Yeah get well, and when you get back on track, get some masks so the plastic dust from filing doesn't get ya!

good tip! somewhere this infection must have come to you...

Thanks Vik, I've been lying on the couch watching American Restorations (a show about this guy's business out in California where he takes old machinery and restores it to its original condition, Coke machines, wagons, gas pumps, any old piece of Americana) and dozing in and out. I'm not about to wield an x-acto anytime soon

that sounds nasty... get your keeper to nurse you back to health!^^ and try to sleep for real... dozing for some minutes wont do you any good...but i understand why someone wouldn´t want to sleep for real ^^

I slept about 12 solid hours, feeling better, will save the perscription narcotics for later in the day I have safely cut some stuff this morning.



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No it's harvest time, I always get a nasty cold when the weather changes and especially when they harvest soybeans, the dust is everywhere in the air. I promise that this has nothing to do with the hobby.

Looks promising, loving the gangers as well!

Thanks Farty!



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and a shot of the set thus far...

Dude, reallly coming together man! You are whiz with this stuff!!

Very cool. You've definitely given me a new standard to aim for with my Naval Depot project.

Glad to hear you're feeling better.

Thanks Bebop and thanks Green! I am very honored!

the varitey in walkways looks great, also did you post any pics of your gang on dakka yet? Because id love to see them

lol, I don't have a complete gang painted atm, but have several unpainted gangs. And btw, I am making this up as I go for the most part.



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I am currently playing with some arched bulkhead-type supports for a supported walkway. Using the sandwich technique from the substation platform.

Can you give us a tutorial on how to cut that accurately and cleanly; I need to know because I'm making a spacehulk, style board! It's looking amazing so far,

Drawing the arch is the hardest part. I just (sorta) read this
http://www.stonecarvingcourses.com/the-geometry-of-gothic-architectureminus the math, and built 1/2 the arch as a template.

Then used the template to trace it onto the plasticard (flipping it over for the other half 3" high and 1 1/2" wide for a full arch. As for cutting, just gently follow the line with your exacto...NEVER try cutting through the plasticard, just gently score 2-4 times then snap the styrene, any rough edges can be cleaned up with the knife or sandpaper.



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hmm im interested to see this under the thicker newer bridge but i dont know about the first one

Your walkways are amazing. I Am going to have to -steal- try that idea before long. Inspiring stuff you have here, believe me. DIRECTLY inspiring.

Also glad to hear you are on the mend.

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I may add some cover or spikes, I haven't decided yet. But it is a third walkway anyways.

those hexagon rivets/bolts look so sweet! this is a look i can reproduce with my holepunch....now i am pouting^^

that archway looks, well this gets anoying... i am following so many cool threads atm that i tend to overuse so many adjectives but your stuff is rock and metal! i wonder what happens in your brain to let you create such frikking mad awsomenesses on a dayly basis...*shakes head*

oh and by my in-laws there once i witnessed a harvest in full swing... corn then... and boy did it get dusty... we literally took heel and run for cover inside the house and bolted all doors and windows....but i thnk we didn´t go it airtight then....so i can relate to that being a cause for your infection.... so much dust...no wonder....and well i am glad that you felt good enough to start working...means your either truly back on the way to health restoration or you are just insane and lucky^^


cheers, vik

Thanks a lot Vik! I really appreciate it bro!
Well, remember I'm constantly working with this in front of me.

to be honest with you... that would disturb me and make me feel rather belittled.... like when you had to clean up your room when you were only some lil toddler and didn´t knew zip how to begin with the room cleaning... that is so crowded...

but i see too how this can be motivating!


and i see now why you had to cut away on the suports... are the templates of yours cut the right way? the ones on the pic here look slihtly more inward ...er...more like not "L" shaped but like an italic "L"...if you get my meaning...

Where'd you get those AWESOME brass clamps?

oh yes the variety in walkways looks fantastic this newest one looks great as well

Ya Vik, my supports didnt come out that way, I copied the original card templates. meh live and learn.

@Tek I got them from Micro Mark http://www.micromark.com/SearchResult.aspx?deptIdFilter=0&searchPhrase=brass+bar+clamps during one of their buy one set of 2 get one set of 2 free sales.
@Rogue Thanks man!

didn´t say yours doesn´t look good... was jsut pointing out a maybe reason why yours looked akward at first... but now yours look very good, so no loss there but only gain^^

well i am lost now for bedtime^^ cheers and til next updates^^


vik

The new walk way is great.

Thanks Vik! Sleep well, for tomorrow you will take tak pictures and show them to me.

Thank again Green! If you have any ideas or suggestions or dislikes feel free to comment.

More great stuff there! It did seem that the one station was lifting that arched walkway a bit off the table though, maybe add some sort of "foot" on the bottom of the stanchions?

Glad you feel better after that 12hr snooze, that was you immune system hijacking all power from other functions so as to kick the invaders out.

THanks Shas, ya it will get a 1/16" hardboard base when I get the saw out and get around to cutting wood. The Rivet Tower needs a base cut too.

Aha, that was what was different, the bases. I keep thinking one for each "foot" of that bridge?

I would, and will comment and suggest ideas as the come, but frankly, you are using the same pics for inspiration that got me into the hobby. So really just keep going. I might have more to say as the smaller details come to light.

Maybe work up some utility station next, as you have a few buildings now.

Cheers for the tutorial and the walkway and arches are looking amazing!

Thanks Farty!

currently in full swing to uplaod a shipload of daylight pics^^

Awesome pics Vik!

This morning, I am playing with an idea to use 4 coffee can lids for the floors of another tower.

Wow, great progress, and so fast. It will be treat to see whole table full of terrain built by you.

lol, Thanks Northern, all I did this morning is sit on my hide and cut circles.

haha probibly not the funniest thing youve done on this project so far

I got new cutting mat with angles! and some 6" granny grating circles!

this granny grating really grows on me...so versatile...

the idea to use coffe (or for that matter babymilk powder) cans for terrain making i have had for quite some time... the wide circumference has lots of potential...also when you use the lids they have already a nice testure to the sides!!! a very good bonus!

oh and thanks mate for the compliments^^

Anytime Vik. Here's the idea..suggestions?

somehow this reminds me of old film cans...^^

i would at least add one destroyed or rather fallen in lid/level...as i think this could look quite sweet with some steel rods hanging out bent and spent^^

the idea of the eight parter is wonderful... and again shows your ideas and how you can plan them out in layers... i think that is a good skill of yours to think that way!

the big quietion is how to creathe the levels... there must be a means of support.... will you make round walls on one side /half of the tower...thus leaving the other half open? or will you make something similar like the hexagon and quadro tower? like smaller supports for a general open look? there could be steel doorways...with open or even bent doors...the size of these lids give plenty of potential...as it has much room...

o wow that looks sweet

Thanks for the heads up re the clamps.

Your terrain is inspirational. Granny grating rocks man!

Thanks everyone, here the top isnt glued on yet.

For the sake of movingthem about, maybe add an inch to that height, but that is looking like another mega-cool tower for the minsi to fight about!

i like the column look already... how about adding something like that:



or



and then cover the t-tube with some rivets...

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It needs another floor doesn't it?

Yeah! Go big or go home...

It looks great though, some crazy pipe latticing, like the Windows Pipes screensaver would be epic.

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Nice looking with the granny stuff as lattice work decking.

Your collection is looking sick! That last piece is stunning, but a concern- have you used granny grating before? In my experience it is a poor quality plastic for modeling, doesn't hold paint very well, and doesn't stay glued well. I'll be interested in seeing what your results are.

Is that just clothes pegs you are using to hold things together?

Thanks Shas!

@Skalk- Yep, I've used it before, it's the same soft plastic that they use for 1/72 scale figures, good CA is needed to really hold it together. The same applies to the soft plastic used for the coffee lids.

@Fifty- no these are cheap spring clamps from Menards

wsome tower! the middlesection could be modeled to hold stairways... accessable through doorways...the diameter would suffice to make spiral stairs...

the cooling thingy you put on top in two versions looks interresting but the holes are defiatly the wrong size to me... also i would then use multiple stacks/rods for this task...

at vitruvian:

Yeah! Go big or go home...

lol... but that is such a manly quote^^... and i second your statement... at least a third floor!!!

Thanks Vik. I have already contemplated a spiral staircase, I even figured out how to do it (involves cutting another assload of identical parts) but decided just to go for an open floorplan. I figured whatever machinery that this tower used to offer maintenance access to has long been scrapped and sold. See, you can always make up fluff to justify laziness
Oh and what you see on the cutting mat there is all the styrene tube I have left (not even enough to make the third floor supports identical to the second 2 inches short!) oh well, this is all an excersize in using up what styrene I have left before ordering/getting more.

argh... the worst thing a creative mind can have him happen is to have a shortage of material...

i was thinking rather that the middle column IS the staircase...just add doors there and you are fluffy set^^

of course such a junktower would be all but functional^^ so making it look like scrap metal holding together for the love of not falling to pieces is all right^^

Yep, that is what I was going to do, use a central post and have the spiral stairs attached to that, but I'll save that idea for another project. It would take up too much room in this 6" tower. Using ladders in Necromunda is just as easy.

edit: oh I see what you mean, attach doors to the big pipe. Hmmm maybe I'll use that idea when I get to the Outlanders lift building.


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However, each stair would have to be separated by enough vertical space to fit the thickness of a 25mm base (with basing) on each step. Maybe some other time, I dunno.


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At elevation, it would look something like this.

Simply put, WOW. Your terrain is fantastic and very inspiring. Definitely going to sub to this one. Keep it up, and hopefully when I can afford all the junk I need, you will have inspired me enough to put as much effort into building terrain as you have

Thanks KingCraker Much appreciated! I just hope my blog shows anyone reading that as complex as it all may look once you break it down into it's simplest steps. it's really just a collection of basic modeling techniques. And repetiveness.

dude, you gotta paint one of the pipes bright green and just have it pointing upwards a few inches tall. (represents the tunnels thing where you can deploy handily)!

Oh yeah! Tunnels and Vents! I forgot about those, thanks for reminding me. Maybe I should build up seperate terrain peices to represent tunnels and vents so you can move them around? I'll have to build a Mario warp zone pipe just for you!

@ The mario tube: (in italian accent) Yippee, Mama Mia!

Lovely work sir! There are some truly inventive uses of materials that I will be using as reference for my forthcoming Orks.

Spiral staircase terrain! Now that is a nice, (and likely crazy making) bit to work on. Especially the hand railing! (also so steam-punk Vik will have the joygasm!

I saw this type of spiral staricase http://uniquebriquetechniques.blogspot.com/2007/08/spiral-staircase-by-nathan-proudlove.html done in LEGO, and wondered how the idea could be put to terrain.

Pipes and vents were next on my list after I finished my current platform! All the cool kids are going call me a copycat if this keep up.

The softer plastics really frustrate me. I've tried to use them in the past (old toys like G.I. Joe stuff, granny grates, other craft store stuff) and in every case I have had a significant failure at some point. I have no patience for it anymore. I'm glad someone has figured out how to make it work.

If all else fails, try 3-in-1 advanced craft glue. It is basically hot glue that is liquid in the bottle (no heat required). As for painting soft plastic, if the part flexes, it'll snap the paint right off with regular paint, so you need to use Krylon spray primer specifically for plastics (it says for plastics on the can), it has an etching effect that really bonds it to the plastic. When cured, the paint coat is actually somewhat flexible. So no more flaked off paint.

god that is so sweet...i get some jeebies all right from that.... how to make that for my own needs is the question tho...arghh... that image is now forever in my mind...pestering me till i have built it^^

and to make a fully ingame funtioning staircase spiral looking.... holy bandsaw batman... this will take some eternity and a half...but once you have done that....everyone would envy you...

that Krylon spray primer specifically for plastics sounds like a must have.... could be a life saver for numerous things...hmmm^^


and dstein... since i wourk with cardboard i always try to make it look the part but that it doesn´t have to be able to act the part^^ so only doors and the soft hint to be stairs behind the door^^ works for me^^

Have you thought about putting the spiral stairs on an exterior pipe? So that the stairs start and end on the outer edge of the platform and make a sort of hump on the tower from a birds eye view.

Also, I would say, build a vent shaft into at least one tower, as well as separate, movable pieces.

Oh I don't think I'm gonna use the idea on this project, something later on down the road. I want to see Vik's Viktorian Spiral Staircase first!

lol...i think i would go insane by this.,..but i think this is inevitable in the long run for me^^

Yes Vik!..Listen to the whisper of Tzeentch's steampunky rivetiness in your ear!

I can't help but look at this (yes top is too tall..will fix ...not glued yet) and think it looks like an electronic drumhead pad.
So I cristen thee...Beebop Drums Tower!



Not as much honor as a Gunny Harker Golden Demon-quality painted and given your name, but my way of showing appreciation for such a gesture nonetheless.

even if bebop would never be played on elctro instruments... but i think a very fiiting name and a nice gesture nevertheless...and i think it definatly needs that middle column...looks otherwise a tad too fragile to me...

and hah! do i see even a fourth level in the making?^^

Well an acoustic drum would look stupid in an underhive. Once painted it would be an expensive toilet paper tube
neener neener

omg^^ lol... after necromunda it is the diarrhea wars...and shortage of amo means you can swipe you own bum anymore...what a way to go...

dsteingass wrote:I can't help but look at this (yes top is too tall..will fix ...not glued yet) and think it looks like an electronic drumhead pad.
So I cristen thee...Beebop Drums Tower!



Not as much honor as a Gunny Harker Golden Demon-quality painted and given your name, but my way of showing appreciation for such a gesture nonetheless.

i am phenomenally flattered! All of this work on this thread is GD quality, and could easily be seen in the pages of WD. You sir are a true talent, and thanks for the gesture and for, from the beginning, being an active and enthusiastic follower on my blog I am truely honored!

Aww Shucks...
...and now for something completely different.

Don't Be A Fool!!


like me. On the left is a cheap steel Taiwan built pipe cutter $4. On the right is a "hobby grade" pipe cutter $16.

The cheap one cuts better and cuts bigger diameter pipes. Look around before buying some so-called "hobby grade" stuff. I nsome cases.

I disagree with my own theory when talking about clippers though. Xuron clippers are hands-down the best-made clippers on the planet. They are the ones sold by Gale Force 9 http://www.thewarstore.com/product5184.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> http://www.thewarstore.com/product5184.htmlgames and also marketed to model railroaders.

FYI: I always preferrred the black granny grate as all granny grate tends to flex/chip easily, and the black shows wear/chips less.

thats a nice looking tower what do you plan on using it as? industrial ,hellipad?

@ Rogue That is the mystery of the Underhive, you can only imagine what the structures were originally used as, they are ancient and forgotten. Like the technology they were used for.

@Vik Lol ..yer a nut

@CT I saw the different colored stuff, never thought of that. The plastic spray works though, I've used it.

@Bebop -Fughetaboutit

@Vik Lol ..yer a nut

I think I've worked out the support struts better now. Look better?



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Ere it is..sans the riveting on the top. You guys think it needs the big pipe in the middle?

to be honest i like it better without the middle braces as it reminds me of those magnetix stick things

Ya, well it's glued now. It is as it is, but I might agree with you Rogue. Meh live and learn.

Yeah, definitely pipe in the middle, would help blocking los too. I like the sectioned piping.

Type 1:

OR?
Type 2:

Looks good. I'm glad to see some Necro-love.

Second pipe allows for Vik's suggested doors

A dig through Ye Olde Bitz Boxe of Plentey produced these:

They are .22 calibre shell casings from a nail gun used to put nails into concrete and such.
Thoughts?

adding all those little bits and peices really makes it look nice i think one thing that might help is maybie have some wire coming from the celling on one of those platforms running along the line of the pipes

The second type provides a little cover, and I think makes it look a little more solid as well.

Love the shell casing as well.

dsteingass wrote:lol, Thanks Northern, all I did this morning is sit on my hide and cut circles.

And what beautiful circles they are

The tower is looking great. I think some sort of railing would be nice, but it would make the model placement a bit difficult, hmmm.. at least the top floor?

The metal venting thing looks cool, adds nice amount of detail and provides cover for models a bit.

i totally want to see the middlesection seen done in shells...over and over agin!! this would be truly epic man... and then all those fancy authors of them dictionaries have a new job to get rid of me mug in the books and put your face in there...!!!!

but if you don´t have the amount of this ...smallish calculation you`d need at least about 120 shells...quite a big amount...

if this fails i would stick to the PVC pipe and add lots of rivets... also i like the idea of hanging cables from the individual ceilings....would like the carbonation chamber in empire strikes back...bespin cloud station...!!!

Dstein, every time I come back to this thread youve filled out at least two pages more awesomeness. I absolutely love the new buildings, and your varying walkway designs - you've completely kept the spirit of the originals but made them your own. Ive got a bunch of the original cardboard necro terrain myself - always thought the main problems with it were it's flimsiness and the fact that theres not enough of it. You're fixing both problems!
You've also inspired me to use some of the plasticard Ive got to make my own templates, so thank you

The shell casings look great, very industrial pipe work. Have you considered extending them up from the top of the building and having them seperate out and head in different directions? A little ambitious perhaps, but would be amazing to have a couple of smaller sattelite buildings connected by a labyrinth of exploitable pipework? The small island buildings would need great cover and vantage points to make running on the exposed pipes worth the risk though

Keep up the incredible progress - it really is hugely inspiring

Thanks Scarper, ver much appreciated. Unfortunately I only have six of the shell casing things, so I won't be able to go too crazy, but it is a good idea. I have been thinking about pipework walkways, but Armorcast already makes such great ones, it may be cheaper to buy theirs. I don't know.

Great stuff here, Your rate of progress is astounding and more than a bit humbling!

Thanks Depraved! I am almost outpacing myself. Need to get some paint on before I lose steam.

I have the greatest Girl! My birthday is thursday, and what came for me today?
1962 VW Camper Bus!


It was just released a couple of weeks ago, is that cool or what?

It needs a dozer blade and a mounted Heavy Bolter.

I'll see what I can do Skalk! lol

at least a flamer... a good heartwarming campfire is such a nice thing to have... all that noisy fellow campers will see their errors for being either so long awake or to be so early in bed^^^serves them right to have their tents aflame!!!

and boy who makes a kit for an old legend like that??? hippies invaded lego or what? well your better half, how did she know that would please you?

Wow, legos are as crazy as ever! That's pretty neat. I like how the grey pipe looks in there (cause it is already covered with detail ) but it needs more pipes. I think the second pipe affords more creative and playable opportunities. Those nail gun cartridges look great on top. Wow, what a cool bitz box you must have!

As for the white pipe and doors. That would solve getting onto the tower, but think about just adding maintenance hatches and engineer panels... as well as some vents. The tower could be an air filtration system.

@Vik LOL you're a looney! That is a classic car! Who wouldn't want it in Lego? We have a 1986 Jeep CJ-7 with a Chevy Big-Block V-8 as a second car and toy! Blubblubblubblub
@Green That bitz box is full of crap since I first started building terrain, those nail gun cartridges are probably 10 years old. hmmm...hatches and vents and rivets......hmmm.

I have some CPU fans around here somewhere, but I can't find which bitz box I stuffed them into. grrr

i recently got rid of a lot of packaging stuff i collected over the last two years... it was big enough to fill a whole garbage can^^ i figured since i mostly work now with cardboard it was not needed anymore...

Blubblubblubblub

is that you making a silly gesture to me? well...be seated man.... have you competed your days work worth in terrain yet.... if not then get on working or ye will feel that flat of my sword!!! be warned!

gosh i nearly lost my temper here....mwahahahahaha

the fans souds like a cool idea...by the way i am a fan of lots of stuff too^^

Blubblubblub is the awesome, barbarian sound it makes while at a stop sign idling, ready to lunge...muhahaha

lunge is ready... eat your babarric victims while they are still virgins^^

More of the same on the hatches, but I've got no problem milking the technique.



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The secret to my hatches are these little plasticard blanks that come in the SIM card slot of new Lenovo Laptops. I get them free and they are all perfectly identical.

each hatch is just one pice of card from that SIM stuff and then two small pieces of tubing.... a very effective and simple looking version....i have to switch on my next tank to that hatch version...and because it as to be uttered....rivets

Rivets will come Vik, I promise.

Take a little steel floral wire, end it around the pliers, drill some holes and glue them on.

happy birthday! liking what your doing on this middle peice so far

Thanks Rogue!

..Added Vik's Rivets and am building the other hatches.

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Well, whatcha think?

defenently looking nice there although i would probibly add some wires here and there to break up the solid structure

..And this is how it looks with the set.

Beautiful. The center pillar really anchored that piece.

Very cool!

Rivets! Rivets! RRaaagghhhh!!!

The Beebop Drums Tower looks a lot better than I expected it would. I wasn't sold on the idea at all. I believe it is going to be a major piece in your set once it is finished.

I need rivets.

hmm now that i see them together im liking the building as is, although the left building could use some equipment on the roof of some sort to break line of sight, and more importantly it would look good

The left building is flat so that separate pieces of terrain can be placed on top. And it's wooden, and it's removable.

dsteingass wrote:The left building is flat so that separate pieces of terrain can be placed on top.

That's a good point to make. Wondering if you could stage an "action shot" with crates and barrels and whatnot?

Nice work on the rotunda matey, look forward to seeing what you do with the ammo shells.

Yes i can! I'm just waiting for the "community" here to tell me it looks perfect and that I can be done with it

An "action shot" will likely do that. Also, try posting it as "done"... like "ok, here it is in it's 100% finished 'I'm not doing any more work on it' glory!" kind of post.

Trust me, it works.

Is this action-ey?

Everyone's favorite old-school Armorcast crates.

Yes, that is perfect, and you just gave me such an awesome idea for my current tower!!! I'm going to cut another hated dreaded platform for it, and the center is going to be an elevator that is almost to the top w/ some equipment on it but recessed just enough to sell the concept.

I love this thread.

Go Skalk Go! When it is all done you will be happy with it.

Man this blog is freaking brilliant. I'm itching for some Nerco action now.

Love the new building.... if it is not too late this one is my favourite top section:



and Exalt + 1

Peter

Thanks PDH. I haven't decided what to do on the top yet. You like the drain strainer? Vik says the holes are too big (snicker)

@ Skalk, that is a great idea, rusted old hydraulics seized up with ancient rust.

The drain stainer does look the best, also the action shot is really good. Keep up the good work!

I think I need to stop off and get some more of that 1 1/2" PVC drain pipe. The piece I had was just long enough for the three sections you see.

Love it, Love it, Love it! The round building reminds me of Empire Strike back!

I like the strainer on top, sort of like a huge exhaust system.

HAHA When I cut the plasticard I thought the same thing. It looks like it could be the large, round, ominous windows the Emperor seems to like on everything.

so i play the devils advocate here... the strainer isn´t to my liking... as said before i think the scale of them holes is way too big... looks as if your necro guys could poke their heads through.... what on earth could allow such holes? you could use it tho if you used thin card inside and drilled at least five new holes in one big hole... that way you´d get extra detail that could have a fluffy reason...

as for a use of the bebob drum tower... i pictured it as a sort of landing platform when i saw the three level version for the first time... so RS Jake was spot on with his association of emprire strikes back...

and because i have been planning something special for yer B-day i have to excuse my today lazyness with a buch of :



vik

That is a big ol' box-o-rivets Vik! lol

The holes might be big, but hives have to some big machinery! It looks like a big muffler to me.

I still like the big holes, but you could also glue window screen behind it...that way some necromuda noob won't get his head stuck on accident.

LOL We were just having this discussion about the lack of safety railings in all of sci-fi!

This terrain looks perfect, you're totally finished.

--B.

They should just unscrew the legs and let the lad go play Mutant Ninja Teenage Turtles with his mates
(assuming their heads are not stuck in saucepans/iron railings/miscellaneous household appliances)

gahhhh looks so cool!! I love the microphone looking thing on the top! It reminds of an old crooners microphone

bebopdrums2424 wrote:gahhhh looks so cool!! I love the microphone looking thing on the top! It reminds of an old crooners microphone

You mean like the Ratskin Pack?

Looking groovy Dstein, though you hardly need telling!

hehee exactly!!!!
Scavvy Davis Jr.

This. What he said.

Briancj wrote:This terrain looks perfect, you're totally finished.

See? I told you. Say "here you go, finished product!" and it all works out.

I'm mostly w/ Vik on the pipe, but I'm going to hold off until it has paint on it before I really draw down on it. I can't completely put my finger on it, and I know it is awesome because of the other reactions, just haven't been able to connect w/ this part of the project.

if i ahve my little say here i think it still needs a major leaque riveting ...on the doors, the support pipes and on the floors...i have today been riding with our local public masstransportation system...called S-Bahn and i tell you this, rivets in mutitude all over every damned suppert beam for roofs and such likes....i was driving by too fast to actually count then but boy are there many of them...

I already riveted the floors! I should charge by the rivet!

hey! just take a look at your sig....then at your post, back to your sig... and then to your post... what was you saying again?

Ya well, just because you people build things to last and your infrastructure isnt crumbling so that the rich just keep getting richer and fatter like it is here in the US ...

???? worng thread post or is it me that doens´t see a connection here?

He's just saying in the US we will go for less rivets, less money to make something, but in a short amount of time, we'll have to do it again because it breaks. So, more money in the pockets of the guys who are already making too much money.

yes, thanks Jake..perfect. Here in Indiana Vik, we only have 2 seasons...Winter..and Road Construction

Looking very, very good Steiny! can't wait to see that baby primed and painted!

Basically, Vik, we are not pleased with corporate greed here.

Yes, the politicians need money to campaign, the only people with money are big corporations. The Corporations give the politicians money to campaign, then once elected they are obliged to return the favor to the Big Corporations in the form of laws and such...the cycle repeats every 4 years. You can see the problem in this scenario?

By the way Dstein - I agree with more rivets. It just looks better....I know it takes longer, and it's a pain, but SOOOOO worth it!

Also, on the doors, where the hinges would be, you should make big bolts and washers! I know, more work. But if you have a paper punch, and I seem to remeber that you do...use thin styrene, and a fairly large (2mm?) hole, then same hole punch with thicker card, then cut off the edges to make it 6 sided or 8 sided, then a smaller hole puch on the thicker card, and put them together...so it looks like a washer, nut, and part of the bolt sticking out of the top.

Like the picture below. It's kind hard to see, but it's the elbow joint on the Nob.

Ok, I like the technique and the results, but where do I put more rivets (besides the hatches)? on the supports? I don't know where they need to go on the tower. What made sense to me I already did, except on the coffee can edges.

that washer is looking good jake!

and about the poilitics in your U.S. i sincerely hope that there will come some sort of (unbloody) revoluton from you... the spirit has spread to europe at least in a form now...i hope for all the world that there will be some stopping to the greedy nature but i say this with earnest... those that are funded well have the funds to buy arms... and they sure do have them already... i have often thought about a term: corporate wars.... i think it is most likely.... one day not nations but companies will battle it out in the open (they have for millenias done so in the secure shadows of course)

and on subject... more rivets ...

and the pun with the tow seasons... just priceless^^

oh and one thing... recently i watched a program on tv about forbidding hedgefonds that have food on their lists... can you imagine that greed has a direct influence on starvation and death? well now at least i saw that...*shudders*

at shaso... i cross fingers for all your protests on wallstreet and such likes to move things!!! this would be truly a thing were the U.S of A would be again a land of oportunities and dreams...a hallmark of freedom it once truly was! (you have to of course exclude that bit about slavery and the indian incidents^^)

Ok, I can't take this anymore. Rivets rivets rivets!!!!

http://www.ironhands.com/h2rivet.htm

http://www.terragenesis.co.uk/infopages/page180.html

http://www.the-waaagh.com/forums/?showtopic=48362

http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=2571


RIVEEEEETS!!!!

you should add some rivets on the columns of support...and some going inwards on the floor as well...those flat surfaces that support the grating....


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cool links skalk!!!

I already riveted the floors! Any more and minis will not be able to use it!


And what are the rivets on the support columns going to be holding? What are they riveted to? Why would there be rivets there? I think it needs to make sense to me, sort of.

well the columns... the tubes made from two different diameter tubes... the thicker could be fixed by rivtes.... but i see your point... and one has to remember that the painting and then weathering will also add depth to the mini even more so maybe we should cease this^^

@dstein: Have you seen a Leman Russ? Literally none of the rivets make sense! This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets!!!

LMAO HAHAHAHA

cool musings vitruvian^^

Yeah, rivets may not make sense, but they look cool. And if you say RIVETS too many times, the word make no sense at all either!

Very thin slices of fish are needed for Sushi and I need more rivets.

would suhi bits not be a cool addition to the tower?


at jake... sounds a bit like candyman to me^^

Sushi? Candyman? I'm hungry now...

those floors look really nice, ive always wanted to get some of that granny grating just never got around to it

So, uhm, Vik. We're throwing an Intervention for you, before you try and put rivets on things that should not have them. Your obsession with rivets is unhealthy, and will only lead to tears and shame.

Stroke of genius! Or the ravings of a mad man, take your pick...

But you should put LED's under the floors!!!! OMG that would look so cool! I know it's already glued, so maybe next time, but seriously...COOL!

Rivets in the morning, rivets in the evening, rivets at supper time. Vik keeps on adding rivets to everything he finds.

dsteingass wrote:Rivets in the morning, rivets in the evening, rivets at supper time. Vik keeps on adding rivets to everything he finds.

That's the spirit!

Viktor von Domm wrote:if i ahve my little say here i think it still needs a major leaque riveting ...on the doors, the support pipes and on the floors...i have today been riding with our local public masstransportation system...called S-Bahn and i tell you this, rivets in mutitude all over every damned suppert beam for roofs and such likes....i was driving by too fast to actually count then but boy are there many of them...

Oh, Vik, you wounded my heart... Berlin's public transport system is something... the S-Bahn, the U-Bahn, the buses - all work as a greatly tuned mechanism and what I miss the most about it is the 2 flor buses, shame they are gone mostly

dsteingass, sorry for this bit of off-topic, I just collapsed to the nostalgy

And the God-Emprah said "Let their be Rivets!"

but chuck norris said say please.. sorry i had to

Under his beard is an augmetic fist!

dsteingass wrote:Under his beard is an augmetic fist!

With Rivets...

Who caused the big Bang? Chuck Norris' Riveted Fist of course!

ha yea Chuck IS that cool

if you say rivets to many times you will sound like a dyslexic swamp frog...

Fight the power ordinary Americans - your leaders are slaves to the $$$.

Of course I say that but my country is run by a giant lizard so I'm in no position to be smug:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/16/charlie-brooker-cameron-a-lizard

I have two paper punches, and they are both apparently junk. So I tried Jake's idea with styrene rod. The washers look a bit too thick. The bolts are uneven, but once the glue dries I will do the usual snipping down.

^That's something I'm going to use!

Those rivets look really cool and will be perfect once you have them in place and filed down a bit.

I'm going hunting for something to make rivets with this weekend, even if it winds up cutting being just cutting rod w/ my X-acto knife. I really need that "finishing" look before I consider any of my buildings or towers "done".

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@HyenaJoe Please do! post pics!


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Here is the drain Strainer on top with a mini for scale.



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I've always wanted to use these pointy nuts

THAT is awesome. I'm finally connecting w/ it. I thought the strainer was too out of scale and just never dug on the granny grates but with some other bits around it I am seeing the value of the application and once you have some paint on it to darken the glare and get some industrial weathering on it.

Nice rivets.

Awesome! The bolts and washers look sweet! You did a really good job of keeping the nuts symetrical. Mine rarely are, but mine are for Orks, and I figure they make thier own, so they would be a bit wonky.

I like the drain cleaner. And the bolts on that make it look great. I'm so happy one of my ideas made it onto someone elses stuff!

And the pointy nuts look good too! A great way to break up the top edge!

P.S. - Hehehehe...pointy nuts.

I've turned Skalk! Yay!
Jake, Thanks I cheated and used hex rod, I tried your method and mine came out so bad that even orks would call it junk.


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Hey, whatever works, it looks great!

I just saw the strainer on the bottom!

And have you thought of putting a hatch of some sort on the drain cleaner? You might need a place to access that area when a noob gets his head stuck.

Ok MOAR RIVETS!

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Altough I have no idea why Health and Safety of Noobs is important in the Underhive, hopefully I have pleased my public

Sold.



Yeah, I finally came around on it. It is looking pretty awesome.

Hahahaha! Noobs need someone to look out for them! Moar rivets looks great! And I love the hatch!

Thanks guys!

On the table


I think I'm ready to call this one finished!

Super cool. I like all the rivets.

Thanks Green! It's the readers of this blog you should thank for goading me with hot sticks to make more rivets, despite my arguments. Including yourself

I think you'll get majority vote to call this one finished.

Haha lol! It looks great, all the little details at the end there really made it come together, especially the mesh base.

Yep, its finished

Well good thing, because it is now primed!

Did you use that weird "bonding" spray paint or just hit it w/ your regular spary?

Also I have to mention that most of your photos seem like they have conspicuous "product placement" ads. Do you get manufacturer kickbacks for posting on Dakka?

haha I wish! Totally accidental.

I used the Krylon for Plastics

"Beebop Drums Tower construction brought to you by Phil's Insta-Cure+!, make sure anything you have to cure is INSTA-CURED!"
Looks fantastic!

Job's a Good Un Boss!

It's not just Insta-Cure, it's Insta Cure + (plus) !! Brand Medium Viscosity Cyanoacrylate!

-Just ask for the CA in the Purple Bottle behind the counter at Phil's Hobby Shop, Fort Wayne, IN

Just wanted to weigh in here: For someone who is looking at doing their first table of industrial terrain for a campaign sooner than later (me) this is great inspiration! This really does show the value of a good collection of odds and ends.

UG

Dstein - I can hear the $$$ rolling in now! you should forward this blog to them so that they know they owe you royalties!

ok the strainer i am too sold about now... not that it would count a lot in those lands it seesm... i spent a high noon in the RL an what does it teach me? i miss out on so many hillraious and sweet action....by the way... i don´t eat rivets for breakfast... i eat them for snacks...hole crowbars when i feel a tad more hungry...


and my dog if i had one would eat them too:


and while chewing my favorite meal...i listen to:




the tower is looking very cool! the strainer with the added card and then the lovly washer bolts mix looks so coool... i had to snigger of course about the pointy nuts too but the addening of those bitz is quite a nice idea and adds to a certain grimm darkness of gothic look!

by the way dstein... the pic of the mass of rivets wasn´t your real B-Day present... i am currently working on a devotionla figure for you.... surprise surprise^^

oh and storag... when did you used to live in berlin? and when was this wonderland of a fine tuned mechanism??? sounds like about 30 years ago^^

Riveting work Dstein.

this very thread is riveting! Do you intend to do the great big square tower thing? The one seen here in the lower left:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jon_a_ross/2367378547/

HLJ.com does good stuff for rivets, from tools to making them and premade rivets, give them a visit.

Thanks everyone! Yes I do intend on doing that building, the layered detail is mind boggling on that thing though.

I liked where you went with that tower cant waite to see the next one

Looks good undercoated. Where do you find the time and the speed to get this done so quickley?

Wow man, everyday more awesomeness! Yay for beebopdrums tower

Da God Emprah Approves!

Thanks a lot everyone
@PDH I have been burning sick days and the weather has sucked lately.
@Vik LMAO you're a pointy nut!

Vik the rivet nut!

Oh yeah, check out this: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/405045.page

Supply Drop!

I went birthday Shopping!
Besides a metric ass-ton of the usual styrene I-Beam, girders, tubes and rods I found some O-scale double tread plating sheet, 1/2" square sidewalk sheet, ABS ladders, Square and rectangular tube, larger hex rod (MOAR RIVETS!) , but also a 1/72 scale US Civil War (or any era really) Munitions wagon and ambulance wagon set, Extra Thick gap-filling super glue (CA), box of 100 #11 blades, and a fresh tube of squadron green (ol' faithful), and a fresh jar of Plastic Weld (best glue for plastic, actually melts the two surfaces into each other). Ignore the prices, I get a discount I am a member of IPMS-USA in good standing. I also get free model kits as I write reviews on them from time to time.

What to build now??

Holy gak!! Thats a hoard alright!

Blige, did they throw the shop storage system in with it for you?
They may as well have now they are suddenly out of stock!

No, I already have a store rack actually! but it is for long tubing, balsa, dowel rods, etc. These are all only 15" long a piece lol

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Oh BTW: Everybody needs to check this thread out! What a great community we have here!
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/404373.page#3474931

well well well, what do we have here now?

I restocked, the last few projects were using up what I had on hand.


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@Chibi, But oh i've sat and dreamed of having one like this

dsteingass wrote:What to build now??

Everything.

Da mega-load!

I just wanted to say... this is all too amazing. You must be using hobby-enhancing drugs.

lol, maybe but there's no rule against it in this league thankfully

working with I-Beam, what will it be?



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Nuts!

what ever it may turn out to be it is already aiming for a hell of a looker^^!!! those I-beams are a sweet thing and no mistake!

vik

Water tower perchance?

looks grand whatever it is

You could build a skyscraper!

SUrely a water tower?

Iandroid wrote:I just wanted to say... this is all too amazing. You must be using hobby-enhancing drugs.

^ Win.

Once again, I say that you are a god of plastruct scratch-build. That is already amazing. Hyenajoe needs some of that stuff, if it was off-kilter a bit it would be so Orky that Mork himself would cry. Or was it Gork?

Fantastic work on every peice in this project.

Thanks Everyone! Your comments and suggestions of excessive riveting keep me going!

Bolts for the nuts!


It's not the water still, that will be a different project, this is just the support pylon for an elevated major walkway.


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Skalk has been infecting me with his bridge projects.


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WIde enough that a Salamander/Chimera could drive over it if absolutely necessary.

Just found this blog. I love this. I still use all my old necromunda terrain in 40k. I may be stealing this idea when the card terrain finally gives up the ghost.

Subscribed!

ps. Plastruct is awesome isn't it?

Before rivetization

After RIvetization

I have rivet envy.

I wonder if either of us are going to sleep at all this weekend?

im liking where your going with this walkway, looks cool so far

I absolutely love Necromunda, and the terrain you are making is incredible. Makes me want to make some for myself and for anyone who has seen my necro hoard they will tell you that I need no more industrial walk-ways. I would suggest that you consider making molds of your large nuts/rivets, even a good quick press mold would save you a ton of time (to reinvest into moar terrain).

For your next trick I would recommend a elevator similar to the outlanders kit.

Also are you basing these building on MDF or plastic?

I know what it is now!

It's a see saw for tanks!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:I know what it is now!

It's a see saw for tanks!

LOL! now, yes, but between towers.....

You'll sleep When you're dead Skalk!

Thanks Guys!

Some Cover added to the bridge

I want to buy this so badly right now. I have molded polystyrene envy on top of rivet envy.

How have you built that in such a short amount of time??? All I've done is stab myself w/ my X-acto blade and trying to figure out why one wall of my current project seems shorter than the other one but they both measure out exactly the same.

Gah. I'm going to go have a beer and paint some zombies.

Well I slept in till 9:00 am, now it's 12:51 AM, I've been working on it all day. (I love saturdays) I am tired now, so I am going to bed, no doubt to dream of rivets. I leave you with the latest in photographs.

OUTSTANDING! (in my best Gunny voice) Need more bridges like this!

Oh how I envy you with this supplies! solid bridge there!

i really like your new washer and rivet look...that brings the whole built on a new level...(no pun intended^^)

and skalk... didin´t found the price of that superstation...how much? sounds like you have to sell your grandma for this^^

vik

Back at it this morning:

@dsteingass

Where do you recommend online for purchasing specialty plastic like the ladders and beams?

Tower Hobbies .com seems to have some good stuff not sure about the ladders. I supported my local hobby shop with mine though.

That is a very nice pile of plastic.....sorry that should have read massive pile of glorious plastic.

As I've come to expect the walkway is fabulous.

Looking forward to seeing it and the other building painted....and hopefully a full battle report with photographs when it is all done.

Thanks PDH.

Desperate for the skulls that this project deserved, I found the following solution.




Skalk was talking about symmetry in his thread, and that got me thinking. Symmetry in construction is human nature and is very pleasing to the eye.



And now onto the walkway proper....

Wow, how much progress can one guy make? This would be an amazing set to play on, I should make something like this for my Deatchwatch group.
UG

this is one of the best things you've made!, looks like getting all those Ibeams was a good idea!

@ Unlucky. I'm not working fast, just have the juises flowing that's all

@ Rogue, Thanks a lot man, I'm thinking this is my favorite too.

Screen was laid from the center. Glued the center first to stretch out the aluminum mesh.

Loving the bridge, it looks amazing! I'm tempted to get some stuff from plastruct for my space hulk board, that I'll be making soon.

That'll Be EPIC Farty!

..And I think We'll call this one finished!

Thats so awesome!

You are well on your way now

Words cannot describe how amazing that is!

Thanks so much Farty and Vitruvian!

Awesome! I can't wait to see these amazing pieces painted.

what a feel this implies....ooting all those movie memories from alien and bladerunner...too cool for just one table^^ so send it over to me^^

tho on a side note...as much as i am loving all those sexy rivets that are here in abundance i am not so eager about the skulls....and you even had to kill some bulkheads for these....argh^^

the mesh is one heck of a cool and (don´t get me wrong on this here) easy way to add lots of texture to your models...i want to experiment with flymesh on my next tankproject... do you think this might work?


vik

You would have to stretch the screen mesh tight as it is not a metal mesh, glue-stretch-glue, but it could be done.

well i had planned to make it used via pva coat anyway.... maybe aply first and then cut to size later on...what do you think of this way?

If making it an engine gril, make the hole, make sure that inside the hole you have space to glue the screen to, and cut the size that will be just big enough to glue to those spaces that are not the hole inside the screen cover plate that will not be shown. Add rivets to the outside that will show like my screens have done.

to be honest i thought about using the mesh for a kind of armor type... you know as texture for the plates...

Viktor von Domm wrote:to be honest i thought about using the mesh for a kind of armor type... you know as texture for the plates...

I have seen such on some vehicles, but mostly as extended away from the main hull of the vehicles like the Strykers, that is a way to pre-detonate the RPG's . It might fit your Viktorians as well. the mesh glued to the cardboard to make a new feel to the metals they are using! but also makes great engine cover grills.

yep thats what i had in mind.... i just wanted to be used as a new way for texturing the tankhide...as i said on my thread... every tank should look differently...

Yeah.

Thanks guys. I've tried using the vinyl flymesh before, the problem is that it it vinyl, the only thing that sticks to vinyl is good Super Glue. Which is what I used to secure the aluminum mesh too. I don't think PVA or plastic glue would hold vinyl.

dsteingass wrote:Thanks guys. I've tried using the vinyl flymesh before, the problem is that it it vinyl, the only thing that sticks to vinyl is good Super Glue. Which is what I used to secure the aluminum mesh too. I don't think PVA or plastic glue would hold vinyl.

If vinyl, he could coat the the cardboard with super-glue and attached the mesh, then PVA over it when dry to have a stronger surface, as well as protect from paint!

If he could find a way to press the vinyl mesh into the surface board without sticking his fingers to it and ruining it.

Wet paper towels on his fingers would do.

My fingers are still encrusted with CA from this mesh. Wouldn't the wet paper towel stick too?

I know I avoid gluing the mesh where you can see, because once it's painted it looks like Gak.

I was really in the zone on this project. I had plenty of supplies, but believe it or not, I could still use more I-Beams - This project was a parts hog!
The reason for doing this was because I really wanted to use the zigzag girder styrene. This crap is expensive compared to other styrene ($3.29 per 12" piece) But OMG is it versatile. Physics still apply, even at this 28mm "Heroic" scale. It really does supply excellent load-bearing qualities, allowing you to span greater lengths of space without fear of breaking or bending. And it looks extremely cool IMO.

Stunning work. I am awed. So much detail, so many amazing ideas. You've done as well on this as any other thread I've seen on Dakka, and that means exactly what it is meant to mean. This project is right up there with the best. Well done.

The trick is that it allow you to move off the glue if you do not stay to long. The water allows you to slide but just once per session, it can be paper towel intensive.

well for some works i wear gloves that help when wet...will point it out on a later session once i am again into tankbuilding^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:well for some works i wear gloves that help when wet...will point it out on a later session once i am again into tankbuilding^^

Cool! I will look forward to seeing these gloves

I Just see disaster waiting to happen when trying to press wet paper towels into super glue. I'd definitely want to test this on scrap before taking the chance on my finished terrain and crying like a little girl.

Holy Jeebus! All this done over the weekend? I need to check in on the weekends more often. I just wish I had time.

I love the bridge. Kind of skimped a bit on the rivets though huh? Hahahahaha! Just kidding! I like the nuts and bolts, very nice.

Keep it up! What have you got planned next?

Where did you get the little clamps from that held the i-beam structure together? they look really useful.

3-3/4" brass bar clamps from Micro Mark www.micromark.com

You can always pre-coat your fingers with superglue, let it dry, and then do the work. Believe it or not, this works.

ouch.... the burns i had from superglue on them once was not a thing i would do on purpose...dedication to hobby is a fine thing but it can lead you to certain dark passages...

I agree, superglue sucks on fingers, do not suck on superglued fingers!

Oh no....
what have I done?

Bridges look good together

yeah dstein... now the kidgloves are off... bare knuckle terrain building comencing!!! this is a wall of rivets, bars and climbs...

this one was my first vision of my ideas about ever trying that on my own... so lead the way fearless leader!!!

Oh, this is gonna be good!

No Pressure!

the vent will be a heck of work ...or will you use a bit?

welp if weve learned anything is that you and plasticard go together like pb & j

If anyone is interested, I just posted an impromptu rivets tut on my terrain thread. I think it is pretty awesome, feedback appreciated.

Ok, tonight's fruits on the table for everyone's morning coffee tomorrow.

so when are you gonna paint all this stuff? It all looks so cool. I am so tempted to paint a necromunda force then mail it to you, so you can photo it on your terrain

haha that'd be a nice group bebops guard on dsteins terrain, btw tower looks like its coming along

Wow, that walkway looked great. Love the attention to details, I-beams, rivets and everything.

The new tower is also off to a good start. Waiting you to get all the details in place.

well division of labor is just a good way our overall civilization works by...^^

Ok, tonight's fruits on the table for everyone's morning coffee tomorrow.

ok it was rather my khorne flakes to go with your update but there you are^^ and it was quite good tasting on both items^^

that tower is a looker and a half^^ and because i am the apointed authority here...it needs a hell lot of rivets of course^^

That's it! Vik is the Rivet-King!

I find this thread to be...riveting.

--B.

Briancj wrote:I find this thread to be...riveting.

--B.

Looking so far Dstein! Are there going to be doors and windows to the inside? Or are the "floors" just for support?

Thanks everyone, the floors are just support. Fear not, there will be a metric ass-ton of rivets to come.


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Not quite yet though.

even now its coming together looks great, makes me reeeally want to buy some of those clamps though

Briancj wrote:I find this thread to be...riveting.

--B.

No... just no...

Anyway, can't wait to see further progress on the tower...

This tower is gonna be great!

I think have impressed myself here, this is gonna work guys.

well now i know i dont need to spend alot of money to get the 'munda bulkhead look on terrain. i just need to hire someone who would be willing to kidnap someone for me...

I can see myself in a dark room forced to make rivets for fear of the lash...