OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: wonder if these new stormcast are going to be the answer for those rumour engine lion head shoulder pads (and maybe the fur cloak too)
Could be the shown female Stormcast. Maybe a named hero, possibly one 'old' hero ressurected?
New incarnation of Valten?
Whatever the Stormcast is, it seems to be a 'named hero'--specifically one referred to as "Blacktalon, Sigmar's chosen assassin".
Blacktalon seems to have a similar build to the Vanguard-Hunters, who really don't have a character that specifically ties to just them like the other variants have gotten
Why do assassins always have names like Blacktalon? Why are they never called Jessica or Philip?
Good Question. Maybe the name Philip doesn't scare much of the enemies. "Sir we have word Philip has managed to enter our Fortress." "Which Philip? The Cook, the Guard or the hand maiden?" No sir, Philip the Assassin" - damn, nope hasn't the same feeling to it unless in a Monty Python film.
Seems Mighty Empires is sort-of returning, with some new boxed sets to boot.
I really like how experimental AoS is getting with the stuff outside of the game itself. You've got the big narrative campaign books, matched play, open war cards, skirmish, path to glory, and now Firestorm. There's really enough there for even a small group of players to have a wide variety of different matches and experiences.
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I'm hoping the mortals start gaining ground, chaos backs off, and we can get to something a little more recognizable to old Warhammer than the Realmgate War stuff.
I know the Old World is gone, but the Realmgate stuff got a bit tedious to me.
It's Black Ark Corsairs(20 models--they're probably going to get reboxed from 10 to 20), a Kharibdyss/War Hydra dual kit, the Black Ark Fleetmaster, and the Scourgerunner Chariot.
Damn GW don't let up, artwork is sick, I love how the street light is a giant Stormcast statue, also is that a dryad just walking around too? This is why I love each realm (planet) being so different, you end up with cool themed collaborations of the different citizens in each realm.
I'm not really too fond of the Dwarves at the moment after they backstabbed me in Total War and hindered my assault on Marienburg to finally stabilise the Empire for the coming Northerners, utterly sneaky bearded goblins.
Well these are all nice surprises Looks like Black talon is a Vanguard Hunter hero. I wonder if she will be an actual named special character or just the fluff example of this particular type? Hopefully she will take a leaf out of the Primaris characters book and have the option of a helmed head as well as the bare one shown in the video. Either way another female Stormcast is a welcome addition. Now if only GW(or even FW) would make some femcasts that could be mixed in with the existing units....
I think its great they keep releasing stormcast untill they get it right.
Both vanguard hunters and raptors looks far better than the first guys they released 2 years ago, and the lord Aquilor is by far the most solid hero sculpt in the lineup.
If they do a more slender asassin type now Im only pleased they move yet another step in the right direction.
I agree the Stormcast are looking better and better each release, however I'm a little disappointed that those three new boxes are pushing more Stormcast on us. Im sure the price of those boxes will be pretty reasonable, but sadly I have no desire to have even more Stormcast sitting around I dont want.
I dig campaigns, so I'm hoping this Blightwar is a global one. If so, my Tzeentch army is going to have to fight on the side of Order - anything to interfere with Nurgle's plans!
Cool idea fluff wise, the snail will slime its thing all over the ground and the plow will really soak it into the ground, allowing all sorts of nurgly things to grow.
Really the war for the realm of life is between 2 gardeners.
Not going to lie, that Hammerhal collection is very tempting as a way to expand my starter set Stormcast and floundering Empire force, I wonder if the Lord Castellant is Sunhelm in this box/formation since hes still alive after Shadows over Hammerhal.
Yes I saw this earlier, it looks like Black Talon (IIRC) is a female Stormcast? (The picture looks like a female with a breastplate similar to the Shadespire female). Super interesting. Really can't wait to see what is in store!
I think there's a few more rumour pics in the above. The Lion pelt and the lion plate armour are probably her armour too.
Like how the slaanesh abilities fit with the lore background the traits look great to tide us over until a slaanesh release in a few years or so. Also getting kinda tempted to do a skaven army.
I am super hyped up about these two new... things...
Blightwar is perfect, Azag's legion has been sitting on their shelf for long enough, and will definitely be happy to go do more conquering in the name of their patron. I wonder if I should email GW and ask to get Azag canonised...
And Firestorm not only has an awesome name, its just what I want from a table top game! I absolutely love the tactical aspect of city management, and most of my homemade tabletop games reflect that. Plus, my chaos army has been lying around in Gyran for quite some time, and those fire mountains look like a nice place for a new fortress...
Well, a good nurgle release COULD finally get me excited about AoS. Would love to see more stuff relating to the blight kings and gutrot spume, over just demons though.
I wonder if the snail rider is a new version of epidemius? I assume they're looking to finally get him in plastic. From what I can tell from the drawing, the rider is holding large rusted hedge clippers, but I could be wrong. In any case, between this, and the death guard release I hope we finally get a plastic palanquin in some form. If the character 'grows n harvests' nurgling swarms I will be very happy!
skullking wrote: Well, a good nurgle release COULD finally get me excited about AoS. Would love to see more stuff relating to the blight kings and gutrot spume, over just demons though.
I wonder if the snail rider is a new version of epidemius? I assume they're looking to finally get him in plastic. From what I can tell from the drawing, the rider is holding large rusted hedge clippers, but I could be wrong. In any case, between this, and the death guard release I hope we finally get a plastic palanquin in some form. If the character 'grows n harvests' nurgling swarms I will be very happy!
I'm really hoping that Blightkings drop in points by a decent amount. They're better per model than chaos warriors, but 5 blightkings doesn't compare to 10 warriors (currently cost the same). Cheaper blightkings, a good allegiance ability, and much more flexible battleline rules (ie, blightkings always battleline, or battleline in any nurgle army), and I'll be happy.
skullking wrote: Well, a good nurgle release COULD finally get me excited about AoS. Would love to see more stuff relating to the blight kings and gutrot spume, over just demons though.
I wonder if the snail rider is a new version of epidemius? I assume they're looking to finally get him in plastic. From what I can tell from the drawing, the rider is holding large rusted hedge clippers, but I could be wrong. In any case, between this, and the death guard release I hope we finally get a plastic palanquin in some form. If the character 'grows n harvests' nurgling swarms I will be very happy!
I'm really hoping that Blightkings drop in points by a decent amount. They're better per model than chaos warriors, but 5 blightkings doesn't compare to 10 warriors (currently cost the same). Cheaper blightkings, a good allegiance ability, and much more flexible battleline rules (ie, blightkings always battleline, or battleline in any nurgle army), and I'll be happy.
Are you serious? Blightkings are awesome, I'd still take them at 200 points even.
decker_cky wrote: I'm really hoping that Blightkings drop in points by a decent amount. They're better per model than chaos warriors, but 5 blightkings doesn't compare to 10 warriors (currently cost the same). Cheaper blightkings, a good allegiance ability, and much more flexible battleline rules (ie, blightkings always battleline, or battleline in any nurgle army), and I'll be happy.
Are you serious? Blightkings are awesome, I'd still take them at 200 points even.
Yeah, holy crap, 5 Blightkings can murder anything in the game. I'd much rather take 5 Blightkings than any number of normal Chaos Warriors They're super survivable and hit so very hard.
So glad I'm not obligated to convert 5 thunderers with mortars now. The nerf to mortars is poorly done, but they were already a unit where four of the weapon options weren't getting used so the situation hasn't exactly changed; it's the downside of having one warscroll : one cost.
Does that mean seeker cavalry , in a slaanesh daemon cohort, with seeker allegiance can move 17 run 2d6 then charge 2d6+2 ? for an average threat range of 33 inches ?
Hhellstriders and seeker chariots been battle line is awesome.
NinthMusketeer wrote: So glad I'm not obligated to convert 5 thunderers with mortars now. The nerf to mortars is poorly done, but they were already a unit where four of the weapon options weren't getting used so the situation hasn't exactly changed; it's the downside of having one warscroll : one cost.
And this is why I didn't build my kharadron until after the ghb dropped. I figured my build would get nerfed one way or another so now I didn't wastell $160 on thunderers. Looks like more arkanaught companiy!
Does that mean seeker cavalry , in a slaanesh daemon cohort, with seeker allegiance can move 17 run 2d6 then charge 2d6+2 ? for an average threat range of 33 inches ?
Hhellstriders and seeker chariots been battle line is awesome.
Yes, but seekers are already plenty fast enough to perform whatever maneuvers you may want so going Seeker Allegiance is redundant for a player using them significantly.
Nah, one of each weapon is what I don't care for. They could have nerfed the mortar but not that plus loadout. Either way it's all good. Makes my company units an easy choice unless the points ts for the thunderers dropped.
It's also in the SC kit. I have two of them! The Gorebeast variant can be pretty scary. Never used the horses, though.
Hmm, I might have to pick up a few of them. I've always wanted those Chaos Knights, but the set of 10 is too expensive...
*sits back in his rocking chair*
Back in my day, a set of 5 Chaos Knights was expensive!
You whippersnappers these days...
With that out of the way, I really hope my Wanderers get actual repacks(not just bases) soon. I'd kill for a pack of 10 Wild Riders at $60 and a pack of 20 Eternal Guard for $50.
It's also in the SC kit. I have two of them! The Gorebeast variant can be pretty scary. Never used the horses, though.
Hmm, I might have to pick up a few of them. I've always wanted those Chaos Knights, but the set of 10 is too expensive...
Definitely worth the money. You get a competent spell caster, five strong cavalry, a solid chariot unit, and a dozen of arguably the best battleline unit in the game! It may not be the best "deal" as far as discount for the price, but the Slaves to Darkness Start Collecting kit is, in my mind, the best value on the tabletop.
It's also in the SC kit. I have two of them! The Gorebeast variant can be pretty scary. Never used the horses, though.
Hmm, I might have to pick up a few of them. I've always wanted those Chaos Knights, but the set of 10 is too expensive...
*sits back in his rocking chair*
Back in my day, a set of 5 Chaos Knights was expensive!
You whippersnappers these days...
With that out of the way, I really hope my Wanderers get actual repacks(not just bases) soon. I'd kill for a pack of 10 Wild Riders at $60 and a pack of 20 Eternal Guard for $50.
Ooh, 20 packs of eternal guard would be awesome. Which reminds me, I have a few warhawks that need painting...
Requizen wrote: Wait from what I can tell the Gaming edition comes with Open Play cards but the Warlord Edition does not?
The 'Gaming Collection' is just a bundle of the cards and the book.
Yes but I'm asking if Warlord Edition will have the Open War cards as well or if I'll have to get them separate.
They don't come with the warlord edition no.
'This edition of the General’s Handbook comes with a host of extra content:
25 exclusive battleplan cards, featuring the new battleplans from the book;
27 reference cards, covering Coalition of Death, Triumph & Treachery and the new Matched Play Triumphs;
A sheet of tokens covering terrain markers, wound markers, terrain effects, magic statuses and battleshock;
2 victory point trackers;
2 summoning rulers;
A pad of 50 blank rosters for Matched Play games.'
I still think it would be cool if the Old World was 'resurrected.' Not like roll everything back but over time with the help of some godly/god-beast magic, the glowing star cooled and re-formed into the planet again, leaving everything bare. There would be no monuments, no cities, no ruins, just a blank slate and the geography we all know and love. The World would be just like the others, only now worth fighting for to claim new land.
Could produce some nice what ifs, maybe Order decides to settle in Lustria first, or Mannfred decides to build a new castle where Altdorf once stood. Ahwell I can ramble.
Well they're mining the core to produce stormcast equipment and have a floating ring-citadel built around it, so the old world coming back in literal form is largely impossible.
They could always do something like that with the "crust" of the Old World stuck in realm of chaos since the core was all that came out of it.
The warp's distortion of reality would mean any timeline and characters could be focused on and it'd basically be a sandbox for the dark gods to play with. (So status quo really)
Anyway there's always the rpg books made by Cubicle7 to look forward to.
We'll be playing there or in a generic world.
Well if it's generic why not just use the beast realm? It's basically mega-sized Earth with beasties to match.
Seen a few comments here about the boxes so thought it might be worth a clarification. The Allies boxes are the ones with a savings. The "John's X" boxes are one click bundles with no savings.
I'm betting they will. Probably will get Ironjaws next considering the hints from the Path to Glory's bonesplitterz heading to Hammerhal and that Facebook Hammerhal poster showing fire-bellies and squigs on the rise.
So we might get Ironjaws+ savage orruks/ogre infantry/squig herds.
If anyone's interested, the prices for the Mighty Empires bundles are 130 euros each. Eventh though it's +- 40% added value, I still won't be buying them, for for me it's just a shameless business strategy to sell old models that probably aren't selling.
What is shameless about selling models? Old models at a discount? Bundled? We are here for the looks. Models don't lost value over time, if you like how it looks. They aren't cellphones.
Yes, exactly. Forcing you into thinking they are the good guys by giving you a discount for models you probably wouldn't have bought in the first place. And getting rid of the old stock.
And that's why nobody's buying them. Because they look out of scale/too old, compared to the new stuff GW's putting out. Just look at the Chaos Warriors..
CragHack wrote: Yes, exactly. Forcing you into thinking they are the good guys by giving you a discount for models you probably wouldn't have bought in the first place. And getting rid of the old stock.
What? This just reads overly cynical silliness to me. It's a bundled discount, individuals who did not want those models at the price to get them individually may want them with the reduced price. It's the basics of price vs demand, you lower the price and demand goes up. They aren't 'forcing' people into thinking anything.
Pretty much. Those models aren't that old and still show up with good consistency among the AoS fanbase, so not sure where "not buying because it's out of scale" is coming from. There's hardly been any scale creep, saying the different scales hurt now is like saying chaos warriors never sold because marauders we're never as big as chaos knights and chosen.
Also, that artwork with the red plague doctor looks like the one from dark souls.
Baron Klatz wrote: Pretty much. Those models aren't that old and still show up with good consistency among the AoS fanbase, so not sure where "not buying because it's out of scale" is coming from. There's hardly been any scale creep, saying the different scales hurt now is like saying chaos warriors never sold because marauders we're never as big as chaos knights and chosen.
Also, that artwork with the red plague doctor looks like the one from dark souls.
And yet the haters still try using it in argument after argument to try and support their ridiculous herohammer/monsterhammer claims and that infantry don't matter. -_-
I'd love to see them try those "OP" herohammer tactics against Bonesplitterz and watch all their heroes and monsters become pincushions. (And my visualization of them getting tea-bagged by loin-cloth orcs)
Those sets are splash releases, right? I never bought Chaos chariots for my brothers army, because I don't want to spend 35€ a pop for HIS dudes, even if I want to build and convert them. At 44€ for two and more knights, though, when imported...I mean, I could use the Gorebeasts as Dark Mech servitor weapon platforms.
Realmgate Wars of course ran to five volumes. But, that was the opening of the game, and had to get us from A to B as a journey.
If Blightwars is more tightly focussed, perhaps two, maybe three volumes?
Realmgate Wars was only four books. The first book was more like a prologue and not branded as part of the Realmgate Wars. I'd expect this new one to be four books as well, but maybe spread out over a longer time. I think the last RGW book was less than a month after the third.
Wow, those are some impressive miniatures. I haven't been following Age of Sigmar lately and just coming back and I am really impressed with these minis. I just found out yesterday a new edition is coming out. Man I am missing a lot.
I can`t decide whether I like the snail or not!
It`s somehow very hard for me.. Its shell and legs = great!
It`s mount, face and random stuff on its back = toooo cartoony. Like hearthstone level stuff. ( I don`t mind it in a mobile card game, but minis with this kind of style - not my style).
Looks temoting to get the nurgly half though. I didn`t get Start Collecting yet, so I want all the toys from the evil side And the snail is plastic, so the conversion job mustn`t be too hard.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Damn, i wonder how hard it's going to be to get hold of just Neave? I want her just as a painting project.
Same. It is nice that they're adding female Stormcasts but it is annoying that both of them are only available in big boxes with bunch of other models I don't want.
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:I can`t decide whether I like the snail or not!
It`s somehow very hard for me.. Its shell and legs = great!
It`s mount, face and random stuff on its back = toooo cartoony. Like hearthstone level stuff. ( I don`t mind it in a mobile card game, but minis with this kind of style - not my style).
Looks temoting to get the nurgly half though. I didn`t get Start Collecting yet, so I want all the toys from the evil side And the snail is plastic, so the conversion job mustn`t be too hard.
I think a lot of the cartoony-ness of the snail is the way the eyes are painted, tbh.
Crimson wrote:
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Damn, i wonder how hard it's going to be to get hold of just Neave? I want her just as a painting project.
Same. It is nice that they're adding female Stormcasts but it is annoying that both of them are only available in big boxes with bunch of other models I don't want.
I assume they'll be available separately at some point later.
Just to let people know the box contains Nurgle allegiance abilities. Wait clan pestelins can benefit from this box as well? Don't they also have the nurgle keyword?
Must be the paintjob, but the snail is too much on the humorous side IMO. Not a fan at all... The stormcast hero is a really nice model on the other side. I prefer stormcast all male, though, as seen from the beginning (casted in the image of Sigmar blah blah)...
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:I can`t decide whether I like the snail or not!
It`s somehow very hard for me.. Its shell and legs = great!
It`s mount, face and random stuff on its back = toooo cartoony. Like hearthstone level stuff. ( I don`t mind it in a mobile card game, but minis with this kind of style - not my style).
Looks temoting to get the nurgly half though. I didn`t get Start Collecting yet, so I want all the toys from the evil side And the snail is plastic, so the conversion job mustn`t be too hard.
I think a lot of the cartoony-ness of the snail is the way the eyes are painted, tbh.
Crimson wrote:
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Damn, i wonder how hard it's going to be to get hold of just Neave? I want her just as a painting project.
Same. It is nice that they're adding female Stormcasts but it is annoying that both of them are only available in big boxes with bunch of other models I don't want.
I assume they'll be available separately at some point later.
Just don't fancy waiting 6+ months for it. Oh well, i'm sure the boxes are going to get pieced out in two weeks on the trade groups.
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CoreCommander wrote: Must be the paintjob, but the snail is too much on the humorous side IMO. Not a fan at all... The stormcast hero is a really nice model on the other side. I prefer stormcast all male, though, as seen from the beginning (casted in the image of Sigmar blah blah)...
CoreCommander wrote: Must be the paintjob, but the snail is too much on the humorous side IMO. Not a fan at all... The stormcast hero is a really nice model on the other side. I prefer stormcast all male, though, as seen from the beginning (casted in the image of Sigmar blah blah)...
They were never all male, we've just not seen female ones until recently.
That nurgle snail is awesome! I dont know why I love it so much but it is made out of pure win! xD I hope it comes out for nurgle daemons in AoS and 40k, If so my Death Guard must have Nurgle Daemon allies, Just to get the snail.. xD
CoreCommander wrote: Must be the paintjob, but the snail is too much on the humorous side IMO. Not a fan at all... The stormcast hero is a really nice model on the other side. I prefer stormcast all male, though, as seen from the beginning (casted in the image of Sigmar blah blah)...
They were never all male, we've just not seen female ones until recently.
Yeah. I would have preferred to see the armor being more unisex, but that female stormcast looks suitably beefy, so I'm willing to give a pass to the boob armor
Haha, I wonder if that snail was painted like that because 1d4chan called the End Times quest to save Shallya from Nurgle's Garden "Warhammers' s version of Alice in Wonderland".
Just his whole gardener theme is really neat. (Though I wonder what he did to warrant an assassin going after him?)
(Also just now realizing that nurgling is a carrot-on-a-stick)
The Stormcast are epic as always and the helmet option for her is nice.
Only complaint is Nurgle knights would've been appreciated for kitbash. Though since that's a gardener gathering up a local pox posse it's understandable.
Gah as much as I wanted to keep my Stormcast all helmeted, that is a really nice bare head sculpt on Black talon . The Nurgle side looks like a SC box with Horticulous in place of the Herald and depending on the price that's a decent amount of Stormcast as well.
CoreCommander wrote: Must be the paintjob, but the snail is too much on the humorous side IMO. Not a fan at all... The stormcast hero is a really nice model on the other side. I prefer stormcast all male, though, as seen from the beginning (casted in the image of Sigmar blah blah)...
They were never all male, we've just not seen female ones until recently.
Indeed, Stormcast have both men and women in the ranks with some chambers being entirely women like the Daughters Draconis.
CoreCommander wrote: Must be the paintjob, but the snail is too much on the humorous side IMO. Not a fan at all... The stormcast hero is a really nice model on the other side. I prefer stormcast all male, though, as seen from the beginning (casted in the image of Sigmar blah blah)...
They were never all male, we've just not seen female ones until recently.
To be fair, we never knew that the female ones would in fact look this female.
There was a bit of debate about the "Reforging" process, whether or not it removed defining aspects of someone and essentially left their spirit in place. I like the model without the helm as I think the helm looks too effeminate/goofy(but I think many of the Stormcast helms look goofy).
CoreCommander wrote: Must be the paintjob, but the snail is too much on the humorous side IMO. Not a fan at all... The stormcast hero is a really nice model on the other side. I prefer stormcast all male, though, as seen from the beginning (casted in the image of Sigmar blah blah)...
As said by others; there've always been female stormcast.
CoreCommander wrote: Must be the paintjob, but the snail is too much on the humorous side IMO. Not a fan at all... The stormcast hero is a really nice model on the other side. I prefer stormcast all male, though, as seen from the beginning (casted in the image of Sigmar blah blah)...
As said by others; there've always been female stormcast.
IIRC there have always been female stormcast by means of omission (speaking of great heroes reforged blah blag). The first mention of a female being made into a stormcast was either in Balance of Power or in Godbeasts where an entire family (with Florentian sounding names) were reforged. Up until then and after that (excluding Shadespire, Blightwar and a possible mention I've missed) all stormcast have been either portrayed as male in artwork and fiction or have been mentioned with nothing indicating them as female.
I'm not against female stormcast or whatever for those waiting to pounce. I just prefer them, lorewise, to be portrayed as human males as Sigmar remade their soul stuff in his image... as stormcast were portrayed early on in art and fiction (trollface)
CoreCommander wrote: Must be the paintjob, but the snail is too much on the humorous side IMO. Not a fan at all... The stormcast hero is a really nice model on the other side. I prefer stormcast all male, though, as seen from the beginning (casted in the image of Sigmar blah blah)...
As said by others; there've always been female stormcast.
IIRC there have always been female stormcast by means of omission (speaking of great heroes reforged blah blag). The first mention of a female being made into a stormcast was either in Balance of Power or in Godbeasts where an entire family (with Florentian sounding names) were reforged. Up until then and after that (excluding Shadespire, Blightwar and a possible mention I've missed) all stormcast have been either portrayed as male in artwork and fiction or have been mentioned with nothing indicating them as female.
I'm not against female stormcast or whatever for those waiting to pounce. I just prefer them, lorewise, to be portrayed as human males as Sigmar remade their soul stuff in his image... as stormcast were portrayed early on in art and fiction (trollface)
I actually give the Stormcast some props because they have female models. While I don't personally like Stormcast enough to collect them I think that model is a great one and they did the face good. Also I would have found it weird if they made her super sexy it's not the Stormcast style.
CoreCommander wrote: Must be the paintjob, but the snail is too much on the humorous side IMO. Not a fan at all... The stormcast hero is a really nice model on the other side. I prefer stormcast all male, though, as seen from the beginning (casted in the image of Sigmar blah blah)...
As said by others; there've always been female stormcast.
IIRC there have always been female stormcast by means of omission (speaking of great heroes reforged blah blag). The first mention of a female being made into a stormcast was either in Balance of Power or in Godbeasts where an entire family (with Florentian sounding names) were reforged. Up until then and after that (excluding Shadespire, Blightwar and a possible mention I've missed) all stormcast have been either portrayed as male in artwork and fiction or have been mentioned with nothing indicating them as female.
I'm not against female stormcast or whatever for those waiting to pounce. I just prefer them, lorewise, to be portrayed as human males as Sigmar remade their soul stuff in his image... as stormcast were portrayed early on in art and fiction (trollface)
I recall in the first campaign book they mentioned heroes taken were men and women and then around release of AOSGW confirmed it on facebook and then it went from there. Honestly having male and female stormcasts is just one more thing that makes them different compared to Astartes which is something I approve of.
I recall in the first campaign book they mentioned heroes taken were men and women and then around release of AOSGW confirmed it on facebook and then it went from there. Honestly having male and female stormcasts is just one more thing that makes them different compared to Astartes which is something I approve of.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't mentioned in the first book (I'll take a look again, though). And again, I'm perfectly okay with women being reforged as long as they are remade into a male form. Let's just drop this while it is still only just slightly weird. I'm sure anyone that have actually read what I wrote wouldn't mind it as it is a personal opinion. The facts about where and when stormcast were first mentioned exclusively as being women reforged is another matter on which I'm willing to argue (with the possibility ofcourse that I'm wrong and if I indeed am will admit it)
Love the gardener, just needs a little less of an eclectic paintjob in my eyes. The snail's face is just a little too silly for my taste, but more than made up for by the fantastic posing on the rider.
It makes sense that most Stormcast are male. They are drawn from combat and war-minded mortals, most of them (perhaps all of them) human. Since males form the overwhelming majority of human military Stormcast would accordingly be mostly male. That's why the models are generally male, the characters are generally male, and we haven't seen female models until now. But they do exist and it's cool that they are getting model support, the IG line could benefit from this treatment as well IMO.
CoreCommander wrote: Must be the paintjob, but the snail is too much on the humorous side IMO. Not a fan at all... The stormcast hero is a really nice model on the other side. I prefer stormcast all male, though, as seen from the beginning (casted in the image of Sigmar blah blah)...
As said by others; there've always been female stormcast.
IIRC there have always been female stormcast by means of omission (speaking of great heroes reforged blah blag). The first mention of a female being made into a stormcast was either in Balance of Power or in Godbeasts where an entire family (with Florentian sounding names) were reforged. Up until then and after that (excluding Shadespire, Blightwar and a possible mention I've missed) all stormcast have been either portrayed as male in artwork and fiction or have been mentioned with nothing indicating them as female.
I'm not against female stormcast or whatever for those waiting to pounce. I just prefer them, lorewise, to be portrayed as human males as Sigmar remade their soul stuff in his image... as stormcast were portrayed early on in art and fiction (trollface)
I think you'll be wanting Space Marines then.
Not really...
Space Marines take existing material and add to it using SCIENCE!. Nothing about them is necessarily magical(I guess Librarians maybe and the origins of the Primarchs, but otherwise it's science-ish), unlike the Stormcast.
Stormcast are forged by magic, and upon their deaths they gradually lose more and more of who they are.
Originally it was implied that some of them were nothing more than soul-stuff animating their armor. It's been relatively recent that we started seeing bared heads and the like.
I can get behind both the female look and male looks, personally, but I can understand where some of the people wanting them to be portrayed as more statue/automaton-esque are coming from.
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Eldarain wrote: What is the price point on this going to be? Those are pricey Stormcast.
I'm guessing ~$150 on the high side, ~$125 on the low-side. USD of course.
Notice it doesn't come with a rulebook or anything. It's got the small rules pamphlet that GW shops give away for free, a dial with the special scenery rules that the Realm of Life had, and what looks like the kind of small booklet we saw with Death Masque, Stormclaw, etc.
It's also worth mentioning that one of the big ticket items for Stormcast is a halved box. $60 USD for 10 Vanguard Hunters but they give us 5 Vanguard Hunters there.
I recall in the first campaign book they mentioned heroes taken were men and women and then around release of AOSGW confirmed it on facebook and then it went from there. Honestly having male and female stormcasts is just one more thing that makes them different compared to Astartes which is something I approve of.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't mentioned in the first book (I'll take a look again, though). And again, I'm perfectly okay with women being reforged as long as they are remade into a male form. Let's just drop this while it is still only just slightly weird. I'm sure anyone that have actually read what I wrote wouldn't mind it as it is a personal opinion. The facts about where and when stormcast were first mentioned exclusively as being women reforged is another matter on which I'm willing to argue (with the possibility ofcourse that I'm wrong and if I indeed am will admit it)
Going through the first campaign book again they don't specify the aspirants gender. They just call them heroes etc so they left it open ended, I do feel it was during godbeasts and balance of power where they decided to start adding meat to the factions.
CoreCommander wrote: Must be the paintjob, but the snail is too much on the humorous side IMO. Not a fan at all... The stormcast hero is a really nice model on the other side. I prefer stormcast all male, though, as seen from the beginning (casted in the image of Sigmar blah blah)...
As said by others; there've always been female stormcast.
IIRC there have always been female stormcast by means of omission (speaking of great heroes reforged blah blag). The first mention of a female being made into a stormcast was either in Balance of Power or in Godbeasts where an entire family (with Florentian sounding names) were reforged. Up until then and after that (excluding Shadespire, Blightwar and a possible mention I've missed) all stormcast have been either portrayed as male in artwork and fiction or have been mentioned with nothing indicating them as female.
I'm not against female stormcast or whatever for those waiting to pounce. I just prefer them, lorewise, to be portrayed as human males as Sigmar remade their soul stuff in his image... as stormcast were portrayed early on in art and fiction (trollface)
I think you'll be wanting Space Marines then.
Not really...
Space Marines take existing material and add to it using SCIENCE!. Nothing about them is necessarily magical(I guess Librarians maybe and the origins of the Primarchs, but otherwise it's science-ish), unlike the Stormcast.
Stormcast are forged by magic, and upon their deaths they gradually lose more and more of who they are.
Originally it was implied that some of them were nothing more than soul-stuff animating their armor. It's been relatively recent that we started seeing bared heads and the like.
I can get behind both the female look and male looks, personally, but I can understand where some of the people wanting them to be portrayed as more statue/automaton-esque are coming from.
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Eldarain wrote: What is the price point on this going to be? Those are pricey Stormcast.
I'm guessing ~$150 on the high side, ~$125 on the low-side. USD of course.
Notice it doesn't come with a rulebook or anything. It's got the small rules pamphlet that GW shops give away for free, a dial with the special scenery rules that the Realm of Life had, and what looks like the kind of small booklet we saw with Death Masque, Stormclaw, etc.
It's also worth mentioning that one of the big ticket items for Stormcast is a halved box. $60 USD for 10 Vanguard Hunters but they give us 5 Vanguard Hunters there.
The stormcasts took off their helmets in the very first book so I don't get where people got the idea they were energy people only time I saw stuff like that is normally from naysayers. Plus they died like normal men and women blood and all before being zapped back to ayzr.
Not really...
Space Marines take existing material and add to it using SCIENCE!. Nothing about them is necessarily magical(I guess Librarians maybe and the origins of the Primarchs, but otherwise it's science-ish), unlike the Stormcast.
Stormcast are forged by magic, and upon their deaths they gradually lose more and more of who they are.
Originally it was implied that some of them were nothing more than soul-stuff animating their armor. It's been relatively recent that we started seeing bared heads and the like.
I can get behind both the female look and male looks, personally, but I can understand where some of the people wanting them to be portrayed as more statue/automaton-esque are coming from.
The stormcasts took off their helmets in the very first book so I don't get where people got the idea they were energy people only time I saw stuff like that is normally from naysayers. Plus they died like normal men and women blood and all before being zapped back to ayzr.
You'll notice that I said "originally it was implied that some of them were nothing more than soul-stuff animating their armor"...
I didn't specify that every single one of the Stormcast Eternals were like that. The Lord-Relictor IIRC might be why some of the people got the idea that some of these were naught but automatons as he has a few lines somewhere that implies the only thing that still remains of the individual in the armor is "their soul and fighting spirit".
In any regards, I'm just trying to point out that trying to pretend that someone expressing a preference for one portrayal or the other is not necessarily wrong.
I do hope that the Knights-Zephyros(of which Blacktalon is our first look at them) get a male release as well, even if not a named character. It would open them up to having both male and female options for that unit since Blacktalon will be available as well.
Wow, Blacktalon really is a 'good' example of a model being overdesigned. What the hell is going on with her torso? Her boobplate actually looks like it would be painful as hell. Even the helmet looks poor.
As cool as male and female versions of the various Stormcast heroes would be(especially if they brought some new weapon options to the table). Doubling up on the now thirteen types of Stormcast hero would probably be a bit much, even for the settings poster child faction.
GoatboyBeta wrote: As cool as male and female versions of the various Stormcast heroes would be(especially if they brought some new weapon options to the table). Doubling up on the now thirteen types of Stormcast hero would probably be a bit much, even for the settings poster child faction.
Nu-GW has shown their main strategy is "just release a million Space Marine products because people will lap it up." No reason for 'em to stop now I guess, but it does leave both 40k and AoS that much more boring when ever other game is against Space Marines/Sigmarines.
Stormcast Vanguard and the smaller Starter box got released this year as well as a updated battletome for those two starter armies. Doesn't it make since to capitalize on those and the new players they brought in?
Damn Blacktalon is fierce! Easily the best Stormcast model so far. And she's paired with the second best and third best models in the line... that's an amazing box.
I will be honest , I would have preferred a boxed game without the stormcast, but I suppose every game will have them, its like dark imperium stormcast/sigmarines versus nurgle.
Hopefully the snail will have a 1 inch movement stat!
Mymearan wrote: Damn Blacktalon is fierce! Easily the best Stormcast model so far. And she's paired with the second best and third best models in the line... that's an amazing box.
Now let's hope they have the full sprues. Want my palladors with javelins!
I am not sure there is a word to accurately describe how bad that slug is, maybe terribad?
Not only does it look like it's from the 90s cartoon 'ahhh real monsters' but it's got weird design elements, like the anchor/ plow its pulling to 'slow' the slug down.
It's too whimsical and cirquedusoleil.
Nice PG grim dark universe they are setting up.
Only redeeming piece is the shell, which has a ton of garbage on it.
Pariah-Miniatures wrote: Not only does it look like it's from the 90s cartoon 'ahhh real monsters' but it's got weird design elements, like the anchor/ plow its pulling to 'slow' the slug down.
It's too whimsical and cirquedusoleil.
To me it looks like the anchor is actually plowing the ground to sow Nurgle's crops.
Pariah-Miniatures wrote: Not only does it look like it's from the 90s cartoon 'ahhh real monsters' but it's got weird design elements, like the anchor/ plow its pulling to 'slow' the slug down.
It's too whimsical and cirquedusoleil.
To me it looks like the anchor is actually plowing the ground to sow Nurgle's crops.
Pariah-Miniatures wrote: I am not sure there is a word to accurately describe how bad that slug is, maybe terribad?
Not only does it look like it's from the 90s cartoon 'ahhh real monsters' but it's got weird design elements, like the anchor/ plow its pulling to 'slow' the slug down.
It's too whimsical and cirquedusoleil.
Nice PG grim dark universe they are setting up.
Only redeeming piece is the shell, which has a ton of garbage on it.
The Nurgle character is quite interesting. Reminds me of a silly "Earth Wizard" who lugs his gardening supplies around. I must say I love the humor of it; he's got the planters, the potted plants, the giant gardener's shears! The theme here is "Putrid Gardener".
Yes it's silly but in a gloriously befitting way, and I actually love it. :
Oh and the "anchor" is a plow; he's plowing the garden of Nurgle and sowing his seeds.
Pariah-Miniatures wrote: I am not sure there is a word to accurately describe how bad that slug is, maybe terribad?
Not only does it look like it's from the 90s cartoon 'ahhh real monsters' but it's got weird design elements, like the anchor/ plow its pulling to 'slow' the slug down.
It's too whimsical and cirquedusoleil.
Nice PG grim dark universe they are setting up.
Only redeeming piece is the shell, which has a ton of garbage on it.
Vote with your wallets, don't buy crap
You should learn the difference between "I don't like" and "is objectively crap". You'll find they're often very different things.
It always fascinates me when people make posts like this. Do people really think posts like that influence peoples purchasing decisions?
My gripe is there is only one snail.. I would have loved snail cavalry. I am hoping this dude is the equivalent to the Lord-Aquilor and that we might be getting some follow up like the vanguard palladors !!
Pariah-Miniatures wrote: Not only does it look like it's from the 90s cartoon 'ahhh real monsters' but it's got weird design elements, like the anchor/ plow its pulling to 'slow' the slug down.
It's too whimsical and cirquedusoleil.
To me it looks like the anchor is actually plowing the ground to sow Nurgle's crops.
I am so getting at least the Blackthorn as a single figure off Ebay. She will fit so well with my skirmish force of Stormcast who all have bare heads (carefully chosen from Space marines).
Pariah-Miniatures wrote: Not only does it look like it's from the 90s cartoon 'ahhh real monsters' but it's got weird design elements, like the anchor/ plow its pulling to 'slow' the slug down. It's too whimsical and cirquedusoleil.
To me it looks like the anchor is actually plowing the ground to sow Nurgle's crops.
Both items have the same basic function. I'm just more familiar with the cultivator as that is what my grandfather used back when I was young. Either way, its a farming implement and not an anchor.
AegisGrimm wrote: I am so getting at least the Blackthorn as a single figure off Ebay. She will fit so well with my skirmish force of Stormcast who all have bare heads (carefully chosen from Space marines).
I want to get one and mod it a bit to be an Inquisitor.
AegisGrimm wrote: I am so getting at least the Blackthorn as a single figure off Ebay. She will fit so well with my skirmish force of Stormcast who all have bare heads (carefully chosen from Space marines).
I want that model and the game stuff like the campaign book and what-not that comes with the box.
Can't justify buying the whole box even if I had the extra cash.
Just noticed: you can only pick one of each Allies box per order. This surely will help the them to not be sold out as quickly, but still, plenty of them will be gone quite soon.
And I don't have money for even one right now, and I bet the Warherds and Spiderfangs will be the first bundles to be sold out, fml.
On the new Blightwar kit: that snail looks totally wasted. It is goofy as warp, but I want it.
Also, notice that the Warhammer-Community entry says that this will have exclusive miniatures, so expect Blacktalon and Slimux separately next year.
I really doubt that GW will not make them available on their own later on, so far every exclusive kit has been reboxed and re-over-priced. And there is no sense in making mono-pose for already existing sprues.
Also, this might mean that Slimux is not going to be compatible with 40K. Just might be.
Eldarain wrote: Sure it's just not the countries page your on?
You're :p
unmercifulconker wrote: That Moonclan box is staring at me. If they did a Verminus box boy oh boy.
Wow, those are some impressive miniatures. I haven't been following Age of Sigmar lately and just coming back and I am really impressed with these minis. I just found out yesterday a new edition is coming out. Man I am missing a lot.
Back to reading in what I have missed.
There is no AoS 2nd Edition. GHB and similar books only work as expansions and minor reworks. We will know when GW relelases a whole new edition.
CMLR wrote: Just noticed: you can only pick one of each Allies box per order. This surely will help the them to not be sold out as quickly, but still, plenty of them will be gone quite soon.
And I don't have money for even one right now, and I bet the Warherds and Spiderfangs will be the first bundles to be sold out, fml.
I noticed that GW had a 1 box per order limit on their site too. Though not before I ordered up 2 Warherd boxes from a 3rd party site...
Well thats pretty awesome - I want all of those models Plus having resisted Stormcast fro the most part I donlt have the other stuff either - the Stormcast cavalry is awesome as are the birds - happy days.
She would also make a cool 40K Chaos Champion or even a Custodian - bit big for a Canoness I think.
I don't like the model, but I have a feeling it's the paint job. Give it a go with a Blanchian paint job and it'll likely look the part a lot more. It seems to me like a lot of the randomness you would have found in the Realms of Chaos books has made it into this model, but the cartoony paint job lets it down.
Plus, the inorganic CAD look that occasionally plagues GW models, but what can you do?
AegisGrimm wrote:I am so getting at least the Blackthorn as a single figure off Ebay. She will fit so well with my skirmish force of Stormcast who all have bare heads (carefully chosen from Space marines).
Don't pay eBay scalper prices. Everything else in this box is an existing kit, so we can safely assume Blackthorn and the snail rider will eventually be available on their own for a reasonable price (probably $30-$35 USD for Blackthorn, I'd bet $50 for the snail). If you can wait a few week (or more like 2-3 months), I would.
Mymearan wrote: Damn Blacktalon is fierce! Easily the best Stormcast model so far. And she's paired with the second best and third best models in the line... that's an amazing box.
Now let's hope they have the full sprues. Want my palladors with javelins!
It would be impossible not to since the weapons, mounts and riders are all distributed across the sprues.
AegisGrimm wrote:I am so getting at least the Blackthorn as a single figure off Ebay. She will fit so well with my skirmish force of Stormcast who all have bare heads (carefully chosen from Space marines).
Don't pay eBay scalper prices. Everything else in this box is an existing kit, so we can safely assume Blackthorn and the snail rider will eventually be available on their own for a reasonable price (probably $30-$35 USD for Blackthorn, I'd bet $50 for the snail). If you can wait a few week (or more like 2-3 months), I would.
It'll likely be cheaper on eBay than when GW release it separately.
Yeah. Scalpers are the ones that resell exclusive miniatures way way overpriced.
The guys that buy boxed sets like Burning of Prospero and then sell the content separated ask for cheaper prices even compared with third party sellers. (Custodes, Tartaros Terminators, MK III and IV marines ,etc...)
The price for the set will be £95.
It is about the same price as buying the Stormcast side individually. It is following the pattern of the 40k box sets. We eventually got the tyranid, spacewolf, blood Angel, and ork heroes seperately but we are still waiting on Eldrad and Artemis is only in the deathwatch start collecting set. I think some of those minis took well over a year to come out and none of them were cheap.
I expect the Stormcast hero to cost £18 or £20 and the slug to be around £30 when they come out so if you can get them on eBay for less than that, go for it.
Pariah-Miniatures wrote:I am not sure there is a word to accurately describe how bad that slug is, maybe terribad?
Not only does it look like it's from the 90s cartoon 'ahhh real monsters' but it's got weird design elements, like the anchor/ plow its pulling to 'slow' the slug down.
It's too whimsical and cirquedusoleil.
Nice PG grim dark universe they are setting up.
Only redeeming piece is the shell, which has a ton of garbage on it.
Vote with your wallets, don't buy crap
I'm not a fan either, but I don't like Nurgle stuff in general. Doesn't make it bad though, looks like a Nurgle thing with the "jolly grandfather" element actually represented .
Some people will like it and that is who GW needs to care about. Just like with the KO.
Kirasu wrote: Wow.. highly detailed model that is also absolutely terrible on design. Can't believe they'd make such a cartoony thing.
A lot of people disagree. Its very old school slaves to darkness style
Okay let me change my own opinion then! There are people that also bought mutilators.
You can change your opinion, but its just that, an opinion. I wouldnt say its a terrible design, just quite different from the usual, and if you dont like the aesthetic, so be it
That snail thing is adorable, I'm actually tempted to pick it up. Entirely not the terrifying plague monster it's meant to be, but I like it. It could well be the first AoS model I pay money for, via a bit seller on ebay mind you.
Kirasu wrote: Wow.. highly detailed model that is also absolutely terrible on design. Can't believe they'd make such a cartoony thing.
As demonstrated with Mortarion its the gakky studio Nurgle pastel paint scheme.
Can someone with greater skills than I photoshop it to a grimier colour tone and have the eyes without pupils so they're one solid colour. Both will go a long way to show there's a great mini under there.
I'm definitely in for the snail rider, and I hope he's a 40k character as well. I had wanted the mounted sigmarines as well, which is great! I only have one set of plague drones, so this is great to get more, and I can always use extra nurglings & plague bearers for various nurglification of vehicles & bases. I don't have the crossbow sigmarines, but with them I'm going to have quite the sigmarine army when I combine them with the stuff I got in the original AoS boxed set.
All in all, it works for me! Glad to see Papa Nurgle squishing his way into AoS more.
Tamereth wrote: That snail thing is adorable, I'm actually tempted to pick it up. Entirely not the terrifying plague monster it's meant to be, but I like it. It could well be the first AoS model I pay money for, via a bit seller on ebay mind you.
You wear your scorn and contempt like a badge of honor. Good for you.
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Pariah-Miniatures wrote: I am not sure there is a word to accurately describe how bad that slug is, maybe terribad?
Not only does it look like it's from the 90s cartoon 'ahhh real monsters' but it's got weird design elements, like the anchor/ plow its pulling to 'slow' the slug down.
It's too whimsical and cirquedusoleil.
Nice PG grim dark universe they are setting up.
Only redeeming piece is the shell, which has a ton of garbage on it.
It's essentially two start collecting sets mashed together, but the stormcast side looks way better than many of the sets that include stormcast since those are presumably full kits. Those stormcast that don't have special weapons that keep showing up in box sets are kind of annoying.
I do like the snail, but not sure on how they painted the eyes.
All gonna be in the description for me though. Given the sheer rotting horror of Nurgle, it's easy to forget he's a happy, jolly fellow - and stuff like Beasts of Nurgles are essentially his take on a playful puppy. All jumpy and slobbering, eager to share their gifts and get a fuss.
So if the background of the snail matches the slightly cartoonish look (which as others have pointed out, may well just be the paint job accentuating), much less of a problem. If it's meant to be some kind of rabid killer - different entirely.
I don't buy most GW stuff, but I will be buying this ^_^
Papa Nurgle embrace me!
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Chopxsticks wrote: It always fascinates me when people make posts like this. Do people really think posts like that influence peoples purchasing decisions?
Yes. It's part of many facets of NPD. Narcissists can't distinguish between their subjective opinion and objective fact - so when something comes at odds with their subjective worldview, it generates anger, confusion, and resentment.
I love this model so much. I think I may have to buy three of these slugs just to paint them up in different schemes. GW has really been outdoing themselves with how much character they are injecting into their newest models.
So I just got a look at the Freeguild preview, good news is that freeguild infantry is included in the new horde meta and the allegiance ability is appropriately strong to compensate for the restrictiveness of going just freeguild. It's a shame they only have one command trait though (the other five are apparently just there to have pretty words on the page, given how inferior they are).
NinthMusketeer wrote: So I just got a look at the Freeguild preview, good news is that freeguild infantry is included in the new horde meta and the allegiance ability is appropriately strong to compensate for the restrictiveness of going just freeguild. It's a shame they only have one command trait though (the other five are obviously just there to have pretty words on the page, given how inferior they are).
Eh, it depends, really. Depending on how triumphs work in the new GHB, I can see a point being made for that one trait too.
Roll a d3 at the start of the game to determine which you get one phase of: reroll hits for one unit, reroll wounds for one unit, or reroll saves for one unit.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Roll a d3 at the start of the game to determine which you get one phase of: reroll hits for one unit, reroll wounds for one unit, or reroll saves for one unit.
That's the old triumph table, though. They said they tweaked it.
Ah, I was unaware. Nothing on it will be nearly as strong as a free mystic shield on every unit within 6" of the general (including himself) every turn he's alive.
Freeguild abilities look great! I really want to add a big unit of Demigryphs to my army and that will hopefully get them to 1600pts (enough for allies).
The General’s Handbook 2017 is on shelves tomorrow, and however you play Warhammer Age of Sigmar, there’s something new for you. To coincide with this game changing new book, we’re releasing loads of new updates to help with your games. The first of these is a set of FAQs designed to clarify your games; the second is a series of updated Warscrolls and matched play points values for your Forge World models, and the third, refreshed Compendium Warscrolls for a range of classic models from a variety of factions.
The release of the new General’s Handbook was a great time for us to take a look at the game and address a few common questions. These FAQs have been written based on feedback given by you, the community, as well as from observations from Warhammer Age of Sigmar Tournaments, and should help make your games run more smoothly than ever.
My group is not at all happy with this, there's already talks of us ignoring GH2017, these other changes people are okay with but still feels like it's just piling on nerfs.
Is there anywhere to see faction by faction break down's on balancing? I want to know the balancing changes to Khradron Overlords and Beastclaw Raiders.
Wayniac wrote: My group is not at all happy with this, there's already talks of us ignoring GH2017, these other changes people are okay with but still feels like it's just piling on nerfs.
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Gamgee wrote: Is there anywhere to see faction by faction break down's on balancing? I want to know the balancing changes to Khradron Overlords and Beastclaw Raiders.
There's no where that compiles all the changes for you as the FAQ are hot off the press and the GHB2017 not out till tomorrow. The headline changes are Thunderers can only have 1 of each special weapon and Khemists don't stack, for BCR it's that Stonehorns no longer half damage from the total but the characteristic itself. This means 10x damage 1 attacks now does 10 wounds rather than 5. As for points changes, the GHB2017 has a red star against every profile which changed.
Gamgee wrote: Is there anywhere to see faction by faction break down's on balancing? I want to know the balancing changes to Khradron Overlords and Beastclaw Raiders.
There's no where that compiles all the changes for you as the FAQ are hot off the press and the GHB2017 not out till tomorrow. The headline changes are Thunderers can only have 1 of each special weapon and Khemists don't stack, for BCR it's that Stonehorns no longer half damage from the total but the characteristic itself. This means 10x damage 1 attacks now does 10 wounds rather than 5. As for points changes, the GHB2017 has a red star against every profile which changed.
Love the new FAQ, restored a lot of the faith I lost when I saw the new points. Khemist nerf was totally needed, its actually worth 100 now instead of 140. Of course that's true for thunderers as well :( I'm even happy with the damage nerfs on the skyrigger guns, they always felt too strong before.
I'm okay with the way they did it. I feel like while they took away the ability for you to stack a specific weapon...the interplay between the different specials now makes for a more interesting and varied setup.
I really kind of hope that when we get the AdMech stuff for 40k, we have a similar interplay.
Kanluwen wrote: I'm going to be honest regarding the Thunderers.
I'm okay with the way they did it. I feel like while they took away the ability for you to stack a specific weapon...the interplay between the different specials now makes for a more interesting and varied setup.
I really kind of hope that when we get the AdMech stuff for 40k, we have a similar interplay.
The warscroll change I am very happy with, but they also bumped them up from 100 to 140 points. The latter is the problem since they were only worth that much as a 5-mortar build with the previous warscroll.
It's the trifecta that killed them for me. Solo weapons per 5, point bump, and no khemist stacking. And combination of 2 would have been fine. It was all three that broke the back.
Kind of mad that I can't use my knights in my empire army unless I waste ally points. 280 points for 10, so that only leaves 120 ally points left in a goddam list?
And empire cannon? Yea might as well just use the far superior ironweld arsenel cannon now. But thats more ally points you have to waste.
So either I dont play around 400 points of my own models, retiring them for the most part. Or only play them in narrative games, or house rule.
Yea I can kinda see how people would be mad about this. Horticrux looks fun though at least.
Well that is going to shake things up. Though worried it is still typical GW on some items. Increase cost and nerf at the same time. Will be picking up my copy tomorrow.
Though one note, where the F is Tamurkhan? His profile is not in the pdf compendium.
Sad that my beastmen lost some synergy with the old units and worst, lost all their named characters. They didn't even create generic versions for them :(
Don Savik wrote: Kind of mad that I can't use my knights in my empire army unless I waste ally points. 280 points for 10, so that only leaves 120 ally points left in a goddam list?
And empire cannon? Yea might as well just use the far superior ironweld arsenel cannon now. But thats more ally points you have to waste.
So either I dont play around 400 points of my own models, retiring them for the most part. Or only play them in narrative games, or house rule.
Yea I can kinda see how people would be mad about this. Horticrux looks fun though at least.
The Greatcannon has superior range to the Cannon meaning you still might want to choose it. Knights haven't changed in points and if you take a mixed order list you don't have to worry about ally points. The only change is you now have the option to get special allegiance abilities if you take a Freeguild only army.
It seems to me you can't ally in any compendium though because they all lack faction keywords. So they can only be part of a grand alliance list.
I actually expect a new pair of Freeguild Knights box sets (foot and mounted) and warscrolls to be published soonish. The knights are among the weakest models (as in the sculpts are primitive compared to current methods) left in the old Empire range and are long due an overhaul.
winterdyne wrote: I actually expect a new pair of Freeguild Knights box sets (foot and mounted) and warscrolls to be published soonish. The knights are among the weakest models (as in the sculpts are primitive compared to current methods) left in the old Empire range and are long due an overhaul.
I wouldn't say soonish but I certainly can see it happen when the Freeguild get focused on. (My bet is a release for a successful Lantic Empire on their oh...18th try at rebuilding?)
winterdyne wrote: I actually expect a new pair of Freeguild Knights box sets (foot and mounted) and warscrolls to be published soonish. The knights are among the weakest models (as in the sculpts are primitive compared to current methods) left in the old Empire range and are long due an overhaul.
We're talking about the Empire Knights riding horses, right?
Those haven't been available since Age of Sigmar launched, at least here in the US.
MattW wrote: That new box seems pretty outrageously expensive.
A little cheaper than 2 start collecting boxes which is pretty much what this set contains.
Compared to the other AoS starters, it's far more expensive. Still a good deal, maybe, but seems inconsistent with the value they've recently included in starter sets.
It's the same price as the heresy boxes with around a third fewer minis.
It's all the full multipart kits barring he two characters, the other AoS starter box was monopose models missing out many of their latter weapon options so the price difference is understandable
Melcavuk wrote: It's all the full multipart kits barring he two characters, the other AoS starter box was monopose models missing out many of their latter weapon options so the price difference is understandable
The Hunters are half of the content from the boxed set.
The full box is 10 for $60, this is 5.
That's the only thing that I can't put a price tag to beyond the characters.
MattW wrote: That new box seems pretty outrageously expensive.
A little cheaper than 2 start collecting boxes which is pretty much what this set contains.
Compared to the other AoS starters, it's far more expensive. Still a good deal, maybe, but seems inconsistent with the value they've recently included in starter sets.
It's the same price as the heresy boxes with around a third fewer minis.
It's not a starter. It is a campaign box like death masque which was also £95 for a similar number of minis. There have been several 40k campaign boxes. This is the first for AOS.
I think the box is interesting but even as a Nurgle and Stormcast collector not super eager to pull the trigger. You've got to want all the models there for it to be worth it. I'm a bit iffy on some of the Vanguard stuff and the snail guy is cool but doesn't get me going.
So, after reading this in the preview for the white dwarf of september... Can we agree if GW is evil and against every mix of their kits, and conversions? Ir that just internet exageration?
Galas wrote: So, after reading this in the preview for the white dwarf of september... Can we agree if GW is evil and against every mix of their kits, and conversions? Ir that just internet exageration?
The Fenrisian Wolf kit was actually a "go-to" for awhile when I was running Orion and his Hunting Hounds early in Age of Sigmar. Had enough to run a summon heavy list of the blighters.
Baron Klatz wrote: Haha, what was your fluff explanation? They're green and they hunt well so are a-okay with Orion or he was too caught up in the wildhunt to notice?
Awesome kit-bashes, though. Always should be encouraged.
Oh no, I meant just the Fenrisian Wolves.
The only way to buy Orion's Hunting Hounds was to buy Orion. So I got something like 3-4 boxes of Fenrisian Wolves and just painted them to look a ghostly grey.
The kitbashes are really nice, I especially like the stormcast one which is a surprise as I'm not especially fond of the overall aesthetic style of the army.
I still yearn for a new goblin wolf riding kit though, I've seen many over the years that use the fenrisian wolves to great effect but I'm still curious to see a modern take on them, with today's tech and strides into the AoS I'm sure GW would make some fantastic models.
A steppe nomad goblin cavalry army... I believe there was an army that featured in White Dwarf along this theme and featured a chequered black and white livery, it really inspired me as a kid!
... might have tempted myself into a new army, argh!
Scrub wrote: The kitbashes are really nice, I especially like the stormcast one which is a surprise as I'm not especially fond of the overall aesthetic style of the army.
I still yearn for a new goblin wolf riding kit though, I've seen many over the years that use the fenrisian wolves to great effect but I'm still curious to see a modern take on them, with today's tech and strides into the AoS I'm sure GW would make some fantastic models.
A steppe nomad goblin cavalry army... I believe there was an army that featured in White Dwarf along this theme and featured a chequered black and white livery, it really inspired me as a kid!
... might have tempted myself into a new army, argh!
The Stormcast is from Duncan's skirmish warband. Really tempted to copy his use of the acolytes.
Chikout wrote: The Stormcast is from Duncan's skirmish warband. Really tempted to copy his use of the acolytes.
The Acolyte kit really is amazing, works so well as a base. I did the same after seeing Duncan's initial twitter pics. I mixed Bloodreaver heads and the Vanguard weapons to get that greek warrior look. IMO it's what a lot of the regular humans should look like, just seems to work so well with Stormcast and their aesthetic.
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Urghh forgot this is the first WD I will not be getting early, not renewing my sub until we've moved house.
Weird this hasn't yet been posted yet, since the other forums had their fill from Nova Open.
That’s right – the Orruks are coming to the cursed City of Mirrors. The latest warband announced for Warhammer Underworlds: Shadespire, Ironskull’s Boyz, are here to conquer with brute force and a little Orruk kunnin’. These greenskins will be representing the forces of Destruction in the first wave of Shadespire warbands, released soon after the game itself – which will be supported by its own dedicated website – later this year.
Also confirmed at NOVA was that all of these new Shadespire warbands, Orruks included, will eventually get full Warhammer Age of Sigmar Warscrolls (once they escape from the City of Mirrors, of course).
But that’s not all on the way from the Mortal Realms….
Dark powers stir in the Mortal Realms. Malign Portents is a major event for Warhammer Age of Sigmar players, and it’s on the way in 2018. There will be big things coming both for the narrative of the setting and for matched play gamers.
There will be new models on the way for this release too, the first of which we can show you today. Introducing – the Knight of Shrouds:It’s been a little while since we’ve seen a new Death model for Warhammer Age of Sigmar. Patience is rewarded though – we hadn’t forgotten about you. Alongside this Herald of Nagash, each of the other three Grand Alliances will also be getting a powerful new hero.
Those Ironjawz! OH MAN! Shadespire sculpts are so damn brutal and great looking! I already had my eyes on the skeletons for D&D, but these "alternate" brutes, MMMHHH MHHHH!! Pre-order for sure
And that Knight, half spirit, half corporeal, full awesome! That helmet
Warhammer Community has been mostly broken for me all morning. Maybe they have technical issues or are getting bombarded with people wanting a look at the new releases?
Geifer wrote: Warhammer Community has been mostly broken for me all morning. Maybe they have technical issues or are getting bombarded with people wanting a look at the new releases?
Worked fine for me the entire day so I don't know.
Well looks like Pestigors are confirmed at least. Atia posted a small bit of fluff from Blightwar showcasing the different forces that fight for Nurgle. Raise the hype!!!
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Lets hope we don't have to wait too long for the full Nurgle release.
So Nurgle Daemons, Rotbringers, Slaves to Darkness and Clan Pestilence so far? Maybe Pestigors will be part of Brayherd?
unmercifulconker wrote: Well looks like Pestigors are confirmed at least. Atia posted a small bit of fluff from Blightwar showcasing the different forces that fight for Nurgle. Raise the hype!!!
Spoiler:
Lets hope we don't have to wait too long for the full Nurgle release.
So Nurgle Daemons, Rotbringers, Slaves to Darkness and Clan Pestilence so far? Maybe Pestigors will be part of Brayherd?
I would expect Pestigors to be part of the Rotbringers book, same with Pestilens and Nurgle Daemons.
Tzaangors aren't brayherd, but we'll see. I would really like GW to give beastmen their marks back. Cooler still would be if not all units got all marks; minotaurs can only take mark of khorne or slaanesh, for instance.
Tzeentch Minotaurs with bird heads, that could be really cool. Tzeentaurs. (And with that name people will expect a horsemen hibrid, but no! The Lord of Change strikes again!)
Hmm, if we get Nurgle Beastmen this year I wonder if next year will see Slaanesh beastmen and Khorne Beastmen show up for the big Summer War?
They're enemies like Nurgle and Tzeentch are to eachother so it'd fit and would be a interesting event to see what Khorne does if the summer war is a "free Slaanesh" event.
(Also, the eight lamentations novels might point to Khorne activity as well since it's about collecting his artifacts)
...I'm still waiting to see a legit Khorgorath kit released! We haven't seen one since the original monopose one in the starter, which is odd considering how often they appear in the literature!
highlord tamburlaine wrote: ...I'm still waiting to see a legit Khorgorath kit released! We haven't seen one since the original monopose one in the starter, which is odd considering how often they appear in the literature!
Not just the Khorgorath, the Bloodstoker and Lord Relictor are still exclusive to the starter sets as well How long was it between the release of the Dark vengeance box for 40k and the release of the stand alone Hellbrute kit?
It gives them alot of flavor and fluffy nuance, IMO.
Its nice to see the implication of enough vukture and society to have seperate cults of the gods with competing interests.
Its also a great excuse for interesting models. I loze tzaangors waaaaaaaaay more than the standard beastman and Im super curious as to what a slanngor would look like...
If there was a more heresy-filled sentence of damning curiosity I'd like to see it..
Edit: agreed though on flavorful separations being best. Really AoS lends itself to that happening with every race and the amazing possibilities for models.
The Beast Wars saw the rise and fall of many monstrous creatures, from entities wise and noble despite their terrifying appearance, to fell behemoths of base intelligence that revelled in the wanton destruction left in their wake.
THE BEAST WARS If you decide a battle is taking place in Ghur, the Realm of Beasts, then you can specify it is occurring during the Beast Wars. If you do, the following rules apply. These rules can be used instead of, or in addition to, the rules for fighting in the Realm of Beasts that can be found in the General’s Handbook 2017.
BEAST OF LEGEND If your army includes any Monsters, you can pick one to represent a legendary creature that rose to prominence during the Beast Wars. Declare which Monster is a Beast of Legend, and pick a trait that best matches its backstory from the table below. Alternatively, you can roll a dice to randomly determine which trait from the table your Beast of Legend has.
We’ve included all of this, as well as the Kill the Beast Battleplan in a handy download for you to try out!
I hope there will be something for "new" highborn/high elves in the near future. It still looks like a decent project to work out the current mess, unless there's something true on a remark that GW will eventually retire old armies. I hope it does not come to that.
Hard to imagine them being retired when they have two gods of light (I believe Teclis is technically one?) and they're as integrated in the lore as the dark elves are.
I don't put much stock in those remarks. "Legacy" armies are constantly popping up in lore. They may not receive many/any new releases, but I think many will receive the Sylvaneth treatment and get a few new models to mix in with the older stuff.
Indeed, I mean if Savage orcs(who were mediocre in popularity, constantly overshadowed by everything else and a standard in generic fantasies) of all things get a nice battletome and lore focus then how can that really still be a threat at all?
The current ranges are fine. GW's just pacing out the releases.
Stormcast statue, also is that a dryad just walking around too? This is why I love each realm (planet) being so different, you end up with cool themed collaborations of the different citizens in each realm.
They're super survivable and hit so very hard.
. The Nurgle side looks like a 
