I think he looks awesome, despite all the "sigmarines are stupid and junk!" moaning. So much cooler than Commander Meatloaf, who absolutely never needed to exist in the first place, at least this is a cool humanized Stormcast, rather than a faceless gold minion. He would definitely find a place in my warband if it weren't for him probably being 35 friggin' dollars for a single figure like the latest Lord Celestant. At least some of the older figures came with a Gryph-hound for that price. I especially love his moustache, it's like the Deathwatch head I used on one of my all-unhelmed warband:
Better than more chaos, we've been drowning in spiky nonsense for the last year and a half.
You understand these are the four GRAND ALLIANCE Champions, right?
And that Chaos is one of the Grand Alliances? Stormcast aren't.
Are you aware that Stormcasts are in the ORDER GRAND ALLIANCE? So it's reasonable that they would be the herald?
Seriously, there were so many better things to sputter about with that comment, I'm severely disappointed.
You commented that the Stormcast was "better than more Chaos".
Chaos is a Grand Alliance. Stormcast aren't. Stormcast certainly can be the Harbinger for Order, but so could an Elf, Dwarf, Sylvaneth, Seraphon, or a vanilla human.
Am I disappointed it's a Stormcast? Absolutely.
I'm of the opinion that we could have had a far cooler model if we'd done a Dwarf, a Sylvaneth, a Seraphon, an Elf, or a vanilla human.
Part of what has made the other three so interesting and seemingly so popular is the fact that they're not what we've been inundated with. They weren't Orruks for Destruction or Ghouls for Death or a plate-clad monster for Chaos.
More than that if this is the guy we have to be stuck with? I think it's a disappointment that the model doesn't jibe with the fluff.
Lord-Ordinators have a particularly sacred duty – where the other Stormcast Eternals clear the way for Sigmar’s kingdoms, it’s these warrior-engineers that oversee the construction of new cities, walls and Stormkeeps, working in tandem with Dispossessed work gangs to create wonders unseen since the Age of Myth. These warriors also observe the movements of the stars in the heavens above the Mortal Realms, using combinations of mathematics, science and seer-craft to determine the future. With a great evil rising, the Lord-Ordinators have been dispersed among the armies of Order so that they can help prepare them for what is to come…
Imagine this guy based in such a way that he has rubble strewn around him, pallets of bricks and sheafs of paper to show that he's not just a fighter but a builder. Have his hammer supporting a sketchbook while he looks as though he's surveying the area to establish a new fort.
Models can tell a story. All this model tells a story of is a dude who hits things with hammers.
True. I like seeing other races for a change, but at least this guy is a cool looking Stormcast character, rather than some of the bland ones that can practically be made with existing kits. At least this guy has cool unique details, like the workman's gloves and bare arms.
Sure, this is a dude that hits things with hammers. Even a Stormcast who is a builder and architect still has to get his hands dirty when his worksite is attacked. Its not like models on the battlefield are supposed to represent figures in the middle of a boring workday.
AegisGrimm wrote: I think he looks awesome, despite all the "sigmarines are stupid and junk!" moaning. So much cooler than Commander Meatloaf, who absolutely never needed to exist in the first place, at least this is a cool humanized Stormcast, rather than a faceless gold minion. He would definitely find a place in my warband if it weren't for him probably being 35 friggin' dollars for a single figure like the latest Lord Celestant. At least some of the older figures came with a Gryph-hound for that price. I especially love his moustache, it's like the Deathwatch head I used on one of my all-unhelmed warband:
Sureheart's a named character, hence the pricetag.
Which was $2 more than the original Lord-Celestant with the hammer and sword while wearing the hammercloak.
I disagree with you on this being a "humanized" Stormcast. He just looks like a Stormcast LARPing as an engineer. There's a lot of things that could have been done to make him appear more humanized than just "He's not wearing a helmet! HUMANIZED!".
What better way to start the year than with more stormcast!
Stormcast though he may be, he is the most awesome Stormcast ever. Easily makes my list of favourite GW miniatures! That really makes up for the disappointment of not getting a non-Stormcast hero.
AegisGrimm wrote: True. I like seeing other races for a change, but at least this guy is a cool looking Stormcast character, rather than some of the bland ones that can practically be made with existing kits. At least this guy has cool unique details, like the workman's gloves and bare arms.
I disagree with you on that. He looks like he's someone just having fiddled around in CAD with resources and called it a day.
All you would have needed to make this guy, IMO, is the bared arms from one of the Khorne characters, a bit of sculpting putty for the 'gloves'(which still have the gauntlets from the Stormcast armor capping them off even!) and the quilted tabard and you'd have had something extremely similar.
Personally? I liked Sureheart better than this guy, despite Sureheart having an awful head on him. At least that can be removed or swapped out with a bit of effort.
Order will suffer the 40k Imperium curse. You can't have a campaing/event/etc... featuring Order, without the Posterboys being the face of the faction.
The other three orders have much more room for balance between their subfactions.
The idea is fine but why did he need to be a Stormcast - they are almost exclusively focussed on fighting - if he was human or Elf, or dwarf he could have been really intersting - a mortal directing the construction of the cities etc - but no he has to be a Stormcast.
The model is not bad but as otehrs have said - There is virtuallly nothing that matches the fluff.
AegisGrimm wrote: I think he looks awesome, despite all the "sigmarines are stupid and junk!" moaning. So much cooler than Commander Meatloaf, who absolutely never needed to exist in the first place, at least this is a cool humanized Stormcast, rather than a faceless gold minion. He would definitely find a place in my warband if it weren't for him probably being 35 friggin' dollars for a single figure like the latest Lord Celestant. At least some of the older figures came with a Gryph-hound for that price. I especially love his moustache, it's like the Deathwatch head I used on one of my all-unhelmed warband:
Sureheart's a named character, hence the pricetag.
Which was $2 more than the original Lord-Celestant with the hammer and sword while wearing the hammercloak.
I disagree with you on this being a "humanized" Stormcast. He just looks like a Stormcast LARPing as an engineer. There's a lot of things that could have been done to make him appear more humanized than just "He's not wearing a helmet! HUMANIZED!".
AegisGrimm wrote: I think he looks awesome, despite all the "sigmarines are stupid and junk!" moaning. So much cooler than Commander Meatloaf, who absolutely never needed to exist in the first place, at least this is a cool humanized Stormcast, rather than a faceless gold minion. He would definitely find a place in my warband if it weren't for him probably being 35 friggin' dollars for a single figure like the latest Lord Celestant. At least some of the older figures came with a Gryph-hound for that price. I especially love his moustache, it's like the Deathwatch head I used on one of my all-unhelmed warband:
Sureheart's a named character, hence the pricetag.
Which was $2 more than the original Lord-Celestant with the hammer and sword while wearing the hammercloak.
I disagree with you on this being a "humanized" Stormcast. He just looks like a Stormcast LARPing as an engineer. There's a lot of things that could have been done to make him appear more humanized than just "He's not wearing a helmet! HUMANIZED!".
Stormcast are human.
Stormcast Eternals are to Free Peoples as much as Space Marines are to the Astra Militarum.
AegisGrimm wrote: I think he looks awesome, despite all the "sigmarines are stupid and junk!" moaning. So much cooler than Commander Meatloaf, who absolutely never needed to exist in the first place, at least this is a cool humanized Stormcast, rather than a faceless gold minion. He would definitely find a place in my warband if it weren't for him probably being 35 friggin' dollars for a single figure like the latest Lord Celestant. At least some of the older figures came with a Gryph-hound for that price. I especially love his moustache, it's like the Deathwatch head I used on one of my all-unhelmed warband:
Sureheart's a named character, hence the pricetag.
Which was $2 more than the original Lord-Celestant with the hammer and sword while wearing the hammercloak.
I disagree with you on this being a "humanized" Stormcast. He just looks like a Stormcast LARPing as an engineer. There's a lot of things that could have been done to make him appear more humanized than just "He's not wearing a helmet! HUMANIZED!".
Stormcast are human.
When AegisGrimm is saying "humanized", he's referring to them being made to look more like humans rather than the helmeted deathmask style of look they had before.
We've had mention of Aelf Stormcast at least once but given that they're basically all reforged to be similar who knows if we've actually seen one in model form. Some of the names certainly seem kind of like stereotypical Elf names from high fantasy.
Better than more chaos, we've been drowning in spiky nonsense for the last year and a half.
You understand these are the four GRAND ALLIANCE Champions, right?
And that Chaos is one of the Grand Alliances? Stormcast aren't.
Might as well be. Order hero is a Fantasy Space Marine (big surprise) who happened to be missing a Fantasy Techmarine (a gap which is now filled - big surprise). That's GW for you.
It's a gap which didn't exist.
It also runs contrary to the other Grand Alliances.
Destruction got a Grot; nobody saw that coming.
Chaos got the Darkoath War-Queen; again nobody saw that coming.
Death got the Knight of Shrouds; a way of fleshing out a range that nobody really thought anything of(the Spirits).
I'm annoyed but at the very least maybe the reason we got this boring bit of blargh is they've got a big release finally fething planned for something that isn't humans or dwarfs.
I seem to recall a siege themed chapter in the battle tome. Means they needed an engineer eventually, if I do in fact remember correctly.
But regardless, they're Fantasy Marines. They get the same archetypes Marines have. When all the generic Sigmarines GW are released, do you think GW will stop there and finally give other factions some love? Nope. They'll just focus on Sigmarines dressed in nightgowns and wolf pelts instead.
For the record, I'm completely with you. I believe I said so earlier in this thread I would very much like a human engineer (yeah, like human human, not Sigmarine human - they're not the same. The only human model we got was the priest from Silver Tower, and he hardly fits in with the Empire models, even with the Sigmar cheerleaders of old), or for that matter anything that isn't a Sigmarine. But that's simply not realistic. You can't compare Order with the other Grand Alliances because none of the others contain the posterboy faction that fulfills the same role as Marines in 40k. Doesn't matter what anybody saw or didn't see coming for Chaos, Death and Destruction. Order has Sigmarines and follows its own rules. Sadly.
Mr Morden wrote: Really disapointed with the new Order character.
The idea is fine but why did he need to be a Stormcast - they are almost exclusively focussed on fighting - if he was human or Elf, or dwarf he could have been really intersting - a mortal directing the construction of the cities etc - but no he has to be a Stormcast.
The model is not bad but as otehrs have said - There is virtuallly nothing that matches the fluff.
As Galas said above, it's the Marine curse. By GW's decree it has to be Sigmarines. They want the best selling posterboy faction that makes 40k so successful in their fantasy game as well and they'll make it happen no matter what.
Really it's been all but explcitily announced when they removed their Marine statue in Nottingham and replaced him with a Sigmarine. that's a statement right there.
I seem to recall a siege themed chapter in the battle tome. Means they needed an engineer eventually, if I do in fact remember correctly.
There's not a Stormhost themed for sieges, but there used to be a "battalion" that focused on sieges and consisted of a Lord-Relictor and a bunch of Retributors and had the ability to destroy scenery pieces.
I don't see it in my Stormcast book at the moment.
There is the Storm Vortex Garrison which is the kind of thing where this guy would have already been gone after having established it.
I should add that this guy has been in the table of organization. He's definitely in there.
But regardless, they're Fantasy Marines. They get the same archetypes Marines have. When all the generic Sigmarines GW are released, do you think GW will stop there and finally give other factions some love? Nope. They'll just focus on Sigmarines dressed in nightgowns and wolf pelts instead.
I think this is a bit fallacious. We've seen a few new factions for Order rather than just "Sigmarines dressed in night gowns"(we've already got ones in wolf pelts--that's the Vanguard Chamber... ) but at the same time we saw GW shrink what was pretty likely going to be 3 factions (Stormcast Eternals->Extremis[Dracoth and Stardrake]->Vanguard[Hunters, Raptors, Gryph-Riders]) into one faction instead.
For the record, I'm completely with you. I believe I said so earlier in this thread I would very much like a human engineer (yeah, like human human, not Sigmarine human - they're not the same. The only human model we got was the priest from Silver Tower, and he hardly fits in with the Empire models, even with the Sigmar cheerleaders of old), or for that matter anything that isn't a Sigmarine.
The War Priest Excelsior actually fits in fairly well with the Warrior-Priests of Sigmar that were released in more recent years.
But that's simply not realistic. You can't compare Order with the other Grand Alliances because none of the others contain the posterboy faction that fulfills the same role as Marines in 40k. Doesn't matter what anybody saw or didn't see coming for Chaos, Death and Destruction. Order has Sigmarines and follows its own rules. Sadly.
Destruction has Orcs and Chaos has the Chaos Warrior. Most of Chaos' stuff is built around/based off of the old plate-clad fighters that were the staple of Warriors/Hordes of Chaos armies.
Death is a bit harder to stake down() to one theme since they have a few different things going on. We have the Spirit Hosts, the Skeletal hordes that parody mankind and its armies, the shambling zombie hordes, and the flesh-eating ghouls that believe themselves to be mighty heroes of old.
That's just my opinion though. When I look at Chaos, I see the Chaos Warrior being 'adapted' for Nurgle as the Blightking and the Blood Warrior for Khorne. I see it being eschewed for Tzeentch since "plate-clad wizards" isn't a common fantasy trope.
When I look at Destruction, I think of a mighty Orc Warboss conquering and binding tribes of giants, trolls, ogres, and goblins to his Orcish horde. We even got something like that in Ironjawz where they can take Giants and Ogres in some of their Battalions, right?
Mr Morden wrote: Really disapointed with the new Order character.
The idea is fine but why did he need to be a Stormcast - they are almost exclusively focussed on fighting - if he was human or Elf, or dwarf he could have been really intersting - a mortal directing the construction of the cities etc - but no he has to be a Stormcast.
The model is not bad but as otehrs have said - There is virtuallly nothing that matches the fluff.
As Galas said above, it's the Marine curse. By GW's decree it has to be Sigmarines. They want the best selling posterboy faction that makes 40k so successful in their fantasy game as well and they'll make it happen no matter what.
Really it's been all but explcitily announced when they removed their Marine statue in Nottingham and replaced him with a Sigmarine. that's a statement right there.
And as mentioned, they did a good job with the other Grand Alliances. This one was going to have blowback no matter what I think("What, an Aelf? God why wasn't it a Dwarf!" "What, a Dwarf? Why wasn't it an Aelf!" but I think for me it's a combination of things really bumming me out on this.
1) It's another Stormcast hero type.
2) He's basically just doing Stormcast-y things. He's mentioned as being more of a scholar/engineer than "merely a warrior". He's an exceedingly missed opportunity for a cool scenic piece that really represents the Grand Alliance rather than the specific subfaction he's pulled from.
Well, I might not play Sigmar, but I can see at least two models I’ll be getting this year already. The Warqueen and this guy are just such lovely “roleplay” characters (barbarian and paladin/cleric) that I might need them in my collection just because.
Humanized was probably not the best word, but "personalized' isn't the best either. I meant I like how some of these new Stormcast characters, like Neave and the Shadespire leader, are more than just faceless warrior #342. It makes them better than just being Space Marine analogues. I want Stormcast personalities who can be warrior-paladins that could more believably be seen conversing in some productive fashion with someone on the streets of Hammerhal, rather than being Space Marines which at their most fluff-loyal are sociopathic monks that really don't think like humans anymore to really relate to them and would just brush past.
I could actually see this new guy speaking with other 'lesser' races during peacetime. Hell, at first he reminded me of a Stormcast Blacksmith, not Stormcast Foreman.
I also liked the original fluff of how Stormcast are made from other races (even if only Elves and Dwarves really work). I even made an attempt at an Elven Stormcast in my warband with an Eldar head and characterful posing.:
But this gets a bit off topic. Ideally, I would have liked to see the 'Heralds' each being the forerunning character to represent the image of a new official race coming (back) into the AoS universe. Grots, Aelves, etc.
I seem to recall a siege themed chapter in the battle tome. Means they needed an engineer eventually, if I do in fact remember correctly.
There's not a Stormhost themed for sieges, but there used to be a "battalion" that focused on sieges and consisted of a Lord-Relictor and a bunch of Retributors and had the ability to destroy scenery pieces.
I don't see it in my Stormcast book at the moment.
There is the Storm Vortex Garrison which is the kind of thing where this guy would have already been gone after having established it.
I should add that this guy has been in the table of organization. He's definitely in there.
I see I wrote chapter when I meant chamber, as in Extremis and Vanguard. But you would know better than me. I don't own the book and only looked through someone else's copy
But yeah, that's what I meant. They've laid Sigmarine organization down in diagram form. I thought I saw something siege related in there.
But regardless, they're Fantasy Marines. They get the same archetypes Marines have. When all the generic Sigmarines GW are released, do you think GW will stop there and finally give other factions some love? Nope. They'll just focus on Sigmarines dressed in nightgowns and wolf pelts instead.
I think this is a bit fallacious. We've seen a few new factions for Order rather than just "Sigmarines dressed in night gowns"(we've already got ones in wolf pelts--that's the Vanguard Chamber... ) but at the same time we saw GW shrink what was pretty likely going to be 3 factions (Stormcast Eternals->Extremis[Dracoth and Stardrake]->Vanguard[Hunters, Raptors, Gryph-Riders]) into one faction instead.
It's not literally all Sigmarines all the time just like it's not literally all Marines all the time. We eventually got Mechanicus for the Imperium, for instance. But how many plastic Sisters kits did we get in last fifteen years? The Tactical Squad alone got made and remade three times since 3rd ed, and depending on your view a fourth time as Intercessors last year.
I see putting the different chambers in the same battle tome as no different than putting both Mechanicus armies in the same codex - an end to the practice of splitting up armies into smaller factions to sell more rule books, that is removing a division decided on by the sales department, not the creatives. Well, at least I want to believe that the actual rules and background writers had nothing to do with splitting up factions, but whatever. I see Vanguard and Extremis as the same as 1st and 10th companies in Codex Space Marines, something with a specialist rule but still part of the overall, generic faction (with Hammers of Sigmar doing their best Ultramarines impression and staying the blue and gold posterboys forever).
We really aren't there yet with Sigmarines, but think about Marines. Did we need a Blood Angels Tactical Squad? Wouldn't a Tactical Squad with Blood Angels upgrade sprue have sufficed. Same with Space Wolves, which actually started out in 3rd ed with exactly that upgrade sprue to turn the shiny new plastic Marines into proper Space Wolves. I think GW has settled on not splitting up factions anymore they way they did (see Mechanicus getting mashed together, or Khorne, Tzeentch and Nurgle respectively in Age of Sigmar) so what we get in the near future will be for all Sigmarines. Just like I expect that not all of the Grand Alliance Death factions will survive as their own thing because let's face it, have of them simply aren't functional on their own. Once everything is shrunk into place, I doubt GW can resist fanning out into variants against. I expect Sigmarines to be at the center of this.
For the record, I'm completely with you. I believe I said so earlier in this thread I would very much like a human engineer (yeah, like human human, not Sigmarine human - they're not the same. The only human model we got was the priest from Silver Tower, and he hardly fits in with the Empire models, even with the Sigmar cheerleaders of old), or for that matter anything that isn't a Sigmarine.
The War Priest Excelsior actually fits in fairly well with the Warrior-Priests of Sigmar that were released in more recent years.
Well, agree to disagree. He's a head taller and twice as broad as the plastic priest from from the War Altar. I'd happily use the old model alongside my Empire soldiers. The new one just looks ridiculous in comparison. But that may just be me.
But that's simply not realistic. You can't compare Order with the other Grand Alliances because none of the others contain the posterboy faction that fulfills the same role as Marines in 40k. Doesn't matter what anybody saw or didn't see coming for Chaos, Death and Destruction. Order has Sigmarines and follows its own rules. Sadly.
Destruction has Orcs and Chaos has the Chaos Warrior. Most of Chaos' stuff is built around/based off of the old plate-clad fighters that were the staple of Warriors/Hordes of Chaos armies.
Death is a bit harder to stake down() to one theme since they have a few different things going on. We have the Spirit Hosts, the Skeletal hordes that parody mankind and its armies, the shambling zombie hordes, and the flesh-eating ghouls that believe themselves to be mighty heroes of old.
That's just my opinion though. When I look at Chaos, I see the Chaos Warrior being 'adapted' for Nurgle as the Blightking and the Blood Warrior for Khorne. I see it being eschewed for Tzeentch since "plate-clad wizards" isn't a common fantasy trope.
When I look at Destruction, I think of a mighty Orc Warboss conquering and binding tribes of giants, trolls, ogres, and goblins to his Orcish horde. We even got something like that in Ironjawz where they can take Giants and Ogres in some of their Battalions, right?
My way of looking at it:
Destruction could claim orcs because the only Destruction god to prominently focus is Gorkamorka. Goblins are too runty to have any say in what's going on in the super epic epicness of Age of Sigmar, and Ogres - honestly I have no idea how they feature any more as a force of nature than they did before. Haven't read anything about them, actually. So yeah, no doubt the clear focus is on orc. It doesn't help they they were the only ones to receive new models so far and that Destruction as a faction isn't expansive - just Ogres and Orcs and Goblins mashed into trash alliance 2. But since the point of Destruction is to go waaaghing from one end of the world to the other, I don't think there's any prime candidate for a herald. Methods vary, but the goal is the same.
Trash alliance 1 didn't even get to retain its second faction because it's oh so much more fun to squat my beloved Tomb Kings, but that just as an aside. I does give me the impression though that it's pretty irrelevant how what remains is split up into mini-factions because they all follow the Vampire Counts aesthetic and go together no matter what, and at the end of the day it's all about Nagash anyway. He's in charge and whoever is chosen as his herald, it's going to answer to him and could even if it was not styled to go with Vampire Counts still tie in with his look (Similar to Sauron/Mouth of Sauron). Turns out if it's just another flying bed sheet (this time with an exciting winged helmet! Woo!), but I wouldn't feel any different if it represented another mini faction. It's still representative of the will of Nagash.
Chaos is the four gods and and since Archaon is their chosen Champion, sure, Chaos Warriors it is. But for me that's just at the head. I think Archaon doesn't care how he gets what he wants, just that he does. Which leaves the choice of herald fairly open, but unaligned is the most diplomatic solution because of the tensions between the four powers. As such the Darkoath Queen actually makes a lot of sense. Archaon can't chose any aligned champion without risking the allegiance of the others and he cannot very well trust a rat. I think Chaos is the most pinned down on the herald choice because of this.
Order could go either way. Either everyone agrees that Sigmar is cool and they work for a common goal, in which case anything goes but because the focus is on Sigmar, it's going to be at least one of his devoted if not one of his finest, or they're still struggling with the break-up of the alliance of gods in which case Sigmar would be a fool to trust anyone but his chosen warriors. I think the Order alliance is very much built around Sigmar being the protagonist the name Age of Sigmar suggests. Then you add the meta knowledge that GW wants to push Sigmarines and I have a hard time seeing any other choice.
I seem to recall a siege themed chapter in the battle tome. Means they needed an engineer eventually, if I do in fact remember correctly.
There's not a Stormhost themed for sieges, but there used to be a "battalion" that focused on sieges and consisted of a Lord-Relictor and a bunch of Retributors and had the ability to destroy scenery pieces.
I don't see it in my Stormcast book at the moment.
There is the Storm Vortex Garrison which is the kind of thing where this guy would have already been gone after having established it.
I should add that this guy has been in the table of organization. He's definitely in there.
I see I wrote chapter when I meant chamber, as in Extremis and Vanguard. But you would know better than me. I don't own the book and only looked through someone else's copy
But yeah, that's what I meant. They've laid Sigmarine organization down in diagram form. I thought I saw something siege related in there.
Nothing siege related as far as I've seen. We have 4 "unopened Chambers" called Sacrosanct, Ruination, Covenant, and Logister.
It looks like we're seeing the start of the Logister Chamber's opening here Ruination could I guess be relating to sieges/tearing down fortresses but there's no details there as far as I can tell.
It's not literally all Sigmarines all the time just like it's not literally all Marines all the time. We eventually got Mechanicus for the Imperium, for instance. But how many plastic Sisters kits did we get in last fifteen years? The Tactical Squad alone got made and remade three times since 3rd ed, and depending on your view a fourth time as Intercessors last year.
I see putting the different chambers in the same battle tome as no different than putting both Mechanicus armies in the same codex - an end to the practice of splitting up armies into smaller factions to sell more rule books, that is removing a division decided on by the sales department, not the creatives. Well, at least I want to believe that the actual rules and background writers had nothing to do with splitting up factions, but whatever. I see Vanguard and Extremis as the same as 1st and 10th companies in Codex Space Marines, something with a specialist rule but still part of the overall, generic faction (with Hammers of Sigmar doing their best Ultramarines impression and staying the blue and gold posterboys forever).
See, I actually disagree with you on that. My feelings on Mechanicus are well known so I won't tread that ground again but I do think that the combined books ends up being detrimental rather than beneficial. I wasn't planning on touching Stormcast until the Vanguard stuff came out. I was excited for them to get a book of their own...and then when they didn't? I left it alone to work on something else until this Vanguard Chamber boxed set came out since the stuff couldn't even really be used where I wanted it to be(You can't run the Lord Aquilor on his Gryph-Charger for Skirmish and Gryph-Hounds for whatever reason aren't part of the Vanguard Chamber except with this new warscroll battalion from the box).
I can't imagine I'm the only person who feels like a book where everything is just shoved in is less interesting than a fully fleshed out smaller book for a faction that interests you.
We really aren't there yet with Sigmarines, but think about Marines. Did we need a Blood Angels Tactical Squad? Wouldn't a Tactical Squad with Blood Angels upgrade sprue have sufficed. Same with Space Wolves, which actually started out in 3rd ed with exactly that upgrade sprue to turn the shiny new plastic Marines into proper Space Wolves.
To be fair, when we got the Blood Angels Tactical Squad? It was also the same point in time that it was becoming clear that they didn't want to just "sell an upgrade sprue". Several of the Space Wolf kits use up old stock which is why they have been left alone(the Devastator kit they come with is the pre-Grav Cannon one and the Skyclaws came with the previous iteration of the Assault Squad too) for the most part.
You're right that the Blood Angels Tactical Squad wasn't a "needed" thing, but it didn't hurt anyone too badly by it happening.
I think GW has settled on not splitting up factions anymore they way they did (see Mechanicus getting mashed together, or Khorne, Tzeentch and Nurgle respectively in Age of Sigmar) so what we get in the near future will be for all Sigmarines. Just like I expect that not all of the Grand Alliance Death factions will survive as their own thing because let's face it, have of them simply aren't functional on their own. Once everything is shrunk into place, I doubt GW can resist fanning out into variants against. I expect Sigmarines to be at the center of this.
Not gonna lie, I hope you're right. I want Mechanicus with two books so I can run pure Skitarii without having people telling me to "quit whining" and just play "counts as" with a techpriest.
I think Khorne, Tzeentch, and Nurgle were ones which benefit from the combined approach but that comes from the setup of the lore for the followers of Chaos for AoS. A Greater Daemon leading mortal followers into battle is something that totally works there versus 40k where Daemons are split into their own book for the Greater Daemons.
I expect, personally, that you're right to a point with Death but I think it will also be possible that we get books not unlike the Chaos ones themed around a specific faction and component parts.
Well, agree to disagree. He's a head taller and twice as broad as the plastic priest from from the War Altar. I'd happily use the old model alongside my Empire soldiers. The new one just looks ridiculous in comparison. But that may just be me.
He's a head taller and twice as broad but it's also mentioned in the Silver Tower stuff that he was a giant of a man.
It's like saying that Hector Rex doesn't fit with the other Inquisitors for 40k because he's huge.
I'll totally agree that if this was meant to be the case, he should have been given an actual name instead of being generic.
My way of looking at it:
Destruction could claim orcs because the only Destruction god to prominently focus is Gorkamorka. Goblins are too runty to have any say in what's going on in the super epic epicness of Age of Sigmar, and Ogres - honestly I have no idea how they feature any more as a force of nature than they did before. Haven't read anything about them, actually. So yeah, no doubt the clear focus is on orc. It doesn't help they they were the only ones to receive new models so far and that Destruction as a faction isn't expansive - just Ogres and Orcs and Goblins mashed into trash alliance 2. But since the point of Destruction is to go waaaghing from one end of the world to the other, I don't think there's any prime candidate for a herald. Methods vary, but the goal is the same.
Trash alliance 1 didn't even get to retain its second faction because it's oh so much more fun to squat my beloved Tomb Kings, but that just as an aside. I does give me the impression though that it's pretty irrelevant how what remains is split up into mini-factions because they all follow the Vampire Counts aesthetic and go together no matter what, and at the end of the day it's all about Nagash anyway. He's in charge and whoever is chosen as his herald, it's going to answer to him and could even if it was not styled to go with Vampire Counts still tie in with his look (Similar to Sauron/Mouth of Sauron). Turns out if it's just another flying bed sheet (this time with an exciting winged helmet! Woo!), but I wouldn't feel any different if it represented another mini faction. It's still representative of the will of Nagash.
I can understand your gripe about the Tomb Kings but I will note that there was a faction of Undead that seemed very similar appearing early on in an audio drama for AoS.
I would like to see a bit more of a different aesthetic for Death but I think that as it stands right now it works out well.
Chaos is the four gods and and since Archaon is their chosen Champion, sure, Chaos Warriors it is. But for me that's just at the head. I think Archaon doesn't care how he gets what he wants, just that he does. Which leaves the choice of herald fairly open, but unaligned is the most diplomatic solution because of the tensions between the four powers. As such the Darkoath Queen actually makes a lot of sense. Archaon can't chose any aligned champion without risking the allegiance of the others and he cannot very well trust a rat. I think Chaos is the most pinned down on the herald choice because of this.
Sure, but so would someone done up in the style of Krom the Conqueror or any Chaos hero in Chaos armor.
Order could go either way. Either everyone agrees that Sigmar is cool and they work for a common goal, in which case anything goes but because the focus is on Sigmar, it's going to be at least one of his devoted if not one of his finest, or they're still struggling with the break-up of the alliance of gods in which case Sigmar would be a fool to trust anyone but his chosen warriors. I think the Order alliance is very much built around Sigmar being the protagonist the name Age of Sigmar suggests. Then you add the meta knowledge that GW wants to push Sigmarines and I have a hard time seeing any other choice.
The problem there is that metaknowledge is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Any Stormcast release is automatically seen as GW "wanting to push Sigmarines".
I think that it's important to note that the whole idea of it having to be a Stormcast is a bit of a catch-22 when talking about Sigmar. You don't need Stormcast to be involved, you have the breadth of Order and its cities and factions to play with. If you wanted to show it as being Sigmar's herald? You have a few icons that really make a thing "Sigmar-y". The twin-tailed comet, the lion's head, and hammers.
The only faction that doesn't really work with is Sylvaneth or Seraphon since both of those tend to have very little metal or armor on them.
How many different individual hero models do Stormcast (or any faction need), this seems gratuitous, but I like personalising generic characters, so the answer is probably more than I would think.
I would have guessed a dwarf for this role (mostly based on fantasy tropes that don't apply to AoS; if I actuality think bout it ) , but see why the Stormcast would have an engineer too.
Anyway an engineer is definitly a good choice for Order, building and establishing is what they do. I suppose this is the engineer GW have in the works. So fine by me.
The disappointment is that the mini didn't herald a new and awaited faction like the grot and barbarian did.
DarkBlack wrote: How many different individual hero models do Stormcast (or any faction need), this seems gratuitous, but I like personalising generic characters, so the answer is probably more than I would think.
I would have guessed a dwarf for this role (mostly based on fantasy tropes that don't apply to AoS; if I actuality think bout it ) , but see why the Stormcast would have an engineer too.
Anyway an engineer is definitly a good choice for Order, building and establishing is what they do. I suppose this is the engineer GW have in the works. So fine by me.
The disappointment is that the mini didn't herald a new and awaited faction like the grot and barbarian did.
It’s only speculation at this point that the Grot and Darkoath characters herald a new faction.
If GW releases a city-building Stormcast hero but DOESNT re-release the super-awesome but now super-expensive terrain kits (Skullvane Manse, Witchfate Tor, Fortified Manor), I say we riot.
DarkBlack wrote: How many different individual hero models do Stormcast (or any faction need), this seems gratuitous, but I like personalising generic characters, so the answer is probably more than I would think.
I would have guessed a dwarf for this role (mostly based on fantasy tropes that don't apply to AoS; if I actuality think bout it ) , but see why the Stormcast would have an engineer too.
Anyway an engineer is definitly a good choice for Order, building and establishing is what they do. I suppose this is the engineer GW have in the works. So fine by me.
The disappointment is that the mini didn't herald a new and awaited faction like the grot and barbarian did.
It’s only speculation at this point that the Grot and Darkoath characters herald a new faction.
The community site has stated in multiple Malign Portents articles that those are the champions.
Kanluwen wrote: Nothing siege related as far as I've seen. We have 4 "unopened Chambers" called Sacrosanct, Ruination, Covenant, and Logister.
It looks like we're seeing the start of the Logister Chamber's opening here Ruination could I guess be relating to sieges/tearing down fortresses but there's no details there as far as I can tell.
Yeah, Ruination or Logister would have been it. Don't mind me when I call it siege stuff. Imperial Fists super fan here. Anything that sounds even remotely connected to building or tearing down a fortress is siege stuff to me. Can't think of anything else all day.
See, I actually disagree with you on that. My feelings on Mechanicus are well known so I won't tread that ground again but I do think that the combined books ends up being detrimental rather than beneficial. I wasn't planning on touching Stormcast until the Vanguard stuff came out. I was excited for them to get a book of their own...and then when they didn't? I left it alone to work on something else until this Vanguard Chamber boxed set came out since the stuff couldn't even really be used where I wanted it to be(You can't run the Lord Aquilor on his Gryph-Charger for Skirmish and Gryph-Hounds for whatever reason aren't part of the Vanguard Chamber except with this new warscroll battalion from the box).
I can't imagine I'm the only person who feels like a book where everything is just shoved in is less interesting than a fully fleshed out smaller book for a faction that interests you.
Yes, I'm vaguely familiar with your position. I'm pretty much at the opposite end and would pack all Marines in the same book. It's pretty hard finding a a middle ground that pleases both sides. GW seemed pretty close in 4th ed, but these days they go back and forth on the issue and it's hard to see where they are going at all. They seem to be unwilling to commit to an open ruleset that combines all rules in a single book but allows for themed lists that are truly representative of the sub-factions in some cases, but then do just that in the Chaos battle tomes (from what I can tell).
I think it could work if they used the split book approach they did the odd core rulebook and campaign book with, where you have a dedicated background book that is large enough to cover all sub-factions, and then a separate rule book that is also large enough to get everyone its full rules.
It doesn't help that they are bent on excluding crucial parts of an army list, like a true Skitarii HQ, just because there's no model for it yet. I think they could work out a lot of rules and formatting issues if they didn't stubbornly go with the no model - no rules approach.
To be fair, when we got the Blood Angels Tactical Squad? It was also the same point in time that it was becoming clear that they didn't want to just "sell an upgrade sprue". Several of the Space Wolf kits use up old stock which is why they have been left alone(the Devastator kit they come with is the pre-Grav Cannon one and the Skyclaws came with the previous iteration of the Assault Squad too) for the most part.
You're right that the Blood Angels Tactical Squad wasn't a "needed" thing, but it didn't hurt anyone too badly by it happening.
I keep thinking that, to stay with the Blood Angels Tactical Squad, that one extra box of unnecessary Marines is a box of Battle Sisters or revised Tomb Kings skeletons I didn't get.
It's not the box's existence that bother's me, but what it stopped from existing.
Not gonna lie, I hope you're right. I want Mechanicus with two books so I can run pure Skitarii without having people telling me to "quit whining" and just play "counts as" with a techpriest.
I think Khorne, Tzeentch, and Nurgle were ones which benefit from the combined approach but that comes from the setup of the lore for the followers of Chaos for AoS. A Greater Daemon leading mortal followers into battle is something that totally works there versus 40k where Daemons are split into their own book for the Greater Daemons.
I expect, personally, that you're right to a point with Death but I think it will also be possible that we get books not unlike the Chaos ones themed around a specific faction and component parts.
Agreed, counts as isn't be a solution to a problem that really should be solved at GW's end. Especially now that keywords are everywhere and cutting down on actual rules interactions previous ally rules, for instance, didn't constrain.
Also agree on Chaos. The battle tomes are in my opinion the way to go. All part of the same Grand Alliance so you can mix and match if you want, but each keeping its own theme while at the same time offering wide enough unit selection to not look like a ridiculous mini faction
He's a head taller and twice as broad but it's also mentioned in the Silver Tower stuff that he was a giant of a man.
It's like saying that Hector Rex doesn't fit with the other Inquisitors for 40k because he's huge.
I'll totally agree that if this was meant to be the case, he should have been given an actual name instead of being generic.
Either that or just not only put out the one extraordinary guy out all by himself but instead at least a handful of models of that theme. It's a bit of a problem for me with the Malign Portents heralds, too. I really don't want to put my Darkoath Chieftain with my old Marauders and adding the Queen and nothing else isn't going to change that. The wraith is easier since he at least looks like he belongs in a Nighthaunt army.
I can understand your gripe about the Tomb Kings but I will note that there was a faction of Undead that seemed very similar appearing early on in an audio drama for AoS.
I would like to see a bit more of a different aesthetic for Death but I think that as it stands right now it works out well.
And I keep waiting for something to come of this. Battle Sisters, Slaanesh, Tomb Kings - Reign of a Million Years Revival Tour... feels like these days my hobby is waiting for models that'll probably not come in my lifetime.
Really, while I said that the wraith herald is nice for fitting into the existing undead model line, it's really not enough for me. I want to see a complete vision of what Age of Sigmar undead are supposed to be. Even if it was just a definite refusal from GW to update Death in any way.
Sure, but so would someone done up in the style of Krom the Conqueror or any Chaos hero in Chaos armor.
I don't disagree. Just saying to me there is limited freedom of choice in Chaos, but it doesn't have to be Chaos armor or bust. Could also be a redo of the hooded guy from the Albion campaign.
The problem there is that metaknowledge is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Any Stormcast release is automatically seen as GW "wanting to push Sigmarines".
I think that it's important to note that the whole idea of it having to be a Stormcast is a bit of a catch-22 when talking about Sigmar. You don't need Stormcast to be involved, you have the breadth of Order and its cities and factions to play with. If you wanted to show it as being Sigmar's herald? You have a few icons that really make a thing "Sigmar-y". The twin-tailed comet, the lion's head, and hammers.
The only faction that doesn't really work with is Sylvaneth or Seraphon since both of those tend to have very little metal or armor on them.
That's my take on it though.
It can be a self-fulfilling prophecy, yes.
I agree with you, actually. I would have totally gone with a herald separate from the Stormhosts. Just to show that Sigmar is also the god of civilization and not just the god of punching Chaos in the face. I've not been particularly happy with GW's early world-building specifically because it pretty much was just the latter - fighting without a world to fight over.
My problem is that I don't see GW agreeing with the idea that the Order herald could come from anywhere else but the Sigmarines. I don't want to call it "a real eye-opener" when the interview about Guilliman's return came around because my opinion of GW's creative endeavors isn't exactly the best, but the expression that stuck was the author saying the introduction of the first loyalist Primarch could not just happen any old way, it had to, it had to show right from the beginning just how awesome he is. Thus he came back in an action scene punching Black Legionnaires and turning catastrophic defeat into immediate and irrevocable victory. I probably did not relate that in a particularly good way, but the point is that I get the impression that a certain mindset is present in GW's creative staff that single-mindedly puts "the iconic" in the focus. Everything must be immediately recognizable as iconic of whatever it is meant to represent. No subtlety, no room for interpretation, it's got to scream at the viewer that it's this one thing and nothing else. And also, look how awesome it is!
That's why I think GW couldn't possibly get behind the idea that anything other than a Sigmarine could be a herald in this instance.
DarkBlack wrote: How many different individual hero models do Stormcast (or any faction need), this seems gratuitous, but I like personalising generic characters, so the answer is probably more than I would think.
I would have guessed a dwarf for this role (mostly based on fantasy tropes that don't apply to AoS; if I actuality think bout it ) , but see why the Stormcast would have an engineer too.
Anyway an engineer is definitly a good choice for Order, building and establishing is what they do. I suppose this is the engineer GW have in the works. So fine by me.
The disappointment is that the mini didn't herald a new and awaited faction like the grot and barbarian did.
It’s only speculation at this point that the Grot and Darkoath characters herald a new faction.
The community site has stated in multiple Malign Portents articles that those are the champions.
He's saying that it is speculation that those characters are heralding(as in their existence marks the approach of) a new faction i.e. Darkoaths.
The Grot was an existing faction, the Moonclan Grots, and thus really doesn't apply.
I like him, the king sending forth his frontline engineer to combat death and destruction with the very essence of order and civilisation is a cool image.
An elf hero would've been nicer but I guess that deluge will come when the Shadowkin take the spotlight.
I'm hopeful of two things with him:
1. He'll have connections to the Ironweld via his Dispossessed workers and that community rumor engine hint with the lion and anvil may mark such a focus or it'll be the emblem of the Stormkeep.
@Kanluwen Ah. Guess I misunderstood. I would agree with that, and also point out again that the Darkoath Chieftain is a Slaves to Darkness hero, and that's what I expect of the Warqueen as well. Darkoath is not a keyword that exists at this time, and I'm not expecting it to be a new faction.
I'm suspecting GW will find a way to release another SC hero, even when elves get their turn.
Meh, maybe. More likely I think they'll settle for a alliance though, something like a Shadelight formation with the knight-azyros or the like.
On another note anyone interested by that Coalescence narrative event for Malign Portents?
I like the event list ideas.
* One List where all models fit into ONE battalion (Your Stronghold List)
* One Path to Glory List + 5 additional rolls on the tables.
* One Skirmish Warband that equals at least 75 Renown
I have to say, while it's yet another Stormcast, it's an actually visually interesting Stormcast and I might actually get one. If the Shadespire ones were more like him I'd buy a set for myself...especially if the Reavers were replaced with Darkoath warriors. Him being a pricy SC hero is the only thing that might stop me from buying my first golden boy not included in some set.
Yes, GW's refusal to give us normal humand is maddening. Yes, I want the designs and races the Old World had supposedly to be blown up for to include.
But I disagree that he, standing in his own, is in any way boring. IMO the fact that there are way too many other bland, faceless, almost robotic dudes wielding two hammers in the same faction is a problem of the faction, not of a mini that actually looks like it has a purpose and theme for those tools (of war).
Like a lot of other folk, the most exciting thing about this is the chance we'll see the discontinued terrain kits again. The Stormchitect is...OK? It's a Slightly Different Stormcast like all of their characters are.
Maybe it's just the way his eyes are painted, but for some reason I get a serious anime vibe off that model - which is appropriate, I suppose, a lot of the AoS stuff looks like it could have stepped right out of a Final Fantasy cinematic.
I'm a little miffed at ANOTHER Stormcast hero but also because Lord-Castellents were already supposed to fill that roll in the fluff, so it makes it seem even more like a pointless because-poster-boys hero release.
That might be my least favorite SC model to date, it looks like they stuck a head from the old world empire aesthetic on a stormcast body. Just a clash of styles that doesn't work IMO. Wake me up when they reveal what this is instead:
Thargrim wrote: That might be my least favorite SC model to date, it looks like they stuck a head from the old world empire aesthetic on a stormcast body. Just a clash of styles that doesn't work IMO. Wake me up when they reveal what this is instead:
Eh, maybe but I'm willing to bet later this year if Nurgle and Death are the only releases thus far.
If the four champions bring armies of wraiths, Moonclan, marauders and builders(the architect seems to work with humans and dwarfs only) then yeah, definitely 2019.
Baron Klatz wrote: Eh, maybe but I'm willing to bet later this year if Nurgle and Death are the only releases thus far.
If the four champions bring armies of wraiths, Moonclan, marauders and builders(the architect seems to work with humans and dwarfs only) then yeah, definitely 2019.
There's nothing suggesting that the new Stormcast guy "works with humans and dwarfs only". It says that he has work gangs of Dispossessed but it also stresses that he's a Stormcast.
Okay the "only" was pushing it but between his description and the video it looks that if he had an force behind him it would be dispossessed/freeguild or a mix(in the Grand Alliance book free guilds get described being a mix of races).
He'd could also probably have a force like the Firestorm kits with a mix of Stormcasts and city dwellers as well. Mortals he leads to build the structures and his fellow knights to protect the workers.
I definitely like the model, I was just really hoping to get something else for the Order herald for this event. This guy could have easily been saved for a different release. It also breaks the pattern established by the other heralds of giving a model to factions that hadn't yet received a battletome (Moonclan Grots, Nighthaunts, and Slaves to Darkness).
NinthMusketeer wrote: I'm a little miffed at ANOTHER Stormcast hero but also because Lord-Castellents were already supposed to fill that roll in the fluff, so it makes it seem even more like a pointless because-poster-boys hero release.
Nah
Lord Castellants do it on the hoof as the battle/campaign. These chaps however come along after the battle to do the planning of a city.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I'm a little miffed at ANOTHER Stormcast hero but also because Lord-Castellents were already supposed to fill that roll in the fluff, so it makes it seem even more like a pointless because-poster-boys hero release.
Nah
Lord Castellants do it on the hoof as the battle/campaign. These chaps however come along after the battle to do the planning of a city.
Why are they even stormcast then? In the books and tomes castellans were in charge of military fortifications during a campaign and after it. I get it - these guys are civil engineers, but for me they are both redundant and out of place. Stormcast were reforged to do battle, but now they are being reforged to do civil stuff aswell. Stormcast clercs coming soon ?
NinthMusketeer wrote: I'm a little miffed at ANOTHER Stormcast hero but also because Lord-Castellents were already supposed to fill that roll in the fluff, so it makes it seem even more like a pointless because-poster-boys hero release.
Nah
Lord Castellants do it on the hoof as the battle/campaign. These chaps however come along after the battle to do the planning of a city.
Why are they even stormcast then? In the books and tomes castellans were in charge of military fortifications during a campaign and after it. I get it - these guys are civil engineers, but for me they are both redundant and out of place. Stormcast were reforged to do battle, but now they are being reforged to do civil stuff aswell. Stormcast clercs coming soon ?
Well, there's the logister chamber...
As for these guys: lord castellans build the barricades, the ordinators the forts (it seems). But it's the castellan that mans the fort AND the barricade, all while keeping the realmgate stable too.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Probably because that way you can't lose the skills and knowledge of the builders?
Then I guess Sigmar should aswell start reforging clercs ASAP 'cause these taxes won't gather themselves and the time for integrating into the existing administration will be severely cut as they'll bring their book keeping skills with them to serve Sigmar for all eternity
NinthMusketeer wrote: I'm a little miffed at ANOTHER Stormcast hero but also because Lord-Castellents were already supposed to fill that roll in the fluff, so it makes it seem even more like a pointless because-poster-boys hero release.
Nah
Lord Castellants do it on the hoof as the battle/campaign. These chaps however come along after the battle to do the planning of a city.
You wouldn't know it from looking at the pose.
Cripes, Lietpold the Black looks more like the Logister's description than this guy does.
I had hoped for a Free People hero, but as Stormcasts go this one is pretty interestig. It is most radical departure from the original look we've seen thusfar, and i have to say it looks really good. Miles better than many of their previous heroes with their ludicrous amount of extra bling on their golden armours. I wish we would see a Stormcast unit with similar lighter armour, I think the Stormcast archers and crossbow troops would have visually worked better with this sort of armour rather than the full plate they got.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Probably because that way you can't lose the skills and knowledge of the builders?
Then I guess Sigmar should aswell start reforging clercs ASAP 'cause these taxes won't gather themselves and the time for integrating into the existing administration will be severely cut as they'll bring their book keeping skills with them to serve Sigmar for all eternity
Don't forget about all the Stormcast servants we need too. You can't run a realm without people to take care of menial tasks, and Stormcast just do it way better than mortals. Can't wait for my Stormcast stableboy and Stormcast butler models
Crimson wrote: I had hoped for a Free People hero, but as Stormcasts go this one is pretty interestig. It is most radical departure from the original look we've seen thusfar, and i have to say it looks really good. Miles better than many of their previous heroes with their ludicrous amount of extra bling on their golden armours. I wish we would see a Stormcast unit with similar lighter armour, I think the Stormcast archers and crossbow troops would have visually worked better with this sort of armour rather than the full plate they got.
Truthfully, the Vanguard would have looked amazing with the quilted tabards in lieu of breastplates and leather boots in lieu of the massive greaves.
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Hmm. Maybe we've been interpreting the name of the event wrong then. Could be that "Malign" is being used as a verb, and GW is literally instructing us to talk about the previews. If that 's the case, the internet seems happy to oblige.
EnTyme wrote: It also breaks the pattern established by the other heralds of giving a model to factions that hadn't yet received a battletome (Moonclan Grots, Nighthaunts, and Slaves to Darkness).
Furthermore, Order gets a giant armoured dude with two massive hammers. The other factions get.... a woman, a goblin and a ghost.
EnTyme wrote: It also breaks the pattern established by the other heralds of giving a model to factions that hadn't yet received a battletome (Moonclan Grots, Nighthaunts, and Slaves to Darkness).
Furthermore, Order gets a giant armoured dude with two massive hammers. The other factions get.... a woman, a goblin and a ghost.
A woman who would kick all our asses, I'd bet. I can't wait to see her rules.
EnTyme wrote: It also breaks the pattern established by the other heralds of giving a model to factions that hadn't yet received a battletome (Moonclan Grots, Nighthaunts, and Slaves to Darkness).
Furthermore, Order gets a giant armoured dude with two massive hammers. The other factions get.... a woman, a goblin and a ghost.
A woman who would kick all our asses, I'd bet. I can't wait to see her rules.
I'm betting 5 attacks at 4+/3+/-1/D1, a 4+ with her shield, and 5-7 wounds. It'll be a pretty standard hero profile.
EnTyme wrote: It also breaks the pattern established by the other heralds of giving a model to factions that hadn't yet received a battletome (Moonclan Grots, Nighthaunts, and Slaves to Darkness).
Furthermore, Order gets a giant armoured dude with two massive hammers. The other factions get.... a woman, a goblin and a ghost.
A woman who would kick all our asses, I'd bet. I can't wait to see her rules.
I'm betting 5 attacks at 4+/3+/-1/D1, a 4+ with her shield, and 5-7 wounds. It'll be a pretty standard hero profile.
Maybe D3 damage and/or +1 to hit when fighting a Hero, which of course never happens.
I'm just happy he, and the dreams, were even understandable. Was kinda expecting rapid gibberish that the monk could barely make out.
So, to me, it's looking like a global campaign set this time in the realm of Death.
With how overall affecting to other realms this is hinted to be I wonder if we could be fighting over magic super weapons that could have a nasty effect elsewhere depending on who takes them? (So a Black Pyramid would overwhelm major areas of the realm of life with undeath if Death keeps it but chaos taking it would mean daemon swarms upon the realm of fire and places like Hammerhal, for example)
Urrrgh pleeeeease, surely a campaign in the realm of death itself must mean new death models, if not now surely never!
I pray Nagash, pray. What if the countdown is for the Knight of Shrouds video that comes with the reveal of new kits for Death? FFS why did I just hype myself in such a way?
unmercifulconker wrote: Urrrgh pleeeeease, surely a campaign in the realm of death itself must mean new death models, if not now surely never!
I pray Nagash, pray. What if the countdown is for the Knight of Shrouds video that comes with the reveal of new kits for Death? FFS why did I just hype myself in such a way?
I'm turning into a skeleton from this wait.
A setting changing story line where the central foe gets no releases? Inconceivable!
*looks sideways at the Gathering storm*
Here is my prediction the knight of shrouds is a person who rejected becoming a stormcast. Hence the title name coward and... you got loads of armies pouring into shyish when we know according to a novel it sucks up souls.
*Removes Mechanicus sanctioned sun protectors*......Holy Emperor!
Daaaayum I wonder what the reveal is gonna be! Love the Knight of Shrouds! However technically even Death get a Stormcast hero.... Wonder how Nagash stopped his soul from 'escaping.'
Edit: missed the title, hmmm so either Nagash prevented Sigmar from taking his soul or the 'coward' refused to be taken. Which asks how does a mortal refuse the call of a god. A common theme is that you cannot help but to obey a God when they call upon you.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Wait is it only 5 minutes till the reveal? I thought the countdown wouldn't be till later on today but my countdown is showing 5 minutes.
*Removes Mechanicus sanctioned sun protectors*......Holy Emperor!
Daaaayum I wonder what the reveal is gonna be! Love the Knight of Shrouds! However technically even Death get a Stormcast hero.... Wonder how Nagash stopped his soul from 'escaping.'
Edit: missed the title, hmmm so either Nagash prevented Sigmar from taking his soul or the 'coward' refused to be taken. Which asks how does a mortal refuse the call of a god. A common theme is that you cannot help but to obey a God when they call upon you.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Wait is it only 5 minutes till the reveal? I thought the countdown wouldn't be till later on today but my countdown is showing 5 minutes.
Nagash captured Tarsus Bullheart- Lord Celestant of the Hallowed Knights (and his soul) during the Realmgate wars. He sure as hell can do that lol. Listen to the Realmgate Wars- Hunt for Nagash audio drama.
Also, one of the Stormhosts (Anvils of the Heldenhammer I think?) is entirely comprised of souls (living and the dead) from Shyish. Nagash didn't appreciate that.
This video is bloody amazing. Sooo the realms are similar to Yggdrasil.
This was pretty much known, but really, surmising this in a 4 min vid is gold.
Yeah well that's the interpretation I always had it's just nice to get some confirmation. As I said on TGA what GW is doing with AOS is a "soft reboot". Got loads of information on the site for those who want to learn more about the setting. They even have a timeline up on the website.
Well I am going to start cracking on my undead fan fiction.
Keldrek
The Knight of Shrouds is a traitor to his own kin, a turncoat who was called to rule in Nagash’s hellish dystopia rather than serve in Sigmar’s heaven-sent armies.
I don't think he was meant to be a Stormcast but rather that he was a citizen of one of the cities of Shyish.
Keldrek
The Knight of Shrouds is a traitor to his own kin, a turncoat who was called to rule in Nagash’s hellish dystopia rather than serve in Sigmar’s heaven-sent armies.
I don't think he was meant to be a Stormcast but rather that he was a citizen of one of the cities of Shyish.
Yeah if you watch the character insight by phil he pretty much reveals he is not a stormcast. Plus going by lord of undeath a stormcast betraying their fellows in such a fasion does not make sense. Considering how knights of shrouds are born.
TheDraconicLord wrote: As someone who didn't read much AoS lore so far, this video was freakin' amazing.
At the risk of sounding negative, it took GW two and a half years to explain to me how the damn setting actually works.
I feel a measure of amazement, but I can't say it's the good kind.
Anyway, enough of that. The Warhammer Community article makes it seem like we've got an army building period of several months ahead of us with the main event coming after. I hope there's an undead release in there because if the rumors of Slaanesh and the elves making a comeback later this year are true, I doubt there'll be much room for Death after a certain point.
TheDraconicLord wrote: As someone who didn't read much AoS lore so far, this video was freakin' amazing.
At the risk of sounding negative, it took GW two and a half years to explain to me how the damn setting actually works.
I feel a measure of amazement, but I can't say it's the good kind.
Anyway, enough of that. The Warhammer Community article makes it seem like we've got an army building period of several months ahead of us with the main event coming after. I hope there's an undead release in there because if the rumors of Slaanesh and the elves making a comeback later this year are true, I doubt there'll be much room for Death after a certain point.
TheDraconicLord wrote: As someone who didn't read much AoS lore so far, this video was freakin' amazing.
At the risk of sounding negative, it took GW two and a half years to explain to me how the damn setting actually works.
At the risk of sounding too apologistic, I really don't understand why it is that GWhad to explain it to people?
It honestly felt to me that many people wanted the "hard science" behind AoS right off the bat but just glazed over the idea of there being the different Realms.
I feel a measure of amazement, but I can't say it's the good kind.
Anyway, enough of that. The Warhammer Community article makes it seem like we've got an army building period of several months ahead of us with the main event coming after. I hope there's an undead release in there because if the rumors of Slaanesh and the elves making a comeback later this year are true, I doubt there'll be much room for Death after a certain point.
Ehhh...it depends on how they release Death stuff and what we see for 40k as well.
TheDraconicLord wrote: As someone who didn't read much AoS lore so far, this video was freakin' amazing.
At the risk of sounding negative, it took GW two and a half years to explain to me how the damn setting actually works.
At the risk of sounding too apologistic, I really don't understand why it is that GWhad to explain it to people?
I can only speak for myself, but to this day I've not found the motivation to finish an army because due to the absence of a substantial setting, I have a hard time giving it an identity.
The problem isn't that I can't do that per se, but going with an identity that could fit in anywhere defeats the point of making the army for this specific setting.
I'm not a wargamer first and foremost and sticking together models just to push them around a table means nothing to me. I want to attach a story to my little toy soldiers. Which doesn't work without a solid frame of reference.
Kanluwen wrote: Ehhh...it depends on how they release Death stuff and what we see for 40k as well.
40k is a bit of a problem to begin with. If we get Slaanesh in Age of Sigmar, we get Slaanesh in 40k as well which takes up time. Which is not necessarily a problem because I've not just been waiting for Death but also Slaanesh releases. But after half a year of Primaris and Nurgle and pretty much nothing else, I'm a bit wary about GW's release policy. Last year has been pretty dull and lacking variety.
TheDraconicLord wrote: As someone who didn't read much AoS lore so far, this video was freakin' amazing.
At the risk of sounding negative, it took GW two and a half years to explain to me how the damn setting actually works.
At the risk of sounding too apologistic, I really don't understand why it is that GWhad to explain it to people?
I can only speak for myself, but to this day I've not found the motivation to finish an army because due to the absence of a substantial setting, I have a hard time giving it an identity.
The problem isn't that I can't do that per se, but going with an identity that could fit in anywhere defeats the point of making the army for this specific setting.
I'm not a wargamer first and foremost and sticking together models just to push them around a table means nothing to me. I want to attach a story to my little toy soldiers. Which doesn't work without a solid frame of reference.
You might want to pick up the Firestorm campaign stuff then. It did wonders for this thanks to the fluff for the Great Cities. It's only a paragraph or so for each one but even just seeing a list of who dwells within makes a big difference.
Kanluwen wrote: Ehhh...it depends on how they release Death stuff and what we see for 40k as well.
40k is a bit of a problem to begin with. If we get Slaanesh in Age of Sigmar, we get Slaanesh in 40k as well which takes up time. Which is not necessarily a problem because I've not just been waiting for Death but also Slaanesh releases. But after half a year of Primaris and Nurgle and pretty much nothing else, I'm a bit wary about GW's release policy. Last year has been pretty dull and lacking variety.
Honestly, if they wanted to do Slaanesh without doing 40k at the same time? Totally doable. We had Bloodbound with no tie-ins to Khorne Daemonkin for 40k for example.
Kanluwen wrote: You might want to pick up the Firestorm campaign stuff then. It did wonders for this thanks to the fluff for the Great Cities. It's only a paragraph or so for each one but even just seeing a list of who dwells within makes a big difference.
Thanks. I may.
Honestly, if they wanted to do Slaanesh without doing 40k at the same time? Totally doable. We had Bloodbound with no tie-ins to Khorne Daemonkin for 40k for example.
Don't quash my hopes! Just because I don't think endless releases for the same army are a good thing doesn't mean GW should stop that practice right before an army I'm interested in comes around.
Hehe, if you followed the lore the only big surprise here was the relationship between the realms of shadow and light.
Great video all the same, I'm sure it's gonna be a great help to many people who didn't have time to follow and nab every lore source.
If they would release a book version of this video with details to every realm that would be beyond ace. (Especially if written by Josh, that man knows how to make the realms come to life.)
Definitely gonna be a good year for AoS, ton of new releases with the rpg coming out as well.
Super stoked for Skullvane returning though. Original one I had fell foul of dodgy glue circa 2010 - ended up selling it as I had neither the skills nor the time to fix it up.
Having light and shadow dancing around each other is really cool.
You might want to pick up the Firestorm campaign stuff then. It did wonders for this thanks to the fluff for the Great Cities. It's only a paragraph or so for each one but even just seeing a list of who dwells within makes a big difference.
Baron Klatz wrote: Hehe, if you followed the lore the only big surprise here was the relationship between the realms of shadow and light.
Great video all the same, I'm sure it's gonna be a great help to many people who didn't have time to follow and nab every lore source.
If they would release a book version of this video with details to every realm that would be beyond ace. (Especially if written by Josh, that man knows how to make the realms come to life.)
Definitely gonna be a good year for AoS, ton of new releases with the rpg coming out as well.
Yep. None of that was new or unexpected. As an AoS newbie The only thing I didn’t know was archaeon using the pathways though that’s very interesting.
What do people think of the skellies in the Knight of Shrouds art? Grim reaper robes, bunch of different weapons and look to be on foot. Could it be the first look at a new unit?
I'll be a little sad if the book previewed is the only one released. I was kind of hoping for a full Realm Gate wars, multi-book event. The Malign Portents one is a touch on the thin side so far.
Baron Klatz wrote: Hehe, if you followed the lore the only big surprise here was the relationship between the realms of shadow and light.
Funny that, because when I tried to raise the topic a while back on TGA it didn't go well and nobody could give the totality of the setting anywhere near as much substance and form as that wee video did. I don't get why folk can't just acknowledge that AoS was sparse and underdeveloped until fairly recently.
That said, now that it's finally here, AoS having an actual setting is welcome and I'm interested to see what they do with it.
JSG wrote: What do people think of the skellies in the Knight of Shrouds art? Grim reaper robes, bunch of different weapons and look to be on foot. Could it be the first look at a new unit?
This one?
I'd guess Cairn Wraiths, just with extra weapons. Would be cool if we got a new wraith unit, though, to have individual models to go with the ghost swarms for more variety in Nighthaunt.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: I'll be a little sad if the book previewed is the only one released. I was kind of hoping for a full Realm Gate wars, multi-book event. The Malign Portents one is a touch on the thin side so far.
Hopefully (well, sort of) it'll be like Gathering Storm and just set the stage for the actual event. The name Malign Portents certainly points to it.
I’ve seen summmaries on warhammer total war forum (of all places) more in depth than that video. The lore is out there to find before now if you wanted to know. All this does is collect it into an easily digestible format for those who can’t bother to work or think for themselves.
Gamgee wrote: I’ve seen summmaries on warhammer total war forum (of all places) more in depth than that video. The lore is out there to find before now if you wanted to know. All this does is collect it into an easily digestible format for those who can’t bother to work or think for themselves.
Indeed. Which is great. I want a full book of collected lore like this, instead of hunting it from different scattered sources.
Gamgee wrote: I’ve seen summmaries on warhammer total war forum (of all places) more in depth than that video. The lore is out there to find before now if you wanted to know. All this does is collect it into an easily digestible format for those who can’t bother to work or think for themselves.
Indeed. Which is great. I want a full book of collected lore like this, instead of hunting it from different scattered sources.
That I can agree with. However I kind of liked how mysterious the setting is and don’t want it explained too much. So I’m a little torn on it.
Gamgee wrote: I’ve seen summmaries on warhammer total war forum (of all places) more in depth than that video. The lore is out there to find before now if you wanted to know. All this does is collect it into an easily digestible format for those who can’t bother to work or think for themselves.
Aye OK, sure, that's why loads of folk on the main AoS forum didn't even come close to describing what the video shows in a topic specifically about its subject. What existed before was vague hints coupled with massive speculation, and "what does the AoS setting actually look like and how does it work" would get ten different answers from any given ten fans. Also, I do love how GW's initial failure to define and explain their setting to the people they expect to buy their products based on it is somehow our fault, that kool aid sure must be tasty stuff.
Anyway - I had a look at the preorder article on WC and didn't notice the new fattie Lord model, is that being held back until next week?
I want to have the overall structure of the setting clearly defined and have a lot of examples of different places and cultures, but still with a plenty of undefined areas where you can place your imaginary kingdoms and stuff.
One appreciates that the lore ha been refined immensely since the game rolled out but I think a lot of games would've appreciated a background section with regards to the new story.
.. I guess it's the flipside to having had so many 40k rulebooks with -- by and large-- the same background info in them being foisted upon us all over the years.
The lore is out there to find
Much like the site rules with regards to not posting things like
those who can’t bother to work or think for themselves.
The information is there spread out through several books explaining the realms. Now as someone who been following the setting from the start i recognised right away the realms is pretty much yggdrasil or planetscape considering how they are described and connected.
What GW has done is condense like 6 books along with some battle tome stuff in a 4 minute video. Which is good for someone trying to get into the setting. Now consideringGW are selling a product such information shoukd be easily avaliable which they have now done.
Anyway - I had a look at the preorder article on WC and didn't notice the new fattie Lord model, is that being held back until next week?
Week 1 is just the Maggotkin book and Daemon stuff it looked like.
Gnarlmaw(tree)
Bilepiper
Spoilpox
Great Unclean One
Maggotkin
Daemon Codex
Auxiliary gaming stuff for those two books
Skeptical about this new campaign. If they've learnt their lesson, maybe Order won't steamroll it again by virtue of having by far the largest playerbase... but I won't hold my breath.
At least it SEEMS like we're getting some more world building, but I reckon the Crucible 7 RPG will do more than anything else.
Arbitrator wrote: Skeptical about this new campaign. If they've learnt their lesson, maybe Order won't steamroll it again by virtue of having by far the largest playerbase... but I won't hold my breath.
At least it SEEMS like we're getting some more world building, but I reckon the Crucible 7 RPG will do more than anything else.
Just as it was with WFB and WFRP. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the RPG.
Arbitrator wrote: Skeptical about this new campaign. If they've learnt their lesson, maybe Order won't steamroll it again by virtue of having by far the largest playerbase... but I won't hold my breath.
At least it SEEMS like we're getting some more world building, but I reckon the Crucible 7 RPG will do more than anything else.
Just as it was with WFB and WFRP. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the RPG.
The Age of Sigmar battletomes and whatnot have done an incredible job of worldbuilding over the last two years. Probably moreso than the first ten to fifteen years of Warhammer FRP 1 / Warhammer 1st-4th edition.
You just gotta read them.
Arbitrator wrote: Skeptical about this new campaign. If they've learnt their lesson, maybe Order won't steamroll it again by virtue of having by far the largest playerbase... but I won't hold my breath.
At least it SEEMS like we're getting some more world building, but I reckon the Crucible 7 RPG will do more than anything else.
Just as it was with WFB and WFRP. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the RPG.
The Age of Sigmar battletomes and whatnot have done an incredible job of worldbuilding over the last two years. Probably moreso than the first ten to fifteen years of Warhammer FRP 1 / Warhammer 1st-4th edition.
You just gotta read them.
Honesltly, all the codexes/battletomes read like high school history books. I'm always a little surprised when no one gives me a 10 question multiple choice quiz at the end of every chapter.
But hey, I know the basics and can just cheat off the guy in the desk next to mine that always carries a stuffed fox toy around for no real reason.
Arbitrator wrote: Skeptical about this new campaign. If they've learnt their lesson, maybe Order won't steamroll it again by virtue of having by far the largest playerbase... but I won't hold my breath.
At least it SEEMS like we're getting some more world building, but I reckon the Crucible 7 RPG will do more than anything else.
Just as it was with WFB and WFRP. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the RPG.
The Age of Sigmar battletomes and whatnot have done an incredible job of worldbuilding over the last two years. Probably moreso than the first ten to fifteen years of Warhammer FRP 1 / Warhammer 1st-4th edition.
You just gotta read them.
That may be so, but I’m not going to buy an expensive book to find out whether or not I like the setting. You’ve got to give people at least an idea of what it’s about to get them interested. GW have totally failed in that regard, until today. Today they’ve done a brilliant job and, for the first time, I’m actually vaguely interested in AoS.
Anyone who says that video on the realms contains no new info is full of gak. I encourage then to cite exactly where all the info from the video was previously mentioned. I've read all the fluff and while there was plenty of room for speculation much had not been confirmed.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Anyone who says that video on the realms contains no new info is full of gak. I encourage then to cite exactly where all the info from the video was previously mentioned. I've read all the fluff and while there was plenty of room for speculation much had not been confirmed.
The realms being finite was mentioned in Pantheon and Battletome Ironjawz, the first also confirmed the whole "unstable thingy". The Realms being "in space" was confirmed in the same book (not overtly stated, just commented and treated as a rightful matter-of-fact thing, something that didn't deserve time to explain upon.). I don't remember where the realms' formation came from but I do remember it was a slow process that required multiple iterations and cooling .
Realmspheres are kind of new, as well as Ulgu and Hysh dancing around (then again, they were stated to be twin, closely knit and intertwined, realms multiple times), though.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Anyone who says that video on the realms contains no new info is full of gak. I encourage then to cite exactly where all the info from the video was previously mentioned. I've read all the fluff and while there was plenty of room for speculation much had not been confirmed.
The only new thing really in the video(to me)is the realmspheres. Kragan pretty much mentioned the rest as I said before the video just confirms certain information that is across the narrative.
That video was great. Looked good, felt coherent and well thought-out. It’s obvious they didn’t have this clear a picture of the game universe in the beginning. I’m sure by now there have been enough pieces here and there to put together a very similar picture, but as someone who has read most of the novels, much of this stuff I did not know.
It does feel like a soft reboot of the game with the new logo, videos etc. Like GW sat down and said “ok, we fethed up, then we righted the ship, but now we’re getting rid of the baggage and doing this right”. Very much looking forward to AoS in 2018!
(Edit: I got ninja'd bad. This was meant for Ninthmusketeer.)
Haha, certainly the video had good new lore in it but as Shinros said the setting had a vague depiction of Yggdrasil about it for quite some time.
Biggest instance was the Skaven gnaw-tunnels depiction that had the realms appear as spheres. That matched up with the Norse realms scattered about the world tree.
Then the story "Pantheon" showed that the magical composition of the realms meant that their edges were expanding from the magical matter that formed them.
Then there's bits and pieces such as Gorkamorka's Waaaghs that rampaged to the edges of the realms and that there's fire realm material that shows there's layers to some realms instead of a singular plane.
Regardless the video did give some nice info and fill in some missing pieces to the puzzle.
That may be so, but I’m not going to buy an expensive book to find out whether or not I like the setting. You’ve got to give people at least an idea of what it’s about to get them interested. GW have totally failed in that regard, until today. Today they’ve done a brilliant job and, for the first time, I’m actually vaguely interested in AoS.
Indeed, the scattered lore and books are a stumbling block to AoS' epic lore. It's the reason why Yodhrin got multiple answers until Shinros showed up to clarify(or like how Fantasy newbies flood a Total War chat with wrong answers until a lore master shows up who's read the years worth of material), you get too many scattered lore masters while the guys new to setting have to settle for hearsay and snippets until someone knowledgeable can set them straight.
I suspect this was really done for the AoSrpg, this way new-comers can get straight into it without questions about the setting on their minds and a mountain of lore books in front of them to piece it together.
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Realmspheres are kind of new,
Haha, Orruks found the edges and Skaven found the spheres.
I like how it mirrors some depictions of Norse realms. (Azyrheim even is wrapped around Malleus like Asgard is wrapped around the tree while both are above everyone else)
One thing that I wasn't aware of is how the realms are most stable and earth-like at the center, and seem to be more affected by the prevailing wind of magic as you get closer to the edges.
That was a good piece of lore. Makes me wonder how close to the center the current cities are? Are they dead center and the magic and dangerous occurrences in and around them as normal as things get or are they on the outskirts of normalcy?
EnTyme wrote: One thing that I wasn't aware of is how the realms are most stable and earth-like at the center, and seem to be more affected by the prevailing wind of magic as you get closer to the edges.
Yup going by pantheon the edges of the realms are pretty nuts even daemons can easily slip in.
Edit:spot on Baron this video is great for people getting the basics of the setting in an easily digestable chunk. Plus what I found a lot of people present memes and misinformation as fact seen it a lot on the total war forums. Example, like Grimgor kicking archaon in the nuts. Some people present that as fact when that never happened.
Oh don't even get me started on that Arch/1d4chan nonsense.
I had to go through three "continue threads" on Reddit with a guy who was defending that it happened despite only getting into Warhammer last year.
His defense was "well with so many people here saying it's true it must have happened". No, it means you and all the other newbs watched Arch for your lore info.
Fortunately a lore veteran came along and quoted the battle that showed the crotch kick was made up nonsense that Arch gave way too much emphasis on.
I think whether or not the information in the video was available in other sources, we can all agree compiling all that information into one video is a huge positive, and should help AoS grow. I would definitely love to see more lore-focused videos that don't necessarily tie directly to new releases.
GW's biggest mistake in the FB/AoS transition is still throwing away decades of setting material without any proper replacement. AoS at release was nothing but an empty, soulless husk filled with golden dudes and red dudes endlessly fighting over nothing. Really good to see that has changed, and that GW is making those changes known. It is important for lore to be more easily accessible, as it was with WHFB and still is with 40k. A lot more worldbuilding is still needed for AoS to be able to hold a candle to the original Warhammer setting, but I am excited for what more cool new lore and models the future will bring.
Iron_Captain wrote: GW's biggest mistake in the FB/AoS transition is still throwing away decades of setting material without any proper replacement.
AoS at release was nothing but an empty, soulless husk filled with golden dudes and red dudes endlessly fighting over nothing.
It really wasn't.
We knew there was a Realm associated with each of the Winds of Magic. They brought that up in the main flipping rulebook.
We knew that the "golden dudes and red dudes" were fighting over the Realm of Fire and that it was the first time that Sigmar actually launched an offensive! We knew that this was the 'opening gambit' to start freeing those still living their lives in the various Realms that had been overrun by Chaos.
It was only "an empty, soulless husk filled with golden dudes and red dudes" if one didn't even make a cursory attempt to read any of the material. And I'm not even talking about novels here, most of this is in the main rulebook and the booklet that came with the AoS starter set. A lot of it was also in WD at the time.
The realms just seemed empty and featureless at the first. There were really nothing to care about. Firestorm stuff was the first thing that made me care about the setting at all, finally there seemed to be some normal people who had actual lives and cultures. We need a lot more stuff like that and in greater detail.
The early info showed that most of the key factions either respawn, are numberless hordes or both, which didn't help with the impression of a sterile setting with no stakes beyond how long mortals can last without getting trampled by one of the big players.
Of course, if you hadn't actually read any of the Warhammer Fantasy background, and everything you knew came from what was on the covers of the boxes, that would have seemed like a very empty setting, too.
Haha, the Seeds of Hope summer campaign would actually be the first time there was something to protect with innocent lives.
At the beginning of AoS there was the first book that talked about the despoiled realms on the Stormcasts side as wonders and cities were undone from the Age of Myth and their heroes came from slaughtered villages while Khorne's side reveled in the destruction as they slaughtered innocent people.
The first novels did some, if minimum, background building with this as well by showing that there were still people and tribes out there for the Stormcasts to help while the Khornites were still tearing civilization down if they hadn't already turned it into a hellscape.
The stuff was there at the beginning but it should've been built upon (just a quick Age of Myth primer or the like) rather than mentioned in passing.
In this month's White Dwarf there's an Ultimate Guide to Death and the page after is an advertisement for Death models. It's worth noting that the Zombies box isn't in the advertisement even though the Corpse Cart is (using the old box art too). All of the other Death Battleline units are accounted for on the ad as well.
Probably doesn't mean anything, but there is hope for new Zombie models.
Sure, we knew there were some people. We just knew next to nothing about them, so it was hard to care. Even now the info about the Free Cities is pretty minimal, but at least there is something to spark your imagination.
Mymearan wrote: That would be amazing. IMO the holy trinity of ugly troop boxes that need replacements stat are Cadians, Chaos Space Marines and... yep, Zombies.
Crimson wrote: Sure, we knew there were some people. We just knew next to nothing about them, so it was hard to care. Even now the info about the Free Cities is pretty minimal, but at least there is something to spark your imagination.
That's a point. Even the earliest story that focused on people, "Daemon of the Deep", did so with a random town even though they had the Lantic empire and Steppe Khanate remnants already in the lore and whose fall they could've played off of.
Hopefully they'll play on those in the future though. A multiple realm spanning empire that slowed down chaos' advance culminating in being besieged by Archaon and his combined forces or an oriental empire with giant & sky titan allies that caused Khorne himself(or well just his hand) to intervene with their last stronghold would make excellent Time of Legends novels.
They are literally THE worst 40K range right now, even Catachans have better looking models in the form of later special characters, not to mention all the new IG tanks they can take. Hell, you'd need to dig pretty deep to find similarly ugly Sigmar range as most of them had at least partial refresh. Sisters had literally a single plastic model for what, 20 years...?
They are literally THE worst 40K range right now, even Catachans have better looking models in the form of later special characters,
Profoundly disagree. Everything looks good compared to catachans.
Hell, you'd need to dig pretty deep to find similarly ugly Sigmar range as most of them had at least partial refresh. Sisters had literally a single plastic model for what, 20 years...?
Three, actually, which is more than several of the 'refreshes' you're referring to. AoS has done Sigmarines, Bloodblooders, Dwarfs, more Sigmarines, Orcs, Tzeentch, even more Sigmarines and Nurgle. Skaven, Lizards, Tree Spirits and Ogres were reboxed and sold without a single new model, and the rest of the range apparently doesn't even rate new boxes.
They are literally THE worst 40K range right now, even Catachans have better looking models in the form of later special characters,
Profoundly disagree. Everything looks good compared to catachans.
Hell, you'd need to dig pretty deep to find similarly ugly Sigmar range as most of them had at least partial refresh. Sisters had literally a single plastic model for what, 20 years...?
Three, actually, which is more than several of the 'refreshes' you're referring to. AoS has done Sigmarines, Bloodblooders, Dwarfs, more Sigmarines, Orcs, Tzeentch, even more Sigmarines and Nurgle. Skaven, Lizards, Tree Spirits and Ogres were reboxed and sold without a single new model, and the rest of the range apparently doesn't even rate new boxes.
False. Sylvaneth had several new kits upon the release of their Battletome.
Well, saw on the AoS Facebook page last night that they were addressing peoples concerns about what this actually is. But apparently all that's been revealed so far is just the very beginning. Apparently it will be books, new model lines and interestingly campaigns, as in plural. So, intrigued how this will go.
Iron_Captain wrote: GW's biggest mistake in the FB/AoS transition is still throwing away decades of setting material without any proper replacement.
AoS at release was nothing but an empty, soulless husk filled with golden dudes and red dudes endlessly fighting over nothing.
It really wasn't.
We knew there was a Realm associated with each of the Winds of Magic. They brought that up in the main flipping rulebook.
We knew that the "golden dudes and red dudes" were fighting over the Realm of Fire and that it was the first time that Sigmar actually launched an offensive! We knew that this was the 'opening gambit' to start freeing those still living their lives in the various Realms that had been overrun by Chaos.
It was only "an empty, soulless husk filled with golden dudes and red dudes" if one didn't even make a cursory attempt to read any of the material. And I'm not even talking about novels here, most of this is in the main rulebook and the booklet that came with the AoS starter set. A lot of it was also in WD at the time.
I read it all of it very thoroughly when it came out, before it made me lose interest. Don't pretend it was anything more than it was. We knew they were fighting over the Realm of Fire, but we had absolutely no idea what the Realm of Fire even was. A random meaningless name pretty much equals nothing. We knew they were fighting to 'free the realms', but we had no idea what these realms were, who were in it and why they should be worth fighting over. This has now been fixed to various degrees, praise Sigmar, but the fluff in the beginning was pretty much non-existent.
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Crimson wrote: The realms just seemed empty and featureless at the first. There were really nothing to care about. Firestorm stuff was the first thing that made me care about the setting at all, finally there seemed to be some normal people who had actual lives and cultures. We need a lot more stuff like that and in greater detail.
Aye, that was true for me as well. Firestorm really ignited my interest for AoS.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Well, saw on the AoS Facebook page last night that they were addressing peoples concerns about what this actually is. But apparently all that's been revealed so far is just the very beginning. Apparently it will be books, new model lines and interestingly campaigns, as in plural. So, intrigued how this will go.
Indeed, really looking forward to what they'll reveal this year.
Also, I'm wondering how Nurgle will factor in? In the artwork we see Death is already busy dealing with the 3 heroes and their respective forces. Will Nurgle be the biggest threat to Nagash while everyone else is trying to take objectives in the ensuing chaos?
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: It would make sense. Nurgle is all about the extremes of life and Nagash is directly opposite. It would be natural for them to butt heads the most.
Also Nurgle has had major reverses in the Realm of Life so is a bit weakened.
He also may be aware that Nagash is messing about with the same ideas as Sigmar re the Stormcast and as they have been a headache - not least in his own Garden recently he will not be keen to have two versions of them running about.
Lastly Nurgle wants everyone to enjoy his gifts - the undead just seem unable to embrace them in almost any way.
That video is good and kind of solidifies the idea that they had when they released AoS in 2015. I wish it had come out then.
My biggest complaint with AoS to date has been that it's NOT WHFB, and that they destroyed that setting to make something completely different. I understand why people disliked WHFB, even if some of that was internet hyperbole, but I still feel like they could've transitioned better. Essentially, because of the way GW went about it, they alienated a big chunk of people that really could've helped AoS at the start.
All that aside, I'm finally starting to get over my own hang ups with the setting, I'm finally coming to terms with AoS as a different game entirely rather than what I consider a failed WHFB reboot, and I'll admit that this video actually helps with all that. Prior to having this explained in this way (I'm firmly in the 'I'm not gonna buy 10 Battletomes just to have the lore I need to understand what the heck is going on' camp), my view of the mortal realms was just this infinite series of planets (I kind of got the feeling of almost multiple galaxies in each realm after reading the first couple of books) where the background team and fluff-writers could literally do whatever they wanted to do with no consequence. This changes quite a bit if each realm, of which there are a finite number, is just essentially one large planet connected by the realm gates. Now things can happen that have real consequence and battles may actually begin to matter.
I'll be watching this intently. I'm interested to see where they take this and if it will add enough to the setting to get me to start a proper AoS army.
godswildcard wrote: All that aside, I'm finally starting to get over my own hang ups with the setting, I'm finally coming to terms with AoS as a different game entirely rather than what I consider a failed WHFB reboot, and I'll admit that this video actually helps with all that. Prior to having this explained in this way (I'm firmly in the 'I'm not gonna buy 10 Battletomes just to have the lore I need to understand what the heck is going on' camp), my view of the mortal realms was just this infinite series of planets (I kind of got the feeling of almost multiple galaxies in each realm after reading the first couple of books) where the background team and fluff-writers could literally do whatever they wanted to do with no consequence. This changes quite a bit if each realm, of which there are a finite number, is just essentially one large planet connected by the realm gates. Now things can happen that have real consequence and battles may actually begin to matter.
Looking at the scale of the realm-spheres shown in the video - the individual realms are much bigger than that, it looks like several hundred (maybe more) continent sized landmasses in each - so more like the Ringworld or Dyson Sphere scale. So whilst its not infinite each is truly vast and this fits with the fluff info thus far. Few of the larger landmasses that we have had described in the books are linked directly except by realmgates and the distances that are talked about are gigantic.
I was pleased to see a basic timeline but it would be really awesome to have some sort of calendar or way of measuring dates - there are occasional references in the books but these are very very rare.!
I think my new favourite new thing (new for me) is that the realms are at their most stable, and thus populated, in the middle. This means that even though the actual realms are enormous, the settled area is much smaller, which means that conquering a limited part of the realm doesn’t feel as meaningless.
Multiple new lines of models? Wow this is sure surprising. Now if the new death stuff is cool enough I might be tempted to switch from destruction grand alliance army to death as my opposing force fighting my KO.
This is so exciting. Also I'm starting an AoS community here and hope I can get a few more.
godswildcard wrote:That video is good and kind of solidifies the idea that they had when they released AoS in 2015. I wish it had come out then.
My biggest complaint with AoS to date has been that it's NOT WHFB, and that they destroyed that setting to make something completely different. I understand why people disliked WHFB, even if some of that was internet hyperbole, but I still feel like they could've transitioned better. Essentially, because of the way GW went about it, they alienated a big chunk of people that really could've helped AoS at the start.
All that aside, I'm finally starting to get over my own hang ups with the setting, I'm finally coming to terms with AoS as a different game entirely rather than what I consider a failed WHFB reboot, and I'll admit that this video actually helps with all that. Prior to having this explained in this way (I'm firmly in the 'I'm not gonna buy 10 Battletomes just to have the lore I need to understand what the heck is going on' camp), my view of the mortal realms was just this infinite series of planets (I kind of got the feeling of almost multiple galaxies in each realm after reading the first couple of books) where the background team and fluff-writers could literally do whatever they wanted to do with no consequence. This changes quite a bit if each realm, of which there are a finite number, is just essentially one large planet connected by the realm gates. Now things can happen that have real consequence and battles may actually begin to matter.
I'll be watching this intently. I'm interested to see where they take this and if it will add enough to the setting to get me to start a proper AoS army.
Glad you've decided to give the game and setting a chance. Welcome! I definitely think this type of video should have come out when AoS released, but I honestly don't know that He Who Shall Not Be Named had this sort of setting in mind when he blew up the Old World. Hopefully, we'll get more designer's notes in the future. It reminds me a lot of Dev Diary posts for video games in development.
Mymearan wrote:I think my new favourite new thing (new for me) is that the realms are at their most stable, and thus populated, in the middle. This means that even though the actual realms are enormous, the settled area is much smaller, which means that conquering a limited part of the realm doesn’t feel as meaningless.
I like this, too. The realms themselves "may as well be infinite", but the space that is stable enough to be habitable is very finite. Now we know what we're fighting for control of.
Adeptus Doritos wrote:So, would it be too much to hope for new Warriors of Chaos sprues?
I am thinking it is.
Honestly, my Chaos Warriors are still some of my favorite models. They've aged surprisingly well. I wouldn't mind get some new Marauders, though (Maybe with javelins so we could have just a little more ranged?).
godswildcard wrote: All e, I'm finally starting to get over my own hang ups with the setting, I'm finally coming to terms with AoS as a different game entirely rather than what I consider a failed WHFB reboot, and I'll admit that this video actually helps with all that. Prior to having this explained in this way (I'm firmly in the 'I'm not gonna buy 10 Battletomes just to have the lore I need to understand what the heck is going on' camp), my view of the mortal realms was just this infinite series of planets (I kind of got the feeling of almost multiple galaxies in each realm after reading the first couple of books) where the background team and fluff-writers could literally do whatever they wanted to do with no consequence. This changes quite a bit if each realm, of which there are a finite number, is just essentially one large planet connected by the realm gates. Now things can happen that have real consequence and battles may actually begin to matter.
Looking at the scale of the realm-spheres shown in the video - the individual realms are much bigger than that, it looks like several hundred (maybe more) continent sized landmasses in each - so more like the Ringworld or Dyson Sphere scale. So whilst its not infinite each is truly vast and this fits with the fluff info thus far. Few of the larger landmasses that we have had described in the books are linked directly except by realmgates and the distances that are talked about are gigantic.
I was pleased to see a basic timeline but it would be really awesome to have some sort of calendar or way of measuring dates - there are occasional references in the books but these are very very rare.!
Indeed, the realms are enormous beyond belief. Hammerhal itself is stated to be continent-sized with it's two realm spanning city. I also believe it was noted by the devs that the entire Old World map could comfortably fit in the Realm of Life map we were given which is impressive considering it was only a section of the overall realm of life.
Put that on top of some realms having multiple planes to them and the edges continually growing by the magic atmosphere forming together and you still have near-endless possibilities for the realms. (and then there's the combined footnotes that the All-points lead to other worlds pre-age of chaos and the gargants are believed by scholars to come from such places)
Agreed on a chronological list being a treat. Especially if each realm has to go by different time-route due to a curious nature like Ghur's sun behaving unpredictably like an animal (which the scholar in the story notes makes time-keeping a real bother ).
This changes quite a bit if each realm, of which there are a finite number, is just essentially one large planet connected by the realm gates. Now things can happen that have real consequence and battles may actually begin to matter.
Haha, I guess it depends on what battles you mean?
The overarching Realmgate wars to stop the endless chaos reinforcements and the Seeds of Hope war to establish the first major civilizations were certainly consequential and vital for the realms being taken back from chaos.
godswildcard wrote: All that aside, I'm finally starting to get over my own hang ups with the setting, I'm finally coming to terms with AoS as a different game entirely rather than what I consider a failed WHFB reboot, and I'll admit that this video actually helps with all that. Prior to having this explained in this way (I'm firmly in the 'I'm not gonna buy 10 Battletomes just to have the lore I need to understand what the heck is going on' camp), my view of the mortal realms was just this infinite series of planets (I kind of got the feeling of almost multiple galaxies in each realm after reading the first couple of books) where the background team and fluff-writers could literally do whatever they wanted to do with no consequence. This changes quite a bit if each realm, of which there are a finite number, is just essentially one large planet connected by the realm gates. Now things can happen that have real consequence and battles may actually begin to matter.
Looking at the scale of the realm-spheres shown in the video - the individual realms are much bigger than that, it looks like several hundred (maybe more) continent sized landmasses in each - so more like the Ringworld or Dyson Sphere scale. So whilst its not infinite each is truly vast and this fits with the fluff info thus far. Few of the larger landmasses that we have had described in the books are linked directly except by realmgates and the distances that are talked about are gigantic.
I was pleased to see a basic timeline but it would be really awesome to have some sort of calendar or way of measuring dates - there are occasional references in the books but these are very very rare.!
Each of those landmasses are most likely far larger than a continent. As Hammerhal is sated to be the size of a continent by itself, But is only a dot on the map in firestorm.
Reading the Warhammer Community article again, although it has a photo of the bilepiper, it doesn’t actually say he’s being released this week. Confusing.
What I like is that Nagash is so self aware in this video also is it the same voice actor from the audio drama? ANYWAY HYPE HYPE HYPE. Right gotta switch back to my mannfred avatar.
Also each Mortarch has a legion, along with Nagash himself having one. You know way back when when I said Death should have rules depending on which Mortarch you use? GW went for it!
Yo check the marauder next to the chieftain with the spiked shield, gotta be a new model. Please oh please.
Always love me some new artwork.
I just pray this Death Battletome doesn't mean there won't be any new models for Death. Some plastic Vampires to go along with those new Soulblight allegiance would be much appreciated.
Edit: help me fam, I bought a Mortarch but I'm stuck on who to choose. Finished the Undying King and was in love with Neferata. But then I didn't expect to find Arkhan so 'human,' he actually seems like a nice guy if you are on his side. Plus he got the TK swagger goin on. They have the banter together. I am conflicteeeeeed.
Yo check the marauder next to the chieftain with the spiked shield, gotta be a new model. Please oh please.
Always love me some new artwork.
I just pray this Death Battletome doesn't mean there won't be any new models for Death. Some plastic Vampires to go along with those new Soulblight allegiance would be much appreciated.
you’ll find the warscrolls for every single Death model (so far…)
I think we are getting some new models but not too many, like the blight kings death kinda got a lot of new models for end times(they were for AOS). I do agree that we need a plastic vampire, plastic blood knights and new zombies. Those are my three wants and on my wish list? A plastic liche wizard.
New Soulblight kits, vampires, blood knights and bats, along with zombies (maybe skeletons? They aint too bad) and re-releasing the Tomb King constructs, Ushabtis, Sphynxs and Necropolis and I would be one happy lad.
New Soulblight kits, vampires, blood knights and bats, along with zombies (maybe skeletons? They aint too bad) and re-releasing the Tomb King constructs, Ushabtis, Sphynxs and Necropolis and I would be one happy lad.
Doing more for Deathrattle would be good with the Tomb Kings
but yeah i really want some more Soulblight - male and female Blood Knights, some courtier types and of course the Vampire pirates they mentioned before,
New Marauders, new Zombies, new ANYthing for Undead, would be sooo good. Things that were needed for WHFB already and even more years later. Basically anything not Sigmarines or Chaos.
The Shadespire skellies are a great improvement on the already good looking current skellies, just way more durable without that spine connection point, so any potentially spindly units Death may get will probably be like that. Hopefully something like Mandrakes or Cairn Wraiths as a full unit with swirling cloaks and curved blades everywhere.
I find the three Mortarchs a bit boring compared to the vast variety offered by the old bloodlines and Khemri, but, ehh, I had my chance to buy a Necrosphinx or two, I guess. Vampire Pirates being a faction with real support doesn't fully make up for losing Egyptian Undead and Bretonnia to use as Blood Dragon conversion material. Still, I have several ideas for Undead so most releases would help in some form.
So, I want the Chaos War Queen for D&D, the "Ghost" for both D&D and because I'm being reeeaaally tempted to start Death and the Goblin for my Ironjawz.
£20 minimum as your paying for the model, the additional rules and the special malign portents box.
Last week's Lego head stormcast was £20 So there's your minimum but I could see them pricing them at primaris level £22.50, however these are super special characters so £25 is possible that way any mug..erm I mean customer who has to have all 4 is paying £100 for what is in total maybe half a sprue or 1 sprue?
highlord tamburlaine wrote: It looks like the new heroes are all going to be snap- fit like the Mozgus- headed Stormcast of Charging +3. Interesting choice.
I wonder if this will be a thing for heroes going forward. If only their prices reflected being these easier build, no glue needed type kits.
They look like any other hero sprue to me. What makes you think they're snap-fit?
SeanDrake wrote: £20 minimum as your paying for the model, the additional rules and the special malign portents box.
Last week's Lego head stormcast was £20 So there's your minimum but I could see them pricing them at primaris level £22.50, however these are super special characters so £25 is possible that way any mug..erm I mean customer who has to have all 4 is paying £100 for what is in total maybe half a sprue or 1 sprue?
Ah, so we're in the 'make prices up and then complain about them' stage. Cool.
SeanDrake wrote: £20 minimum as your paying for the model, the additional rules and the special malign portents box.
Last week's Lego head stormcast was £20 So there's your minimum but I could see them pricing them at primaris level £22.50, however these are super special characters so £25 is possible that way any mug..erm I mean customer who has to have all 4 is paying £100 for what is in total maybe half a sprue or 1 sprue?
Ah, so we're in the 'make prices up and then complain about them' stage. Cool.
They just released Lego head for £20 last week as such taking this into account with other boxed hero's in 40k and AoS you can reasonably extrapolate a potential price for a similar product.
Ahhh but we're in the blind faith and denial stage cool
SeanDrake wrote: £20 minimum as your paying for the model, the additional rules and the special malign portents box.
Last week's Lego head stormcast was £20 So there's your minimum but I could see them pricing them at primaris level £22.50, however these are super special characters so £25 is possible that way any mug..erm I mean customer who has to have all 4 is paying £100 for what is in total maybe half a sprue or 1 sprue?
Ah, so we're in the 'make prices up and then complain about them' stage. Cool.
They just released Lego head for £20 last week as such taking this into account with other boxed hero's in 40k and AoS you can reasonably extrapolate a potential price for a similar product.
Ahhh but we're in the blind faith and denial stage cool
By all means, when the price is released, if it's too much, say. But complaining before we even know the price is such a waste of effort.
SeanDrake wrote: £20 minimum as your paying for the model, the additional rules and the special malign portents box.
Last week's Lego head stormcast was £20 So there's your minimum but I could see them pricing them at primaris level £22.50, however these are super special characters so £25 is possible that way any mug..erm I mean customer who has to have all 4 is paying £100 for what is in total maybe half a sprue or 1 sprue?
Ah, so we're in the 'make prices up and then complain about them' stage. Cool.
They just released Lego head for £20 last week as such taking this into account with other boxed hero's in 40k and AoS you can reasonably extrapolate a potential price for a similar product.
Ahhh but we're in the blind faith and denial stage cool
By all means, when the price is released, if it's too much, say. But complaining before we even know the price is such a waste of effort.
Literally any discussion of any kind prior to concrete, official information from the company is "wasted effort" in an absolute sense, so if that's your standard why come to a discussion forum with the express purpose of discussing rumours about and speculating on unreleased products?
Or is this just yet another example of double-standards from the Positivity Police, who will happily sit and spin speculative yarns all the live long day so long as they're utterly uncritical and take no account of previous patterns of releases and behaviour?
SeanDrake wrote: £20 minimum as your paying for the model, the additional rules and the special malign portents box.
Last week's Lego head stormcast was £20 So there's your minimum but I could see them pricing them at primaris level £22.50, however these are super special characters so £25 is possible that way any mug..erm I mean customer who has to have all 4 is paying £100 for what is in total maybe half a sprue or 1 sprue?
Ah, so we're in the 'make prices up and then complain about them' stage. Cool.
They just released Lego head for £20 last week as such taking this into account with other boxed hero's in 40k and AoS you can reasonably extrapolate a potential price for a similar product.
Ahhh but we're in the blind faith and denial stage cool
By all means, when the price is released, if it's too much, say. But complaining before we even know the price is such a waste of effort.
Literally any discussion of any kind prior to concrete, official information from the company is "wasted effort" in an absolute sense, so if that's your standard why come to a discussion forum with the express purpose of discussing rumours about and speculating on unreleased products?
Or is this just yet another example of double-standards from the Positivity Police, who will happily sit and spin speculative yarns all the live long day so long as they're utterly uncritical and take no account of previous patterns of releases and behaviour?
I wouldn't put myself in the 'positivity police' group. I just don't see the point in being annoyed about prices that we don't know yet.
Also, I know it was revealed a week or so ago, but is that Mushroom Goblin not the epitome of Flanderisation? Yikes...
Nah... then he would swing ball and chain in both hands and riding on a Squig that has a standard bearer in it's mouth - the standard being a huge mushroom.
Also, I know it was revealed a week or so ago, but is that Mushroom Goblin not the epitome of Flanderisation? Yikes...
Nah... then he would swing ball and chain in both hands and riding on a Squig that has a standard bearer in it's mouth - the standard being a huge mushroom.
It's sort-of Flanderised, but then all of AoS has been about making individual factions more distinct. He also seems to represent the extreme outlying element rather than the norm, after all if even orcs are following a goblin that goblin must be a pretty big deal.
SeanDrake wrote: £20 minimum as your paying for the model, the additional rules and the special malign portents box.
Last week's Lego head stormcast was £20 So there's your minimum but I could see them pricing them at primaris level £22.50, however these are super special characters so £25 is possible that way any mug..erm I mean customer who has to have all 4 is paying £100 for what is in total maybe half a sprue or 1 sprue?
Ah, so we're in the 'make prices up and then complain about them' stage. Cool.
They just released Lego head for £20 last week as such taking this into account with other boxed hero's in 40k and AoS you can reasonably extrapolate a potential price for a similar product.
Ahhh but we're in the blind faith and denial stage cool
By all means, when the price is released, if it's too much, say. But complaining before we even know the price is such a waste of effort.
Literally any discussion of any kind prior to concrete, official information from the company is "wasted effort" in an absolute sense, so if that's your standard why come to a discussion forum with the express purpose of discussing rumours about and speculating on unreleased products?
Or is this just yet another example of double-standards from the Positivity Police, who will happily sit and spin speculative yarns all the live long day so long as they're utterly uncritical and take no account of previous patterns of releases and behaviour?
It's just that no one cares how skint someone else is.
They look like any other hero sprue to me. What makes you think they're snap-fit?
The tactical rubble is what makes me think that.
Look at the death model and the tactical debris that's stationed in front of the completed model. If you look closely at the sprue, that part's got a plug on the bottom to fill in the pre-cut hole on the base. Those pre drilled holes on the bases only show up on the easy to build kits or starter box figures.
The new lord celestant with the meaty meat head was snap fit as well, despite his traditional clamshell hero (over) pricing.
Still cool kits. Just wish the pricing was a bit fairer to reflect the difficulty.
SeanDrake wrote: £20 minimum as your paying for the model, the additional rules and the special malign portents box.
Last week's Lego head stormcast was £20 So there's your minimum but I could see them pricing them at primaris level £22.50, however these are super special characters so £25 is possible that way any mug..erm I mean customer who has to have all 4 is paying £100 for what is in total maybe half a sprue or 1 sprue?
Ah, so we're in the 'make prices up and then complain about them' stage. Cool.
They just released Lego head for £20 last week as such taking this into account with other boxed hero's in 40k and AoS you can reasonably extrapolate a potential price for a similar product.
Ahhh but we're in the blind faith and denial stage cool
By all means, when the price is released, if it's too much, say. But complaining before we even know the price is such a waste of effort.
Literally any discussion of any kind prior to concrete, official information from the company is "wasted effort" in an absolute sense, so if that's your standard why come to a discussion forum with the express purpose of discussing rumours about and speculating on unreleased products?
Or is this just yet another example of double-standards from the Positivity Police, who will happily sit and spin speculative yarns all the live long day so long as they're utterly uncritical and take no account of previous patterns of releases and behaviour?
It's just that no one cares how skint someone else is.
People are similarly uninterested in those who imply the reverse.
Also, lol at the idea only people who can't afford something can think the value proposition is insufficient to justify the price, but that's a common mistake among the sort of people who believe slighting someone's income is a devastating put-down.
SeanDrake wrote: £20 minimum as your paying for the model, the additional rules and the special malign portents box.
Last week's Lego head stormcast was £20 So there's your minimum but I could see them pricing them at primaris level £22.50, however these are super special characters so £25 is possible that way any mug..erm I mean customer who has to have all 4 is paying £100 for what is in total maybe half a sprue or 1 sprue?
Ah, so we're in the 'make prices up and then complain about them' stage. Cool.
They just released Lego head for £20 last week as such taking this into account with other boxed hero's in 40k and AoS you can reasonably extrapolate a potential price for a similar product.
Ahhh but we're in the blind faith and denial stage cool
By all means, when the price is released, if it's too much, say. But complaining before we even know the price is such a waste of effort.
Literally any discussion of any kind prior to concrete, official information from the company is "wasted effort" in an absolute sense, so if that's your standard why come to a discussion forum with the express purpose of discussing rumours about and speculating on unreleased products?
Or is this just yet another example of double-standards from the Positivity Police, who will happily sit and spin speculative yarns all the live long day so long as they're utterly uncritical and take no account of previous patterns of releases and behaviour?
It's just that no one cares how skint someone else is.
Ok well to the first gallant gentleman I would point out that nowhere did I complain about the price just gave my opinion on what it would be when someone asked.
To the 2nd gallant gentleman who mentioned being skint?
I know it's the internet and all. But at a guess I most likely own models older than you and have more toy soldiers in my backlog than you will likely own in your life.
That said if they do come in at £25.00 then you would have to be flying rodent gak crazy to buy them hell you got a box of Goldswords for that gak that would put them at the same price as Kingdom Death's Ltd edition stuff and that actually has a resale value.
Seriously going to get band because of the God damn cult of AoS again there worse than scientology followers.
Meh, not crazy but if they are expensive i'll just get one to go along with an army instead of two or three for collecting, Silver Tower, etc.
Although between the engineers tabard and the herald's helmet & sword I'm really tempted to get both anyway and kitbash a knight-questor for the realm of death. (Especially if another ST comes out)
Also, I know it was revealed a week or so ago, but is that Mushroom Goblin not the epitome of Flanderisation? Yikes...
Nah... then he would swing ball and chain in both hands and riding on a Squig that has a standard bearer in it's mouth - the standard being a huge mushroom.
It's sort-of Flanderised, but then all of AoS has been about making individual factions more distinct. He also seems to represent the extreme outlying element rather than the norm, after all if even orcs are following a goblin that goblin must be a pretty big deal.
Indeed and I very much enjoy that. I find it fitting with the realms being distinct and emphasized winds of magic, so to would the inhabitants focus on certain aspects of their cultures to a major degree.
Gavriel Sureheart still laughs at the thought of needing glue to hold his meaty manliness together.
I laugh at the thought of anyone buying that model. Bad rules, bad sculpt, totally redundant. Good on those who find a use for him cause a I just don't see it.
Chopstick wrote: I wonder what's inside the Malign Potent hero box that make it so big? Did they also have a deck of card, a comic book or something :d
Likely it's just that they wanted a fancy presentation box and to keep everything on as close to a single sprue as possible.
Hmm, the battle tome version of Grand Alliance Death with rules for all the lovely models models we've been able to buy for ten years. I really hope GW does better than that.
Has any sort of time frame for the Malign Portents release come out of the open day? I haven't seen much coherent coverage of the event. I hope we don't have to wait for the characters until after Custodes are released.
One thing I've just noticed that's been weirding me out recently with non-human GW plastics - what's up with the pignoses? All the new Orc/k models have the same thing, but the difference is really obvious there when you look at the FWGUO's face by comparison.
Yodhrin wrote: One thing I've just noticed that's been weirding me out recently with non-human GW plastics - what's up with the pignoses? All the new Orc/k models have the same thing, but the difference is really obvious there when you look at the FWGUO's face by comparison.
Eh, that's actually a fairly old thing, my old boyz kits (for either setting) have those pignoses.
I was checking price for those two (Glottkin and GUO) and there is reasonable price difference. I mean new greater deamon is great but I would rather buy Glottkin get three characters and buy more stuff.
Special mention has to go to Wayne England references all over the new model. Really nice way of giving credits to one great artist and person who shaped Warhammer image with other great names like Blanche, Miller, Gibbons...
From design and overall shape I would prefer this face expression over weird smiling one (watch out Whoville) but overall very nice model with not so nice price tag.
Yodhrin wrote: One thing I've just noticed that's been weirding me out recently with non-human GW plastics - what's up with the pignoses? All the new Orc/k models have the same thing, but the difference is really obvious there when you look at the FWGUO's face by comparison.
Eh, that's actually a fairly old thing, my old boyz kits (for either setting) have those pignoses.
They actually don't. By which I mean, they have blunted snout-like noses, but not the modern version of that which came in later where they look like actual pignoses - the Flash Gitz were a kind of intermediary stage that had the flatter & more prominent front but retained the more angular overall shape. The Orks & Orcs from the 3rd Ed/6th Ed plastics have a slightly triangular or diamond-shaped snout(expression dependent) and similar nostrils, often with a bit of an angle inwards from the "tip", and a septum that blends into the top lip, while a lot of the newer releases have a very round and flat-front, with rounded nostrils, and a strong definition between the bottom of the nose and the top lip(compare the AoBR Warboss with the Orruk Megaboss, for example).
I get that it's a fairly minor change for most people, but for some reason it just really bugs my eye.
Requizen wrote: No mention of Nagash battletome in those rumors, so either it's not coming out til the summer (doubtful) or they don't have full/any information.
I'm pretty sure the Legions of Nagash tome comes in february, which he, in his full comment, lists as "largely unknown". We will see.
Iron_Captain wrote: Two full new armies for AoS, and two new codices for 40k all released in two months? Seems to me GW releases follow a lot slower pace than that.
Dibs are on the Harlequins and Drukhari only getting dexes. It's been actually a fairly standard pace, considering that they've released 2 dexes a month plus something more (mainly primaris and DG).
Requizen wrote: No mention of Nagash battletome in those rumors, so either it's not coming out til the summer (doubtful) or they don't have full/any information.
He said that February did not know very well. (he forgot thousand sons codex too)
Hit daemons was easy.
But hit custodes with codex and new kits was very difficult.
Requizen wrote: No mention of Nagash battletome in those rumors, so either it's not coming out til the summer (doubtful) or they don't have full/any information.
He said that February did not know very well. (he forgot thousand sons codex too)
Hit daemons was easy.
But hit custodes with codex and new kits was very difficult.
As always a lot of
True. I wish this were true, means I may eventually get my Necrons, and means I can start working on Death sooner than later.
Ah, so the two aelf army rumor gets more plausibility.
Calling it that the rumor engine arrow fletches are for one force and the little wyrm around the arm is for the other Aelven army.
(With how close the AoSrpg is coming up I think the AoS summary video, fluff detailed Nagash book and now two armies to shed more light on the realms of light and shadow are likely why Cubicle7 held back the rpg release for more content they could use. )
Yodhrin wrote: One thing I've just noticed that's been weirding me out recently with non-human GW plastics - what's up with the pignoses? All the new Orc/k models have the same thing, but the difference is really obvious there when you look at the FWGUO's face by comparison.
Eh, that's actually a fairly old thing, my old boyz kits (for either setting) have those pignoses.
They actually don't. By which I mean, they have blunted snout-like noses, but not the modern version of that which came in later where they look like actual pignoses - the Flash Gitz were a kind of intermediary stage that had the flatter & more prominent front but retained the more angular overall shape. The Orks & Orcs from the 3rd Ed/6th Ed plastics have a slightly triangular or diamond-shaped snout(expression dependent) and similar nostrils, often with a bit of an angle inwards from the "tip", and a septum that blends into the top lip, while a lot of the newer releases have a very round and flat-front, with rounded nostrils, and a strong definition between the bottom of the nose and the top lip(compare the AoBR Warboss with the Orruk Megaboss, for example).
I get that it's a fairly minor change for most people, but for some reason it just really bugs my eye.
Requizen wrote: No mention of Nagash battletome in those rumors, so either it's not coming out til the summer (doubtful) or they don't have full/any information.
I'm pretty sure the Legions of Nagash tome comes in february, which he, in his full comment, lists as "largely unknown". We will see.
At least one week of the second half of February is Gang War 2, Orlocks, FW Bounty Hunter models, and maybe the Escher FW weapon packs.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I described the evident if minor difference in detail in the post you quote.
Two new elves army in such a short span!!!! Salt overdose
This is rumour also from that same guy (supposely) on disqus:
2 new Elf faction :
- Water elves cthulu rider.
- An all female elf cult worship the snake deity, who will had 2 kit in both snake and human from, which surprise me that would be the snake rumour pic (and not Fulgrim)
Two new elves army in such a short span!!!! Salt overdose
This is rumour also from that same guy (supposely) on disqus:
2 new Elf faction :
- Water elves cthulu rider.
- An all female elf cult worship the snake deity, who will had 2 kit in both snake and human from, which surprise me that would be the snake rumour pic (and not Fulgrim)
If true, that deity thing will make for good Slaanesh Daemon Princes.
If they follow the current GW trend for multi builds I could see GW releasing two Elven factions over two months. The Kharadron have six kits plus five solo characters, while Fyreslayers have even less with only three kits and four solo characters. Not to mention the new armies could make use of existing kits and absorb some of the existing Elven mini factions to fill out there ranks.
Two new elves army in such a short span!!!! Salt overdose
This is rumour also from that same guy (supposely) on disqus:
2 new Elf faction :
- Water elves cthulu rider.
- An all female elf cult worship the snake deity, who will had 2 kit in both snake and human from, which surprise me that would be the snake rumour pic (and not Fulgrim)
That sounds very much like something made-up by looking at unsolved rumor engine pictures. It doesn't line up with the Age of Sigmar fluff we've seen so far.
Two elf armies, on the other hand, I could totally see. One for the realm of shadow (Shadowkin, which we know for sure are an Aelf faction), and one for the realm of light. I could even imagine kits being dual-build across armies with a shadow build and a light build.
) but at the same time we saw 
but I think for me it's a combination of things really bumming me out on this.
Please 
) , but see why the Stormcast would have an engineer too.
about the previews. If that 's the case, the internet seems happy to oblige.
but if we finally get our "shadow Elves" in May, I know where my tax return is going. 