the pledge manager into the monthly KS updates that they've promised. But yes, it could quite easily turn into a hassle for the backer to keep on top of.
Guildsman wrote: Maybe the two things are unrelated. She's psychic, and just happens to be waiting for Mr./Ms. Right.
I will believe that the day I see a mini concept called “Doralys, oracle that like really, really spicy food”, or “Doralys, oracle and rookie musician” or something.
Nah, it is obviously linked to cultural notions of almost mystical “purity” linked to female virginity. And it is bs .
Alpharius wrote: That's what you're going to get upset about here?
You sound like there is something else I should really be upset about . What is it?
Mr Morden wrote: Have you not seen the Scorpion King? - she just has to make people think that, plus its a fairly normal fantasy trope and is based on historical cults like the Vestal Virgins..........
Now I really want to link to some Oglaf strip, but I cannot because it would break the rules of Dakka. So I am just going to say virgincobbler, Oglaf, and if you end up watching a very NSFW strip that makes fun of this stupid trope, that will totally not be my fault . But do not, if you are under 18, right?
I must admit that the "pledge manager" SOUNDS pretty smart.
1. You're not locked in
2. You can always add more stuff
3. You know exactly when what is finished and could be shipped to you.
4. It's absolutely up to you how many shipments you'll get.
Guildsman wrote: Maybe the two things are unrelated. She's psychic, and just happens to be waiting for Mr./Ms. Right.
I will believe that the day I see a mini concept called “Doralys, oracle that like really, really spicy food”, or “Doralys, oracle and rookie musician” or something.
Nah, it is obviously linked to cultural notions of almost mystical “purity” linked to female virginity. And it is bs .
Alpharius wrote: That's what you're going to get upset about here?
You sound like there is something else I should really be upset about . What is it?
Mr Morden wrote: Have you not seen the Scorpion King? - she just has to make people think that, plus its a fairly normal fantasy trope and is based on historical cults like the Vestal Virgins..........
Now I really want to link to some Oglaf strip, but I cannot because it would break the rules of Dakka. So I am just going to say virgincobbler, Oglaf, and if you end up watching a very NSFW strip that makes fun of this stupid trope, that will totally not be my fault . But do not, if you are under 18, right?
Bit confused - which bit is the problem with the artwork? Kelly Hu wore about the same (or nothing) in the named film in her role - its a cheesecake image but that's RH?
The Oglaf stuff sounds a bit dodgy, never heard of it?
Tropes are Tropes - this is def one and they slapped the whole sexy but unattainable virgin stic on this one - and it looks great Girls I know suggest its a standard tool in their armoury........
so back on the pledge manager - have they said if product will be available for retail at the same time?
I've not seen anything about when things will hit retail. I'd hope that there's at least a little gap between them becoming available to backers and the general public. It'd not be too much work to move a previous set of figures to general sale as they add the next lot.
Sounds like one for the heralds to pass up the chain though.'
prankster wrote: I've not seen anything about when things will hit retail. I'd hope that there's at least a little gap between them becoming available to backers and the general public. It'd not be too much work to move a previous set of figures to general sale as they add the next lot.
Sounds like one for the heralds to pass up the chain though.'
Most of TGG1 Wave 3 won't even be hitting retail till this time next year or later, so I imagine there will be a reasonable amount of delay depending on how fast they start putting the new orders to forge. If some of the figures are say... 80% they could easily start adding TGG2 minis to the production queue right behind TGG1 Wave 3 stuff and not have a production gap.
prankster wrote: I've not seen anything about when things will hit retail. I'd hope that there's at least a little gap between them becoming available to backers and the general public. It'd not be too much work to move a previous set of figures to general sale as they add the next lot.
Sounds like one for the heralds to pass up the chain though.'
Had a wonder through their update and got this bit:
While there is a very strong chance that you will receive all of your Rewards way before they become available at retail, there is always a possibility that some TGG2 minis go on sale before then, especially if you choose to save on Shipping costs and wait for ALL the TGG2 minis to be produced before receiving your Rewards Selection. We believe that the very special deal, the Freebies, and the exclusive content we provide with the TGG2 KS largely compensates for this slight possibility. However, if you are not comfortable with this, please do not back this KS and wait for the TGG2 to be available at retail.
hmm from last KS experience I am def waiting for retail but then likely pick up some - especially if they match the concept art- the final ogre woman from the last one was a major change :(
None. Just questioning the relevancy of mentioning the oracle is virgin
Depends on her background I guess - if that fact is important to her role or the source of power then guess its important................
The notion that purity enhances magical potential is hardly limited to sexual purity. Pure unspoiled lands are thought in many settings to provide more intense magical potential; in many settings and/or beliefs ritual items are required to be of the purest construction and material; rituals of 'cleansing' are common to belief systems in this world and almost every imaginary one; there are many religions, real or make-believe, that distance themselves from 'corrupting influences' in order to keep themselves unblemished and more in tune with their faith. (Not to mention that we haven't yet been told her virginity is tied to her powers--many religions have people who forsake one or more earthly pleasures in order to show their devotion to the divine. For an organization with a heavy Roman Catholic influence, that does not seem out of character.)
I understand that there are some issues people where people are going to disagree on where the line is. I just don't think picking a fight over Dolarys's virginity is one with any real ground to stand on.
Guildsman wrote: Maybe the two things are unrelated. She's psychic, and just happens to be waiting for Mr./Ms. Right.
I will believe that the day I see a mini concept called “Doralys, oracle that like really, really spicy food”, or “Doralys, oracle and rookie musician” or something.
Nah, it is obviously linked to cultural notions of almost mystical “purity” linked to female virginity. And it is bs .
I know, I know. It's a stupid, archaic archetype that we as a society should be past by now. Just trying to lighten the mood.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Now I really want to link to some Oglaf strip, but I cannot because it would break the rules of Dakka. So I am just going to say virgincobbler, Oglaf, and if you end up watching a very NSFW strip that makes fun of this stupid trope, that will totally not be my fault . But do not, if you are under 18, right?
The fact that more people don't know about Oglaf is a crying shame. Hilarious, but extremely NSFW, though. Go down that rabbit hole at your own risk.
I've uploaded pictures from my second wave off tgg1 to try and show their style and quality. I've been very happy with the figures and the swappable.ity of the kits has been very good. They need more poses for just shooting straight forward. They have a lot of running, standing straight up, or shooting to the side! Very happy with what they have so far and I'm in for $500 for this tgg2 as well now.
The Draakhs Riders troops box has been unlocked for hitting 2000 backers, and we'll start seeing the addons / all-star upgrades from tomorrow, with unlocks starting at 500k and being interspersed between the regular stretch goals.
Insurgency Walker wrote: I am glad this kickstarter is doing well. I hope they make enough money to finish TTGG1.
From what they've said the first one is in no danger whatsoever.
I guess I'm just a tad cranky that I'm still waiting on my wave to ship. They did send out my freebies with an advert for the new kickstarter which arrived in my mailbox the day the new kickstarter went live. 14 awsome minis! However I will wait to buy TTGG2 retail.
Insurgency Walker wrote: I am glad this kickstarter is doing well. I hope they make enough money to finish TTGG1.
From what they've said the first one is in no danger whatsoever.
I guess I'm just a tad cranky that I'm still waiting on my wave to ship. They did send out my freebies with an advert for the new kickstarter which arrived in my mailbox the day the new kickstarter went live. 14 awsome minis! However I will wait to buy TTGG2 retail.
I can wholly understand the sentiment, it's never cool to be waiting for something, without any word on what's what, while they're holding up their hands for the next one.
Insurgency Walker wrote: I am glad this kickstarter is doing well. I hope they make enough money to finish TTGG1.
From what they've said the first one is in no danger whatsoever.
I guess I'm just a tad cranky that I'm still waiting on my wave to ship. They did send out my freebies with an advert for the new kickstarter which arrived in my mailbox the day the new kickstarter went live. 14 awsome minis! However I will wait to buy TTGG2 retail.
At least you have had something I haven't had a single figure yet.
Jimsolo wrote: The notion that purity enhances magical potential is hardly limited to sexual purity.
The very notion of sexual purity is the problem…
Jimsolo wrote: I just don't think picking a fight over Dolarys's virginity is one with any real ground to stand on.
I am going to stop at facepalm. Maybe, maybe, if I pledge to get that one unit with the big cool armor, I will leave them a comment about it, just to bring it to their mind if they had just not thought about it, but I certainly will not go further than that.
Guildsman wrote: The fact that more people don't know about Oglaf is a crying shame.
Apparently, many do here. I love my Sithrak t-shirt, and I always wonder if people know where it comes from or not .
To be fair, virginity meaning never having had sex is a new concept. The original virgins (who worshiped Virgo) were sexually EMPOWERED women who could take any lover they wanted as part of their worship. The Christians later wiped them out and claimed the power of the word for their particular faith to assist in conversion. That meaning of the word drastically changes original dogma, and the meaning/ appearance of this mini.
shamikebab wrote: I hope they alter the pose slightly for that one when the figure is done, it's a bit....bum sticking out randomly.
It's not a combatant. It's an executioner. It looks like it's leaning on its executioner's axe. The butt sticking out is just a bit of a casual leaning pose added in with some artistic titillation.
Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote: To be fair, virginity meaning never having had sex is a new concept. The original virgins (who worshiped Virgo) were sexually EMPOWERED women who could take any lover they wanted as part of their worship. The Christians later wiped them out and claimed the power of the word for their particular faith to assist in conversion. That meaning of the word drastically changes original dogma, and the meaning/ appearance of this mini.
The more you know!
Complaining about the over-sexualization of women in any capacity in any of this company's campaigns seems a bit forced.
shamikebab wrote: I hope they alter the pose slightly for that one when the figure is done, it's a bit....bum sticking out randomly.
It's not a combatant. It's an executioner. It looks like it's leaning on its executioner's axe. The butt sticking out is just a bit of a casual leaning pose added in with some artistic titillation.
That was my impression as well. Kinda reminded me of this.
Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote: To be fair, virginity meaning never having had sex is a new concept. The original virgins (who worshiped Virgo) were sexually EMPOWERED women who could take any lover they wanted as part of their worship. The Christians later wiped them out and claimed the power of the word for their particular faith to assist in conversion. That meaning of the word drastically changes original dogma, and the meaning/ appearance of this mini.
The more you know!
Hmm which originals are you talking about - the Vestal Virgins were relatively powerful but in a very male dominated society - women of Rome could and did have power but usually expressed through compliant or co-operative husbands, brothers, lovers etc.
The Vestil Virgins could be burried alive if found to have lovers - they could however do exactly what they wanted when they fnished their term in office - 30 years IIRC and usually married.
Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote: To be fair, virginity meaning never having had sex is a new concept. The original virgins (who worshiped Virgo) were sexually EMPOWERED women who could take any lover they wanted as part of their worship. The Christians later wiped them out and claimed the power of the word for their particular faith to assist in conversion. That meaning of the word drastically changes original dogma, and the meaning/ appearance of this mini.
The more you know!
Hmm which originals are you talking about - the Vestal Virgins were relatively powerful but in a very male dominated society - women of Rome could and did have power but usually expressed through compliant or co-operative husbands, brothers, lovers etc.
The Vestil Virgins could be burried alive if found to have lovers - they could however do exactly what they wanted when they fnished their term in office - 30 years IIRC and usually married.
Or are you talking about a different Sect / Cult?
Didn't Nero sleep with loads of them?
There were loads of powerful women in Rome Livia, Cleopatra, Agrippina to name a few.
Here's the digest version of the Q&A going on in the Herald forum. Seems you lot make up most of the questions
"Can people "piggyback" on other people's pledges to save on shipping? ie 2x Lieutenant, Lieutenant + Captain, etc?"
No.
"Can people pledge a buck now and upgrade to a higher tier pledge later in the PM?" "Will there be a Paypal option?" "How long will it be open?"
They will be able to upgrade while the Paypal option is open (it will be open towards the end of the campaign, and will stay open only for a limited time), but in the PM, they will only be able to add new minis, not jump up to other Pledge Levels.
However, pledging outside the KS campaign saves us the KS fee, but deprives backers of more stretch goals so it's a tricky balancing act...
"Is there any kind of reasoning between the stretch goals? "
Yes.
"They seem completely random."
Not quite.
"Wouldn't building up on the basic troopers then going after the stranger and rarer minis make more sense?"
It might for some. But that is not necessarily what most people want and, globally, the way the campaign is trending, all the basic troopers should end up unlocked.
"A big request from several folks is they'd like non-human sized models to be given a scale, such as the Spider Mother, Centaurs, Avatar of Shaah, etc."
Done! See bottom of Update #4: http://bit.ly/TGG2-04 "Follow up, people want to know if they'll be able to purchase more of the freebies as add ons. I figured that would be the case like it was for TGG1, but wanted to get confirmation."
Yes, all Freebies will also be available for selection as add-ons.
barnacle111 wrote:
So daughters of the crucible could be used for what in a sob army?
Henchmen as inquisition allies? Priests?
I was thinking on 2 possible ways to use them :
- Fast Attack : some kind of scout with the n°1 freebie, with a deep strike rule, low armor saving but rules about avoiding damages
- Elites/QG as bodyguards
As for the Kight of the Chalice, rather than Celestian, I think I will make some kind of Terminator Sister Squad, this will be just awesome!
barnacle111 wrote:
So daughters of the crucible could be used for what in a sob army?
Henchmen as inquisition allies? Priests?
I was thinking on 2 possible ways to use them :
- Fast Attack : some kind of scout with the n°1 freebie, with a deep strike rule, low armor saving but rules about avoiding damages
- Elites/QG as bodyguards
As for the Kight of the Chalice, rather than Celestian, I think I will make some kind of Terminator Sister Squad, this will be just awesome!
You could even just use the rules for Allied Terminators
But when you check the lore of the SoB, they seems a lot to be like an unstopable faithfull army, what is better to incarnate unstopable power than a Terminator squad?
For most part, yes the SM rules of Terminators could aply, I would just change the special rules, to fit something more closer to SoB spirit.
Basically with the current SoB army you don't really have differences between units (at least it is my point of view). I think if we have the chance to see a new SoB codex, it is very likely that we will see more specialized units.
The rumor for sisters is there is going to be a unit on the centurion sized bases. If that pans out, you could use the terminator models here for them. Or, hope sisters get terminators...
Some sort of run down of the KS as a whole, an explanation of the ball-socket system for people who aren't familiar with it (or didn't find it self-explanatory), a reveal of an underwhelming Lust Elf freebie, the unveiling of their 'free upgrades,' and a bunch of pictures and text that I can't get my ipad to properly copy-paste.
I just skimmed it and I see that the sister Terminators are still not unlocked, many sads.
We got 8 days...we might get them.
So far...this campaign hasn't been..awful. It will be interesting to see what the final 2 day spike is like this tie around.
I think at this point the campaign has lost its momentum and is stalling, so now we're getting the 5k stretches that unlock the extra bits and pieces for stuff already unlocked.
All campaigns Stall out though. Our many kickstarters have shown that. with maybe the exception of bones. I'm sure Buzzsaw has the graphs being our KS performance guru.
Well probably achive a stretch goal a day and then the last 2 burn through another 5.
My opinion..and will totally be validated or dis-proven shorty
Speaking of campaigns stalling out...the new deadzone one is really ....slow. Very different than their other campaigns. KS burnout finally?
My friend finally got his freebies from the TGG1 KS today. And with that news, I caved and pitched in for this KS. Hopefully, I won't have to wait two years like my friend....
Much bigger day 1 spike (even with what some see as negativity and some like me as delightful cynicism about the delivery of TTG1)
More backers than TTG1 in the same amount of time
More money than TTG1 in the same amount of time
although since this is a lot shorter it may still end up with less cash overall (it depends if the straggle backers who joined in the mid campaign lull will all jump in in the last day here, or if they will not realise the campaign is running until too late)
Thing is.. I don't see why people should add 180$ for the massive throne.. yet the ONE picture we've seen is nice, but that's A LOT of money for something no one has seen, no one really knows how big it actually will be like etc.
They need to show more WIP pictures of the big stuff.
Because it's a forgeworld Titan.
This is something people have no 20 year connection to from a new company that has NEVER done ANYTHING like it before.
I personally think they'll go higher than the last campaign, but nowhere near the 1.4M that is estimated by Kicktraq. There's bound to be a few that pull out for fear of not seeing their goal unlocked, but they'll overall be lost in the last 48 hours rush.
I'm still on the fence, I'm still only compelled by the KotC and DotC. The rest looks good, but not enough to get me lusting after them.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Suffice it to say, I have 0 interest in the VOid Elves and Lust Elves. Even the few freebies I've seen, I'd rather add them on rather than buy in at the Lt level because I would get so much chaff.
Yeah, i pledged at Commander level, and i'm still second guessing whether i've plugged in enough to get what i want... Which i don't even know what that is. I mean i own a sisters force, so there are no "necessities" (if there ever are in miniature gaming), but i'm really looking at some of the "standard troops" as options for my army, Celestians or dedicated Dominions / Retributors.
The "Penitent Engines" look promising (i'd echo the feeling of *want to see 3D renders of the big stuff*, but then i was not disappointed by the TGG1 stuff... So i'm happy to wait) Definitely getting some Davidians and Icariates, not yet sold on the Knigths of the chalice though.
Question is, how much of each? But this shall be considered in 6-7 days anyway. My pledge will undoubtedly go up a bit before the end, i just don't know by how much and whether it'd make the difference people want.
As i've heard from TGG1, some unlocks are just teasers anyway? They'll supply them even if the goals are not reached? >.>
As i've heard from TGG1, some unlocks are just teasers anyway? They'll supply them even if the goals are not reached? >.>
Yeah, this has me guessing they'll unlock everything regardless if they meet the funding level or not, because the cumulative uproar from backers would be nuts if they teased stuff they never get around to releasing.
As i've heard from TGG1, some unlocks are just teasers anyway? They'll supply them even if the goals are not reached? >.>
Yeah, this has me guessing they'll unlock everything regardless if they meet the funding level or not, because the cumulative uproar from backers would be nuts if they teased stuff they never get around to releasing.
~iPaint
Which begs the question of whether the stretch Goals ever meant anything at all.... I mean Kickstarter is meant to be:
Basic Goal - with that money you fulfil "A,B,C".
If you get there, you can then stretch to "D" if you get the money. Or "E" if you get even more money.
Not "we'll do all this because we're planning to get 1 million anyway..." lol
As i've heard from TGG1, some unlocks are just teasers anyway? They'll supply them even if the goals are not reached? >.>
Yeah, this has me guessing they'll unlock everything regardless if they meet the funding level or not, because the cumulative uproar from backers would be nuts if they teased stuff they never get around to releasing.
~iPaint
Which begs the question of whether the stretch Goals ever meant anything at all.... I mean Kickstarter is meant to be:
Basic Goal - with that money you fulfil "A,B,C".
If you get there, you can then stretch to "D" if you get the money. Or "E" if you get even more money.
Not "we'll do all this because we're planning to get 1 million anyway..." lol
It's only meant to be crowdfunding for a basic goal. Anything above that is up to the creator.
I just think their method is flawed... But i'm backing nonetheless. I can relate to anger/frustration about stretch goals though.
They give an impression of a massive amount of stretch goals, but by having it all planned they are hiding the fact that they do not have "real Stretch Goals" (New imaginative ideas because their crowdfunding reached a height they did NOT expect)
rayphoton wrote: Speaking of campaigns stalling out...the new deadzone one is really ....slow. Very different than their other campaigns. KS burnout finally?
Just too many Kickstarters this month, not to mention new games like Star Wars Armada.
RoninXiC wrote: Thing is.. I don't see why people should add 180$ for the massive throne.. yet the ONE picture we've seen is nice, but that's A LOT of money for something no one has seen, no one really knows how big it actually will be like etc.
They need to show more WIP pictures of the big stuff.
For me it isn't so much that it is $180 but more I have no idea what I would use it for. I mean busts I understand, as displays but I can't really display this. It also doesn't translate into something I can use as a proxy for any game that I play. At least most miniatures have the ability to proxy and mingle with other existing games out there but something that is by itself and expensive... makes it harder for me to justify getting it.
Well, they shook things up with the stretch goals last time, switching to just unlocking things towards the end of the campaign to make sure everything was unlocked.
Given that it's dropped to roughly one main unlock a day, I would expect something similar to start happening soon. The other possibility is that they just don't unlock things and people start reducing their pledges because of that. I know I'm not the only one that's waiting on quite a few things to be unlocked.
I may be a little like a broken record, but I'd like an official confirmation that we can buy freebies for cash on lower pledge levels. Otherwise I'm out, anything else is locked and nowhere in sight.
Haljin wrote: I may be a little like a broken record, but I'd like an official confirmation that we can buy freebies for cash on lower pledge levels. Otherwise I'm out, anything else is locked and nowhere in sight.
Seeing as there's only one freebie that has me excited, I'd second this.
Haljin wrote: I may be a little like a broken record, but I'd like an official confirmation that we can buy freebies for cash on lower pledge levels. Otherwise I'm out, anything else is locked and nowhere in sight.
Seeing as there's only one freebie that has me excited, I'd second this.
~iPaint
Update #6 covers this. It's down under the 'Add-ons' section but says: For example, the Freebies will also be available as add-ons, for those who pledge at lower than Lieutenant Level, or those who want to select extra Freebies. We will add an image featuring the Add-ons with pricing to the TGG2 KS front page later in the campaign.
Haljin wrote: I may be a little like a broken record, but I'd like an official confirmation that we can buy freebies for cash on lower pledge levels. Otherwise I'm out, anything else is locked and nowhere in sight.
Seeing as there's only one freebie that has me excited, I'd second this.
~iPaint
Update #6 covers this. It's down under the 'Add-ons' section but says: For example, the Freebies will also be available as add-ons, for those who pledge at lower than Lieutenant Level, or those who want to select extra Freebies. We will add an image featuring the Add-ons with pricing to the TGG2 KS front page later in the campaign.
Not aimed at you, prankster (thanks for the link, btw ), but wow, if RH had actually posted an update ABOUT buying freebies, and ONLY buying the freebies, then maybe less confusion would have been sowed. Instead, we as backers have to wade through a short novel to get any sort of information.
For me it's the Oracle and the Executrix. Reminds me a lot of this:
Hopefully we can get the Totally-Not-Witch-Hunter-Inquisitor unlocked too (and maybe some other cool freebies), so I don't have to pay through the nose for shipping two miniatures.
Haljin wrote: I may be a little like a broken record, but I'd like an official confirmation that we can buy freebies for cash on lower pledge levels. Otherwise I'm out, anything else is locked and nowhere in sight.
Seeing as there's only one freebie that has me excited, I'd second this.
~iPaint
Update #6 covers this. It's down under the 'Add-ons' section but says: For example, the Freebies will also be available as add-ons, for those who pledge at lower than Lieutenant Level, or those who want to select extra Freebies. We will add an image featuring the Add-ons with pricing to the TGG2 KS front page later in the campaign.
Not aimed at you, prankster (thanks for the link, btw ), but wow, if RH had actually posted an update ABOUT buying freebies, and ONLY buying the freebies, then maybe less confusion would have been sowed. Instead, we as backers have to wade through a short novel to get any sort of information.
~iPaint
But that would mean they'd have to visit the project more than once a day, which means less time to drink wine and be artistic
If I had one complain about this kickstarter it would be that they are aiming for too much. Just Sci Fi DE, Lust elves and Sisters would have been enough imo. Then stretch goals to unlock fantasy versions of everything once all the Sci Fi stuff was done.
All the miniatures are pretty much the same sculpt in SciFi and Fantasy with a few changes like weapons and such. I'm worried they wont unlock everything I'm interested in (oh boo hoo).
Then again the only things left for the SciFi sisters are the 3 vehicles, aka NOT Penitent Engine and Throne of Judgement.
Then that weird manticore shadow thing? No idea what that is about.
I'm guessing this kickstarter will go to max 650k. They mentioned they have enough stuff for up to 1.5million but I don't see them reaching that high. Would be cool though if they could reveal the entire stretch goal list to get people more excited. Would love to see some plastic minis stretch goals but I doubt that will happen.
Well you remember the entire rest of the campaign mate, that's about as solid an answer as we're getting for now.
Haljin wrote: I may be a little like a broken record, but I'd like an official confirmation that we can buy freebies for cash on lower pledge levels. Otherwise I'm out, anything else is locked and nowhere in sight.
I thought I confirmed this already, sorry lads. Yes, you will be able to buy as many extra of the freebies as you desire.
MadCowCrazy wrote: Then again the only things left for the SciFi sisters are the 3 vehicles, aka NOT Penitent Engine and Throne of Judgement.
Then that weird manticore shadow thing? No idea what that is about.
Unless I missed it, the terminator sisters haven't been unlocked either..
I've just looked at the Pinterest for TGG2 and realized that the Mother Superior art is very similar in pose to Rackham's Sered Templar Command, just different hands holding the scrollwork.
I'm beginning to have doubts about my ability to keep things down to Commander pledge level ....
MadCowCrazy wrote: Then again the only things left for the SciFi sisters are the 3 vehicles, aka NOT Penitent Engine and Throne of Judgement.
Then that weird manticore shadow thing? No idea what that is about.
Unless I missed it, the terminator sisters haven't been unlocked either..
RoninXiC wrote: That's not really an answer. That's like duke nukem forever.
There should be a timelime for this. They've told us that they'll finish wave 3 shipping after 8-12 weeks and that was in mid January...
And 12 weeks from mid-January is still two weeks away. I just got an alert that my freebies have shipped, and I went for "everything in one box" (TGG1), so I've got a bit to wait, but I'm not in desperate need for more figs to paint.
MadCowCrazy wrote: If I had one complain about this kickstarter it would be that they are aiming for too much. Just Sci Fi DE, Lust elves and Sisters would have been enough imo. Then stretch goals to unlock fantasy versions of everything once all the Sci Fi stuff was done.
But then fantasy people wouldn't back it... not until all those stretch goals were already unlocked. Or they'd back and then pull out a few days in when they weren't unlocked fast enough.
RoninXiC wrote: Only 7k yesterday! It's getting slower and slower
That's because most everyone who was interested jumped in at the beginning. I expect you'll see a lot of activity at the end as people finalize their pledges and begin to shuffle things around. Hopefully I'll be able to migrate to an EB Commander or Captain before it closes. I want to use these as my SoB force.
RoninXiC wrote: Only 7k yesterday! It's getting slower and slower
That's because most everyone who was interested jumped in at the beginning. I expect you'll see a lot of activity at the end as people finalize their pledges and begin to shuffle things around. Hopefully I'll be able to migrate to an EB Commander or Captain before it closes. I want to use these as my SoB force.
It's also in a really odd time and for much less time a lot of other quality KS are out at the moment.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Let's assume I want a minimal pledge of DotC and KotC (say a box of troops and a command each) how much does that run?
Would I be ok with a 95$ pledge? If I understand correctly, I only shell out the shipping charge when they are actually ready to ship?
And is it me... or is Santa Dolores almost the same concept art as Nertha the Faceless Mother?
Looks like that would be $88 and yes you do not pay shipping until you "check out" on the pledge manager. Keep in mind only 1 of those 4 boxes has unlocked so far though. I am looking forward to those same boxes.
also I agree Dolores looks very similar but I think it is just the tattered robes/cowl, arms spread pose. Not a whole lot you can do to change that.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Let's assume I want a minimal pledge of DotC and KotC (say a box of troops and a command each) how much does that run?
Would I be ok with a 95$ pledge? If I understand correctly, I only shell out the shipping charge when they are actually ready to ship?
And is it me... or is Santa Dolores almost the same concept art as Nertha the Faceless Mother?
Funny since I paid for shipping back in May / June last year and still have not got a single thing from my last pledge. I'm not sure whats going to happen now
Cathedral pauldrons? That is begging for an Xzibit joke. Sister Ardanna has really interesting concept art, but I wonder how difficult that armored cathedral would be to cast/ship to customers.
Well. I guess I'll throw a little more change at the pledge manager. There's a couple cool heroines now.
Posting the following TGG1 information because concerns have been expressed about TGG1 not completing.
Asked more about TGG1 and what's the status there along with a few more heralds. We got the following Info:
Everything is printed, casting is moving well. We received last week several videos from the foundry - this is how we first review the initial master casts for several models, and I believe we even received new physical prototypes in the mail yesterday for approval. The foundry is also currently casting the full volume of troops to fulfill the entire Kickstarter, and I've got new packers in every day assembling them in bags of 5... We also received 2 heavy boxes of metal to complete our Heroine casts. And I've got a couple of new people in to continue sorting and outputting the Rewards Selection that are becoming complete with the new shipments coming in.
Drivers are separate from the bikes and trikes
Connoisseur pledge: The last batch of the poured resin minis is being worked on now, i am awaiting the last few prototypes to give their go ahead.
We will then get a nice packaging for them, and ship that out. Nepharya 54mm and the Printed Art Book will be shipped out separately.
They're doing up a TGG1 backer update for near future release.
DarkTraveler777 wrote: Cathedral pauldrons? That is begging for an Xzibit joke. Sister Ardanna has really interesting concept art, but I wonder how difficult that armored cathedral would be to cast/ship to customers.
Possible she is in an alcove and that is part of the "background". Her cloak does seem to go between her pauldrons and the cathedral bits.
DarkTraveler777 wrote: Cathedral pauldrons? That is begging for an Xzibit joke. Sister Ardanna has really interesting concept art, but I wonder how difficult that armored cathedral would be to cast/ship to customers.
Possible she is in an alcove and that is part of the "background". Her cloak does seem to go between her pauldrons and the cathedral bits.
Yeah, that could be. Though her armor does look ornate enough elsewhere to justify the church-y bits, and the cathedral does have some resemblance to the power-pack backpacks Sisters of Battle wear, so my money is still on that church being part of the armor in some way.
This means that at this point in time, the complete Freebies Pack has officially increase in retail value to over $250. (Several of the already unveiled freebies are also part of this increase)
Does this even mean anything? It's just their arbitrary value they place on them. Does it also mean they will be more expensive to purchase outside of Lt Pledge?
I assuming their individual pricing will measure out to the KS/Retail value listed. ($250 retail) so expect a mix of $10/$15 and maybe some $20 heroines in the freebie pack. I can press for details if you can be more specific about what you'd like to know, but I doubt it's going to get much of a response till later in the KS.
So, here's a question: which (currently locked) miniatures are deal-breakers for you? By that I mean which are you going to require in order to commit to a pledge/not pull your pledge?
I am in for some infantry, but without the Avatar of Shaah or the Flesh Golems I don't think I can commit any more money.
Jimsolo wrote: So, here's a question: which (currently locked) miniatures are deal-breakers for you? By that I mean which are you going to require in order to commit to a pledge/not pull your pledge?
I am in for some infantry, but without the Avatar of Shaah or the Flesh Golems I don't think I can commit any more money.
I'm more in a situation of I cannot decide what I actually want. Initially I was only in for the Sisters, however seeing the concept art and the quality of the TGG1 miniatures I have seen, I now want 3 or 4 different smaller forces. I hope the following unlock
40k Sisters - terminator sisters
Dark elves - Hydra and chariot
Flesh elves for a Slaanesh based army - Avatar
Flesh elves for a haemonculis army - flesh golem.
I will not pull my money if some do not unlock, I will reallocate it else where. I also like the worm riders but I do not know what they could represent.
I'm in for one or two heroines and the daughters of the crucible command squad regardless, I have no doubt we'll hit the 265k mini stretch for that, and 4 "heroine" grade minis in that style for $22 is a steal. I'll add more for the KoC if they unlock. I'd go bigger, but my SoB army is huge already, and my wallet's kinda tight these last couple months.
Jimsolo wrote: So, here's a question: which (currently locked) miniatures are deal-breakers for you? By that I mean which are you going to require in order to commit to a pledge/not pull your pledge?
I am in for some infantry, but without the Avatar of Shaah or the Flesh Golems I don't think I can commit any more money.
Yeah it's a case of no avatar of shaah I'll struggle to justify it, mostly in for that and harpies, that and a bundle of freebies. The gap between retail price and KS price just isn't enough to justify throwing in huge amounts with how slow they are on actual delivery, so I just go for minimum buy in for maximum reward.
It is not fun to be robbed, but it is a little ironic to be thief of something that you could get on this kickstarter (sure it has not the same purpose).
Erty2100 wrote: I guess I am a little too rude, sorry Ronin.
It is not fun to be robbed, but it is a little ironic to be thief of something that you could get on this kickstarter (sure it has not the same purpose).
I think he means his real life motorcycle was stolen...which has nothing to do with any of these kickstarters. And Man..that suck ronin. you have our sympathies
I was thinking that I put a lot of money in this kickstarter; but when I see how fast the new pleadge are taken, I take confort in the fact that there are people crazier thant me
That was a nice solid bump this morning, lots of people moving up in a ripple effect I would imagine, the top lads and lasses jump to eminence, people at the next level below their prior who were considering grab their EB, and so forth till you have lowbies like me grabbing EB LT pledges (cept I didn't cause I don't have a use for that value in minis)
I (and others, I'm sure) am still looking forward to at least concepts of the Knights of the Chalice heavy armored 'Sisters' troopers. The once concept looks awesome, but the command group and other models haven't even been given an unlock point yet.
I would have thought we'd get the elite heavy units before the supergiant Greater Demons and Archangels.
I'm with a lot of you on wanting to see those heavily armored knights. Be they scifi or fantasy, they're what I'm looking most forward to.
Have they given any approximations on just how big that Avatar of Shaa will end up being other than the height chart mocukups? I'm wondering how big of base that thing is going to need, as it looks absolutely massive.
Confused with the mini updates. How can they have unlocks for the Sister's of the Crucible and Orphanage troopers when the kits are still locked and no unlock in sight?
Did I miss something?
Was hoping they would have had another cavalry unlock at 2200 backers.
silent25 wrote: Confused with the mini updates. How can they have unlocks for the Sister's of the Crucible and Orphanage troopers when the kits are still locked and no unlock in sight?
Did I miss something?
Was hoping they would have had another cavalry unlock at 2200 backers.
Pretty much my thoughts so far based on how the first Kickstarter went, and this project's current trends.
Just wait 'til the final day when it's all available and adjust your pledge then.
silent25 wrote: Confused with the mini updates. How can they have unlocks for the Sister's of the Crucible and Orphanage troopers when the kits are still locked and no unlock in sight?
I asked about this before I even opened Dakka. The last All Star unlocks were for the command kits, but these are clearly for the Troopers. I'll let you know when I hear back.
I'd be interested opinions on which figure, if any, would be a good proxy for a Sister Dialogus. I don't like the sex doll mouth and all the parchment hanging all over the GW figure.
I'm thinking Sol Sarya with a new staff, but I'm holding out for a freebie that has the right look, since RH appears to be making a proxy for almost all of the former Hereticus and Sororitas figures.
I see less sex doll and more really annoying know it all geek who is the hall monitor all the time
"Rule 5.5 of the sisters battle compendium vol 3 verion 6.2 says no running in the hall unless there's a class5-9 demon incursion on a planet less then 10.2 parsec away...I can report you you know!!"
Dr Mathias wrote: I'd be interested opinions on which figure, if any, would be a good proxy for a Sister Dialogus. I don't like the sex doll mouth and all the parchment hanging all over the GW figure.
But she is so CUUUUUTE!
Spoiler:
The main problem is that parchment is so hard to paint right!
rayphoton wrote: I see less sex doll and more really annoying know it all geek who is the hall monitor all the time
"Rule 5.5 of the sisters battle compendium vol 3 verion 6.2 says no running in the hall unless there's a class5-9 demon incursion on a planet less then 10.2 parsec away...I can report you you know!!"
I am legit excited that the avatar of shaah is gonn unlock. she looks like a beauty to paint. I will have my demon leader for my hot chaos army after all. 40+ deamonettes here I come!!!
I think it is a 'lost in translation' issue with the DotC extra.
it says
Sisters CG the trooper box now contains 4 multi part troopers all different
+1 extra daughter.
I believe they mean
Sisters Command Group (CG)
the box now contains 4 (3+1 previous reward) multi part MINIS all different
+1 extra daughter. (total of 5 now)
Quite excited now the angels have been unlocked, here's hoping the mounted cavalry are as well.
Strange I came for the Sisters alternatives and ended up preferring the fantasy version to use for KoW. Still might pick up the Davidians they look nice.
I'm currently only in for the $15 dollar pledge level, and the description doesn't mention anything about getting the free upgrades, but the descriptions of the upgrade stretch goals doesn't say anything about them being only limited to the 'LIEUTENANT BOX' pledges and above either.
So basically I'm wondering if the free upgrade unlocks apply to everyone who buys that respective item, or just the higher value pledgers?
I'm currently only in for the $15 dollar pledge level, and the description doesn't mention anything about getting the free upgrades, but the descriptions of the upgrade stretch goals doesn't say anything about them being only limited to the 'LIEUTENANT BOX' pledges and above either.
So basically I'm wondering if the free upgrade unlocks apply to everyone who buys that respective item, or just the higher value pledgers?
"Freebies" are free for lieutenant levels and higher, and available as add-ons/options to purchase as part of any pledge, by my understanding.
And yeah, I'm hoping this is one of those concepts that get revisited later on. Really uninspiring pose on this last freebie unlock.
I'm currently only in for the $15 dollar pledge level, and the description doesn't mention anything about getting the free upgrades, but the descriptions of the upgrade stretch goals doesn't say anything about them being only limited to the 'LIEUTENANT BOX' pledges and above either.
So basically I'm wondering if the free upgrade unlocks apply to everyone who buys that respective item, or just the higher value pledgers?
"Freebies" are free for lieutenant levels and higher, and available as add-ons/options to purchase as part of any pledge, by my understanding.
And yeah, I'm hoping this is one of those concepts that get revisited later on. Really uninspiring pose on this last freebie unlock.
~iPaint
I'm not talking about the freebies, i meant the 'free upgrades' - they are listed as separate things in the pledge description:
"Early Bird - LIEUTENANT BOX (a $263 retail value & $200+ retail value Freebies!)
Choose $175 worth of any TGG2 minis + get the Digital Artbook + ALL FREEBIES and FREE UPGRADES!"
e.g
there is a current stretch goal @ $615k that gives an extra model to the 'Daughters of the Crucible' command squad - if someone buys a squad of these at the lower pledge level (eg $15 like me), will they get the extra model? or is it only the 'LIEUTENANT BOX' pledges and above that get it?
keltikhoa wrote: I think it is a 'lost in translation' issue with the DotC extra.
it says
Sisters CG the trooper box now contains 4 multi part troopers all different
+1 extra daughter.
I believe they mean
Sisters Command Group (CG)
the box now contains 4 (3+1 previous reward) multi part MINIS all different
+1 extra daughter. (total of 5 now)
I am still waiting for a response on that. As it stands now the Daughters of the Crucible Command are a 4 girl box, I am trying to get confirmation on what's up with the 615k bonus, but *shrug*
I'm currently only in for the $15 dollar pledge level, and the description doesn't mention anything about getting the free upgrades, but the descriptions of the upgrade stretch goals doesn't say anything about them being only limited to the 'LIEUTENANT BOX' pledges and above either.
So basically I'm wondering if the free upgrade unlocks apply to everyone who buys that respective item, or just the higher value pledgers?
All of the upgrades apply specifically to the ITEM. They are not separate in and of themselves like the freebies. So if you buy a heroine and there was a "bonus" unlock for her for an alternate head and weapon, that alt gear is just a part of her kit now. If I buy the same heroine in a blister at retail she'll still have that alt gear. So for the Daughters of the Crucible, if you presently buy the command squad, it contains four Daughters (inc. commander), if we're lucky it might be a five girl box. When it hits retail it'll still be a four or five girl box.
I'm currently only in for the $15 dollar pledge level, and the description doesn't mention anything about getting the free upgrades, but the descriptions of the upgrade stretch goals doesn't say anything about them being only limited to the 'LIEUTENANT BOX' pledges and above either.
So basically I'm wondering if the free upgrade unlocks apply to everyone who buys that respective item, or just the higher value pledgers?
All of the upgrades apply specifically to the ITEM. They are not separate in and of themselves like the freebies. So if you buy a heroine and there was a "bonus" unlock for her for an alternate head and weapon, that alt gear is just a part of her kit now. If I buy the same heroine in a blister at retail she'll still have that alt gear. So for the Daughters of the Crucible, if you presently buy the command squad, it contains four Daughters (inc. commander), if we're lucky it might be a five girl box. When it hits retail it'll still be a four or five girl box.
Thanks for that. I assumed that's what it was, but couldn't see it stated officially anywhere.
So, we're in the last couple of days of the lull and there's still 63 items to unlock (64 if you include the $600k unlock), 11 of which are still just black silhouettes rather than full art work.
The campaign made $17k yesterday, so if we assume it makes the same again today and tomorrow, that'll get us to ~$630k, leaving it needing $600k in the final two days. Now, I know the last two days can get crazy, but I don't think it'll get that crazy due to the sheer number of things that still need unlocking.
Personally, just over 40% of what I've got in my list is unlocked and there's only one other thing in the list of unlocks shown so far that's on there.
I'm sure more of it will be unlocked, but I'm not sure that without intervention from RH we'll see everything unlocked. Though what would be nice, would be a longer list of unlock targets so that people can see what they're after is at least on the road map.
I'm currently only in for the $15 dollar pledge level, and the description doesn't mention anything about getting the free upgrades, but the descriptions of the upgrade stretch goals doesn't say anything about them being only limited to the 'LIEUTENANT BOX' pledges and above either.
So basically I'm wondering if the free upgrade unlocks apply to everyone who buys that respective item, or just the higher value pledgers?
The upgrades (where different weapons heads etc are added to figures) are available to everybody in the KS, they just bolt extra bits onto the sprues
The 15 freebie figures are just for the lieutenant pledge and over
Ya. Not sure why they've separated so many characters into 2 stretch goals, one for scifi and one for fantasy. Most of the concept art to me looks like it would be easy to just make a generic body for the characters and add swords and such for a fantasy option and guns for the scifi. Indeed, most of the concept art shows pretty much the exact same character having to be unlocked twice. This wouldnt work for troops since it appears to me RH intends to add quite a few specialized bits for, say, crossbow troops vs. spear troops.
this to me is the most artificial part of the campaign. Seriously, does any really see anything all that different befween the majority of heroes? If theyd done it this way pretty much all the base characters would have been unlocked by now and then wecould have worked on bits/customization stretch goals after that added, for example, more fantasy pouches and books and weapons, along with more scifi guns and bits of high tech equipment.
they spend enough time and effort fiddling with things that I think separate unlocks are justified (if annoying)
and they clearly have a plan to unlock what they want to when they want to rather than actually using (visible) targets so I don't think that woulc change anyway
Rohok wrote: I pledged for lieutenant, may throw down more money soon. Anyone know how the pledge manager works? Do they send us a link when the KS is over?
Yep. If they do it like last time, it'll be set up in an online shopping cart format, with your data already in it, so you can select your reward or add more if you wish.
Rohok wrote: I pledged for lieutenant, may throw down more money soon. Anyone know how the pledge manager works? Do they send us a link when the KS is over?
Reading all the blurb on KS, I think it will be a case of the pledge manager stays open whilst tthey at least reach render stage with each concept...meaning you can buy more over a longer period of time than a normal pledge manager.....but I could be wrong!
It wasn't open for that long last time. They wanted to get people locked in early. Though it was reopened for everyone at the end of the year, and it was always possible to contact them if you wanted to make a change.
This time it sounds like it's going to be more open, in the same style of the Mierce pledge manager. Though they've not said when things will be removed from availability, so it may be possible to order a box of some troops, pay the shipping, and then decide to add more on in a later shipping wave.
I'm interested in this KS, but not interested in following any of the details via their page or updates since they seem to be an absolute clusterfeth of scratchy concept art, and a ridiculously confusing number of stretch goals that appear to make no sense.
I don't usually pay attention to this stuff, either. I just go along and save my analysis for the last day. It comes down to, "Is this worth my money or not?" If so, I adjust my pledge as desired. If not, I cancel my pledge. Anything happening before then is noise I tend to tune out.
Update 12: New Freebie + 3D Prints + New Sisters' Backgrounds & Poster + New Images + Unlocks Logic + Heavy Weapons Design + Avatars + Beasts of War Webcast + more...
I like the first knight picture if for no other reason than she has three barrels to her arm gun and is saying Feth you GW I have a triple linked bolter .
BrookM wrote: Why is a person in terminator armour dancing? Why?
Those burning pyramids coming out the backpacks - those are the latest generation of Bose speakers for the suit's inbuilt MP3 players. And once you have the funk blasting, no piddly suit of armour's going to stop you from boogying on down.
I'm interested in this KS, but not interested in following any of the details via their page or updates since they seem to be an absolute clusterfeth of scratchy concept art, and a ridiculously confusing number of stretch goals that appear to make no sense.
I think I can drag myself from my ennui long enough to crunch some numbers.
Also, for those worried about things not getting unlocked, it's worth pointing out that in the first campaign, as we neared the end, they simply unlocked items without them being associated with specific stretch goals. Though they then did have a big splash at the end. I'm not sure I foresee this particular campaign having the explosive finale (though time will tell), as there are a lot of factors that go into that, not all of which apply to a second campaign.
They've spent too much money (wink) on that concept art for it to have to wait three years to be used. Because at that point a Chinese factory might simply steal the concept and churn them out cheap. (That statement makes sense in my head, I might have to deconstruct it though)
Raging Heroes have a really hard time making credible running poses. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. You don't want to sculpt a real running pose either, because they look like gak. After every race, they offer to sell you pictures of you during the race... they all look horrible. It took me 8 years to find one I was sorta looking ok on.
Two for one on the freebies today, though personally I'm not fond of either of them.
Also talk about a new pledge level coming Monday, with more EB slots. Expect it to cost quite a bit as it's going on the top end of the current pledge levels.
There's also talk about addons coming later today, in another update. So I'd expect more hand poured resin options, and maybe some larger scale figures, as we saw last campaign.
Tobias is top of the list for an extra order from the freebies assuming they allow that again. On account of it looking shockingly like our little house bunny (minus the horns and wings obviously), which means it will inevitably get stolen by she who must be obeyed and I want one too.
Vlad can sit in the 'will probably never be painted' box along with the ugly bulldog from the first one.
Eh. Freebies are freebies. If they were meant to entice, I feel some of them are off the mark, but most of the pledgers were already way above Lt pledges, so I doubt very much that was the crux of their pledging.
Raging Heroes have a really hard time making credible running poses. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. You don't want to sculpt a real running pose either, because they look like gak.
Exactly!
Most 'dynamic' poses end up looking like garbage...
Jimsolo wrote: Yeah, the freebies the first time around were pretty sweet, but so far these have all been pretty lackluster.
I disagree completely, the ones this campaign have been far better imo. Last campaign had some good ones but a lot of tank operators and lulus and stuff that were a bit pants, all these look good apart from the mascots imo.
I prefer a static pose like Belial's to one that looks almost impossible given the armour being worn. As for the freebies - it's honestly hard to tell because the concept art is so scratchy. Much scratchier than last time, or so it seems to be at least. I think they had more renders last time as well. Given how good the Incubi look, I'm hoping that these ones will look good in the end.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: I just realized that in French, the Templar heroine's name can loosely be translated as "Who is she useful to?" which can also be a sexual innuendo.
Which one do you mean?
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Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: I like the terminator sisters and I will pledge if/when they are unlocked. When is the last day for pledging btw?
They are basically guaranteed to be unlocked now, only $14k to go for them. Kickstarter ends on Wed, Apr 8 at 5:59 PM EDT.
Well. I'm getting what I want out of this KS, for a little more money then I wanted by a few bucks. Daughters and Knights, and I'll probably grab a heroine or two at the pledge manager...
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. But do not, if you are under 18, right?
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