League of Legends has one of the worst player bases I have ever had the misfortune to spend 20ish minutes with. Truly you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villiany
Ma55ter_fett wrote: League of Legends has one of the worst player bases I have ever had the misfortune to spend 20ish minutes with. Truly you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villiany
Yep. Gotta go find a nice group to play with unless you have skin thicker than the armor on an Abrams. The only community that I think is worse is the old Halo 2 community. That was just... just so bad.
League of Legends has one of the worst player bases I have ever had the misfortune to spend 20ish minutes with. Truly you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villiany
Well to be fair that is a problem in pretty much every big online game I've ever played. WoW was much worse IMO.
Ma55ter_fett wrote: League of Legends has one of the worst player bases I have ever had the misfortune to spend 20ish minutes with. Truly you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villiany
Yep. Gotta go find a nice group to play with unless you have skin thicker than the armor on an Abrams.
Check, time to go play solo ranked a AD Karthus. Seriously though I really couldn't care about how the community speaks to me. I play for the challenge and for fun. Saying that I'v hardly played recently for ages. I'm not even level 30 rofl!
Try AP Xin as well. I just had a fun game on TT against an AP Corki, AP Rammus and Blitzcrank. My team was me as Teemo and my friends as Kennen and Pantheon. Needless to say I won by a bit. Something like 30ish kills to 2-3. Sad that the two core items for my Teemo build (Madreds and Ionic Spark (lightning everywhere and survivability with on hit Teemo) will vanish though so I have to adapt yet again.
Blade of the Ruined King has been an interesting replacement for Madred's in TT so far. But, I think the way it'll go is I'll focus on a more APAS Teemo. The current build is somewhat like Rainman's, which is how I know I'm doing something right with him.
No they won't. Generally when it comes to trolling on their forum, Teemo will be involved. Even if he wasn't the most popular character, Phreak likes him too much to let him go anywhere.
Items can come and go, however champions make them their money so they'll usually keep them where they are.
JohnnoM wrote: You do know they are going to completely remove teemo from the game?
IDK why people are saying that. Riot has said nothing of the sort. Not to mention removing a champion as popular as Teemo is like a giant middle finger to their user base. People tend not to appreciate that sort of thing.
Now onto good news. AD caster items wooooooooooot!
n0t_u wrote: Try AP Xin as well. I just had a fun game on TT against an AP Corki, AP Rammus and Blitzcrank. My team was me as Teemo and my friends as Kennen and Pantheon. Needless to say I won by a bit. Something like 30ish kills to 2-3. Sad that the two core items for my Teemo build (Madreds and Ionic Spark (lightning everywhere and survivability with on hit Teemo) will vanish though so I have to adapt yet again.
Blade of the Ruined King has been an interesting replacement for Madred's in TT so far. But, I think the way it'll go is I'll focus on a more APAS Teemo. The current build is somewhat like Rainman's, which is how I know I'm doing something right with him.
On the topic of AP Xin Zhao (which is pretty damn fun)
The scary thing is one of the related videos for me the first time I saw it was AP Xin soloing baron. I mean, not many troll builds can boast something like that... Generally when you want to try something crazy and fun you look through SivHD's videos.
Janna's my main so might give this a go. At least according to some 2200s I should be 1800, but am held back by my friends apparently.
I play dota 2. My friend recommemded it for me and since then it's been one of my most played games.
I really like playing as rikimaru. It's fun to troll people with riki especially those who don't know how riki works. I once stole enemy storm spirit's boots in diretide.
Haven't played in a while, since the community drove me off.
I play support roles mostly, as nobody else will (Taric, Amummu, Kayle, Lulu, and a few others). I love playing Singed as well, especially when nobody has seen him before and I can just sweep through everybody.
Managed to talk some sense into the team and refunded Xin to buy Diana. Sad part was I got jungle Teemo to work and at times (probably more their skill) out leveled and out controlled the enemy jungle Xin. It was depressing since Teemo struggles to get wolves done with 3 pots.
Managed to talk some sense into the team and refunded Xin to buy Diana. Sad part was I got jungle Teemo to work and at times (probably more their skill) out leveled and out controlled the enemy jungle Xin. It was depressing since Teemo struggles to get wolves done with 3 pots.
People underestimate Taric. He can do a ton of damage with very little money because his ratios are high and his ult is the doomhammer
Nothing like diving the guy who thinks he's safe under his tower -> E -> R -> W -> Q and escape.
EDIT:
Actually while we're all here who is excited for the new season 3 changes? I heard new items for AD casters and thought "Finally! Assassins will be getting some love." New reworked store menu and HUD coming up, new jungle. And we are definitely getting new items. Recently released screens of the new store menu show some item icons we've never seen before. Excited I am
Well Taric's problem is more with his clearing speed.
And this is just the items.
Items
General
Basic Stat Valuations have Changed - This means that the amount of statistics you get per point of gold has shifted.
Attack Damage is generally cheaper from 5 to 10% across all items.
Attack Speed is generally around 10 to 20% more expensive than before.
Armor and Magic Resistance is generally around 10 to 20% more expensive than before
Many items have had their statistics slightly adjusted around this fact.
In general, high-end item premiums have been reduced across the board. This means that items are generally more expensive or provide less statistics the higher tier they are.
Offensive Auras
Range increased to 700 from 600 - Abyssal Scepter, Frozen Heart.
Defensive Aurask
Ranges are now consistent at 1100 - Aegis of the Legion, etc.
Penetration
Flat Penetration items have had their values reduced.
Percent Penetration items have had their values reduced.
Slowing Effects
Global Slow particle now appears faster
Slow effects on Phage / Trinity Force now have reduced effect when used by ranged characters.
Slow durations on Phage / Trinity Force / Frozen Mallet reduced slightly.
General (Boots)
Movement Speed
Boots give 25 less movement speed across the board.
All champions have had their base movement speed increased by 25.
Tier 2 boots can be enchanted, upgrading them to a Tier 3 boot for some gold.
Homeguard: Provides powerful regeneration and movement speed at fountain.
Furor: Increased movement speed in combat.
Captain: Increases movement speed of allies moving toward you.
Distortion: Decreases cooldown of Ghost, Teleport and Flash.
Alacrity: Grants a small additional base movement speed bonus.
Removed
The following items are no longer available and items that built out of them have had their recipes changed:
Meki Pendant, Regrowth Pendant, Force of Nature, Ionic Spark, Moonflair Spellblade, Cloak and Dagger, Elixir of Agility, Leviathan.
The following items are no longer available on Summoner's Rift and items that built out of them have had their recipes changed:
Heart of Gold
Reworked
Doran's Items
Doran's items have slightly less statistics but each has gained an additional passive
Doran's Blade
Has 0% Life Steal
Passive: Recovers a small amount of life on hit
Doran's Ring
Lost a little bit of regeneration.
Passive: Gain a small amount of mana on kill.
Doran's Shield
Lost some health regeneration and armor.
Unique Passive: Blocks a small amount of damage from champion basic attacks.
Giant's Belt
Slightly cheaper but grants less health.
Rageblade
Reworked to have a powerful attack speed, spell vamp and life steal boost when you are low on life.
Aegis of the Legion
Lost attack damage, gained health regeneration
Builds out of Emblem of Valor instead of Ruby Crystal.
Lich Bane
No longer grants magic resistance.
Now deals magic damage equal to a base damage plus a percentage of your AP ratio.
Vamp Scepter
Now builds out of a long sword and grants attack damage.
All items that build out of Vamp Scepter now grants attack damage.
Zeke's Herald
No longer grants attack speed or builds out of a dagger.
Avarice Blade
Gives less critical strike
Grants an additional 2 gold per kill.
Hextech Gunblade
Active has had its base damage reduced and now has an AP ratio.
Single target attacks and spells versus champions reduce the cooldown of the active by 3 seconds.
Phantom Dancer
Grants less move speed and less attack speed.
Grants 'Ignore Unit Collision' passively.
Shurelya's Reverie
Grants far less regeneration statistics total.
Eleisa's Miracle
Does not grant Tenacity
Lowers Heal, Clairvoyance and Revive cooldowns by 20%
Gaining 3 levels with the item gives you the stats and passive permanently and the item disappears from your inventory.
Black Cleaver
Remade
Builds out of Brutalizer + other items
Dealing Physical damage reduces a % of the target's armor.
Youmu's Ghostblade
Active simplified - 6 for melee, 4 for ranged.
Active cooldown reduced to 45 from 60.
Warmog's Armor
Stacking passive removed.
Now regenerates 1.5% of your maximum health every 5 seconds.
Deathfire's Grasp
Remade
Now builds out of Needlessly Large Rod and an Amplifying Tome.\
Grants large amounts of AP and CDR%.
Unique Active: Deals 15% of the target's maximum health and amplifies magic damage done to the target by 20% for 4 seconds.
Warden's Mail
Recipe: Cloth Armor + Cloth Armor
Passive no longer random - but the effects are reduced.
No longer grants regeneration.
Warden's mail only reduces attack speed.
Builds into Frozen Heart.
Randuin's Omen
Passive no longer random - but the effects are reduced.
Randuin's Omen will reduce attack speed and movement speed.
Base duration on active increased to 2 seconds from 1.
Tears of the Goddess
Slightly cheaper
Now triggers when you spend mana as well as spellcasts.
Archangel's Staff
Upgrades into Seraph's Embrace when the Tears of the Goddess passive is fully charge.
Seraph's Embrace
Activate to shield yourself for 25% of your current mana for 2.5 seconds.
Manamune
Upgrades into Muramana when the Tears of the Goddess passive is fully charged.
Muramana
Toggle to deal a % of your current mana in magic damage on basic attacks and spells.
Tiamat
Melee only
Now a Unique Passive with a larger splash radius and damage falloff near the edge.
Now has an active: Activate to cleave in a large area around your target.
Consumables
Oracle Elixir
Duration capped at 5 minutes.
Elixir of Strength
Duration reduced to 3 minutes
Slightly stronger effect at early levels.
Elixir of Brilliance
Duration reduced to 3 minutes.
Slightly stronger effect at early levels.
New Items
Kage's Last Breath
Supportive Peel/Initiation Item
Recipe: Kage's Lucky Pick, Mana Manipulator
Keeps G/10 Passive.
Active: Target ally gets a 30% slow aura for 3 seconds - 60 second cooldown.
Liandry's Lament
Controlled Burn Mage Item
Recipe*:* Haunting Guise, Amplifying Tome
Passive: Dealing spell damage burns enemies for a % of their current life over 3 seconds. This effect deals double damage if the target's movement is impaired.
Statikk Shiv
High Speed / Burst Damage Item
Recipe*:* Zeal, Avarice Blade
Passive: Moving or Attacking builds static charges. At 100 charges, your next attack unleashes all charges to deal 100 magic to up to 4 targets. This effect benefits from critical strikes.
Frozen Fist
Resistance oriented version of Sheen
Recipe: Sheen + Glacial Shroud
Passive: After using an ability, your next attack deals physical damage equal to 125% of your base attack damage to surrounding enemies. This leaves an icy field that slows enemy movement speed by X% for Y seconds.
Bloody Hydra
High End Attack Damage / Area of Effect Item
Recipe: Tiamat + Vamp Scepter
Passive: Tiamat's active and passive now benefits from a percentage of your life steal.
Mercurial Scimitar
High End Magic Resistance / Attack Damage Item
Recipe: Quicksilver Sash + B.F. Sword
Active: Cleanses all debuffs from your character. If your character is melee, he gains 100% movement speed for 1 second.
Ohmwrecker
High End Siege Item
Recipe:Catalyst + Chain Vest
Active: Disables nearby enemy towers for 2.5 seconds, preventing them from attacking.
Wraith Collar
Supportive Scouting Item
Recipe: Kage's Pick + Null Magic Mantle
Active: Summons 2 wraiths for 6 seconds that seek the nearest enemy champions. If they reach an enemy champion, they slow him and reveal him for 2.5 seconds.
Hurricane
Ranged-Only Area of Effect Item
Recipe: Dagger + Recurve Bow + Dagger
Passive: Your shots fire two secondary ghostly bolts that deal X + 50% of your attack damage to nearby targets. These cannot critically strike but apply on-hit effects.
Zephyr
High End Speed Item
Recipe*:* Stinger + Long Sword
Grants Attack Speed, Cooldown Reduction, Movement Speed, Attack Speed and Tenacity.
Banner of Command
Siege Mage Item
Recipe: Blasting Wand + Emblem of Valor
Unique Aura: Grants health regeneration to nearby allies
Unique Aura: Grants % damage to nearby minions.
Active: Promotes a nearby siege minion to a super minion. You get all the gold from this minion's kills - 120 second cooldown.
Sword of the Divine
Rapid Burst Attack Damage Item
Recipe: Recurve Bow + Dagger
Active: You gain 100% attack speed and 100% critical strike for 4 seconds or 3 critical strikes - 25 second cooldown. This item gives no attack speed while on cooldown.
Passive: Kills and assists halve this item's cooldown.
Mikael's Crucible
High Tier Supportive Item
Recipe: Chalice + Sapphire Crystal
Passive: Increases mana regeneration based on missing mana.
Active: Removes stuns, roots, silences, slows, fears and taunts from an ally and then heals them for X + Y% of their missing health - 3 minute cooldown.
Consumables
Sight Stone
Supportive Ward Item
+X Health
Passive: Starts with 4 charges, charges refill when you go back to fountain.
Active: Consumes a charge to place a sight ward that lasts 3 minutes. You may have a maximum of 2 wards from the item at once
Ruby Sight Stone
Supportive Ward Item
Recipe*: Sight Stone* + Ruby Crystal
Passive: Starts with 5 charges, charges refill when you go back to fountain.
Active: Consumes a charge to place a sight ward that lasts 3 minutes. You may have a maximum of 3 wards from the item at once
Leaden Crystal Flask
Supportive Regeneration Item
Passive: Starts with 3 charges, charges refill when you go back to fountain.
Active: Consume a charge to regenerate 100 health and 40 mana over 10 seconds.
Also I really really like the Hurricane so far. Take away Teemo's Madreds? Bring in Sword of the Ruined King and Hurricane to just put him forward more.
And Summoner spells.
Summoner Spells
Newly available
Barrier is now available on all maps to give players a selfish defensive option
Values rebalanced accordingly
Cooldown increased
Duration and damage absorbed reduced
Modified
Exhaust's values have been modified to reduce its impact on melee champs and increase its visibility
Physical damage reduction reduced, but now also reduces attack speed
Clairvoyance has been modified to focus more on hitting clairvoyance on players rather than zoning them out of an area
Improved clairvoyance now reveals champions hit by clairvoyance for the duration even if they walk out of the circle
Radius, duration, and cooldown modified as well
Clarity has been modified to restore mana based on mana pool rather than a flat value
Heal has been tuned to be a team supporting defensive option
Allies are now healed for the same amount as the caster
Health values and cooldown have been retuned accordingly
Flash, Ignite, and Revive have also had minor changes
JohnnoM wrote: No more heart of gold in 5v5? NNONONONONONONO!!!!!!!!!!
That's an odd decision too. Not sure why they made it. Heart of Gold was one of the more pricy Gp5 items (is it the most expensive?) and some top laners really needed it.
Well the new champ seems interesting, probably more so to me because it's another support. Which is like increasing my champion choices from 5 or so to 6.
Good job lol. AAAARRRGGGHHH! Just had the worst game. First off, there were 3 AP and 2 AD carries on my team, secondly two of the idiot ap carries went BOT together, leaving me, graves, with a yi on top. Then they all kept saying " oh its late, 10 o'clock im falling asleep." They fed teemo of all people. Yay.
I love this game. Sure, you get your occasional jerks- but last night I had a lovely hour long game where my carry and I were getting demolished by unanswered quad ganks despite my wards, and I ended up complementing the excellent Leona and Nunu who had made that possible. 40 minutes of friendly banter, and honest recognition of great plays later, we managed to defeat them thanks to our jungle Rammus, and his excellent synergy with my Lulu.
The highlight was definitely a fight around baron which devastated our teams. They had two under 20% heroes beating on Rammus, who was covering our escape, and I had made it to safety with very little life- all others were dead. Seeing Rammus still in danger, I ran back, shielded him and got off glitterlance and a whimsy on the jax before nunu killed me. It was enough, and he got both of them, with maybe 100 hp left.
I just couldn't honor everyone but our Graves enough- he was trying to surrender at 20.
n0t_u wrote: So anyone else having fun with life steal before they nerf it for seaon three? Screwing around with Fiora and only the fountain could kill me.
Wait didn't life-steal already get a Nerf several months ago? I mean some champs (like ad carries) depend on life-steal for survival and sustaining power, I don't think riot should be fething around with this. Most of the game is fine just add a few new items that's all the game needs.
Cheesecat wrote: Wait didn't life-steal already get a Nerf several months ago? I mean some champs (like ad carries) depend on life-steal for survival and sustaining power, I don't think riot should be fething around with this. Most of the game is fine just add a few new items that's all the game needs.
That's part of the reason their nerfing it. Riot wants to kill the glass canon builds (double dancers) and force carries to build more defense items and rely less on life steal. It's a good change imo. Especially because if an ad carry gets very fed in early game they snow ball insanely hard and with enough life steal negate Thornmail the only counter to such a situation. (This is also of course why they're nerfing armor penetration).
It may also be to force in more AP as most team compositions will favor AD damage. Such a change may potentially increase the viability of some under used champions.
Cheesecat wrote: Wait didn't life-steal already get a Nerf several months ago? I mean some champs (like ad carries) depend on life-steal for survival and sustaining power, I don't think riot should be fething around with this. Most of the game is fine just add a few new items that's all the game needs.
That's part of the reason their nerfing it. Riot wants to kill the glass canon builds (double dancers) and force carries to build more defense items and rely less on life steal. It's a good change imo. Especially because if an ad carry gets very fed in early game they snow ball insanely hard and with enough life steal negate Thornmail the only counter to such a situation. (This is also of course why they're nerfing armor penetration).
It may also be to force in more AP as most team compositions will favor AD damage. Such a change may potentially increase the viability of some under used champions.
But that's a bad idea because ad carries should only have 1 or 2 defense items, the whole point is to do a ton of ad damage having to focus more on defense will make them less powerful damage wise and less suited for their intended role plus it could kill the entire ad class and everyone
just ends up building there carries like fighters.
Cheesecat wrote: Wait didn't life-steal already get a Nerf several months ago? I mean some champs (like ad carries) depend on life-steal for survival and sustaining power, I don't think riot should be fething around with this. Most of the game is fine just add a few new items that's all the game needs.
That's part of the reason their nerfing it. Riot wants to kill the glass canon builds (double dancers) and force carries to build more defense items and rely less on life steal. It's a good change imo. Especially because if an ad carry gets very fed in early game they snow ball insanely hard and with enough life steal negate Thornmail the only counter to such a situation. (This is also of course why they're nerfing armor penetration).
It may also be to force in more AP as most team compositions will favor AD damage. Such a change may potentially increase the viability of some under used champions.
But that's a bad idea because ad carries should only have 1 or 2 defense items, the whole point is to do a ton of ad damage having to focus more on defense will make them less powerful damage wise and less suited for their intended role plus it could kill the entire ad class and everyone
just ends up building there carries like fighters.
Except many people don't build ANY defense items at all unless they did poorly in lane. Because of life steal and double dancers, so long as the ad carry isn't being taken out by someone like warwick or riven, they able to steam roll a team with Infinity Edge, Bloodthirster, Dancer, Dancer, Last Whisper (which is 5 items). Provided their team has enough CC they don't even have to worry about the bruisers and assassins designed to take them out. It's produced a very linear meta for ADC that Riot's been trying to get rid of for awhile now.
Cheesecat wrote: Wait didn't life-steal already get a Nerf several months ago? I mean some champs (like ad carries) depend on life-steal for survival and sustaining power, I don't think riot should be fething around with this. Most of the game is fine just add a few new items that's all the game needs.
That's part of the reason their nerfing it. Riot wants to kill the glass canon builds (double dancers) and force carries to build more defense items and rely less on life steal. It's a good change imo. Especially because if an ad carry gets very fed in early game they snow ball insanely hard and with enough life steal negate Thornmail the only counter to such a situation. (This is also of course why they're nerfing armor penetration).
It may also be to force in more AP as most team compositions will favor AD damage. Such a change may potentially increase the viability of some under used champions.
But that's a bad idea because ad carries should only have 1 or 2 defense items, the whole point is to do a ton of ad damage having to focus more on defense will make them less powerful damage wise and less suited for their intended role plus it could kill the entire ad class and everyone
just ends up building there carries like fighters.
Except many people don't build ANY defense items at all unless they did poorly in lane. Because of life steal and double dancers, so long as the ad carry isn't being taken out by someone like warwick or riven, they able to steam roll a team with Infinity Edge, Bloodthirster, Dancer, Dancer, Last Whisper (which is 5 items). Provided their team has enough CC they don't even have to worry about the bruisers and assassins designed to take them out. It's produced a very linear meta for ADC that Riot's been trying to get rid of for awhile now.
See that's the problem right there, it isn't that ranged adc's are op it's that too much CC will shut down anyone.
It wasn't that ADCs are op, it's that that level of life steal combined with their fragility sort of is. ADCs like Graves who are also somewhat tanky being able to break from a fight on about 20%, clear a jungle camp, and then engage the fight again on about 80%.
n0t_u wrote: It wasn't that ADCs are op, it's that that level of life steal combined with their fragility sort of is. ADCs like Graves who are also somewhat tanky being able to break from a fight on about 20%, clear a jungle camp, and then engage the fight again on about 80%.
Not if you focus the ranged adc, and if your team has any sense then they should be focusing the carries. And you want Ranged adc's to be regenerating there health quickly through life-steal anyways because they have a small hp pool.
I don't think this is the Sue Nami patch. This is LoL , 3rd edition. With newer and improveder jungle (for reals this time). Also many, many new items, some of the more obscure of the old ones retired, etc etc.
I like it. It's now very much like old Dota but with some more predictability in some cases. It's too early to tell about all the items, but they at least tried to make every item you buy have use (unlike last time around where some items were very much useless).
Gitzbitah wrote: I don't think this is the Sue Nami patch. This is LoL , 3rd edition. With newer and improveder jungle (for reals this time). Also many, many new items, some of the more obscure of the old ones retired, etc etc.
Nope, still preseason. There are still changes to come before the actual third season kicks off.
I've tried Teemo with a completely new build. It's surprisingly fun. Shrooms hit so hard now.
Has anyone seen the new Ward item? Glowstone or somesuch, it gives you 100 health + 4 charges of wards that recharge everytime you recall. Plus you can have 2 down at once. It also builds into a Ruby whatever with 5 ward charges and you can put 4 down at once, with 300 health also.
I think it was 3 wards for the ruby. It's alright, but not that great. The problem with it is its cost compared with when it's useful. For a support using normal wards is still better until the mid game where if can be afforded, but is now worse than just buying normal wards.
Some people man, they KS you all game, hog the cs, cause you to be so underfed you cant 1v1 a friggin AD carry as tanky darius, and proceed to say your feeding.
UPDATE:
OMG jungling is easy as now! I could go through both jungles as warwick with only 5 pots and the machete thingy.
Interface seems pretty noob friendly - adds lots to the new player but makes little difference for the experienced player. Boxes at the bottom of the screen seem a little bit more obtrusive and impact on bushes when in bottom lane, or am I just being sensitive?
New shop menu seems ok, better to flicking between menus for sure. Beserkers greaves are 20 gold cheaper, but haven't really looked much at the enchantment yet. Tears of the goddess seems a nice early buy for mages. Plenty to look at still.
Love the new masteries. So-so on the UI. I hate the new store. Because of its structure it takes me longer to get to an item if its at the bottom of the list.
Looking for like minded individuals to start playing PvP beginner games. Just need practice without getting yelled and a group that can regularly log on together learn from mistakes. If this interests you add me cerealkiller195
The one thing I'm still waiting for is an Item library built into the client. Especially with all these new items, it would be nice to acclimate myself with everything without actually being in a game.
LordofHats wrote: The one thing I'm still waiting for is an Item library built into the client. Especially with all these new items, it would be nice to acclimate myself with everything without actually being in a game.
Have been LoLing for a bit now, just a few bot matches a day. Played (in order) Sejuani, Maokai, Gangplank, Nasus and Singed ... but I'm focusing on Nasus for now and enjoying him. Think it's time to step out into the PvP world though, most likely to get yelled at
MrDwhitey wrote:You'll definitely get yelled at playing Nasus
Yessssssssssss ...
LordofHats wrote:Either for not farming q enough, or for being op because you're two shotting the enemy team's carries
Better players seem to get what Nasus needs to do, either giving me solo top or not kvetching when I farm forever, despite team fight phase beginning. Though I need more practice solo topping still, tend to get overwhelmed and not get any farm in until they get distracted with mid shenanigans.
Nasus is a one man team basically. You'll spend a majority of the game in the top lane farming like crazy. When the 40 minute marke rolls around you can basically 1v3-5 the enemy team. If you split push at this point while your team distracts the enemy it's not hard for a Nasus to push from the outer tower all the way to the inhibitor.
n0t_u wrote: Also last champ of the year; Vi, the Piltover Enforcer (pronounced Vye).
Only if you're American son.
Maybe, but that's how they said it's pronounced. I think it's easier to just go with like the whole Needalee thing; pronunciation existed before the spelling and they had the forum decide.
Oh which reminds me gunblade sort of stacks again. Any of you seen the fun of the 5 gunblade Nasus? His ult heals him outdoing most damage. He has enough steal to heal himself to full at least twice from 0 with 1 Q.
I might try that sometime lol. Btw, what do you guys think of support Singed? I thought about it, and atleast the way I play him, he is quite supporty. If you want I'll explain it further.
He can do it but its a horrible waste of Singed. Sure he's not stacking huge amounts of damage anyway, but is ability to initiate is strong, his DoT does hurt in team fights, and the ability to just run while at low health poisoning the enemy team and not die is a huge boon for him.
A singed who supports will have no money, and will not deal any damage and I don't think fling and his slow offer enough utility to warrant using him in that roll over Nunu, Leona, or Taric. He'll either die achieving nothing, or be completely ignored because he just isn't that threatening.
No problem boss anyone can add me I leave the game on sometimes so if I don't respond keep trying or ill get back to you. I have a laid back group sometimes we test builds in bot games but then go play 5v5 in blind pick.
Usually play top don't know why I can't shake the fighter /melee types. I am somewhat intimidated by jungling lol
Well yeh... It's mostly because I'm our support and they want to mix it up sometimes with a kill lane. I'd do better at top, but our top jungles worse than my abysmal attempts. I think it's because I learnt a lot about jungling to help my support role.
At least I managed to get them over the idea of jungle Teemo before S2 ended...
My position is that Diana isn't Op. She's just as face roll as face roll gets (so is Vi for that matter). it would take quite the feat to fail at playing Diana. W -> Q -> R -> E -> Repeat till dead.
She's no where near as strong as a properly played Riven, Garen, or Darius (all champions who fill the same basic role) so why she got nerfed over them baffles me. She's just easy to play so any idiot can do it.
Krellnus wrote: Hey, stonewall008 lost all faith in the game when he found he do a legit jungle teemo in the s3 jungle.
That tempts me in a way. I know if you have a decent Teemo at top you can forget about counter jungling that half. The main issue I had with him was his clear speed and that he needed a partner to carry him for the first round. 4 mins is the, or was the, time to aim for. Under and it's awesome, over and it's not really.
Once he got past that though; Super Jungler Roamer Teemo. Until Taric realises he's Taric and stuns you.
I don't even advocate nerfing Darius to be honest. I prefer buffing weak champions over nerfing strong ones.
I'm just pointed out that comparatively Darius when in the hands of a capable player performs better than Diana in the same role (not that Diana is a weak performer herself). EDIT: Assuming Diana was built to bruise and clean up after team fights (which is what I think she's best at). Assassin Diana if she snowballs can be really hard to manage mid-game.
Well I've experimenting with jungle Vi now... it works for some reason.
Comboing her Q and ulti together are quite fun. Have the ability to enter the lane for a gank like Lee Sin pretty much, but while yelling "get dunked".
Vi has awesome strong ganks. Her downside is that I think she literally has the lowest base attack speed in the game so early on she needs hard leash on wolves and blue to get by. Once she's started racking up some g though she can power on through with the best of the speed junglers and has much more reliable ganks than some of them.
Her Q fully charged has pretty much the same range as Lee Sin's kick. She can also solo jungle if she starts at blue instead of wolves.
I've had to more or less practice without leashes at the moment, but starting wolves instead seems to bring her a bit low for my liking.
The trick to her seems to be getting that E timing just right to speed up her attacks as it resets it. I got my clear time down to about 4 mins and it seems to just stick around that which isn't so bad. One thing I like too is that Q will apply on hits to everything it hits and if they're standing close enough it can hit multiple people. Just means I can Q through a wave to hit the target and have red buff going on so many things at once.
Her weakness, to me, though is staying with the target. I want to try something like Trinity, but she seems to need Frozen Mallet for the reliable slows. Her ult has to be one of the most fun skills in the game as well.
One last thing to remember is that passive. Just left a team fight and ignite will probably kill you? E a minion to proc your passive shield and all good. Even Qing through them for escapes. Nothing like leaving a fight on 20 and being able to just go to the wraith camp and clear it at about level 10.
Topping with Nasus last night, our VI wandered up and wanted to push. I had to whine and beg her to leave so I could farm - her Q + E combo nukes waves pretty ridiculously
Otherwise she was totally awesome to have on our side
after a few games of facing off against vi (usually as malph) i think she is great for 1v1 or picking off isolated targets. But doesn't offer much in the way of a team fight.
Gitzbitah wrote: He has kind of disappeared, hasn't he? Was it the new items that did it, or has one of the new releases outclassed him? I've never played him myself.
He has good jungle clearing and damage, but but bear stance doesn't get him into battle quick enough and enemy cc makes it too hard to stay on the squishie when the stun of bear stance is gone, unlike hecarim's charges, warwick's ult or lee sin's sonic wave which are way harder to
My best champions are Hecarim, Maokai and Malphite. However I've recently been dabbling with Nidalee and her spear chucks from hell. Ever want to hit me up for a game my profile name is Ghostyfish.
My best champions are Hecarim, Maokai and Malphite. However I've recently been dabbling with Nidalee and her spear chucks from hell. Ever want to hit me up for a game my profile name is Ghostyfish.
Wont you be on the EU servers though? Most of the people here are on US servers so I never play with them.
Also I just found out that Vi's Q will stop a flying Shyvana. Sort of expected it to, but still fun to watch happen.
There are some really funny things that can happen. Examples:
Two Alistars who W each other will simply switch places
Lee Sins can ult each other and both will be knocked away. They can also use Q to trade places or sometimes they just collide into one another.
Any champion with a targeted gap closer (Pantheon's W, Vi's ult, Alistars W, and Leona's E as well) if latency works out for it can follow their target through a flash. Its possible for this to extend the range of the ability outside of its normal range. This can also effect Malzhar's ultimate and extend his ultimate past its normal range.
It can technically seem to work for nearly any attack in the game, some are just more prone to the effect than others. Some hilarious stuff indeed happens.
And one of my favorites. Pantheon v Pantheon both trying to execute his combo and ending up stunning one another at the same time.
There's also the fun of some knock ups stacking. Janna's tornado and Wukong's ulti for example. Combine this with Darius' ulti and prepare to laugh as he will actually jump up to their height and kill them mid air.
On another interesting note has anyone noticed some... Unusual effects of Vi's ultimate?
Case and point: Twice I have jungled Vi against a team with an Ashe. I got for the Ashe at the start of every fight using my ult to close in, followed by Falcon Punch, Falcon Kick, a Second Falcon punch and she's usually dead by then.
Now the weird part: Both Ashes would fire their ultimate at my team just as the fights started and I came at them. The arrow would fly through me, do nothing (which kind of makes sense?) but THEN the arrows would fly through every member of my team doing nothing.
I checked and players on both teams noticed this. Anyone else seen this happen?
While playing Vi I've also noticed Nid's spears fly through me doing no damage and not registering a hit.
You need to report this ASAP, until then take advantage lol. I've noticed that her ult doesn't actually do any damage until the very end, which can be a not so good thing.
I would report it if I could confirm it but I've tested it with friends in custom games and have had trouble replicating the effect. It only happens to me in those two games and they were both normals so I need Ashe's to pop up more XD
I want to jungle again in the new jungle but I don't know which Jungler I should pick. My best junglers last season was: Malphite, Mundo, Jarvan. Which one out of those should I pick?
Malphite and Mundo got a little harder to jungle so if you haven't done the new Jungle yet I wouldn't do them. Jarvan stayed about the same so I'd roll him. Mave sure to use your Q -> E combo to go through walls to jungle faster and switch targets to make use of your passive.
LordofHats wrote: Malphite and Mundo got a little harder to jungle so if you haven't done the new Jungle yet I wouldn't do them. Jarvan stayed about the same so I'd roll him. Mave sure to use your Q -> E combo to go through walls to jungle faster and switch targets to make use of your passive.
I went Dr Mundo and I went 6/0/14 in a normal game. My team invaded and ruined Ammumu's jungle by taking his blue.
If Mundo works for you I've never managed to do him well myself. But yeah that would do it. An invade can ruin Amumu for the rest of the game if successful. He needs that blue badly, and has no early game killing power.
I hate when I set up to jungle Amumu and nobody defends the invade. Happens so much, people should know better. Same with Skarner, hard to start a Skarner route with no blue.
Amumu is an extremely powerful champion and almost any team set up can make use of him (Skarner is extremely situational because he's really blue dependent in early game and easily countered in the lanes or the jungle). What you really need when picking Amumu is a team that is capable of defending against an invade. If the team is strong enough at level one, most enemy teams won't even try cause the risk is too high. Though honestly a team with no defense against an invade has screwed itself.
Yeah. That is true. Nobody seems to try and invade a Volibear jungle though... My little brother mains Voli jungles and he wins a majority of his games. I don't understand why people play Voli stop instead of jungle...
Depending on the top Voli can outright destroy his opponent. Low damage tops like Shen can't do much against him. He just pushes them around until he wins and his abilities make ganking him difficult. That said though Voli is very very easily countered. Karthus, Teemo, pretty much anyone who can slow him or out run him will beat him in a fight or render him near useless to his team.
Its because Voli is so easily countered. Never take him in normals, as you're almost assured to see someone who counters him on the enemy team (Karthus, Teemo, EZ). There's also one super counter who is very popular. Vayne. Voli wants to stack health. It's how he wrecks in mid game and carries his team into late. Vayne completely destroys him because of her true damage that is also %health.
I started jungling with Udyr just the other day, he is an incredible champion. His turtle stance helps keep his health up after grinding minions for long periods of time, his bear stance makes him go faster and will stun, and his tiger stance deals a load of damage and increases his attack speed. Once he gets going he is unstoppable. You can dive a turret without sweating early to mid game.
I was taking on enemy champions 2 on 1, and I could kill the squishy one and run out safely before the other killed me, because udyr is so tanky and fast.
I just DL the game this morning and played for a little bit for the first time ever. Pretty neat game so far. Though I feel like Ive no clue at all what Im doing.
KingCracker wrote: I just DL the game this morning and played for a little bit for the first time ever. Pretty neat game so far. Though I feel like Ive no clue at all what Im doing.
Yeah it has a pretty steep learning curve if you haven't played DOTA.
KingCracker wrote: Yea, Im slowly getting it, and getting better. I was called a noob on my 2nd game, by a guy that did much worse then I did So theres that
I like to think of LoL as a skin thickening device
KingCracker wrote: Yea, Im slowly getting it, and getting better. I was called a noob on my 2nd game, by a guy that did much worse then I did So theres that
Yeah, you'll learn very quickly that lol has a horrid community.
Don't forget to like them on facebook for free Tristana, and I think youtube for free Alistair- it only says a skin, but that also unlocks the champion for you.
Looks like the next champion is one you will not like if you don't like Leona according to Certainly T- I'm thrilled about him/her/it.
Hell yea it is. I started racking up kills towards the end when his spells were maxed. His ultimate is frigging crazy! Ive turned entire assaults using that. 1 hit and if the guy isnt dead, he is certainly running for the hills
Yeah. Veiger is the AP nasus. If he gets his way throughout early game (which given his skills isn't too hard so long as he isn't countered) he's going to start nuking people in the blink of an eye.
But he gets so easily countered. Spreading the gospel truth, AP Malphite is the hidden OP. It only occurred to me that his Q and ult are 1 for 1 scaled with AP, and his E is like 50% of AP. That and combined with the classic tankyness, and he can counter surprisingly well, especially seeing as his Q costs less than most other pokes in mid lane, and has a neat speed steal attached.
Oh the looks on the faces of Talons worldwide who go midlane and end up against a tank...
Got my wife to DL it and we played together a few times so she could get the swing of things. I dunno if she likes it or not. I kept telling her not to feel bad for getting her head kicked in at first, because of that learning curve.
ghosty wrote: But he gets so easily countered. Spreading the gospel truth, AP Malphite is the hidden OP. It only occurred to me that his Q and ult are 1 for 1 scaled with AP, and his E is like 50% of AP. That and combined with the classic tankyness, and he can counter surprisingly well, especially seeing as his Q costs less than most other pokes in mid lane, and has a neat speed steal attached.
Oh the looks on the faces of Talons worldwide who go midlane and end up against a tank...
AP Malphite falls off so hard late-game that it's almost not even worth it. Unless you do some work early on, he only remains useful for his ult.
Looks like Hecarim and Karthus somehow had a baby. The ally pulling looks useful, but the ally has to click the lantern to be pulled. This means like Nami, if it's a support you probably shouldn't take it to solo queue unless you're amazing with him.
OK since Im such a noob on this game, can you lot give me some general "what the hells?"
Like AP and so on? What exactly does that mean? And not just AP, but Ive seen others like CC and such, what do all those mean?
When on the loading screen, the one that shows everyones summoner loading. What are those numbers all about? Mine is always green, and around 88ish. OThers are yellows and reds and can be several hundreds. I saw a guy with red 999. Im sure this has nothing to do game wise, but its been in my head.
And how the fudge do you counter Evelyn? Someone used her in a match earlier today, and not a single person on my team could counter this chick. She had 29 kills with 0 deaths. Basically she would sneak in, and start CONSTANTLY shooting these spikes at us that would slow up down big time. And before you could really do anything, we were dead in a couple 2 or 3 hits. Ideas?! Other then her, we were doing really really well against the rest of the team, we nearly won infact. We would of for certain, but that chick was just the end all be all apparently.
KingCracker wrote: OK since Im such a noob on this game, can you lot give me some general "what the hells?"
Like AP and so on? What exactly does that mean? And not just AP, but Ive seen others like CC and such, what do all those mean?
When on the loading screen, the one that shows everyones summoner loading. What are those numbers all about? Mine is always green, and around 88ish. OThers are yellows and reds and can be several hundreds. I saw a guy with red 999. Im sure this has nothing to do game wise, but its been in my head.
AP = Ability Power, used for mages/casters/magic damage
AD = Attack Damage, straight forward physical damage
CC = Crowd Control, meaning anything that slows/stuns/knocks champs around
The number is your ping, or your connection to the server. The lower the better. If someone has a red 999, that's pretty bad, most likely a connection that's disconnecting at times.
And how the fudge do you counter Evelyn? Someone used her in a match earlier today, and not a single person on my team could counter this chick. She had 29 kills with 0 deaths. Basically she would sneak in, and start CONSTANTLY shooting these spikes at us that would slow up down big time. And before you could really do anything, we were dead in a couple 2 or 3 hits. Ideas?! Other then her, we were doing really really well against the rest of the team, we nearly won infact. We would of for certain, but that chick was just the end all be all apparently.
Pink wards (vision wards) can see cloaked items/champs. Use them when Twitch or Evelyn is being annoying or when Teemo's mushrooms are being frustrating. They're also good at counter warding so you can see the enemy sight/vision wards and kill them.
On another note, what champs are good at ADC in this new system? I'm having the hardest time getting a champ for that role since I started playing again a couple weeks ago.
So, with Ezreal being free this week I've taken a step beyond just learning how to play him, I also decided that I wanted to learn how to smart cast as well. Mostly because I could feel the delays hurting me in my casting times for Ezreal's abilites....
Wow, what was I doing before? Smartcasting is the coolest thing ever. Easily takes the fraction of a second away that was messing me up and after my first few minutes of doing that I find it almost impossible to go back!
ghosty wrote: Trick to beating Eve is either a massive damage burst, so like Veigars Ult, or poking at her from far away.
But I understand, she can be a real pain.
CC helps too.
I was in a match this morning against another Evelyn build. I did much better this time around, since it wasnt such a WTF shock. I even beat the hooker a couple times as well. Granted, I could tell the player wasnt nearly as good as the first one, but still, she was doing some hulk smashing against the others at times.
ALSO I played against another Veigar user as well. The guy scored like 17 kills during our game, which surprised the hell out of me, as I typically get 7 or so currently. BUT the fun part is, everytime we would go toe to toe, Id kill him
ghosty wrote: Trick to beating Eve is either a massive damage burst, so like Veigars Ult, or poking at her from far away.
But I understand, she can be a real pain.
CC helps too.
I was in a match this morning against another Evelyn build. I did much better this time around, since it wasnt such a WTF shock. I even beat the hooker a couple times as well. Granted, I could tell the player wasnt nearly as good as the first one, but still, she was doing some hulk smashing against the others at times.
ALSO I played against another Veigar user as well. The guy scored like 17 kills during our game, which surprised the hell out of me, as I typically get 7 or so currently. BUT the fun part is, everytime we would go toe to toe, Id kill him
What's your full build look like with Veigar anyway KC? Some run a Muramana on him for the upgraded form which doubles his single target spell damage by consuming a tiny bit more mana.
n0t_u wrote: What's your full build look like with Veigar anyway KC? Some run a Muramana on him for the upgraded form which doubles his single target spell damage by consuming a tiny bit more mana.
Muramana? What is this crazy lingo you keep using?!
Erm, I saw a review that showed to buy sorcerer boots, void staff and some hat, that gives you a gak load of armor pen. If thats what your talking about. But I dunno, it takes WAY to long to purchase those, and by the time I can afford everything, the tanks have far too much health to really do anything, so I ignore them unless they are almost dead. I can take out other ranged and mages rather well though by then.
The champ that you think looks the most fun to play.
Agreed here. I looked at the list and saw Veigar on there, and I have this quirky side where I love EBIL small things that look cute but are ebil...for realz. So I saved and bought him. Absolutely love the guy
"Im REALLY evil!..............what? STOP LAUGHING AT ME!!"
n0t_u wrote: What's your full build look like with Veigar anyway KC? Some run a Muramana on him for the upgraded form which doubles his single target spell damage by consuming a tiny bit more mana.
Muramana? What is this crazy lingo you keep using?!
Erm, I saw a review that showed to buy sorcerer boots, void staff and some hat, that gives you a gak load of armor pen. If thats what your talking about. But I dunno, it takes WAY to long to purchase those, and by the time I can afford everything, the tanks have far too much health to really do anything, so I ignore them unless they are almost dead. I can take out other ranged and mages rather well though by then.
Those are good anyway. Muramana is just a bit gimmicky and builds out of a tear. Something that could be worth looking at as well are:
Deathfire Grasp
Liandry's Torment
More or less you have a couple of core items like that hat and sorcerer boots and a few options you use to adjust to how the game is panning out. Both of those link to the wiki pages for them, but Deathfire Grasp is to be used at the start of your combo it'll do 15% of the targets maximum health as damage and then for the next 4 seconds your other spells will do 20% more damage to them. Liandry's will give you some more magic penetration and health, but also every one of your spells sets off it's effect which will burn them for 5% of their current health over 3 seconds (halved for your AOE attack), if you also throw in a Rylai's which slows people hit by your abilities you end up doubling the effect of Liandry.
Liandry's is a little more situational, but for a while many have seen Deathfire as one of those items Veigar tends to love to grab at some point.
n0t_u wrote: What's your full build look like with Veigar anyway KC? Some run a Muramana on him for the upgraded form which doubles his single target spell damage by consuming a tiny bit more mana.
Muramana? What is this crazy lingo you keep using?!
Erm, I saw a review that showed to buy sorcerer boots, void staff and some hat, that gives you a gak load of armor pen. If thats what your talking about. But I dunno, it takes WAY to long to purchase those, and by the time I can afford everything, the tanks have far too much health to really do anything, so I ignore them unless they are almost dead. I can take out other ranged and mages rather well though by then.
Those are good anyway. Muramana is just a bit gimmicky and builds out of a tear. Something that could be worth looking at as well are:
Deathfire Grasp
Liandry's Torment
More or less you have a couple of core items like that hat and sorcerer boots and a few options you use to adjust to how the game is panning out. Both of those link to the wiki pages for them, but Deathfire Grasp is to be used at the start of your combo it'll do 15% of the targets maximum health as damage and then for the next 4 seconds your other spells will do 20% more damage to them. Liandry's will give you some more magic penetration and health, but also every one of your spells sets off it's effect which will burn them for 5% of their current health over 3 seconds (halved for your AOE attack), if you also throw in a Rylai's which slows people hit by your abilities you end up doubling the effect of Liandry.
Liandry's is a little more situational, but for a while many have seen Deathfire as one of those items Veigar tends to love to grab at some point.
Ahh Deathfire grasp, I have used that a few times actually, its pretty brutal on tanks lol. Today I played my best game to date and our team lost lol. But I had more kills then ANYONE else playing, and only died 3 times. My kills were like 13 or 14. I felt like a total badass
n0t_u wrote: What's your full build look like with Veigar anyway KC? Some run a Muramana on him for the upgraded form which doubles his single target spell damage by consuming a tiny bit more mana.
Muramana? What is this crazy lingo you keep using?!
Erm, I saw a review that showed to buy sorcerer boots, void staff and some hat, that gives you a gak load of armor pen. If thats what your talking about. But I dunno, it takes WAY to long to purchase those, and by the time I can afford everything, the tanks have far too much health to really do anything, so I ignore them unless they are almost dead. I can take out other ranged and mages rather well though by then.
Those are good anyway. Muramana is just a bit gimmicky and builds out of a tear. Something that could be worth looking at as well are
Why are you recommending an AD item for an AP champ? Just because you're a more experienced player than KC doesn't mean you should take advantage of him and suggest items that have no synergy with his champs a better idea would be to recommend Seraph's Embrace.
n0t_u wrote: What's your full build look like with Veigar anyway KC? Some run a Muramana on him for the upgraded form which doubles his single target spell damage by consuming a tiny bit more mana.
Muramana? What is this crazy lingo you keep using?!
Erm, I saw a review that showed to buy sorcerer boots, void staff and some hat, that gives you a gak load of armor pen. If thats what your talking about. But I dunno, it takes WAY to long to purchase those, and by the time I can afford everything, the tanks have far too much health to really do anything, so I ignore them unless they are almost dead. I can take out other ranged and mages rather well though by then.
Those are good anyway. Muramana is just a bit gimmicky and builds out of a tear. Something that could be worth looking at as well are
Why are you recommending an AD item for an AP champ? Just because you're a more experienced player than KC doesn't mean you should take advantage of him and suggest items that have no synergy with his champs a better idea would be to recommend Seraph's Embrace.
Muramana? You should check the Toggle on that. I have seen many an AP Mid take that bad boy.
Also KC, some help you can listen to while playing. www.lowelo.com
It is free to play, but there is a microtransaction system you can use if you do want to pay. But you can get almost anything in the game just by playing and gaining points that way.
Alfndrate wrote: Is this game free to play, or do I have to pay for it?
Free to play, you can pay money for new champions/skins faster than earning them in game
Is it easy to pick up?
It can be intimidating at first, 100+ champs and a load of items mean there are a ridiculous number of build combinations. If you play it and enjoy the basics, then you just have to put the effort to get past that initial learning wall
Are there "training" missions i.e. can I play against and with bots to get the hang of the game before I play multiplayer?
Yes, there are also Player vs AI games that you won't be playing PVP but with human teammates to understand the pace of the game better but at some point the best way to learn is to just jump into PvP head first and learn it as you go.
n0t_u wrote: What's your full build look like with Veigar anyway KC? Some run a Muramana on him for the upgraded form which doubles his single target spell damage by consuming a tiny bit more mana.
Muramana? What is this crazy lingo you keep using?!
Erm, I saw a review that showed to buy sorcerer boots, void staff and some hat, that gives you a gak load of armor pen. If thats what your talking about. But I dunno, it takes WAY to long to purchase those, and by the time I can afford everything, the tanks have far too much health to really do anything, so I ignore them unless they are almost dead. I can take out other ranged and mages rather well though by then.
Those are good anyway. Muramana is just a bit gimmicky and builds out of a tear. Something that could be worth looking at as well are
Why are you recommending an AD item for an AP champ? Just because you're a more experienced player than KC doesn't mean you should take advantage of him and suggest items that have no synergy with his champs a better idea would be to recommend Seraph's Embrace.
Muramana? You should check the Toggle on that. I have seen many an AP Mid take that bad boy.
Also KC, some help you can listen to while playing. www.lowelo.com
That toggle is pretty good actually, but I think lich bane would do the job better.
Are there "training" missions i.e. can I play against and with bots to get the hang of the game before I play multiplayer?
Yes, there are also Player vs AI games that you won't be playing PVP but with human teammates to understand the pace of the game better but at some point the best way to learn is to just jump into PvP head first and learn it as you go.
I can get behind the jumping into PVP, but I'd rather not jump into a game immediately where people will yell at me for being a newb because I am a newb and raging because I haven't put years into the game.
heh. well, sort of fortunately, you will be yelled at for being a noob even after years in the game. Not because you are, but just because that's the community.
On the plus side, I'd say that any game in 'Dominion' mode is very friendly to new players. You get money and experience pumped into you, and you are basically trying to capture points on the map. It is fast paced, death doesn't matter nearly as much, and it only lasts 15- 30 minutes. I always start with a new champion in there.
Once you think you have an idea of how to fight with your champion, it is time to take your steps into the larger world by joining a 'vs bot' game. That will start training you to lane, work in different position, and give you some idea of what items you want to build. When you are comfortable with that, step on up to pvp, and watch the madness begin.
Are there "training" missions i.e. can I play against and with bots to get the hang of the game before I play multiplayer?
Yes, there are also Player vs AI games that you won't be playing PVP but with human teammates to understand the pace of the game better but at some point the best way to learn is to just jump into PvP head first and learn it as you go.
I can get behind the jumping into PVP, but I'd rather not jump into a game immediately where people will yell at me for being a newb because I am a newb and raging because I haven't put years into the game.
You will get put with lower level people at the start. So it is not a big deal, you will be playing with and against other lower levels. But I do recommend picking a handful of champs and getting used to their mechanics in an AI game before hand.
I also suggest listening to www.lowelo.com and joining their channel in the game. Lots of nice people willing to help and play games with you. Also a good idea, try a 100 game challenge with a champion that you have found you especially like.
Co-OP vs AI beginner is probably the friendliest place left in the game, besides custom games but those are like that because it's like sitting in a room by yourself.
Even after 2-3 years I get yelled at at times in normals, usually it tends to be people with less than 100 wins though. We can all still have off games or watch that caved in mid or top roll through the team.
I was just playing a game and they had darius top. I turret dived him while he had full health and killed him at level 8.
After I did it a second time he just quit top lane and for some reason their jungler didn't want to gank top lane, so I just farmed the entire game and in the end I joined a team fight and almost got a pentakill. I got the quadra and then someone on my team sniped the last guy -_-
I also started playing zilean, he is really funny. I love going over speed boosts on dominion then activating my e which makes me go faster. I got my speed up to 700 and something.
I don't mind getting called newb once I am decently proficient, I played wow for several years, and was a damn fine healer if I do say so myself. I remember getting beaten up by a death knight, and being able to heal through all of his attacks until he summoned a ghoul horde on me and I bubble hearthed. He made a horde alt just to call me a newb, I told him he wouldn't have done much to me without that ability. I couldn't help it I just wanted the ironforge special fish lol
Can anyone here play jayce? I tried him yesterday, and I dont think im that bad. I went up against a cho gath, and i ended up with something like 0/3/6 because i got double ksed by the support, and the only times i died was when i got ganked by the Khazix jungle.
Look at the champions that cost 450 IP or influence points. Influence points are one of the two in-game currency, you buy Rune points or RP, and earn IP or influence points by playing games.
JohnnoM wrote: Look at the champions that cost 450 IP or influence points. Influence points are one of the two in-game currency, you buy Rune points or RP, and earn IP or influence points by playing games.
That makes sense.
Thanks guys. I'm downloading it tonight while no one is awake. Probably won't get to play it till late Sunday.
Heres a tip that works well so far. Farm minions and pretty much run back from other summoners that try it with you for at least half the match. Not only does it keep your deaths way down, but you can whittle down the health of other summoners that try to hard and THATS when you drop the anvil on em. Most of the time, it works 40% of the time
JohnnoM wrote: Can anyone here play jayce? I tried him yesterday, and I dont think im that bad. I went up against a cho gath, and i ended up with something like 0/3/6 because i got double ksed by the support, and the only times i died was when i got ganked by the Khazix jungle.
Does anyone know how to escape as Jayce?
During laning you should ALWAYS be in cannon mode as it allows you to harass, gives you decent range, excellent poke and has a faster attack animation, making last hits easier. If ganked, merely start running, drop your acceleration gate and as you pass through your gate (not before) transform into hammer, there are few that are able to match that burst of speed with ghost and/or flash, by which time they have wasted it anyway as you are likely very near to your tower.
KingCracker wrote: Heres a tip that works well so far. Farm minions and pretty much run back from other summoners that try it with you for at least half the match. Not only does it keep your deaths way down, but you can whittle down the health of other summoners that try to hard and THATS when you drop the anvil on em. Most of the time, it works 40% of the time
Yep and as a fun fact 1 champion kill is worth 20 minion kills. But, the more a champion dies in a row the less gold they are worth until they get a kill to reset it.
Also eventually (as you won't have to worry about it just yet as usually earlier on and lower it seems to be more about killing the opponent than objectives) try to not just keep attacking the minions at times, you want to just kill them for the extra gold. As outdated as it is now, this is still my favourite tutorial animation.
Spending all my time Volibearing, but I still miss Nasus Expect I'll go back to him before too long - dat slow! - but I am enjoying playing somebody that doesn't rely on last hits, makes my games a little bit more varied ...
Today played Voli on bot with Ashe against Blitz and Vi, crushed the lane before bringing the mayhem elsewhere. Was surprised how squishy Vi is if you keep on top of her
KingCracker wrote: Heres a tip that works well so far. Farm minions and pretty much run back from other summoners that try it with you for at least half the match. Not only does it keep your deaths way down, but you can whittle down the health of other summoners that try to hard and THATS when you drop the anvil on em. Most of the time, it works 40% of the time
Yep and as a fun fact 1 champion kill is worth 20 minion kills. But, the more a champion dies in a row the less gold they are worth until they get a kill to reset it.
Also eventually (as you won't have to worry about it just yet as usually earlier on and lower it seems to be more about killing the opponent than objectives) try to not just keep attacking the minions at times, you want to just kill them for the extra gold. As outdated as it is now, this is still my favourite tutorial animation.
I remember when ranged adc's would go mid, man the times have changed. Also just tried Udyr solo top it's so much easier to lane with him over jungling as turtle stance gives him insane sustain and I find bear stance is too easy to escape from when jungling.
They have weekly free champs that you can pick from and play with, but obviously those only last the week. But thats plenty of time to save enough to buy a Champ for yourself. OR since you started a new account, you have just enough special cash to buy a cheapy. I bought Annie, wish I would of saved the cash though. She wasnt bad or anything, but still
KingCracker wrote: They have weekly free champs that you can pick from and play with, but obviously those only last the week. But thats plenty of time to save enough to buy a Champ for yourself. OR since you started a new account, you have just enough special cash to buy a cheapy. I bought Annie, wish I would of saved the cash though. She wasnt bad or anything, but still
KingCracker wrote: They have weekly free champs that you can pick from and play with, but obviously those only last the week. But thats plenty of time to save enough to buy a Champ for yourself. OR since you started a new account, you have just enough special cash to buy a cheapy. I bought Annie, wish I would of saved the cash though. She wasnt bad or anything, but still
So play with the free champs got it!
Basically, yes. They put an effort to make the free champs be of a decent variety, the selection able to fill all the major roles. You also can use it to find a champ you really like so you know what you're saving up for. This free week has been generous to me, I've been a fan of Blitz, Ezreal and Zyra and look forward to unlocking them in the near future.
KingCracker wrote: They have weekly free champs that you can pick from and play with, but obviously those only last the week. But thats plenty of time to save enough to buy a Champ for yourself. OR since you started a new account, you have just enough special cash to buy a cheapy. I bought Annie, wish I would of saved the cash though. She wasnt bad or anything, but still
Every game you play you gain ip aka influence points (you gain more ip from games you won) which can be spent on new champs or runes (but don't buy runes till your account is level 20, because 3rd tier runes are the best and spending ip on weaker runes is a waste of ip) so you don't
have to spend cash to buy riot points to use as spending money.
Arguably tier one runes can be worth it while you level. Tier two are never worth it and in most cases you're better going runeless until tier three. Then you want to build two generic pages based on the types you like to play by then, carry pages seem to be the cheapest as they overlap quite a bit.
Once you have the standards done you can branch off into specific rune pages, though they will also cover a few champions as well. Specific stuff like on Teemo you can run an AP carry page, but since he doesn't have mana issues the yellows can be traded for armour or health per level. Then it also covers manaless APs like Katarina, Kennen and Rumble.
Also, if you guys are interested at all, they are doing S3 qualifiers and they are up for free viewing on the website. You can see what Pro players build and it might give you ideas.
I second that. Watching pros playing gives you some great pointers. Like, if your running away from an enemy minion wave, you can still shoot, then run back, shoot, back, shoot. You can get a free minion kill some times.
Okay, so I ran through some of the tutorials, and I'm angry at the game. can you please tell me if it stops yelling at me whenever I get low health and when I'm attacking a turret in front of my minions? It kept up with these annoying popups and interrupted my flow of game play. Grrr... thanks game, I realize that my clicking is slightly off, and my minions are idiots.
Also I feel bad, playing the all bots with me as the only player, I only died three times, but at the same time I didn't manage to push through my lane to the nexus... I barely damaged the third turret :(
Steep learning curve, as mentioned. Also, Ill add that playing solo against a bot seems soo much harder then against real players. I dunno why. Ive been playing some custom games to show the wife how to play, and we get creamed every time. Which is odd, becuase unless Im playing against a skilled player, Ill always do alright at least, and I cant make a dent against the bots
Yea, it SAYS beginner, but I think its meant to make you feel like a total newb
I bought Malphite for a change of pace from the Veigar mage type Ive been rolling. It was a huge change, and took some getting used to, but Im catching on quick. I can really kick some ass right now. I just won my team the game in my last match, 9 kills 2 deaths (1 I somehow got stuck on a busted pillar and couldnt get off it lol) And man I was fething rolling. There was a group of 3 champs that owned the bottom. It was Pantheon, some ice guy with a weird sword and Argar? I dunno, but I zipped down there, and just hammered them all into the dirt. It was glorious. After that I simply said "Lanes open" Felt like a BAMF
So after the arse whooping I received, I played against players, and was 5 and 4 until the final push of the game when my team just got overrun, and then I got 3 quick deaths, literally respawning, waiting a minute, respawning, waiting a minute, respawni-- oh we lost...
Alfndrate wrote: So after the arse whooping I received, I played against players, and was 5 and 4 until the final push of the game when my team just got overrun, and then I got 3 quick deaths, literally respawning, waiting a minute, respawning, waiting a minute, respawni-- oh we lost...
Yea when they over run you it can get sketchy. But I try and attack in spirts, and then dump my attacks on some greedy champs. You can turn that loss into a quick chance at a couple extra kills.
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JohnnoM wrote: Alfndrate and KC, if your ever looking for help with a champ etc, or a game hit me up. In-game name same as dakka one.
I think I might just do that.
OH YEA, I saw something yesterday that I now what to know what it was. On the loading screen, someones character had a small red ribbon in the upper left corner of the "card" what does that mean?? I THINK he was playing Master Yi, if that even matters
That's part of Riot's initiative to improve the community- at the end of the game, you get a chance to click a green button to the right of the player to honor them. Depending on the type of honor you have, you get a different colored ribbon. Exactly how many honor votes you need I do not know.
Yeah, fighting defensively is, in my opinion, the hardest part of the game. You're outnumbered and outclassed, and the turrets are not going to help too much- so your job is to slow the enemy as much as possible without dying yourself. Which can mean one spell before you run, or leading them off into the jungle.
Ahhh thanks for clearing that up. I knew about the honor system and always spend all the honor I have on people in a few games. Didnt know about ribbons though.
Saving for an assassin me thinks. Just got my ass handed to me a few times by a REALLY skilled Master Yi player. I swear the dude was just walking behind me invisible because he killed me all the damn time.
Between the VI login song and the Stick Figure Spotlight videos, I've been convinced to have a go at this game. I gave Johnno the credit for the recommendation.
I've played DOTA at LAN parties before, where my favourite hero was the Goblin miners for the "you-know-that-I-know" games that let you pretend to be luring someone into a trap to make them turn and run away into your trap. Is there a similar sort of character in LoL, or should I just look for the girl with the power fists?
Teemo is kind of as close as LoL gets to tekkies. His ultimate is basically you put down an explosive invisible mushroom. They step on it and they take significant damage over time and are slowed. They last for ten minutes when placed and provide sight.
I'm looking for a second Champ. I like Annie, but I think I'd like someone that can take a hit. Still looking at the 450 IP recommendations. Might pick up Sivir, anyone have any experience with her?
Sivir might be the opposite of being able to take a hit I picked her up early on ... and have played her almost never, but that was before confirming my tank fetish. Also that I'm not very good at ranged
That said, just bought Swain, playing first time now!
Boss Salvage wrote: Sivir might be the opposite of being able to take a hit I picked her up early on ... and have played her almost never, but that was before confirming my tank fetish. Also that I'm not very good at ranged
That said, just bought Swain, playing first time now!
- Salvage
I'm sure she doesn't crumple as well as Annie does...
My first bugbear with this game: Apparently you're supposed to tell the installer twice where you want the game installed. Now I've got 3.5 gigs on the right partition and 3.5 gigs on the C drive.
Says the guy who has all his skins, because, y'know, I love them all.
I got Cassio yesterday and have been playing around with her a bit. Learning mid at lvl 30 is a painful curve, but I'm getting the hang of it, and I lvoe the sheer dps she can put out at any given time.
Wow, there are a lot of 450 champs now! As far as sturdy champs go, Ryze is about as hardy a caster as you can get. This is primarily because he gains power from his mana pool, which means you can just buy mana items and tanky mana items rather than AP.
For overall sturdiness, Poppy is extremely hard to beat. Her ult makes her immune to all but the targeted champion- so if you zap the support with it, you can run rampant through the enemy team with impunity for 6 seconds. Once she has Sheen, she will mess you up. Sadly, her laning phase is appalling, so expect a large learning curve.
Garen is recommended for a reason. He is thick and tanky, has a satisfying ultimate, a silence, and spin-to-win, plus no mana or energy to slow you down. If you want them to drive you closer so you can hit them with your sword, this is the champion for you.
There is a niche build out there for a tanky yi.... but I really can't recommend it, especially for new players. Just like Katarina, you have to pick him when the enemy team is really weak on CC, and for that you need a lot of familiarity with the other champions.
To summarize- you can't go wrong with Ryze for caster, or Garen for melee bruiser. Poppy will be challenging to lane with, but is always very tanky.
I played for the longest time with the plan that "I'll see how far I can get without spending money"
I just broke down, bought some RP and am now slowly unlocking all the champions (playing with them a bit before I move on to the next). It's so different having access to 40+ as opposed to ~15!
If anyone wants to play, my name is YotsubaSnake. I'd love to join others to play!
If you're good with Sivir she can take a decent hit with her spell shield. Like most carries you won't be a tank but items like bloodthirster will keep you around a little longer with life steal.
For tanks out of the 450s, probably Ryze is the best to go with. He's not really a tank, but pretty much all the decent tank items give mana so he'll finish the game as one anyway. You'll have maybe one item that gives mana that will not be making you more of a wall.
There's also Nunu I think. He's more or less a support tank now, but he can deal decent damage when you consider he has his E and his ultimate as his only damage dealing abilities. His Q also does damage of course, but only true damage and to minions, it then heals him scaling alright with AP. Think of it as a smite that heals you. His W adds movement speed and attack damage to you and the target (you'll see a lot of Nunus that use it on themselves for some reason even though it would effect them anyway if they cast it on someone else). His E is this large ice ball which deals decent damage and slows (Rylai's makes it slow even more), this is generally seen as his most annoying move as if you're fighting a Nunu this is going to be poking you so much. When you decide to run, throw one last one at them so they can't chase so well.
Nunu's ultimate is interesting. People usually joke about how you press R, make a coffee and then come back to watch your ultimate go off. He sits there creating a large area of slow (once again Rylai's making this almost like a root at times) and charges up to its max damage which is pretty significant. You can cancel it any time by moving and it will explode earlier still dealing damage. Another fun thing to remember is even though its this giant swirling snowstorm of "gtfo or die", the enemy can't see it if Nunu is hiding in a bush while doing it or even if they just can't see Nunu. So those tiny bushes near baron and dragon? Suddenly the entire enemy team is going slow, the ones paying attention are going to turn and try to run. The others are just going to go through it and take the full 1k+ damage from it.
Been trying to pick up Amumu recently as well. Grabbed him one game and killed everyone somehow. Then sad robot came on sale and I had to grab it. Meant to build as a tank, but I end up with more or less an AP bruiser.
Says the guy who has all his skins, because, y'know, I love them all.
I got Cassio yesterday and have been playing around with her a bit. Learning mid at lvl 30 is a painful curve, but I'm getting the hang of it, and I lvoe the sheer dps she can put out at any given time.
Im very hot and cold with Malphite. I either kick some major ass, or do squat. I seem to barely hurt Master Yi, so when I see him being played, I hope I get tossed against him But overall I really enjoy Malphite, the guy can seriously dish out damage. I think its fun to charge into a x2 or x3 blob of summoners that have been pushing longer then they should have? Then BOOM! I start hitting all of them at the same time with several attacks. Its glorious
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Tanky Malphite is super fun to play. Just build him up.
Anybody looking for fun and powerful tanks to play, I suggest Mundo. He can be a really great support tank. You learn how to throw that cleaver. He is also a good jungler.
Amumu is probably my favorite tanky character. His initiate is easily one of the best in the game. Bandage wrap in to enemy group and use your ultimate, watch your team roll in and punish them for being caught. The only problem with him is, he is easily shut down in the jungle. Also, he is one of those champs that rarely gets played outside of jungling, so for you new guys, that might not be something you can do at that level.
I've had a go with Vi against bots, and she was great in one-on-one, but had a really hard time disengaging when things weren't in her favour. Whenever someone started running, the combination of Assault and Battery, Excessive Force and Vault Breaker ensured that they would die anyway. But when I tried to run, I wasn't benefiting from the ~65% lifesteal I'd built up.
Olaf is another great jungler. Just build him tanky with some AD and watch the kills roll in. However, you need to know how to throw hes q, and use his ult.
I got the quadra-kill pretty luckily, and then katarina popped out in front of me, and instead of flaying my squishy hide, she ran and I killed her for the penta.
KingCracker wrote: I had a double kill a couple times. And been on a decent killing spree up to 7 kills before being shut down. Thats ma best so far
I had a double kill with Annie on Sunday, and my teammate was like, "wath annie?! gj" I told him that he did half the work on Ashe, and that he probably would have gotten the kill if Ezreal didn't come and kill him first.
Heres a tip for annie: Her passive says that every 4th spell she uses on will stun the enemy. The idea is that when its the 4th spell, or the stunning one, thats when you drop Tibbers on them. Does that make sense?
JohnnoM wrote: Olaf is another great jungler. Just build him tanky with some AD and watch the kills roll in. However, you need to know how to throw hes q, and use his ult.
And a good Olaf won't die as long as he knows roughly what damage he does at what hp %. That and his ult being great at escaping with.
Don't worry about pentas unless you're playing a carry.
JohnnoM wrote:Heres a tip for annie: Her passive says that every 4th spell she uses on will stun the enemy. The idea is that when its the 4th spell, or the stunning one, thats when you drop Tibbers on them. Does that make sense?
It does, I'll remember that
n0t_u wrote:They're also changing her W so the cone stays attached to her now.
So I won't be able to mouse it over to the sweet group of mobs and click cast, and watch Annie waddle over there and cast it? :( sad day.
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n0t_u wrote: They're also changing her W so the cone stays attached to her now.
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