MikeFox wrote:
Texas I belive

Aww that's far from So. Cal...

Which is why we should copy it

OMG, when will 'ard boys just die for crying out loud. I say the TO wave his magic wand and make a cool competitive Tourney. Come on, we all know he has it in him.

I may make it out for this one! Excited to play at 1750 in preparation for LVO. If I can make something reasonable out of what I have, I should be able to tweak a unit or two before at my snails pace in the hobby by February. I'll be fully painted but only because the painted ones are luckier!

Ok everyone! We're winding down the year now!

For those of you with bellies full of ache, The 'Ard Boyz format will not be followed... exactly

We are keeping a number of 'Ard Boyz elements will be utilized, including crazy random scenario elements.

You can find more info on the facebook page, here:

https://www.facebook.com/events/404542472978818/

I got your unpainted orks right here! Models EVERYWHERE!

Bring on the grey plastic hordes!

Acrimonious wrote:
Bring on the grey plastic hordes!

Trevor, are you and (ponytail) Mike gonna show for this one?

Since there's no Sportsmanship category this time, I'm really gonna douche it up .... I'll argue about LoS, MC rules, fudgy measurements, you name it! Fast-no call dice, 6" plus Movement, I'm gonna make somebody moan and groan about drawing me for match. I hope it's you.

Pretty sure there is still the kick the douche out clause but ,when in Rome......

If I didn't know better, I'd say Casey has got a little crush on me :-D

Definitely still a kick out the douche clause. Definitely.

Casey has no love for anyone or anything but his monthly lunch break at Lucky Baldwins across the street. And by lunch I mean beer.

Regardless, here's a link to the pics for the day so far, Rounds one is over, Round two on now.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.599117463467232.1073741952.106899122689071&type=1

Check it!


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Round 3 Is on now, three undefeated players.

Imperial Guard
Tau / Farsight
Tau / CSMs

IG and Tau/Farsight are battling, Tau/CSM is up against the top of the 1-1 players, the Space Wolf and Ork Alliance!

More Pics from the event (and other stuff going on today at the store): https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.599117463467232.1073741952.106899122689071&type=3&uploaded=12

Good time was had by all. Thus proving 1750pt games can be done in a reasonable time frame. More Ork silliness to come next time.

Definitely good times, and 1750 is great IMO

Acrimonious wrote:
Definitely good times, and 1750 is great IMO

I agree.

All three games of mine finished to Turn 5, even with Laser Lock extra Twin-Linking. I'd like 1750 for next month. And, Trev, your feelings of narcissism are also known as "Delusions of Grandeur."

disdainful wrote:Casey has no love for anyone or anything but his monthly lunch break at Lucky Baldwins across the street. And by lunch I mean beer.

Perceptiveness in a TO is a good thing.

Yesterday was super fun. I'm also throwing my vote in for more 1750, if only because it's easier to fit in a Wraithknight at that point level

I think "the more the merrier" applies to point and time limits for 40k!

Maybe do a poll and experimental trial run for an 1850-2k event and see how it works out/gauge interest?

2k events blow in my opinion. Ive been to several and the games drag. I rather have a fun fast 3 games at 1500-1750 then be at the store till 9

First post edited with next month's event data.

Thanks to everyone who came out, and congrats to the winners!

Here's the link to the facebook event:

https://www.facebook.com/events/510805612349810/?previousaction=join&source=1

The November event will be 1750, thanks to everyone acquitting themselves so very well with 1750 points in the October event. Games getting finished and all kinda crazy nonsense!

Two things I'm considering for this event, to mix things up:

1. No Allies
2. Fixed Game Length at 6 turns, no random game length roll.

Let me know what you guys think!

No Allies. I feel like that would throw me for a ringer since I barely have an army. But then again I could bring the ork horde unpainted.

I would like to see both those, no allies and 6 turns. BRING IT!

I don't like the no allies idea personally but I will still play if I can get the time

I would like to see allies, I think that is the direction the game is going from now on. I also like 1500 for the challenge in army creation.

 Loch wrote:
Yesterday was super fun. I'm also throwing my vote in for more 1750, if only because it's easier to fit in a Wraithknight at that point level

Then I vote for 1500!

I vote 1750 no allies, sounds interesting and makes people play THE OLD WAYS

 disdainful wrote:


Two things I'm considering for this event, to mix things up:

1. No Allies
2. Fixed Game Length at 6 turns, no random game length roll.

Let me know what you guys think!

I actually am not a big fan of either of these. Nixing allies means fewer choices, and that's sad.

Fixed game length just means that people will have a greater incentive to slow-play to force a conclusion before turn 6, or or to disregard playing to the mission for an extra turn or two while blowing baby seals off the table since they know they'll have an extra turn.

Thats actually a very good point, and 6 turns is also a bit difficult to finish in 2 hours and 15 minutes.

OverwatchCNC wrote:I don't like the no allies idea personally but I will still play if I can get the time

You don't play anymore! Your opinions are now based on speculation and academic conjecture. I'll just start referring to you as a certain type of falcon.

I like no allies for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is it will force people to make new lists. I've been seeing the same combinations on the field for a while now. Allied forces can get as tired as pure ones.

That being said, I'm not leaning either way at the moment, and I'm definitely listening to all the viewpoints, looking for a good, compelling argument for or against.

As for the turn length issue... that's a little murkier. It's easy to say that people will slow play to gain a desired outcome, but the first and most obvious counter is that the reality on the table is that many tournament games only make it to turn 5 anyway, so if someone is going to slow play intentionally then the turn length as stated in the tournament rules is meaningless. Whether it says 6 turns flat or RGL, a player who's interested in slow playing to win just has to wait for that simple exchange near the end of the round:

"Hey guys, about 15 minutes left. What turn are you on?"
"Uh, finishing bottom of four..."
"Ok, well, get through turn five and that will be it then."

Then they can gerrymander the result regardless of the stated end of game protocol. They now know when the game will end and can plan accordingly.

It's my experience that games in a 6th edition tournament that go the distance are either complete blowouts, or between a couple of iron-clad veterans who've probably squared off more than a few times before.

Again, not leaning one way or the other, just seeing if anyone has a good argument for either side.

 disdainful wrote:

OverwatchCNC wrote:I don't like the no allies idea personally but I will still play if I can get the time

You don't play anymore! Your opinions are now based on speculation and academic conjecture. I'll just start referring to you as a certain type of falcon.

I made the mistake of reading that on my iPad while in a meeting... I nearly laughed in the middle of a fairly serious conversation!

I aim to please.

So I don't play enough to count, but the games I played last September were fun at 1500. Allies out make sense, but the question still stands, do you think the game is moving toward allies? Also, as a TO, do you think people actually try and slow games down? Your comments suggest you don't.

 disdainful wrote:

OverwatchCNC wrote:I don't like the no allies idea personally but I will still play if I can get the time

You don't play anymore! Your opinions are now based on speculation and academic conjecture.

Yeah, man. If you're not even going to be playing in the tourneys, why post a comment in the thread?


Dis, which Ally combo would you like to see? I can bring SMEldar. Maybe El'DOrks?

 Loch wrote:

I actually am not a big fan of either of these. Nixing allies means fewer choices, and that's sad.

Youve played the same list for the past 6 months. And its a spam list...

 MikeFox wrote:

 Loch wrote:

I actually am not a big fan of either of these. Nixing allies means fewer choices, and that's sad.

Youve played the same list for the past 6 months. And its a spam list...

 disdainful wrote:

 MikeFox wrote:

 Loch wrote:

I actually am not a big fan of either of these. Nixing allies means fewer choices, and that's sad.

Youve played the same list for the past 6 months. And its a spam list...

When will the decision on allies be made? I am trying to work my schedule so I can go, especially since it is 1750 and will be good practice for the LVO, and that effects what I will bring. If it's no allies I will be bringing Nurgle Flying Circus again but now with some Plaguedrones at 1750. If allies are allowed then I need to get finished building a LR and Centurions for my White Scars and Salamanders list I plan to take to the LVO. Don't take this too seriously as I am currently prone to acting in a more falconish manner

I'm not ready to make a decision just yet, mostly because no one has made a compelling argument for or against allies.

Though Mike makes an excellent point at Ian's expense! We'll see. Honestly, support for and against Allies has come from unexpected places.

If I had my say, Desperate Allies would be right out, Allies of Convenience would have MASSIVE restrictions and risks, and Battle Brothers would have some re-tooling.

No allies should give people more points to spend on big toys and since thats the argument for 1750pt games so be it.

And it might shake up some of the tired and true lists we have been seeing. And I love playing different people with different lists, prevents people from building to take out just one person.

 MikeFox wrote:

 Loch wrote:

I actually am not a big fan of either of these. Nixing allies means fewer choices, and that's sad.

Youve played the same list for the past 6 months. And its a spam list...

That's not even remotely accurate. I've showed up with a different list every tournament I've been to this year. Allies actually makes my listbuilding less of a copy-paste exercise, not more.

Id like to point out that this is true. His list has been slightly different each time; I was merely taking a pot shot when I saw the chance.

My opinion that we should run a no ally tourny at least once still stands.

There's a top bun and bottom bun of Venoms, but the meat inside has changed from list to list, to be sure.

It's just so hard to tell from looking at it!

I disagree with no allies, i think it can help shore up a weaker codex and let people (me) run models that arent great on their own. That said, im not making it next monthso YEAH GO FOR IT!! :-)

Don't worry, I'll make sure to stick you with a no allies event. It'll be a surprise!

Actually, the 'allies helps weaker books compete' idea is the best argument in favor I've heard yet, so there's that.

And what weaker books might those be? Orks I know but who runs them other then me? Tyrinids cant bring allies and everyone else has a strong book.

There are still strong ork biker lists out there so I dont feel that argument holds up in the long run.

 MikeFox wrote:
And what weaker books might those be? Orks I know but who runs them other then me? Tyrinids cant bring allies and everyone else has a strong book.

There are still strong ork biker lists out there so I dont feel that argument holds up in the long run.

I feel the books are being written with Allies in mind these days. Not to mention books like Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights, Imperial Guard, Dark Angels, Dark Eldar, and Chaos Space Marines really need help from other quadrants in order to perform well in a competitive environment. "Pure" lists that compete to win are rare from those books, especially Space Wolves (and to a lesser extent GK) who have no viable AA options of their own, and are weak in the current meta when put up against "pure" lists from Necrons, Space Marines, Daemons, Eldar, and Tau. To me the idea of going no allies won't expand the types of armies we see it will actually narrow it down to the newest books that are also capable of building lists that can compete without help. When was the last time you saw a "pure" list from IG, GK, SW, BA, or IG win a larger competitive tournament? Put that aside for a moment and think on this. If I run my Nurgle Daemon Flying Circus and I run into a "pure" list from any of the aforementioned codices on the outs I don't have any real fear. Even GK who are supposed to be "awesome" against Daemons I handled pretty easily on the 3 occasions I have met them. But if it is GK allied with IG, or GK allied with Necrons I have a fairly uphill battle to fight.

The idea that removing allies promotes a more diverse tournament environment just seems counter-intuitive to me. With the exception of Tyranids the prospect of allies only broadens the possibilities of what armies I will face. I can't imagine someone bringing a "pure" list from BA, DA, GK, SW, IG, or DE. Those codices are just too weak on their own. CSM lists, as long as they have no actual CSMs, are a viable option. They just get even scarier when you ally in some Daemons, Necrons, or vice versa.

*edits are for massive spelling and grammar errors. I had way too much coffee today!!!

I agree that restricting allies will narrow the diversity more than expand.

@MikeFox: CSM dont have a strong book. They have 2 strong units. 3 if you include my Defiler stuck behind a disabled Rhino. :-D

Ok, times up, what is the next RTT's format? I want to start planning. You got all your going to get out of these guys. It sounds like no allies because they are too weird and 1750 because everyone knows how to get thru that in time. Hell, I could bring my God Hammer list and be guaranteed to get thru all 6 turns. It's tons of fun to play with all my smoke effects.

 sgtpjbarker wrote:
Ok, times up, what is the next RTT's format? I want to start planning. You got all your going to get out of these guys. It sounds like no allies because they are too weird and 1750 because everyone knows how to get thru that in time. Hell, I could bring my God Hammer list and be guaranteed to get thru all 6 turns. It's tons of fun to play with all my smoke effects.

Not sure where you got that from...

I was in the store and Chuck was saying that he didn't like the allies because of the strange combos that people choose, his example was a Daemon allied with a Tau. I see the argument if you play the game for the fluff value, but I don't see the argument if you play the game just as a game. My feeling is that it is a game, so the game rules allow allies, then we should play the game and allow allies. If the store wants fluff tourneys then allies should be controlled and limited. I don't care either way as I like to play both styles. As to seeing the same lists, I think the TO could probably defeat that by designing some scenarios or forcing players to play certain kinds of units. I remember a Warmachine event where the store gave you your caster and you had to deal with him/her in you game. Sounded fun, but I have not heard it run again so it may have been a one shot wonder.

So, it sounds like the store needs to make the choice and then run with it, I don't hear anyone making the argument for or against this so I say the TO make the decision so we can get our lists built.

 sgtpjbarker wrote:
I don't hear anyone making the argument for or against this so I say the TO make the decision so we can get our ...

I thought John and Trevor wrote two posts in favor of Allies.

Anyway, here's the same , and main argument FOR Allies:

Variety. Different elements are fun to face and use, instead of spammed / repeated units, like lotsa venoms, 5 SM Drop Pods, Parking lots, Mechdar, etc.

A counter argument to that would be that mixing allows for rough combos like farseers buffing units from other armies, like a farseer with a BeastM or Riptide unit.

However, I assert it's more for having a h2h element compensate for your shooty mainstay, like incorporating TH/SS termies with IG or Tau. Or giving your slow IG blob a fast element like SM speeders or Drop Pods.

On the non-Ally side of things, I just ran an all Eldar list this last tourney. Perfectly happy, I was.
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That said, Paul, make two lists, one Allied and the other a One-Booker (TM) and get in some practice games.

Fluffy tournament is an oxymoron. I think/hope Chuck was talking about a league style he wanted to put together. I agree, allies are part of the game. People are buying their product and spending their hobby time with that in mind, it wouldnt be fun to not be able to qualify for a tournament with a paint score because 750 points of your current models cant be feilded.

Cry me a river (Since I have to repaint an ork horde)

 MikeFox wrote:
Cry me a river (Since I have to repaint an ork horde)

I have to paint an entire army one way or another to compete in this tournament! I still vote for allies because banning them only makes army diversity smaller not larger.

Im speed painting a list for the Midnight madness tournament, so Ill have some done regardless.

1750 was never in question, I'm growing more confident everyone out there can handle the big-boy pants, and if I don't run some events at more 'normal' points levels we'll never get there. I'd never want to be accused of coddling the group over logistics!

As for the Allies thing, I'm starting to feel like I'm outfitted in fine silks and wearing a big white wig, and Paul is foreman of the crew building the guillotine!

It looks like the greater consensus is in favor of Allies, so I'm going to go ahead and say Allies are in for this event. I'll make sure that when we do a no Allies event next year I'll put on the schedule with plenty of time for people to see it coming and prepare, if only so I can be suitably acerbic to the guys who forget and show up unprepared!

 disdainful wrote:
1750 was never in question, I'm growing more confident everyone out there can handle the big-boy pants, and if I don't run some events at more 'normal' points levels we'll never get there. I'd never want to be accused of coddling the group over logistics!

As for the Allies thing, I'm starting to feel like I'm outfitted in fine silks and wearing a big white wig, and Paul is foreman of the crew building the guillotine!

It looks like the greater consensus is in favor of Allies, so I'm going to go ahead and say Allies are in for this event. I'll make sure that when we do a no Allies event next year I'll put on the schedule with plenty of time for people to see it coming and prepare, if only so I can be suitably acerbic to the guys who forget and show up unprepared!

Good call!!

I lol'd. BTW Ill be bringing 3 batteries of Big Gunz so for the love of god we better play Big Guns Never Tire. All Kromlec, All the time. I think that will be my armies new motto

Big Gunz Neva Tire.

Except when we run out of ammo runts, cause then we cant hit for gak

 disdainful wrote:
1750 was never in question, I'm growing more confident everyone out there can handle the big-boy pants, and if I don't run some events at more 'normal' points levels we'll never get there. I'd never want to be accused of coddling the group over logistics!

As for the Allies thing, I'm starting to feel like I'm outfitted in fine silks and wearing a big white wig, and Paul is foreman of the crew building the guillotine!

It looks like the greater consensus is in favor of Allies, so I'm going to go ahead and say Allies are in for this event. I'll make sure that when we do a no Allies event next year I'll put on the schedule with plenty of time for people to see it coming and prepare, if only so I can be suitably acerbic to the guys who forget and show up unprepared!

Great idea

Awesome, thank you.

Ok guys, here is an article to be discussed.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/10/goatboys-monday-tirade-perfect.html

I really like the percentage idea.

Lmao, the comments section in that one is golden. I am not opposed to bringing back comp in an easy to figure out and score format. Also my opponent should never get to give my list a comp score. Ever.

 sgtpjbarker wrote:
Ok guys, here is an article to be discussed.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/10/goatboys-monday-tirade-perfect.html

I really like the percentage idea.

I started another thread on the comp ideas. Less on the percentage, but more on FoC limitations.

I think our esteemed TO might enjoy implementing items 1 and 2 on GB's list. The Best This Xeno, Best That Imperial useless door prizes again, but frankly, I think his treasure box got emptied out months ago. Maybe he'll take a donation ...

I missed the fluff tourney this last summer (it did happen, right?) so it'd be cool to have it happen again within a half year. It would be cool to play; like the percentage format or my proposed (or similar) FoC format.

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Off topic. Those BoLS guys post heavily on the douche side of things, huh? Or does GB just draw ire?

Im fine with a scripted comp score. You know X points if you spend this many points in Troops, Y points for have a single HQ.

Im all for 1500 pt games, fast and fun. Heck sign me up for a four round 1000 pt tournament.

And IM ALL FOR spreading the prize love. If there had been any newbies at the last tournament I would have given away my prize money. I have everything Ill ever need.

Brothererekose wrote:

 sgtpjbarker wrote:
Ok guys, here is an article to be discussed.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/10/goatboys-monday-tirade-perfect.html

I really like the percentage idea.

I started another thread on the comp ideas. Less on the percentage, but more on FoC limitations.

I think our esteemed TO might enjoy implementing items 1 and 2 on GB's list. The Best This Xeno, Best That Imperial useless door prizes again, but frankly, I think his treasure box got emptied out months ago. Maybe he'll take a donation ...

I missed the fluff tourney this last summer (it did happen, right?) so it'd be cool to have it happen again within a half year. It would be cool to play; like the percentage format or my proposed (or similar) FoC format.

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Off topic. Those BoLS guys post heavily on the douche side of things, huh? Or does GB just draw ire?

Goatboy is actually a really good guy and the lists he brings, generally, are not as spammed filled as what he posts. That said he does come up with some of the nastiest combos. It isn't so much that GB is a douche etc but that BoLS is filled with trolls which is why I rarely comment there anymore. Also GB is a member of Dakka so posting about him breaks no forum rules but he is a good guy despite tHe online rep.

 sgtpjbarker wrote:
Ok guys, here is an article to be discussed.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/10/goatboys-monday-tirade-perfect.html

I really like the percentage idea.

L
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You people started running around screaming and getting dirt in your hair about an event with no Allies (you know, the way 40k has been for 25 of its 26 years...? ). There'd be a server reset on the world after which we'd all wake up in the desert of the real if we did percentages!

That said and in the interest of discourse, here's my take on Goaty's points:

1. Yes and Yes. We have discussed this many times, particularly within the warmachine community at the store, and particularly over the last couple years of us traveling more. The truth is, most events get prizes wrong. They're handed out slipshod or inefficiently; players who play for the duration of events get hosed since they get fancy tickets or tokens to spend at vendors that aren't open when the event is over, some events just get skipped for prizes (truth, have seen it happen). It isn't as big of a deal in 40k since there's one main event and it's easier to keep a handle on it, but it's still an issue when the prize pool is weak.

As you'll notice, I'm bringing this into our local events. We have been doing Best Overall, Best Sport, Best Army, with the occasional door prize and Best General mixed in, and starting with this event we'll be doing First Place, Best Imperial, Best Non-Imperial, Best Sport, Best Army. I'm upping the prize pool as well to fire things up. More Prizes means more to go around, and players aren't just shooting for the top spot or bust. Hopefully it will work well.

2. Unfortunately, there's just no way to do this without it devolving into just another element of the format to game. If I give a full game win for bringing fully painted, the players who are interested in winning will just make sure to be fully painted and it becomes a meaningless distinction at best. Further, it's a LOT of work to design a rubric by which I can award points to players for bringing 'variety', and as soon as it's been playtested and settled, the meta changes and it's out the window. A living document could be made, but it just seems like an unnecessary element of arbitration to add into the format.

*edit* as to fixed percentage buys for lists, X% in Troops gets you Y points, no more than Z% in heavy/fast/etc. gets you Q points, the rub with that is that different codexes are 'diversified' via different rubrics, so it would take a larger document that has the same weaknesses as above. That being said, it would be interesting to discuss amongst the group how exactly that would look.

Do I give a player who brings Dreadnoughts bonus points because they're kinda bad? Do I dock a player for too many Venoms? It's a lot to consider and just seems to me like an area ripe for problems and hurt butts. How many is too many for the 'good' stuff? How much is enough of the 'bad' stuff to get points?

3. *shrug* We've been doing 1500 for the last year, and now that I've been talking about upping the points everyone seems excited. The truth is, the last year has been the first year of 6th, and the release schedule for new books has been the fastest its ever been. There's a lot to keep up with. My observation is that things are starting to settle down and people are getting used to the game, which means the great points level debate might become less of an issue. Honestly, talking about 1500 at this point seems silly, but everywhere else in the world people have been playing 1750 and up, so maybe the fact that I kept things at 1500 has just helped the local community. If so, you're welcome. If not, oh well, I tried the best I could!

4. This is another *shrug* for me. We've fiddled with light comp for many a year, the truth is it's never been the issue in 40k that it's been in WHFB. That being said, I'm going to be quite leery of comp in the future (and I hate to keep harping on it, but) , especially since the idea of no Allies got everyone up in arms. That's a type of comp, after all ,and if the response is generally negative to a broad-stroke element like Allies, I'd be surprised if a full, line-item style comp system didn't get the mob out and the torches lit.

And there you go. over.

 disdainful wrote:

 sgtpjbarker wrote:
Ok guys, here is an article to be discussed.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/10/goatboys-monday-tirade-perfect.html

I really like the percentage idea.

L
O
L
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You people started running around screaming and getting dirt in your hair about an event with no Allies (you know, the way 40k has been for 25 of its 26 years...? ). There'd be a server reset on the world after which we'd all wake up in the desert of the real if we did percentages!

That said and in the interest of discourse, here's my take on Goaty's points:

1. Yes and Yes. We have discussed this many times, particularly within the warmachine community at the store, and particularly over the last couple years of us traveling more. The truth is, most events get prizes wrong. They're handed out slipshod or inefficiently; players who play for the duration of events get hosed since they get fancy tickets or tokens to spend at vendors that aren't open when the event is over, some events just get skipped for prizes (truth, have seen it happen). It isn't as big of a deal in 40k since there's one main event and it's easier to keep a handle on it, but it's still an issue when the prize pool is weak.

As you'll notice, I'm bringing this into our local events. We have been doing Best Overall, Best Sport, Best Army, with the occasional door prize and Best General mixed in, and starting with this event we'll be doing First Place, Best Imperial, Best Non-Imperial, Best Sport, Best Army. I'm upping the prize pool as well to fire things up. More Prizes means more to go around, and players aren't just shooting for the top spot or bust. Hopefully it will work well.

2. Unfortunately, there's just no way to do this without it devolving into just another element of the format to game. If I give a full game win for bringing fully painted, the players who are interested in winning will just make sure to be fully painted and it becomes a meaningless distinction at best. Further, it's a LOT of work to design a rubric by which I can award points to players for bringing 'variety', and as soon as it's been playtested and settled, the meta changes and it's out the window. A living document could be made, but it just seems like an unnecessary element of arbitration to add into the format.

Do I give a player who brings Dreadnoughts bonus points because they're kinda bad? Do I dock a player for too many Venoms? It's a lot to consider and just seems to me like an area ripe for problems and hurt butts. How many is too many for the 'good' stuff? How much is enough of the 'bad' stuff to get points?

3. *shrug* We've been doing 1500 for the last year, and now that I've been talking about upping the points everyone seems excited. The truth is, the last year has been the first year of 6th, and the release schedule for new books has been the fastest its ever been. There's a lot to keep up with. My observation is that things are starting to settle down and people are getting used to the game, which means the great points level debate might become less of an issue. Honestly, talking about 1500 at this point seems silly, but everywhere else in the world people have been playing 1750 and up, so maybe the fact that I kept things at 1500 has just helped the local community. If so, you're welcome. If not, oh well, I tried the best I could!

4. This is another *shrug* for me. We've fiddled with light comp for many a year, the truth is it's never been the issue in 40k that it's been in WHFB. That being said, I'm going to be quite leery of comp in the future (and I hate to keep harping on it, but) , especially since the idea of no Allies got everyone up in arms. That's a type of comp, after all ,and if the response is generally negative to a broad-stroke element like Allies, I'd be surprised if a full, line-item style comp system didn't get the mob out and the torches lit.

And there you go. over.

Awesome points all around. Perhaps cut and paste that into Casey's other thread!

That said I think it is important to note that we haven't ever really had the problem of too many uber lists running around our events. I think my Cron Air was as close as we ever got to that and let's be honest a single Overall and 2 second place finishes is less than stellar. This is a much more important conversation for the GT level events where 15-30 of the same Eldar and Tau lists seem to be everywhere. Hell even at the height of GK dominance in 5th there were still 4 or 5 dominant builds from the book, you just don't see that from the modern codices.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
That said I think it is important to note that we haven't ever really had the problem of too many uber lists running around our events. I think my Cron Air was as close as we ever got to that and let's be honest a single Overall and 2 second place finishes is less than stellar. This is a much more important conversation for the GT level events where 15-30 of the same Eldar and Tau lists seem to be everywhere. Hell even at the height of GK dominance in 5th there were still 4 or 5 dominant builds from the book, you just don't see that from the modern codices.

Well, we're planning a multi-day event for next year, so hopefully some of these points will be more relevant for us going forward!

The Empire Open, folks! You heard it here first!

 disdainful wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
That said I think it is important to note that we haven't ever really had the problem of too many uber lists running around our events. I think my Cron Air was as close as we ever got to that and let's be honest a single Overall and 2 second place finishes is less than stellar. This is a much more important conversation for the GT level events where 15-30 of the same Eldar and Tau lists seem to be everywhere. Hell even at the height of GK dominance in 5th there were still 4 or 5 dominant builds from the book, you just don't see that from the modern codices.

Well, we're planning a multi-day event for next year, so hopefully some of these points will be more relevant for us going forward!

The Empire Open, folks! You heard it here first!

I would put the Picard "Full of Win!" Meme here normally but this isn't Facebook. Suffice it to say this makes me very happy.

Um yes.This needs to happen now. Literally tomorrow and for the next 5 day non stop tournament. Last man standing wins.


But yeah an Open event would be awesome. Ill get you some purity seals for sure as give aways.

 MikeFox wrote:
Um yes.This needs to happen now. Literally tomorrow and for the next 5 day non stop tournament. Last man standing wins.


But yeah an Open event would be awesome. Ill get you some purity seals for sure as give aways.

Travis, if the above in Red occurs then Capture and Control via me will also provide some sort of cool trophy for the winner of the Overall award! maybe a big glass stein inscribed with the event name, year, and prize won! I would want it!

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

Brothererekose wrote:
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Off topic. Those BoLS guys post heavily on the douche side of things, huh? Or does GB just draw ire?

Goatboy is actually a really good guy and the lists he brings, generally, are not as spammed filled as what he posts. That said he does come up with some of the nastiest combos. It isn't so much that GB is a douche etc but that BoLS is filled with trolls which is why I rarely comment there anymore. Also GB is a member of Dakka so posting about him breaks no forum rules but he is a good guy despite tHe online rep.

Yeah, GB is the voice of sanity in the thread. It's the trolls that made me think, oh, yeah, this is why I devote time to one forum ...



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 disdainful wrote:
The Empire Open, folks! You heard it here first!

Oh, to play a GT in my own back yard ...

Suh, wEET!

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 MikeFox wrote:
Um yes.This needs to happen now. Literally tomorrow and for the next 5 day non stop tournament. Last man standing wins.


But yeah an Open event would be awesome. Ill get you some purity seals for sure as give aways.

Travis, if the above in Red occurs then Capture and Control via me will also provide some sort of cool trophy for the winner of the Overall award! maybe a big glass stein inscribed with the event name, year, and prize won! I would want it!

Challenge accepted!

 MikeFox wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 MikeFox wrote:
Um yes.This needs to happen now. Literally tomorrow and for the next 5 day non stop tournament. Last man standing wins.


But yeah an Open event would be awesome. Ill get you some purity seals for sure as give aways.

Travis, if the above in Red occurs then Capture and Control via me will also provide some sort of cool trophy for the winner of the Overall award! maybe a big glass stein inscribed with the event name, year, and prize won! I would want it!

Challenge accepted!

Again a meme would fit!

I still have the GW purity seal... all we need to do is make a cast...

I'm thinking purity seal for everyone who attends, C&C sponsored engraved steins for top 8, trophies for winners, plus product prizes.

Might be good, we'll see.

A cast, what its not like I work at an FX shop making molds and casts all day or anything....

Remind me next time you're in the shop, I'll hand off the one I have into your delicate care!

After that we'll just have to figure out the ribbon and scripting.

I'm just showing up late to say that no allies sounds pretty rad.

 Thokt wrote:
I'm just showing up late to say that no allies sounds pretty rad.

LOL I needed you here two days ago!

We'll do it sooner or later, I'm working on the calendar for next year and there'll be a no Allies event mixed in there.

Is the RTT 1750 or 1500?

I'm thinking of doing a 40k marathon and going after the temecula midnight event.

The Facebook page says 1750 and allies. Travis will have some cool tables and I will try and bring my terrain as well.

 schadenfreude wrote:
Is the RTT 1750 or 1500?

I'm thinking of doing a 40k marathon and going after the temecula midnight event.

Join the club!

 MikeFox wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:
Is the RTT 1750 or 1500?

I'm thinking of doing a 40k marathon and going after the temecula midnight event.

Join the club!

You guys should carpool!

I'll definitely bring donuts for this one, so that anyone who does the marathon (and anyone else who comes) gets a good healthy breakfast!

@Paul: If you do end up bringing your terrain, please let me know so I can have a table ready for it in the morning!

 disdainful wrote:

 Thokt wrote:
I'm just showing up late to say that no allies sounds pretty rad.

LOL I needed you here two days ago!

We'll do it sooner or later, I'm working on the calendar for next year and there'll be a no Allies event mixed in there.

It's alright, I've haven't even been on the scene lately. I'm into the fluffy tourneys and no allies type stuff. I'm old school I guess.

The new league we're starting at the store with Hero Advancement and all that disallows Allies, so I thought it would be an interesting question to pose to the group. Honestly the opinion was roughly split between people talking about it here, on Facebook, and in person at the store, so it's definitely on the docket for 2014.

In the end, the most salient point for this event was that with less than a month to prepare and painting requirements in effect, saying No Allies would just hamper players' ability to attend. So Allies are in.

And to add to the crossfire, here's the counterpoint to Goaty's tournament article from Monday!

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/10/comp-is-for-commies-and-unicorns.html

The only comp you should ever consider is hard comp!

Leenus wrote:
The only comp you should ever consider is hard comp!

Lee, we all know why! This is why you should give up WHFB and I come back to the dark side.

We miss ya Lee!

Nothing will ever beat the Thunderwolf guy with the little note on scrap paper stuck to his sword that said 'Wolf Lord'! Now that's being considerate!

**edit**

Just saw this:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/F/FWchaptertactics.pdf

FW chapter tactics for some alt chapters. Some stuff is simple, like 'Lamenters are chosen from Codex: Blood Angels" and "Sons of Medusa use Iron Hands Chapter Tactics", and some of them get full-custom gospel sounds. What do you guys think of that? I'll admit, my very first reaction was

It's free? ...Really?

In any case, would you be ok with someone using an (appropriately modeled and painted, of course) army with one of the custom rulesets presented there? Would it be cool to include in a tournament setting or no thanks? The only one that seemed a bit much to me on first glance was the Red Scorpions getting free nartheciums on all veteran sergeants.

And the Carcharodons chapter with the little shark on their shoulder pad is pretty silly, but I'm biased.

They don't seem to have any big game changers and I agree with the idea that some are odd. How about those Minotaurs, are they Texas A&M grads or what?

I really think the comp score should be handled by the TO. I would not recommend that for every place, but Travis has my vote. I believe he can be honest and fair. I don't think anyone should be discouraged from bringing any list, there are just too few of us out there and the game is too fun to lose people because we get grumpy about losing or throw a man-trum.

I'll probably try 40K once the new nid book comes out. I think all of my armies need too much updating at the moment!

 disdainful wrote:
We miss ya Lee!

Nothing will ever beat the Thunderwolf guy with the little note on scrap paper stuck to his sword that said 'Wolf Lord'! Now that's being considerate!

**edit**

Just saw this:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/F/FWchaptertactics.pdf

FW chapter tactics for some alt chapters. Some stuff is simple, like 'Lamenters are chosen from Codex: Blood Angels" and "Sons of Medusa use Iron Hands Chapter Tactics", and some of them get full-custom gospel sounds. What do you guys think of that? I'll admit, my very first reaction was

It's free? ...Really?

In any case, would you be ok with someone using an (appropriately modeled and painted, of course) army with one of the custom rulesets presented there? Would it be cool to include in a tournament setting or no thanks? The only one that seemed a bit much to me on first glance was the Red Scorpions getting free nartheciums on all veteran sergeants.

And the Carcharodons chapter with the little shark on their shoulder pad is pretty silly, but I'm biased.

Those seem relatively tame, along the same lines as what's in the codex tbh so I would be cool with it!

On the topic of the new FW chapter tactics -
Since there's already a shark-nado then the next logical step can only be sharks in space.
Someone should do a shark themed army and convert Aquaman to a chapter master.
"I talk to fish, that means i'm a superhero right? Guys?"

Ever since a certain road trip to Vegas with a certain book on tape (Carcharodon Megalodon!! An ancient denizen of the deep! The mega shark rides in the warm plume of blood from a dead whale into warm surface waters to terrorize Hawaii! ) The word Carcharodon will always been synonymous with corny for me.

In the real world, I'd love to play some Fire Hawks! +1S flamers, yeah buddy! And S5 Hammer of Wrath hits is enough to make me almost willing to convince myself that Assault Marines aren't total garbage.

Again, I think there's some interesting stuff in there, nothing OP though. I'd probably be ok with an army using one of these sets of chapter tactics in a tournament, provided the army was fully painted in the appropriate chapter colors, etc. No grey plastic Marines counting as whatever.

The only tone I find questionable is red scorpions.

T5 bike army with FNP lead by a FNP eternal warrior 2+3++ chapter master on a bike. Only S10 can strip them of FNP.

Dev centurions would also be beefy but I don't see them being meta changing.

 schadenfreude wrote:
The only tone I find questionable is red scorpions.

Agreed. Army-wide access to FNP is a bit much. You gotta pay for the Veteran Sarge to get the Narthecium, but I'd say it's worth it.

 disdainful wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:
The only tone I find questionable is red scorpions.

Agreed. Army-wide access to FNP is a bit much. You gotta pay for the Veteran Sarge to get the Narthecium, but I'd say it's worth it.

Nope changed my mind after re reading the rules. Nartheciums are only on tactical squads. Seems ok.

 disdainful wrote:


Just saw this:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/F/FWchaptertactics.pdf

FW chapter tactics for some alt chapters. Some stuff is simple, like 'Lamenters are chosen from Codex: Blood Angels" and "Sons of Medusa use Iron Hands Chapter Tactics", and some of them get full-custom gospel sounds. What do you guys think of that? I'll admit, my very first reaction was

It's free? ...Really?

In any case, would you be ok with someone using an (appropriately modeled and painted, of course) army with one of the custom rulesets presented there? Would it be cool to include in a tournament setting or no thanks? The only one that seemed a bit much to me on first glance was the Red Scorpions getting free nartheciums on all veteran sergeants.

And the Carcharodons chapter with the little shark on their shoulder pad is pretty silly, but I'm biased.

Are you going to start to allow all forge world?

The Space Marine codex has been out for a month, is it so underpowered that it needs the help?

If there was someone who played one of those armies like Sgt. Barker does his Imperial Fist then maybe, otherwise people will just play the best chapter trait.

The Red Hunters one is awesome for my collection. Can I still use the Blood Angel book but use the Red Hunters Chapter Tactics? At last my Inquisitorial Strikeforce collection can fight as Battle Brothers (even if it's only for home games since that's usually all I play these days anyway)!

 Blackmoor wrote:

 disdainful wrote:


Just saw this:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/F/FWchaptertactics.pdf

FW chapter tactics for some alt chapters. Some stuff is simple, like 'Lamenters are chosen from Codex: Blood Angels" and "Sons of Medusa use Iron Hands Chapter Tactics", and some of them get full-custom gospel sounds. What do you guys think of that? I'll admit, my very first reaction was

It's free? ...Really?

In any case, would you be ok with someone using an (appropriately modeled and painted, of course) army with one of the custom rulesets presented there? Would it be cool to include in a tournament setting or no thanks? The only one that seemed a bit much to me on first glance was the Red Scorpions getting free nartheciums on all veteran sergeants.

And the Carcharodons chapter with the little shark on their shoulder pad is pretty silly, but I'm biased.

Are you going to start to allow all forge world?

The Space Marine codex has been out for a month, is it so underpowered that it needs the help?

If there was someone who played one of those armies like Sgt. Barker does his Imperial Fist then maybe, otherwise people will just play the best chapter trait.

I doubt all FW would ever be allowed at GE. There are too many of us who dislike unrestricted FW in tournaments Alan me included. I am not opposed to 1 event a year allowing FW, I am also not opposed to a 0-1 option on FW units in tournaments.

However Travis did state that if someone wanted to use those rules and had an appropriately built and painted army he would not be opposed to them using it. I agree with that actually, if someone has a fully built and correctly painted Red Scorpion army etc I am fine with them using those rules.

schadenfreude wrote:Nope changed my mind after re reading the rules. Nartheciums are only on tactical squads. Seems ok.

Yeah, I mis-read that myself. I thought it was all Tac Squad sergeants AND all veteran sergeants, but it's just Tac Squad sergeants, whether standard or veteran. That's fine.

BladeWalker wrote:The Red Hunters one is awesome for my collection. Can I still use the Blood Angel book but use the Red Hunters Chapter Tactics? At last my Inquisitorial Strikeforce collection can fight as Battle Brothers (even if it's only for home games since that's usually all I play these days anyway)!

Unfortunately no; anything chosen from the BA book is strictly a BA army and is differentiated from regular SMs by their specific options. Chapter Tactics, as they stand now, are applicable only to armies from the regular SM book.

And no, Allan, I'm not inching toward forge world. I just wanted to see what people thought about these rules and generate some discussion. Personally, I don't know if the Marine book is underpowered, and if it is, I doubt any of the FW chapter tactics change that. Further, since none of these rules allow FW models or models that are not available to everyone, and are themselves free, I'm looking at them as almost a compendium of supplement material that we might have seen in WD in days of yore. Obviously WD is circling the drain, so these would never see the light of day if that were the only avenue to release them.

Of course, if someone wanted to use these rules, they'd need a fully painted an appropriately modeled army. There's no way I'd let someone walk in with their grey plastic legion or (even worse) already build other chapter army and tell me their trying out this or that set of rules.

I'm going to have to come out to one of these tourneys one day, sounds like its a good group. 0-3 here I come!

Im bringing a push over list for this tournament. You'll be able to beat me up if you want. Plus Ill be running on no sleep from the tournament the night before

 Thokt wrote:
I'm going to have to come out to one of these tourneys one day, sounds like its a good group. 0-3 here I come!

0-3 is a fun place to be. I'm often there.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/547382-.html?m=2

I am coming to light up the place! My Centurions will finally have a ride.

A formitable foe for my newly painted orks in the painting realm. Bring it!

Between Mike and Paul I feel like I may never win a painting prize at GE ever again! I still vote for either of you guys pretty much every time anyway.

Im going triple Dakka Jets, triple big gunz squads, some battle wagons, nob bikers, and Mega Nobz. Nice and simple. Oh and my fancy new quad gun!

You could win best army for the quad gun alone!! Epic work my friend.

New color scheme to poke at Paul. Yellows with red accents. And lots of rusty metal work.

Speaking of a new color and codex?

 Thokt wrote:
I'm going to have to come out to one of these tourneys one day, sounds like its a good group. 0-3 here I come!

Having played against you several times now, I think you could absolutely hold your own. Just bring your cut throat units and mind the round time. These events are definitely good fun.


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Also, nice nice nice painting progress mike and paul. With my new job I've barely got time for that part of the hobby :-(

Well, I think I'll shoot for the January tourney. All the touch ups will be done on the Iyanden, and those Sepulchral Stalkers as Wraiths will be finished as well. 1-2 here I come!

Can we use Sentinels Of Terra for this RTT?

They would like to know.

That grass seems to be thriving quite well in the vacuum of space

I miss GE events

Nah, it's Necrons. They have some pocket dimension atmospheric generation algorithm that keeps their lawns fresh, even in the harshest conditions! It's those silly humans trampling the crabgrass that's got Trazyn up in arms.

Necrons: the ultimate grumpy old men. Get off my SPACE LAWN!

 Hulksmash wrote:
I miss GE events

We miss you too Hulk. You're welcome any time travel plans permit!

Sign me up for the tourny please. I will be bringing Eldar (of the darkest variety).

Damn . A three way fully painted army throw down for the favorite army award. I better bring my A game

Did you paint a new army already? Dont think theres a compitition.... Me and my girl were just talking about the only time i won best painted at GE is when you didnt show up. looking forward to seein what you bring to the table.

Im in the process of painting the new army now. Ill have some goodies ready for next week including my super giant artillery battlewagon

Sure its gonna be insane!

what are the painting requirements for this tourny? i have a couple people interested but they are int the middle of putting new armies together.

Fully painted and based to win the Overall prizes and the Best army prize. But its not required to play. Its also factored into your over all score slightly. Bring them down though, the more the merrier.

 oddworx wrote:
what are the painting requirements for this tourny? i have a couple people interested but they are int the middle of putting new armies together.

It's totally okay to bring unprimed models. No one will even blink. The culture is really easy going on paint, that is, you don't have to have any.

You should be sure to come & bring your buddies, if nothing else but to see the spectacle of watching me try play 3 games, with no sleep the night before. Find out why on Saturday.

Well Ill judge you and poke fun of you and your friends if its warranted But then again Ill have you and Paul to worry about for fully painted army shenanigans

lol. I will be the first to bag on their half assed paint jobs!

Im planning to attend this time. Nov 9th. Bakersfield isnt too far away. Lets see if my buddies can tag along.

I will let my Storm Raven shine a light on my marines and make them glow yellow. I'll need it considering the competition, yah, that's you Mike. I have to get a display board going now, thanks a lot Mike, just raise the bar. What's next, video feed and Bose audio? Oh crap, did I just give you an idea?

 sgtpjbarker wrote:
thanks a lot Mike, just raise the bar. What's next, video feed and Bose audio?

Way ahead of you on that front. I just purchased my portable battery ran speaker and got a new MP3 player. So yeah my display board will have audio as well as my games.


And I do what I can. I mean I am sponsored by like 4 different companies now. Kromlech, Poweredplay Gaming, SkillX, and now Secrete Weapon.

 Julnlecs wrote:
Im planning to attend this time. Nov 9th. Bakersfield isnt too far away. Lets see if my buddies can tag along.

Bakersfield is no problem! We have a semi-regular who comes down from an hour north of Bakersfield!

Do you mean Ken?

 Julnlecs wrote:
Do you mean Ken?

I think he does. I know Ken drives a long way and is always an awesome guy to play!

That was fun. Another great RTT Travis. I noticed that the allies list did not do as wll as we all expected. Of course, match ups have a lot to do with that. John and Mike went head to head, that leveled the stats. I had an intense final game against Austin. His psyker actually double crossed him and choose to deep strike off the objective, damn Ork mutant. The Storm Raven being chased by a Dakka Jet, which was being chased by a Storm Talon, for two turns, EPIC! Thank you Austin for a great game which will be remembered for sometime. The new 'nid army that Kirk brought was worth the painting award. I think the painting at GE is about as high as I have ever seen I makes the games really fun and exciting.

Thank you everyone that came. You guys have made GE RTTs a awesome event. I am really looking forward to next month.

So how about that 200pt tournament coming up.

 MikeFox wrote:
So how about that 200pt tournament coming up.

Just how many boyz can be squeezed in? At what, 6 points each? 30 + green skins ....

Me? I was thinkin' filthy tau suits. Three of them, loaded ....

20 grots and 3 Mega Nobz

Sorry couldn't make it to the last one, hope it was fun! Is the one for December a 1750 RTT?

HOLY CRAP! The kill team tournament was amazingly fun! Any one who hasnt tried it out is really missing out. I hope this becomes a staple of the Game Empire events calendar.

Im already planning on a even sillier ork list with some lootas. Or maybe a trukk.

I second that. GE use to do Mini RTTs, but these Kill teams are really way better. I thought the single scenario was going to be an issue, but that was not even a factor. Of course, it helps to have really great people show up too. The game Casey and I had was epic. The loss to Mike was so intense, latter games proves to me how available his two wound nobs were, but they really are t4, so psy-bolt psycannon shots made them stay in cover.

Not knowing the time left and not having a turn counter was my favorite. It really made the game a focus on strategy and tactics instead of a strange turn based focus.

if you were on the fence and didn't show up, you totally need to come to the next one. I hope GE has these at least once a quarter or even every other month. Thanks again to Travis for making awesome boards, keeping great records, and making the day easy and fun.

And next time Ill bring my trench network for a fun board as well as my Malfaux sewer system. Lets see your rhino drive around in that.

In addition every should be getting there lists ready for the RTT next weekend. My ork bikers are looking for some fresh kills and the artillery batteries are stocking extra lobba rounds.

when is the next one?

December 14th.

Do we know what the points level is?

Since we all agreed we can put our big boy pants on, 1750.

Just a quick rules question, what is everyone's feelings on the Puretide Engram Neurochip and arriving from reserves?

For those unfamiliar with this item, it allows you to pick a special rule at the beginning of each movement phase, such as monster hunter, tank hunter, etc.

So the question is, since both reserves and the chip rule happen simultaniously, can a player choose one of the abilities as the unit arrives from reserve?

 gameandwatch wrote:
So the question is, since both reserves and the chip rule happen simultaniously, can a player choose one of the abilities as the unit arrives from reserve?

My bet is that the TO is gonna tell ya, that your Reserved Unit arrives ... and *next* turn, you can use a power from the P.E.N.chip.

Just like Psy-power Blessings, they won't be able to be cast/used 'cause you're not on the table to cast/use 'em at the beginning of the Move' phase.

^^ Copy paste ^^

 Brothererekose wrote:

 gameandwatch wrote:
So the question is, since both reserves and the chip rule happen simultaniously, can a player choose one of the abilities as the unit arrives from reserve?

My bet is that the TO is gonna tell ya, that your Reserved Unit arrives ... and *next* turn, you can use a power from the P.E.N.chip.

Just like Psy-power Blessings, they won't be able to be cast/used 'cause you're not on the table to cast/use 'em at the beginning of the Move' phase.

That would be my guess as well.

Gotcha, makes sense, just wanted to know GE's stance on the subject since Tau has been without an updated FAQ since April...

In any case, excited for the tourny, man am I bringing a silly list!

Can you silly list combat my triple dakka jet silliness list!

I dunno, can you compete with dozens of DRONES, like 27 SNIPER DRONES!?!?!?!

This shall be a battle for the ages. Travis make it so!

I havent been able to make one of these for a few months, are you required to be full painted?

 azgrim wrote:
I havent been able to make one of these for a few months, are you required to be full painted?

No.

This was answered only a page or two ago.

For the next one, I'm bringing what are likely to be unpainted models, along with my fully painted ones.

As a teacher you should know all about not reading


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Also are we playing with all the crazy stuff or just normal things ?


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Dude casey the post on the other page says you need to be painted to win anything.

I was under the impression no 3 colors no money.

 sgtpjbarker wrote:
I was under the impression no 3 colors no money.

It's no 3 colors no Overall award. You can still win best general, best sport etc.

Its ok everyone, me and Paul will be there.

Its a good thing you guys go all the time that really makes it easy not worrying about painting

We paint so you guys dont have toWe also take commission work.


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So Travis can I play with my Stompa this coming weekend?

I will field this one for you Travis. Hells no!

 azgrim wrote:
As a teacher you should know all about not reading

Yep, sadly, I do. Usually, extra homework is assigned when this happens.

What exactly is this "extra homework" ,I know the places where you have worked before......

Woot! My last college finals are on Friday and what a suprise to see that the enxt tourney is on Saturday It's been a long time sinse I've seen you all "Patrick" Does anyone know what time the tourney is supposed to be starting? I see that the post hasn't been updated so couldn't find it.

https://www.facebook.com/events/495803743868664/

Just saw this and though people may want to take a look at the bracket system.

http://www.battlegroundgames.com/forum/index.php?topic=7371.0

Also, have to miss Dec game, ugh!

Christmas themed Daemon army heading your way guys!

1750 right? Any other requirements? As a hilarious side note, it's been so long since I played (outside our home campaign) that I have not faced Tau or Eldar... I expect a short day followed by heavy drinking.

@Blade Walker
Hey, don't even worry about it.. since college started I haven't had a single game of 40k in like who knows how many months but hey playing to have fun is all that matters
On a side note* WOOT SEMESTER IS OVER!!!

 BladeWalker wrote:
Christmas themed Daemon army heading your way guys!

I got a X-mas themed Warlord, let's see how they square off!

 BladeWalker wrote:
1750 right? Any other requirements?

Not that I'm aware of ...

 BladeWalker wrote:
As a hilarious side note, it's been so long since I played (outside our home campaign) that I have not faced Tau or Eldar... I expect a short day followed by heavy drinking.

I'll provide the "Face Eldar" part of your day ...

Now the "Followed by" part? *Followed* ... Huh?

Watch for me calling in my pizza around Game 1's, Turn 4 and then join me for a luxurious 45 minute lunch. You might manage a couple barley pops in that amount of time.

I issue a challenge to all:

Lucky Baldwins: 626-844-0447 . . . . Call in your lunch order and get your lunch ate in time and heiny back in time for Round Two.

-Casey

Ugh...Darn Travis for not updating thread title, I missed the last tourney of the year. Poochie for me!

Winter Break is upon us and I'd like to know if anyone is up for another couple rounds of that 200 point Kill Team gig? Not the new "book" release, but a replay of what we did on the 5th Saturday in Nov?

Maybe a weekday as next Saturday is a Warmachine tourney. The timer part is easily done. Any takers? How about this Friday?

Ill be creating a new thread soon with the 2014 calendar!

So you are running the RTTs now?

No, at least not to my knowledge. Ill be assisting with the 4 larger/special events in the 2014 tournament series. I'll also be watching the thread here to answer any questions I can, promote the tournaments, and provide part of the feedback loop to make future events more to the liking of the tournament patrons.

So if anyone has some idea for the special events of 2014 let me know. There will be more 200 pt. Kill Team tournaments, another fluffy tournament, possibility of an 'Escalation' tournament with a modified D weapon profile. But Id like to hear what everyone liked from last year. And what we can improve upon.

First, I have to say the GE events are the best in tow.

Second, I would like to toss out some ideas, just suggestions really, soon.

I am really up for the Kill Team, I think it needs to be the official rules or a more written up set up rules here. The new rules have six scenarios and no psykers, which I think is a good thing. I would really like to see some themed tournaments. Like, leave your MC at home, epic heros may attend, better bring wheels, or flyers beware, storms are raging, stuff like that. I also like the idea of mini RTTs on weekday nights. I also think a GT would be great in May. I really think all events should require three color min and no proxies. I would even say "as modeled" should be enforced. We spend a lot on figs and walking in with whatever one has laying around is frustrating. I really find it hard to fight empty flying stands, which has happened to me.

I would like to see more terrain too, can we bring stuff in the night before to have more cool stuff? I can bring mine in if I know it will be put away after the event if I can't make it. Maybe we could make a terrain donation for our entrance fee, so I buy a 40k kit to get into a RTT, then build it out to return it for my next entrance fee. The store would get some good new stuff and we could enjoy the community effort.

I'm going to start a new thread with your suggestions Paul. This thread is old and I'm sure a good deal of people are tired of looking at it. If its ok with Travis this should be locked so the new one can start once we hash out some new ideas.