Dentry wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I thought the point of that was fooling confirmed suckers into thinking it was safe to drop more money on another Raging Heroes campaign?

Isn't anyone putting money into the second campaign a confirmed sucker? Or is that title only unlocked once the charge goes through?

I certainly feel as though dumping money into this constitutes an unwise investment.

 Alpharius wrote:
I guess I'm just crazy for thinking that, given all that...happened...during the last campaign, a $150+ buy in here is necessary to get your 'thanks'.

 BlackTalos wrote:
Was that discussed in another Topic i can get a link to?

Curiosity is one of my sins.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:
Was that discussed in another Topic i can get a link to?

Curiosity is one of my sins.

Link.

Is there more of a description than "backer's anger and frustration" ?

What was so...... umm..... *Bad* last time?

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
I do have on complaint though, the pictures show all the special weapons by themselves but when you actually get the weapon it's attached to an arm. I'm sure there are some casting reasons behind it or whatever but I though all the weapons would be separate pieces so I could easily swap them with other stuff. Now I have to carve out the arm if I want to switch the TGG Fusion Gun for a GW Melta Gun.

 rayphoton wrote:

Is there more of a description than "backer's anger and frustration" ?

What was so...... umm..... *Bad* last time?

Heres the short time line of it all

-Awesome miniature campaign drops and we all pitch in.
-French company is french and seeing all the money there making put up ridiculous stretch goals.
-As with all Kickstartes funds stall out and seeing their SG are not going be reached French company just randomly changes entire campaign proving that everything was gonna be released anyway and that they are just greedy.
-Backers start to get annoyed.
-Design changes start to happen for no reason.
-Lies about how they are almoat (80%) done are thrown out,
-French company is snide to legitimate questions and concerns
-Backers start to be concerne
-Campaign ends....French h company stops talking to everyone . Any people on fb that point this out are immediately unfrienden or blocked
-Backers start to get aggravated
-Over the next 3 years sporadic updates, change to design and completely ignoring questions cause backers to grow into a bitter cesspool of accusations anger and internet mockery
-French company is French and ignores all this
-Less than half of the backers start to get their stuff....slowly.....very slowly
-NEW KS IS ANNOUNCED!!!!!! half the backers still have seen nothing
-Backers start new forum and heap derision on new campaign
-Free miniature is offers to disgruntled backers of original campaign in an attempt to rebuild good will......provided you give them 150 dollars first....Angy backers with no miniatures are angry
-French company is french and think they are super Generous
-You ask your question

Anyone want to improve on this..please go ahead

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
I don't see why people are complaining about not getting miniatures yet, if you haven't received any it's because you chose to have them all sent at the same time.

 BlackTalos wrote:


But do you get enough "weapon arms" for the options?

So, squad of 5, 5 "normal weapons" with arms and then 1 of each special, with arm? So 5 torsos but 10 right hand (left hand) arms?

If the only issue if cutting to use GW weapons, that's absolutely fine by me.

Spoiler:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Took a pic to show what I mean as I know some people still wouldn't understand my explanation

Very large pic

RoninXiC wrote:
Broken :(

 rayphoton wrote:

Is there more of a description than "backer's anger and frustration" ?

What was so...... umm..... *Bad* last time?

Heres the short time line of it all

-Awesome miniature campaign drops and we all pitch in.
-French company is french and seeing all the money there making put up ridiculous stretch goals.
-As with all Kickstartes funds stall out and seeing their SG are not going be reached French company just randomly changes entire campaign proving that everything was gonna be released anyway and that they are just greedy.
-Backers start to get annoyed.
-Design changes start to happen for no reason.
-Lies about how they are almoat (80%) done are thrown out,
-French company is snide to legitimate questions and concerns
-Backers start to be concerne
-Campaign ends....French h company stops talking to everyone . Any people on fb that point this out are immediately unfrienden or blocked
-Backers start to get aggravated
-Over the next 3 years sporadic updates, change to design and completely ignoring questions cause backers to grow into a bitter cesspool of accusations anger and internet mockery
-French company is French and ignores all this
-Less than half of the backers start to get their stuff....slowly.....very slowly
-NEW KS IS ANNOUNCED!!!!!! half the backers still have seen nothing
-Backers start new forum and heap derision on new campaign
-Free miniature is offers to disgruntled backers of original campaign in an attempt to rebuild good will......provided you give them 150 dollars first....Angy backers with no miniatures are angry
-French company is french and think they are super Generous
-You ask your question

Anyone want to improve on this..please go ahead

 obleeke wrote:
Was it really necessary to point out so many times that RH is a French company? I think we have seen disappointing kickstarters from all around...

 BrookM wrote:
Also, it's been two years, not three.


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 obleeke wrote:
Was it really necessary to point out so many times that RH is a French company? I think we have seen disappointing kickstarters from all around...

Probably because he's an American and American's need to remind everybody where they're from, which is America, where Americans come from. In America.

 rayphoton wrote:

Is there more of a description than "backer's anger and frustration" ?

What was so...... umm..... *Bad* last time?

Heres the short time line of it all

-Awesome miniature campaign drops and we all pitch in.
-French company is french and seeing all the money there making put up ridiculous stretch goals.
-As with all Kickstartes funds stall out and seeing their SG are not going be reached French company just randomly changes entire campaign proving that everything was gonna be released anyway and that they are just greedy.
-Backers start to get annoyed.
-Design changes start to happen for no reason.
-Lies about how they are almoat (80%) done are thrown out,
-French company is snide to legitimate questions and concerns
-Backers start to be concerne
-Campaign ends....French h company stops talking to everyone . Any people on fb that point this out are immediately unfrienden or blocked
-Backers start to get aggravated
-Over the next 2 years sporadic updates, change to design and completely ignoring questions cause backers to grow into a bitter cesspool of accusations anger and internet mockery
-French company is French and ignores all this
-Less than half of the backers start to get their stuff....slowly.....very slowly
-NEW KS IS ANNOUNCED!!!!!! half the backers still have seen nothing
-Backers start new forum and heap derision on new campaign
-Free miniature is offers to disgruntled backers of original campaign in an attempt to rebuild good will......provided you give them 150 dollars first....Angy backers with no miniatures are angry
-French company is french and think they are super Generous
-You ask your question

Anyone want to improve on this..please go ahead

 BlackTalos wrote:
Actually, from your picture, it looks like (from left to right) Weaponised arms 1 3 4 and 5 seem like they could easily be separated.

You only need 1 or 2 to swap for GW gear though right?

[ED] Pictures work for me

 Jimsolo wrote:
Hmm. So when it goes live, what do you suppose would be the fastest way to navigate to it? If I remember the first one, the Early Bird pledges vanished pretty dang quick.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Holy gak, all the early birds disappeared.

prankster wrote:
Same here, though there's more LT EBs up for another $2 now.

 BrookM wrote:
I am genuinely surprised that it's going so fast again.

BrookM wrote:I am genuinely surprised that it's going so fast again.

Absolutionis wrote:It may just be people sitting on their pledges before making a decision. I doubt they everyone time to read the whole thing and look at pictures before hopping onto the early birds

 Jimsolo wrote:
I got in on the first set, but now I'm thinking I got lucky.

 BrookM wrote:
And I see nothing of interest to pledge on. So, the world has become a little bit brighter today.

We have learned quite a lot from our first Kickstarter, The Toughest Girls for the Galaxy. It was successful beyond our wildest expectations. This forced us to grow and adapt at a very fast pace. We made some errors along the way, but we're only stronger for it. With that experience under our belt, we have redesigned every single process of our workflow: the creative work, the manufacturing, the logistics, etc. So we can confidently say that we are much better prepared this time, whatever size this TGG2 KS ends up at.

Overall, the only problem we had on our previous Kickstarter was the delay in production. This was due to our underestimating the success of the TGG KS, and to our overeagerness to achieve excellence, which led to redo a lot of our sculpting.

However, the vast majority of our backers feel extremely pleased with the way we handled this, and praised us on keeping our focus on quality rather than speed.

Nevertheless, we have now put in place new workflows and processes to streamline the creative as,well as the production work.

That being said, when you back a Kickstarter, you embark on a great adventure. You get a unique chance to ride side-by-side with the project's creators, and see from the inside how a project is brought to life. This can be very thrilling as new stuff comes along, and better than expected results are achieved. But as in every adventure, the sea does get rough sometimes. By being a backer, not only do you get to get a feel for the highs and lows the project creators must live through. You get a very real opportunity to celebrate the wins, but also, to support the morale of the project team and make a difference when things are challenging.

Kickstarters are projects in development. They are not pre-order shops where the unknown doesn’t have its place.
You might not want to take part in an expedition that may include risks and delays and a little bit of rough seas, and this is all well with us.
We cannot guaranty anything except that we'll do our best just like we did in our previous KS.

But if you don't mind a little drizzle and you want to live the adventure together with us and be part of the creation of something great, if you want a bit of the unknown and watch new sculpts and characters as they come to life, if you love to experience unexpected good turns, great art and the companionship of an amazing band of backers, then do come aboard, we are setting sails!

prankster wrote:
A few of the things look interesting enough to stay in for now. Nice that there's at least a few renders scattered in with the concept work. Just need to see the rest of them.

We're also, $75k beyond the last ($90k) stretch goal that was included on the page. Do we reckon that they're going to fiddle with the SG interval again whilst the rush is going on, or will they actually stick to $10k intervals?

 Rayvon wrote:
Damn missed the early birds i was after !!

Seeing as I missed the early birds and I still have not received the stuff from their last kickstarter, two years ago, I think i will give this one a miss, my wallet will thank me.

 Breotan wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Damn missed the early birds i was after !!

Seeing as I missed the early birds and I still have not received the stuff from their last kickstarter, two years ago, I think i will give this one a miss, my wallet will thank me.

Pledge a buck. On the last day, some eb spots will open as people lock in their final pledges or drop out. By then you should have the freebies from the previous is and can decide if you wish to support or not, without losing anything.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
They use some sort of spin cast-able resin (no, not finecast) which is very defiantly not restic (PVC) as used by PP/Sedition Wars/Early Mantic/Relic Knights KS etc)

it's holds the detail better (pretty much identical to the metal) and is easier to clean up,

(I also suspect it will have the same vulnerability to dropping as FW resin, but have not tried it)

I got a fair amount of metal last time round, but this time I suspect I will go mainly for the spin-cast resin

 Absolutionis wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Damn missed the early birds i was after !!

Seeing as I missed the early birds and I still have not received the stuff from their last kickstarter, two years ago, I think i will give this one a miss, my wallet will thank me.

Pledge a buck. On the last day, some eb spots will open as people lock in their final pledges or drop out. By then you should have the freebies from the previous is and can decide if you wish to support or not, without losing anything.

What do you gain from pledging $1 rather than just holding off completely until the last day?

 Absolutionis wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Damn missed the early birds i was after !!

Seeing as I missed the early birds and I still have not received the stuff from their last kickstarter, two years ago, I think i will give this one a miss, my wallet will thank me.

Pledge a buck. On the last day, some eb spots will open as people lock in their final pledges or drop out. By then you should have the freebies from the previous is and can decide if you wish to support or not, without losing anything.

What do you gain from pledging $1 rather than just holding off completely until the last day?

The Game

We've now been working for quite some time on our miniatures game project. We were hoping to be able to include a first version in this Kickstarter, but we ran out of time, and we don't want to show you something that is half-baked. But here are key points that we can already share with you:

The feel of the game will be very cinematic.

The scenarios will revolve mainly around main characters whom you will choose as Heroes for your army. These Heroes may be high or low-ranking. But your main characters won't be able to attain their goals without the active participation of their Troops and Support.

The game will be highly scalable. You will be able to handle confrontations between just 2 minis, as well as between massive armies.

The action will be fast-paced and full of panache, and your Toughest Girls will have to show what they're really made of to shine on the battlefield.

The game will have components not usually associated with tabletop wargaming, such as bluff, negotiations, and more...

Our goal is to make you feel as if you were smack in the middle of your favourite blockbuster or TV series.

By the way, if you are wondering how to pick your minis to be ready for the TGG tabletop game, don't worry about this too much: we all hate those games where you can never play your favourite cool-looking mini because of her lousy stats! Our list-building system will allow you tons of versatility so that you can play exactly the minis that you like.

 pretre wrote:
So from the previous KS, is there any reason to get the troopers as opposed to the command? I.e. Does the command have all the bits from the troopers PLUS the command bits or are they different?

Like, if I wanted to make a 5 girl BSS squad, I need 2 heavies/specials and a sergeant. Seems like Command is the way to go.

 Jimsolo wrote:
I thought the upgrades were indeed different.

 pretre wrote:
So from the previous KS, is there any reason to get the troopers as opposed to the command? I.e. Does the command have all the bits from the troopers PLUS the command bits or are they different?

Like, if I wanted to make a 5 girl BSS squad, I need 2 heavies/specials and a sergeant. Seems like Command is the way to go.

 BlackTalos wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So from the previous KS, is there any reason to get the troopers as opposed to the command? I.e. Does the command have all the bits from the troopers PLUS the command bits or are they different?

Like, if I wanted to make a 5 girl BSS squad, I need 2 heavies/specials and a sergeant. Seems like Command is the way to go.

Yeah, i'd say "body" poses are different, heads etc too.

So getting 1 of each would provide flexibility, etc. only if you want more than 5... if just 5 then yeah, i'd go Command Squad =)

 AlexHolker wrote:
An easy pass. The prices are just as ridiculous as last time, but the concept art's incoherent.

 pretre wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
I thought the upgrades were indeed different.

Anyone confirm? It'd be nice if we could see exactly what we're getting rather than just the glamour shots.

 pretre wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So from the previous KS, is there any reason to get the troopers as opposed to the command? I.e. Does the command have all the bits from the troopers PLUS the command bits or are they different?

Like, if I wanted to make a 5 girl BSS squad, I need 2 heavies/specials and a sergeant. Seems like Command is the way to go.

Yeah, i'd say "body" poses are different, heads etc too.

So getting 1 of each would provide flexibility, etc. only if you want more than 5... if just 5 then yeah, i'd go Command Squad =)

So just doing math:
6 BSS Squads (5 girls, 3 Bolter, 2 Special, 1 Sgt)
3 Dominions (4 Special, 1 Sgt)
3 Retributor Squads (4 Special, 1 Sgt)

Pretty much my max MSU. Works out to 12 bolters, 12 Sgts, 36 Special/Heavies. 60 Girls. 60 Girls is 12 Command Squads, which only gets you 24 Specials, 12 Sgts, 24 Bolters. I figure converting is a thing though...


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 AlexHolker wrote:
An easy pass. The prices are just as ridiculous as last time, but the concept art's incoherent.

Yeah, the individual sculpt characters are a bit spendy. The troops are nice and cheap though.


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I'd really like to see some test minis before I finalize my pledge though. What am I getting into? lol

RoninXiC wrote:
Still no update... so first sign that nothing has changed...

 BlackTalos wrote:
Unless you play 20-BSS with Jacobus =P

 BlackTalos wrote:
Wait, what?

The regular BSS trooper command group is a stretch goal??

 rayphoton wrote:

Is there more of a description than "backer's anger and frustration" ?
What was so...... umm..... *Bad* last time?

Heres the short time line of it all

-Awesome miniature campaign drops and we all pitch in.
-French company is french and seeing all the money there making put up ridiculous stretch goals.
-As with all Kickstartes funds stall out and seeing their SG are not going be reached French company just randomly changes entire campaign proving that everything was gonna be released anyway and that they are just greedy.

 pretre wrote:
Long story short, you could do a standard SOB army for the Commander box.

 BlackTalos wrote:
Daughters of the Crucible (the ones being moaned about) don't seem to have a 40K sub do they?

If anything, i'd say the first Project was almost only "Guard Count-as", whereas this one is much more "Our own stuff, with some 40k usage, possibly"

 Buzzsaw wrote:
Heh, am I the only person that finds it amusing that the "Digital Art Book" is the pledge reward for most of the lower level pledges, when that's still MIA from their previous campaign?

 Buzzsaw wrote:
Heh, am I the only person that finds it amusing that the "Digital Art Book" is the pledge reward for most of the lower level pledges, when that's still MIA from their previous campaign?

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Is it just me or has the Raging Heroes team been hanging out with the guys from Kingdom Death?
Some of these concept minis are creepy as hell!

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Is it just me or has the Raging Heroes team been hanging out with the guys from Kingdom Death?
Some of these concept minis are creepy as hell!

RoninXiC wrote:
70k and 310k are the same minis -_-

RoninXiC wrote:
Both say fantasy and both are exactly the same. Probably just uploaded the wrong picture.

No idea why they haven ot done an update...

 JoeRugby wrote:
I'm tempted by a couple of the heroes.

This or the new deadzone kickstarter choices choices

 pretre wrote:

 JoeRugby wrote:
I'm tempted by a couple of the heroes.

This or the new deadzone kickstarter choices choices

Why not both? 

That's what I'm doing. Although I'm really thinking I'm only going to get a couple heroes out of this the more I contemplate. Replacing my entire SOB army is just too much work.

 Haljin wrote:
So uh, what's the special TGG1 backer mini?

UPDATE #1 - A Big Thank You + Meet the first Freebie

Dear Backers,

Once again, you totally blew us away!

Once again, you were so fast that we could not keep up the pace to unlock the stretch goals (and god know this time we had prepared all this in advance!).

This is totally awesome, and we cannot thank you enough for your support!

To let you behind the scenes, we should tell you that as we are writing this, we've all been up for over 48 hours... So, to be sure to give you the best possible Kickstarter, we're now going to go and grab a little bit of rest Only Charlie will stay behind for a bit to reply to a few questions and messages.

Tomorrow, we will start sharing with you the background stories of our dear TGG, we'll explain stuff like the “all star boxes”, and we 'll be there to answer more questions.

In the meantime, let me introduce you to Sister Celenia, a sister scout. She is the first freebie you'll get with your pledge. You'll be able to use her in a fantasy or a sci-fi army as there will be an option to transform her pistol into a crossbow.

The Sisters prefer to use the term “scout” but in fact these girls mainly act as assassins...

---

Also, if you took some time to study the front page earlier today, you'll be in for a bit of a good surprise when you go back now! Indeed, when we prepared all the images for the front page, for some strange reason, it was the Art Director who ended up doing some of the math for the pricing of the minis. As it turned out, he mistakenly inflated some of them. This has now been corrected, so this may even be a bit of good news for you

On another topic, since the Kickstarter is already going so fast, you'll be happy to know that there are more stretch goals that do not even appear as silhouettes on the front page yet... Rest assured that we still have got some pretty wicked stuff left to show.

Asharah Raging said on facebook regarding the all star box that is "a special box, with not only very special troopers that are very similar to a band of heroines, but also which starts with 3 minis and will upgrade with more minis during the campaign, depending on how it goes, we'll give more details in an update"

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
I'm one of the top 10 backers for the first TGG kickstarter.
I don't see why people are complaining about not getting miniatures yet, if you haven't received any it's because you chose to have them all sent at the same time.
They can't send your package before all the miniatures are produced and if you think that's bad you are quite deluded.

 GiraffeX wrote:
I like quite a lot of the minis, some are just draw dropping.

Absolutionis wrote:It's only a little weird that the Blood Vestals are a stretch goal considering they've been out for about a year on the RH main site.

BrookM wrote:Easy fellows, let's keep out of each others hair and start the fun after the campaign is done okay?

 Haljin wrote:

BrookM wrote:Easy fellows, let's keep out of each others hair and start the fun after the campaign is done okay?

But, but... This ride is never ends.

 -iPaint- wrote:
The first freebie is actually the first model I really like - it's not overly stylized and would work well for either genre.

~iPaint

 Haljin wrote:

 -iPaint- wrote:
The first freebie is actually the first model I really like - it's not overly stylized and would work well for either genre.

~iPaint

Same here. I don't recall from the last campaign, since I got the for free, but you could purchase freebies as add-ons right?

 Dr Mathias wrote:
This seems like a stupid question but I'm going to ask anyway because there's so much information on the KS page, and lots of overlap...

Are there any 'Exclusives'- that won't be available later via retail?

 pretre wrote:
Question for people from campaign one. How bad was shipping for the small pledges? (Say $50-100 levels)

prankster wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Question for people from campaign one. How bad was shipping for the small pledges? (Say $50-100 levels)

It was flat rate last time, other than the one pledge that included shipping. So $20 to EU or $23 to the USA.

 pretre wrote:

prankster wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Question for people from campaign one. How bad was shipping for the small pledges? (Say $50-100 levels)

It was flat rate last time, other than the one pledge that included shipping. So $20 to EU or $23 to the USA.

Ugh. That may kill even my limited pledge. $23 shipping for $50 in minis?

prankster wrote:

 pretre wrote:

prankster wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Question for people from campaign one. How bad was shipping for the small pledges? (Say $50-100 levels)

It was flat rate last time, other than the one pledge that included shipping. So $20 to EU or $23 to the USA.

Ugh. That may kill even my limited pledge. $23 shipping for $50 in minis?

It might be different this time, but given that it's going to be charged after the campaign and as and when things are ready to ship (12+ months away) it's probably safer to over estimate what shipping is going to cost.

RoninXiC wrote:
The Lust Elves definately have the best concept art... really tempting.

timd wrote:

RoninXiC wrote:
The Lust Elves definately have the best concept art... really tempting.

LOL "Lust Elves.... tempting"

Really?

Shipping Information – Important

From our experience with our previous Kickstarter, we have created a new shipping system:

The shipping fees will be collected AFTER the Kickstarter, during the Pledge Manager. The Pledge Manager is the tool that we use so that you can tell us which minis you want.

As new Rewards become available to ship, you will get to choose if you want them right away or wait for more to be produced before getting a shipment. This way, you decide exactly how many shipments you get, how often, and how much you spend on shipping.

Therefore, the shipping fees will be collected after the Kickstarter, each time you ask us to send you a parcel.

As a rough estimate, to-date, shipping the content of a Captain Box costs about $12 to ship to France, $22 to ship to the European Union, $28 to ship for the rest of the world.

While there is a very strong chance that you will receive all of your Rewards way before they become available at retail, there is always a possibility that some TGG2 minis go on sale before then, especially if you choose to save on Shipping costs and wait for ALL the TGG2 minis to be produced before receiving your Rewards Selection. We believe that the very special deal, the Freebies, and the exclusive content we provide with the TGG2 KS largely compensates for this slight possibility. However, if you are not comfortable with this, please do not back this KS and wait for the TGG2 to be available at retail.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
this is what they say about shipping

Shipping Information – Important

From our experience with our previous Kickstarter, we have created a new shipping system:

The shipping fees will be collected AFTER the Kickstarter, during the Pledge Manager. The Pledge Manager is the tool that we use so that you can tell us which minis you want.

As new Rewards become available to ship, you will get to choose if you want them right away or wait for more to be produced before getting a shipment. This way, you decide exactly how many shipments you get, how often, and how much you spend on shipping.

Therefore, the shipping fees will be collected after the Kickstarter, each time you ask us to send you a parcel.

As a rough estimate, to-date, shipping the content of a Captain Box costs about $12 to ship to France, $22 to ship to the European Union, $28 to ship for the rest of the world.

While there is a very strong chance that you will receive all of your Rewards way before they become available at retail, there is always a possibility that some TGG2 minis go on sale before then, especially if you choose to save on Shipping costs and wait for ALL the TGG2 minis to be produced before receiving your Rewards Selection. We believe that the very special deal, the Freebies, and the exclusive content we provide with the TGG2 KS largely compensates for this slight possibility. However, if you are not comfortable with this, please do not back this KS and wait for the TGG2 to be available at retail.

no mention of Dropships (I don't think it was a success last time, too few stores signed up, and I think some of those that did dropped out or had ceased to exist by the time they were needed)

prankster wrote:
Regarding the All Stars boxes, this just popped up in the KS comments:

Asharah Raging said on facebook regarding the all star box that is "a special box, with not only very special troopers that are very similar to a band of heroines, but also which starts with 3 minis and will upgrade with more minis during the campaign, depending on how it goes, we'll give more details in an update"

 Alex C wrote:

timd wrote:

RoninXiC wrote:
The Lust Elves definately have the best concept art... really tempting.

LOL "Lust Elves.... tempting"

Really?

Those "Centaurs" are fething disturbing.

And tempting...

 Jimsolo wrote:
Isn't there a holy-crusader-esque faction in Warmahordes?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
My wee little brain is too tired to handle that long, long, long list of graphics.

Some things look great. I got a Kingdom Death vibe too from some of the Lust Elves. Except the worm riders are topless for the sake of being topless, to omo imas.

DotC and KotC, anything else is much less tempting. Strangely serene about this one.

 rabidaskal wrote:
Lots of stuff in the concepts that I really like, I am sorely tempted. The voice of BUY-BUY-BUY-IT-ALL is shouting in my ears.

But the tiny voice of reason is worried that 6 times the armies as last time = 6 times the delays. Or heck even twice the delays.

Is there any way to know what models will definitely be produced for wave 1? The voice of compromise thinks limiting myself to those would be a good middle ground. I get cool minis, maybe not everything I wanted, but at least I get them within my current decade of life.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
Isn't there a holy-crusader-esque faction in Warmahordes?

Menoth, but Raging Heroes models tend to actually have detail on them to a degree that the flat Warmachine surfaces and giant Shoulderpad Elementals would stand out, I think.

Spoiler:

 Azazelx wrote:
Why not let it ride rather than add and subtract for two weeks - and just sort it out in the last day or two?

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

IN HERALD NEWS:

I got nothing. No marching orders or new information as of this time. Any questions you guys have for me to put towards the team?

 Micky wrote:
How long between the end of the campaign and the pledge manager coming out was there last time?

 Micky wrote:
Ah plenty of time to figure out what I want to use the models for then.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Micky wrote:
Ah plenty of time to figure out what I want to use the models for then.

Nah mate. Consider this. The pledge manager is already /made/.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
IN HERALD NEWS:

I got nothing. No marching orders or new information as of this time. Any questions you guys have for me to put towards the team?

 Malkaven wrote:
Its a little weird they have made 430k but yet they have only one update

RoninXiC wrote:
Same as last time.
Someone calculated a tiny 1,5 Million $ for everything to unlock!

RoninXiC wrote:
Actually that wasn't a complaint. Just saying that they're expecting/hoping for this project to hit VERY high numbers.

SO FAR, I can only complain about the structure of the project. It is quite hard to see what exactly is available since many sc-fi and fantasy choices are very similar and some can be used in both worlds.

willb2064 wrote:
Backed at the Lieutenant level. Missed out on the first KS. From scanning through this thread, am I right in thinking the quality is good but expect it to take 2 years to deliver, with an update every 3 months or so?

Mutter wrote:

 Malkaven wrote:
Its a little weird they have made 430k but yet they have only one update

Well, their last update said they'd been up for 48h and were gonna get some sleep.
Expect more communication when they wake up and had some coffee (European time), I guess.

 shamikebab wrote:
I've no idea why people expect so many updates tbh. What do you want to know?

 Lockark wrote:
I hope more of the fantasy sister stuff unlocks. I got more use for them. The concept art for throws knights is great.

 BlackTalos wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
I hope more of the fantasy sister stuff unlocks. I got more use for them. The concept art for throws knights is great.

If you don't mind me asking, what kind of use? WH Imperial, Mordheim or Warmachine? =P

 Kirasu wrote:
Main question is not if you want the models.. Its, do you want the models in 2 years?

 keltikhoa wrote:

Any chance on finding out why we are unlocking certain minis twice when they are the same across both Fantasy and Sci Fi? They stated most of the "Lust Elves" are usable in both settings but we have to unlock each model in each setting. I am eagerly awaiting the Knights and Daughters to be unlocked too and seeing the same model unlocks twice is making me go

We did make some mistakes on our unlocks, which will be mostly rectified in the next Update (s). So if we unlock something twice, then that means either we made a mistake (which we are in the process of fixing), or because the final models will be different. I am very sorry for this, and for the confusion

prankster wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
IN HERALD NEWS:

I got nothing. No marching orders or new information as of this time. Any questions you guys have for me to put towards the team?

When can we expect to see larger versions of the concept art?
When can we expect the first proper update, or is it just going to be one update a day with the image of the freebie and more stretch goals being added quietly to the main page?

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

prankster wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
IN HERALD NEWS:

I got nothing. No marching orders or new information as of this time. Any questions you guys have for me to put towards the team?

When can we expect to see larger versions of the concept art?
When can we expect the first proper update, or is it just going to be one update a day with the image of the freebie and more stretch goals being added quietly to the main page?

I'd find the RH photobucket. I'd expect a lot of it is there already.

Define proper update?

carboncopy wrote:
I kind of suspect that some of the rumored GW changes to fantasy (armies being combined and/or dropped) and more "concrete" rumors of plastic Sisters could be an additional reason this Kickstarter is so rushed. If either of those happen (and it seems like it would be soon if they do) it would seriously impact the popularity of this KS.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 keltikhoa wrote:

Any chance on finding out why we are unlocking certain minis twice when they are the same across both Fantasy and Sci Fi? They stated most of the "Lust Elves" are usable in both settings but we have to unlock each model in each setting. I am eagerly awaiting the Knights and Daughters to be unlocked too and seeing the same model unlocks twice is making me go

We did make some mistakes on our unlocks, which will be mostly rectified in the next Update (s). So if we unlock something twice, then that means either we made a mistake (which we are in the process of fixing), or because the final models will be different. I am very sorry for this, and for the confusion

 Alpharius wrote:
Weird that the Knights aren't 'unlocked' yet!

 Alpharius wrote:
Weird that the Knights aren't 'unlocked' yet!

prankster wrote:


As for a 'proper update', something that actually shows RH are interacting with their backers as a whole. They've already stated that they're not going to be following the comments on KS and any questions should be sent direct. So it'd be in their own best interests to put content in updates and get it out there, especially if they're getting repeats of the same questions.

 keltikhoa wrote:
New "current stretch goal" graphic up showing the 460k - 510k goals. Still no Knights or Daughters

 Darkness wrote:
I want a ton of the lust elves for my Slaanesh demons, but March 2016 is a long time away

BrookM wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Weird that the Knights aren't 'unlocked' yet!

IIRC from the previous campaign, models previewed well in advance were among the last to be unlocked.

KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 keltikhoa wrote:
New "current stretch goal" graphic up showing the 460k - 510k goals. Still no Knights or Daughters

I have specifically asked about those minis because I know a lot of Dakkanauts are extremely interested in those units. I'll update you all when I get more information, and some of it might be in the next update.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
KotC for Celestians. That's about it.

 Jimsolo wrote:
I think the skinners are going to make some lovely wracks, and I can pick up enough hear to round out my Carnival of Pain detachment.

The female incubi look phenomenal. But...I already have 20 Incubi, and that's a boatload. I can't imagine what I'd do with any more. (Hell, I can't imagine what to do with the ones I have!)

I may pick up some of the 'hunters,' to throw in with my warriors for variety's sake. They'd make good trueborn, too.

I'd always love some more grotesques, and I'm really trying to make myself warm up to the centaurs, but I'm just not sure. Maybe with some renders.

Other than that, fill the pledge out with cherry-picked characters, and hope the freebies are awesome!

Meet Xarxis, the Succubus Queen. If the Harpies are ferocious and vicious creatures, you can probably guess what their queen may be like. So don't stand to close, or she'll rip your heart out.

Void Elves and Lust Elves

We thought it would make sense to share with you how the Void Elves and the Lust Elves came to be.

First, we could say that, in a sense, the Lust Elves were a happy accident. Well, from another point of view, there is no doubt that it could be said that they are a tragic accident that keeps on happening.

At first, we wanted some sort of Void Elf army, as they perfectly fit a specific place in the TGG universe. But, we will not yet tell you the exact truth about where they come from or what they really are. Deep and dark secrets lie in the TGG background.

So, for now, let us say that the Void Elves are a race of truly immense powers (heck, they don't even need to diet to stay slim...). And contrary to what you might think when you see them, Void Elves never go to war. Warring is beneath them. Void Elves just wanna have fun.

In fact, from all the intelligence gathered so far about them, it looks like the Void Elves could well be just a small group from a much larger civilisation, a small band of demented individuals who gather together for sick perverted games...

The only thing that's known for sure is that the Void Elves do not have a physical body per se. At least, not on the battlefield. Instead, it appears that they are able to project themselves as solid light holograms of sort.

There appears to be two kinds of Void Elves: the Hunters and the Sculptors, but there might be more.



The Hunters target convoys, settlements, or even planets, and raid them for sport and trophies.

The Sculptors are worse: it is hard to truly understand their motives, but they seem fascinated by flesh, as it is something that they do not have. Their thing is to create insane constructs of flesh and technology that they use as vessels to incarnate and harvest even more flesh. They appear to see this as some kind of performance art, although their spirit and intelligence is so much beyond human standards that who they are and what they do is unfathomable.

Working from this premise gave us much room for crazy visual ideas, and we went completely overboard with the number of concepts and characters we designed for the Void Elves. And while in our mind, it was always one single army, we ended up with enough material for two. And it was obvious that fluff-wise, some armies would be made only of Hunters, some only of Sculptors, and that some armies would mix both. Even in the characters themselves, you can probably feel the mix between these two tribes. And since the Void Elves have no physical limitations in the way they will create their “bodies”, it is only logical that even Hunters don't necessarily limit themselves to two arms and two legs.

In our future game, please know that we consider the Lust Elves as part of the Void Elves army, as they are basically the same people and so, you will be able to play, say, only Void Elves, or only Lust Elves, or a combination of both. This is also why we put the Stingrays with the Void Elves in the Sci-Fi section, and with the Lust Elves in the Fantasy version, as their roles and the army they fit in will be a bit different depending on the Fantasy or Sci-Fi stetting,

We will actually talk about the Fantasy Dark Elves and the Fantasy Lust Elves in a next Update, but the set-up is basically the same: the Lust Elves are a more wicked sub-group of the regular Dark Elves culture.

Mixed Images

There have been several mishaps with one of our graphics artists. He is new in the team and we threw tons of info at him. With all the excitement and pressure of the KS launch, he ended up confusing a few things... Part of today has been spent fixing all this. Don't worry though, he has now learned his lessons after we shut him in a cupboard for a couple of hours with a band of enraged Lust Elves...

Anyway, the result of this was

* that Sol-Sariah, the Sisters' Priestess, was unlocked twice in the Stretch Goals,
* that some characters appeared to need to be unlocked twice, once for Sci-Fi and once for Fantasy (because the same concept was mistakenly used for both Sci-Fi and Fantasy when there should have been two)
* that incomplete 3D renders were shown instead of their concepts.
* It may appear like a huge pile of mistakes but believe us, with the tons of files we had to handle for this KS, it's probably surprising there weren't more

To clarify things:

If a model is the same in Fantasy and in Sci-Fi, then it will be unlocked only once, in a single Stretch Goal. Be patient with us, we are still fixing all this, it won't take long.

Also, just in case you're wondering, you'll be happy to know that in the final sculpts, the difference between the Fantasy and the Sci-Fi version of a character (or a trooper) will be even more obvious than in the concepts. This is not saying that the miniature will be very different form the concept. It means that we will make sure to add touches, accessories and other visual cues to accentuate the specificities of each version.

Sol-Sariah was replaced in the $210,000 Stretch Goal by the Fantasy Hunter Pack Leader.



Renders

Regarding the 3D renders, some of them, for example the Regular Fantasy Sisters, were not actually supposed to be shown. As we mentioned earlier, that was a mix-up from our lay-out artist.

At the same time, this is not necessarily a bad thing as this shows you our process. In the same manner that the concept is not the actual miniature, the work-in-progress 3D sculpt is not yet the miniature that you will hold in your hands. The problem right now is that everybody is very much used to seeing work-in-progress of traditionally sculpted minis (what is called a work-in-progress green), and are not troubled when they see blobs of green stuff stuck on a wire armature. The work-in-progress of a 3D sculpt is the same thing, but it shows in different ways. With the way we work, we can have a full-blown sculpt of a character in just a few hours. But then, the hard work comes in: it's the lengthy task of beautifying the sculpt: balancing the proportions, giving it the right expression and the right emotion, making it come completely alive.

On the Dark Elf Long Swords, for example, we chose to show you the sculpts instead of concepts as they had evolved from previous concepts and ideas that we combined together. But they are not completely done yet, especially their heads that are still lacking beauty and expression, and a finalised hairdo.

But never fear, they will get the full Raging Heroes treatment before they go to the foundry, and with all the things we learned from our previous Kickstarter, and are going to be a fine match for the TGG1.

Spoiler:

Quick tips

About the game

We've had a few questions about the game, and especially about its size. You might have missed the little section we wrote at the bottom of the KS front page on the game... As we mention there, the game will be very scalable, and you'll be able to start playing with just a few miniatures.

Special $500,000 Stretch Goal

For the special 500k Stretch Goal, we will be unlocking the much anticipated Altar of the Succubi. You can be sure that we will use all our skill to make this a completely memorable piece, and centrepiece of any gaming table!



Male figures

We've been asked if there would be male characters in this Kickstarter. The male characters mostly make sense for the Dark Elves and the Void Elves. So, as we know that most people are here for the female characters and armies, we will have specific stretch goals featuring sets of male heads and male torsos that you will be able to get to customise your Dark Elves and Void Elves troops.

Fantasy and Sci-Fi Lust Elves

Please note that most of the Lust Elves Troopers will be usable in Fantasy and Sci-Fi settings. There are only two units which come in two versions: the Skinners/Flesh Eaters, and the Centaurs.

FAQ

We updated the FAQ earlier today on the front page of the Kickstarter, do check it out when you have a moment.

Well, that's it for now. In our next Update, we'll share the background for the Sisters of Eternal Mercy.

 Lockark wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
I think the skinners are going to make some lovely wracks, and I can pick up enough hear to round out my Carnival of Pain detachment.

The female incubi look phenomenal. But...I already have 20 Incubi, and that's a boatload. I can't imagine what I'd do with any more. (Hell, I can't imagine what to do with the ones I have!)

I may pick up some of the 'hunters,' to throw in with my warriors for variety's sake. They'd make good trueborn, too.

I'd always love some more grotesques, and I'm really trying to make myself warm up to the centaurs, but I'm just not sure. Maybe with some renders.

Other than that, fill the pledge out with cherry-picked characters, and hope the freebies are awesome!

In all honesty I don't think i've seen anyone say they like the centaurs so far.
=S

To me it feels like they were just trying to hard to come up with away to make female grotesques that weren't huge muscle ladies. In all honesty I would of prefered that to what they came up with.

The centaurs look like they would trip over themselves moving any faster then a crawl.

 Lockark wrote:

In all honesty I don't think i've seen anyone say they like the centaurs so far.
=S

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
I was sort of leaning toward using them as fiends of slaanesh, god knows nothing could be worse than the current scorpion-horse.

 Dr Mathias wrote:
I like the way Raging Heroes suggest they came up with the idea of the varying types of Space Elf. Wow!

 Absolutionis wrote:
I like the centaurs a lot, actually. Not a fan of naked death-elves to own as miniatures, but I've always been a fan of body horror in general when it comes to avoiding bloodgoresplattery and angry faces. The centaurs are perfect in aesthetic for a group that specializes in pain and death. It's basically what I wished the DE Haemonculi would have been without being ugly patchwork floating guys with extra arms and cliche fragile steampunk alchemy things. DE Haemonculi just look more Alchemy+Mechanicus than anything super-advanced unethical space elves would do.

Kingdom Death is similar. They may have naughty bits here and there, but most of the "horror" is very well done with caricatures of creatures composed of human body parts. There isn't much blood, bones, or skulls. It's just grotesque while still remaining beautiful in a weird way.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
I was sort of leaning toward using them as fiends of slaanesh, god knows nothing could be worse than the current scorpion-horse.

I love the scorpion horses. They have a very John Carpenter look to them.

 Barzam wrote:
Oh cool, they're going to offer male components for their Dark Elf/Eldar troops. I may eventually have to put in more money.

 Jimsolo wrote:
Possibly. But keep in mind, by this point in the last KS, they hadn't even broke 300k. Thus far, this one is outperforming the last. If it matches the last one (and the first day amounts to about 1/3 of the total) then we'd be looking at 1.2 million, give or take.

I sincerely hope we get them all unlocked though, either through funding or generous placement of the goalposts. There are a few characters I don't want to have to pledge without.

 Jimsolo wrote:
Unfortunately there's a fine line between body horror and torture porn, and I'm still trying to decide which side the centaurs fall on, at least for me.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

IN HERALD NEWS:
I got nothing. No marching orders or new information as of this time. Any questions you guys have for me to put towards the team?

 Azazelx wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

IN HERALD NEWS:
I got nothing. No marching orders or new information as of this time. Any questions you guys have for me to put towards the team?

What's happening with the Digital Art Book from KS1? Especially since it's a thing again here in KS2