Spacemanvic wrote: Just a heads up, the 22LR drought is ending soon.....just forwarding some info from suppliers.......
Don't make us unleash weiner dogs to give your ankles a thorough thrashing. Any more detail?
Only when I was looking to set retail prices, was told to hold off as supplies would be forthcoming. Cant wait to see what happens to the price gougers.
On a related note, spoke to Walmart Sporting goods manager, they are not allowed to buy the ammo until they are off duty and are not allowed to set any aside for themselves or others. To combat the ones waiting to buy off the pallet, some Walmarts are only unloading half the ammo shipment at 9PM, then unloading the other half again at 7AM in order to reach more customers.
Spacemanvic wrote: Just a heads up, the 22LR drought is ending soon.....just forwarding some info from suppliers.......
Don't make us unleash weiner dogs to give your ankles a thorough thrashing. Any more detail?
Only when I was looking to set retail prices, was told to hold off as supplies would be forthcoming. Cant wait to see what happens to the price gougers.
On a related note, spoke to Walmart Sporting goods manager, they are not allowed to buy the ammo until they are off duty and are not allowed to set any aside for themselves or others. To combat the ones waiting to buy off the pallet, some Walmarts are only unloading half the ammo shipment at 9PM, then unloading the other half again at 7AM in order to reach more customers.
As soon as I find out more info, I will post.....
that split stocking thing makes sense. I've been seeing ammo late at night every time I go into WalMart.
But doesn't that take the fun and relaxation out of it? I mean if you don't get to do everything yourself...I dunno, maybe its just me, but that rifle just wouldn't be as relaxing as a regular rifle.
As I gazed through my rifle's scope, zoomed in on the red-and-white bull's-eye, I thought about Bailey detonating that stinkbug from nearly 100 yards away. The idea of shooting a dime-sized insect at the distance of a football field seemed ludicrous.
Unless you're using a snub nose pistol like my Rhino, you damned well better be able to hit a dime-size target at 100 yards - especially with a scope. Someone get a video of competition shooting and send it to this guy.
Indeed, my regular training was paper plate sized targets at 500 yard with iron sights, and I don't consider myself very good. Sounds like that dude needs to have his mind blown courtesy of a demonstration by the Marine Corps Scout Snipers or Army Sniper teams.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Indeed, my regular training was paper plate sized targets at 500 yard with iron sights, and I don't consider myself very good. Sounds like that dude needs to have his mind blown courtesy of a demonstration by the Marine Corps Scout Snipers or Army Sniper teams.
I'd ask them to blow my mind, but honestly I think that'd just be giving them recourse to literally blow my mind with a bullet, just to prove the point .
Honestly I know this wouldn't happen, but it was the first thought in my head.
As I gazed through my rifle's scope, zoomed in on the red-and-white bull's-eye, I thought about Bailey detonating that stinkbug from nearly 100 yards away. The idea of shooting a dime-sized insect at the distance of a football field seemed ludicrous.
Unless you're using a snub nose pistol like my Rhino, you damned well better be able to hit a dime-size target at 100 yards - especially with a scope. Someone get a video of competition shooting and send it to this guy.
Yea like Ive mentioned earlier, Ive shot a few charms suckers with my .22lr at 100yards, and its a 9x scope, nothing special.
Walmart stockers - Just because its policy doesnt mean that they dont do it. My mother in law works at a Kmart and she and everyone other employee does exactly that with anything in the store, even though they have the same policies. Just saying. Though if this rumor IS true, and the .22lr is finally coming back, Im going to be so damned happy!!
lol RE that "smart" gun... i was in the 1/4 dime club when I was 13 years old... grandted that is only at 25 yrds, but it was bolt action, unscoped .22lr with 5 shots in a 1/4 dime (usually lol, not EVERY time)
Im looking at getting my gun license in the future when ive got some more money and a place to put a safe, here in Oz though no semi-autos for us not even rimfires! im thinking my first rifle will be one of the cheaper savage rimfire bolt action models for target shooting
mitch_rifle wrote: Im looking at getting my gun license in the future when ive got some more money and a place to put a safe, here in Oz though no semi-autos for us not even rimfires! im thinking my first rifle will be one of the cheaper savage rimfire bolt action models for target shooting
Thats a good start. Dont you guys have caliber restrictions as well?
I believe certain hand gun calibers and 50 caliber for both handguns and rifles, also I think they're trying to ban .338 lapua as well. we've had a spate of gun crime recently, and authorities are clamping down on gun owners, but not the actual criminals obviously as that's far to difficult
Prices in rounds are dropping since DHS are not buying four million rounds to "train" their law enforcement side of the house. Xmas is coming early this year. Checked out a local pawn shop in Bremerton that has a crap load of firearms. Someone also offered me $50 per 30 round mags and I have 36 mags....
It should do fine, but you'll have to clean it more often and Im betting the carbon will be a pita to scrape off. Plus your gas system will probably foul quicker. Also the powder used is pretty corrosive, wouldnt be surprised if it leads to quicker barrel wear.
Not really any dirtier than brass cased in my experience, and in neither case is it really a problem without ridiculous 1000+ rounds no cleaning weekends. Powder isn't corrosive, I have noticed absolutely 0 difference between Wolf powder and XM193 other than a strange ammonia smell when I fire wolf. Barrel wear, however, WILL occur faster. Cheap ammo tends to have bi metal bullets, which are just plain harder than pure copper jackets. It's going to wear faster as a result. But on the other hand, the lower pressure of wolf will give your gas port a break. A worn gas port will start to add more and more power into the system, and can cause reliability issues itself in more extreme cases.
On the other hand, I have noticed that because of steels inability to flex as well as brass, a long string of steel ammo will leave the chamber itself a lot dirtier....and then if you follow it with a brass casing without cleaning, it WILL seal against the chamber extremely well, and attempt to extract all carbon from the chamber when the bolt tries to yank it backwards. You will then have a ripped off case rim and a very fancy looking musket you need a ramrod for before you can fire again.
TL;DR My experience has been the same as the conclusions in this test.
Looks like a Glock with a threaded barrel, unless you meant the shotgun.
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Jihadin wrote: Prices in rounds are dropping since DHS are not buying four million rounds to "train" their law enforcement side of the house. Xmas is coming early this year. Checked out a local pawn shop in Bremerton that has a crap load of firearms. Someone also offered me $50 per 30 round mags and I have 36 mags....
Still can't find .22lrs. Saw a bunch of 9mm at Academy this weekend.
We are having trouble stocking .380 right at the moment. We are good with 22LR match and 22 mag, and 22 short, still waiting for the shipment of 22LR. All the ARs we are getting in are 1x9, which is annoying, I only go with 1x7 or 1x8.
I did just inspect a 1903 S&W Model 3 in .38 for someone. Nickle plated, barrel has some light rust, and the firing pin doesnt do its thing. Other than that, mint condition. Wish it had the box/papers, would be worth more.
Not really any dirtier than brass cased in my experience, and in neither case is it really a problem without ridiculous 1000+ rounds no cleaning weekends. Powder isn't corrosive, I have noticed absolutely 0 difference between Wolf powder and XM193 other than a strange ammonia smell when I fire wolf. Barrel wear, however, WILL occur faster. Cheap ammo tends to have bi metal bullets, which are just plain harder than pure copper jackets. It's going to wear faster as a result. But on the other hand, the lower pressure of wolf will give your gas port a break. A worn gas port will start to add more and more power into the system, and can cause reliability issues itself in more extreme cases.
On the other hand, I have noticed that because of steels inability to flex as well as brass, a long string of steel ammo will leave the chamber itself a lot dirtier....and then if you follow it with a brass casing without cleaning, it WILL seal against the chamber extremely well, and attempt to extract all carbon from the chamber when the bolt tries to yank it backwards. You will then have a ripped off case rim and a very fancy looking musket you need a ramrod for before you can fire again.
TL;DR My experience has been the same as the conclusions in this test.
Thanks for making my point in the above underlined And in the linked report, this quote makes my point:
Which Ammo To Buy
If Federal Brass Cased Ammo Performed So Great, Why Bother Buying Steel Cased Ammo?
The performance of the carbine firing Federal ammunition in this test was undoubtedly impressive. The firing of approximately 412 pounds of ammunition with very minimal maintenance in austere conditions without a single malfunction – not to mention remaining serviceable and combat accurate from the first shot to the last – could hardly be improved upon. To many who read this report, this is all the justification they need to purchase this type of ammo.
Lemartes12 wrote: i shoot occasionally but its been hard to get out to the range, between it being so far away and the price/lack of ammo.
I bought a box of Blazer brass ammo in 45ACP this weekend, thinking I was gonna hit the range. She-who-must-be-obeyed had other plans LOL.....maybe THIS weeked....
Now here's a 13yo who doesnt seem to have trouble finding time on the range:
We had three kids at the IDPA competition this weekend. Even children are better then I am. And why exactly are nonthreats a penalty when you hit them? They should have ducked!
Frazzled wrote: We had three kids at the IDPA competition this weekend. Even children are better then I am. And why exactly are nonthreats a penalty when you hit them? They should have ducked!
I am so madly jealous of both your .300 BL upper and your M1A. I'd want a full size wood stock national match with a classic style scope mount instead of a scout squad, but I'm old school like that.
See Im going to be buying a Ruger SR9 in the next few months. Thats a boring everyday pistol. You go and buy a weirdo and you know youll see your gun on TV
Breotan wrote: So, I was watching Covert Affairs today on Hulu and guess what I saw.
It's so awesome seeing your piece in the movies/TV.
You know that could be misinterpreted, and I'm just the one to do it!
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KingCracker wrote: See Im going to be buying a Ruger SR9 in the next few months. Thats a boring everyday pistol. You go and buy a weirdo and you know youll see your gun on TV
It's just a Glock 19. It does have a threaded barrel in it, because once I save up several hundred dollars and a year's worth of patience, I'd like to get a can to put on it. I guess I could have taken it out of the holster for the picture...
And Frazzled, I'm in the same boat as you. Why are child shooters great in competition right off the bat? What sort of magical elixers are their parents giving them?
Breotan wrote: So, I was watching Covert Affairs today on Hulu and guess what I saw.
It's so awesome seeing your piece in the movies/TV.
You know that could be misinterpreted, and I'm just the one to do it!
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KingCracker wrote: See Im going to be buying a Ruger SR9 in the next few months. Thats a boring everyday pistol. You go and buy a weirdo and you know youll see your gun on TV
It's just a Glock 19. It does have a threaded barrel in it, because once I save up several hundred dollars and a year's worth of patience, I'd like to get a can to put on it. I guess I could have taken it out of the holster for the picture...
And Frazzled, I'm in the same boat as you. Why are child shooters great in competition right off the bat? What sort of magical elixers are their parents giving them?
In actuality, I've never seen a bad shooter under 12 in comparison to, well everyone else.
Ive got one daughter who is a right hand shooter left eye dominant. Working on her to settle her shooting. The rest are able to do the dueling tree like it's nothing.
I really want a Chiappa Rhino... to be accurate I really really want a Mateba Unica 6 (5" barrel, .357 Mag) but since I don't have 3-5k to drop on a very esoteric handgun I'll stick to ONE DAY getting a Rhino. Those bad boys still run about 1k when I see them in stores, and for that price I'd rather keep saving towards a Tavor or M1A
Spacemanvic wrote: Ive got one daughter who is a right hand shooter left eye dominant. Working on her to settle her shooting. The rest are able to do the dueling tree like it's nothing.
Yea my oldest brother is the same. Right handed left eye dominant. He shoots rifles and shotguns just fine as he shoots lefty, but his pistol he says it feels too weird shooting left, so he has to basically look at his right shoulder with his face so his eye lines up properly. Works well for him
On a side note, Im looking up holsters for our next purchases. The wife and I are wanting outside waistband holsters (mainly because we wont go for our CCW stuff till after we have the pistols a bit) and Im laughing at some of the negative reviews people give some of them on Amazon. Its kind of a "well no gak, its meant for a fullsize, not a compact" moment most the time. I was looking at one for the SR9 and it was MEANT for the SR9, not the compact version. So common sense would tell you that the holster will be to large for the compact version, and this guy is bitching and complaining about how he is soooo mad that he bought this holster and the bottom sticks out from under his shirt and is totally not what was advertised......when it clearly says "fits ruger SR9 and SR40 full size holster People
Spacemanvic wrote: Ive got one daughter who is a right hand shooter left eye dominant. Working on her to settle her shooting. The rest are able to do the dueling tree like it's nothing.
As someone that is right eye dominant, but left handed... your daughter is better off learning how to shoot right handed. You can do a little bit of visual adjustment with something like archery, but with shooting it's a little different.
I dont totally agree. Like I said, my brother shoots pistol weird, but rifle and shotgun he just shoots left handed. The pistol he just crooks his head more than normal and has no real problems shooting other than needing more time to goto the range and practice
It's just a Glock 19. It does have a threaded barrel in it, because once I save up several hundred dollars and a year's worth of patience, I'd like to get a can to put on it. I guess I could have taken it out of the holster for the picture...
And Frazzled, I'm in the same boat as you. Why are child shooters great in competition right off the bat? What sort of magical elixers are their parents giving them?
In actuality, I've never seen a bad shooter under 12 in comparison to, well everyone else.
its so true, scouts took all of us to the boy scouts range... back in the day before they closed the range because, you know, guns are bad mmkay?
anyways, the RO was actually doing a lot of research on young shooters, how sex, eye color, glasses, ect affected the shooting.
He always told me the reason why all the young starters shoot so well, is that
A: they havnt developed a flinch yet, and if trained properly, esp with a .22 to start, never will
B:they have not developed enough bad habits from being self taught
C:kids are just better at learning everything then adults.
Anybody have a good place to look at for learning more about proper pistol stance? Everyone in my area seems to do it differently and I really don't want to learn any bad habits.
MrMoustaffa wrote: Anybody have a good place to look at for learning more about proper pistol stance? Everyone in my area seems to do it differently and I really don't want to learn any bad habits.
www.pistol-training.com
ToddG's an experienced trainer who knows his gak and is well recommended by other serious trainers. The forums are pretty free of the usual 'enthusiast' bs and focus on the important stuff.
MrMoustaffa wrote: Anybody have a good place to look at for learning more about proper pistol stance? Everyone in my area seems to do it differently and I really don't want to learn any bad habits.
Some options:
1. Look up classes in your are via the NRA
2. Look up shooting groups in your area. They may have connections to instructors.
3. Cal/ask where you shoot at, if there are any instructors or cards.
Guys who run CHL classes typically also offer shooting instructino classes. These are excellent.
Also DVDs can be helpful. The NRA used to run these dvds to people and I thought they were very good.
http://www.icetraining.us/
Also don't get hung up on stance. Get hung up on proper two and one hand grip, sight picture, and squeezing the trigger. Get that right and and stances or "who cares just shoot."
We did a lark string that was great. You had to step-shoot one foot-step-shoot on one foot- three steps and finish the string on one foot.
Crouching Tiger Hidden Fatman baby!
KingCracker wrote: I dont totally agree. Like I said, my brother shoots pistol weird, but rifle and shotgun he just shoots left handed. The pistol he just crooks his head more than normal and has no real problems shooting other than needing more time to goto the range and practice
I've found it's just easier to adjust to the eye dominancy, my rifle shooting improved vastly after I got used to it.
tavors are awesome, if you like bullpups, I would highly reccommend one if your wallet is feeling a bit too heavy.
that being said,
can you guys get the t97 in the states? we have those coming in up here by the boatload, and they seem to do everything the tavor does (cept look as pretty) for only 850$
Seaward wrote: Yup. I don't like bullpup after hearing how much the Brits hate them, then seeing for myself.
They don't hate bullpups, they hate their rifle (which happens to be a bullpup) because it is a POS. The SA90/L85 is a terrible weapon system that required a full overhaul from H&K to make it serviceable. For good bullpups there are a lot out there;
- AUG
- FN2000
- Tavor
- SAR21
- G11
- FAMAS
- Type 97
Seaward wrote: Yup. I don't like bullpup after hearing how much the Brits hate them, then seeing for myself.
They don't hate bullpups, they hate their rifle (which happens to be a bullpup) because it is a POS. The SA90/L85 is a terrible weapon system that required a full overhaul from H&K to make it serviceable. For good bullpups there are a lot out there;
- AUG
- FN2000
- Tavor
- SAR21
- G11
- FAMAS
- Type 97
Oh, no, a lot of 'em definitely hate bullpups. Reloading's the reason I heard cited the most.
Fair enough then. I've heard from Irish and Australian soldiers who think their AUGs are fantastic. Although given the fact that the SA80's mag release is on the left of the receiver above the magazine, and not just to the fore of the magazine in most other bullpups may explain some of the hatred.
Ive watched/read a lot on the Tavor and it seems to be generally well liked. My wife wants one really bad because she thinks bullpups are the cheese. Not to mention, they are pretty much idiot proof, and completely ambi.
Yea but I bet it shoots and feels like an $800 rifle. My brother owns an ACR and when I was with him picking it up, I was shocked at how much he was paying for it. I said "Dude, you can buy 2 decently nice ARs for that price"
Then I shot the ACR and said "Fudge that, no AR Ive ever shot feels and shoots that nice"
TBH, i have a 800 AR from the same company that makes the t97, and its jsts as good as a colt/dpms/bushie ect. it runs 500+ rounds between cleanings without breaking a sweat and will run dirty,dry, wet, everything.
I shoot irons in 3 gun, and this thing will hit the A zone at 300m just as well as the more pricey brands.
even the noveskes I have had/shot only perform marginally better at long ranges with the grouping.
I really didnt like the acr or xcr, or even the scar TBH when I tried them.
to be fair, I think most people pay 1100 for it here, but I am getting the army surplus version with bayonet lug for cheaper as I know a good importer,
lots of canucks buy these and the tavors as you dont need a even specialer gun licence to buy them as you do with AR's, and so far every comparison I have seen between this and the tavor goes along the lines of
"yes the tavor is marginally better aethetically/mag relase/reciprocating bolt wize, but not the extra 2000$ better"
accuracy/reliability wize they are the same according to all the reviews I have seen
CrashUSAR wrote: We won't be getting the T97 down here unless the import ban on Norinco is lifted. Makes me a sad panda because I want cheap AK's again...
Yeah, that sucks, cant you guys at least get cz' 858's or vz 58s for cheap "Ak"s like we do up here?
Vz58's go for around $7-800 where I'm at. I just miss the days when I could walk into a gun store with $500, and walk out with an AK, handful of magazines, and a few hundred rounds. I swear, one of these days I'm going to splurge on one that I'll actually keep for more than a few months.
KingCracker wrote: Ive shot a buddies AK several times. I absolutely love those rifles. Just something about em
I dont. I sell them, and I do see the functional appeal, but they are crude, ugly weapons IMO. Now, with some of the aftermarket stocks, I could see liking them. First thing to go is the stubby grip on the Wasr that Ive seen.
Not that Ive got anything against wood stocks. Sold a Springfield Armory M1 Garand this morning. Heavy, heavy rifle. And the finish on the barrel was crude, but I find it to be a beautiful rifle. Go figure...
I can't stand non-wooden furniture on rifles that were made for it. M-14/M1As and Garands deserve their wooden homes. "Tactical" lever action rifles are a cardinal sin.
Depends on the weapon. Id change a few things on an AK, thats because personally although I love the rifle, its a smidge uncomfortable, so stock and grip. But If/when I buy a Mosin, Id keep that sucker as bone stock tradition as possible. Many other examples as well, but that could be a whole discussion unto itself
Reading up on the Tavor, people are really complaining about the trigger. You'd think they'd have addressed that by now. Guess I'll wait for someone to develop an aftermarket trigger replacement.
My AR-15 was much cheaper then a Tavor and I love my baby... $1400 or so would run for the rifle (not counting man hours for assembly), 1000 rounds of lake city green tip ('Murrica!) and all my 30 round P-mags. Also because 'Murrica. The cool thing about the Tavor is it'll eat from all my STANAG magazines.
I think it really comes down to "are you OK with spending $2000ish on 1 rifle?" If so then, sure. My brothers ACR was $2000ish so obviously he doesnt care about the Tavor price, because they are in the same ballpark. I dunno, maybe later on, after a few purchases I wouldnt mind spending that on a Tavor. But since my current rifle is a Marlin model 60, Ill be upgrading to a more efficient and cheaper rifle. Either AK74 or an AR.
Heh my dream gun is a Barret M82... which alone costs way more then 2k, and with scope? Well if you get an optic worthy of the rifle (and if you don't you're the worst kind of human being, go buy a Leuopold right now you utter pilchert) you're easily looking towards 10k all told.
Then again.
The cheapest rifle I want to buy right now is a Mosin. The next cheapest is an FAL which is at least $1000. Then a Tavor at 2k, then an M1A with a match grade barrel which has to be right around there cost wise...
easysauce wrote: lol, I love the rem 700 series, cheap, and they shoot!
I put a 1000$ dollar scope on my 300$ rem 700...
cause that is how you do it! expensive scopes on cheap rifles= wild bacon
FYI wild hog bacon = yummy
now if only the city would let me raise some chickens/goats so i could have fresh bacon+eggs and milk.
Easysauce has the way of it. PLus with my eyesight I nees a scope big enough to see the edge fo the galaxy.
Now I will say however, living next to people with chickens is not fun. Rusty the mountain dog doesn't mind when they sometimes fly into the yard (the chickens, not the goats). I can always tell, because he walks over, kicks on the Appetite for Destruction tape full bore, and then goes to introduce himself to the chicken accompanied by the dulcet strains of "Welcome to the Jungle!"
Yanks are mad! I'm a farmer I have a shotgun for vermin and a 22 rifle for shooting the odd thing I can't get close enough to. Don't really think anyone should be allowed anything more than what they need to do a specific job. They are dangerous little brutes afterall!!
Knockagh wrote: Yanks are mad! I'm a farmer I have a shotgun for vermin and a 22 rifle for shooting the odd thing I can't get close enough to. Don't really think anyone should be allowed anything more than what they need to do a specific job. They are dangerous little brutes afterall!!
Well in America its a good thing our Constitution protects our rights to owning firearms. Lets just keep it at that and keep on topic of shooting, rather than throwing in personal opinions that will make this incredibly nice thread get locked
KingCracker wrote: Lets just keep it at that and keep on topic of shooting, rather than throwing in personal opinions that will make this incredibly nice thread get locked
Hear, hear. The topic of gun control, which I think is a totally worthwhile discussion to have, is also totally offtopic here and deserves it's own thread if you want to discuss that.
Anyway, I'm about to drive over to the local shootin' hole and finish breaking in my 1911. I want to see how the new muzzle brake affects my recovery time after shooting.
KingCracker wrote: Lets just keep it at that and keep on topic of shooting, rather than throwing in personal opinions that will make this incredibly nice thread get locked
Hear, hear. The topic of gun control, which I think is a totally worthwhile discussion to have, is also totally offtopic here and deserves it's own thread if you want to discuss that.
Anyway, I'm about to drive over to the local shootin' hole and finish breaking in my 1911. I want to see how the new muzzle brake affects my recovery time after shooting.
nice grats on the new gubbins for your john moses browning special!
but its just a measly .45... why do you need a brake? or are you trying to make it into a race gun?
one thing I have noticed with .45 is that its much less snappy to me then 9mm, but my all metal 1911 (which im just gonna brag about for a second, cause it cost 159$CAD!) has more snap to it then my polymer S&W M&P .45 . I think its due to the M&P lowering the action/barrel a bit so the "leverage" of the motion is reduced.
also, sometimes its just the small muscle groups that need to be worked out a bit that makes all the difference.
I will attach weights to the end of my "training pistol" (read the heavy all metal 1911) and hold it in a shooting stance, upright, both sideways's, and upsiddown,
I found that excersise really helped with keeping everything centered longer before fatigue became a factor.
anothing thing I find to help a lot, is to balance a quarter on the front sight (or barrel of thats too hard), and bring the gun up to the point where you look down the sights, and pull the trigger, then release it, without the quarter falling off.
doing that after a weight lifting session, or a hard run, when my blood is pumping also adds a degree of difficulty once that gets too easy (although I think i spent a week just trying to get the pistol up to sight without the quarter falling off, let alone pulling the trigger that smoothly)
KingCracker wrote: Lets just keep it at that and keep on topic of shooting, rather than throwing in personal opinions that will make this incredibly nice thread get locked
Hear, hear. The topic of gun control, which I think is a totally worthwhile discussion to have, is also totally offtopic here and deserves it's own thread if you want to discuss that.
Anyway, I'm about to drive over to the local shootin' hole and finish breaking in my 1911. I want to see how the new muzzle brake affects my recovery time after shooting.
Ok fair enough point. Apologies for going off topic. I do shoot myself and am far from anti guns or hunting. It just genuinely is a shock when I see the type of weapons you can buy in the states, reacted to the shock.
KingCracker wrote: Lets just keep it at that and keep on topic of shooting, rather than throwing in personal opinions that will make this incredibly nice thread get locked
Hear, hear. The topic of gun control, which I think is a totally worthwhile discussion to have, is also totally offtopic here and deserves it's own thread if you want to discuss that.
Anyway, I'm about to drive over to the local shootin' hole and finish breaking in my 1911. I want to see how the new muzzle brake affects my recovery time after shooting.
nice grats on the new gubbins for your john moses browning special!
but its just a measly .45... why do you need a brake? or are you trying to make it into a race gun?
one thing I have noticed with .45 is that its much less snappy to me then 9mm, but my all metal 1911 (which im just gonna brag about for a second, cause it cost 159$CAD!) has more snap to it then my polymer S&W M&P .45 . I think its due to the M&P lowering the action/barrel a bit so the "leverage" of the motion is reduced.
also, sometimes its just the small muscle groups that need to be worked out a bit that makes all the difference.
I will attach weights to the end of my "training pistol" (read the heavy all metal 1911) and hold it in a shooting stance, upright, both sideways's, and upsiddown,
I found that excersise really helped with keeping everything centered longer before fatigue became a factor.
anothing thing I find to help a lot, is to balance a quarter on the front sight (or barrel of thats too hard), and bring the gun up to the point where you look down the sights, and pull the trigger, then release it, without the quarter falling off.
doing that after a weight lifting session, or a hard run, when my blood is pumping also adds a degree of difficulty once that gets too easy (although I think i spent a week just trying to get the pistol up to sight without the quarter falling off, let alone pulling the trigger that smoothly)
My EDC is a full size Rock Island Armory tactical 1911 in 45 ACP. I did have a Ruger P95R in 9MM but it was too bulky for EDC use (unless I open carried). I also noticed it was pretty snappy when firing. I was able to control it however.
Now that Ive transitioned to a 1911, I actually find it to be a soft shooting pistol. Could be because of the weight of the slide, but it could also be due to how I fire the pistol. I rotate my elbows so that the crook of my arms face each other, and the force of the recoil is driven back towards my chest as opposed to climbing up if the crooks of my arm were pointing up. Think of your arms like hinges and rotate the "hinges" so that the hinge closes towards you as opposed to closing upwards.
yes, that centripital force is exactly what agggrivates recoil!
gotta have the tiny "push back" effect, as opposed to the "whip" effect that actually moves you in a circle
once you get the proper method, everyone just stares at you funny because you really DONT notice recoil (or at least notice less, personnaly, I dont notice it on anything until I hit the 30-06 range of power)
It also helps that the .45 is typically a much slower round then say the 9mm, which is typically much faster. Add to the fact that the 1911 is a brick, which soaks up more recoil, and you have a .45 that is a pleasure to shoot. Though I dont think the 9mm is bad, because I shoot my brothers .40 often enough to say I really dont like the .40cal round. Now that sucker is a snappy round
KingCracker wrote: It also helps that the .45 is typically a much slower round then say the 9mm, which is typically much faster. Add to the fact that the 1911 is a brick, which soaks up more recoil, and you have a .45 that is a pleasure to shoot. Though I dont think the 9mm is bad, because I shoot my brothers .40 often enough to say I really dont like the .40cal round. Now that sucker is a snappy round
What, the 40 Soft n Weak (40SW)? Try a 10MM in a 1911 platform. That sucker ROCKS!
KingCracker wrote: It also helps that the .45 is typically a much slower round then say the 9mm, which is typically much faster. Add to the fact that the 1911 is a brick, which soaks up more recoil, and you have a .45 that is a pleasure to shoot. Though I dont think the 9mm is bad, because I shoot my brothers .40 often enough to say I really dont like the .40cal round. Now that sucker is a snappy round
What, the 40 Soft n Weak (40SW)? Try a 10MM in a 1911 platform. That sucker ROCKS!
Personally, I think the 10mm is just silly. I held a Glock in 10mm, so whatever number Glock decided to call it and it was just a klunky, uncomfortable mess IMO
KingCracker wrote: It also helps that the .45 is typically a much slower round then say the 9mm, which is typically much faster. Add to the fact that the 1911 is a brick, which soaks up more recoil, and you have a .45 that is a pleasure to shoot. Though I dont think the 9mm is bad, because I shoot my brothers .40 often enough to say I really dont like the .40cal round. Now that sucker is a snappy round
What, the 40 Soft n Weak (40SW)? Try a 10MM in a 1911 platform. That sucker ROCKS!
Personally, I think the 10mm is just silly. I held a Glock i̶n̶ ̶1̶0̶m̶m̶,̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶w̶h̶a̶t̶e̶v̶e̶r̶ ̶n̶u̶m̶b̶e̶r̶ ̶G̶l̶o̶c̶k̶ ̶d̶e̶c̶i̶d̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶c̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶i̶t̶ and it was just a klunky, uncomfortable mess IMO
Nope, hate the Glock. Its a wonky POS IMO. I dont care how indestructible the pistol is......if it feels like a weapon my son made from LEGOs Im not going to use it. Like ever. Never.
KingCracker wrote: It also helps that the .45 is typically a much slower round then say the 9mm, which is typically much faster. Add to the fact that the 1911 is a brick, which soaks up more recoil, and you have a .45 that is a pleasure to shoot. Though I dont think the 9mm is bad, because I shoot my brothers .40 often enough to say I really dont like the .40cal round. Now that sucker is a snappy round
What, the 40 Soft n Weak (40SW)? Try a 10MM in a 1911 platform. That sucker ROCKS!
Personally, I think the 10mm is just silly. I held a Glock i̶n̶ ̶1̶0̶m̶m̶,̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶w̶h̶a̶t̶e̶v̶e̶r̶ ̶n̶u̶m̶b̶e̶r̶ ̶G̶l̶o̶c̶k̶ ̶d̶e̶c̶i̶d̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶c̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶i̶t̶ and it was just a klunky, uncomfortable mess IMO
I've fired the Tavor.before and its very nice. I've also fired the Brit's L85 and it was...not so nice. The Tavor I fired was a Lieutenant's from India. Nice guy. Met him in Iraq.
That said, I love bullpups. They fit me right. The FS2000 especially. The forward ejecting brass is genius. I don't know how it works, but it does.
KingCracker wrote: It also helps that the .45 is typically a much slower round then say the 9mm, which is typically much faster. Add to the fact that the 1911 is a brick, which soaks up more recoil, and you have a .45 that is a pleasure to shoot. Though I dont think the 9mm is bad, because I shoot my brothers .40 often enough to say I really dont like the .40cal round. Now that sucker is a snappy round
What, the 40 Soft n Weak (40SW)? Try a 10MM in a 1911 platform. That sucker ROCKS!
Personally, I think the 10mm is just silly. I held a Glock in 10mm, so whatever number Glock decided to call it and it was just a klunky, uncomfortable messIMO
I agree that both the .40 and 10mm are just awful (factory) rounds..
might get better with reloading, but never really liked either.
the glock is a blocky, ugly, mofo with a horrible trigger and grip... not sure why every next gen keeps the box ergonomics and that odd trigger, but meh, lots of people seem to like it so cant be all bad I guess...
easysauce wrote: I agree that both the .40 and 10mm are just awful (factory) rounds..
might get better with reloading, but never really liked either.
the glock is a blocky, ugly, mofo with a horrible trigger and grip... not sure why every next gen keeps the box ergonomics and that odd trigger, but meh, lots of people seem to like it so cant be all bad I guess...
leaves more M&P's for me!
Do you have an M&P? Whats your accuracy with it? Even with KKM barrel and 1911 style trigger pull, mine just feels less accurate then my much less tweeked Beretta. All I want is a pistol that will win tournaments for me. Is that too much to ask?
yeah I have a MP .45 and lots of EXP with mp 9mm's too,
i can get all the shots inside of 2" at 10 meters(about 14yrds???) if I rest it,
probably better if it was in a vice, using very good handloads however, so you wont get that with factory ammo OFC.
did a home trigger job too to get it to about 5.5-6ilbs from the god awful 8.5 it came as
just picked up a match barrel too which might improve on that
My most comfortable are (not in any order): Beretta 92 with hogue finger grips; old style Kimber with same; 1860 (or 58 I forget) cap and ball revolver. Grip is not as good but it just feels awesome.
easysauce wrote: I agree that both the .40 and 10mm are just awful (factory) rounds..
might get better with reloading, but never really liked either.
the glock is a blocky, ugly, mofo with a horrible trigger and grip... not sure why every next gen keeps the box ergonomics and that odd trigger, but meh, lots of people seem to like it so cant be all bad I guess...
leaves more M&P's for me!
Do you have an M&P? Whats your accuracy with it? Even with KKM barrel and 1911 style trigger pull, mine just feels less accurate then my much less tweeked Beretta. All I want is a pistol that will win tournaments for me. Is that too much to ask?
Ive shot my brothers M&P40 quite a bit. I do OK with it, I could certainly hit center mass with it at reasonable pistol distances. I dont think its a very accurate pistol though. Granted....that could be because its in .40 and as Ive stated several times in here already, I dont like that round
KingCracker wrote: Ive shot my brothers M&P40 quite a bit. I do OK with it, I could certainly hit center mass with it at reasonable pistol distances. I dont think its a very accurate pistol though. Granted....that could be because its in .40 and as Ive stated several times in here already, I dont like that round
I concur. I have 2 different friends that tried to sell me on it as it's their DC 'sand they likes it a lot, but I found it was a very jerky round, unpleasant to shoot for long periods of time for both Glock and M&P. I found that in an XDM this was slightly mitigated but overall did not like the caliber at all.
Knockagh wrote: Yanks are mad! I'm a farmer I have a shotgun for vermin and a 22 rifle for shooting the odd thing I can't get close enough to. Don't really think anyone should be allowed anything more than what they need to do a specific job. They are dangerous little brutes afterall!!
Our obligation (job) is to prevent the takeover of tyrannical government and foreign invaders, and you simply can't do that with a bolt action rifle or a limited capacity limp-noodle magazine.
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KingCracker wrote: Speaking of .357 magnum. Ive fallen inlove with this beauty from S&W but sadly its over $1000. Though its an 8shot revolver!
Check out S&W's Performance Center 327 5" barrel. Similar price point but nicer IMO. That goofy rail adds an ounce to the thing and you'll probably never use it.
(Notional) Our obligation (job) is to prevent the takeover of tyrannical government and foreign invaders, and you simply can't do that with a bolt action rifle or a limited capacity limp-noodle magazine.
Fixed it for you. Then again I'm sure DakkaDakka is well known in the NSA....just to be on the safe side for you Nuggz 8)
Can you imagine the BBQ we would have is we all got together with our weapons? Minus the alcohol at first till after the shooting is done and we're weapon cleaning
NuggzTheNinja wrote: That goofy rail adds an ounce to the thing and you'll probably never use it.
Scope.
But... the rail is under the barrel?
Who on earth is going to put a laser sight or a tac light on a revolver? I'm pretty sure 8 rounds of .357 magnum eliminates the need for any modifications whatsoever.
Ouze - A thought had occurred to me about your 1911 failing to feed problems. I was watching a NutNFancy video on a Saiga .308 rifle he was reviewing and he started mentioning that the rifle works really well, IF you have a set of mags that work well in it. Because he had a couple mags that just didnt want to function in the rifle, and they did exactly what you are talking about, they would fail to feed the rounds several times. Then when he switched to different mags, the rifle worked flawlessly. Sooo maybe its a bad magazine?
Im going to assume you have more than 1 magazine, have you noticed that the problems occur more with 1 mag over the other? Its a simple fix and cheaper than many other options Something to think about anyways
NuggzTheNinja wrote: That goofy rail adds an ounce to the thing and you'll probably never use it.
Scope.
But... the rail is under the barrel?
Who on earth is going to put a laser sight or a tac light on a revolver? I'm pretty sure 8 rounds of .357 magnum eliminates the need for any modifications whatsoever.
Well a flashlight so you can see terrorists in the dark of course. But apparently the revolver was made for SWAT teams. The guy with the shield typically carries a semi auto and the shield, problem being that entering doors is a tight spot, and they catch the slide or levers on the slide in the door frames causing problems. So S&W came up with this design and 8 rounds (because the SWAT wanted something that can compete with the 1911) So Im sure thats why it has a rail.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Yeah good mags for the 1911 platform are essential. Chip McCormick power mags or Wilson Combat mags. Accept no substitutes.
I got lucky.
LGS had a bag of 8 KimPro Tac Mags that they set aside for me for $50. They are very reliable, fall free on ejection and feed without issue. Also come with bumpers. Add that with my CMC mags and the two mags that came with the 1911, Im up to 13 mags. Still looking for one more
I have four CMC mags, two power mags and two of the "Star" mags, then I have my "range " mag that came with the gun. It is a very odd design and I dislike it immensely.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: I have four CMC mags, two power mags and two of the "Star" mags, then I have my "range " mag that came with the gun. It is a very odd design and I dislike it immensely.
easysauce wrote:if its not mags,
maybe a burr on the feed ramp frazz?
you using factory or handloads?
upside down recoil spring plug?
Using factory rounds, I've seen a few issues. At least one FTE and a few times now a failure to return completely to battery (or lock open after the last round in the mag, though this seems to have stopped after the first 100 rounds). I'm using both the factory mag and 2x Chip McCormick Powermags. The last failure was with one of the Chips, so probably not the mags.
I'm going to try replacing the extractor and see if that works. If not, I'll send it in under warranty. The feed ramp came polished from the factory but they did so... sort of poorly. I'm disinclined to polish it myself because I'm afraid to void the warranty if I screw it up somehow. This model is known to have iffy extractors so that's probably what it is, I ordered an Ed Brown hardcore.
I also just had one of those iron spinning targets delivered. I can't wait to try it out this weekend if I get some time, the little clink they make just... delights the gak out of me. I don't know why.
Dogface 76 wrote:Here is a shot of my Mosin and I at dusk.
Epic!!! Is that a m44? I never shot mine at dusk. Closest I got was shooting in the Ocala Forest range on a muggy, kinda rainy day. You could hear the fireball cooking the moisture in the air.
The photo was taken with a Digital camcorder. It is an M44 stamped 1944 with ,i believe, Factory, Division, and regimental cartouches. I had to show everyone at a party just how crazy the muzzle blast from a M44 was. They were duly impressed.
I've changed the grips to Pachmayr, added an EFK Fire Dragon compensator, and swapped the slide release to a Wilson Combat extended (the stock one really is a little too small IMO). There are some other things I want to do, but I'm waiting to see how things shake out after the extractor swap before I do any more.
Dogface 76 wrote: The photo was taken with a Digital camcorder. It is an M44 stamped 1944 with ,i believe, Factory, Division, and regimental cartouches. I had to show everyone at a party just how crazy the muzzle blast from a M44 was. They were duly impressed.
Hey can you rehost that pic so I can see it?!?!?! Dammit, why do I always miss the cool stuff
After all the bullpup talk, I finally got around to posting Hickok45 doing a review of the FS2000. I've been wanting one of these since they came out, but dat price tag is pretty gnarly.
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That guy has TONS of videos, and they're all really good. He's great about giving tons of info, teardown, and range tests. Also, plenty of funny videos. I recommend these to people all the time.
Yea Hickok is one of my faves and IVe been subbed to his channel for 2 years now I think. The guy is just a joy to watch AND he makes me crack up often. Not to mention he is a REALLY good shot. Dont believe me? Watch his review of the Taurus Judge, and he hits his gong constantly. Thats incredible considering that a Judge is notoriously bad to aim
I made this a long time ago for fun. I don't have anything else on my channel (until I get a better camera).
If you are expecting a video where we hand a .50 to a petite woman and tell her to "have at it", you'll be disappointed. : ] Do those videos upset anyone else? What if they hurt someone?!
Here's some more info from the "about" section, for those of you who don't like linking to Youtube (it slows down my computer when I do). Most of this you guys can already recite in your sleep:
Myself and a few of my gaming (and fellow army/marine corps infantrymen) buddies made this video in response to some people's questions about the .50 AE recoil. Eventually, we will get around to analyzing this handgun's accuracy on target at various ranges and with different shooter styles/techniques. I am interested in making more videos of other weapons soon. This particular video was taken at a private range where it is the responsibility of the patrons to observe proper safety precautions.
For other Desert Eagle enthusiasts: It may be helpful to clean your .50 after every 8-10 rounds due to carbon build up and clogging. As you see in the video, jams and misfeeds do occur- The mis feed in the video above was a direct result of carbon and trash build up after only a few rounds. Please remember that in the event of a misfire or mis feed, you should always practice good safety precautions, first and foremost maintaining control over where your barrel points while you manipulate the weapon when performing remedial actions.
For shooting tips and tricks, or if you would like to discuss firearms, send me a message.
Shooters, remember:
1. Assume that any weapon you interact with is loaded.
2. Always be aware of where your firearm is pointed.
3. Finger straight and off the trigger until ready to fire.
4. When clearing weapons before transportation or cleaning, visually inspect them.
5. Anyone can be a "Safety Officer" at any range- Speak up if you see unsafe conditions.
No one is too experienced to practice these safety rules.
(Wow, it's silly to try and follow Hickok45, huh?)
For other Desert Eagle enthusiasts: It may be helpful to clean your .50 after every 8-10 rounds due to carbon build up and clogging. As you see in the video, jams and misfeeds do occur- The mis feed in the video above was a direct result of carbon and trash build up after only a few rounds. Please remember that in the event of a misfire or mis feed, you should always practice good safety precautions, first and foremost maintaining control over where your barrel points while you manipulate the weapon when performing remedial actions.
Do you own a D.Eagle? Honestly that the bolded section here makes me want to own one less then ever if it can't even go 8 rounds without starting to jam itself up. I'll stick to ridiculously oversized revolvers. .454 Cassul here I come!
Brometheus - Nope, vids of guys letting tiny, unskilled women (or just unskilled shooters in general) shooting crazy weapons without a single example of how to hold and so on, annoy me. I dont typically find those funny. Our little group of shooters still have a blast going out and shooting and following the rules we should follow.
For other Desert Eagle enthusiasts: It may be helpful to clean your .50 after every 8-10 rounds due to carbon build up and clogging. As you see in the video, jams and misfeeds do occur- The mis feed in the video above was a direct result of carbon and trash build up after only a few rounds. Please remember that in the event of a misfire or mis feed, you should always practice good safety precautions, first and foremost maintaining control over where your barrel points while you manipulate the weapon when performing remedial actions.
Do you own a D.Eagle? Honestly that the bolded section here makes me want to own one less then ever if it can't even go 8 rounds without starting to jam itself up. I'll stick to ridiculously oversized revolvers. .454 Cassul here I come!
I had a couple friends in Alaska that were fond of their D.Eagle, though I think the D.E is too big myself. They did not have ammo problems, but had .44mag pistols. Most of the problems they experienced were related with jarring the magazine while shooting or limp writing while shooting. Also, because of the gas feed on the monsters some folks used ammo that was not fully encased and clogged them up with lead fouling :( The reason I never picked up a used one.
DE's aren't the best pistol for the price and aren't very practical. If you already own a practical handgun, sure, knock yourself out. And the FS2000 is one of my favorite guns to shoot. I keep threatening to buy it from my friend but I doubt he'll ever sell it. :(
The Desert Eagle is a novelty, nothing more. If you want to fire lots of rounds from a reliable gun, I do not recommend it. It's fun for me, so it works. I have large hands. "Like a glove" as Ace Ventura would say.
That's mine, yup. If my advice influenced you to not get a Desert Eagle, that's fine. I tried to offer some honest informative stuff for people thinking about them. Like I said- It works for me.
Yeah, those videos make me so mad I don't even watch them any more. It's not the girls' fault. It's their boyfriend/dad/husband that needs to be flogged.
Find a pistol that fits your hand. That's very important. For me, it was the Beretta PX4 in 9mm. I love that gun. Also, most CZ's seem to fit my hand like they were custom made. If only their slides weren't so danged small.
I don't like CZs or Glock. Glock fits my hand, but I can't get used to the sights. I feel like I'm turning my wrist forward and down too much compared to 1911s and Walthers. As for small slides- Yeah, I hear you on that. The Baby Eagle .40 has an interesting slide. I like it, though. Nice long pistol grip.
I am a little bit of an anomaly, I think. I like the .380 PPK. Not too fond of the little pinkie finger extension, though. That tends to cause misfeeds unless you actually have a smaller hand. I just took them off and ran with the finger flappin' in the breeze. The good thing about the PPK is that it's a very safe weapon to carry as far as older guns go, I think. When you engage that de-docker safety it takes some serious pounds-per-square-inch to cycle that hammer back, especially if your gun is fresh from S&W.
I needed lots of range time drawing the PPK from belt-hold to get used to that heavy trigger pull before I was confident enough to carry it. I sure wouldn't prime it and carry it with the hammer back.. Always de-cocked when it was on me, and made sure to break in that de-cocker with my thumb so I could flip it as it came out of the belt. That thing was hell to get used to. My poor thumb. I literally sat there while watching the Alien Trilogy flicking it on/off to get used to it. It paid off. (don't worry, I cleared it!)
My 1911 fits my hand like it was made for it. The balance on a full size A1 type is perfect. Eventually if I can get the range time in, I'd like to train up to natural, ambidextrous point shooting with it.
I've got smaller hands so I know grips I liked were considered "small" by most.
For example, I almost prefer shooting my M&P 9C without the pinky rest since I can get my fingers on the grip just fine as is.
If the CZ 82 trimmed a bit of grip away from the mag release to make it easier to reach it would be perfect in my hands. I'll probably end up getting some custom grips (which ironically will probably cost half as much as the pistol)
We can't have guns on Okinawa, however, I'm putting aside a fair bit of money to buy something nice when I get back. The industry changes a lot in two years, and so do laws.
I don't hunt, nor am I particularly fond of shooting paper all day, so I don't know why I'm thinking about this. I hate shooting, if I'm being honest. It's more of a chore for me than it is enjoyable, especially if I have to pay for ammunition.
Anyway, I'll probably just get an obligatory AR-15 M4gery, Cerakote it Coyote Brown and throw an Eotech or something on it. I have such a massive collection of expensive tactical gear. It would be a waste to not use it for anything. Since I've had the esteemed pleasure of carrying around an M16A4 on my body at all times for weeks at a time, I'm personally drawn to things that are lightweight and unobtrusive.
Captain Fantastic wrote: I don't hunt, nor am I particularly fond of shooting paper all day, so I don't know why I'm thinking about this.
I hear it's 'cause every Marine's a rifleman.
That's a good joke! They say we're amphibious too!
They spend a lot of time making sure we form bonds with our rifles, ya know, dancing around with them and sleeping with them at night, and hugging them tight while we eat chow. You forget that it's an implement of death. I think I'm more attached to the idea of owning a rifle as some sort of weird manifestation of my extreme loneliness than I am for the desire of shooting. It's mental, physical and emotional security. There have been times when I'm out at night, alone, and my heart aches when I realize I don't have a powerful weapon in my hands to protect me.
There isn't much worse of a feeling than realizing that you left your rifle somewhere, or that someone else has it. It throws your mind into a panic, and not just because you can be court martialed for it either.
I am a fan of the 1911, although the .460 Rowland is intriguing me more and more. Basically takes the .45 acp cartage and loads it up to modern pressure levels. Apparently it is darn close to 44 magnum level performance in a 1911.
The recoil compensator on the front is supposed to help, although I really don't know how well it ends up working. At least someone said it feels less recoil than a standard 1911, but it's pointed straight back rather than twisting or lifting. But like I said I wouldn't know since I don't have the disposable income for both a high quality 1911 and a conversion kit at the moment.
Captain Fantastic wrote: We can't have guns on Okinawa, however, I'm putting aside a fair bit of money to buy something nice when I get back. The industry changes a lot in two years, and so do laws.
I don't hunt, nor am I particularly fond of shooting paper all day, so I don't know why I'm thinking about this. I hate shooting, if I'm being honest. It's more of a chore for me than it is enjoyable, especially if I have to pay for ammunition.
Anyway, I'll probably just get an obligatory AR-15 M4gery, Cerakote it Coyote Brown and throw an Eotech or something on it. I have such a massive collection of expensive tactical gear. It would be a waste to not use it for anything. Since I've had the esteemed pleasure of carrying around an M16A4 on my body at all times for weeks at a time, I'm personally drawn to things that are lightweight and unobtrusive.
If you aint having fun, you're doing it wrong. Come out to Utah and we'll show you how to have fun shooting...oh wait, I'm in Japan too for the foreseeable future. But the military has a way of sucking the fun out of anything.
Captain Fantastic wrote: There isn't much worse of a feeling than realizing that you left your rifle somewhere, or that someone else has it.
The same applies to Super Hornets, oddly.
Anyway, as much as I'm a 1911 guy - nothing fits my hand better - I just can't carry one. I want my carry to be something I can treat like gak, thus the HK. The P30's a very close second to the 1911 in terms of ergonomics, and I can abuse the hell out of it and it just begs for more.
dementedwombat wrote: The recoil compensator on the front is supposed to help, although I really don't know how well it ends up working. At least someone said it feels less recoil than a standard 1911, but it's pointed straight back rather than twisting or lifting. But like I said I wouldn't know since I don't have the disposable income for both a high quality 1911 and a conversion kit at the moment.
I hear on that.
on the positive went to the range Saturday to hide from the five womminz inhabiting the house at the time (I was floating in waves of estrogen). Managed to find some .22s and remembered why I love short range bullseye shooting. I even managed to go old school at the end and have fun "going Israeli" (from an old movie) where you shoot once anywhere on the paper with a .22 pistol but your second shoot has to hit the first hole. Can't do it often, but man thats fun when I can.
Captain Fantastic wrote: There isn't much worse of a feeling than realizing that you left your rifle somewhere, or that someone else has it.
The same applies to Super Hornets, oddly.
Anyway, as much as I'm a 1911 guy - nothing fits my hand better - I just can't carry one. I want my carry to be something I can treat like gak, thus the HK. The P30's a very close second to the 1911 in terms of ergonomics, and I can abuse the hell out of it and it just begs for more.
Get a 1911 that wont break the bank. My RIA was sub $500 and it's my EDC. Just over the weekend, I went hiking and had the Rock with me IWB. I use Flitz gun polish which helps keep the rust away. You just need to clean out the dust bunnies that seem to crawl down the barrel or sit between the hammer and the firing pin. Carry OWB eliminates the issues of rust or dust bunnies, but the chance of someone seeing the pistol and giving you the OHMYGAWD A GUN!! look increases. Plus, every once in a while, you get a LEO who doesnt understand the law.
Spacemanvic wrote: Get a 1911 that wont break the bank. My RIA was sub $500 and it's my EDC. Just over the weekend, I went hiking and had the Rock with me IWB. I use Flitz gun polish which helps keep the rust away. You just need to clean out the dust bunnies that seem to crawl down the barrel or sit between the hammer and the firing pin. Carry OWB eliminates the issues of rust or dust bunnies, but the chance of someone seeing the pistol and giving you the OHMYGAWD A GUN!! look increases. Plus, every once in a while, you get a LEO who doesnt understand the law.
Eh. I made the mistake of starting with a semi-custom as my first 1911 (a Baer), so, while I've bought considerably below that price point since, I end up spending so much tuning a Springfield Mil-Spec or whatever up to configuration I got used to with my Baer that I might as well have just bought another Baer.
I like the P30 for other reasons, anyway. I'm pretty confident it could go its whole life without a cleaning if I really wanted to run it that way. I like that I could leave it at the bottom of the Potomac for a year and pull it out and use it. Etc. It's just a little more peace of mind.
I ended up getting a stainless Colt Combat Commander for about $600 from a friend. He got it at a pawn shop apparently and was going to flip it because I believe it's worth a little more than that. Once I grabbed a spare set of my dad's double diamond wood grips to replace the rubber monstrosities it came with I was incredibly happy with it.
Strange thing though, one of the magazines that came with it 100% fails to feed on the last round, the shell is sticking straight up inside the magazine. The gun fires amazingly well with other magazines, but I'm guessing that's why it was in the pawn shop originally, because before I did the "magazine test" I just assumed I'd bought a lemon that jammed all the time.
It's going to be my carry gun as soon as I stop being on a school campus that frowns on such things, but I'm going to have to fit an ambi safety. Firearms are not kind to left handed people with dominant right eyes. You' should see my pistol stance, left finger on the trigger holding it way over so I can use my right eye...looks goofy as hell but they stopped laughing when I punched out the center of the target (admittedly that was with an M9 at qualification. Firing an M9 hardly counts as shooting, the thing just kinda sat limp in my hands and didn't even move when I shot it.).
thats just the gun that wussies who cant handl the 45-70 revolvers buy...
(JOKING LOL)
to be frank though... going from a .45 to a .50... would never be worth the $, or the huge impractical size of the DE, just makes it a novelty. Id rather have a tokarev then a DE
I think its because he's one of those dern ferrenners who's come to America, land of Tex Mex, and become a citizen.
Remember on your citizenship test, that the test is the point of the view of the evil colonials AND NOT THE English!!!
Also "because the Yankees were jealous of the greatness of Texas" is an acceptable answer as to why the Union started the war and invaded the sweet innocent South.
Also, Comancheria is not a type of slushy
Also, the national language of the USA is officially Spanish.
Also America won WWI, WWII, and the Cold War singlehandedly. Any other answer is false. Alas we lost both the War on Drugs, and the War of the Waistline.
Also, the Cowboy's are God's Team. Washington, is the other guy's team.
Yup, I'm just off the boat (well, plane) so it is a few more years before I can get my citizenship, and things like the gun license
Frazzled wrote: I think its because he's one of those dern ferrenners who's come to America, land of Tex Mex, and become a citizen.
Remember on your citizenship test, that the test is the point of the view of the evil colonials AND NOT THE English!!!
Also "because the Yankees were jealous of the greatness of Texas" is an acceptable answer as to why the Union started the war and invaded the sweet innocent South.
Also, Comancheria is not a type of slushy
Also, the national language of the USA is officially Spanish.
Also America won WWI, WWII, and the Cold War singlehandedly. Any other answer is false. Alas we lost both the War on Drugs, and the War of the Waistline.
Also, the Cowboy's are God's Team. Washington, is the other guy's team.
Thanks for the tips Frazz Being from Ireland I'm sure I can remember to give the colonists point of view
I'd like to add a 12 gauge Mossberg pump to the list.
You and me are on the same page. My brother has a Remington 870, which I like, but my cousin has a 500 which I love. Its just better in small ways everywhere on the weapon.
I am in the midst of a dilemma. I can't decide on which scope to outfit my M1A Scout with. I am torn between the Leopold Mark 4 MR/T 1.5-5x20 or the 2.5-8x36.
My original intent was to use the Scout as a short to medium range rifle. But now I have built an M4 in 300 Blackout. The AR is setup with an Aimpoint red dot so it fills the short range role. This is what now has me thinking about fully utilizing the M1A's range with the 2.5-8x36 scope. Obviously the bigger scope comes with a bigger price tag. (about 400 more)
What would you do in this situation with the options given?
Musashi363 wrote: If you wanted a gun, why didn't you just go to the Isle of Mann?
Because my wife is American
What state do you reside in? Federally, you can as a resident alien complete a form 4473. Depending on the state you live in, you can purchase a firearm.
Spacemanvic wrote: What state do you reside in? Federally, you can as a resident alien complete a form 4473. Depending on the state you live in, you can purchase a firearm.
SickSix wrote: I am in the midst of a dilemma. I can't decide on which scope to outfit my M1A Scout with. I am torn between the Leopold Mark 4 MR/T 1.5-5x20 or the 2.5-8x36.
My original intent was to use the Scout as a short to medium range rifle. But now I have built an M4 in 300 Blackout. The AR is setup with an Aimpoint red dot so it fills the short range role. This is what now has me thinking about fully utilizing the M1A's range with the 2.5-8x36 scope. Obviously the bigger scope comes with a bigger price tag. (about 400 more)
What would you do in this situation with the options given?
Depends. At what range do you expect to employ the M1 and what size target?
SickSix wrote: I am in the midst of a dilemma. I can't decide on which scope to outfit my M1A Scout with. I am torn between the Leopold Mark 4 MR/T 1.5-5x20 or the 2.5-8x36.
My original intent was to use the Scout as a short to medium range rifle. But now I have built an M4 in 300 Blackout. The AR is setup with an Aimpoint red dot so it fills the short range role. This is what now has me thinking about fully utilizing the M1A's range with the 2.5-8x36 scope. Obviously the bigger scope comes with a bigger price tag. (about 400 more)
What would you do in this situation with the options given?
It is a crime against humanity to not outfit an M1 with the most expensive scope you can afford. Thats a real rifle not some Mattel toy
Spacemanvic wrote: What state do you reside in? Federally, you can as a resident alien complete a form 4473. Depending on the state you live in, you can purchase a firearm.
Indiana
Have her buy it. Do you trust her? Do you know how to be extremely polite?
Spacemanvic wrote: What state do you reside in? Federally, you can as a resident alien complete a form 4473. Depending on the state you live in, you can purchase a firearm.
Indiana
UNLESS the laws of Indiana have changed, AND you have NOT been disqualified because of a criminal record or adjudication of mental illness, and you area legal resident alien, you can get one.
Check with a local gun shop or sheriff's office first to be sure.
SickSix wrote: I am in the midst of a dilemma. I can't decide on which scope to outfit my M1A Scout with. I am torn between the Leopold Mark 4 MR/T 1.5-5x20 or the 2.5-8x36.
My original intent was to use the Scout as a short to medium range rifle. But now I have built an M4 in 300 Blackout. The AR is setup with an Aimpoint red dot so it fills the short range role. This is what now has me thinking about fully utilizing the M1A's range with the 2.5-8x36 scope. Obviously the bigger scope comes with a bigger price tag. (about 400 more)
What would you do in this situation with the options given?
It is a crime against humanity to not outfit an M1 with the most expensive scope you can afford. Thats a real rifle not some Mattel toy
Spacemanvic wrote: What state do you reside in? Federally, you can as a resident alien complete a form 4473. Depending on the state you live in, you can purchase a firearm.
Indiana
Have her buy it. Do you trust her? Do you know how to be extremely polite?
NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!
That is a straw purchase and HIGHLY illegal leading to federal prison time!!!
Spacemanvic wrote: UNLESS the laws of Indiana have changed, AND you have NOT been disqualified because of a criminal record or adjudication of mental illness, and you area legal resident alien, you can get one.
Check with a local gun shop or sheriff's office first to be sure.
If I had a criminal record or mental illness it's not likely I would have been allowed entry to the country My only run in with the law has been the light over the license plate being out. Thank you for the info
That is a straw purchase and HIGHLY illegal leading to federal prison time!!!
It is in no way a straw purchase. She buys it, he uses it. Its still her property. No different then me letting someone else use one of my pistols at the range. Thats why I asked if he trusts her, as she could then blow him away anytime she was displeased. Thats what my wife tells me anyway.
Frazzled wrote: It is in no way a straw purchase. She buys it, he uses it. Its still her property. No different then me letting someone else use one of my pistols at the range. Thats why I asked if he trusts her, as she could then blow him away anytime she was displeased.
Thats what my wife tells me anyway.
I trust her, else I wouldn't have moved here The only injury to date has been when she was fooling around to show me what she learned in her work provided self defense class
SickSix wrote: I am in the midst of a dilemma. I can't decide on which scope to outfit my M1A Scout with. I am torn between the Leopold Mark 4 MR/T 1.5-5x20 or the 2.5-8x36.
My original intent was to use the Scout as a short to medium range rifle. But now I have built an M4 in 300 Blackout. The AR is setup with an Aimpoint red dot so it fills the short range role. This is what now has me thinking about fully utilizing the M1A's range with the 2.5-8x36 scope. Obviously the bigger scope comes with a bigger price tag. (about 400 more)
What would you do in this situation with the options given?
Depends. At what range do you expect to employ the M1 and what size target?
Well the, intent doesn't really match up with practical use. As I think the longest legally available range is only 400 yards. As far as use I have heard of a 'Heavy Metal' class for 3 gun style competitions. But I can't imagen the range being very far on those.
I think, practically speaking I would get better use out of the smaller scope. The public range is only 100 yards, the private range I plan on joining has a 200 and will be bulking a 400 yard range in the future.
Frazzled wrote: It is in no way a straw purchase. She buys it, he uses it. Its still her property. No different then me letting someone else use one of my pistols at the range. Thats why I asked if he trusts her, as she could then blow him away anytime she was displeased.
Thats what my wife tells me anyway.
I trust her, else I wouldn't have moved here The only injury to date has been when she was fooling around to show me what she learned in her work provided self defense class
Was this before or after you ticked her off?
Note mom ran dad over twice in one day...on accident.
Frazzled wrote: Was this before or after you ticked her off?
Note mom ran dad over twice in one day...on accident.
There was no ticking off at all She was just showing me something or other, then whomp right in the family jewels
Clearly you must have failed to wash the dishes or something just prior to this "accident" and your brain is just trying to block the whole sad thing out....
SickSix wrote: I am in the midst of a dilemma. I can't decide on which scope to outfit my M1A Scout with. I am torn between the Leopold Mark 4 MR/T 1.5-5x20 or the 2.5-8x36.
My original intent was to use the Scout as a short to medium range rifle. But now I have built an M4 in 300 Blackout. The AR is setup with an Aimpoint red dot so it fills the short range role. This is what now has me thinking about fully utilizing the M1A's range with the 2.5-8x36 scope. Obviously the bigger scope comes with a bigger price tag. (about 400 more)
What would you do in this situation with the options given?
Depends. At what range do you expect to employ the M1 and what size target?
Well the, intent doesn't really match up with practical use. As I think the longest legally available range is only 400 yards. As far as use I have heard of a 'Heavy Metal' class for 3 gun style competitions. But I can't imagen the range being very far on those.
I think, practically speaking I would get better use out of the smaller scope. The public range is only 100 yards, the private range I plan on joining has a 200 and will be bulking a 400 yard range in the future.
In that case, I'd say your right: go with the 1.5-5x. "overkill" otherwise, but that is up to you. The higher power would make sense if you were shooting long distances in open terrain against large targets, like deer etc. For just paper poking, Id go with the lease expensive glass.
Thats just communism! Every God fearing American knows if you don't scope that M1 with something big enough to detect incoming asteroids, you're just falling for the commie line.
Hey in my defense I have gigantic scopes for my little .22s. I need 'em...
Frazzled wrote: Thats just communism! Every God fearing American knows if you don't scope that M1 with something big enough to detect incoming asteroids, you're just falling for the commie line.
Hey in my defense I have gigantic scopes for my little .22s. I need 'em...
Thankfully, I still have the ability to use red dots....
MrMoustaffa wrote: Pff, sights? What kind of a scrub needs those? My old man filed his .22's sights off and killed bears from 3 miles away with his eyes closed.
Pfft...I did the same with the afterburn of ready bad enchiladas. Frazzled, the first WMD!
On the subject of scopes I'm actually being an idiot and thinking about getting about a 1x-3x job for my .45-70 Mauser conversion. You'd never shoot that thing past 150 yards (unless you set it up in an artillery rest and dial in 40+ degrees of elevation...), but the old school iron sights just aren't quite cutting it.
Seaward wrote: I have an RMR on a Glock 17 that I may well marry due to how much I love it.
Enjoy those iron sights, you cave people.
Typical pilot, can't tie his own boots without help from an enlisted man or an electronic display.
Exalted!
I somewhat agree about the manliness of Iron sights. The ridiculous size of the scopes being put on AR's baffles me. I guess I'm one of those guys that thinks a hammer should stay a hammer and a scalpel a scalpel.
My goal this year is to improve my M16 qualification score to 40/40 with iron sights. Last year two got away from me.
Agreed with the above. My brother just has a reflex sight on his ACR and I tell you, we can tag steel from a few hundred yards out with ease, so anything further wouldnt be much harder (with in reason obviously) An AR is meant to be a mid range weapon anyways
500 is the max they train us with, that little lady can reach out and touch someone at a max range of 800m in the M16A4 configuration. I wouldn't try it myself, but honestly anything outside of 300 is the modern mid range, that's why the AK is the king of battle, that rifle is a monster inside of 200m (300 if you actually use your sights) and most modern combat engagements are well within spit wad range.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: 500 is the max they train us with, that little lady can reach out and touch someone at a max range of 800m in the M16A4 configuration. I wouldn't try it myself, but honestly anything outside of 300 is the modern mid range, that's why the AK is the king of battle, that rifle is a monster inside of 200m (300 if you actually use your sights) and most modern combat engagements are well within spit wad range.
Combat in the last few decades has RARELY exceeded an engagement range of 300m, we have had some issues with that in Afghanistan's mountains (well, the Army, not the Corps, we still carry proper rifles) where the M4 carbine literally did not have the "reach" to "reach out and touch someone" as required.
The M4 is a CQB platform. I wish I had had one in Baghdad in '03.
What I don't get is why the M16A4 doesn't have a collapsible buttstock. That would be the thing to have in the mountains. Long barrel bit can collapse the stock when mounted or in CQB to save some room. IMHO.
And the army doesn't even train soldiers to shoot beyond 300 meters. They need to fix that.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: I like a fixed stock personally, don't you take my murder club away from me!
That's what bayonets are for... you're not supposed to bring a knife to a gun fight, but if the knife is duct taped to the gun that makes it 100% alright.
the fixed stock will break with one good butt stroke anyways.
(waits for inevitable butt stroke joke)
past 500m with a m4gery or m16 is kinda iffy... I can hit IDPA targets at 500 with irons pretty easy, but those are not exactly small targets... far cry from hitting the A zone easily at 300m, very apparent what ranges the rifle was designed for, hold overs start getting pretty rediculous past 400m or so to since im 0'd for 200 usually
easysauce wrote: the fixed stock will break with one good butt stroke anyways.
(waits for inevitable butt stroke joke)
past 500m with a m4gery or m16 is kinda iffy... I can hit IDPA targets at 500 with irons pretty easy, but those are not exactly small targets... far cry from hitting the A zone easily at 300m, very apparent what ranges the rifle was designed for, hold overs start getting pretty rediculous past 400m or so to since im 0'd for 200 usually
easysauce wrote: the fixed stock will break with one good butt stroke anyways.
(waits for inevitable butt stroke joke)
past 500m with a m4gery or m16 is kinda iffy... I can hit IDPA targets at 500 with irons pretty easy, but those are not exactly small targets... far cry from hitting the A zone easily at 300m, very apparent what ranges the rifle was designed for, hold overs start getting pretty rediculous past 400m or so to since im 0'd for 200 usually
easysauce wrote: the fixed stock will break with one good butt stroke anyways.
(waits for inevitable butt stroke joke)
past 500m with a m4gery or m16 is kinda iffy... I can hit IDPA targets at 500 with irons pretty easy, but those are not exactly small targets... far cry from hitting the A zone easily at 300m, very apparent what ranges the rifle was designed for, hold overs start getting pretty rediculous past 400m or so to since im 0'd for 200 usually
Whats an IDPA rifle target easy sauce? Linkey?
They are typically humanish torso shaped for 3 gun:
Oh ok, same target then. I had not heard of IDPA rifle shoots.
I'm trying to get into the local IDPA shotgun match once the Mossberg fairie pays me a visit over Christmas. (GC already wants to get it early and shoot the pumpkins after Halloween - thats my girl!)
Frazzled wrote: Oh ok, same target then. I had not heard of IDPA rifle shoots.
I'm trying to get into the local IDPA shotgun match once the Mossberg fairie pays me a visit over Christmas. (GC already wants to get it early and shoot the pumpkins after Halloween - thats my girl!)
This way I can shoot clays with it too and practice with most everything the same except the sights and the weight balance. PLus I have an 870 Wingmaster thats longer than a bus and shooting clays is way fun.
But if I have yet another accident or such then yes - the H&R/Defender/Maverick type is a definite possibility and I would have no regrets. By the way, its at Academy for $200. Thats awfully tempting actually.
the idpa target is the one pictured above, thanks for that, its pretty big, so not too hard to hit at 500m or so if I do my part with the hold overs
I normally use 55grn bullets, even at 300m +... not cause they are the best for long range, but because thats what I have crates of... and I cant really swap weights mid course for close/far targets
helps to have been shooting for 14+ years as well, but you gotta get the wind sighting and breathing just right, know your hold overs, and do it fast as possible OBS if in a match, but it will get hit...
now if I could hit the A zone consistantly with irons at 500m that would be nice
Yea, without the glasses I'm legally vision impaired, so I'm just in awe at this point.
OT but I have prescription wraparound sports glasses which are nearly goggles when tightened (I have them on a strap). Its the closest I get to normal vision and when its breezy I'll catch myself just standing and staring at trees floating in the breeze...
So they just opened a new range and shop literally two minutes from my house. I went today and it is glorious. Put my last round with my .40 in about 3" grouping from 10 yards. Was pretty pleased with myself.
I wouldn't consider you a "fan boi" - Ruger has been making great firearms for years. I know two people with Mini 14's, and they love them. I'd be excited to shoot a .308 Ruger like that.
Im pretty sure Im a Ruger Fanboi, and Im totally OK with that. Simply because for once, theres a good reason for the fanboism. They make frigging rock solid firearms and they are typically cheaper then their competition
mega_bassist wrote: I wouldn't consider you a "fan boi" - Ruger has been making great firearms for years. I know two people with Mini 14's, and they love them. I'd be excited to shoot a .308 Ruger like that.
Ruger makes the best .22 pistols ever, IMO, they know their stuff.
and I really like that take on the AR-10 platform, and I already like ar-10's...
mega_bassist wrote: I wouldn't consider you a "fan boi" - Ruger has been making great firearms for years. I know two people with Mini 14's, and they love them. I'd be excited to shoot a .308 Ruger like that.
Ruger makes the best .22 pistols ever, IMO, they know their stuff.
and I really like that take on the AR-10 platform, and I already like ar-10's...
oh the things I would buy if $ was no object
They are good and bad.
Their takedown is utter bullocks. There is a whole aftermarket set of parts to get to make the takedown bearable.
My target one was the most accurate thing I ever owned, with a sweet trigger. Something would break every five thousand rounds. Finally it just sort of broke up internally and with a cracked frame and internals messed up. But that was after about 50,000 rounds.
Are 22/45 is ok. Moderately accurate. Trigger is meh and the sights slide around, even after tightening and locktite.
Our two Browning Campers are quite good. But you have to remember to tighten down the top piece every 75-100 rounds.
The one I liked best was a Beretta Neo. To dissassemble it, you just turned a screw adn the whoile assembly came off. Plus the magazine release was at the front of the trigger on the right side. Its perfect. Of course the sight on that messed up and the internals messed up despite repeated trips back to Beretta.
mega_bassist wrote: I wouldn't consider you a "fan boi" - Ruger has been making great firearms for years. I know two people with Mini 14's, and they love them. I'd be excited to shoot a .308 Ruger like that.
Ruger makes the best .22 pistols ever, IMO, they know their stuff.
and I really like that take on the AR-10 platform, and I already like ar-10's...
oh the things I would buy if $ was no object
They are good and bad.
Their takedown is utter bullocks. There is a whole aftermarket set of parts to get to make the takedown bearable.
My target one was the most accurate thing I ever owned, with a sweet trigger. Something would break every five thousand rounds. Finally it just sort of broke up internally and with a cracked frame and internals messed up. But that was after about 50,000 rounds.
Are 22/45 is ok. Moderately accurate. Trigger is meh and the sights slide around, even after tightening and locktite.
Our two Browning Campers are quite good. But you have to remember to tighten down the top piece every 75-100 rounds.
The one I liked best was a Beretta Neo. To dissassemble it, you just turned a screw adn the whoile assembly came off. Plus the magazine release was at the front of the trigger on the right side. Its perfect. Of course the sight on that messed up and the internals messed up despite repeated trips back to Beretta.
Dunno. My daughters MkIII 22/45 target is a tack driver. Trigger is crisp, overall alot of fun. Take down and rebuild leave alot to be desired though.
This video give an excellent tutorial on a quick takedown of the MkIII. Makes cleaning a breeze:
Thats still not a breeze when the competition can take theirs down by turning a screw. I'll note one of the aftermarket trinkets replaces that vertical bolt piece (whatever it was called) with a two part piece. The top you unscrew with an allen wrench like a browning and viola, out comes the bolt.
Frazzled wrote: Thats still not a breeze when the competition can take theirs down by turning a screw. I'll note one of the aftermarket trinkets replaces that vertical bolt piece (whatever it was called) with a two part piece. The top you unscrew with an allen wrench like a browning and viola, out comes the bolt.
I dont need a tool to take down the MKIII or my 1911 or my ARs. That to me makes i relatively easier than hunting down a screwdriver.
Frazzled wrote: Thats still not a breeze when the competition can take theirs down by turning a screw. I'll note one of the aftermarket trinkets replaces that vertical bolt piece (whatever it was called) with a two part piece. The top you unscrew with an allen wrench like a browning and viola, out comes the bolt.
I dont need a tool to take down the MKIII or my 1911 or my ARs. That to me makes i relatively easier than hunting down a screwdriver.
I need a screw driver for my M1
I need a paper clip for my 1911
I need a mallet, flathead screw driver, and hammer for my MKII and 22/45. Ok make that the 22/45 only. The MK11 would fall into little bits if I tried to dissassemble it.
I need an allen wrench for my Browning.
On the other hand I don't need anything for my shotgun, S&Ws, or Berettas.
Frazzled wrote: Thats still not a breeze when the competition can take theirs down by turning a screw. I'll note one of the aftermarket trinkets replaces that vertical bolt piece (whatever it was called) with a two part piece. The top you unscrew with an allen wrench like a browning and viola, out comes the bolt.
I dont need a tool to take down the MKIII or my 1911 or my ARs. That to me makes i relatively easier than hunting down a screwdriver.
I need a screw driver for my M1
I need a paper clip for my 1911
I need a mallet, flathead screw driver, and hammer for my MKII and 22/45. Ok make that the 22/45 only. The MK11 would fall into little bits if I tried to dissassemble it.
I need an allen wrench for my Browning.
On the other hand I don't need anything for my shotgun, S&Ws, or Berettas.
You need to shoot the MKII and 22/45 more often if you need a mallet to take her apart LOL. I did polish the lower receiver as well as the barrel nut in order for the two to mate better.
The only tool I've ever needed for my 1911 is a pen, to push in the spring plug. I too would like to know where the paper clip enters the picture; perhaps some arcana I have not yet discovered.
Ouze wrote: The only tool I've ever needed for my 1911 is a pen, to push in the spring plug. I too would like to know where the paper clip enters the picture; perhaps some arcana I have not yet discovered.
I could see the paper clip being used to remove the slide release which is a bit of a pain in the arse.
I've not needed any tool but my hands to dismantle my 1911.
Frazzled wrote: Thats still not a breeze when the competition can take theirs down by turning a screw. I'll note one of the aftermarket trinkets replaces that vertical bolt piece (whatever it was called) with a two part piece. The top you unscrew with an allen wrench like a browning and viola, out comes the bolt.
I dont need a tool to take down the MKIII or my 1911 or my ARs. That to me makes i relatively easier than hunting down a screwdriver.
I need a screw driver for my M1
I need a paper clip for my 1911
I need a mallet, flathead screw driver, and hammer for my MKII and 22/45. Ok make that the 22/45 only. The MK11 would fall into little bits if I tried to dissassemble it.
I need an allen wrench for my Browning.
On the other hand I don't need anything for my shotgun, S&Ws, or Berettas.
You need to shoot the MKII and 22/45 more often if you need a mallet to take her apart LOL. I did polish the lower receiver as well as the barrel nut in order for the two to mate better.
A paper clip for the 1911? Is it commander size?
Don't get me wrong. I love me some Rugers. I even have a little piece of a Ruger blackhawk in my keister. I'm looking at the Ruger American in .30-06 as my first major bolt action (and likely last, my eyesight really is getting worse).
1911:
Yes indeedy, but It has a captured recoil spring. I prefer the original 1911 style myself vs. this setup. never had a problem putting the spring in. I don't see why people changed it. If it aint broke don't fix it.
yes the S&W is easy. The Beretta 92/M9 and sig 226 are even easier. I've heard Glocks are the same.
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Ouze wrote: The only tool I've ever needed for my 1911 is a pen, to push in the spring plug. I too would like to know where the paper clip enters the picture; perhaps some arcana I have not yet discovered.
Look up youtube Kimber ultra carry field stripping. I'm not being rude, I just don't have access at work else I'd link it.
I don't know how the new Kimbers are as this is one of the earlier models before they got full of themselves. It really is awesome.
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KingCracker wrote: The paper clip is for peeling back the duct tape that holds the Mag in place.
Ouze wrote: The only tool I've ever needed for my 1911 is a pen, to push in the spring plug. I too would like to know where the paper clip enters the picture; perhaps some arcana I have not yet discovered.
I use an empty mag lip to push down the recoil spring plug in order to turn the barrel bushing during dissassembly.
The paper clip trick is used on some Commander sized 1911's.
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KingCracker wrote: The paper clip is for peeling back the duct tape that holds the Mag in place.
LOL... i almost kinda hate the 1911 for that one reason (not actually!)... I cant take it down/put it back to gether without a guitarpick, or a really long fingernail or something... that damn spring that holds the slide release in (you know, right by where people get the "idiot scratch") is the only thing on it that ever gives me trouble.
Only time I have used a tool on my 1911 was something to help push the recoil spring plug back in, which I am changing to a good old normal guide rod and plug for, none of that BS full length stuff!
I do like my USP, just pop out the slide release and it all comes apart nicely. The AR needs a punch (or pen or screw driver) to strip because the pin is so damn tight.
sparkywtf wrote: Only time I have used a tool on my 1911 was something to help push the recoil spring plug back in, which I am changing to a good old normal guide rod and plug for, none of that BS full length stuff!
I do like my USP, just pop out the slide release and it all comes apart nicely. The AR needs a punch (or pen or screw driver) to strip because the pin is so damn tight.
hmm never needed one for the AR, it and my M&P done need anything thats nots part of the gun already to take down or put back.
Wish more usp's were getting up here, such an excellent gun
To be totally specific, it's a total hybridized bastard with the best of several members of the AK family (except the milled receiver, depending on whether you consider that good or not). It's got an AKM receiver, RPK sights, an AKMS stock, and has the AK74 side mounting rail, and so on. It's in 7.62x39 - that stuff is cheap as hell right now. I've ordered a red dot sight but it's not here yet. I also at some point am going to replace the weird compensator they added onto it; I'm not crazy about it.
Ouze wrote: To be totally specific, it's a total hybridized bastard with the best of several members of the AK family (except the milled receiver, depending on whether you consider that good or not). It's got an AKM receiver, RPK sights, an AKMS stock, and has the AK74 side mounting rail, and so on. It's in 7.62x39 - that stuff is cheap as hell right now. I've ordered a red dot sight but it's not here yet. I also at some point am going to replace the weird compensator they added onto it; I'm not crazy about it.
Check out www.cncwarrior.com for some good ak muzzle attatchments. I've ordered from them a couple times. It takes a bit to ship ( I think they machine it when you order) but it's quality stuff. I was thinking of one of those ak's but now the ar pistol bug bit me. Either that or I may just free float both my ar's.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Do yourself a favor and ditch those mags and get some surplus steel mags. Aim surplus is a good source.
So got to do some shooting on Monday. Did a side by side comparison with my XD40 and the wife's G23.
The XD fits my hands perfectly but I am not hitting where I am aiming. Good grouping though.
The Glock is uncomfortable and I have to raise the front dot almost above the rear blade to hit on target. But it drives tacks.
So I think I am going to keep the XD, with the addition of a trigger kit and sights for a daily shooter or GTW gun. And I am going to look at a smaller Glock for a carry gun.
And I busted out the 10/22 for the first time in ages with some brand new 25 round mags and remembered how much of a blast that thing is to plink with.
Next up I need to take the Blackout to the range and dial in the EFFIN-A adjustable compensator.
Kalashnichris wrote: Do yourself a favor and ditch those mags and get some surplus steel mags. Aim surplus is a good source.
You're right on that. I've already ordered some new steel ones that haven't yet arrived - the polymer ones are cheap but looks like you get what you pay for, they're already getting chewed up on the edges when I feed them in.
Unfortunately the steel mags I ordered were Korean grey steel ones which - and I don't know why I always do this - read mixed reviews after I ordered them. They were $15 each with free shipping so I couldn't help it, but ultimately it would have been much cheaper to have just bought some of the "expensive" surplus Bulgarian or Romanian ones in the first place. ITT some people said they were thinking about an AK in the future, learn from my mistakes. It was the same damn way when I started off in the HHHobby - I spent months buying the "cheap" $2 golden taklon brushes than fell apart in 3 weeks before finally buying the Windsor & Newton Series 7 which have lasted years, and in fact still are like new to this day.
Speaking of money-wasting mistakes, I also have a new stock coming today to replace the side folder, which looks cool but is not comfortable to shoot.
SickSix wrote: And I busted out the 10/22 for the first time in ages with some brand new 25 round mags and remembered how much of a blast that thing is to plink with.
cincydooley wrote: Hey Sick ---- Just an FYI some of the XDS serials had a reacall on them. Wanted to give you a heads up in case you didn't know.
Thanks but I don't have an S model. I don't think they have released an XDS 40 yet. I did get to hold an XDS 45 once. That is a sweet little gun. But apparently hard on the wrist when shooting.
Well, after reading all the reviews, I've decided that next year's income tax refund is absolutely going toward a Tavor B16. I have to send it to Portland, Oregon because Washington State tax is more than it costs for me to rent a car and drive it from Seattle to Portland and back. :/
Still wish my State would allow the purchase of SBRs. Would really prefer a FN-PS90. :(
I'm sticking with pistols, aside from the Mariner in the closet.
My girlfriend recently had a come to Jesus moment with the 1911, so now we've got to get her one of those. I reckon it's a good excuse for myself to acquire another.
Seaward wrote: I'm sticking with pistols, aside from the Mariner in the closet.
My girlfriend recently had a come to Jesus moment with the 1911, so now we've got to get her one of those. I reckon it's a good excuse for myself to acquire another.
Seaward wrote: I'm sticking with pistols, aside from the Mariner in the closet.
My girlfriend recently had a come to Jesus moment with the 1911, so now we've got to get her one of those. I reckon it's a good excuse for myself to acquire another.
My girlfriend bought my 1911, and she wants one of her own too. I think she wants a coonan .357 1911 though. She fired one and loved it
Seaward wrote: I'm sticking with pistols, aside from the Mariner in the closet.
My girlfriend recently had a come to Jesus moment with the 1911, so now we've got to get her one of those. I reckon it's a good excuse for myself to acquire another.
Indeed. She bought a Gen 4 Glock 19 when she decided she was getting a gun after her stalker incident, and while she was always happy to go the range, the very first time she ever went without me and not for a women's class was after her instructor had her try out a 1911. She never showed any interest in mine before that. I think she was afraid of the .45, having seen some stupid 'girls hurting themselves with recoil' videos. Soon as she tried it, though...sold.
We're going shopping next weekend. Think I'm gonna try to pick up an MC Operator to tinker with.
Yeah, my .45 1911 shoots way nicer than my Ruger P95 in 9MM. Might be because of the weight of the 1911.
On an aside, looking at getting a Ruger American rifle in .308. My reasoning being that I have several boxes of 30 cal bullets that are spitzer and hollow point that I cant use in my 30-30 Marlin. Got the bullets as well as a 30-06 set of dies in a trade. I dont want a 30-06, so.......I have to go to .308
Just zeroed the 30-30 and the Mauser 8MM for deer. The 30-30 shot a string of 5 shots that can be covered with a thumb, the Mauser has three shots that can be covered with a 50 cent piece. The Mauser's scope was WAYYYY off, cost me almost $10 to zero it :(
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