Hello Dakka!

The Road to the BAO tournament was a blast, we had a great event with a huge turnout! Up next we're doing a standard Showdown Tournament, which means the usual three rounds and $10 entry. Points level for this event is 1500, so get your armies ready and get down here!

We'll be giving out another boatload of prizes, including prizes for Best General, Best Army, and Best Sportsman, along with other prizes and random door prizes.

2013 Monthly Schedule:
January 12th: Game Empire Championship Series event - Road to the BAO
February 9th: RTT
April 13th: Game Empire Championship Series event - Swiss Anyone?
May 11th: RTT
June 8th: RTT
July 20th: RTT
Augus 10tht: Game Empire Championship Series event - So Fluffy I could Die!
September 14th: RTT
October 12th: Game Empire Championship Series event - The Warmaster Open
November 9th: RTT Coming up Next!
December 14th: RTT

8:30ish - 9:30 - Set up and talk shop.
9:30am - 10:00 - check-in, sign-up, event preamble, pairings
10:00am - 12:15pm - Round 1
12:15 - 1:00 - Lunch
1:00 - 3:45 - Round 2
4:00 - 6:15 - Round 3
6:30 - Winners announced

Prize support will be awarded to Warmaster (Best Overall), Best Imperial, Best non-Imperial. Best Imperial and Best non-Imperial cannot be awarded to someone who also won the Warmaster or Best General awards. Armies that have allied contingents that are not both Imperial or both non-Imperial are not eligible for the best Imperial or non-Imperial awards.

For all of the Championship Series events, the top spot takes home a boatload of store credit, with another haul of credit divided amongst the subsequent placings, and the usual run of totally random (and hopefully completely useless!) Door Prizes!

We're looking forward to a very cool year, so come down and join us!

I personally think any 'ard boyz style event should have a 2500 point limit, otherwise it's only in name!

On a side note, I'd like to see at least one event to have a large points limit just for fun. some people (myself especially) love bigger games and a one-off tournament might not hurt to see what people think about it. =)

Part of the reason we keep the points at 1850 and below is to avoid double force org nonsense and because we have the hard 4 turn minimum rule.

That said, it is certainly worth mulling over and we can certainly make changes to the final event if it seems people are interested. As a caveat, the 4 turn minimum rule was in effect at the Ard Boyz GE: Pasadena ran and I assume Disdainful would continue that tradition if he ran a 2k+ point tournament.

Also, while I helped to shape the tournament series it is Disdainfuls show and any changes to the format will ultimately be his call not mine since I will be participating in as many of the events as possible not TOing them.

Where/how/when do you sign up? Or rather, do you do pre-reg or just register on site day of?

thefremen wrote:
Where/how/when do you sign up? Or rather, do you do pre-reg or just register on site day of?

Hmmm... That is a question for Disdainful to answer since he is the TO. I will let him know you asked so he can pop in and leave an answer.

You can sign up over the phone at the store, here on dakka, and in person at the store before or on the day of the event. You can also RSVP for the event on Facebook, which, in addition to letting us know that you're coming, qualifies you for a free candy and soda on the day of the event!

You can see the Facebook event page here:
http://www.facebook.com/events/208902599246511/?context=create

I'm looking forward to seeing everyone again, I've been frantically building my Xmas present from John... Cultists! Woo! Now I just need some maulerfiends and warp talons and I'm set!

Are you gonna release the missions being used on the 12th before hand or nah?


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And will painting and sports be counted in with the overall score as usual? Or is it just straight w/l as in the BAO?

 Dok wrote:
Are you gonna release the missions being used on the 12th before hand or nah?

And will painting and sports be counted in with the overall score as usual? Or is it just straight w/l as in the BAO?

We are mirroring the BAO format exactly, which you can find here:

http://www.frontlinegaming.org/community/bay-area-open/warhammer-40000-championships-rules-scenarios-and-prizes/

With one exception: Painting to a 3-color minimum is not required. We're fashioning this one as a practice round for the BAO itself, but it's early enough that I don't expect guys to have their lists set in stone yet.

And, obviously, the terrain will be as applicable to the store's terrain collection, and the prize is different.

As for scenarios, I'm just going to pick three of the listed 7, probably one of each combo, which means one Scouring/Purge, one Crusade/Will, one Guns/Relic. Unless anyone has any specific objections, I figure we'd dry-run the whole kit, so to speak.

If painting were a consideration Dok I wouldn't be able to field my 120 Zombies with Necron Allies !

Actually I am seriously considering going pure CSMs ... I know I am nuts.

Are people playing CSM? I only got to look at the codex once, but I assume the same thing still works... Kill it with fire?


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Thanks T. I will try and drag my ass down there and mangle the rules for a couple hours so that I too can have a beer at lucky baldwins.

Grouchy bear emerges from hiding?! Prepare for my Tau, gonna be a throwback reminder of why I don't play the army much any more.

 Tuff Love wrote:
Grouchy bear emerges from hiding?! Prepare for my Tau, gonna be a throwback reminder of why I don't play the army much any more.

I look forward to this greatly!

I lost to Casey and his SW today with my Necrons. I need to seriously rethink what I am doing before this event and the BAO I think.

 Tuff Love wrote:
Grouchy bear emerges from hiding?! Prepare for my Tau, gonna be a throwback reminder of why I don't play the army much any more.

Is that me or you? I could see it going either way, haha

 Dok wrote:

 Tuff Love wrote:
Grouchy bear emerges from hiding?! Prepare for my Tau, gonna be a throwback reminder of why I don't play the army much any more.

Is that me or you? I could see it going either way, haha

Well, he has been at most of our 6th Ed tournaments so...

Mystery solved!

 disdainful wrote:
Hello Dakka!

2013 Monthly Schedule:

January 12th: “The Road to the BAO”
In support of the largest West Coast 40k tournament, which many of our local players have frequented every year it has been held, our first tournament in the Championship Series will feature a Bay Area Open inspired format.

1750 Points, Bay Area Open missions, Forge World allowed, $20 entrance fee, 40 player limit, 3 rounds, 2:15 rounds, 45 min lunch break. W/L/D with tie breakers as per the BAO format. All games must complete four full turns or both players will be awarded a loss.

8:30ish - 9:30 - Set up and talk shop.
9:30am - 10:00 - check-in, sign-up, event preamble, pairings
10:00am - 12:15pm - Round 1
12:15 - 1:00 - Lunch
1:00 - 3:45 - Round 2
4:00 - 6:15 - Round 3
6:30 - Winners announced

Prize support will be awarded to Best Overall, Best General, Best Painted, Best Sportsman. The winner of this event will receive, in addition to normal prize support, a ticket to the 2013 Bay Area Open 40k Championship event, courtesy of Reecius and the crew from Team Zero Comp!

Hey Dis, you might want to change the leading post if you are not awarding ticket to overall.

There will be a ticket to the BAO for the winnerr, where is your confusion coming from Dave? Just curious so we can fix the issue.

The confusion is does the Best General get the ticket or the Best overall?

That was what I was getting at with my BAO question. Is painting and what not going to be considered to win the ticket? Or is it just best record for the day?

Dave_Fay wrote:The confusion is does the Best General get the ticket or the Best overall?

Dok wrote:That was what I was getting at with my BAO question. Is painting and what not going to be considered to win the ticket? Or is it just best record for the day?

Ah, I see the confusion. We need to change the prize breakdown to represent the BAO system. Thanks for the catch guys! I am pretty sure the intention is to have it work just like the BAO so paint/sports wouldn't factor in so there shouldn't be a best overall and best general award. But hang on for a confirmation on the from Dis. Again, good catch.

My vote is for overall.

My vote is for not that... haha. I will never be able to defeat your massive paint score advantage Dave.

You could commission me to paint your army

If I go to the BAO, I very well may do. Shoot me an email with what you would charge me, yeah?

You better go to the BAO, Dok!!!!!! I know where you live! Muahahah!

But seriously, I hope you make it, you did well in the past. And you know, I hear there's a pretty cool paint studio that can paint your army called, what was it again, oh yeah, Frontline Gaming! haha

And I look forward to seeing who earns that free ticket to the event, good luck everyone!

You gotta lean on him Reece, we're close to losing him! He does all sorts of silly 'real world' stuff these days, like going drinking with people that aren't talking about toy soldiers, and even playing other games... why, I caught him buying Magic cards last month!

As far as the prizing goes, I will consult with Overwatch and post up the results of said consultation asap. Fingers crossed he can untangle himself from the wife and kids(tm) next Tuesday for a game or two, especially since I finally have enough junk to actually play traitor guard (CSMs will have to wait until I bank some creds, those Maulerfiends ain't buying themselves! )

Put me on the list for Saturday please. I promise I won't oversleep this time...

Do I need to sign up more officially to ensure I have a spot or are we good?

Still have no idea what army to play at this or the BAO...

 Reecius wrote:
You better go to the BAO, Dok!!!!!! I know where you live! Muahahah!

But seriously, I hope you make it, you did well in the past. And you know, I hear there's a pretty cool paint studio that can paint your army called, what was it again, oh yeah, Frontline Gaming! haha

And I look forward to seeing who earns that free ticket to the event, good luck everyone!

Oh, I know! I think I'm going to want to play DA. I like the cut of their Jib. I just need to figure out what's good and ship my 30+ termies up to get a decent paint job on them, haha

@disdainful

Magic cards....beers....real life?! WTF, it's like he's become a normal person! We can't stand for this! He needs a 300CC injection of super nerd, stat!

Don't go twards the light, Dok, stay with us! haha

I know, I'm crazy right? I don't like the implication that I wasn't a normal person before, haha

Haha, dude, we're grown men playing with toys, non of us is "normal!"

 Reecius wrote:
Haha, dude, we're grown men playing with toys, non of us is "normal!"

QFT

Seriously though, it's not that there's anything wrong with having normal tendencies... It's just that if you indulge them too often you run the risk of them taking over your life! Horror!

I sorted out the prize issue, as well. In order to best reflect the structure of the BAO, we will be doing Best General as the top prize, and Renaissance Man, Best Painted, and Best Sportsman as subsequent placings. So painting = good, but not necessary for victory. Best Sportsman is in there to encourage everyone to play nice,and give Tufflove and BrotherErekose something to fight over!
There will be plenty of other prizes as well, I'm considering the possibility of doing some BAO style 'best-of' awards if we get enough players. And there'll be door prizes and other odds and ends as usual.

Been getting a lot of calls to the shop and in-person interest, so this one should be a blast!

Hmmm... With painting not involved in the top prize I may just have to go on a building spree and finish off my last 70 Zombies ... Ugh, or just play my Necrons .

So being that the camera man, assistant camera man, and all the Grip and Electric department just quite from the film Im on, we arnt going to be filming this weekend. Looks like the orks will be coming after all.

 MikeFox wrote:
So being that the camera man, assistant camera man, and all the Grip and Electric department just quite from the film Im on, we arnt going to be filming this weekend. Looks like the orks will be coming after all.

Sucks you can't work but it will be good to have you!

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
Hmmm... , or just play my Necrons .

Yeah, play them! I beat 'em once! Har!

Brothererekose wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
Hmmm... , or just play my Necrons .

Yeah, play them! I beat 'em once! Har!

Dis beat them tonight!

That's two in a row for a total of 4 losses out of 21 games. I am losing my edge, time to hop to the next Flavor of the Month Army, DA here I come

I'm all about Dark Angels. Bandwagon for life!

WTF work is back on. Yay for money, boo for missing this tournament... lame

Stop toying with our emotions Mike, it's just rude.

Glad you're getting to work though.

I have committed a list to paper. That means there's like a 40% chance I'll show up for sure!

 Dok wrote:
I have committed a list to paper. That means there's like a 40% chance I'll show up for sure!

Let's say 60% 40% in favor of you showing up. I prefer to be an optimist whenever possible!

60% of the time, I show up every time. It's science.

Well thats nothing, I'm 10 min late 90% of the time like clockwork!

fighting cold i'm 50% chance of making it.

People are dropping like flies!

Guess my Zombie Horde/Cron Air will just have to take that free ticket to the BAO ...

Zombie Robots is terrifying! Can you handle Zombie Bikers from Hell? It's gonna get nuts...

Does anyone have an aegis defence line I can borrow for saturday?

 Dok wrote:
Does anyone have an aegis defence line I can borrow for saturday?

Oh, fer cryin' out loud. Those GW stock holders aren't gonna get those bonuses outta thin air! Go buy it!

 Dok wrote:
Does anyone have an aegis defence line I can borrow for saturday?

I have the walls and an extra comma relay but not any of the weapon options.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
People are dropping like flies!

One guy having to work and one guy getting sick (maybe) is hardly dropping like flies! Besides, Mike is working on a film set... and we all know that means there's still some chance he'll be here tomorrow!

Seriously though, please try to be here early if you're coming; I've been fielding a lot of phone calls and talking to people in the shop a bunch about the event so it looks like we should have a pretty big turnout. I want to make sure everyone gets home at a reasonable time!

I have an unbuilt Aegis, Dok... I suppose I could be finagled into putting it together for you.... Just don't tell me you want a Lascannon instead of a Quad-Gun!

Oh, and Dave... if you come, I'll buy the DayQuil! You've gotten me Starbucks on tournament morning plenty!

Thnks Dis appreciate it.

The utilitarian in me is saying I'm bowing out.

This is the cold that will not die and I'd rather not be "That Frigg'n Guy" coughing all over people mini's n dice.

Hope everyone has fun, GE Pasadena is a good show.

Brothererekose wrote:

 Dok wrote:
Does anyone have an aegis defence line I can borrow for saturday?

Oh, fer cryin' out loud. Those GW stock holders aren't gonna get those bonuses outta thin air! Go buy it!


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 OverwatchCNC wrote:
People are dropping like flies!

Yeah, who'da thought some much 40k would be in the used cabinet and that Warmachine would take over so prominently ...

Oh, you meant from this weekend's tourney ....

AFAIK nobody has dropped 40k for WM at our store. Ish still plays 40k and he is the only one who is taking WM seriously who hadn't already been playing. But I digress, I was referencing : http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/10/health/flu-vaccine-effectiveness/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 it was a super flu reference that clearly went awry...

Too bad you can't make it Dave you'll be missed.


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 disdainful wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
People are dropping like flies!

One guy having to work and one guy getting sick (maybe) is hardly dropping like flies! Besides, Mike is working on a film set... and we all know that means there's still some chance he'll be here tomorrow!

Seriously though, please try to be here early if you're coming; I've been fielding a lot of phone calls and talking to people in the shop a bunch about the event so it looks like we should have a pretty big turnout. I want to make sure everyone gets home at a reasonable time!

I have an unbuilt Aegis, Dok... I suppose I could be finagled into putting it together for you.... Just don't tell me you want a Lascannon instead of a Quad-Gun!

Oh, and Dave... if you come, I'll buy the DayQuil! You've gotten me Starbucks on tournament morning plenty!

Ha! That's certainly been our experience in the past.

disdainful wrote:
I have an unbuilt Aegis, Dok... I suppose I could be finagled into putting it together for you.... Just don't tell me you want a Lascannon instead of a Quad-Gun!

Oh, and Dave... if you come, I'll buy the DayQuil! You've gotten me Starbucks on tournament morning plenty!

Ooohhh, would you??? I do want a lascannon, but beggars can not be choosers. I can pick up my very own with my winnings tomorrow!

 Dok wrote:
Ooohhh, would you??? I do want a lascannon, but beggars can not be choosers. I can pick up my very own with my winnings tomorrow!

Lol you would want a Lascannon...

hrm...

you're better at this game than I am, maybe I should just build it with the Las! Secret new tech!

But yeah, I'll cobble it together for you, Las and all. Then you can take the one you get with your winnings, build a Quad-Gun, and we'll tradesies-backsies!

Sounds like a plan, man! I went by the shop to say hello (and snag a DA book) but Chuck was there and we BS'ed for a while since there were no books. The moral of the story? I'll see you suckers tomorrow!

Well, it's 12:30 am and I had planned on slapping together another 70 zombies for tomorrow but that never materialized... Guess I will just have to do without the huge zombie horde I had planned on .

See you guys tomorrow morning!

More brains for me! I watched Shaun of the Dead for tactical inspiration... you guys are so dead.

I'm packed up and heading out in a few, thanks for the opportunity to practice BAO style.

How'd things go?

Results?
QTY players?
Army Lists?

Thnx.

 Dave_Fay wrote:
How'd things go?

Results?
QTY players?
Army Lists?

Thnx.

I am with Dave. Who took home the glory? Did Dok get his lascannon? How main brains did the zombies eat? Oh the suspense!

 L'Etat C'Est Moi wrote:

 Dave_Fay wrote:
How'd things go?

Results?
QTY players?
Army Lists?

Thnx.

I am with Dave. Who took home the glory? Did Dok get his lascannon? How main brains did the zombies eat? Oh the suspense!

The zombies ate 5 of my Grey Hunters, .. maybe six. It was the blasted Helldrake that did the rest, for Game Two anyway.

Sorry, but all I can recall is Ken (IG) Bestsportsman, and Jake took top dog (Daemons, I think). Steve pulled off Best Army, IIRC (CSM and daemons?).

I assume Dis will post "official" results later but here are some non-specifics.

22 players, good showing! Next time in April we will make it 40 right guys?

The shift towards more boots on the ground meant that very, very, few games finished or even got past turn 4. I am a fast player, Dave and I played a 2000 pr game in 1h 15min before, and none of my games went to turn 5 within the time limit of 2hr15min.

The BAO mission really stratifies the results. There were a lot of people winning games with 5,6,7 points rather than 10,9,8. I am not sure if this is by design or not. Perhaps Reece could weigh in? Also the long game times make me seriously question the 1750 points level. I have never been a proponent of smaller games, I always was in favor of bigger is better in 40k but if the current trend of super slow foot armies with tons of shooting continues my opinion on the points level may be changing.

I managed to have all three of my games go to Turn 5.

Caveat:
My first game was a bit slow to get started and it caused me to miss the extra 30 minutes of Beer Time ( called Lunch Break by some folks, whatever ) That's an important thing and it needed to be said and taken in to account; TOs should be aware of this and schedule Beer Time accordingly.


Seriously,
I agree (as OverWatch and others stated) that 1750, in a foot-slogging meta, with 6e's more Rule Heavy play (that is, more crap to remember to do as you play, eating up more time, e.g. Wall of Death + OverWatch, etc), is a wee bit too long. Instead of a sharp drop to 1500, perhaps 1600 or 1650 might be a less drastic tightening of the time belt.

Then again, why complicate the fix? I can't remember if it's marines, army or just Armed Forces in general, but K.I.S.S.

Keep It Simple, Stupid.

1500 might be a really good idea, especially for 4 Games-in-a-Day GTs.

You guys may have missed the fact that BAO missions are NOT battle points, they are W/L/D with Swiss pairings, meaning that with 22 players, you should have played 5 rounds (probably time prohibitive, I know) and the winner would have been the individual that went 5-0.

If you win a game by 1 point or 10, you still only win. The points in the game are only to track who won (just like Football, Baseball, etc. if you win by 1 touchdown, or 20, you still just win). Accumulated points are used for rankings within a given bracket. For example, if two players finish 2-1, the one who accumulated more points will rank above that player, but still below a third player that went 3-0 but may have had less points.

If you only have time for 3 rounds, then you can use a Battle Point format, but it is not designed to be played that way.


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Oh, and as for points levels, yeah, 6th plays way, way slower. We would like to go 1500 (as we have been told point blank by game designers that that is what the game was built to be played at) but the community is resistant to it.

1750 is as low as we have been able to convince people to go despite the fact that a lot of people don't finish games at that level. When people understand the mission, we find that we have about 90% of the games finish in time at 1750, though, which is acceptable.

 Reecius wrote:
You guys may have missed the fact that BAO missions are NOT battle points, they are W/L/D with Swiss pairings, meaning that with 22 players, you should have played 5 rounds (probably time prohibitive, I know) and the winner would have been the individual that went 5-0.

If you win a game by 1 point or 10, you still only win. The points in the game are only to track who won (just like Football, Baseball, etc. if you win by 1 touchdown, or 20, you still just win). Accumulated points are used for rankings within a given bracket. For example, if two players finish 2-1, the one who accumulated more points will rank above that player, but still below a third player that went 3-0 but may have had less points.

If you only have time for 3 rounds, then you can use a Battle Point format, but it is not designed to be played that way.


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Oh, and as for points levels, yeah, 6th plays way, way slower. We would like to go 1500 (as we have been told point blank by game designers that that is what the game was built to be played at) but the community is resistant to it.

1750 is as low as we have been able to convince people to go despite the fact that a lot of people don't finish games at that level. When people understand the mission, we find that we have about 90% of the games finish in time at 1750, though, which is acceptable.

We know the BAO is w/l/d we just couldn't run it Swiss style.

You still use the "bp" for tie breakers though right? So only winning with 5 points a game will mean if you get to the top table and tie, you probably lose. Not a highly probable situation, I know, but it does certainly effect list design. I don't dislike mission, I dislike the way it makes me play. Does that make sense? Hopefully it does, obviously we need more practice with the missions too!

Maybe after this years BAO you will have an easier time convincing people to play 1500. I may even be on your side this time Reece!! See you in March.

I had an ok day at 2-1 with a list I threw together in the morning. Steve beat all the odds and swung the game from a minor victory in my favor to a huge victory in his in the second round. It was an excellent game though and if I hadn't been so hung over I might've been able to play it a little smarter. I'm still waffling on BAO attendance though. Brian doesn't want to go and my GF can't, so I may have to shack up with one of these weirdos if I want to go.

wow I must say that last round I played was a tough pill to swallow but this tourney revitalized my passion for this game had an awesome time to bad I didn't get that BAO ticket

OK cool, glad you guys understand the mission, but yeah, in a pinch you can play BP if you need fewer rounds.

And yeah, haha, we realized quickly that 1500 would be perfect, but no one wants to play 1500, so we try and cram it all in at 1750 or 1850 and people then get mad because games don't finish on time! Doh! Hahaha, it's tough to please everyone, or even most of the folks.

@thread

Don't waffle on attendance too long, we're coming close to selling out on tickets!

 Reecius wrote:
OK cool, glad you guys understand the mission, but yeah, in a pinch you can play BP if you need fewer rounds.

And yeah, haha, we realized quickly that 1500 would be perfect, but no one wants to play 1500, so we try and cram it all in at 1750 or 1850 and people then get mad because games don't finish on time! Doh! Hahaha, it's tough to please everyone, or even most of the folks.

@thread

Don't waffle on attendance too long, we're coming close to selling out on tickets!

You're not the boss of my waffling!


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Fine, I'm in. Apparently you are the boss of my waffling.

Muahahaha! Call me the waffle lord!

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xiashang56 wrote:
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We actually would have had a qualitative result after four rounds, but we were not set for an event longer than three rounds. So, BPs it was. Still a great event, and I hope everyone had a great time and got a good taste of the BAO missions.

Official tally is as such:

top spot: Jake / chaos daemons
Second: Steve /tyranids
Third: Chris / necrons
Renaissance man: Ben / Dark eldar
Best army: Sen / imperial guard
Best sportsman: Ken / imperial guard

For my part, I like the mission format when it is run Swiss style, overwatch and I have played a few with it now and it's fine. 1750 is too slow, there's just so many little things to worry about, and stack a foot horde meta on top of everything and it is a bit much. I'm thinking 1500 Will be the standard for my local events for a while longer, unless we do something different.

Again, great time, Im looking forward to the next one! Congrats to the winners and thanks to everyone who came out!

Ok guys, I have updated the first post with this month's event! Nutshell version:

1500 points - $10 entry - 3 Rounds

We'll be using the GE tournament format, so slightly modified book missions, nice and simple.

Prizes for Best General, Best Army, and Best Sportsman, among others.

Get your models together and get down here!

1500. Sweet!

Re - Number crunching my list already!

So Ill most likely be a dead man from playing in the Temecula Midnight madness tournament the night before. But if I can make it there in time Ill play as well. Might be late for the first round so we'll see. But 1500 sounds good, change things up a bit.

C'mon Mike! You bring dem Orks, I'll bring dat coffee!

Oh I can be there, its the time issue of their tournament ending around 10am-ish and yours starting at 10am-ish. I will also have my ork terrain table with me. So if you guys give me a buy for the first round if I can't make it in time Ill more then happily play the remaining two games and have an awesome table of scenery for you guys. Let me know

Fox

of course man. We'll work it out so you can attend, and I'll see if I can cobble together some sort of Man of Ceramite award for you for all the driving and games played in such a short period of time.

Sorry guys I can't make this one. I have new student testing Saturday morning. Good luck to you all.

Let us all know how 1500 goes, I am starting to think that may be the 6th ed tournament sweet spot.

@disdainful What's the ruling going to be on hurricane bolters and banner of devastation for this tournament?

 Dok wrote:
@disdainful What's the ruling going to be on hurricane bolters and banner of devastation for this tournament?

Hurricane Bolters, Twinlinked bolters, and Combi bolters, are all pretty clearly included for the Banner of Devastation.

The real question is Stormbolters, and Heavy Bolters.

Under the header "BOLTGUNS" in the BGB (p.56), all bolter weapons are included, including storm bolters and heavy bolters.

Just my $0.02, I won't be there anyway but that's my interpretation of the Banner of Devastation. If GW FAQs it to work on Tactical Termies look out.

Well, I want to make sure that Travis is on the same page as to what is "pretty clear" so I don't bring a list that would work in theory, but not in the saturday tournament.

 Dok wrote:
Well, I want to make sure that Travis is on the same page as to what is "pretty clear" so I don't bring a list that would work in theory, but not in the saturday tournament.

This is a tough one, honestly.

Strictly RAW, the Salvo Stick makes the modification to *every* gun that fires a bolt, from pistols to vulcan megas, as all of them are under the 'Boltguns' heading the in BRB.

I don't think that's what GW meant. This, of course, means that I'm making a personal judgment call, but them's the breaks. For the February event, the Salvo Stick affects Bolters. This means that it does affect Crusader Hurricane Bolters, but not bolt pistols, Storm Bolters, or Heavy Bolters.

I know that the range of the Banner is only 6", and that could be the balance. As ever, I am happy to hear people's opinions on the matter; if there's a reasonable argument that the banner affecting every boltgun in the game is a correctly balanced element of the DA codex, I'm all ears. Bear in mind that RAW, in this case, is not a sufficient argument. We all know there's been plenty of gaffes from GW predicated on their imprecise use of their own terminology.

That sounds like a fair ruling. Its a rather nasty power, including all the bolter category just sound OP.

It's very difficult to build a deathwing list with everything I want at 1500. Damn you gw for making the units cost more and making hammers cost points!!!

It's one of the things I like about 1500; you have to make some choices in listbuilding for most armies, instead of getting to fill all the slots relatively easily.

How'd it go? I couldn't make it, unfortunately. RL smited me.

So is there no tournament in March?

 Dok wrote:
How'd it go? I couldn't make it, unfortunately. RL smited me.

Andy - Overal (IG)
Steve - Best sports (bugs)
Mike - Best paint (screamer/flamer spam)

 MikeFox wrote:
So is there no tournament in March?

There is a normal RT in March and then another special "mini GT" in April.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
There is a normal RT in March and then another special "mini GT" in April.

Unfortunately, there will not be a standard event in March; we had a scheduling conflict come up that put 40k at odds with a monster CCG regional event that will crush the entire store (and most of you know that is no easy task! ), so we'll be on hiatus for a month until the next "Big One" in April.

Which means everyone has plenty of time to get some 1500 point lists tuned... the event in April is the Swiss Tournament, which means we're getting in four rounds of gaming!

Stay tuned to this thread as things develop... I'm going to see about shoe-horning something small into the March calendar, perhaps on the 30th (fifth Saturday)

I want to test run my Thunderwolf/Ork list so yes please to the event on the 5th weekend. BTW I got 3rd place appearance at the BAO. So get ready Ill be rocking it at the Fluffy tournament.

I need some tune ups for adepticon, so I am for doing something.

I could probably make something the last Saturday in March and still be able to attend the 1500 pt Swiss event in April.

Congrats Mike! Those Orks are a sight to see; I'm glad to see them get recognition.

There's a handful of smaller events going on the 30th, but I'm pretty sure it's nothing that preclude us from doing a make-up tournament.

What's the format for Adepticon? We could mirror that so Blackmoor can get his reps.

In any case, I'll be at the shop this afternoon, check my schedule there, and sort out a March event.

Dis, Now that the BAO has passed and forgeworld didn't ruin everyone's lives, will you be allowing that sort of stuff in the store tournaments?

 Dok wrote:
Dis, Now that the BAO has passed and forgeworld didn't ruin everyone's lives, will you be allowing that sort of stuff in the store tournaments?

You mean that it didn't ruin your life.

 Blackmoor wrote:

 Dok wrote:
Dis, Now that the BAO has passed and forgeworld didn't ruin everyone's lives, will you be allowing that sort of stuff in the store tournaments?

You mean that it didn't ruin your life.

Is this a reference to the tau hammerheads with double rail guns that were really double plasma cannons?

This is why I am in favor of FW models only for FW units. FW is not as well known so counts as is a major problem IMO, but if you want to buy the actual model and use it, I am ok with it since I can easily recognize a non-standard model for what it is, non standard.

 Blackmoor wrote:

 Dok wrote:
Dis, Now that the BAO has passed and forgeworld didn't ruin everyone's lives, will you be allowing that sort of stuff in the store tournaments?

You mean that it didn't ruin your life.

Well, Mortis contemptors did ruin my sunday morning but only because I can't roll any good dice against Dave Key and I didn't play my army very well against him.


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 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 Blackmoor wrote:

 Dok wrote:
Dis, Now that the BAO has passed and forgeworld didn't ruin everyone's lives, will you be allowing that sort of stuff in the store tournaments?

You mean that it didn't ruin your life.

Is this a reference to the tau hammerheads with double rail guns that were really double plasma cannons?

This is why I am in favor of FW models only for FW units. FW is not as well known so counts as is a major problem IMO, but if you want to buy the actual model and use it, I am ok with it since I can easily recognize a non-standard model for what it is, non standard.

I used two Mortis dreads from one of the original books and I think they are really the only thing that let me compete against flyers. I played against a 3 helldrake list and managed to down them all, but lost on the last turn to a single dice roll. IMO The dreads turned what would've been a nightmare for me into a very competitive, down to the wire match. So I'm all for it.

I didn't see any caestus assault rams though, so maybe I should shut my mouth before someone drops $300 to win all the tournaments with it. Andy....

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 Blackmoor wrote:

 Dok wrote:
Dis, Now that the BAO has passed and forgeworld didn't ruin everyone's lives, will you be allowing that sort of stuff in the store tournaments?

You mean that it didn't ruin your life.

Is this a reference to the tau hammerheads with double rail guns that were really double plasma cannons?

This is why I am in favor of FW models only for FW units. FW is not as well known so counts as is a major problem IMO, but if you want to buy the actual model and use it, I am ok with it since I can easily recognize a non-standard model for what it is, non standard.

Yes, that was part of it.

If you are going to run forgeworld you really need to have them play forgeworld models only. Also you need to present your opponent with copies of their rules. He had a lot of forgeworld and all I received was an army list.

In the other thread we are all talking about how we do not have enough time and forgeworld just takes a lot longer to explain an to read before the game begins.

I think a good way to break it in is to limit it to one unit selection per army. For example, you can run multiple units of tetras, but you can't take any further forgeworld selections. Also, to have it modeled appropriately as per the rules.

You should have brought it up to Reece, Alan. It seems like you took a lot of grief that should have been put down by the TO's. It's one thing to be a "TFG" and call someone out on their BS, but they are literally cheating you. And in that situation, I wouldn't even consider it being TFG. It's holding your opponent to the expectations you had coming into the tournament.

I have a hard enough time convincing my wife that I NEED to buy anything, let alone spend $300 on bent FW resin.
Feels like I'm moulding a mouthpiece that I paid too much for.
Not that it stops me from wanting to collect (hoard) it by any means.
Don't worry about me in the tournaments by the way, sounds like everyone has enough trouble of their own what with getting beat by a girl...

Any word on the tournament later this month? My Spacewolf/Ork list is almost fully painted. Yes thats right orks and space marines riding giant cybernetic foxes with power weapons. Fun fun for the whole family.

They are having an event on April 13th so they might as well skip one this month.

 Blackmoor wrote:
They are having an event on April 13th so they might as well skip one this month.

Booo! Boooo! Moar tourneys!!! Hssssss, Allan. Hsssssss!

Travis won't let us faithful, dedicated players down. Hpmh!

Unfortunately it's out of my hands this time gents, the 30th is the first ever "International Tabletop Day" borne from Whil Wheaton's gaming podcast, which means we're going to be jammed with board game players all day.

I'll be able to camp a couple tables for minis if guys want to come and get some games in, but we're looking forward to the April tournament at this point.

 disdainful wrote:
Unfortunately it's out of my hands this time gents, the 30th is the first ever "International Tabletop Day" borne from Whil Wheaton's gaming podcast, which means we're going to be jammed with board game players all day.

I'll be able to camp a couple tables for minis if guys want to come and get some games in, but we're looking forward to the April tournament at this point.

Especially since that will probably be my first chance to play since all the madness of moving hit full force a few weeks ago!

I am contemplating CD with CSM allies for this 1500 Swiss event.

That is my chillren's birthday party.. Awwww :(

 disdainful wrote:
Unfortunately it's out of my hands this time gents, the 30th is the first ever "International Tabletop Day" borne from Whil Wheaton's gaming podcast, which means we're going to be jammed with board game players all day.

Another reason why Sheldon hates Wil Wheaton.

 Blackmoor wrote:

 disdainful wrote:
Unfortunately it's out of my hands this time gents, the 30th is the first ever "International Tabletop Day" borne from Whil Wheaton's gaming podcast, which means we're going to be jammed with board game players all day.

Another reason why Sheldon hates Wil Wheaton.

Hmmm... Tabletop Day sounds good too though...

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 Blackmoor wrote:

 disdainful wrote:
Unfortunately it's out of my hands this time gents, the 30th is the first ever "International Tabletop Day" borne from Whil Wheaton's gaming podcast, which means we're going to be jammed with board game players all day.

Another reason why Sheldon hates Wil Wheaton.

Hmmm... Tabletop Day sounds good too though...

Indeed, these.

1500 points? Time for bikes!

I'll be in Vegas. My booze filled work week at my industrys main yearly convention kicks off that day. next time I swear.

 Grimgob wrote:
I'll be in Vegas. My booze filled work week at my industrys main yearly conventionkicks off that day. next time I swear.

Sounds even better! Congrats on this!

I'll try to work in at least one or two from Lucky Baldwins in honor of your absence. You know, there being several opportunities between games with a 4 game schedule.

Brothererekose wrote:

 Grimgob wrote:
I'll be in Vegas. My booze filled work week at my industrys main yearly conventionkicks off that day. next time I swear.

Sounds even better! Congrats on this!

I'll try to work in at least one or two from Lucky Baldwins in honor of your absence. You know, there being several opportunities between games with a 4 game schedule.

And you always say your not a skilled gamer. Casey... you have skills that I admire if you can squeeze beers in on that schedule.

I know I advocated to have smaller points levels at the next few tournaments so games could finish on time. But. It is hard to make a 1500 point list I like! Just too used to the higher points levels I guess.

If I can make an Ork/Thuder Cav list at 1500 and include 4 HQ's, then anyone can make a fun list at 1500

 MikeFox wrote:
If I can make an Ork/Thuder Cav list at 1500 and include 4 HQ's, then anyone can make a fun list at 1500

What's a fun list? I've never heard of that before.

Dis,

Will the new tau codex be in use for the tourney on Saturday, April 13th or still the old one? Will a week be enough?

Officially got the 13th off work, so I'll be down to throw down!

Now to decide which army to bring

-Ian

I was just wondering if there are still spots open?

Consider myself coming as well.

 Phatom wrote:
I was just wondering if there are still spots open?

Call the store and ask.

However, as a veteran of this FLGS, I can tell you that reserving spots has not been the case for the monthly tourneys. Show up, sign in, pay fee, and you're good to go. Just don't show up late.

Again, I recommend that you go ahead and call them directly and ask.

Call the store and ask.

However, as a veteran of this FLGS, I can tell you that reserving spots has not been the case for the monthly tourneys. Show up, sign in, pay fee, and you're good to go. Just don't show up late.

Again, I recommend that you go ahead and call them directly and ask.

Ok I'll do that. And what is there address and phone number. Thanks.

 Phatom wrote:
Ok I'll do that. And what is there address and phone number. Thanks.

15 seconds, to find, copy & paste. Longer to type for you:

1795 E Colorado Blvd Pasadena, CA 91106
(626) 304-9333

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=game+empire+pasadena&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Defiantly coming

Wow, until now I haven't been concerned about gettin a spot but... everybody seems to be comin; may need to uuuu...call up the shop to reserve a spot xD

I will be there!

Hope I can play this guy ^ really been looking to see how my GK fair up to a Veteran =)

Ha! Allan is a push over. I hear he got beat by a gurl once.

Actually, Allan is a great opponent, even when you lose to him.

I'm hoping for a quick game, a Lucky Baldwin run, another quick game, 2nd LB run and maybe a third. Lather, Rinse, repeat.

I know that Grimgob is counting on me to pull it off. I have LB on Speed-Dial, so I'm ready.

I will be there for sure as well.

Look for a new speed painted army to be in attendance for me!

2 days and 800ish points of Daemons? I got this.

Here is the FB event page. Head on over and let them know if you're coming.

https://www.facebook.com/events/145143098999799/

So are there not going to be the usual best painted and sportsmanship awards tomorrow?

No there is best painted and best sportsman too. The FB page event says that.

Ok just checking, otherwise I would bring a cheese list of unpainted silliness. I prefer my painted army though

 MikeFox wrote:
Ok just checking, otherwise I would bring a cheese list of unpainted silliness. I prefer my painted army though

I am bringing a painted army of cheesy silliness! But I am pretty sure you're safe to bring the painted stuff and continue your dominance at winning best army.

For those on the edge of their seats:

Allan's GK took top honors.

Mike D' power armored goons took ... Best General? 2nd?

Mike Fox's orks were painting/favorite army.

Yours truly, Best Sportsman. (izzat the 'humble' icon?)

 Grimgob wrote:

Brothererekose wrote:

 Grimgob wrote:
I'll be in Vegas. My booze filled work week at my industrys main yearly conventionkicks off that day. next time I swear.

Sounds even better! Congrats on this!

I'll try to work in at least one or two from Lucky Baldwins in honor of your absence. You know, there being several opportunities between games with a 4 game schedule.

And you always say your not a skilled gamer. Casey... you have skills that I admire if you can squeeze beers in on that schedule.

@ Grimgob:
I *did* achieve this goal, putting 4 down for the day. I didn't even have to rush back for Day's End announcements.


@Phatom:
Did you actually show up? I forgot to ask the two new guys I played, Thomas or Darrell?

Went out to San Diego, had no clue I was goin x. Hope everyone. Hope everyone had a great time

Brothererekose wrote:
For those on the edge of their seats:

Allan's GK took top honors.

Mike D' power armored goons took ... Best General? 2nd?

Mike Fox's orks were painting/favorite army.

Yours truly, Best Sportsman. (izzat the 'humble' icon?)

How deep was the field. Looking at their facebook page there were 6-8 people in attendance.

Only 10, which was kinda of a let down. I thought there would be a bigger turnout. Hopefully the next one will have more people. And damn it I want a huge turn out for the Fluffy tournament, Ill be unveiling some new orky stuff then.

no_to_co wrote:
How deep was the field. Looking at their facebook page there were 6-8 people in attendance.

Allan's GK
Mike D's Muhreens
OverWatchCNC had daemons.
2 DE armies - Darrell's BeastMaster/Baron & assorted army and Ian's Venom Spam
1 vanilla SM
My SW/IG.
Mike F's Orks
Trevor's CSM
Thomas's Chariot flavored Necrons.

Brothererekose wrote:

no_to_co wrote:
How deep was the field. Looking at their facebook page there were 6-8 people in attendance.

Allan's GK
Mike D's Muhreens
OverWatchCNC had daemons.
2 DE armies - Darrell's BeastMaster/Baron & assorted army and Ian's Venom Spam
1 vanilla SM
My SW/IG.
Mike F's Orks
Trevor's CSM
Thomas's Chariot flavored Necrons.

While it was a small turnout the competition was pretty fierce. There were some great players with great lists in attendance.

I agree with Mike hopefully the next one will get a bigger turnout. I have something really special planned for the fluffy tournament! It will be a 100% brand new army once again, with some really cool conversions and FW models too.

@Phatom:
Did you actually show up? I forgot to ask the two new guys I played, Thomas or Darrell?

Yep, I was Thomas

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

I agree with Mike hopefully the next one will get a bigger turnout..

They need to hype this better. I was in the store 2 weeks ago and talked to the owner about what was going on in his store related to 40K and he did not even mention this tournament. They had no mention of it on their facebook page for the last 2-3 weeks either. I only found out about it because I saw this thread here 3 days ago. Not enough time for me to make arrangements to come.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

I have something really special planned for the fluffy tournament! It will be a 100% brand new army once again, with some really cool conversions and FW models too.

You know there will be a comp score as well

 MikeFox wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

I have something really special planned for the fluffy tournament! It will be a 100% brand new army once again, with some really cool conversions and FW models too.

You know there will be a comp score as well

Ya I know. They are just FW models for current GW units. FW rules aren't allowed in the July tournament but the FW models I have don't need their own rules.


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 OverwatchCNC wrote:

I agree with Mike hopefully the next one will get a bigger turnout..

They need to hype this better. I was in the store 2 weeks ago and talked to the owner about what was going on in his store related to 40K and he did not even mention this tournament. They had no mention of it on their facebook page for the last 2-3 weeks either. I only found out about it because I saw this thread here 3 days ago. Not enough time for me to make arrangements to come.

Sorry to hear about that. Check the opening message in this thread. It outlines the next two major 40k events at the store, also the 2nd Saturday of the Month is a 40k RTT.

Forgive me if it's too early for this, but how soon can we expect to know what the comp guidelines will be for FluffBunnyKillPocalypse 2013? Trying to decide if it's worth all the trouble to attend that one,

 Loch wrote:
Forgive me if it's too early for this, but how soon can we expect to know what the comp guidelines will be for FluffBunnyKillPocalypse 2013? Trying to decide if it's worth all the trouble to attend that one,

The focus on that day is just to have 3 fun games and see what cool things people have been working on. First prize is supposed to go to Best Army that day so I would imagine the comp restrictions won't be that heavy considering winning the actual tournament is secondary to having the coolest looking army. When I was coming up with this idea I didn't envision the Fluffy tournament having a super restrictive comp system just a comp vote by the players like we used to do way back in 4th and the very beginning of 5th.

You didn't take it all with last minute Daemons, John?

 Dok wrote:
You didn't take it all with last minute Daemons, John?

I thought he was for a minute, but thanks to him failing his first 2 grounding checks and an 11" charge through cover he didn't.

 Dok wrote:
You didn't take it all with last minute Daemons, John?

yep, I almost did. Alan caught an awesome 11 in charge through cover at the bottom of 5 to take out my Great Unclean one and surge ahead in KPs. It was a rough and close game I had with him.

Nurgle daemons are dirty. Having a 2+ cover save for 80% of the game is just nuts.

Hooray Grey Knights!

Is there still the tournament this month that happens the second week of every month?

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
Nurgle daemons are dirty. Having a 2+ cover save for 80% of the game is just nuts.

I bet tau got something to say about that.



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 Dezstiny wrote:
Is there still the tournament this month that happens the second week of every month?

As far as I know, yes. I plan to bring something new too, like Overwatch. he's prolly just gonna bring the flavor of the month though.

Pff. Tau.

Brothererekose wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
Nurgle daemons are dirty. Having a 2+ cover save for 80% of the game is just nuts.

I bet tau got something to say about that.



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 Dezstiny wrote:
Is there still the tournament this month that happens the second week of every month?

As far as I know, yes. I plan to bring something new too, like Overwatch. he's prolly just gonna bring the flavor of the month though.

Pff. Tau.

I don't own Tau!

I can't be at the May tournament, we are hosting a friends party that evening and my day is more than likely going to filled with that!

Ill e there as well with some new ork silliness

I can't make it Saturday either, friend's birthday dinner that night and the schedule is too tight.
Good luck guys, don't let Casey fill your head with nonsense about how the Tau codex is "awesome" or "good" or even "passable"

 Tuff Love wrote:
Good luck guys, don't let Casey fill your head with nonsense about how the Tau codex is "awesome" or "good" or even "passable"

What if he said it was horrid?

We'll see everyone who can make it (read: guys who aren't handcuffed to silly stuff their wives planned! ) on Saturday!

I am going to see if I can make it for the first round as a ringer to show some support!

How many points is may 11?

I believe they are keeping it at 1500 until the July special event.

ok i thought it was 1750 for some reason

The FB page confirms it at 1500.

thanks

 Tuff Love wrote:
I can't make it Saturday either, friend's birthday dinner that night and the schedule is too tight.
Good luck guys, don't let Casey fill your head with nonsense about how the Tau codex is "awesome" or "good" or even "passable"

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...

ad nauseum.

Lets just say its better then the ork dex'

And there is the possibilityIll have to work OT so Im a maybe now.

I have a birthday this weekend, and will not be able to go. :(

Results?

Some little bird told me that an old, non-competitive, codex army won the day.

Yeah due to me and the opponent not being able to count to turn 5

Best general was decided by sportsmanship scores (I still wish to give props to the propa smashing the Orks gave out). Soft scores suck and I'm all for thumbs up/thumbs down, as long as you have a reason to thumbs down. 40k has gak all to do with chipmunking when someone gets butt hurt about loosing. I might be excitable but I'm not a jerk to anyone.

Shameless bump and promotion:

Time to start tooling your lists to beat tau kids! I'm gonna bring the MissileSide spam and take that Top Spot!

Punks!

June 8th RTT is gonna be *mine*.

... unless Andy brings his Guard, but I think he'd rather try to win on his skills and tactical acumen, not just broken, push-button Leaf Blower.

C'mon, Andy. Bring *your* tau and then we can duke it out at Table 1! Everyone else can stand around and grumble about how OP tau are.

Yeah!

What are the thoughts on Eldar at this one?

For the last one Tau had only been out a week and it was allowed. I can only assume the same would apply here.

Don't expect an official answer soon, Travis is at Lock and Load and Monday he is off.

So is the tournament this weekend a go still?

New to the event, do we submit our lists in advance, or the day of? and what is a good time to arrive?

 gameandwatch wrote:
New to the event, do we submit our lists in advance, or the day of? and what is a good time to arrive?

Submit lists morning of. Arrive after 9 but preferably before 10. I usually get there around 9:45-10:00 and that puts me firmly in the later, to almost late, bracket.

Wats the policy on incomplete, unpainted and the like? Work has been crazy and though ill have the models to play almost nothing is painted and a few models are incomplete...

You should still be fine, Many of the games empire tournaments normally have someone or 2 with an unfinished army. Just come down and enjoy a good time with the rest of us. That's right finally a tournament I'll be able to get to since finals for college are up

Is this still 1500? If nothing else is going on I might turn up for this.

 gameandwatch wrote:
Wats the policy on incomplete, unpainted and the like? Work has been crazy and though ill have the models to play almost nothing is painted and a few models are incomplete...

As far as the incomplete models, you might at least have legs and torso. We are pretty casual about proxies (plasma gun here, LasCan there), but maybe not a buncha kroot for plague marines.

Paint? No sweat. there is a Best Paint, but if you're untainted, as Deztiny said, you will be okay.

C'mon down.

Phazael wrote:Is this still 1500? If nothing else is going on I might turn up for this.

Here ya go, Q:

https://www.facebook.com/events/305496006251412/

Ill be attending and revealing my new SpaceWolves so dont worry about paint jobs or anything HOWEVER please feel free to kick my ass in the game as my power armor saves are horrible

 MikeFox wrote:
Ill be attending and revealing my new SpaceWolves so dont worry about paint jobs or anything HOWEVER please feel free to kick my ass in the game as my power armor saves are horrible

Being the nice guy that I am, I'll spare you from having to make those armor saves in the first place.

Hey hey hey, not every gun you have is AP2. Besides Im bring like 90 orks so I can roll some ones with them to make up for it

I'm in for Saturday as well.

Now I just have to figure out how to get all this super glue off my fingers...

 Loch wrote:
I'm in for Saturday as well.

Now I just have to figure out how to get all this super glue off my fingers...

Just get new fingers...I hear they've made great advances in prosthetics. Maybe you can get some teflon coated ones!? Plus, you never have to worry about cutting them with a Hobby knife ever again.

I do work in the Fx industry....

 MikeFox wrote:
I do work in the Fx industry....

Then what more do we need!?

Hey Loch, I noticed your Avatar has the new Eldar flyer in it, are you bringing Eldar with that model? I'm just curious if you have had any experience with it and what you think about it. I may or may not bring Eldar and may or may not bring one of those Flyers =).

It's looking good for me being in attendance! Prepare for 1500 points of Nurgle Daemon madness .

 mortetvie wrote:

Hey Loch, I noticed your Avatar has the new Eldar flyer in it, are you bringing Eldar with that model? I'm just curious if you have had any experience with it and what you think about it. I may or may not bring Eldar and may or may not bring one of those Flyers =).

My avatar pic is a DE Razorwing, not any of that new Eldar higgledy piggledy
I haven't played a game with any new Eldar units yet.

But I think on paper both of the new Eldar flyers are useful. The Hemlock requires more of the list built around it, whereas the Crimson Hunter just kills one flyer per shooting phase. You'll need to be careful with both, since they're AV 10 with no defensive measures outside evade. Using terrain and Vector Dancer you might be able to keep them in the air longer tho.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
It's looking good for me being in attendance! Prepare for 1500 points of Nurgle Daemon madness .

You only get you 2+ save from shooting. Ill still punch your dudes to death.

 Loch wrote:
I'm in for Saturday as well.

Now I just have to figure out how to get all this super glue off my fingers...

Nail Polish Remover is a clumsy modelers best friend (I dont know what I did before I met my wife).

 Grimgob wrote:

Nail Polish Remover is a clumsy modelers best friend (I dont know what I did before I met my wife).

My problem is that invariably every hobby session of mine ends with a personal sacrifice to Khorne. Between the QuikClot and super glue debonder it gets very messy indeed!

Turns out my life conspired against me at the last minute and can't go tomorrow. Sorry, see you all next time.

Damn it John, stop putting off out epic rematch...

 MikeFox wrote:
Damn it John, stop putting off out epic rematch...

We just need to schedule a match! Let me know when.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 MikeFox wrote:
Damn it John, stop putting off out epic rematch...

We just need to schedule a match! Let me know when.

Summer time. No work for teachers, John. And Mike, you've got time.

I'll bring popcorn. And some Don Rickles vintage heckling.

So what were the results of the June tournament?

Adam Gati's Eldar took top spot.
Dustin was Best General, Cron Air.
IIRC, Tony was Best Sport.
Mike Fox took paint.

Brothererekose wrote:
Adam Gati's Eldar took top spot.
Dustin was Best General, Cron Air.
IIRC, Tony was Best Sport.
Mike Fox took paint.

But of course!

Eldar are going to be good, I am telling you...

Hey I came in 5th as well. Im getting better. I only lost one game and by a single kill point

 OverwatchCNC wrote:


Eldar are going to be good, I am telling you...

Not that you'd know it from how every Riptide in three counties was dancing across the Game Empire tables on Saturday...

Yeah riptides with Interceptor backing up firewarriors is pretty good. So are Misslesides.


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I went 3-0 with a fairly basic list with very few tricks, just a good mix of shooting and markerlights. Honestly, Andrew would have clobbered me if he had gone first in out tau on tau battle (he plays more and has more experience with the army), but losing his markerlights on turn one set him back a bit and I had the more valuable objectives.

I think once people get a better handle on how to come at the Tau and properly deal with riptides, the army won't seem as nasty. Its most definitely the strongest 7th edition era codex, though. And a lot of fun to play.

How did people run their Riptides? The Tau player I faced off against had the Skyfire/Interceptor set-up with the Heavy Burst Cannon and SMS...Not sure if Ion weapon is worth it but if the Riptide is ignoring cover it will prob do a ton of damage with either system.

 mortetvie wrote:
How did people run their Riptides? The Tau player I faced off against had the Skyfire/Interceptor set-up with the Heavy Burst Cannon and SMS...Not sure if Ion weapon is worth it but if the Riptide is ignoring cover it will prob do a ton of damage with either system.

Most of the ones I saw were Ion/TL fusion Riptides.

I may give the Fluffy tourney a try in July, is the points going to be 1850 for sure? Is there a painting or comp rubric that we can review for it? Thanks for any info guys.

The thing we used to do in Wisconsin to make things fluffy is run Highlander tournaments. There can be only one. Most armies get a lot more tame when you cannot spam choices. Of course, if you do that in 7th, every mission with objectves needs to have additional scoring unit options so as to not screw over books with limited troop selections. So, Highlander with Big Guns, Purge, and Crusade with Elites added as scoring for that mission, is what I would do. It always led to some fun armies and games back in the day, since people can't just spam the same crutch unit (dedicated transports limited to one of a kind as well).

Hmmm, think I may actually do that for the next Merc Market tourney I run, now that I think about it.

I do like the highlander idea, but that hurts some of us who have put extensive time scratch building units(mainly dakka jets) that arnt all that hot to begin with. But Id be willing to sacrifice my 3 jets for a balanced and fun playing field.

Well the way those fliers are converted in your army, they could each be one of the three types of fliers. Remember the idea is that no one gets to spam.

Oh I like that.

Hey Gents! I posted a pickup game for Game Empire in the find a game thread. Thought it'd be nice to have an active means of scheduling good games with great folks!

I have my army mostly ready but I am concerned about playing 1850 games in 2 hours. It usually takes closer to 3 for any games over 1500. Will the favorite army/painting scores be judged by our peers or by a checklist? Is it just the honor system on creating fluffy/themed lists or will there be some standard of list design we need to follow? Thanks.

Agreed,some information at least more then a week in advance would be awesome

Hey guys, sorry for the static lately. With Davis leaving and having to hire/train/etc. new staff and deal with all the issues associated with a core team member leaving, I haven't had a lot of time to make sense of the blur the last couple months have been.

Unfortunately, we have yet another Magic Pre-release tournament going down on the second Saturday, and according to Q, July is going to be pretty busy for some of the players out there, which muddies the water even further. We have a couple options:

1 - Run a mega battle / alt event on the 13th this month, and re-schedule the Fluff tourney to go down in August. This has the benefit of not abandoning the 40k event for the month completely, and makes sure that everyone's in and out before the store gets crushed again for the Saturday pre-release in the afternoon/evening. On the other hand, we've gotten some good traction behind the competitive events (19 players at the last one!), so running back-to-back months of fun/fluff type stuff might be less than ideal.

2 - Run a regular RTT tournament in July, possibly on the third weekend. This keeps the tournament event rolling, while it does throw the regular schedule off and we will be rubbing shoulders with the board game meetup all day.

3 - We can run the Fluff tournament in July, on the third Saturday instead of a regular event if everyone prefers. This option has the same issues as the above.

What do you guys think? I'm happy to move dates around to fit the event into July, it's just been expressed to me that people don't have a lot of time this month and trying to shoe-horn the event in might throw things off...

Im for the RTT 1500 on the third weekend, and the fluffyness of fluffydom in august. personally.

I would like a regular RTT the third weekend as well. Perhaps a 1750-2000 point tournament to prepare for upcoming tournaments (Golden Throne GT is 2k but many other GTs are going to be 1850 like the upcoming Feast of Blades).

Probably not going to go any higher than 1500, particularly if we are doing an off event. When we jump up points, it'll be a thing, we'll schedule extra time so we can have longer rounds, make sure everyone has plenty of time to get models ready, etc.

One thing that's been tossed around is a 1850 or 2k event, no Allies allowed. Mix things up.

1850 no allies for the next "thing"

I like option 2. RTT this month and the fluffy event in August.

On a side note the fluffy event is going to be a higher point level so everyone can show off their cool armies! Granted it is supposed to be a less competitive event but you can still practice your larger lists.

Im for option 2 as well. But it would be nice to get some guidelines to this tournament sometime.

Pretty bummed about this, I have had that Saturday blocked off my schedule for months. Was looking forward to being able to show off and play with models that have been collecting dust.

I personally can't make it second Saturday of August or July 20.

Push the MTG people to Sunday and let us keep our regular day!

-Trevor

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
I like option 2. RTT this month and the fluffy event in August.

On a side note the fluffy event is going to be a higher point level so everyone can show off their cool armies! Granted it is supposed to be a less competitive event but you can still practice your larger lists.

I'm with MikeFox and OWCnC. Option number Two means I can make it.

Ironically I just got a job for that weekend. So I wont be able to make a tournament on the 3rd weekend. But Im more interested in the fluffy tournament anyway.

I would like to emphasize Option #2.

redacted.

Well poop. All painted up and no where to go...

I might be able to come out the 20th for a RTT. I'm getting the itch to play again, I just can't remember how...

 BladeWalker wrote:
Well poop. All painted up and no where to go...

I might be able to come out the 20th for a RTT. I'm getting the itch to play again, I just can't remember how...

That's alright, Dustin. Bring your HellTurkeys and you're basically running a "push-button" army.

But my Daemons have a new book now! I only have one Dragon and he is sadly still staring at me from the paint table like "WTF dude?".

With less than a week to go, do we have an answer on this?

Indeed, so what is the plan for the tournament this month? =)

Soooooooooo? If nobody responds I say we just show up and have the tourney anyways. Anarchy!

https://www.facebook.com/events/281597698647522/

JUST found out my plans were cancelled the 20th, then checked this thread. Maybe you can post details here for non Facebook users?

From the FB event page.

Come down for the July installment of our wildly popular 40k tournament series!

We're doing this one on the third Saturday this month, thanks to side-by-side Warmachine and Magic special events crushing the store on the usual weekend.

This event is another one of our successful 'Showdown' format: 1500 points, 3 rounds of play, battle points and sportsmanship contributing to the overall winner, with additional prizes for best Sportsman, Best Army, and Best General, as well as random door prizes and various 'story awards' for epic deeds and harrowing circumstance throughout the day!

So get those armies together and get down here for a day of battle!

And don't forget that next month we'll be doing our Fluff Bunny tournament, where painting counts for almost half of your score! Full details and event info for that will be up soon!

Also important to note, also from the FB event page:

I'll make this announcement now, and it will be repeated many many times so it has time to sink in: starting in September, only fully painted armies will be eligible to win the overall prize in our regular events. Three colors minimum (primer counts), with a finished base.

Hey everyone! Just a reminder that our July event is coming up this weekend. Remember, this one is a regular tournament; the Fluffy Bunny special event will be in August, back on our regular Second Saturday schedule.

We learned a lot from running Store Wars over the weekend, so keep an eye out for more details on the Warmaster Cup, coming up in October. If all goes well, we'll be running that as a GT-style event with a bigger prize pool.

See you Saturday!

You should make a prize pool so large we can swim in it like Uncle Scrooge McDuck! Nothing like swimming in a sea of shiny sharp-edged GW product!!!

I bet Tom Kirby does something similar with a liquid form of the gaming community's discontent with GW policies...

In all seriousness, looking forward to upcoming events.

Says "starts at" does that mean arrive at 10 or be ready to play at 10?

 oddworx wrote:
Says "starts at" does that mean arrive at 10 or be ready to play at 10?

People start showing up about 930.game start seems to vary, but it's always been going by 10:30 when I'm there.

How many players showed? Who won?

There was about 16 players. I don't know his last name, but Adam won with a crazy Daemon/CSM build. I played him and was bewildered the whole time. He had like 20 psychic powers going a turn and he was able to keep up with them. My brain checked out due to overload. Ken won the best dude award, and I won best painted (thanks to Mike Fox for not showing up). Great tourny!

I aim to please.

3 Heralds, Fateweaver and a Chaos Sorcerer actually do put out 20 powers lol... but I only cast relevant buffs/witchfires so that was like 10 ish powers a turn?...Still a lot of book keeping =(.

Hope you had fun at least, your eldar were very nicely painted and inspired me to go out and buy an Airbrush! If anyone is interested, Michaels has some 40% off coupons and a sale going on for a few days, I got a Badger Patriot for 104 after tax (normally 160 at the store).

Thanks to all for the fun and challenging games.

It was plenty fun. Looking forward to seein your stylin paint airbrushed Daemons.

So any rules on the comp aspect of the fluffy tournament?

 MikeFox wrote:
So any rules on the comp aspect of the fluffy tournament?

It is scored like an old school RTT. This means that each player grades his opponents army on Comp. Paint is scored like most major GTs on a rubric involving, 3 colors minimum, squad markings, army markings, complete bases, conversions, greenstuff scultping.

Ah, ok. Wasn't sure if there was going to be a set of comp rules. Opponent grading seems fine.

 MikeFox wrote:
Ah, ok. Wasn't sure if there was going to be a set of comp rules. Opponent grading seems fine.

I am cool with it in an event like this. It means you can still bring good lists as long as they aren't too bout of control.

And now I hear after this event(our normal RTT's) you can only get prize support if you have a fully painted/based army. Is that true? What happens if the wining army isnt painted, does it go to second place or does more money go to the other winners?

 MikeFox wrote:
And now I hear after this event(our normal RTT's) you can only get prize support if you have a fully painted/based army. Is that true? What happens if the wining army isnt painted, does it go to second place or does more money go to the other winners?

No, you can only win best overall if your army is painted to a 3 color minimum with a finished base. That player can still win best General just not best overall.

If we're going "fully painted and based" in September does that mean I need to start putting sand on all my clear flying stands?

I expect sand everywhere. On the model, in the model, on the base, on the floor...

Also, does Game Empire have an official stance on whether the Wave Serpent's Serpent Shield counts as a weapon for 'Weapon Destroyed' damage results? And if so, does the vehicle also lose the ability to downgrade penetrating hits once the shield is destroyed?

I heard there was some shenanigans with the winner, what happened?

Is forgeworld going to be allowed in the fluffy tournament?

 MikeFox wrote:
Is forgeworld going to be allowed in the fluffy tournament?

It wasn't supposed to be. Ultimately it is Travis' call but when I drew up the tournament schedule only the first special one allowed FW.

Doesnt really matter to me.

 MikeFox wrote:
Is forgeworld going to be allowed in the fluffy tournament?

I heard the list was over in points and there were some assaults out of a portaglyph. But that is second or third hand I wasn't there for the last one so I am not certain.

did the tournament happen this month yet?

toocool61 wrote:
did the tournament happen this month yet?

The July 20th normal RTT occurred. This weekend on Saturday will be the special fluffy tournament. See the OP on page 1 of this thread for details.

Ok everyone, the facebook event page for this month's event is up. Check it:

https://www.facebook.com/events/1389729657919883/#

For those who are link unabled for various reasons:

This event is run as a strict old-school style RTT, out of the tournament packets of yore. That means that battle points, composition, sportsmanship, and painting are all rolled into a player's overall score to determine the winner! May the best player/sport/hobbyist/listbuilder win!

Points level for this event is set at 1850, so players can show off more of their awesome painted minis, and will have 2 hour and fifteen minute rounds. We'll be playing book missions as usual, unless I can hop in the wayback machine and find some vintage RTT scenarios to inflict on everyone.

If time permits, I'll be doing my part for the fluff as well, staging themed tables with unique special rules for each.

Please be prompt in the morning if you are attending; with the larger armies on the field I want to make sure we kick off on time so we can get the event wrapped before it gets too late.

My schedule freed up, I'm stoked to be able to make it this Saturday and use some seriously under powered and over costed units I spent a ton of time building and painting. Defilers, land raiders, and zerkers OH MY!

Unfortunately, none of my armies are painted completely and I really wouldn't want to enter a tourny like this without it completed (since it gives me no chance to win, seems pointless)

 gameandwatch wrote:
Unfortunately, none of my armies are painted completely and I really wouldn't want to enter a tourny like this without it completed (since it gives me no chance to win, seems pointless)

That's the point.

Our Second Saturday event has run monthly for something like six years now, and the vast majority of those have been open-field events with all armies in contention to win. This event was specifically designed as a part of our 2013 series at the beginning of the year so players could look forward to a fully painted event. The intent was to give players who've got a fully painted list that maybe doesnt' get to see daylight all that much a chance to get it on the table, and give guys plenty of advance notice so they could get armies complete and participate.

That being said, battle points in this event still count for a significant portion of the score, and minimum painting required can be as simple as primer, two colors and a base, so it isn't an insurmountable hurdle.

 gameandwatch wrote:
Unfortunately, none of my armies are painted completely and I really wouldn't want to enter a tourny like this without it completed (since it gives me no chance to win, seems pointless)

Err. "No chance to Win". Oy.

I win 1 in 4 of my tourney games ... yeah, it has been easy enough to keep track for 2 years+.

So what? So, you get to see several great lookin' armies, and play a few great games. Odds are, you don't win the whole enchilada. Even if you're Andy.

Go. Attend. Play.

Go in my place, since I'm otherwise scheduled, Game&Watch.

Yeah, anyone going to a tournament expecting to win is being ridiculously arrogant, not to mention unrealistic. Even the best players run into situations they are unprepared for or get hosed by dice from time to time. Tournaments, especially three rounders, are more about getting some games in and fleshing out an army list.

Speaking as a generally terrible painter, getting to a three color standard is child's play, especially in 40k. Get a couple base colors on there and do a little wash work. Glue some dirt on the base and dry brush a little. Go back and detail a little (use a paint pen if you are really lazy) and gloss coat that crap. Done. I recently added 1k ish to my Iyanden collection to incorporate the new stuff and it took me about a week to get it all done, including assembly. Three color standard is not that hard and no one, even us crummy painters, likes facing the grey legs glued on the base work in progress army. Show some respect to the store, your opponents, and yourself and get it to three color.

Anyhow, I can't be at the next one due to our league BBQ happening on Saturday, which might be pulling a couple other regulars away as well. I will most definitely be at the next one, if its mandatory 3 color. I don't mind people bringing the pain, but I am tired of playing proxyhammer and greyhammer all the time.

I don't like grading an oponent's comp because it just ends up being an extension of their sportsmanship. Most players just give away perfect comp if their opponent has good sportsmanship.

If you really want comp to be judged at the end of the final round have each player rank their opponents from best comp to worst.

 schadenfreude wrote:
I don't like grading an oponent's comp because it just ends up being an extension of their sportsmanship. Most players just give away perfect comp if their opponent has good sportsmanship.

If you really want comp to be judged at the end of the final round have each player rank their opponents from best comp to worst.

The issues we've had with scoring anything at the end of the event is that by the time players are at the end of the day, they're spent and their scoring is often a reflection of fatigue rather than accuracy (that last guy was fine, so best... uh, I don't really remember the first guy, so worst), and it creates situations, combined with the above, which can make it difficult for players from outside the local group to get higher scores (Well, I know Randy and Mark and their lists are always fine, so they get the best scores... I don't know whathisname from round two, so... worst)

That being said, it's a local event which has its own idiosyncrasies. Personally, if there's going to be comp at an event, I like how QCR and some other events do it, with a separate panel of judges scoring comp for each list. Sadly, that's not an option for a Saturday tournament with one judge!

@Q - One of the reasons for the 3-color minimum to win overall decision was that we around the store were starting to get tired of greyhammer/proxyhammer as well. Obviously, it's not every player, and Best General will still be open to all players, but I wanted to try something to encourage guys to play it painted, and to see if it would get some of the guys I know who have painted armies out there to break them out in the interest of a fun day playing against other finished lists. Hopefully it works!

I'm all painted, but not based at all. Is that fine?

toocool61 wrote:
I'm all painted, but not based at all. Is that fine?

Points for basing are a part of the painting score, but not nearly enough to hinder your chances of winning if you're otherwise fully painted (and you win a game or two, of course! )

So bring it!

Really wanted to make this one, but something always happens to prevent me from coming back out to see you all. Given the nature of the event, maybe someone will take pictures of the armies?

Good luck, have fun all.

Given how excited I am about 40k and my Nurgle Army I am pretty bummed I have to bail on this one too. Good luck, I hope some really great looking armies make it out!

Results?

Ish won best general, he went 3-0, he is truly a legend in his own mind. Michael got best army, all the pretty lights. Trevor won best overall, surprised him more than anything. I got best sportsmen, probably because you forgot to show up.

The day was really great. Travis set up a shrine to the unknown god or some such thing. I played on that one first. He bought some new felt in brown so now the turd droppings look betterish? The tables were well done, but the time for new terrain is really past. I had to move the 14" high trees a number of times, because they fell more times than I want to count. I really wish the store would get some new stuff.

You should have been there, the day was well worth it.

Paul J

I took the top prize due to Mike L. and Carlos getting a hard fought draw at the top table.

This proves my long held theory that you can't win with helldrakes. if you want to be cut throat you bring a Land Raider full of Berzerkers and a Defiler!

And then make sure to block it in with an immobile rhino and some impassable terrain. Thats the new 6th ed meta right there

 MikeFox wrote:
And then make sure to block it in with a immobile rhino and some impassable terrain. Thats the new 6th ed meta right there

I hate it when that happens!

 MikeFox wrote:
And then make sure to block it in with an immobile rhino and some impassable terrain. Thats the new 6th ed meta right there

That was an elite "tactic" that clenched the win.

Congrats on bagging a win Trevor!

That Land Raider move was pretty sweet. I heard the tank survived the whole game, even!

It was too bad he couldn't have shot that Defiler in the back. That would have been even sweeter!
Regardless of all that, congrats to Trevor for his win, and Trev, that Riptide will be here Friday.

In other news, the thread title has been updated for next month's event. We're going back to 1500 points, but keeping 2.5 hour rounds. As a special bonus for next time, there will be battlefields with climate effects! I almost finished my dust storms, poison gas clouds, and rules for the fluff tournament, but since it didn't make it in for the last one, we'll do it for the next one!

So we'll see everyone again in September!

Hey everyone, a quick note for this event:

We will be using the new SM book at this tournament.

Also, John's Facebook status says 'maybe', and that means 'no'. Sorry to break hearts on that one!

That's it. See you in a couple weeks!

How many points is it on the 14th?

1500 for this one. Since we are going to be doing some off the wall battlefield effects, I don't want to lengthen the games with a higher points level.

So with my army being stolen and all, Ill do my best to make an appearance with a ragtag force of whats left..There will be plenty of silliness.

Ow crap, which army got stolen?

The orks and half the Space Wolves

I'm out for this tournament and probably all of them until next year some time.
It seems like the 2nd Saturday of the month always happens to be the most convenient for family activities.
At this rate my dice rolling hand may just atrophy and fall off from lack of use.

- insert obligatory joke about the dice rolling motion being the same as another "activity" hence no need to worry about muscle atrophy

 Tuff Love wrote:
I'm out for this tournament and probably all of them until next year some time.
It seems like the 2nd Saturday of the month always happens to be the most convenient for family activities.
At this rate my dice rolling hand may just atrophy and fall off from lack of use.

- insert obligatory joke about the dice rolling motion being the same as another "activity" hence no need to worry about muscle atrophy

You can just tell us that you don't want to paint models, man.

It's ok, we understand.

 disdainful wrote:

 Tuff Love wrote:
I'm out for this tournament and probably all of them until next year some time.
It seems like the 2nd Saturday of the month always happens to be the most convenient for family activities.

You can just tell us that you don't want to paint models, man.

It's ok, we understand.

Naw, it's that Andy heard that I'm coming back from my summer absences. He's scared.


Actually Andy, I'm totally in agreement with the anti-2nd Saturday Family conspiracy.

So how'd it shake out today?

 Tuff Love wrote:
So how'd it shake out today?

Top spot: Ian with Venom Spam, Beast Master, Eldar, etc.
Best Army: Sgt. Barker with his They-Look-Great-Just-Like-The-Book Imperial Fists. With Centurions, too
Best General/Battle Points: Andrew's Farsight Enclave list, dual Riptides & loads of Suits.
Sportsmanship: despite the Douche-Sight / Far Bag list I ran, me.

Trying to work on another army right now. Its disheartening to get knocked out of the runnings any time I draw a Dark elder player.

Just you wait! Nids coming up soon and everything will change...Go nidvember!

@Grimgob you have all those fancy imperial fists who got a shinny new book

 mortetvie wrote:
Just you wait! Nids coming up soon and everything will change...Go nidvember!

Come now. I ran Orks and Space Wolves and was on the top table with Ian. If we hadn't gotten Hammer Anvil the game would have been much closer. And even in the game we played it was very close till turn 6. Never leave home without a Rune Priest, NEVER.

Oh man, thank goodness I didn't draw Ian in the final round, venom and ravager spam against an all organic all suit list, with relatively close range and hammer and anvil... yeah no thanks...

I lost to Ian with my Footdar. With night shields and his speed he just out-ranged me. If I had some wave serpents things might have been different.

Funny thing is, at the Nova Open I played against a DE army that was very close to Ian's and I beat it easily, but then I had Tau allies and the range was not much of an issue.

 Blackmoor wrote:
I lost to Ian with my Footdar. With night shields and his speed he just out-ranged me. If I had some wave serpents things might have been different.

Funny thing is, at the Nova Open I played against a DE army that was very close to Ian's and I beat it easily, but then I had Tau allies and the range was not much of an issue.

A bit of range and some serpents go a looong way IMO.

When is the Warmaster open info coming, I am really looking forward to playing in October.

I saw this at another tournament happening in October. Just throwing it out there, might be pretty fun to play with some weird rules. I mean normally Hard Boys tournaments have stupid missions.

All missions use the Reserves, Night Fighting, and Mysterious Objective rules.

Round One (11 am to 1 pm) - Trick or Treat Deployment Type - Dawn of War (long edges)
Fend off your opponents as you gather your treasures, but beware that not all of your plunder will benefit you.
This mission uses all the rules for the Crusade mission, with the following exceptions: do not roll for Night Fighting, it becomes night automatically on the fifth turn. At the end of the game, each objective is worth d3+1 victory points.

Round Two (2 pm to 4 pm) - Let's Start a Riot! Deployment Type - Hammer and Anvil (short edges)
The stage is set and blood is in the air. There is no strategic points to defend, no vital assets to capture, only a throng of foes with rage in their eyes, gathered beneath a blood-red moon.
This mission uses all the rules for the Purge the Alien mission, with the following exceptions: do not roll for Night Fighting, it is automatically night the entire game. Each player earns an additional Victory Point for each character they kill in a challenge.

Round Three (5 pm to 7 pm) - All Soul's Night Deployment Type - Vanguard Strike (diagonals)
As midnight passes and the blackness deepens, specters of the restless dead rise from their unmarked graves to silently re-enact the long forgotten battles of the past.
This mission uses all the rules for the Crusade mission, with the following exceptions: do not roll for Night Fighting, it is automatically night the first turn. Any unit in Reserve may be deployed using the Deep Strike rules.

Where is that tournament Mike? Looks pretty interesting and random, truly akin to the older 'Ard Boyz missions indeed!

Texas I belive