Spyder68 wrote:Smart cast is used for Targeted Spells so you do not have to press the spell, then press where the spell goes.
Like for Annie.
You Mouse over enemy, hit Tibbers and he lands right there instantly.. Rather then hit tibbers, then click where you want him to land.
This speeds things up drastically for skill shots and chaining through the abilities.
Annie again. Tibbers > The fireball > The Aoe Flame.
You can cast those by hitting 3 buttons in a row and they all land where your mouse is..
Rather then.. TIbbers > Click >Hit Fireball > Click> Hit Flame > Click.
It makes a HUGE difference on champs like Annie and Ezreal where the speed of the chain matters. I would highly recommend after a new player begins to feel they're hitting a plateau in their personal skill that they try smartcasting if they havn't already.
Id try Dota 2 if anyone had a spare Key then dont need.
PM me, I've got a key I can give you when I get home.
The Bringer wrote:I just got my first penta as Twitch xD
I got the quadra-kill pretty luckily, and then katarina popped out in front of me, and instead of flaying my squishy hide, she ran and I killed her for the penta.
I remember my first penta. I was tristana in a PVP (Summoner ~lv20) and I hopped in the battle and murdered the first four. I was starting to be dissapointed but I saw their Fizz running away by their inhibitor turret. I dove like a boss and got the kill. Sure, I died afterwards but it was SO worth it.
AlexHolker wrote:I've had a go with Vi against bots, and she was great in one-on-one, but had a really hard time disengaging when things weren't in her favour. Whenever someone started running, the combination of Assault and Battery, Excessive Force and Vault Breaker ensured that they would die anyway. But when I tried to run, I wasn't benefiting from the ~65% lifesteal I'd built up.
I've been experimenting with Vi, (not so much this week because she's free) and I'm finding that an interesting summoner's combination on her, instead of the old standby of flash/ignite is ghost/exaust. Ghost gets you out of sticky binds, gets you to critical battles faster and closes important gaps on targets while exaust makes sure you can get those last hits in on that enemy that's trying to get away. Your Q works well as a last resort dash, with a small charge giving you about the same distance as flash would on open ground.
The penta I got as twitch wasn't really deserved, before it I was 5 and 10 xP. There entire team lined up and mauled my team, and while my team was getting slaughtered I picked them off one by one.
I almost got a penta as Nasus, that one I deserved. I jumped into a team-fight all my allies were dying in, activated my ult and start slaughtering everyone. (I had farmed my q way ahead because they left me alone in top lane). I got the quadra and I was about to kill the last guy when one of my teammates sniped him.... I was so upset.
My best game ever was 24/0 as Twitch and 22/0 Fiddlesticks. Both were done on 3v3 matches.
I just tried Ahri, Vi, and Brand. Vi seems good, but I can't play her right. Ahri seems good, but I suck as her. Brand seems good, and he was easy to play... but he seems a little boring. My only game as him I went 19/9.... and it was a pretty boring game so I prolly won't play him again. My favorite mid so far is LeBlanc, Twitch, and Veigar. Leblanc is really hard but if you can play her its amazing.
Says the guy who has all his skins, because, y'know, I love them all.
I got Cassio yesterday and have been playing around with her a bit. Learning mid at lvl 30 is a painful curve, but I'm getting the hang of it, and I lvoe the sheer dps she can put out at any given time.
Im very hot and cold with Malphite. I either kick some major ass, or do squat. I seem to barely hurt Master Yi, so when I see him being played, I hope I get tossed against him But overall I really enjoy Malphite, the guy can seriously dish out damage. I think its fun to charge into a x2 or x3 blob of summoners that have been pushing longer then they should have? Then BOOM! I start hitting all of them at the same time with several attacks. Its glorious
Automatically Appended Next Post: Although now Im saving up for either an assassin or a tank, and Im not sure which champ to use for either one
The thing you need to understand if you play Malphite consistently well is that you're not aiming to get kills. I mean, sure if the oppertunity presents itself, go all in,, but generally, you're there to win the game. It's literally as simple as that. No matter whether you've fed all game, and are like 0/10, or you've taken a great big dump on your opponents lane, malphites ulti is a game changer. a charge in knock up with stuns for 2 seconds? If you catch 2-3 people with it, you will be pretty much guarantied a won teamfight. Catch 5 of them, and you might be able to push a tower. Out of curiosity, how're you building Malphite? If you're looking for a tank, there's only a few who can out do him, and they generally are a pain in the ass to play well.
My build, (bare in mind I play him in the Jungle, as his ganks inlane are horrendously powerful at lvl 6) is fairly simple. I start with a cloth armor and 5 health pots, then build the cloth armor into either a frozen heart of a randuins omen, depending on the situation. Look at their team normally. If there's a lot of melee AD guys (bruisers) I'd say frozen heart. The great thing about it is that if you get hit, you slow the enemy. And you have heaps on mana aswell. But if the team is quite squishy, got randuins, because when you combine it with your ulti, it just ruins an enemy team. Ulti in, knock everyone up, hit your E to slow their attack speed, then randuin, and you've slowed them all too. By this time your team will pile in and murder everything. After that, I love boots of mobility, just because slow champions upset me physically (Is it small wonder my most enjoyable champion tends to be Hecarim or Rammus, who can get movement speeds of 600) but feel free to get merc treads if their AP is strong, or ninja tabai if their AD is strong. Then I get a shurelyas, as you are taking that tanky support role, which gives you a speed boost to chase people down, which on top of your Q will mean pretty much nothing can get away from you. Possibly a thornmail if their teams carry is getting super fed (thornmail redirects basic attack damage you take back at the enemy. It's a scary surprise when your opponent suddenly finds themselves dying because of their own attacks) or a Banshees veil if their AP is a bit worrisome. I like to get a warmogs after that (especially if I didn't get randuins) then finish off the build with either runic bulwark or ohmebreaker? It's really whatever tickles your fancy by that point. Whilst you will definitely not churn out masses of damage, your E (the ground slam) will do a surprising amount, as its damage scales with armor, and your presence in a teamfight will normally tip the scales. Hope this helps, if you have any questions lemme know! I was really proud that my build got me through to Silver ranked (I know some here might be gold or plat, but I only started the whole ranked scen last season) and it seems still fairly effective in the current jungle.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh. And as for tanks. Alistair is fantastic. But I wouldn't recommend him, simply because his wombo combo (where you headbutt them, and then midflight pulverize them into the air, leading to a 3-4 second stun) is an absolute bitch to pull off. I play alistair from time to time and I only do the combo if it's a kill or be killed situation. I'm to afraid I'll botch it up to use it to engage into a teamfight normally
The Bringer wrote: I just tried Ahri, Vi, and Brand. Vi seems good, but I can't play her right. Ahri seems good, but I suck as her. Brand seems good, and he was easy to play... but he seems a little boring. My only game as him I went 19/9.... and it was a pretty boring game so I prolly won't play him again. My favorite mid so far is LeBlanc, Twitch, and Veigar. Leblanc is really hard but if you can play her its amazing.
Vi is really good, one of the most extreme bursters I've ever played because of her knock arounds and gap closers. The problem is that if you try to go against someone with decent tankiness, you'll get rolled yourself. The combo of abilities and selection of the targets really will put a good Vi on a different level from all the people trying to play her free this week.
Leblanc is an akward character though, she can dominate the early game and snowball into the mid game but she almost always drops off late. I have difficulty playing her because I love to have an late game presence that she just doesn't have.
Says the guy who has all his skins, because, y'know, I love them all.
I got Cassio yesterday and have been playing around with her a bit. Learning mid at lvl 30 is a painful curve, but I'm getting the hang of it, and I lvoe the sheer dps she can put out at any given time.
Im very hot and cold with Malphite. I either kick some major ass, or do squat. I seem to barely hurt Master Yi, so when I see him being played, I hope I get tossed against him But overall I really enjoy Malphite, the guy can seriously dish out damage. I think its fun to charge into a x2 or x3 blob of summoners that have been pushing longer then they should have? Then BOOM! I start hitting all of them at the same time with several attacks. Its glorious
Automatically Appended Next Post: Although now Im saving up for either an assassin or a tank, and Im not sure which champ to use for either one
The thing you need to understand if you play Malphite consistently well is that you're not aiming to get kills. I mean, sure if the oppertunity presents itself, go all in,, but generally, you're there to win the game. It's literally as simple as that. No matter whether you've fed all game, and are like 0/10, or you've taken a great big dump on your opponents lane, malphites ulti is a game changer. a charge in knock up with stuns for 2 seconds? If you catch 2-3 people with it, you will be pretty much guarantied a won teamfight. Catch 5 of them, and you might be able to push a tower. Out of curiosity, how're you building Malphite? If you're looking for a tank, there's only a few who can out do him, and they generally are a pain in the ass to play well.
My build, (bare in mind I play him in the Jungle, as his ganks inlane are horrendously powerful at lvl 6) is fairly simple. I start with a cloth armor and 5 health pots, then build the cloth armor into either a frozen heart of a randuins omen, depending on the situation. Look at their team normally. If there's a lot of melee AD guys (bruisers) I'd say frozen heart. The great thing about it is that if you get hit, you slow the enemy. And you have heaps on mana aswell. But if the team is quite squishy, got randuins, because when you combine it with your ulti, it just ruins an enemy team. Ulti in, knock everyone up, hit your E to slow their attack speed, then randuin, and you've slowed them all too. By this time your team will pile in and murder everything. After that, I love boots of mobility, just because slow champions upset me physically (Is it small wonder my most enjoyable champion tends to be Hecarim or Rammus, who can get movement speeds of 600) but feel free to get merc treads if their AP is strong, or ninja tabai if their AD is strong. Then I get a shurelyas, as you are taking that tanky support role, which gives you a speed boost to chase people down, which on top of your Q will mean pretty much nothing can get away from you. Possibly a thornmail if their teams carry is getting super fed (thornmail redirects basic attack damage you take back at the enemy. It's a scary surprise when your opponent suddenly finds themselves dying because of their own attacks) or a Banshees veil if their AP is a bit worrisome. I like to get a warmogs after that (especially if I didn't get randuins) then finish off the build with either runic bulwark or ohmebreaker? It's really whatever tickles your fancy by that point. Whilst you will definitely not churn out masses of damage, your E (the ground slam) will do a surprising amount, as its damage scales with armor, and your presence in a teamfight will normally tip the scales. Hope this helps, if you have any questions lemme know! I was really proud that my build got me through to Silver ranked (I know some here might be gold or plat, but I only started the whole ranked scen last season) and it seems still fairly effective in the current jungle.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh. And as for tanks. Alistair is fantastic. But I wouldn't recommend him, simply because his wombo combo (where you headbutt them, and then midflight pulverize them into the air, leading to a 3-4 second stun) is an absolute bitch to pull off. I play alistair from time to time and I only do the combo if it's a kill or be killed situation. I'm to afraid I'll botch it up to use it to engage into a teamfight normally
That seems to be how Ive been playing Malphite then, glad to see I was doing it right Ive also found myself going in and being the jungle guy from time to time with him. BUT!
How does one exactly jungle anyways? Im lvl 10 or 11 and I seriously NEVER see people do it, so Ive no real clue if you jungle from the get go, or lvl up on minions a bit first or what. Can someone explain to me, like Im 6, how to jungle?
Alfndrate wrote: I don't even know what jungle means! lol to the interwebs! *flies away!*
To jungle means you roam around in the forests between lanes, killing neutral monsters and jumping out and ambushing people. Since experience for minion kills is divided between all nearby champions and you only get gold for finishing blows, two champions in one lane will get less of each than if they farm separately.
The build I tried for Vi seemed good for jungling, since you really want your cooldowns to be done by the time you jump out and murder someone, and the massive amounts of lifesteal meant she could even kill the dragon and gain life at the same time.
Jungling is the hardest job in the game (support shortly thereafter) because you have to have skills to fight in the jungle, map awareness to know what is going on, and technique to pull off a successful gank (ambush enemies in a lane) where it is needed.
You'll be the brunt of all the hate if you don't do things right, but at least jungling gets recognition when done properly (everyone loves awesome ganks). Support, a role I enjoy alot, is the most thankless job ;_;
Ah, jungling... that is something to try in bot games until you can successfully kill the big golem, the lizard king, the wolves, the wraiths and the little golems before you go back to the tower for the first time.
It is much harder before you hit lvl 30 because you don't have access to the runes you need to survive it. An extra 10 armor and 75 life can make the difference between getting both red and blue buffs, and dying ignominiously to a creep.
Watch some videos before you try it, and remember to bring Smite as a summoner spell.
The game defaults to a button press bringing up a template or targeting cursor that you then have to click to use.
Smartcast just ignores the mouse click and uses the ability directly on the location/target under the cursor.
I believe the game defaults have smartcast as SHIFT+[key] for any abilities or items. Try it out to see the difference. It's awkward at first, but once you get used to it it becomes game changing in your favor.
Well it depends. Sometimes you see full tank malphite, brusier malphite (a combination of both tank and attacker, pretty much just a beefy guy) and AP. I don't play Maphite though, but his abilities scale with AP and armour.
Still on something like him you want to at least have somewhat decent defense.
KingCracker wrote: OK what route should I go with Malphite? Focus on getting him attack upgrades and runes and such, or go strait defense on upgrades and runes??
When I build Malphite, I like to build him more tanky. Pick up some good Armor and Magic Resist. Randuin's Omen is awesome for him, because he is a heavy initiator. You need to get that survivability so when you do initiate for the team, you do not get burned down so quickly.
Building Malphite tanky is great, I've never played mal specifically, but whenever I build an initator/tank style character I love to build armor and AOE buffs for your team as well as debuffs for the other team.
Great items for this are:
Aegis/Bulwark to buff your team's defense
Zeke's Herald for AOE buff lifesteal/AD Will of the Ancients for AOE buff Spellvamp/AP Sunfire Cape for AOE magic damage of enemies
Abysal Scepter for AOE debuff of enemy magic resistance
There are other great items for this as well, all based on the situation. I'm trying to learn the best items overall but Aegis/Bulwark is always useful to have in teamfights.
My build for Malphite is: Frozen Heart, Randuin's, Rylai's Crystal Scepter, Sunfire Cape, Warmog's
I usually go Merc treads or Ninja Tabi when with Malphite. I build Malphite with a lot of armour which is great for his E.
If anyone new to the game wants morgana I have two promo codes I got in EB games today, since I don't need them just send me a pm and I'll send you over the promo code and how to redeem it.
Krellnus wrote: If anyone new to the game wants morgana I have two promo codes I got in EB games today, since I don't need them just send me a pm and I'll send you over the promo code and how to redeem it.
1 left already, but its 1 am here so I better get some sleep.
The Bringer wrote: I just tried Ahri, Vi, and Brand. Vi seems good, but I can't play her right. Ahri seems good, but I suck as her. Brand seems good, and he was easy to play... but he seems a little boring. My only game as him I went 19/9.... and it was a pretty boring game so I prolly won't play him again. My favorite mid so far is LeBlanc, Twitch, and Veigar. Leblanc is really hard but if you can play her its amazing.
Vi is really good, one of the most extreme bursters I've ever played because of her knock arounds and gap closers. The problem is that if you try to go against someone with decent tankiness, you'll get rolled yourself. The combo of abilities and selection of the targets really will put a good Vi on a different level from all the people trying to play her free this week.
Heh? Vi rocks tanks. Her W does %Damage based on health.....
So Nami is apparently a really good, underplayed support. I guess people were either not that great with her or just wrote her off but I find that nobody is ready for the amount of harassment and kill setups that I can apply with her. I feel that in the right hands, she's borderline OP.
I have been playing a lot of games as Javran recently I despise versing Nidalee... She is so annoying to verse when you are playing as J4. "You want csJarvan? Eat a spear!" "Oh, yeah, you think you trap me in your ult, I'll go cougar on you and jump out, just to spear you in the face." >.>
Nid Spears are easy to dodge once you get used to them. Remember also, they do more damage the further they have travelled, so if you know your gonna get hit, run toward them.
I'm having fun at the moment playing Sona as an AD+mana spellsword using Muramana + Iceborn Gauntlet. Her abilities have short cooldowns, short animations, auto-target and don't cost much mana, so I can spam them to charge Manamune and later to power spellblades and power chords.
This past weekend I enjoyed watching some of the Euro Quals for the LCS. I saw some interesting tactics so when I decided to learn a couple new champions I figured I'd toy around with them as well.
I'll tell you what, setting up homeguard boots and teleport on Malphite is ridiculous. Nobody is escaping without damage on that gank! Now to do it with a damage dealer like Vi...
Just had a go with the Homeguard + Teleport combo on Riven. Managed to gank two enemy champions in one go, chasing down Renekton with Wind Slash and then running into the enemy base to kill Miss Fortune before Recalling out.
You're in luck. This is something in the works on the PBE. Of course, as someone who plays a lot of Cho, I disagree.
Thank God! Its just so ridiculously long, I had to lane against him as katarina, HE WAS 1 Q AWAY UNDER TOWER and fething silenced me. I was like " U WOT M8?" Then died.
Well being bluntly honest, cho hard counters Katarina, so you got screwed from the get go XD That you even managed to get him that low is really a testament to your awesomeness (or his badness).
Cho was one of my first characters. He is just so mighty in so many ways.
If you ever want to pick him up, google the MFing chogath by condon. It is tremendously dated, but presents the best understanding of the Cho psychology that I have ever seen.
LordofHats wrote: Well being bluntly honest, cho hard counters Katarina, so you got screwed from the get go XD That you even managed to get him that low is really a testament to your awesomeness (or his badness).
I'm a good kat though. Plus i know something few people can do or realise: You can dodge the knock up, its easy. You either preempt it and start running, thereby getting out of the way, or duke him into using it. Same with mundo/amumu Q, stand behind minions constantly, they can't do anything to you, problem solved.
LordofHats wrote: Well being bluntly honest, cho hard counters Katarina, so you got screwed from the get go XD That you even managed to get him that low is really a testament to your awesomeness (or his badness).
I'm a good kat though. Plus i know something few people can do or realise: You can dodge the knock up, its easy. You either preempt it and start running, thereby getting out of the way, or duke him into using it. Same with mundo/amumu Q, stand behind minions constantly, they can't do anything to you, problem solved.
While I can agree to that with champs like Amumu or Blitz, Mundo is a different boat because when I lane with him I actually like to use my cleaver to last hit from range (recharges in about the same time). So what would happen in the end is that the enemy gets complacent and relaxed because I'm not targeting them then they take a cleaver to the face.
Yeah i can understand that, but as i said before, if theres minions between the cleaver and you, its fine lol. The only times a mundo can Q me in lane is either a) When im running away from a gank etc, b) they try and flank around to land it, in which case i just put the minions in front again, and poke like crazy or c) When im accidentally too far forward and they take advantage.
Dreadwinter wrote: The new Garen skin looks very similar to some of those Spacey Marines. I like it a lot.
The Darius one looks even more like a space marine. I think Garen looks more like a terminator to be honest, even though he and Darius are about the same size.
That's sort of the point of it too which is cool. Apparently the red recolour for Garen was inspired by the Blood Angels.
Anyway been having "fun" with the new ranked system. Got dragged all the way down to Bronze IV by the genius I encountered in my placement matches. Gems such as 2/3v5s, ADC Yi with an afk jungle, etc...
Indeed, I'm probably low enough for every game to be trolled as well now. At least sometimes it'd be on their side and I should have been high enough to get decent LP from those wins.
When you start ranked you are an unranked player and need to play placement matches to get your rank (basically a series of random matches against already ranked players used to determine where you belong).
So I picked up Eve and Sion cause they're the last of the 1350 IP champs I didn't already have and all I have to say is this: Eve is creepy, and damn does she hurt. I made a CC slow build for her just to screw around and it worked so well I'm curious how it'll perform in ranked.
Eve is indeed quite the female dog, if ya know what i mean . Sion can be quite annoying as well, due to the Shield, stun, boom, smack upside the die, kill tactic.
I picked up ranked for the first time this weekend, I managed to finish 6-4 in my placement so I'm sitting at a satisfying Silver V. I was so worried the last game I would end up .500 and be stuck in bronzeland with all the trolls.
LordofHats wrote: So I picked up Eve and Sion cause they're the last of the 1350 IP champs I didn't already have and all I have to say is this: Eve is creepy, and damn does she hurt. I made a CC slow build for her just to screw around and it worked so well I'm curious how it'll perform in ranked.
I've been learning AP Sion and he hits like a train. I'll probably try AD as well, but I like the idea of just catching and wrecking someone. Having a stun that can also deal 600+ magic damage is ridiculous.
YotsubaSnake wrote: I picked up ranked for the first time this weekend, I managed to finish 6-4 in my placement so I'm sitting at a satisfying Silver V. I was so worried the last game I would end up .500 and be stuck in bronzeland with all the trolls..
I'm one of those trolls! Seriously though, you did well to get out of that. Random teams are just crazy at the mo. I seem to win the games I play poorly in and when I'm on a roll the other 2 lanes just collapse. That's team games for you ...
YotsubaSnake wrote: I picked up ranked for the first time this weekend, I managed to finish 6-4 in my placement so I'm sitting at a satisfying Silver V. I was so worried the last game I would end up .500 and be stuck in bronzeland with all the trolls..
I'm one of those trolls! Seriously though, you did well to get out of that. Random teams are just crazy at the mo. I seem to win the games I play poorly in and when I'm on a roll the other 2 lanes just collapse. That's team games for you ...
My friends keep telling me "You just have to learn how to carry your team" and I guess that would be a huge step for me because every time I get fed, the rest of my team is terribad so I just get focused down immediately in teamfights so they can flatten my teammates with little effort whatsoever. I actually had a normal game recently as Fizz where I got fed to be somewhere around 7/1/2 in the first 20, and the other team had zero fear of me because they knew once I was dead they won the fight.
YotsubaSnake wrote: I picked up ranked for the first time this weekend, I managed to finish 6-4 in my placement so I'm sitting at a satisfying Silver V. I was so worried the last game I would end up .500 and be stuck in bronzeland with all the trolls..
I'm one of those trolls! Seriously though, you did well to get out of that. Random teams are just crazy at the mo. I seem to win the games I play poorly in and when I'm on a roll the other 2 lanes just collapse. That's team games for you ...
My friends keep telling me "You just have to learn how to carry your team" and I guess that would be a huge step for me because every time I get fed, the rest of my team is terribad so I just get focused down immediately in teamfights so they can flatten my teammates with little effort whatsoever. I actually had a normal game recently as Fizz where I got fed to be somewhere around 7/1/2 in the first 20, and the other team had zero fear of me because they knew once I was dead they won the fight.
Some champions aren't built to carry a team ... I lane well but don't get masses of kills but that's due to style/champion selection I suppose. You needed someone else to initiate the team fight for you with some CC, where as people look at you being fed and expect you to do it on your own.
I do wonder how some people got to level 30 without really learning the nuances of the game. I mean, how may matches have they played to get that far - 400?
Some champions aren't built to carry a team ... I lane well but don't get masses of kills but that's due to style/champion selection I suppose. You needed someone else to initiate the team fight for you with some CC, where as people look at you being fed and expect you to do it on your own.
I do wonder how some people got to level 30 without really learning the nuances of the game. I mean, how may matches have they played to get that far - 400?
Ikr i mean, how can you not know how to do it all? I could do it all by level 20.
YotsubaSnake wrote: I picked up ranked for the first time this weekend, I managed to finish 6-4 in my placement so I'm sitting at a satisfying Silver V. I was so worried the last game I would end up .500 and be stuck in bronzeland with all the trolls..
I'm one of those trolls! Seriously though, you did well to get out of that. Random teams are just crazy at the mo. I seem to win the games I play poorly in and when I'm on a roll the other 2 lanes just collapse. That's team games for you ...
My friends keep telling me "You just have to learn how to carry your team" and I guess that would be a huge step for me because every time I get fed, the rest of my team is terribad so I just get focused down immediately in teamfights so they can flatten my teammates with little effort whatsoever. I actually had a normal game recently as Fizz where I got fed to be somewhere around 7/1/2 in the first 20, and the other team had zero fear of me because they knew once I was dead they won the fight.
Some champions aren't built to carry a team ... I lane well but don't get masses of kills but that's due to style/champion selection I suppose. You needed someone else to initiate the team fight for you with some CC, where as people look at you being fed and expect you to do it on your own.
I do wonder how some people got to level 30 without really learning the nuances of the game. I mean, how may matches have they played to get that far - 400?
Apparently with xp boosts its possible to get to ranked with as little as thirty games, thirty!
Some champions aren't built to carry a team ... I lane well but don't get masses of kills but that's due to style/champion selection I suppose. You needed someone else to initiate the team fight for you with some CC, where as people look at you being fed and expect you to do it on your own.
I'm in the process of learning how to lane in top better. The major difference I have is that I cannot seem to find a way to farm without pushing hard. I realized that I need to figure out how after two games of getting the early CS, backing them up and watching them farm in safety and then playing a game where I was against Wukong and Akali top by myself as Vi and farmed ridiculously well under my own tower. It's just something I'll have to practice and get better with over time.
I do wonder how some people got to level 30 without really learning the nuances of the game. I mean, how may matches have they played to get that far - 400?
I wonder that too. I've been playing normals with a friend the past few weeks and he's about Lv21 now, but ever since he hit 15, we've been playing with lv20-25 summoners who just have no clue what in the heck they are doing. Now that my friend has T3 runes, he's tearing them all up something fierce.
Some champions aren't built to carry a team ... I lane well but don't get masses of kills but that's due to style/champion selection I suppose. You needed someone else to initiate the team fight for you with some CC, where as people look at you being fed and expect you to do it on your own.
I'm in the process of learning how to lane in top better. The major difference I have is that I cannot seem to find a way to farm without pushing hard. I realized that I need to figure out how after two games of getting the early CS, backing them up and watching them farm in safety and then playing a game where I was against Wukong and Akali top by myself as Vi and farmed ridiculously well under my own tower. It's just something I'll have to practice and get better with over time.
I do wonder how some people got to level 30 without really learning the nuances of the game. I mean, how may matches have they played to get that far - 400?
I wonder that too. I've been playing normals with a friend the past few weeks and he's about Lv21 now, but ever since he hit 15, we've been playing with lv20-25 summoners who just have no clue what in the heck they are doing. Now that my friend has T3 runes, he's tearing them all up something fierce.
People have no clue generally what to do between 5-30 summoner level. People pick what they please, choose wrong lane, don't know the meta, pick wrong summoner spells, pick bad items combo, don't last hit and don't play well in general. I pubsqashed as Kassadin between 18-30. From 6-18 I couldn't not play Kassadin mid because people who send an adc mid and I would struggle because Kassadin is the anti-mage. I played Talon 6-18.
I'm loving AP Teemo at the moment, but keep getting stupid team combos at the mo. Ending up having to play him mid which is often a struggle due to lack of range but held off a Fizz until a Nautilus decided to feed their team about 10 kills in 10 minutes. I was 7-2-4 and the game didn't get to 25 mins ...
Played Garen in last game as we had 3 ranged already and ended up bottom with Olaf as Teemo/Irelia went top! They fed the other team's Olaf - he had 11 kills in 18 mins and we resigned on 20 even though I'd just got frozen mallet, running 5/3/3 and really starting to roll. One death to a roaming Olaf (no SS) and 2 to Kennen/Ashe on a double stun, so stopping my Q.
What is it with people chosing lanes before they've even chose a champion? They type "mid" or "top" within about 10 seconds of joining and then don't select a champion until the 10 second timer kicks in and the team balance is then completely out.
I just had a very short game, where Sivir (me) and Heimerdinger rolled up the top lane, killing everything in our path. We reached the enemy base with just our starting equipment and ~4,000 gold apiece.
Just picked up Zed from this weeks sale and played a bot game with him to get the feel of his kit. This guy is going to take a ton of finesse to get just right.
Any Zed tips? Personally, I like him because I can either be Shredder or Stormshadow.
JohnnoM wrote: Please dont tell me you build Runaan's first on your Teemo, Ruminator?
Not a chance! Beserkers greaves then build into Nashor's - AP and attack speed in one item that can be built in nice easy 400-500 gold steps. Build from there is flexible, but if rolling large farms I will try to go for Rabaddon. Sheen into Trinity is also nice.
Tried Runaan's for fun but not a fan. You're just maxing on attack speed with no real damage applied - and split attacks is not that helfpul vs champions. With Nashors, greaves and runes I'm probably knocking on 1.4-1.5 speed anyway and if I hit trinity I'm into 1.6 territory. That's plenty for killing farm and AP Teemo is all about the extra damage on the first blind/toxin - not masses of hits ... oh, and super shrooms of course!
Ever since Season 3, I found that my way of building teemo got a bit easier, and also became the recommended build. I've always liked to build Teemo "on-hit" to capitalize for his speed, mobility and hard impact of that first dart only to GTFO. Makes you a laning menace and a mid-game terror.
Because of that, I usually start boots-pots into a fast malady, which gives the magic damage to hit as well as an MR reduction on your target to improve the actual damage of your poison ticks. From there, depending on the other team's comp I build tabi or mercs for defense and then flow into either a wit's end or a frozen mallet. This allows me to secure kills mid game.
It's the only build that can justify a runyan's on Teemo, and only towards the end game. If you find your team just has a weaker teamfight presence, grabing a runyan's really helps spread your effects around. Landry's + frozen just cuts through a beefy team by murdering 10% of their remaining health per hit and allows me to feel like the bloodrazor still exists. But only if you need that extra punch in the teamfights.
An interesting option (and controvertial amongst my playgroup) is instead of a malady start, rushing into a wriggle's. It gives you armor, attack, life steal and extra punch against minions to make you a farming machine as well as a ward to allow you to push harder while being able to see the ganks coming. You will own the top lane if you build that in the right matchup.
Apparently Quinn is being patched into the PBE at the moment. When it comes back up I'll try a couple of games and let you guys know how they feel.
For now though her skill set is leaked.
Quinn and Valor - [Passive] - Harrier Valor periodically marks enemies as Vulnerable. Quinn's first attack against Vulnerable targets will deal bonus physical damage.
Quinn and Valor - [Q] - Blinding Assault Valor flies in a line and strikes the first enemy in his path. He then attacks all nearby enemies to deal 70/110/150/190/230 (+) physical damage and blind them for 1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5 seconds.
As Valor: Performs the same attack at the current location.
Cost: 60/65/70/75/80 Mana
Range: 1025
Cooldown: 11/10/9/8/7
Quinn and Valor - [W] - Heightened Senses Passive: Attacking a Vulnerable target will increase Quinn's Attack Speed by 20/25/30/35/40% for 3/3/3/3/3 seconds.
Passive as Valor: Gains 40/50/60/70/80% Attack Speed.
Active: Valor reveals a large area nearby for 2/2/2/2/2 seconds.
Cost:
Range: 2100
Cooldown: 50/45/40/35/30
Quinn and Valor - [E] - Vault Quinn dashes to an enemy, dealing 40/70/100/130/160 (+) physical damage and slowing the target's Movement Speed by 70/70/70/70/70% (this effect diminishes over 2/2/2/2/2 seconds). Upon reaching the target, she leaps off and lands near her maximum attack range from it. Valor will immediately mark this enemy as Vulnerable.
As Valor: Performs the same attack but does not mark or leap off the target.
Cost: 50/50/50/50/50 Mana
Range: 750
Cooldown: 12/11/10/9/8
Quinn and Valor - [R] - Tag Team First Cast: Valor replaces Quinn on the battlefield as a mobile melee attacker for 20/20/20 seconds. Valor gains +80/80/80% Movement Speed, decreased gradually to +20/20/20% when in combat.
Second Cast: Quinn returns to perform Skystrike, dealing from 130/185/240 (+) to 260/370/480 (+) physical damage to all enemies in a large area, increasing based on how much health they are missing.
If Skystrike has not been cast before this ability ends, it will be cast automatically.
Cass is a very hard champion to play properly. On the one hand, she has probably one of the easiest times winning her lane of any champion. Go up, plant a dot on the ground to kill the minion lines to get farm and naturally your own lines will end up pushing down the opposing tower.
However, her abilities take skill to properly land as they are two aoes, a targeted spell, and a cone. How well you can use her ult really determines how well you play her which can be hard. It's basically a super Sona ult that stuns anyone facing Cass but only slows them if their not. Getting that stun off is a team fight winner but if you can't get it off than Cass is just not as useful as other AP carries especially since she has no escapes and is very immobile.
I don't like her but that's just because shes not my cup of snake venom.
Gitzbitah wrote: Sounds like Quinn is a mid range ADC who uses her ult to secure kills. I really like the harrier idea.
I've played Cass on a few free weeks, can't say I ever much cared for her. She's a quirky mostly dot mage who also wants to burst you at close range.
If she gets fed early in lane she can stack AP items and really steam-roll for a while. She does though tail off pretty hard late game, so needs to make that advantage count hard. Tend to play against rather than with and late game problems is because she needs to get close enough for champs to dive in/stun her and then can't escape.
Told the amu on my team to build some hp items as we needed a tank but he got all butt hurt and started complaining about every little mistake I made or suggesting unnecessary items he wouldn't fething shut up, despite winning the match as pantheon with a score of14/4/12. I don't even
know why he/she started being so condescending because all I was doing was pointing out that we need someone with lots of hp to take the hits for the team.
Cant Panth tank? In which case, I would have just saved myself the hassle and gone tank myself.
Also, methinks that my best position (though i can play all of them) is jungle. I love Olaf jungle, hes a beast.
JohnnoM wrote: Cant Panth tank? In which case, I would have just saved myself the hassle and gone tank myself.
Also, methinks that my best position (though i can play all of them) is jungle. I love Olaf jungle, hes a beast.
Well it's always good to get a warmogs on pant that way he can take some hits my build is Ionian boots of Lucidity, Last Whisper, Blood Thirster, Atmas Impaler, Warmogs Armour and Maw of Malmortus.
JohnnoM wrote: Cant Panth tank? In which case, I would have just saved myself the hassle and gone tank myself.
Also, methinks that my best position (though i can play all of them) is jungle. I love Olaf jungle, hes a beast.
Well it's always good to get a warmogs on pant that way he can take some hits my build is Ionian boots of Lucidity, Last Whisper, Blood Thirster, Atmas Impaler, Warmogs Armour and Maw of Malmortus.
My Olaf build is somewhat similiar. The best way to describe it would be a tank, thats also a bruiser.
Cheesecat wrote: Told the amu on my team to build some hp items as we needed a tank but he got all butt hurt and started complaining about every little mistake I made or suggesting unnecessary items he wouldn't fething shut up, despite winning the match as pantheon with a score of14/4/12. I don't even
know why he/she started being so condescending because all I was doing was pointing out that we need someone with lots of hp to take the hits for the team.
I never understood why people do not play Amumu as a tank. He is an incredible initiator, but if you go AP he can be burned down fast and lose out on all that % Health damage he does with his tears.
JohnnoM wrote: Cant Panth tank? In which case, I would have just saved myself the hassle and gone tank myself.
Also, methinks that my best position (though i can play all of them) is jungle. I love Olaf jungle, hes a beast.
Well it's always good to get a warmogs on pant that way he can take some hits my build is Ionian boots of Lucidity, Last Whisper, Blood Thirster, Atmas Impaler, Warmogs Armour and Maw of Malmortus.
My Olaf build is somewhat similiar. The best way to describe it would be a tank, thats also a bruiser.
I get health items for Olaf except my Altma's and berserker grieves.
JohnnoM wrote: Cant Panth tank? In which case, I would have just saved myself the hassle and gone tank myself.
Also, methinks that my best position (though i can play all of them) is jungle. I love Olaf jungle, hes a beast.
Well it's always good to get a warmogs on pant that way he can take some hits my build is Ionian boots of Lucidity, Last Whisper, Blood Thirster, Atmas Impaler, Warmogs Armour and Maw of Malmortus.
My Olaf build is somewhat similiar. The best way to describe it would be a tank, thats also a bruiser.
I get health items for Olaf except my Altma's and berserker grieves.
So do I really. Frozen Mallet, Shurelyas, Berserkers, Warmogs, Atmas, and most of the time GA.
Just had my first good game with Katarina. I was on Twisted Treeline with two newbies, so I had to do most of the heavy lifting on both lanes. Ended up with nineteen kills and four deaths.
Some people just assume supports get those for free and the enemy does not counter-ward either. Worst of all, the very same people I described above are those playing adc having trouble last-hitting. With a Sona around -_-
My favorite is when three people on the other team have oracles, or the enemy support actually has the money to spread visions everywhere and my team is all "/all this taric no wards" and I'm like "/all this taric doesn't give your team free g report me."
LordofHats wrote: My favorite is when three people on the other team have oracles, or the enemy support actually has the money to spread visions everywhere and my team is all "/all this taric no wards" and I'm like "/all this taric doesn't give your team free g report me."
Oh I completely agree. I've gotten to the point where I just ignore those people because they don't understand. The standard rebuttal should be that if they're not happy with your warding they can buy wards themselves. My favorite is when they have you pushed up against your base and then yell at you because drag/baron isn't warded. SURE let me go wander out there, away from safety just to place that ward. I want you to yell at me for dying every time I try (then watch the ward get popped)
To be honest, though, the jungler at least should be warding as well. I know I buy wards when I mid because I have such easy access to important river access ways that vision of people traveling through is important.
Well anyone who watches tournament play knows that everyone on the team supplies the wards. The support certainly carries a lot of that burden for the team, but it's extremely short sighted and selfish to think that the support can by themselves provide that need for their team.
What bothers me the most, however, is not that these people offend me. I just report them anyways. My main grasp is that people with such an attitude make other players turn away from playing support. Their flame / hate discourages others to play support and that's the real problem.
What bothers me the most, however, is not that these people offend me. I just report them anyways. My main grasp is that people with such an attitude make other players turn away from playing support. Their flame / hate discourages others to play support and that's the real problem.
I went 0-4-12 as support and post game chat was "noob - look at your score". I was playing support Lulu and we won the game ... Please please let me start playing with sensible people, but 3/4 games this weekend I ended up reporting a team player for AFK so no real improvement for me. There's tto many selfish stat chasers in the game at the mo and little concept of actual team play.
0-4-12? They should be pleased you only died four times. When I play support I go sacrificial lamb all the time to feed the carries. I usually have around 10 deaths by the end of a game even a good one.
What I really, really love though are the people who fail to understand basic math. Someone who has gone 0-20-0 has fed FAR less than someone who goes 10-10-0. Within 5 straight deaths, your worth less than 100g. After 10 your worth 15. Someone who has 10 kills but 10 deaths is giving up 300g every time they die.
I was playing a game (ranked) where this Rengar on the other team was constantly complaining about the Jarvan who was his jungle. The Jarvan was something like 0-12-something low. Now, Jarvan was bad. Really bad. But the Rengar was 19-17. And he was complaining about Jarvan feeding and I was just sitting there thinking that he was a total idiot who jumped in going kill for kill feeding my team a near constant good income of 300g kills while that Jarvan had long been worth so little money we didn't even bother with the guy. Whose the real feeder?
LordofHats wrote: What I really, really love though are the people who fail to understand basic math. Someone who has gone 0-20-0 has fed FAR less than someone who goes 10-10-0. Within 5 straight deaths, your worth less than 100g. After 10 your worth 15. Someone who has 10 kills but 10 deaths is giving up 300g every time they die.
I was playing a game (ranked) where this Rengar on the other team was constantly complaining about the Jarvan who was his jungle. The Jarvan was something like 0-12-something low. Now, Jarvan was bad. Really bad. But the Rengar was 19-17. And he was complaining about Jarvan feeding and I was just sitting there thinking that he was a total idiot who jumped in going kill for kill feeding my team a near constant good income of 300g kills while that Jarvan had long been worth so little money we didn't even bother with the guy. Whose the real feeder?
Jarvan. You're forgetting that not only is dying bad, but that making the enemy die is good. Otherwise, the winning strategy would be to just sit in your base and wait - sure, you wouldn't be doing anything to hinder the enemy, but you wouldn't be "feeding", right?
I'm merely commenting on the way people invoke the term. Rengar had been dead for far more time than Jarvan, but Jarvan wasn't costing his team the game as badly as he was. And if we're going to qualify feeding as giving the enemy team money to get items, then Rengar gave far more. I'm not saying dying 12 times and achieving nothing is a good thing. Just that someone whose 19-17 hardly has grounds to complain. Sure they got kills but all they did was kill die kill die kill die, which isn't really helpful either when nothing comes out of it. Then they complain about some other guy who looks like they're doing worse, and profit.
Lesson: Jumping into the entire enemy team to get a kill and dying in the process when the rest of your team is dead or on the other side of the map, is not a smart idea.
Speaking of supports ... gave Thresh a try while he was free, and before I knew it I've got Deep Terror Thresh and figuring out how to properly support-tank Not doing a great job so far, but getting there? And yep was harassed about warding in my first PVP
Still undecided on Tresh. Seen a lot of people picking him and going for ad, but most of them horribly failed at it. His chain seems to be his saving grace, but overall, if he misses the chain, I don't see him being a major threat. Efficient warding (hah, there we go again!) hard-counters the hook. He looks cool though.
Man, I wish they'd release a cool Sona skin. Seriously thought about buying one, but they look terrible :/
...and seriously, Riot, lay off that Asian crap. I don't want all of my heroes to be kids with guns.
I've found that jungle nas is probably the most op char ever. Start blue, clear jungle in 4 mins, you get between 50-70 on your q immediately, and by 20 mins you'll easily have 300 on it with 4-5 gank attempts accounted for. By 40 mins you should have 700 on your q and by 60 easily over 1k = meaning you 1 hit any adc and likely 2 shot their tanks. There isn't much the other team can do to stop you either.
My first thought when I tried Thresh was that AD could be cool The chain is cool - Blitz's is better - but I've been pushing the lantern, for all the utility stuff it can do (soul gathering, vision, shield). Frustrating all the people that either don't know how it works or don't want to use it - yesterday had a Teemo that kept getting caught out but wouldn't zip himself over to me
Sigvatr wrote: Man, I wish they'd release a cool Sona skin. Seriously thought about buying one, but they look terrible :/
They only updated her classic art, not skin too ala Annie & Nida, right? Pentakill / Arcade are ok by me though
Sigvatr wrote: Still undecided on Tresh. Seen a lot of people picking him and going for ad, but most of them horribly failed at it. His chain seems to be his saving grace, but overall, if he misses the chain, I don't see him being a major threat. Efficient warding (hah, there we go again!) hard-counters the hook. He looks cool though.
I find thresh to a good CC support in the same lines as Blitz, Leona and Taric. If you do grab, when they get close enough you flay backwards to throw them even farther away from safety so your ADC can absolutely trash them. His range and AA responsiveness is pretty good, I'd definitely take him again in the future as a support. Also, in team fights you can finish that combo with an ult, slowing anyone who tries to peel your team off whoever you just grabbed (most likely their ADC)
JohnnoM wrote: IMHO Thresh is a better Solo-top than tanky support.
THis. The funny thing about Thresh is that in the support role he's just a worse Blitzcrank. If you can grab BLitz, theres no need for Thresh and even if you can't grab Blitz Taric or Leona will most of the time be better choices baring specific matchups.
You dont build Thresh AD though. Solo top thresh build is On-hit/AS. If you dont know what that means it means stuff like Frozen Mallet, Malady, Wits End etc that have passive that activates when you land a basic attack, and then attack speed to increase the rate of those On-hit affects.
Good example build for Solo Top Thresh:
Start Crystaline Flask plus 4 pots (Which ones depend on your playstyle and opponent, i usually go 3 health 1 mana.)
Rush Phage
Boots
Giants Belt
Finish FM
Berserker Greaves
Malady/Wits End/ other on hit items.
Buy another on-hit item (E.g now you have Frozen Mallet, Malady and Wits End.)
Runaan's Hurricane, Thresh is ranged, so it works for him, get attack speed boost.
Finish off a counter item e.g.
Thornmail
Banshees
Warmogs
Guardian Angel
DemetriDominov wrote: I've found that jungle nas is probably the most op char ever. Start blue, clear jungle in 4 mins, you get between 50-70 on your q immediately, and by 20 mins you'll easily have 300 on it with 4-5 gank attempts accounted for. By 40 mins you should have 700 on your q and by 60 easily over 1k = meaning you 1 hit any adc and likely 2 shot their tanks. There isn't much the other team can do to stop you either.
Now this I want to try. I've tried Nassus a few times and generally get kited to death on top, a jungler though might just be the trick.
Nasus top is very easily countered by a boat load of champs; Darius, Garen, Riven, Singed, Yorick, aka deny the farm! DENY! Pretty much anyone who can bully Nasus around in early game and keep him from farming well (especially Rumble, Darius, and Garen). But in the jungle it's much much tricker to stop him from building his stacks (which is why I'm so happy he's been buffed as Nasus was my first main). He is easy prey for certain junglers who can run around his jungle with free reign, but that's only a few champs like Shaco and Kha'Zix.
LordofHats wrote: Nasus top is very easily countered by a boat load of champs; Darius, Garen, Riven, Singed, Yorick, aka deny the farm! DENY! Pretty much anyone who can bully Nasus around in early game and keep him from farming well (especially Rumble, Darius, and Garen). But in the jungle it's much much tricker to stop him from building his stacks (which is why I'm so happy he's been buffed as Nasus was my first main). He is easy prey for certain junglers who can run around his jungle with free reign, but that's only a few champs like Shaco and Kha'Zix.
Thats interesting, because whenever I've played Nasus top I've been the one to dominate, regardless of my oppponent. Maybe its because I know when to dodge, when to let them give you a poke in exchange for a q stack etc.
Honestly my guess is simply that Nasus is not played too much so people aren't used to fighting him as much as others (like the only thing that makes the dreaded AP Karma top work as amazingly well as it does). Nasus is extremely easy to bully around pre-6.
LordofHats wrote: Honestly my guess is simply that Nasus is not played too much so people aren't used to fighting him as much as others (like the only thing that makes the dreaded AP Karma top work as amazingly well as it does). Nasus is extremely easy to bully around pre-6.
There is a massive lack of understanding about what he does. Tried jungle Nassus last night, but players kept insisting on helping too much on the minions so only getting 1 Q rather than 2 or 3. Then, when I hit lane run over to last hit the minions with their AOE ability. I thought it was the other team who was supposed to deny Nasus his last hits ...
Despite that, even with his ultimate on cool down, I was outnumbered and still hitting hard/escaping repeatedly although kills were down. Some scope there with team mates who get what I'm trying to do.
Jungle Nasus you say? I played a game with Nasus top the other day and did plain awful against a Garren who just completely ran roughshod over me. It was bad. Really bad.
But Jungle Nasus you say? Might have to break from Jungling Nunu and give that a try. Any advice? Masteries/Runes/Build order?
When I run Nasus in the jungle I use Move speed quints, armor (w/e the yellow ones are called), and attack speed marks. Blue is up to personal preference. I use magic resist per level runes.
My build (not in order)
Mercury Treads (For CC light teams I use speed boots)
Spirit of the Ancient Golem
Randuin's Omen
Banshee's Veil
Iron Locket of the Solari
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EDIT: I've actually wanted to use a Lian Torment for ages just to see what happens. Nasus' E and his R will trigger it and I imagine running into the enemy team hitting the ultimate and just q'ing down the targets as I go would result in some heavy damage especially since I can get that dot running on every member of the enemy team easily.
Watch out for Vayne. Never use Nasus in a game with a Vayne.
I unlocked Orianna today, and have found a strategy that seems to work rather well. I lane with a likely-looking brawler and ignore the Command: Attack ability entirely. I get to keep a low profile while still contributing, due to all my heaviest abilities originate from the tank, and have a ball delivery system that automatically runs at things I want to kill. The brawler gets 30 armour and magic resistance, a steady stream of temporary hit points and two extra AoE crowd control abilities to keep enemies in melee range.
That's how Ori support works, her Q is pretty much just for positioning the slow and for scouting. Her autos let her still do some damage as well with that passive.
Machete to spirit stone to Soul of the Lizard Elder if you want dmg quickly or else the Golem Eldar for durability.
Boots of lvl 3 speed + alacrity (+1 to movement)
Shyruila's Reverie
Infinity Edge
Atamas
Black Cleaver or Iceborne Gauntlets, or Mercial Simitar depending on other team comp.
Strategy: If you take teleport, become a tele-trooper and warp in right on top of your teamate's wards for first blood and other times you want to gank. This is especially effective early game and cannot easily be countered if you communicate with your team.
Farm like crazy, CDR is your best friend as nas, at max, it should bring your q down to about 2 secs and your wither to an almost constant effect. The lizard eldar item triggers off of your basic attacks, your q, your e and even your ult and is only more devastating on Teemo and Hec.
Unless the other team is really squishy, build defensively first, then offensively. Remember, you are a endgame powerhouse, rushing that mantra is the fastest way to lose as nas.
Once you have your boots (which should be upgraded immediately), it will serve as your mark of reference to your power level - if you can get above 200 q by 20min you re doing alright, but you should be aiming to get your q up to 300 by that time because if you can you can carry your team.
Shyriuilas and wither will be your best friend - use it as much as possible.
Once you have IE with the above masteries and runes, you will virtually be unstoppable. My nas at 25min can crit for over 2k dmg on low armored champions, meaning that ADC's are toast if you can close the gap between yourself and them. Getting more crit chance will help enormously, but survivability is your best hope of winning because you are virtually assured to kill just about anyone in about 3 hits after 40mins of farming (especially with teleport, which will make you more capable of farming and assisting teamfights).
The good thing about nas is that apart from shyurila's and IE, he's actually quite flexible for items. He needs hp no matter what, and if you can manage to get more crit chance and CDR your crits will be reaching the 3k mark by 45mins and you can easily solo baron and every tower ever after 50 mins of good farming.
Edit: Sorry for the spelling, I don't usually memorize fantasy names.
Yeah I've been playing for a really long time, and I get some serious gratification when I see people literally disappear before nas. When you one hit someone their hp bar vanishes and they go straight into the death animation. I played nas for 140mins against bot saroka because I wanted to see if I could 1 hit baron. After 1:30 mins, the creeps broke into my base and I could 1hit the dragon and 2 shot turrets. If I had another 30mins I could have easily 2 shot baron ... but it would have been a 2 hour game.
I'm assuming you mean 200 -300 damage in 20 mins with items and not before ... or I've got some serious catching up to do. Then again I'm playing at low skill levels and people keep trying to "help" by taking farm off me when I do hit lane. Nasus being an unusual choice can work both ways it appears!!
Starting playing again and forgot how bad the community is.
Good thing i find it amusing.
Had a game where i got cursed out for playing Lux without Exhaust.
Then The same for not buying Wards to start with.
(Yes i buy wards just not first buy)
He dies 3x times in bot lane and says its because i didnt have exhaust and no wards.. lol?
Gota love Randoms.
Did end up with 16/0/11-18? the last game with Lux.
Spyder68 wrote: Starting playing again and forgot how bad the community is.
Good thing i find it amusing.
Had a game where i got cursed out for playing Lux without Exhaust.
Then The same for not buying Wards to start with.
(Yes i buy wards just not first buy)
He dies 3x times in bot lane and says its because i didnt have exhaust and no wards.. lol?
Gota love Randoms.
Did end up with 16/0/11-18? the last game with Lux.
The early ward is just for the early ganks and to help fight counter jungling, if you guys are careful you don't need it like you said. Generally you want at least some sight on that river at about 4-4:30 though. Depends on the enemy jungle. If it's something like Lee Sin you probably want it. But if it's Amumu, you have the time to buy it later.
Getting cheesed off with playing support this week. Why do people think the only player who should buy wards is support? Also, the ADC who just sits on the tower then flames me for not warding - how can you ward when they are not clearing the waves and pushing enemy back so I can actually reach the river. I am also not a shield for players with signficantly higher HP to hide behind.
Then I got flamed and told I was a bad support as I hadn't got any kills ... then the Caitlyn who complains about me stealing their farm when the minions are on the tower and they're still at the fountain!!!
I really hate it when I shoot the minions down to low health so the ADC can one-shot them and they carry on auto-attacking a full health minion and lose the last hits.
Oh, and the real "pro" Caitlyn player who criticised me for buying AP items on Soraka. I mean, what else is she supposed to buy? A bloodthirster?
This is why I'm in the middle of a 2-3 week support break. I've been doing that since season one. It's time to not be the "ward bitch" for a bit.
Given a surge in popularity in the role thanks to some new items and having to sometimes fight for the role with the type of support than thinks we just afk in the bush, this break is kind of needed.
ruminator wrote: Getting cheesed off with playing support this week. Why do people think the only player who should buy wards is support? Also, the ADC who just sits on the tower then flames me for not warding - how can you ward when they are not clearing the waves and pushing enemy back so I can actually reach the river. I am also not a shield for players with signficantly higher HP to hide behind.
Then I got flamed and told I was a bad support as I hadn't got any kills ... then the Caitlyn who complains about me stealing their farm when the minions are on the tower and they're still at the fountain!!!
I really hate it when I shoot the minions down to low health so the ADC can one-shot them and they carry on auto-attacking a full health minion and lose the last hits.
Oh, and the real "pro" Caitlyn player who criticised me for buying AP items on Soraka. I mean, what else is she supposed to buy? A bloodthirster?
Just stick with it. Once you reach higher levels of play, only the real idiots complain about that kind of stuff. Also, it's rare to find someone who actually likes supporting. Don't let some children take that away from you.
I love supporting but hate how my ADCs are usually poor. I get a good ADC? I'll feed them two doubles, two triples and have started pinging their inhibitor turret within 15 minutes. Most likely? I'll set up a kill and they'll ignore it just to go in a few seconds later when I can't help them and get killed themselves. Quite frustrating to be honest.
So this is tangentially related to support angst ...
I like playing champs that are less popular, so I finally got over my dislike of all his skins and picked up Trundle. At this rate I've never lost a match (even if many of those were AI games ), and in fact every game is a steamroll, with me consistently paired up with a Cait, who gets fed and rocks face. Which suggests I'm doing something right? Even if my last game was top with Nida, which mostly involved her missing spears and bitching about how useless I am / how much better Nami was down in bot once she switched down
Anyway here's the thing: Trundle works, and I'm tentatively excited to play more PvP to see how well he works live ... but I'm afraid I'm bored playing him, and I generally enjoy supporting more than any other role
I like playing champs that are less popular, so I finally got over my dislike of all his skins and picked up Trundle. At this rate I've never lost a match (even if many of those were AI games ), and in fact every game is a steamroll, with me consistently paired up with a Cait, who gets fed and rocks face. Which suggests I'm doing something right? Even if my last game was top with Nida, which mostly involved her missing spears and bitching about how useless I am / how much better Nami was down in bot once she switched down
Anyway here's the thing: Trundle works, and I'm tentatively excited to play more PvP to see how well he works live ... but I'm afraid I'm bored playing him, and I generally enjoy supporting more than any other role
- Salvage
Trundle is interesting as a support choice becuase of his AOE slow/path blocker. Makes for a great kill setup with a decent ADC. I can see that working, though I probably would not do it myself.
You'll frequently get an ADC as support that will claim you are useless when, infact, it's mostly you and them on different pages when it comes to playing the game. You two will see the game differently and they'll interpret that as a lack of skill on your part because they're so godly in their own minds you have to be an inferior player. It takes a while to get used to that but it happens frequently enough you'll grow thick enough skin to ignore it (also, the ignore button is handy)
I play support tanks all of the time, makes me feel like a good team mate when my carry gets fed. Favorite to play though has to be Volibear. Also, never play with anyone but friends, or you'll have a terrible League experience.Solo queue was probably put on this Earth by Satan himself.
Sona is just awesome. Only playing her and she just got everything. High damage, heal, slow, AoE stun. Mej is a staple on her. I would even pay for a cool skin.
I've gotten to the point where I feel that solo queue is a place where I expect ragehards and idiots and I just try my best. I expect to get beat down when I mess up and not recognized when I do well so I just take it on myself to set goals and do what I can for the team. I can't get upset when my teammates are acting like children so I just laugh at them and how silly they are at raging over a video game and move onto the next one. The only reason why I even play solo queue is because I've gotten to a point where normals are much easier and don't really challenge me anymore so the only way I can seem to improve is by grinding solo queue.
On the note of learning new champions, since about a month ago, I've finished all of my runes that I'll really ever need for the time being I've just been slowly buying all the champs with IP. Working my way down the list, trying them out to see if I like them and just moving on. I've just picked up Brand, he's quite alright for a combo mage but much to squishy for the range that he normally plays at. I feel much more comfortable with my mainstay AP champ of Ziggs because of the range/squishiness ratio. I do feel that I like Brand better than Ahri though, she's quick like an assassin but just doesn't seem to hit as hard as one, leading to some very awkward dives and escapes because I suddenly just realized I was in a terrible spot.
Agree. I just pick Sona, go AP and hope for the best. Once you realize that solo queue is purely based on luck, you get pretty chilled about losing. You just report anyone who flames etc. and move on.
Gitzbitah wrote: New Karma and Blobula the fanservice incoming soon- it is a good time to play league.
I am warily psyched about the Karma redo. I don't know why, but I love Karma. Even without a real ultimate, she's just so versatile and fun to play. She's easily one of the worst support in the game though. :( Looking forward to see what they do with her.
I think I literally just played one of the easiest games of LoL ever... match ended in 22 minutes with my team up 30 kills, all towers in tact, and only three deaths. I'd swear I was playing against bots, but even bots don't build Tear of the Goddess on SHEN. I don't know if they were trolling or just that bad XD
Spent the weekend learning Thresh. My enthusiasm for support is quickly returning .. something to do while the ADC farms by collecting souls and all 4 abilities are really useful. Plenty still to learn as he does appear to have lets of subtle tactics - I'm enjoying lanterning the tower so the team can dive in a get the shield while knocking the tower down. The grab is awesome as well and unlike blitzcrank no one seems to be totally paranoid about it ...
Sigvatr wrote: The bad thing about Thresh is that more often than not, your teammates have no idea what to do and don't click the lantern, then die, then blame you.
So true. I can't tell you how many times I've typed out "click the lantern you fool" into chat.
And for those who play support in need of a pick me up!
I've slowly grown to playing pretty much only support these days. Everyone was always fighting for the "positions of glory" I like to call them because they get kills and are visually represented by stats on the board. Nobody really seems to notice the support until the game has ended and I have more assists than anyone else has kills....or two seconds after your wards on the other side of the map time out they'll fuss at you for not warding enough even though you're currently trapped up next to your base.
My two favorites, by far, are Nami and Taric. I keep trying to get better as Lulu but she has such a unique kit that most ADCs don't know how to take advantage of what I'm doing like the CC that my main two put out. I've gotten pretty decent as Blitz too, but he's always banned so I guess the skill stays in my back pocket for the off chance that I get him in a ranked game.
My only complaint is that I'll throw out CC abilities to get my team out of a potentially bad engage and they seem to think "TARIC STUNNED SOMEONE! CHARGE!" and then two people die a very quick death. It baffles me when I meet someone who doesn't understand the idea of a bad engage and that stuns aren't only for going into fights. My favorite thing to do though is to save junglers from invades gone bad (invading blue side's red) as Nami. Heal+speed boost on my jungler, which damages the enemy and follows up with a bubble for my jungler to get away. Nami is definitely the queen of saves.
Meh, I don't seem to get Lulu. Doesn't deal a threatening amount of damage, its (?) shield doesn't shield a lot, the slow is easy to dodge...I don't see it being a great choice tbh.
Sigvatr wrote: Meh, I don't seem to get Lulu. Doesn't deal a threatening amount of damage, its (?) shield doesn't shield a lot, the slow is easy to dodge...I don't see it being a great choice tbh.
The big thing for lulu is that she can secure line of sight on a target, and her ult can secure double kills in bot lane (and in team fights its almost as good as malph's ult). Her passive also makes for strong aggressive harassment against certain pairings.
Sigvatr wrote: Meh, I don't seem to get Lulu. Doesn't deal a threatening amount of damage, its (?) shield doesn't shield a lot, the slow is easy to dodge...I don't see it being a great choice tbh.
The big thing for lulu is that she can secure line of sight on a target, and her ult can secure double kills in bot lane (and in team fights its almost as good as malph's ult). Her passive also makes for strong aggressive harassment against certain pairings.
She can also be built quite aggressive and hit really hard with her "Glitterlance" as a poke in lane, making people have to think twice when you can essentially double your reach with "Help, Pix!" I've seen some ridiculous plays come out of that combo. "Whimsy" doubles as an exaust style skill (though not for long) she can just bully down someone out of place really well. The problem is that because her kit is so a-typical most people don't know how to work with it and it makes it hard for me to set up kills for my ADC. Also, the lack of sustain hurts her hard making the lane hard to hold against another aggressive type pre-6. Post 6, though, the ultimate turns teamfights like nobody's business.
Glitterlance can shoot through minions and it's range works as a great poke. Link with a decent ADC and the effective silence and slow you have means that you are pretty unasailable until the jungler comes down. Speed boost then allows you to run out of danger instead of silence on the enemy champion and then continue with glitter glance with a fantasticly low cool down. If I get a decent ADC then I can poke while shredding health off minions and allowing my ADC to clean up on last kills while keeping their ADC off them. Get a poor partner and, as with Soraka, you are extremely squishy and susceptible to early kills.
Due to squishiness, if I'm unsure of the skill of my ADC I will go kayle or Thresh as they are a little more robust.
The thing is, I don't see any reason to pick him over Sona. Sona just has everything. She surpasses his poking by far with her Q, she has a way better sustain, a reliable slow + ms buff and a AoE stun with high damage. She's like the uber supporter. Get Lichbane on Sona and watch her damage...it's ridiculous!
Sigvatr wrote: The thing is, I don't see any reason to pick him over Sona. Sona just has everything. She surpasses his poking by far with her Q, she has a way better sustain, a reliable slow + ms buff and a AoE stun with high damage. She's like the uber supporter. Get Lichbane on Sona and watch her damage...it's ridiculous!
Lulu? Him? Not sure about that - looks like a girl to me. If other team already takes Sona or you want a more aggressive support then why not?
Sigvatr wrote: The thing is, I don't see any reason to pick him over Sona. Sona just has everything. She surpasses his poking by far with her Q, she has a way better sustain, a reliable slow + ms buff and a AoE stun with high damage. She's like the uber supporter. Get Lichbane on Sona and watch her damage...it's ridiculous!
Lulu? Him? Not sure about that - looks like a girl to me. If other team already takes Sona or you want a more aggressive support then why not?
In case Sona isn't available, I'd go for Taric. Lulu simply has no sustain while both Sona and Taric can hold the line (pun) forever. Lulu might be fine, I'd be interested in comp input on this...but then again, I'm too lazy to search )
Sigvatr wrote: The thing is, I don't see any reason to pick him over Sona. Sona just has everything. She surpasses his poking by far with her Q, she has a way better sustain, a reliable slow + ms buff and a AoE stun with high damage. She's like the uber supporter. Get Lichbane on Sona and watch her damage...it's ridiculous!
Lulu? Him? Not sure about that - looks like a girl to me. If other team already takes Sona or you want a more aggressive support then why not?
In case Sona isn't available, I'd go for Taric. Lulu simply has no sustain while both Sona and Taric can hold the line (pun) forever. Lulu might be fine, I'd be interested in comp input on this...but then again, I'm too lazy to search )
It definitely varies on many factors, but mostly surrounding by the goals of the duo in lane. Do they want to be aggressive and bully the other two out? If so, Taric/Sona aren't the best at that. They can do it, but that is definitely more suited for supports that set up situations like Leona, Lulu and Blitz. If you take a Lulu support, you better be ready to just absolutely poke and bully the opposition into submission. If you play too passive, they'll walk all over you due to the lack of sustain. But in order to do this, you have to have an aggressive, early game ADC as well. Caitlin does so well with Sona and Taric because what they do best is sustain and protect their ADC from trouble, occasionally setting up kills when the others are out of position. Where as Miss Fortune can do so well with lulu because of how aggressive she can be in lane.
Lulu brings versatility and variety of range to the table, 2 things Sona absolutely does not. You know that if you're outside Sona's AA range, she can't do a thing to you. If you catch her in a bush, she's going to stun or slow you, and you'll probably still get her before she makes it back to the turret.
Lulu can haste her partner while slowing her enemy- almost insuring heavy dmg, if not a recall or kill early game. Her shield will boost her carries dmg while providing her with a place to cast her spells from. She can also shield a minion to poke with glitterlance just about anywhere in the lane.
A cunning and experienced Lulu player is totally unpredictable, augmenting her own team or debuffing the enemy team as the situation and her own Whimsy demands.True, she does not bring sustain to the table, and her ult is nowhere near as powerful as Sona's. Other than Amumu, whose is? The more you play her, the more solutions you will see for any given situation.
Sona easily surpasses Lulu's poking - her Q deals a lot of damage at normal range with a low cd and its damage is further increased by Power Chord. Plus you can't dodge it.
Lulu can extend the range of her attacks with E and Q, far out ranging Sona. Poke is all about range. Sona's Q easily puts her in range of most other ranged attacks in the game leaving her likely to get caught in a poke fight. Sona's role in poke fights isn't to poke it's to heal people who get poked.
Lulu's Q without her E still outranges that I'll add. Poke isn't just about damage, and even then as a support, Lulu is likely to out damage Sona over a game. Her autoattacks do more because of her passive, and while Sona only has 1 offensive ability, Lulu has 2.
Sona works better in a general push team strategy because of her sustain. Lulu on the other hand works better in more aggressive team compositions focused on acing the enemy team opposed to pushing them down (Lulu can of herself force an engagement, and pull a team out of one, something Sona has a harder time doing).
Hmmm I guess I'll give Lulu a try if one day, I get enough IP for her then. So in like, a few months? -_-
I don't like, though, that you aren't as versatile as e.g. with Sona and for solo q, Sona is far superior due to her carry potential and the ability to get so many assists due to her W/E long range.
OH by all means, if you are not convinced don't buy her! I did just because she was a Xypherous champion, and I didn't play her outside of Dominion for months. Until you start to lose faith in Sona, usually as your ELO improves and people start capitalizing on her squishyness and predictability, Lulu won't be a good purchase. Hold on until you can run her as a trial.
A cheap, and awesome alternative to Sona is Soraka. For that matter, Janna is a pretty close analogue to Lulu, and she isn't 6300.
Soraka is a great champ for rising through the rankings. Easy to play, powerful, and no one in lower tiers seems to know how to deal with her. In all fairness, her infuse really shouldn't be free anymore, but it still is so abuse the **** out of it.
Her Lulu and perhaps Leona/Taric really for rising, it depends on the carry you're with as well. As for Leona/Taric, you'll probably want a duo instead.
I'd say jump on the Janna train and actually get good, but then I used to play Janna quite a lot. Still do, just not as much as I'd like to.
Oh and not really seen too much, but if you can figure out Karma she's actually decent. But, with the rework coming up it might just be worth picking her up for the free skin and then letting her sit for a bit. There's a few others on that list as well.
Another important thing I should mention is that you shouldn't actually try to play a proper support at the lower levels. It's kind of like a different game almost. What you're after is more damage and utility instead of just plain utility.
LordofHats wrote: Soraka is a great champ for rising through the rankings. Easy to play, powerful, and no one in lower tiers seems to know how to deal with her. In all fairness, her infuse really shouldn't be free anymore, but it still is so abuse the **** out of it.
At low ranks I get so much hate if I try picking Soraka. I think she's a great support, but often not worth the flaming.
LordofHats wrote: Soraka can't do a lot of the 'fancy' stuff other supports can. She's quite plain but there are a lot of things she can do. My personal favorite:
Rylai's + Q = Perma-Slow Field
Her ult saves lives, can be a teamfight meanace if built into because that health burst can be gamechaning if used right. I tend to only like taking her though if I have a strong AP team comp (bursters/double AP/etc) to capitalize on the usage of Starcall.
More support grumbles. Playing Thresh and my carry was complaining at me for hitting minions (although I didn't kill any) and standing in front of him.
First point fair enough, but we were pushing tower so I was keeping them pinned back and trying to get a grab. Second point though he was on half health so I was tanking in front and he was complaining he couldn't hit minions because of me. They were definitely trying to target the carry though rather than me and I can't use my Q from behind the carry. Maybe I was just too aggressive for them, but if I can't trim down the bigger minions or go in front of the carry to poke champions then supports not much of a role is it?! Sit in bushes and watch for 5 minutes is not really cutting it for me.
Also, if I stand back and the carry commits/enemy jungler arrives then I can't respond in time, so can't win either way!
Then the other game where our so called "expert" flamed me for not buying wards as well as a sight stone and that all pros always buy 5 wards every time they go back to fountain. You couldn't make it up could you ...
If the Carry dies.. its the supports Fault
If the Carry gets ganked. Their wasn't enough Wards
You are expected to set there for the laning phase while they farm.
ruminator wrote: More support grumbles. Playing Thresh and my carry was complaining at me for hitting minions (although I didn't kill any) and standing in front of him.
First point fair enough, but we were pushing tower so I was keeping them pinned back and trying to get a grab. Second point though he was on half health so I was tanking in front and he was complaining he couldn't hit minions because of me. They were definitely trying to target the carry though rather than me and I can't use my Q from behind the carry. Maybe I was just too aggressive for them, but if I can't trim down the bigger minions or go in front of the carry to poke champions then supports not much of a role is it?! Sit in bushes and watch for 5 minutes is not really cutting it for me.
Also, if I stand back and the carry commits/enemy jungler arrives then I can't respond in time, so can't win either way!
Then the other game where our so called "expert" flamed me for not buying wards as well as a sight stone and that all pros always buy 5 wards every time they go back to fountain. You couldn't make it up could you ...
Ehh, it's something that you grow to ignore. Positioning is the hardest thing because if you're partnered with an ADC that you don't know (most likley case) you'll be trying to complement their style while also keeping them safe. This is something I've found that gets easier the better your ADC is. They'll know when to go in and you'll know when to save them or help them out. But because most people I end up being paired with aren't that spectacular at the position, they can get fussy when things don't go their way. My solution was to push in hard on movement speed for my supports so I can be wherever I need to be to save the ADC, throw down abilities and have the movement to get out of trouble myself incase I get focused instead. (also means I can put off buying boots until much later than I probably should)
As for wards, I feel the three wards from a ruby sightstone give you enough to put them in high-traffic areas for the current game state. There's typically a bush you can hide them in so they have to put more effort to find them with pink/oracle's. I also tend to buy two pink wards for counterwarding. When warding aggressively or preparing baron/dragon having them on hand really helps. Towards the end of the game, however, I may forgo the pink wards for just an oracle's, meaning I can go clear out wards from a critical area while my team keeps vision of it. Again, the three wards in high-traffic areas to monitor movements. Haven't gotten a complain yet... except two seconds after baron ward dies they'll start fussing at me but I've grown to expect it.
LordofHats wrote: Nasus top is very easily countered by a boat load of champs; Darius, Garen, Riven, Singed, Yorick, aka deny the farm! DENY! Pretty much anyone who can bully Nasus around in early game and keep him from farming well (especially Rumble, Darius, and Garen). But in the jungle it's much much tricker to stop him from building his stacks (which is why I'm so happy he's been buffed as Nasus was my first main). He is easy prey for certain junglers who can run around his jungle with free reign, but that's only a few champs like Shaco and Kha'Zix.
Haha, I digress
Whenever I see darius/garen/riven/singed top, I counter with Nasus. There aren't enough yorick players that I can say I've versed them top yet.
Nasus's sustain is unbelievable. At level 1 you get what, 16% lifesteal? I get quints that up that to 22%, so right off the bat you have some crazy sustain.
Every game I have played against those champions, I literally ignore them while farming. Darius I can turret dive and win by lvl 6.
This last game I played against darius I beat him top lane so hard that he gave up and started roaming before his turret died. Basically Nasus is ridiculously OP. Also got a penta-kill the same game even though my team was feeding hard in a ranked match:
The only champion I have ever had trouble with is teemo, just because teemo pretty much counters ever top laner.
I only recently started playing properly in order to get ready for Insomnia LAN and I normally play as Ashe.
I find that with the right build she can do tons of damage in a short space of time.
last game I went 12/1/7 as Ashe in 5v5.
The Bringer wrote: The only champion I have ever had trouble with is teemo, just because teemo pretty much counters ever top laner.
Not really, teemo just is ridiculously good against top laners that don't have gap closers. So he counters Garen, Tryn and Nasus pretty hard since he can harass and outrun all three of those champs ridiculously well. I studied the idea of teemo top for a while. He's a beast until you come across a gap closer like Jax or a B.S. passive like Pantheon. (seriously, you can't touch the guy!)
In the incredibly rare case that I do play in top lane, I've just taken to playing Yorick. I can see how he would counter Nasus just by constant harass while farming. You honestly can't do anything to stop it, I'll just puke ghouls on you all day until you can't safely farm and maintain your sustain. I may not immediately push you out of lane, but by the end of the laning phase I should have made you hate your life.
LordofHats wrote: Nasus top is very easily countered by a boat load of champs; Darius, Garen, Riven, Singed, Yorick, aka deny the farm! DENY! Pretty much anyone who can bully Nasus around in early game and keep him from farming well (especially Rumble, Darius, and Garen). But in the jungle it's much much tricker to stop him from building his stacks (which is why I'm so happy he's been buffed as Nasus was my first main). He is easy prey for certain junglers who can run around his jungle with free reign, but that's only a few champs like Shaco and Kha'Zix.
Haha, I digress
Whenever I see darius/garen/riven/singed top, I counter with Nasus. There aren't enough yorick players that I can say I've versed them top yet.
Nasus's sustain is unbelievable. At level 1 you get what, 16% lifesteal? I get quints that up that to 22%, so right off the bat you have some crazy sustain.
Every game I have played against those champions, I literally ignore them while farming. Darius I can turret dive and win by lvl 6.
This last game I played against darius I beat him top lane so hard that he gave up and started roaming before his turret died. Basically Nasus is ridiculously OP. Also got a penta-kill the same game even though my team was feeding hard in a ranked match:
The only champion I have ever had trouble with is teemo, just because teemo pretty much counters ever top laner.
Sorry, I have to agree with the first post. Nasus simply can't go toe-to-toe with most bruisers top until at least lvl 6 (without help jungle help anyway). A decent Nasus however, does actually counter Yorick. You get free lifesteal and Q-farm from his gouls.
I know nothing about jungle Nasus though. At least not from experience.
I know nothing about jungle Nasus though. At least not from experience.
Although I have not tried jungle Nasus, it is viable, and quite effective.
As a jungler, I regularly get more farm than any other lane in the game. The jungle camps is just what Nasus needs to farm his Q. Free farm, and plenty of it. On the ganks, while Nasus might not be as strong as some, he is still quite effective because his wither is effectively exhaust but better.
Anyone else as excited for the ARAM matchmaking thats on the way?
They are doing the Howling Abyss map, a Frozen Proving Grounds, and are releasing Lyssandra ( <- Rumor), a Sejuani revamp, and another Ashe Skin if all the rumors are true.
GangstaMuffin24 wrote: I know nothing about jungle Nasus though. At least not from experience.
Jungle Nasus is pretty sick. One of the more popular jungles being run in the LCS these days. You farm in the jungle, leveling up your Q like nobody's business and suddenly you ghost out into a lane, wither some poor sap and brain them with your Q while your teammates pile on.
THey've really only thrown around buzzwords about her; remapping power, people didn't think she felt like she should play., stuf flike that.
I'm still waiting for my first to be shown some love. Hell Riot has completely forgotten about him. They even said they want to make a quadropalegic missle shooting robot in a recent thread :(
GangstaMuffin24 wrote: I know nothing about jungle Nasus though. At least not from experience.
Jungle Nasus is pretty sick. One of the more popular jungles being run in the LCS these days. You farm in the jungle, leveling up your Q like nobody's business and suddenly you ghost out into a lane, wither some poor sap and brain them with your Q while your teammates pile on.
I've tried jungle Nasus a few times and my only complaint is how SLOW he seems to be at jungling. His passive gives him a little bit of healing, but nothing like Nunu or Nocturne. Still, late game that Q hits like a monster truck.
Slarg232 wrote:Anyone else as excited for the ARAM matchmaking thats on the way?
They are doing the Howling Abyss map, a Frozen Proving Grounds, and are releasing Lyssandra ( <- Rumor), a Sejuani revamp, and another Ashe Skin if all the rumors are true.
Wait wait wait... will I be able to get my daily win from ARAM? I freaking LOVE ARAM. Nice break from seeing mostly the same champs over and over again.
Slarg232 wrote:THey've really only thrown around buzzwords about her; remapping power, people didn't think she felt like she should play., stuf flike that.
I'm still waiting for my first to be shown some love. Hell Riot has completely forgotten about him. They even said they want to make a quadropalegic missle shooting robot in a recent thread :(
Urgot I'm guessing? I love to play Urgot, but he just really can't keep up as an ADC anymore. :( Still, I like to come up with silly concept teams and a team of him, Battlecast Cho, Full Metal Jayce, Mecha Kha'Zix and maybe Full Metal Rammus would be kind of hilarious to see.
GangstaMuffin24 wrote: I know nothing about jungle Nasus though. At least not from experience.
Jungle Nasus is pretty sick. One of the more popular jungles being run in the LCS these days. You farm in the jungle, leveling up your Q like nobody's business and suddenly you ghost out into a lane, wither some poor sap and brain them with your Q while your teammates pile on.
I've tried jungle Nasus a few times and my only complaint is how SLOW he seems to be at jungling. His passive gives him a little bit of healing, but nothing like Nunu or Nocturne. Still, late game that Q hits like a monster truck.
That's his major weakness, which is why majority of them take ghost/smite as summoner's spells. You need that ghost to catch the ADC or you will be absolutely useless in battle as you get kited every which way.
There are two ways to play Nasus in late game: As a split-pusher or a sweeper.
To split push you use Teleport instead of Ghost. You build a little more off tanky. You push a lane opposite the map of the rest of your team, forcing the enemy team to split or let you have the tower (generally unless hard countered which in late game is usually not much of a problem for Nasus, no one can 1v1 a stacked q). This also allows Nasus to either teleport into a team fight, or come back from death and quickly teleport to the front of a lane to kill a tower.
To sweep you're job is basically to be a hard tank, survive the team fight and then use Ghost, Wither, and Siphon strike to finish off any enemies that survived the fight then push the lane and quickly kill a tower.
Generally sweeper Nasus will be what you use unless you're team has coordinated to make Split-pushing practical and some teams just do not allow for a member to be off pushing a second lane.
Carrying an entire game with Sona, mass-buying pink wards to counter Akali, dealing more damage to champions than Mordekaiser (dear god), letting your adc freefarm early game, save your teammates for god how many times...not even getting commends.
Sigvatr wrote: Carrying an entire game with Sona, mass-buying pink wards to counter Akali, dealing more damage to champions than Mordekaiser (dear god), letting your adc freefarm early game, save your teammates for god how many times...not even getting commends.
I hate people.
Supports are the unsung heroes of the game. As someone who primarily plays support in ranked, I find that it is a thankless job, but that is because your successes are much more intangible than any other position. Actively warding makes your team feel comfortable and understand where the opposition is at all times. Unless you've lit up an obscene area, they won't actually notice until they all die out and yell at you to ward baron even though you know they are there and you'll probably die doing it.
My favorite barometer for success though is how well your ADC is doing. Did you support them well? If you did, they should be comfortably fed/farmed and ready to help the team once the laning phase ends. You can't stop them from making mistakes, but you can save them after the fact, preventing a death from their ignorance.The only time you do get recognition is when your ADC understands the quality of laning support you can give. They are usually the only ones who honor me these days, but that's because they know they couldn't have gotten as fed as they were without me.
Sigvatr wrote: Carrying an entire game with Sona, mass-buying pink wards to counter Akali, dealing more damage to champions than Mordekaiser (dear god), letting your adc freefarm early game, save your teammates for god how many times...not even getting commends.
I hate people.
Supports are the unsung heroes of the game. As someone who primarily plays support in ranked, I find that it is a thankless job, but that is because your successes are much more intangible than any other position. Actively warding makes your team feel comfortable and understand where the opposition is at all times. Unless you've lit up an obscene area, they won't actually notice until they all die out and yell at you to ward baron even though you know they are there and you'll probably die doing it.
My favorite barometer for success though is how well your ADC is doing. Did you support them well? If you did, they should be comfortably fed/farmed and ready to help the team once the laning phase ends. You can't stop them from making mistakes, but you can save them after the fact, preventing a death from their ignorance.The only time you do get recognition is when your ADC understands the quality of laning support you can give. They are usually the only ones who honor me these days, but that's because they know they couldn't have gotten as fed as they were without me.
There should be more players like you. We must play a game sometime.
Just checking out the Trundle rework, and pretty thrilled to play the troll again. Though I guess less because his in game mechanics are changing too much, more because the skins are soooo much better Call me shallow but somewhat limited play style + bad skins were killing it for me ... so I switched to Headhunter Nida But will be happy to be back.
Also find it funny that two of my favorite champs, both of whom I moved on from, are getting redone together
I totally agree, and I love this rework/plot advancement/ theme campaign they've got going on with the ice lich... I mean witch, sejuani and trundle. She looks unabashedly evil and inhuman, which is a wonderful thing in a spellcaster.
Approve of the new Sejuani model. First thing I thought when I saw her artwork was "why is someone from a frozen wasteland wearing a bikini." I mean, Ashe pushes it too but at least she wearing a cowl and cloak over that skirt.
I i really enjoy how tanky you can be with taking all support items.
I had a Udyr try to gank me 1v1 while the adc was back.. i was tanky enough he had no chance of a successful gank, we were about even on life when i moved back.
I really want to get Nami now i think, she looks like she could be fun.
Spyder68 wrote: I really want to get Nami now i think, she looks like she could be fun.
As someone who mainly supports as Nami, she is an absolute blast. She has everything I like in a support kit: a good snare, a heal, a attack buff and a game changing ultimate. Also, her passive is ridiculously helpful. She's definitely underrated and increcdibly dangerous in the right hands.
LordofHats wrote: Approve of the new Sejuani model. First thing I thought when I saw her artwork was "why is someone from a frozen wasteland wearing a bikini." I mean, Ashe pushes it too but at least she wearing a cowl and cloak over that skirt.
It looks nice but taric, blitz and Yi need a model remake more.
The only thing I would change with blitz is to make his grab animation match his grab more accurately, meaning there's none of this barely touching them yet not grabbing them BS happening.
Just had a fast, fun game with Bunnygirl Riven. Went top, got a double kill, got the Sword of the Occult, killed another three, got the Ionian Boots of Furor, killed a bunch more, got a Bloodthirster and started no-selling turrets.
Spyder68 wrote: Sadly.. Karma didnt get much better from playing them post changes.
I greatly disagree. Karma is a great support! She is just very differet from other supports in that she has to be an aggressive and active support.
Whereas someone like Sorraka or Janna or Sona can sit back and be backline support, buffing their ADC but never really getting near the action, Karma is much more aggressive about it. She has her shield which boosts movement speed, and two different slows (one of which roots). She is, to me, a brute force support. She wins by making sure the opponent can't get away, bullying people hard enough that they can't sit back behind the minions and hea.. I usually run her with flash and heal (to make up for her lack of healing ability, obviously). Mantra is definitely less important than it used to be. During laning I'll use it with W to self heal, but during team fights it's obviously for group shields.
Masteries, I use 4/4/20whatever. Cooldown reduction in attack, armor in defense, rest in support. Runes are AP/Armor/Scaling MR/Gold per 5 (but could easily do CDR or AP). Start with the trinkets for a philo stone, pots + wards. I usually build a Chalice after boots (merc treads, not CDR boots). Athene's is next followed by Shuralya's Reverie. Caps CDR. Last three build to suit the enemy. In general I use Rabadons for truly silly shields, the ice shard thing that builds from mana manipulator, in case I can't reach my target directly to slow them, and ... something else, I forget. Rylai's for health maybe? Doesn't sound right.
Anyway, Karma is great fun, and I think she really makes a good aggressive support.
Agree with the point about Soraka and Janna, but disagree with Sona. A good Sona is not sitting behind the lines, but is constantly poking the enemy. Of all supports, she has the highest poking threat and letthing her sit around doing nothing is wasting a lot of her potential.
2 guys trolling together
someone would rage quit within first 5min.
People would call same lane, then both go due mid/top/jungle, then one would quit if one got the buff over him
constant BS.
2 guys trolling together
someone would rage quit within first 5min.
People would call same lane, then both go due mid/top/jungle, then one would quit if one got the buff over him
constant BS.
Such is the life of ranked queues, solo or duo. Doesn't matter, all it takes it one person to ruin a good thing and for some reason ranked is full of them. I'll clean up on normals without even trying but ranked? Don't worry bro, you're not alone.
Solo queue is mostly luck-based. Get one game-ruiner in the game and you're done for. Sure, that sucks, but once you recognize this and get over it, solo q gets a lot more enjoyable.
Sigvatr wrote: Solo queue is mostly luck-based. Get one game-ruiner in the game and you're done for. Sure, that sucks, but once you recognize this and get over it, solo q gets a lot more enjoyable.
Just play for fun/experience. The so called "competitive" players who are knocking around in Bronze league is laughable ... you're there for a reason, you're not a pro, just relax and enjoy the game. Too much flaming going on.
Last ranked game I had an ammumu jungler and I was solo top Garen against Teeemo - so not not good. Their Xin Zhao jungler ganked me 3 times in the first 10 minutes and my jungler ... spent the first 15 minutes between mid and bot and never came top. He then flamed me constantly for deaths but did nothing to assist until after I'd been 2 v 1 pushed off the tower and the first tower was lost ... but he's the pro player of course, all his losses are due to everyone else!
Tribunal in general is a joke. Most of the time unless someone did something very fragrant (a lot more than being calling someone a noob) chances are nothing will happen. Irony, the baddies, trolls, and horrible people, vote in Tribunal too.
If you do not want to listen to someone Rant, ignore function them.
I quote:
Players shouldn’t need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.
I understand that most of the time reporting doesn't do anything, but I will take the effort to report toxic players so that they could possibly get what is coming to them. If I don't, then there is no guarentee they won't face some sort of repricussion for their actions.
i get reported around 3 games out 6 anymore. for playing support.
i went 0/6/15 with Leona, giving my ADC 5 kills early.. Top/Junger/Mid failed.. and the 3 of them reported me for 0 kills (4 of the deaths were after laning phase after the others fed their lanes)
LordofHats wrote: The case doesn't even really make it to tribunal unless you're reported like 4 times in a row anyway.
Depends on the reason. Feeding e.g. has a lower reporting treshold than flaming and remember that your overall reports are taken into consideration, not just the ones from a single game. 8 reports in 5 matches e.g. gets you reported. 8 reports in total.
/e: Level 26 permabanned with Overwhelming Majority. feth yeah, justice been served.
That's just not true at all. People bring sth. to the Tribunal by reporting, but they have zero bearing on actual punishment, it's the council who decides, not the players. Had a case yesterday that got 12 reports in 5 games and was Parndoned with Overwhelming Majority.
There's a huge difference between reporting for someone who had a bad game and someone who spams offensive words about his team-mates. There's also a huge difference between deliberate feeding and lots of deaths. I had a volibear support who went 0-5 early and while this was due to them being over aggressive, they were not deliberately feeding just not playing very well. The constant spouting of comments running down the screen is then really offputting ...
If an average/poor player wants to play ranked games then surely that's what bronze 5 is for. So saying, the worst players for flaming are rarely any good themselves and seem to think that every time they die it must be someone else's fault as they're too "pro" to lose themselves. With this kind of mindset then a ban is the only way to teach these players anything at all - so I think there should be far more bans.
They want to start off a second account, fine, They are rank one and playing unranked until their main account becomes available again. Maybe that might start to get the message through.
If we don't report bad behaviour then the reasonable people will all eventually leave to another game and LOL will just be left with a bunch of virgins and keyboard flamers as it's online population. Not fun.
ruminator wrote: There's a huge difference between reporting for someone who had a bad game and someone who spams offensive words about his team-mates. There's also a huge difference between deliberate feeding and lots of deaths. I had a volibear support who went 0-5 early and while this was due to them being over aggressive, they were not deliberately feeding just not playing very well. The constant spouting of comments running down the screen is then really offputting ...
If an average/poor player wants to play ranked games then surely that's what bronze 5 is for. So saying, the worst players for flaming are rarely any good themselves and seem to think that every time they die it must be someone else's fault as they're too "pro" to lose themselves. With this kind of mindset then a ban is the only way to teach these players anything at all - so I think there should be far more bans.
They want to start off a second account, fine, They are rank one and playing unranked until their main account becomes available again. Maybe that might start to get the message through.
If we don't report bad behaviour then the reasonable people will all eventually leave to another game and LOL will just be left with a bunch of virgins and keyboard flamers as it's online population. Not fun.
I thought the game was already to that point in most cases ?
I can't get on to LoL I'm trying to put these executables as exceptions in my firewall but it's not working I don't know which numbers to change in the bolded part, please help.
C:\Riot Games\League of Legends\lol.launcher.exe
C:\Riot Games\League of Legends\RADS\system\rads_user_kernel.exe
C:\Riot Games\League of Legends\RADS\solutions\lol_game_client_sln\releases\0.0.0.xx C:\Riot Games\League of Legends\RADS\projects\lol_air_client\releases\0.0.0.xx C:\Riot Games\League of Legends\RADS\projects\lol_launcher\releases\0.0.0.xx
I think I've bought my last Riot points - making it a grand total of $15. I'm getting a bit annoyed with the way "fairness" (on their business side) keeps on getting in the way of my enjoyment of the game. Incidentally, it's the same sort of bs that made me quit Magic: the Gathering.
AlexHolker wrote: I think I've bought my last Riot points - making it a grand total of $15. I'm getting a bit annoyed with the way "fairness" (on their business side) keeps on getting in the way of my enjoyment of the game. Incidentally, it's the same sort of bs that made me quit Magic: the Gathering.
Don't buy any riot points then you can get new champs, runes and rune pages for free if you're patient enough.
AlexHolker wrote: I think I've bought my last Riot points - making it a grand total of $15. I'm getting a bit annoyed with the way "fairness" (on their business side) keeps on getting in the way of my enjoyment of the game. Incidentally, it's the same sort of bs that made me quit Magic: the Gathering.
What are you talking about here? I'm curious about both LoL and MTG as i play both.
MTG requires you to keep buying new cards unless you play really casually.
As for LoL the more impatient the more you'll spend. As a suggestion I'd say try to keep to buying only skins you like the look of that are for champions you like to play fairly regularly. Doing that you can get away with paying next to nothing at all.
AlexHolker wrote: I think I've bought my last Riot points - making it a grand total of $15. I'm getting a bit annoyed with the way "fairness" (on their business side) keeps on getting in the way of my enjoyment of the game. Incidentally, it's the same sort of bs that made me quit Magic: the Gathering.
What are you talking about here? I'm curious about both LoL and MTG as i play both.
I'm thinking of 1350 RP tier skins in LoL and Mythic Rares in MtG. The spin for both was that they were changes made for the benefit of the fanbase, when really one is a 50% price hike on a bunch of non-Legendary skins, and the other was making it two to three times harder to find the card you're looking for.
AlexHolker wrote: I think I've bought my last Riot points - making it a grand total of $15. I'm getting a bit annoyed with the way "fairness" (on their business side) keeps on getting in the way of my enjoyment of the game. Incidentally, it's the same sort of bs that made me quit Magic: the Gathering.
What are you talking about here? I'm curious about both LoL and MTG as i play both.
I'm thinking of 1350 RP tier skins in LoL and Mythic Rares in MtG. The spin for both was that they were changes made for the benefit of the fanbase, when really one is a 50% price hike on a bunch of non-Legendary skins, and the other was making it two to three times harder to find the card you're looking for.
But... skins don't have any effect in game. Your champ is the same in terms of game play no matter what you have them looking like.
LordofHats wrote: Not true actually. At least in normal game modes some skins do have effects. Examples:
Leona does 1 less damage to champions wearing sunglasses; Vayne, Commando Galio/Jarvan, and one of Graves' skins.
Taric of the 5th Age (aka Pink Taric) is immune to Ahri's Charm ability.
That last one is simply untrue. I own the skin and I've been charmed plenty of times.
As for the 1 less damage thing, there are plenty of "hidden passives" in the game similar to that. Their numbers are so small they literally have no impact.
LordofHats wrote: Not true actually. At least in normal game modes some skins do have effects. Examples:
Leona does 1 less damage to champions wearing sunglasses; Vayne, Commando Galio/Jarvan, and one of Graves' skins.
Taric of the 5th Age (aka Pink Taric) is immune to Ahri's Charm ability.
That last one is simply untrue. I own the skin and I've been charmed plenty of times.
As for the 1 less damage thing, there are plenty of "hidden passives" in the game similar to that. Their numbers are so small they literally have no impact.
Gangster twitch instills fear in his enemies... completely unfair advantage :(
AlexHolker wrote: I think I've bought my last Riot points - making it a grand total of $15. I'm getting a bit annoyed with the way "fairness" (on their business side) keeps on getting in the way of my enjoyment of the game. Incidentally, it's the same sort of bs that made me quit Magic: the Gathering.
What are you talking about here? I'm curious about both LoL and MTG as i play both.
I'm thinking of 1350 RP tier skins in LoL and Mythic Rares in MtG. The spin for both was that they were changes made for the benefit of the fanbase, when really one is a 50% price hike on a bunch of non-Legendary skins, and the other was making it two to three times harder to find the card you're looking for.
But... skins don't have any effect in game. Your champ is the same in terms of game play no matter what you have them looking like.
This, this, a million times this. They only change how you look in game, not how well you play it.
Also, if you play magic and you chase the meta, you're doing it wrong. You save MUCH more money to invest in a deck and play it well, changing minor cards based on the meta shifts, not changing your deck every time some pro creates a new deck type for the format. I have so much singles credit saved up at my store because I didn't chase the meta and just built one deck, tweaking the list to cope with the new big dogs on the block.
Currently spending some time on Thresh but having trouble getting a verdict on him. He seems weird. A good hook although not as good as Blitz's hook, the lantern is nice, but his E seems really weak to me. His ult is good but requires good positioning. If you miss your hook in a teamfight, you lost it in most cases as you will hardly get a good ult off.
Any good pointers? Read a few guides, but not convinced on him yet. I'll just stick to Sona, Soraka and Taric for now :/
LordofHats wrote: Not true actually. At least in normal game modes some skins do have effects. Examples:
Leona does 1 less damage to champions wearing sunglasses; Vayne, Commando Galio/Jarvan, and one of Graves' skins.
Taric of the 5th Age (aka Pink Taric) is immune to Ahri's Charm ability.
That last one is simply untrue. I own the skin and I've been charmed plenty of times.
As for the 1 less damage thing, there are plenty of "hidden passives" in the game similar to that. Their numbers are so small they literally have no impact.
Gangster twitch instills fear in his enemies... completely unfair advantage :(
Bunny Teemo exponentially increases his global taunt range.
Sigvatr wrote: Currently spending some time on Thresh but having trouble getting a verdict on him. He seems weird. A good hook although not as good as Blitz's hook, the lantern is nice, but his E seems really weak to me. His ult is good but requires good positioning. If you miss your hook in a teamfight, you lost it in most cases as you will hardly get a good ult off.
Any good pointers? Read a few guides, but not convinced on him yet. I'll just stick to Sona, Soraka and Taric for now :/
You can't really compare blitz's hook to thresh's hook. It's becaus it's a hybrid between Blitz's and Leona's. What it lacks in displacment it gains in a good, long stun on the hooked target. You immobilize them for the time that you have them hooked.
Flay is actually a really strong combo spell for CC. Early game you hook them then flay them and they've been stunned for quite a long time (long enough for them to get scared and force flash)
The problem with thresh is that he requires good teamwork to make him stand out. You need your teammates on the same page. They need to know why you're throwing the lantern and who it is intended for. A quick CC jungler can get into the fray much faster this way and turn the fight really well but you need the communication to get it done right.
Haha, true about that teamwork thingy...saw a teammate with a Lee Sin in a fight, was out of range, threw my lantern just where I thought he'd lane after being kicked away and he got kicked right on it. Didn't stop him from just going back to Lee Sinn and dying, then shouting "WP TRESH NICE LANTERN NOOB, REPORT PLZ x9" on me. I also do not like the really long windup for his hook tbh, makes it very easy to dodge unless you're cc'd or do not have vision.
Might pick up a few replays when I got more time again. Until then, I feel that Soraka is a much safer bet for ranked solo queue. Then again, I'm only Silver 2 as of now.
LordofHats wrote: Not true actually. At least in normal game modes some skins do have effects. Examples:
Leona does 1 less damage to champions wearing sunglasses; Vayne, Commando Galio/Jarvan, and one of Graves' skins.
Taric of the 5th Age (aka Pink Taric) is immune to Ahri's Charm ability.
That last one is simply untrue. I own the skin and I've been charmed plenty of times.
As for the 1 less damage thing, there are plenty of "hidden passives" in the game similar to that. Their numbers are so small they literally have no impact.
They might have changed it then (or maybe that was just one of those crazy rumors I forget).
That 1 damage might actually matter in some bizarre scenario but that stuffs all disabled in ranked games so it doesn't really matter at all It's just funny like how Trundle's pillar does 1 true damage XD
Sigvatr wrote: Might pick up a few replays when I got more time again. Until then, I feel that Soraka is a much safer bet for ranked solo queue. Then again, I'm only Silver 2 as of now.
If you want some good Thresh replays, I'd look around in the EULCS. There's a couple of support players that can play really sick thresh support, I know Krepo from Evil Geniuses is one of them, I cannot think of the other off the top of head but they're always competing on who should be called "The Thresh Prince"....of course that is whenever it isn't banned out against them.
Isn't that Edward from Gambit? Stupidly good support no matter what he plays - switched back to Sona here late season, looks like.
Busted out Thresh again recently, as I'm aching to play Trundle like old times but impatiently waiting the revamp to do it. It wasn't the most awesome time, to a large extent because two people dropped and so it was up to the three of us to carry on. Which I still think we could have done, if I were on my main croc Renekton ... but not on a support-turned-ADC Thresh I haven't played in months
Anyway, am currently happy with Renekton 90% of the time, Nidalee the other 10% when I want to mess with mana again (though I keep getting stuck in mid with her ), but mostly bidding my time for the troll
Boss Salvage wrote: Isn't that Edward from Gambit? Stupidly good support no matter what he plays - switched back to Sona here late season, looks like.
Yeah, the reason why I couldn't remember is because every time I think of Edward I think of his insane lulu plays, but his thresh plays are also quite ridiculous as well.
I just recently got back into league (my friend lured me into it over the summer, but he was a level 30 and playing games with level 30's while I was new turned me away from the game)
If you're not an extremely high level and would like to play pvp sometime hit me up (name on there is "Choperdacat"). If you are a high level, bot matches are fine I guess.
Also, anybody got tips for playing vladimir? When I play him I never seem to die, but I also can't seem to secure kills.
Fun fact: I get more trolls in ranked than in solo q.
Also, rammus free week . The my first game ever with rammus, I would roll into all 5 of the enemy team, taunt their adc (who preceded to kill himself attacking me), and the rest of their team would run away. 1 v 5...
The second game my team fed hard, and I led them to victory in an hour and 10 minute game where it was about 80 kills to 80 kills. Rammus is so fun
Also, rammus free week . The my first game ever with rammus, I would roll into all 5 of the enemy team, taunt their adc (who preceded to kill himself attacking me), and the rest of their team would run away. 1 v 5...
The second game my team fed hard, and I led them to victory in an hour and 10 minute game where it was about 80 kills to 80 kills. Rammus is so fun
I love jungling rammus. The ganks hit like a freight train and you absoultely shut down anyone with a channeled ultimate like Katarina and Nunu
I also just had a really frustrating game. I was playing Janna, and the rest of the team was whining all the time. If they weren't whining about me not getting enough kills, they were whining about me getting too many kills. If they weren't whining about me not warding Baron, they were whining because I tried to ward Baron.
As someone who mains support, if someone starts yelling at me to place more wards I immediately mute them. As much as I love vision, I try to place wards where ever I safely can that would also give us some sort of benefit. Sometimes they dont' realize how much other teams actually can do to kill wards. (it isn't hard at all)
thats the problem about playing with randoms, since its a team game sometimes its hard to signal your allies. Though the smart ping system helped greatly sometimes it really isn't enough.
I'm glad that i have a few friends on skype whenever i log on to help me through most games. If you come across any good players friend them so that you have competent and level headed people on your team to q with.
With supports i always prefer the tankier ones over the soft supports. So i tend to main thresh or leona with the occasional alistar when i feel he is needed. The chain does take a second to wind up but much like leona sometimes you have to aim your skill shot where you think they are headed to catch them out.
The passive off his Q does a good amount of poke damage especially in the early levels of the game. So you will usually be able to harass the opposing support. What i love running on my supports is boots of mobility, it doesn't seem like a big upgrade. But when you are running down enemy champs to chain stun/root them for your team to catch up its a big deal.
The passive off his Q does a good amount of poke damage especially in the early levels of the game. So you will usually be able to harass the opposing support. What i love running on my supports is boots of mobility, it doesn't seem like a big upgrade. But when you are running down enemy champs to chain stun/root them for your team to catch up its a big deal.
Yeah it does, sad the next patch is gonna shift that passive to his flay :<
I love to run movement quints myself. It allows me to delay buying boots until much later than normal. I main Nami and I'm moving as fast as most champs with T2 boots without them :3c
I personally feel I'm about to cusp the "next level" in playing support. I've gotten the general flow of things down to an art form from warding to battle control. It's a shame I'm stuck in Silver V for now haha.
Lifesteal quints all the way. Starting with 6% lifesteal gives you an insane edge on your opponents since you have so much lane sustain. You can stay in longer and get way better farm.
I personally feel I'm about to cusp the "next level" in playing support. I've gotten the general flow of things down to an art form from warding to battle control. It's a shame I'm stuck in Silver V for now haha.
The passive off his Q does a good amount of poke damage especially in the early levels of the game. So you will usually be able to harass the opposing support. What i love running on my supports is boots of mobility, it doesn't seem like a big upgrade. But when you are running down enemy champs to chain stun/root them for your team to catch up its a big deal.
Yeah it does, sad the next patch is gonna shift that passive to his flay :<
I love to run movement quints myself. It allows me to delay buying boots until much later than normal. I main Nami and I'm moving as fast as most champs with T2 boots without them :3c
I personally feel I'm about to cusp the "next level" in playing support. I've gotten the general flow of things down to an art form from warding to battle control. It's a shame I'm stuck in Silver V for now haha.
Thresh is my most used champion in ranked now. Inspired by Edward replays! Flay is actually really useful not for the damage so much as the knock-back. Great for shedding champions trying to hunt you down - try the Q,R,E,W combo in team fights to keep your target unable to fight back for a good few seconds so they get wasted by your team. W then allows you to retreat back while giving your bruisers some protection. I do seem to really need cooldown reduction on thresh as his Q and W do seem to take too long to refresh. the E is pretty quick though.
Good item is Shurelya's as it builds from philosophers stone and kindle-gem - both useful items - and then you get the movement buff which is pretty useful (although I keep on forgetting to use it).
Grab is not as good as Blitz mainly due to wind up, but everything else is far better for a support - shield, CC control, slow.
Lissandra, when played properly, is ungankable in early game. You go anywhere close to her, and bam! She's moved 3 flash distances away. However, she seems to fall apart late game, and can be dismantled without too much fuss. I like her ulti though. Fancy mechanic.
Sejuani seems very much as she always did in honesty, but an updated skin seems swanky.
Trundle, has been one of my top favorite champs for a long time, so naturally I was very worried about changes being made to him. But, he seems to have been buffed quite nicely. With his ult up, and his contaminate down, he is very very tough to kill, and is an absolute nightmare to escape from. I'm glad they made a 'classic' trundle skin; I much prefer a unique champ, than a WoW Ice Troll. (That and I love the pillar of feces that old trundle had; was very glad that the'classic' trundle makeover retains the poo pillar!) Speaking of his pillar, the knock up it has now, is much more useful than I thought it'd be. Makes him a bit of a nightmare to escape from!
New map is nice, I love that ARAM is now seen as an official thing haha! Only gripe is it's now become more or less a serious affair. Old ARAM was always a chilled, and fun state of affairs, especially after a stressful game or two! Ah well, gripes aside, I'm looking forward to hearing what you guys think of it!
ghosty wrote: New map is nice, I love that ARAM is now seen as an official thing haha! Only gripe is it's now become more or less a serious affair. Old ARAM was always a chilled, and fun state of affairs, especially after a stressful game or two! Ah well, gripes aside, I'm looking forward to hearing what you guys think of it!
I'm just hoping that the new matchmaking makes it easier to get a game going. I've waited ridiculous amounts of time to get a game started because dodgers hating who they got randomed into. I don't play ARAM often, but when I get the itch I hope it's much easier to scratch now.
Lissandra looks really interesting to me. I thought about picking her up, but I'll probably wait until she drops to 6300 so I can understand more of how she plays.
I'm definitely liking the new patch so far. Sejuani plays the same, and I can always go back to her Traditional skin if I feel like it. A bunch of my champions got buffed. ARAM is pretty fun and gives out good IP. My only complaint is that I'm unsure about Ashe's new voice.
Yes I think thresh is better than blitzcrank in many areas though I still hate that rocket grab when it steals buffs or team mates through walls.
I'm also a huge fan of Leona the chain lock down abilities that she has makes her quite mean. Her work makes her resident to a lot of damage and when it pops the sudden burst of damage makes most people reconsider staying in the fight.
Played a few games of aram it is a lot of fun for the same reason I loved playing small games of 40k. Limited pool of resources that you have to make work for you.
Actually prefer ARAM above all other formats, but I dont play ranked. Mostly because it lets you play and play against champs you never really see in normal play. Plus the game jumps to action almost right away instead of the farm phase / team fight phase of Summoner's Rift.
ARAM is a good way to practice control in chaotic team fights. It makes it a bit more obvious what uses supports and assassins have when on SR they can be a bit more difficult to see.
It's fun when you lose 3 games in a row and lose about 7-10 LP every time, but then gain 41 LP for winning one match.
Looks like my hidden ELO disagrees with my teams
I only seem to gain about 14 and lose 20 lately. kinda frustrating when I want to claw my way out of the bowels of ELO hell that is known as Silver V and you lose all of your points from your hotstreak in one game.
It's about Hidden ELO, a special score that runs individually of LP etc., the higher the hidden ELO, the lower your loss and the higher the amount of LP you gain when winning.
E.g. you win a lot, qualify, then fail to complete the series for two times. You therefore have more wins than losses and your hidden ELO increases. As a consequence, it's faster to qualify again and therefore, you get more shots at qualifying. Also influenced by your Normal Game ELO.
...and remember: LoLking score /= ELO.
Special tip: if you are good and play solo queue, play support. A good adc can win you the game, but you are still stuck with 1 bad player. A very good support can even make a mediocre adc a viable addition to your team. Best solo queue player in ranked right now? Support player.
i stopped playing rank consistently after a few games of people disconnecting or wanting to surrender if one thing went wrong. I will eventually make my way back into rank games but for now just doing tons of normal games.
that is a good tip though! supports do not get enough praise, people think the adc is doing all the work and gets fed. But its the support that not only gets him there but gets the team as a whole out of a tough bind (pending champ of course).
What i never understood is why some players believe that only supports should buy wards? What is with that?! If everyone bought a ward to help gain vision on enemy movement you will never be caught unaware and you can even catch the enemy team if they are trying to do something sneaky..
I'm someone who does main support in ranked and I've said it many times, but I will say it again. I almost instantly ignore people lately if they complain at me for not warding enough. I'm mostly just too lazy to tell them "If you look at the map, there's usually 3-4 wards in key traffic areas. They weren't there, so why did you go into that one, unlit area where they most likely were by yourself?"
I'm well aware of good supports feeding decent ADCs to be dangerous. I always try to let my ADCs know that I'm there to protect them and just for them to farm safely until they make a mistake. This way, they think we're being scared, overextend and we get a double kill. Had a 4 man gank on my lane the other day (thankfully, our mid followed theirs) and as we danced around our tower, the dust settled with us up a kill (Was a sona w/ ashe). Would have had more, but I didn't hit 6 until right as it was ending so my creshendo did nothing.
n0t_u wrote: After a while you can just learn to subtly lead the ADCs like pets depending on how aggressive you play as support.
I'm still bronze and mainly suport and ADC is the most variable skill level role I see. Many other lanes are pretty consistent but ADCs are either terrible or brilliant and rarely inbetween. I struggle to control the ADCs at all as they are getting impossible to second guess ...
I treat my ADC like "special" children...aka do all the work and save their butts all the time, but at every kill I go "gj man!" to make them feel good and carry on.
Sigvatr wrote: I am so done with playing support. Really. I am fed up with having terrible adc ruining my games despite my very best efforts.
Gonna Miss Fortune my way through those mofos now.
Then it is time to learn the unconventional supports, and side-carry. Morgana is a great example of this noble subgenre, as is the dreaded Mundo Cleaverama. Serious bonus points for this one if you communicate solely through MUNDOS. This usually only works in pugs, but it can be done with a wide variety of characters.
i feel there is a negative vibe to people like support is the least liked option and that the only job they have is protect adc and buy wards.
Now while those are two things that are part of the deal it isn't the only thing a support does. While other roles may get all the glory support is still an important position vision is always one of your best weapons. Team fights its usually the support that is the back bone of any real fight etc.
Non traditional supports tend to catch people off guard, pretty much anyone who has a slow/root/knock up can be a support. The other day me and my friend played Darius and Jayce bot absolutely murdered an Ezrael and Karma combo. As the game progressed my Darius support went to room and perform clean up as I pushed towers.
cerealkiller195 wrote: i feel there is a negative vibe to people like support is the least liked option and that the only job they have is protect adc and buy wards.
Now while those are two things that are part of the deal it isn't the only thing a support does. While other roles may get all the glory support is still an important position vision is always one of your best weapons. Team fights its usually the support that is the back bone of any real fight etc.
Non traditional supports tend to catch people off guard, pretty much anyone who has a slow/root/knock up can be a support. The other day me and my friend played Darius and Jayce bot absolutely murdered an Ezrael and Karma combo. As the game progressed my Darius support went to room and perform clean up as I pushed towers.
It's because of people seeing Sona/Taric/Soraka as the traditional supports. If you don't play those, you're not playing support. They also see that those characters don't have impressive statlines, which means to them they don't do anything besides buy wards. These are players who try to represent themselves by quantifiable values like K/D/A or CS, when a good support providesa presence that is not measurable by quantifiable means, things such as:
- Sona ult catching four people at the begning of a team fight
- Soraka ult healing enough to turn a certan loss to a unquestionable victory in a teamfight
- Taric stun shutting down a fed assassin in teamfights
- Nami bubbles/speedboosts saving overextended/caught out allies
- Leona stunlocking the opposing ADC into oblivion
The reason why non-traditional supports tend to be so effective is because they forgo the normal CC and Wards approach to supporting that they can't adjust to it. I know I actually have this problem whenever Blitzcrank goes unbanned and the other team gets it. I'm just not used to playing against him and I get absolutely dominated. But it's reasons like this that allow Elise to be such a unique support option. I suspect Lisandra will be in the same boat, they provide solid CC and the ability to break out of their support roles when fed and actually carry the game themselves.
cerealkiller195 wrote: i feel there is a negative vibe to people like support is the least liked option and that the only job they have is protect adc and buy wards.
Now while those are two things that are part of the deal it isn't the only thing a support does. While other roles may get all the glory support is still an important position vision is always one of your best weapons. Team fights its usually the support that is the back bone of any real fight etc.
Non traditional supports tend to catch people off guard, pretty much anyone who has a slow/root/knock up can be a support. The other day me and my friend played Darius and Jayce bot absolutely murdered an Ezrael and Karma combo. As the game progressed my Darius support went to room and perform clean up as I pushed towers.
It's because of people seeing Sona/Taric/Soraka as the traditional supports. If you don't play those, you're not playing support. They also see that those characters don't have impressive statlines, which means to them they don't do anything besides buy wards. These are players who try to represent themselves by quantifiable values like K/D/A or CS, when a good support providesa presence that is not measurable by quantifiable means, things such as:
- Sona ult catching four people at the begning of a team fight
- Soraka ult healing enough to turn a certan loss to a unquestionable victory in a teamfight
- Taric stun shutting down a fed assassin in teamfights
- Nami bubbles/speedboosts saving overextended/caught out allies
- Leona stunlocking the opposing ADC into oblivion
The reason why non-traditional supports tend to be so effective is because they forgo the normal CC and Wards approach to supporting that they can't adjust to it. I know I actually have this problem whenever Blitzcrank goes unbanned and the other team gets it. I'm just not used to playing against him and I get absolutely dominated. But it's reasons like this that allow Elise to be such a unique support option. I suspect Lisandra will be in the same boat, they provide solid CC and the ability to break out of their support roles when fed and actually carry the game themselves.
My only issue with non tradition supports is that you do relatively have to be coordinated with your ad partner. some more obvious than others but still. if the AD dosnt react properly to say a Panthion stun/blitz grab, or even a alistar head/pulv combo you are more likely to get harassed out, then need to sit out for a while as you regen leaving your lane weakened overall.
but god help me a coordinated/ duo que pantie kill lane is so much fun.
(well in rank anyway.)
one of my favorite combo is actually shaco support lane. where shaco roams super early to steal enemy red or blue depending on the lane setup. (always funny)
I really prefer Janna now for support, if I should decide to go back or wasn't fast enough to hammer "ADC" in the chat. She provides you with anything you will ever need, is almost ungankable, has incredible AP ratios and hard counters stuff like Nunu and MF.
Taric is just...lacking. I mean...his ultimate is absolute garbage. His ult does the same as Sona's Q! And it's his ULTIMATE! That's just ridiculous. He has a reliable stun but that's about it. Overall, not worth it.
ADC wise, I just go for Tristana now. Old school at its best. Simple, effective, good cc. Bring it on.
Ranked is terrible. Like...terrible. Whereas in Normal Games, I usually play with Diamond - Gold people, in Ranked, I am stuck in Silver II with some really, really dumb people. And I start to see a routine...win all matches until promotion. Win the first promotional match. Lose the two others by a long shot. It's so ridiculous -_- ''
So disheartening..... Trundle and Urgot were the two characters I played when I started playing that game..... While Urgot isn't next, Morrello has stated they don't like him at all.
Now all they have to do is change Viktor for the worse :/
Apropos Trundle & Supporting: I still need to get back into playing Trundle on support ... Just getting the hang of Eve - SPIKES EVERYWHERE - isn't helping the situation
But overall I really enjoy Malphite, the guy can seriously dish out damage. I think its fun to charge into a x2 or x3 blob of summoners that have been pushing longer then they should have? Then BOOM! I start hitting all of them at the same time with several attacks. Its glorious
. Sion can be quite annoying as well, due to the Shield, stun, boom, smack upside the die, kill tactic.
Haven't played GP in months, guess I'll stick with Voli / Swain 
Not doing a great job so far, but getting there? And yep was harassed about warding in my first 
Your champ is the same in terms of game play no matter what you have them looking like.
It's just funny like how Trundle's pillar does 1 true damage XD
