I've been checking this forum for a bit but didn't see any threads on shooting/guns. What do you guys shoot/collect? I've been into military style arms for about 8 or 10 years. Even worked for a year for a gunsmith building Yugoslavian M70AB2 rifles for Century Arms International. Thought I would share a few pics.
- Palmetto State Armory lower with Palmetto State trigger. BCM 20" heavy barrel upper with Troy " Claymore" break. Primary Arms 3x compact scope. Magpul furniture and magazine.
-Spikes Tactical M4 style carbine. 16" barrel with YHM break. Primary Arms micro red dot. Magpul furniture and magazine.
- My AKM's. The top one is a Romanian Guard rifle. First AK I ever built. Ran it with a fixed butt stock for years, then had it converted by a gunsmith to an underfolder. I've put a ton of rounds through this thing and it runs like a champ. Bottom rifle also started out as Romanian Guard rifle that I built up when I was working as a gunsmith. AK47 front with AK74 stock, aka Kyber Pass special. I personally drilled and set every rivet in this rifle. Accurate as the x39 round could ever be. Sh!t goes down, I'd grab this rifle everytime.
- Springfield 1911. Old school blaster at its finest. I carry this when clothes allow.
-Romanian RPK with 75 round drum
- old pic of my EDC (every day carry). Glock 19 (15 in mag plus one in the chamber) in galco iwb holster, extra 15 round mag and a benchmade autoknife. Still use this setup, but its got some nice wear to it.
I have a bunch of other cool gun pics to share if you want me to. Post up!!!!
M1 Carbine
M4/AR-15. Panther manufacturer except I go with the old metal 30 round mags
M9 Berreta but looking into a 1911 myself
My assorted "relic" shot guns from her Grandfather
I really do not hunt and mainly go rec shooting. M1 occasionally due to price of ammo but the M4 most time
I'd love to do more rec shooting, but it's damn hard to find a place to shoot rifles here in Illinois. Ammo ain't cheap either, especially with talk on the street that we'll be seeing a 300% increase in a state tax over it by the end of the year.
God I hate this state. Also just found out it's going to cost me $300 to get a CCW for my wife and I (5 year's on it), not counting whatever the cost of registering for the 16 hour courses is going to be.
djones520 wrote: I'd love to do more rec shooting, but it's damn hard to find a place to shoot rifles here in Illinois. Ammo ain't cheap either, especially with talk on the street that we'll be seeing a 300% increase in a state tax over it by the end of the year.
God I hate this state. Also just found out it's going to cost me $300 to get a CCW for my wife and I (5 year's on it), not counting whatever the cost of registering for the 16 hour courses is going to be.
I got qualified for my ccw when I took my armed guard test. Only guy that out shot me was a retired RI state policeman, shooting his old service weapon. Think I gave my state $120 or so and had my ccw less then 2 weeks later. I actually got into 40k due to the cost increase of shooting.
That's Kali, my Siamese Mauser .45-70 conversion. It's a bloody big caliber rifle that sounds and kicks like a shotgun, and fires cartridges the size of my finger. Fun times.
So I'm relatively new to the rec shooting, but I love it. Here's what we've got so far:
Mossberg Silver Reserve 28" 12g - use this for skeet
Beretta PX4 Storm 9mm - my carry
Beretta Neos - plinker/target shooter. Because, you know, it's cheap.
Sig2022 .40 - my bedside home D weapon
I'm looking to get into 3 gun hopefully, but know very little about rifles unfortunately. I'll be most likely getting a Glock34 for my pistol and a VersaMax for my shotgun.
I used an M16A1 and M16A2 in the Marine Corps. Since then I've been reluctant to get an AR15 because the thought of cleaning one makes me want to weep.
I do have a pistol which I purchased earlier this year. It's a Chiappa Rhino 2" snub nose .357 revolver that shoots from the bottom chamber instead of the top. It helps direct recoil into your arms to lessen the "snapping" effect of shooting a pistol. The 6" version was used in the newer Total Recall movie with Colin Farrell.
Even with a 2" barrel, this thing is a big gun. Here's a shot of it on top of a 40k plastic Rhino for comparison.
Breotan wrote: I used an M16A1 and M16A2 in the Marine Corps. Since then I've been reluctant to get an AR15 because the thought of cleaning one makes me want to weep.
I do have a pistol which I purchased earlier this year. It's a Chiappa Rhino 2" snub nose .357 revolver that shoots from the bottom chamber instead of the top. It helps direct recoil into your arms to lessen the "snapping" effect of shooting a pistol. The 6" version was used in the newer Total Recall movie with Colin Farrell.
Even with a 2" barrel, this thing is a big gun. Here's a shot of it on top of a 40k plastic Rhino for comparison.
My latest acquisition is the AR-15 I built using a stripped lower from Aero Precision and a Palmetto State Armory upper.
Here's the rest of the lot:
the only difference in this photo is the black bolt action's been sold, and the rest of the pictured guns were lost in a tragic boating accident.
I want to acquire: STG-44(22), FAL, SIG-516, Mosin Nagant, PPSH
Good stuff!!! I checkedout those stg44 .22 rifles at my local shop. Very well built and heavy for a.22 but can't beat the cool factor. My buddy has one and it runs like a champ. I love shooting Mosins. Classic rifle with lots of kick. If you want one, I'd get one ASAP. I used to get them all day for around $100. I see the prices are climbing .This is my all matching 1940 91/30-
1945 Model44-
Romanian AK74-
djones520 wrote: I'd love to do more rec shooting, but it's damn hard to find a place to shoot rifles here in Illinois. Ammo ain't cheap either, especially with talk on the street that we'll be seeing a 300% increase in a state tax over it by the end of the year.
God I hate this state. Also just found out it's going to cost me $300 to get a CCW for my wife and I (5 year's on it), not counting whatever the cost of registering for the 16 hour courses is going to be.
Just move over to Missouri! We'd love to have you!
djones520 wrote: I'd love to do more rec shooting, but it's damn hard to find a place to shoot rifles here in Illinois. Ammo ain't cheap either, especially with talk on the street that we'll be seeing a 300% increase in a state tax over it by the end of the year.
God I hate this state. Also just found out it's going to cost me $300 to get a CCW for my wife and I (5 year's on it), not counting whatever the cost of registering for the 16 hour courses is going to be.
Just move over to Missouri! We'd love to have you!
My 19 mpg truck would not appreciate the 60 mile per day drive to work.
Mosins are like 60 to 100 bucks atm. Their ammo is a little steep (compared to what I'm used to shooting), but I do enjoy my Mosin
We have in my house, an ATI 1911 (love this thing!), my 1943 all original parts Mosin, and this bad boy (the actual gun we have is not this pretty, the gun we have needs a lot of work)
Wyrmalla wrote: I feel as though every other picture in this thread aught to just have the caption "'Murica" beneath it and leave the comments be...
Why? You can enjoy gun sports and rec shooting without being a redneck.
Huh? I wasn't inferring anyone was a redneck, just that this thread's oozing pure Americaness with all the gun love. =)
Though on another note I'm not too into all that engraving and skulls Kalashnichris. To me it makes them look a little like Airsoft toys, but I guess personal tastes. ^^
Ex Army, current recreational shooter here. I own a CETME (aka G-3 built in Spain) and a Beretta 96D. I've shot many different guns, and have done a lot of tactical training through the Army and my Police Dept. Here are some pics!
that's a pic of me, my rifle and my current set up. My (personally owned) IBA and CETME.
View of just my kit.
My Beretta 96D
Me during my first tour in Iraq. I just watched Equilibrium.
Not on the computer that has pictures, but I've got...
2x Heckler & Koch P30
2x Glock 17
2x Glock 19 (girlfriend's guns)
1x Les Baer Custom Carry
1x Springfield Mil-Spec that's currently being turned into a custom build.
cincydooley wrote: Oh Les Baers are sooooooo pretty. I told my wife that's what I want for our 10th.
It's a hell of a shooter, and if you said, "Seaward! You have to make this shot for one million dollars!" it's the gun I'd choose to use, but I actually shoot it infrequently. I can abuse the Glocks & HKs all day long - don't think I've cleaned any of them in over 5,000 rounds - but doing that to a Baer would just be wrong.
S&W 9c, cz 82, a wz 48 polish training rifle (its a mosin that fires 22lr) and a cheap single shot 22lr/.410 combo. I really want to get a mosin or an ak74, but I may be moving soon and don't know where I would even be able to keep it.
Found an awesome local club that has a huge outdoor range for only 30$ a year, only for me to have to leave soon. Just my luck
I also have a Beretta Px4 9mm, LOVE it.
I have an AK-47 with a lovely red dot optic.
Of course I have a Mosin.
Remington 870 with rifle sights. Nice to shoot slugs out of.
MWHistorian wrote: I was a firearms instructor for Crusader Weaponry. (They really do make the best gun oil out there: Slipstream.) Army Vet. Love my commie guns.
I love your 3,000 Miles to Graceland glasses better
My oldest brother and I go shooting whenever we get the chance. Lately it has been awhile, since our typical shooting place closed up, and the nearest one is a good 40 minute drive.
The carved up stuff comes and goes. I have a non carved set I put on there every once and a while. I want a set of plum handguards and pistol grip to toss on there, but I keep spending my money on 40k stuff. As far as CZ goes, I used to own a CZ52 (7,62x25) and CZ82 (9x18 Makarov).My father in law bought the 82 so I still get to visit.
My stuff is pretty pedestrian. Cant say I wear mall ninja black at the range though. Basically for EDC, normal everyday wear.
Since my family likes to shoot, I also do reloading. Since they also like venison, I hunt. Didnt get a chance at a doe license though this year, they sold out pretty quickly :( May try turkey bow hunting...
I've been rocking the same outfit forever. Black tee and shorts. No mall ninja here I want to get into reloading, but I just don't have the time/$$/space. Its easier just to buy a thousand rounds of whatever and stack it away.
Kalashnichris wrote: I've been rocking the same outfit forever. Black tee and shorts. No mall ninja here I want to get into reloading, but I just don't have the time/$$/space. Its easier just to buy a thousand rounds of whatever and stack it away.
Oh, I got that too. .Reloading doesnt take up that much room, I have all my reloading stuff on a cart that doubles as a reloading table, allows me to move it around the garage.
Kalashnichris wrote: I've been rocking the same outfit forever. Black tee and shorts. No mall ninja here I want to get into reloading, but I just don't have the time/$$/space. Its easier just to buy a thousand rounds of whatever and stack it away.
Oh, I got that too. A few thousand rounds of 62gr 556, another few thousand rounds of .22, a few hundred of 30-30 and 8MM, a couple thousand of 45.......Reloading doesnt take up that much room, I have all my reloading stuff on a cart that doubles as a reloading table, allows me to move it around the garage.
As someone who is extremely interested in trying to save some money by reloading, how much did it cost to get all your equipment and approximate cost of "upkeep" for reloads?
I've use some old...ooolllddddd sets of BDU's I have still have when we transition out to ACU's. So I stick with those but since half of those are pretty ratty looking (summer sets) I going to have to DX them out to the local Good Will. As for my current sets of ACU's I probably going to have the Velcro replaced with a better brand
Kalashnichris wrote: I've been rocking the same outfit forever. Black tee and shorts. No mall ninja here I want to get into reloading, but I just don't have the time/$$/space. Its easier just to buy a thousand rounds of whatever and stack it away.
Oh, I got that too. A few thousand rounds of 62gr 556, another few thousand rounds of .22, a few hundred of 30-30 and 8MM, a couple thousand of 45.......Reloading doesnt take up that much room, I have all my reloading stuff on a cart that doubles as a reloading table, allows me to move it around the garage.
As someone who is extremely interested in trying to save some money by reloading, how much did it cost to get all your equipment and approximate cost of "upkeep" for reloads?
I traded a set of trophy grade moose antlers for a full reloading kit.
That said, you can get a starter reloading kit from Midway for around $320 for the deluxe RCBS kit. Dies cost around $40-$45 a set. A tumbler will cost around $70, tumbling media is around $15 a bag. Powder costs $24 for a 1lb can. Say 223 bullets, I use Hornady Z or V Maxx 55gr for $65 for 500 bullets. Primer varies on type, about $29-40 for 1000 piece box. For brass, I buy quality factory ammo, burn through it, reuse the brass. You can reuse some brass from half to a dozen reloads, depending on the amount of powder and caliber. I am getting into lead casting for 45 ACP, was able to gather 130lbs of lead for $55. A good reloading manual will cost around $30.
Right now the market is distorted, what with OhBahMuh and people generally thinking the whole thing is gonna crash down around them. I cant wait for things to go back to normal, Ill be buying up alot of the stuff the panic buyers will throw back into the market.
IDPA pistol shooting for me. I shoot an M&P with KKM barrel, tweaked trigger, adjustable rear sight and fiber optic front sight. I'm not very good yet. Look at this fatass! When I am out of ammo I just beat you with my belly and then the wiener dogs feast on manflesh! (raise the sound up to hear the tears of frustration!)
What's it take to get into that Frazzled? Looks like it would be a good way to train and a bit more fun than just shooting a square target at the range all day.
anyone have any suggestions for a good vertical foregrip with light for an M4/AR? I've been doing some online shopping but having a hard time finding anything that my local stores actually stock. I dont mind dropping the 500-800 bucks on a good quality product but would like to make sure I like it and the damn thing fits in my hand well enough before buying
ironicsilence wrote: anyone have any suggestions for a good vertical foregrip with light for an M4/AR? I've been doing some online shopping but having a hard time finding anything that my local stores actually stock. I dont mind dropping the 500-800 bucks on a good quality product but would like to make sure I like it and the damn thing fits in my hand well enough before buying
Tango down orMagpul is good kit. I like stubbies.
Of course, you have to go with a free float if youre putting grips, lights, lasers, etc etc.......Heck, a sling puts enough bend on a barrel. You wouldnt believe how little stress/weight it takes to throw off a barrel.
MrMoustaffa wrote: What's it take to get into that Frazzled? Looks like it would be a good way to train and a bit more fun than just shooting a square target at the range all day.
IDPA is the local stock car version of competitive shooting. While it can be, the equipment is not meant to be expensive.
A pistol, three mags minimum, a holster, mag holder, and of course the oh so styling tacticool fishing vest is the new black.
To be competitive holster and mag holder are about $150. If not trying to be competitive just bring your carry rig and get a double mag holder for $20.
Pistols have several categories. If you're trying to be competitive but are cheap then you're plastic gun and just a few modifications.
MWHistorian wrote: IDPA is a great way to push yourself and improve your skills. It'll kick your butt in ways you never imagined.
I agree. Here are the parts I have problems with: *Aiming *Squeezing the trigger. *Remembering the course of fire. *Squeezing the trigger in rapid fire. *Movement. *Squeezing the trigger in slow fire. *Standing. *Reloads. *Remembering to wear hearing protection: aka "WHAT??? Ears on? WHY??? WHAT??? People are shooting???"
Here are the parts I excel at: *Drinking coffee before the match. *Advanced tactical chair sitting.
USPSA can be great as well. It tends to require more movement, and more rounds downrange. It used to be the realm of raceguns but they now have production categories like standard IDPA categories which is excellent. During the Obama Bullet Freakout II more rounds is a difficulty.
No pics, but I have an FN FNP-9, and it's been a dream to shoot.
As soon as I have the spare funds, I'll be adding an 870 and a Mosin to the collection. I'm supposed to be getting a '69 1100 from my stepdad, but it's in need of repairs at the moment.
If I can find a reasonably prices AK-47 and a 74 I'd love to have those...and an AR eventually. But, any rifles are on a wish-list. I'm happy with shooting trap and pistol targets for the moment.
Comps? Competition?
M&P FS 9mm. It has a KKM Barrel, and Burwell tweek to 3.5lb. DA and DA/SA are the two biggest categories shooting.
About once every two months I use an M&Pc, thats stock.
If I were just competing I'd think about an XDM with the 5.25 barrel. It already had adjustable sights and fiber optic front. Obviously there are 8 million glocks being shot, with I'd say M&P and XDM as the secondary categories. I don't see many DA/SAs in my part of the country. You will occasionally see an STI 2011 (double column 1911 style), and of course there is its own category of 1911s which are typically very good shooters.
Comps? Competition?
M&P FS 9mm. It has a KKM Barrel, and Burwell tweek to 3.5lb. DA and DA/SA are the two biggest categories shooting.
About once every two months I use an M&Pc, thats stock.
If I were just competing I'd think about an XDM with the 5.25 barrel. It already had adjustable sights and fiber optic front. Obviously there are 8 million glocks being shot, with I'd say M&P and XDM as the secondary categories. I don't see many DA/SAs in my part of the country. You will occasionally see an STI 2011 (double column 1911 style), and of course there is its own category of 1911s which are typically very good shooters.
You know what, you posted that you were shooting an M&P FS9 and I completely brain farted and forgot. My b! Does your barrel have a compensator on it? If so, how much does it actually reduce recoil?
My buddy has quite a few of the XDM line and loves em. I'm not a huge fan of the grips, but when i've fired his they've certainly been nice and accurate.
No compensator. I shoot SSP (stock service pistol) and compensators are not permitted. No permanent changes to grips, no grip extender/magwell, compensators, generally no weights you can put on (there has been a recent change in that area).
I oike the XDM grips, but I was raised on dirtbikes and motorcycles in general, so that may way that as a factor...
Frazzled wrote: No compensator. I shoot SSP (stock service pistol) and compensators are not permitted. No permanent changes to grips, no grip extender/magwell, compensators, generally no weights you can put on (there has been a recent change in that area).
Very cool. We've got a lot of of organized events for the Glock Sport Shooting Foundation in my area, so I've been investigating getting a "competition" pistol for a bit now. I realize for that I'd need Glock (duh) but it's always nice to hear about waht others are using!
I oike the XDM grips, but I was raised on dirtbikes and motorcycles in general, so that may way that as a factor...
My buddy raced dirtbikes competitively, so its interesting that you mention that!
Myself, I prefer the sig style simple round pebble grip.. It's part of the reason I've been hesitant to get a Glock at all and a big reason I'm disappointed with where H&K has moved the grips on their P series of pistols; the USPs have the nice no frills pebbled grip.
Good bit of glocks. I've not seen compensators on any of them. I see a good number of the glock 34s (the competition length ones if thats the one). As noted, the local stuff draws the weekend hack variety more then super racegun crowd.
Interestingly I often see SSP or ESP (DAO guys with minimal tweeks) outshooting the higher end 1911 crowd as well. Unless you're going true racegun, once you get a certain minimal level, its the shooter and not the gun (which means I truly suck...)
I'd proffer get the competition glock, which IIRC isn't expensive, and shoot that straight for a while. Then modify as desired but keep the OEM parts so you can re-install if you need to. Plus when you're ready to tweek you can look to see what categories that would meet up with in IDPA and USPSA (and how popular those are) and that way you can compete in all three.
I'd proffer get the competition glock, which IIRC isn't expensive, and shoot that straight for a while. Then modify as desired but keep the OEM parts so you can re-install if you need to. Plus when you're ready to tweek you can look to see what categories that would meet up with in IDPA and USPSA (and how popular those are) and that way you can compete in all three.
Yeah, thats exactly what I was thinking. I think I can get a G4 (which comes with the three mags) for like, $650 at the local shop. Plus the wife is all aboard with it, so that's probably a good idea.
Huh, so all I would need is another mag and a basic holster/mag pouch. Cool, I'll have to look around and see if there's a club in my area. Probably just use my 9c since that's what I would normally carry.
MrMoustaffa wrote: Huh, so all I would need is another mag and a basic holster/mag pouch. Cool, I'll have to look around and see if there's a club in my area. Probably just use my 9c since that's what I would normally carry.
Technically you don't really need a mag pouch. Its highly advisable though, even if you're just trying out your CC type. I normally have a full size spare mag in a buck knife type case, but I use a double mag holder for safety reasons.
As noted I use a 9c on occasion. its not as good on longer shots (duh) but its still plenty good enough if you're just trying to practice and have a little fun doing it. Do you use the mags with the pinkie rest or flat?
MrMoustaffa wrote: Huh, so all I would need is another mag and a basic holster/mag pouch. Cool, I'll have to look around and see if there's a club in my area. Probably just use my 9c since that's what I would normally carry.
Technically you don't really need a mag pouch. Its highly advisable though, even if you're just trying out your CC type. I normally have a full size spare mag in a buck knife type case, but I use a double mag holder for safety reasons.
As noted I use a 9c on occasion. its not as good on longer shots (duh) but its still plenty good enough if you're just trying to practice and have a little fun doing it. Do you use the mags with the pinkie rest or flat?
canadian three gunner and steel challenge with the occational IDPA match, maybe iPSC if I become a masochist (dont know about you yanks, but up here ipsc is very elitist and not so much fun)
I compete in irons divistion in 3 gun, cause real men use iron sights up to 300m and do just as well as the ladies with their scopes
production class in all the pistol stuff, fine tuned my S&W m&p myself, runs like a clock, I love that pistol.
kinda nice having all this cheap norinco stuff coming in as well,
AR's for 700 bucks, .223 for 25c a round, just got a 1911+1000rnds .45 for 499$ shipped!
that being said I am very tempted to get my paper work in order to take the gear stateside, as your competitions are a bit more intricate and actually have some decent prizes.
There are different ones for different calibers. Its ready to party with all the in crowd calibers.
I like their holsters too. Equally cheap but still good quality.
I have a Comp tac holster for the full size as the front sight I put on is too big for most non competition holsters but it was the only one that would pair well with the adjustable sight I put on the thing.
I've been thinking about IDPA, but the only problem is the closest place to me that runs it is about a 45 minute drive away...considereing how much I drive already for work, it's a little too much for me at the moment
mega_bassist wrote: I've been thinking about IDPA, but the only problem is the closest place to me that runs it is about a 45 minute drive away...considereing how much I drive already for work, it's a little too much for me at the moment
I drive a lot myself, living between cities and all, but its worth it to me for the hobby aspects. But I can understand not wanting to drive more. Boy can I understand.
MrMoustaffa wrote: Huh, so all I would need is another mag and a basic holster/mag pouch. Cool, I'll have to look around and see if there's a club in my area. Probably just use my 9c since that's what I would normally carry.
Technically you don't really need a mag pouch. Its highly advisable though, even if you're just trying out your CC type. I normally have a full size spare mag in a buck knife type case, but I use a double mag holder for safety reasons.
As noted I use a 9c on occasion. its not as good on longer shots (duh) but its still plenty good enough if you're just trying to practice and have a little fun doing it. Do you use the mags with the pinkie rest or flat?
Well. for 9mm clip pouches. You know the Gerber multitool set they issue us. I use that pouch which can hold two clips side by side. Quite a few people toss that pouch and stick the Gerber in a note pad pouch with the "Shatter Glass" tool by it.
For holsters and such, I really like G-Code. They got good stuff. If you're looking at competing, you'll need a good holster and mag carriers. An artist is only as good as his tools....or something like that.
http://www.tacticalholsters.com/
Those are my 2 biggest shooting sports. though it is dove season now so i am out doing that when i get the time.
I shoot trap / skeet but not in a comp setting. just me the GF and a few other people.
Jihadin wrote: Well. for 9mm clip pouches. You know the Gerber multitool set they issue us. I use that pouch which can hold two clips side by side. Quite a few people toss that pouch and stick the Gerber in a note pad pouch with the "Shatter Glass" tool by it.
There are several pouches like that. Again I reference Academy, as its a home away from home "You're going to look at shoes. Ok, I'm just going to go over by camping for awhile." "Remember Dad, you said don't let you buy a shotgun today." "I'm not going by the guns." "NO SHOTGUNS." "grr..."
easysauce wrote: canadian three gunner and steel challenge with the occational IDPA match, maybe iPSC if I become a masochist (dont know about you yanks, but up here ipsc is very elitist and not so much fun)
That is a criticism. My local gun club shoots mostly IDPA but occasionally USPSA (US version of IPSC). The little bit I posted was actually a USPSA style. I don't know about larger matches. Its different (less scenario type, more run and gun) but similar.
I compete in irons divistion in 3 gun, cause real men use iron sights up to 300m and do just as well as the ladies with their scopes
Wait until real men get old and their vision goes... If things go ok and the wife doesn't give devastating amounts of money to the body shop (again) I'm looking at tactical (thats tacticool to you and me) shotgun competition as well. Not keen on carbine because I don't want to look like an operator wannabe (no offense meant) and because that might involve running, which would soon involve an ambulance, and then funeral home, and then a viking burial at Inks Lake, and then the wife goes to Cancun with the poolboy, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A POOL!
production class in all the pistol stuff, fine tuned my S&W m&p myself, runs like a clock, I love that pistol.
Very good young man.
kinda nice having all this cheap norinco stuff coming in as well,
AR's for 700 bucks, .223 for 25c a round, just got a 1911+1000rnds .45 for 499$ shipped!
bang bang!!!
that being said I am very tempted to get my paper work in order to take the gear stateside, as your competitions are a bit more intricate and actually have some decent prizes.
Paper work? WE have whats called an open border here...
Those are my 2 biggest shooting sports. though it is dove season now so i am out doing that when i get the time. I shoot trap / skeet but not in a comp setting. just me the GF and a few other people.
Not shot but seen. The thought of shooting a double barreled coach gun makes me slightly giddy. Are you pistol or do you shoot rifle as well?
No, mag pouches and holsters are fit to each pistol. There isnt a generic holster that will fit every pistol. I had to buy all new carry gear when I switched from 9MM to 45. Hopefully, after I buy another upper for an AR project, I'll be looking at getting an STI Spartan. I may get one in 9MM to compliment my RIA 1911.
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Jihadin wrote: Well. for 9mm clip pouches. You know the Gerber multitool set they issue us. I use that pouch which can hold two clips side by side. Quite a few people toss that pouch and stick the Gerber in a note pad pouch with the "Shatter Glass" tool by it.
Jihadin wrote: Well. for 9mm clip pouches. You know the Gerber multitool set they issue us. I use that pouch which can hold two clips side by side. Quite a few people toss that pouch and stick the Gerber in a note pad pouch with the "Shatter Glass" tool by it.
Bah nostalgia, not been shooting on a range since I was a cadet, firearms are a hell of a lot more controlled over here but no point getting into that on a good thread.
A damned shame too brought back trophies our team hadn't won for decades, most of the 'ranges' round here are all clay pigeon though which while fun is not really what I'm into. The only rifle ranges even vaguely close to me are pitifully short distance too, when I was a cadet I was a good 100-300 metres from the target, the nearest one has a 'maximum range' of 45 metres.
Ignatius-Grulgor wrote: Bah nostalgia, not been shooting on a range since I was a cadet, firearms are a hell of a lot more controlled over here but no point getting into that on a good thread.
A damned shame too brought back trophies our team hadn't won for decades, most of the 'ranges' round here are all clay pigeon though which while fun is not really what I'm into. The only rifle ranges even vaguely close to me are pitifully short distance too, when I was a cadet I was a good 100-300 metres from the target, the nearest one has a 'maximum range' of 45 metres.
45 metres? Out here in Utah that's considered point blank range.
Here's my rifle range until Sept 7th when I move to Japan. 0-1000 yards. they even have a metal bigfoot target out there.
Frazzled wrote: I was going to cut Jihadin some slack on that.
However, if someone wants to give me a field grade Enfield for free, I'll gladly use clips on that puppy.
Nothing against Jihadin (respect!). It's just a peeve of mine because it's two different pieces of equipment. The nomenclature is a holdover from WWII as the GI's main weapon was an M1, that used clips to reload the rifle (as did the German Mauser and the Japanese Arisaka). Today's service rifles/pistols use magazines. I may get my 556 on clips, but it goes into a magazine before it goes into the rifle
Frazzled wrote: Not shot but seen. The thought of shooting a double barreled coach gun makes me slightly giddy. Are you pistol or do you shoot rifle as well?
I shoot a 1897 pump for my shotgun
taken apart and smoothed up... nothing fancy
1873 lever action for my rifle
Action job and short stroke kit (aka cheaters kit) done by "Long Hunter"
Then i installed a flip up tang sight
2x ruger new vaquero
lighter trigger and hammer springs installed by myself
Basic action job done by myself as well
In wild bunch you loose the 2 single action revolvers and pick up a 1911.
Frazzled wrote: Not shot but seen. The thought of shooting a double barreled coach gun makes me slightly giddy. Are you pistol or do you shoot rifle as well?
I shoot a 1897 pump for my shotgun
taken apart and smoothed up... nothing fancy
1873 lever action for my rifle
Action job and short stroke kit (aka cheaters kit) done by "Long Hunter"
Then i installed a flip up tang sight
2x ruger new vaquero
lighter trigger and hammer springs installed by myself
Basic action job done by myself as well
In wild bunch you loose the 2 single action revolvers and pick up a 1911.
I would LOVE to be able to do Cowboy action, and my daughter is nuts about Cowboys and the Wild West. It's just the cost that is keeping me out. Dont you have to get period costumes etc? Can you use a Ruger Single Six (22LR) o does it have to be cowboy loads?
Spacemanvic wrote: I would LOVE to be able to do Cowboy action, and my daughter is nuts about Cowboys and the Wild West. It's just the cost that is keeping me out. Dont you have to get period costumes etc? Can you use a Ruger Single Six (22LR) o does it have to be cowboy loads?
Depends on the club really. some clubs are nuts about costumes. the first few shoots i went to i was in my work boots, long jeans and a t-shirt. then i started to ware a dress up long sleve shirt.
but now i have a full costume
as far as guns go yeah that is what stops most people from getting into it.
for younger shooters .22's are fine. ruger single six's and henery lever actions. younger shooters dont have to shoot a shotgun but can shoot .410 or if they want to 20 or 12 gauge.
Some of the Uberti pistols are not to bad. i have seen stuff like the 1873 cattlemen go for $350 used... but you do need 2 of them.
the rifles can vary in price. my set up was $1,700 ish for JUST the rifle. but it is the best one i have handled
The shotgun will run you around $400-$500
If you get a 1897 pump theres not really a whole lot that can go wrong.
If you get a side by side coach gun then make sure its not stiff to open up.
another BIG thing to consider is what ammo you want to shoot. i reload .45 long colt so thats what i shoot from my rifle and 2 pistols.
If i dident reload then .45 LC is about $1 a round. so i would have gone with .38's.
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havent met a club yet that required people to shoot full loads. they are all into it, they know that guns are expensive
Spacemanvic wrote: I would LOVE to be able to do Cowboy action, and my daughter is nuts about Cowboys and the Wild West. It's just the cost that is keeping me out. Dont you have to get period costumes etc? Can you use a Ruger Single Six (22LR) o does it have to be cowboy loads?
Depends on the club really. some clubs are nuts about costumes. the first few shoots i went to i was in my work boots, long jeans and a t-shirt. then i started to ware a dress up long sleve shirt.
but now i have a full costume
as far as guns go yeah that is what stops most people from getting into it.
for younger shooters .22's are fine. ruger single six's and henery lever actions. younger shooters dont have to shoot a shotgun but can shoot .410 or if they want to 20 or 12 gauge.
Some of the Uberti pistols are not to bad. i have seen stuff like the 1873 cattlemen go for $350 used... but you do need 2 of them.
the rifles can vary in price. my set up was $1,700 ish for JUST the rifle. but it is the best one i have handled
The shotgun will run you around $400-$500
If you get a 1897 pump theres not really a whole lot that can go wrong.
If you get a side by side coach gun then make sure its not stiff to open up.
another BIG thing to consider is what ammo you want to shoot. i reload .45 long colt so thats what i shoot from my rifle and 2 pistols.
If i dident reload then .45 LC is about $1 a round. so i would have gone with .38's.
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havent met a club yet that required people to shoot full loads. they are all into it, they know that guns are expensive
Do you cast your own lead or do you do Penn Bullets? Also, would a Browning BL-22 lever action suffice for my daughter?
I've never heard of of the Wilb Bunch/SASS clubs! That's looks like tons of fun, but I doubt I'd join due to the cost. And the costumes remind me of western horse back riding competitions - the flashier, the better!
Spacemanvic wrote: Do you cast your own lead or do you do Penn Bullets? Also, would a Browning BL-22 lever action suffice for my daughter?
Well, I am on a team of relaoders. 1 works the reloading press, 1 guy melts down the lead and casts bullets (all the sizes we shoot) and then myself and a few others work the sizing presses.
You can buy bullets already cast but it REALLY cuts down on the cost if you can cast your own.
A Browning BL-22 should be fine. Most clubs are not really picky about stuff like that. And i doubt any club would turn down a young shooter.
A good rule of thumb is "If it looks the part of an old west gun then its fine to use." SASS even allows for people to use modern adjustable sights now i think. at least for older shooters but i think for everyone.
Spacemanvic wrote: Totally. Couldnt get over how soft shooting everything was too.
That is because most people who reload their own ammo load really light loads. less recoil and less ware and tare on the gun.
There have been times when i have shot and SAW my bullet in a little flash of bright silver before it hit the target
Now if you get into Wild Bunch shooting then they have a power factor that you have to meet which = allmost full power factory loads.
But there again, If your daughter wants to shoot then light loads or a .22lr 1911 is just fine.
Isn't black powder though a bit acidic on the weapon itself? Worst then then the dreaded rust? I never heard of it till I watched like the first episode of season one of Longmire where he mention it talking about a Spencer rifle.
Jihadin wrote: Isn't black powder though a bit acidic on the weapon itself? Worst then then the dreaded rust? I never heard of it till I watched like the first episode of season one of Longmire where he mention it talking about a Spencer rifle.
Longmire's a TV show. Only if moisture gets into the powder in the weapon, then the potassium nitrate corrodes. Thats why cans of black powder dont rust from the inside. Its also why percusion cap pistols like Robert E Lees can be loaded for over 10 years, then fired seven years after his death and still work with no corrosion. I have a can of FFF black powder from 1968 that still works, and a buddy has a can of DuPont FF gunpowder from 1926 that is still good.
Jihadin wrote: Isn't black powder though a bit acidic on the weapon itself? Worst then then the dreaded rust? I never heard of it till I watched like the first episode of season one of Longmire where he mention it talking about a Spencer rifle.
Longmire's a TV show. Only if moisture gets into the powder in the weapon, then the potassium nitrate corrodes. Thats why cans of black powder dont rust from the inside. Its also why percusion cap pistols like Robert E Lees can be loaded for over 10 years, then fired seven years after his death and still work with no corrosion. I have a can of FFF black powder from 1968 that still works, and a buddy has a can of DuPont FF gunpowder from 1926 that is still good.
Interesting. I could have sworn I read somewhere that ammo had a shelf life of around four to six years.
Jihadin wrote: Isn't black powder though a bit acidic on the weapon itself? Worst then then the dreaded rust? I never heard of it till I watched like the first episode of season one of Longmire where he mention it talking about a Spencer rifle.
Longmire's a TV show. Only if moisture gets into the powder in the weapon, then the potassium nitrate corrodes. Thats why cans of black powder dont rust from the inside. Its also why percusion cap pistols like Robert E Lees can be loaded for over 10 years, then fired seven years after his death and still work with no corrosion. I have a can of FFF black powder from 1968 that still works, and a buddy has a can of DuPont FF gunpowder from 1926 that is still good.
Interesting. I could have sworn I read somewhere that ammo had a shelf life of around four to six years.
If that was true 7.62x54r surplus would just be a fancy looking paperweight.
Jihadin wrote: Isn't black powder though a bit acidic on the weapon itself? Worst then then the dreaded rust? I never heard of it till I watched like the first episode of season one of Longmire where he mention it talking about a Spencer rifle.
Longmire's a TV show. Only if moisture gets into the powder in the weapon, then the potassium nitrate corrodes. Thats why cans of black powder dont rust from the inside. Its also why percusion cap pistols like Robert E Lees can be loaded for over 10 years, then fired seven years after his death and still work with no corrosion. I have a can of FFF black powder from 1968 that still works, and a buddy has a can of DuPont FF gunpowder from 1926 that is still good.
Interesting. I could have sworn I read somewhere that ammo had a shelf life of around four to six years.
If moisture gets into smokeless/black powder, then it ruins the powder, or at least lowers its burn rate.
I grew up shooting with family members, but have only recently gotten back into it as an adult. I have several gifted and inherited firearms, but for guns actually purchased, I started with a 1911-R1. It's a very good .45 out of box for the price point. I've put all kinds of factory and reload stuff through it and it carries on like a champ, reliable and accurate. Last month, I took a mighty plunge and managed to track down a SA Loaded M1A. I put a 1907 style sling on it and have nothing but good things to say thus far. The only bad part is that it's clearly a rifle that outclasses my shooting ability. No blaming the barrel for bad groups here. Must be bad ammo...ahem, heh heh...
PS. @KalashnikovMarine- I have a model 97. The legend is, Grandad found it in a creek bed in the forties after the war. So, no need to spend any money. Apparently they grow right up out of the dirt!
Jihadin wrote: Isn't black powder though a bit acidic on the weapon itself? Worst then then the dreaded rust? I never heard of it till I watched like the first episode of season one of Longmire where he mention it talking about a Spencer rifle.
Longmire's a TV show. Only if moisture gets into the powder in the weapon, then the potassium nitrate corrodes. Thats why cans of black powder dont rust from the inside. Its also why percusion cap pistols like Robert E Lees can be loaded for over 10 years, then fired seven years after his death and still work with no corrosion. I have a can of FFF black powder from 1968 that still works, and a buddy has a can of DuPont FF gunpowder from 1926 that is still good.
Interesting. I could have sworn I read somewhere that ammo had a shelf life of around four to six years.
Nope. I have .303s that are older than I am, which means they had to break the time continuum to actually make them before me.
I have a SPAS and a self-converted Saiga 12. That's a pretty interesting way to finally dive into the hobby...spend hundreds on your first gun purchase only to immediately to take a drill press and hammer to it, and swap out all the guts. Sounds a lot like the wargaming hobby, actually.
The MKA 1919 is next on my list, but I've displayed incredible will power the past couple years and have avoided going to gun shops/shows...mostly. If my dad ever decides to go to the Tulsa show again, I'm screwed. Oh, and for some reason I think I have to have a Baker rifle. Thanks, Sean Bean.
Nothing against Jihadin (respect!). It's just a peeve of mine because it's two different pieces of equipment. The nomenclature is a holdover from WWII as the GI's main weapon was an M1, that used clips to reload the rifle (as did the German Mauser and the Japanese Arisaka). Today's service rifles/pistols use magazines. I may get my 556 on clips, but it goes into a magazine before it goes into the rifle
Well as long as we're being technical, what you meant to say is that they tend to use detachable magazines. Guns like the M1 Garand have an internal or fixed magazine. Same as with your gun, the clip is just a device used to feed ammo into the magazine...which is the distinction that needs to be stressed in order to stop people from using the two interchangeably. I agree ,though...it drives me crazy.
Clip. Mag. Whatever. Doesn't really matter on the term to describe a 30 round magazine or use a 10 round clip with a speeder tool to load the mag. I only came once to expending my full basic load in a fire fight. If I did go "bingo" for ammo I can say "Pass me a clip" or Pass me a Mag" and everyone knows what I mean. Only time I'm concern with correct word usage in that nature is if I'm going to the Board or something
Jihadin wrote: Clip. Mag. Whatever. Doesn't really matter on the term to describe a 30 round magazine or use a 10 round clip with a speeder tool to load the mag. I only came once to expending my full basic load in a fire fight. If I did go "bingo" for ammo I can say "Pass me a clip" or Pass me a Mag" and everyone knows what I mean. Only time I'm concern with correct word usage in that nature is if I'm going to the Board or something
That would be a pretty good comedy skit. A guy goes "pass me a clip" and another guy actually stops in the middle of a firefight to argue with him.
Cadorius wrote: I have a SPAS and a self-converted Saiga 12. That's a pretty interesting way to finally dive into the hobby...spend hundreds on your first gun purchase only to immediately to take a drill press and hammer to it, and swap out all the guts. Sounds a lot like the wargaming hobby, actually.
The MKA 1919 is next on my list, but I've displayed incredible will power the past couple years and have avoided going to gun shops/shows...mostly. If my dad ever decides to go to the Tulsa show again, I'm screwed. Oh, and for some reason I think I have to have a Baker rifle. Thanks, Sean Bean.
Nothing against Jihadin (respect!). It's just a peeve of mine because it's two different pieces of equipment. The nomenclature is a holdover from WWII as the GI's main weapon was an M1, that used clips to reload the rifle (as did the German Mauser and the Japanese Arisaka). Today's service rifles/pistols use magazines. I may get my 556 on clips, but it goes into a magazine before it goes into the rifle
Well as long as we're being technical, what you meant to say is that they tend to use detachable magazines. Guns like the M1 Garand have an internal or fixed magazine. Same as with your gun, the clip is just a device used to feed ammo into the magazine...which is the distinction that needs to be stressed in order to stop people from using the two interchangeably. I agree ,though...it drives me crazy.
I just sold an MKA 1919 this weekend for around $699. Came with two magazines.
On Gunbroker, we currently have listed an Armalite AR-50A1, FN Scar 16s, Ruger 556, the new Sig Sauer PM400 pistol with SB15 brace.......
Just picked up an 80% billet lower, as well as waiting for a free float quad to come in for yet another AR project (AR-15, ya cant have "just one").
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Jihadin wrote: see a early Birthday present for myself before Nov
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Going to have to buy a bit of Mags and CLIPS to go with it to
I'd like to add an AR-15 carbine to my collection. My AR-10 is my hunting rifle, but the 15 would be my toy. The thing I'd put all the nice expensive "tactical" things on that scare the folks who are afraid of guns.
Trying to figure out what hand guns to get next year. I know I want a .45 ACP, but not sure for the wife yet. Still need to figure out which brand as well.
djones520 wrote: I'd like to add an AR-15 carbine to my collection. My AR-10 is my hunting rifle, but the 15 would be my toy. The thing I'd put all the nice expensive "tactical" things on that scare the folks who are afraid of guns.
Trying to figure out what hand guns to get next year. I know I want a .45 ACP, but not sure for the wife yet. Still need to figure out which brand as well.
I really like the Rock Island Armory 1911's. You get alot of gun for the $$, and a no question lifetime of the gun warranty.
First note, be careful with that punisher logo and the skull and cross bones, god forbid you ever have to use a weapon in self defense the press/prosecuting attorney would have a field day with that.
My personal firearms are a Gen4 glock 26, a 7mm mauser carbine, 1100 12g, 20ga side by side, and a few others.
Ryan_A wrote: First note, be careful with that punisher logo and the skull and cross bones, god forbid you ever have to use a weapon in self defense the press/prosecuting attorney would have a field day with that.
My personal firearms are a Gen4 glock 26, a 7mm mauser carbine, 1100 12g, 20ga side by side, and a few others.
I do use custom grip panels on my 1911. Not logo'd etc, but called "golf-ball dimple".
Also, in an EDC weapon, use factory ammo. Prosecutors have been known to argue that reloaded ammo used in a self defense situation was reloaded to make the ammunition "more lethal".
They've also argued Glock types with no safety and one in the chamber indicates that you're a rabid psychopath cop wannabee who is unsafe. This is despite the vast majority of police departments having Glock/S&W pistols...
Frazzled wrote: They've also argued Glock types with no safety and one in the chamber indicates that you're a rabid psychopath cop wannabee who is unsafe. This is despite the vast majority of police departments having Glock/S&W pistols...
Also, that many civies shoot way better than the police.....
Anyone who practices shoots better than your average cop. Thats ok. Thats only a small part of their duties and they shouldn't be experts, unless they just like shooting.
My boss just walked over to my desk about an hour ago and handed me 2 Brownells magazines for my .45. his words, "These are great for practice, but I wouldn't rely on them should the need ever arise..." and then as he left for lunch he said, "Remember, for practice... but if you have to kill a man, rely on something else."
Frazzled wrote: Anyone who practices shoots better than your average cop. Thats ok. Thats only a small part of their duties and they shouldn't be experts, unless they just like shooting.
Oh, exactly. But to hold them up as "experts" en masse (as the MSM is prone to do) is a disservice to the public. The public walks around ensconced in the belief that if trouble happens, the police are only a phone call and minutes away.
Frazzled wrote: Anyone who practices shoots better than your average cop. Thats ok. Thats only a small part of their duties and they shouldn't be experts, unless they just like shooting.
Oh, exactly. But to hold them up as "experts" en masse (as the MSM is prone to do) is a disservice to the public. The public walks around ensconced in the belief that if trouble happens, the police are only a phone call and minutes away.
so true, most cops will outshoot all the general public, but most cops will be out shot by any hobby shooter,
last I checked the average cope around here only got 300rnds to practice with each year, unless they provided their own, or were on a special task force like swat or something.
thats not even a single day of practice for me.
any they do not need to be crack shots, like you said, its a small part of their job, and normally they are not the first responders anyway, which is why its so important that citizens (who are normally the first responders) have acess to the tools/training in case they need it to protect someone
Frazzled wrote: Indeed. I'd much rather have a police officer fluent in verbal judo/conflict management, and techniques to spot crime occurring then shooting skills.
My problem is when you get who you get in any given situation and end up with this:
New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said all nine bystanders wounded in Friday's Empire State Building shooting had been hit with police gunfire, CNN reported Saturday morning.
According to Kelly, of the nine wounded, three suffered gunshot wounds and six were hit by fragments.
djones520 wrote: I'd like to add an AR-15 carbine to my collection. My AR-10 is my hunting rifle, but the 15 would be my toy. The thing I'd put all the nice expensive "tactical" things on that scare the folks who are afraid of guns.
Trying to figure out what hand guns to get next year. I know I want a .45 ACP, but not sure for the wife yet. Still need to figure out which brand as well.
I really like the Rock Island Armory 1911's. You get alot of gun for the $$, and a no question lifetime of the gun warranty.
As I stated pages ago, I have a RIA 1911 xt-22/45. Having a .22 conversion is nice, but the only .22 I have found that actually cycle the action is minimag, which is hard to find. For a straight .45, the thing runs for about half the cost than most of the big names.
I wouldn't EDC it, but for a range toy, it is really nice without breaking the budget. They also have great customer service.
Some decently priced 1911s:
*Springfield
*STI (Trojan I think, excellent)
*Ruger (relatively new)
*Remington (yes Remington, also relatively new))
*Rock Island (there's another Filipino one as well).
S&W, Colt, Kimber, Sig, are more expensive, then you get into the nosebleed area with Wilson, Les baer etc.
djones520 wrote: I'd like to add an AR-15 carbine to my collection. My AR-10 is my hunting rifle, but the 15 would be my toy. The thing I'd put all the nice expensive "tactical" things on that scare the folks who are afraid of guns.
Trying to figure out what hand guns to get next year. I know I want a .45 ACP, but not sure for the wife yet. Still need to figure out which brand as well.
I really like the Rock Island Armory 1911's. You get alot of gun for the $$, and a no question lifetime of the gun warranty.
As I stated pages ago, I have a RIA 1911 xt-22/45. Having a .22 conversion is nice, but the only .22 I have found that actually cycle the action is minimag, which is hard to find. For a straight .45, the thing runs for about half the cost than most of the big names.
I wouldn't EDC it, but for a range toy, it is really nice without breaking the budget. They also have great customer service.
I went with a Kimber target 22LR slide to use on my 1911 tactical, cycles fine but as with most conversions on the 1911 platform, does not lock back on last round. I wouldnt use a conversion gun by any make as an EDC either.
Some decently priced 1911s:
*Springfield
*STI (Trojan I think, excellent)
*Ruger (relatively new)
*Remington (yes Remington, also relatively new))
*Rock Island (there's another Filipino one as well).
S&W, Colt, Kimber, Sig, are more expensive, then you get into the nosebleed area with Wilson, Les baer etc.
Isn't there a Para Ordnance out there as well???
Para is famous for making double stack 1911s. Taurus now makes a 1911. Worth it? Ehh...but it's out there.
djones520 wrote: I'd like to add an AR-15 carbine to my collection. My AR-10 is my hunting rifle, but the 15 would be my toy. The thing I'd put all the nice expensive "tactical" things on that scare the folks who are afraid of guns.
Trying to figure out what hand guns to get next year. I know I want a .45 ACP, but not sure for the wife yet. Still need to figure out which brand as well.
I really like the Rock Island Armory 1911's. You get alot of gun for the $$, and a no question lifetime of the gun warranty.
As I stated pages ago, I have a RIA 1911 xt-22/45. Having a .22 conversion is nice, but the only .22 I have found that actually cycle the action is minimag, which is hard to find. For a straight .45, the thing runs for about half the cost than most of the big names.
I wouldn't EDC it, but for a range toy, it is really nice without breaking the budget. They also have great customer service.
I went with a Kimber target 22LR slide to use on my 1911 tactical, cycles fine but as with most conversions on the 1911 platform, does not lock back on last round. I wouldnt use a conversion gun by any make as an EDC either.
Now I may have too heavy of a recoil spring (if my thinking is right), but I can't get it to fully cycle with run of the mill .22. It gets most of the way but that is it.
Some decently priced 1911s:
*Springfield
*STI (Trojan I think, excellent)
*Ruger (relatively new)
*Remington (yes Remington, also relatively new))
*Rock Island (there's another Filipino one as well).
S&W, Colt, Kimber, Sig, are more expensive, then you get into the nosebleed area with Wilson, Les baer etc.
Isn't there a Para Ordnance out there as well???
Yup, Para has been around a while.
Im looking at maybe an STI Spartan when funds permit.
Ruger's are way overpriced right now because Ruger cant keep up with demand. I waited two years for one before giving up and going with the RIA. They started at an intro price of $650, and now go for over $800 if you can find them.
Some good websites on the 1911 platform are M1911.org and 1911forum.com Lot's of info and reviews, very helpful.
I want a 1911 but it would purely be a range toy. And with the cost of ammo at times I just can't see myself getting one anytime soon, especially when I already own two pistols.
Might get a little single action 22. Revolver though. They're pretty cheap. Just wish I could find ammo...
djones520 wrote: I'd like to add an AR-15 carbine to my collection. My AR-10 is my hunting rifle, but the 15 would be my toy. The thing I'd put all the nice expensive "tactical" things on that scare the folks who are afraid of guns.
Trying to figure out what hand guns to get next year. I know I want a .45 ACP, but not sure for the wife yet. Still need to figure out which brand as well.
I really like the Rock Island Armory 1911's. You get alot of gun for the $$, and a no question lifetime of the gun warranty.
As I stated pages ago, I have a RIA 1911 xt-22/45. Having a .22 conversion is nice, but the only .22 I have found that actually cycle the action is minimag, which is hard to find. For a straight .45, the thing runs for about half the cost than most of the big names.
I wouldn't EDC it, but for a range toy, it is really nice without breaking the budget. They also have great customer service.
I went with a Kimber target 22LR slide to use on my 1911 tactical, cycles fine but as with most conversions on the 1911 platform, does not lock back on last round. I wouldnt use a conversion gun by any make as an EDC either.
Now I may have too heavy of a recoil spring (if my thinking is right), but I can't get it to fully cycle with run of the mill .22. It gets most of the way but that is it.
You should give Arnel a call (Armscor/Rock Island head gunsmith). (775) 537-1444 Tell them your issues with the pistol, they should square you away.....
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Frazzled wrote: Is it me or is it almost better get a gut rate cheap 1911 for the frame, and just build everything up around it with competition items to taste?
Ive seen the $3k Kimber's and Colts go down at the range. As to a gut-rate cheap frame, Im not so sure. RIAs frames are cast 4140 Carbon Steel and their slides are forged 4140 Steel. I went with the 1911 Tactical because it came with most of the stuff I wanted on the pistol already (extended beaver tail, skeletonized trigger, skeletonized hammer, beveled magwell, Novak sights, ambi safety, polished ramp, lowered and flared ejection port. For about $420 OTD.
I replaced the God-awful grip panels ti came with some Springfield grips, then went with poly grips instead, and Ill get some Mepro sights installed eventually, but that's about it.
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MrMoustaffa wrote: I want a 1911 but it would purely be a range toy. And with the cost of ammo at times I just can't see myself getting one anytime soon, especially when I already own two pistols.
Might get a little single action 22. Revolver though. They're pretty cheap. Just wish I could find ammo...
To piggyback on what Spacemanvic said, most of those expensive 1911's are wayyyyy too tight. Buy a Kimber and it's a crapshoot on whether or not it's going to work out of the box. If you complain, they tell you to "break it in". Most of the cheaper (and looser) guns work just fine.
When it comes to 1911's, most expensive doesn't always mean more reliable.
djones520 wrote: I'd like to add an AR-15 carbine to my collection. My AR-10 is my hunting rifle, but the 15 would be my toy. The thing I'd put all the nice expensive "tactical" things on that scare the folks who are afraid of guns.
Trying to figure out what hand guns to get next year. I know I want a .45 ACP, but not sure for the wife yet. Still need to figure out which brand as well.
I really like the Rock Island Armory 1911's. You get alot of gun for the $$, and a no question lifetime of the gun warranty.
Yea Ive done a ton of research on their 1911 and the only thing to worry about is the spring is weak. So replace that and apparently they will shoot for thousands of rounds
MrMoustaffa wrote: Isn't reloading materials as rare as complete bullets right now?
I'd heard there were longer backorders for stuff like powder and primers than complete bullets
A bullet is just the projectile. What you mean is a round, or projectile or cartridge.
its coming in, little by little. The panic buyers are what screwed us. I can get .224 bullets, but they arent the grain or type I prefer. Primers were hard to get, not so recently. Powder is easier to get if you get the eight pound can.
The thing with reloaders, we hoard what we can, when we can. also doesnt hurt that I work at an LGS.
NuggzTheNinja wrote: To piggyback on what Spacemanvic said, most of those expensive 1911's are wayyyyy too tight. Buy a Kimber and it's a crapshoot on whether or not it's going to work out of the box. If you complain, they tell you to "break it in". Most of the cheaper (and looser) guns work just fine.
When it comes to 1911's, most expensive doesn't always mean more reliable.
Really depends on the manufacturer. Wilson, Baer, etc.? Expensive as hell, but worth it.
Kimber used to make decent guns before Cohen started working the "less quality, more absurd color options!" magic he's currently working at Sig.
djones520 wrote: Trying to figure out what hand guns to get next year. I know I want a .45 ACP, but not sure for the wife yet. Still need to figure out which brand as well.
Carry gun? If so, I'd personally go with a Glock, an M&P, or - the one I actually chose - an HK45C.
If you're just looking for a 1911 as a range toy, and don't want to break the bank, I'd recommend a Springfield Mil-Spec with an NM-prefixed serial number.
I'd bet that's a nightmare. Most. 22lr 1911 are finicky little gaks. If it's a .22lr you're looking at go with the Ruger SR22 ,those things are frigging rock solid and in the same price points.
KingCracker wrote: I'd bet that's a nightmare. Most. 22lr 1911 are finicky little gaks. If it's a .22lr you're looking at go with the Ruger SR22 ,those things are frigging rock solid and in the same price points.
^^^^^THIS^^^^^
Or a Ruger MKIII. My daughter has one, that thing is a tack driver.
NuggzTheNinja wrote: To piggyback on what Spacemanvic said, most of those expensive 1911's are wayyyyy too tight. Buy a Kimber and it's a crapshoot on whether or not it's going to work out of the box. If you complain, they tell you to "break it in". Most of the cheaper (and looser) guns work just fine.
When it comes to 1911's, most expensive doesn't always mean more reliable.
Really depends on the manufacturer. Wilson, Baer, etc.? Expensive as hell, but worth it.
Kimber used to make decent guns before Cohen started working the "less quality, more absurd color options!" magic he's currently working at Sig.
Agreed. I have an earlier Kimber. Its a freaking work of art. The new ones appear to have problems.
djones520 wrote: Trying to figure out what hand guns to get next year. I know I want a .45 ACP, but not sure for the wife yet. Still need to figure out which brand as well.
Carry gun? If so, I'd personally go with a Glock, an M&P, or - the one I actually chose - an HK45C.
If you're just looking for a 1911 as a range toy, and don't want to break the bank, I'd recommend a Springfield Mil-Spec with an NM-prefixed serial number.
Good points. I switched from a 1911 to a glock style after watching two guys in IDPA forget to take their safety off. I figured in a stress situation, I might too...
KingCracker wrote: I'd bet that's a nightmare. Most. 22lr 1911 are finicky little gaks. If it's a .22lr you're looking at go with the Ruger SR22 ,those things are frigging rock solid and in the same price points.
^^^^^THIS^^^^^
Or a Ruger MKIII. My daughter has one, that thing is a tack driver.
I was just assuming he wanted something that looks like a normal pistol, where as the MkIII is kindda strange looking But thats also a good option, my oldest brother bought a MkIII and its a joy to shoot. It makes an average shooter a good shot
Rock River's 1911s are literally the best purchase you can make for an entry level .45 my little girl hasn't hiccuped once and I'm putting steel case Russian down the pipe. Did a 500 round torture test with that stuff and that pistol didn't blink once.
If you want a 1911 in .22 your best bet is the Ruger MkIII with the 1911 style grips. Great training tool for about $300, and as mentioned it's a tack driver.
Or like Ive said, the SR22 is a great shooting pistol. Those things almost never fial, and IVe seen EVERYTHING shot through them, they dont seem to be finicky at all. Its in that $300-$400 range as well, you can even buy the threaded barrel version for suppressors and the like. They are great pistols, and dont look like a laser gun from the future (which is the only downfall to the MkIII IMO)
DJ you mention a piece for your wife. Reason why I'm going with a .40 cal. The grips fits her hands nicely. She wanted to go with a 9mm but changed her mind when I brought up that the only time I trusted my 9mm in combat was the Camel Spider that came out from under the rock that was looking to gnaw my leg off at the knee.
The other thing about the 9mm in combat. The insurgent packing a AK47/ So when in pistol range with that PoS 9mm and Hodji packing that AK47 I'm going to beat him to death with my M4 and take the Statement of Charges for breaking my M4
Jihadin wrote: DJ you mention a piece for your wife. Reason why I'm going with a .40 cal. The grips fits her hands nicely. She wanted to go with a 9mm but changed her mind when I brought up that the only time I trusted my 9mm in combat was the Camel Spider that came out from under the rock that was looking to gnaw my leg off at the knee.
The other thing about the 9mm in combat. The insurgent packing a AK47/ So when in pistol range with that PoS 9mm and Hodji packing that AK47 I'm going to beat him to death with my M4 and take the Statement of Charges for breaking my M4
Yeah, I'd never place a 9mm into the hands of anyone I loved, for personal protection. We're going to go through a variety of pieces. We'll head to a local range to see what fits best for her.
djones520 wrote: Yeah, I'd never place a 9mm into the hands of anyone I loved, for personal protection. We're going to go through a variety of pieces. We'll head to a local range to see what fits best for her.
Why, exactly? Unless you're limited to ball for some strange reason, 9's perfectly adequate in hollowpoint form. It sucks as a ball round, but then, so does pretty much every pistol cartridge.
The idea of putting 5-9 rounds into the Insurgent from a 9mm does not appeal to me. Mind you this is combat. If he is close enough to be using 9mm then:
1. Your within grenade range
2. Chances of getting Jacked the Hell up balloons
3. To much time spent on target to lose situational awareness for you in turn to get gun down to.
4. Its literally a knife fight but with loaded Battle Rifles
The time spent putting down the insurgent with a 9mm is the big draw back. What I can do with my M4 with three rounds even though its a 5.56mm round I know where my rounds hit. To me the 9mm is to time dependent and capable of throwing rounds around off target due to jarring from firing. That's my opinion and one I'm not going to test in combat. Go with what you know
I generally listen to Vickers, Haley, DeFoor, and Falla on the subject. 9mm ball sucks. 9mm hollowpoint doesn't have an appreciable performance difference from .40 hollowpoint except through auto glass, and even that's largely been wiped out with bonded hollowpoints.
djones520 wrote: Yeah, I'd never place a 9mm into the hands of anyone I loved, for personal protection. We're going to go through a variety of pieces. We'll head to a local range to see what fits best for her.
Why, exactly? Unless you're limited to ball for some strange reason, 9's perfectly adequate in hollowpoint form. It sucks as a ball round, but then, so does pretty much every pistol cartridge.
Indeed. Gold dots typically expand 70% and punch the FBI distance just fine. As I can put 4 down range as fast as your two, you might think about that.
You might check your 40s again, the difference is statistically insignificant with a 9mm.
Besides I killed a couch with one shot with a 9mm!
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Jihadin wrote: The idea of putting 5-9 rounds into the Insurgent from a 9mm does not appeal to me. Mind you this is combat. If he is close enough to be using 9mm then:
1. Your within grenade range
2. Chances of getting Jacked the Hell up balloons
3. To much time spent on target to lose situational awareness for you in turn to get gun down to.
4. Its literally a knife fight but with loaded Battle Rifles
The time spent putting down the insurgent with a 9mm is the big draw back. What I can do with my M4 with three rounds even though its a 5.56mm round I know where my rounds hit. To me the 9mm is to time dependent and capable of throwing rounds around off target due to jarring from firing. That's my opinion and one I'm not going to test in combat. Go with what you know
Most of the time, carrying an M4 into Starbucks is strictly gauche however. Into a barbeque joint, probably just fine.
I had a customer last weekend, a couple in their late 50's. She was looking for a carry pistol, her husband was getting her a S&W Model 60 (357/.38 Special) Ladysmith.
She never fired a gun in her life.
We explained it to the husband that she'd be better served with a weapon she would be comfortable and capable of using. We asked what did he start with, he said "22's". So I asked him was the 22 easy and accurate to shoot, he said yes. Then I asked him, did he like shooting it? Again yes. I asked him, would he like his wife to be comfortable and capable of shooting, and maybe even take up shooting with him giving him more range time? That cinched it.
We had her look at and purchase an SR22. We also told her, later down the road, if she wanted a higher caliber weapon, she could trade in the SR22 towards something else. Most times, people keep Rugers we warned her LOL.
Jihadin wrote: DJ you mention a piece for your wife. Reason why I'm going with a .40 cal. The grips fits her hands nicely. She wanted to go with a 9mm but changed her mind when I brought up that the only time I trusted my 9mm in combat was the Camel Spider that came out from under the rock that was looking to gnaw my leg off at the knee.
The other thing about the 9mm in combat. The insurgent packing a AK47/ So when in pistol range with that PoS 9mm and Hodji packing that AK47 I'm going to beat him to death with my M4 and take the Statement of Charges for breaking my M4
Yeah, I'd never place a 9mm into the hands of anyone I loved, for personal protection. We're going to go through a variety of pieces. We'll head to a local range to see what fits best for her.
Interestingly, Genghis Connie became bored with .22s within 15 minutes.
She shoots 9mm pistol now. She liked my .44 200 grain and 240 grain .44 specials but the S&W model 29 is still too heavy for her. She has to work on her upper body strength anyway for tennis and Vader one hand death chokes.
Add me to the pile of "why a .40?" My oldest brother carries a .40 for 2 years now and hates it. Its a VERY snappy round, he is changing up to a 9mm as soon as he can afford it. I wouldnt just toss his opinion into the trash either, hes a retired Marine, that was station in 4 different American Embassies around the world and was consulted to protect President Bush when he went to France.,...twice. He knows his gak when it comes to killing people
Also somewhere on Youtube is an ER doctor that explains what exactly the difference is between the different calibers and being shot by them. Basically, unless you hit something vital in the first go, IE the heart or head for example, you can just plug away on a baddie and they can continue on for a surprisingly long time
Jihadin - So Id tell your g/f to pick the 9mm, because she will be able to train effectively and quickly learn good follow up shots, which will be VERY tough shooting a .40cal. Seriously, that is a snappy round
KingCracker wrote: Add me to the pile of "why a .40?" My oldest brother carries a .40 for 2 years now and hates it. Its a VERY snappy round, he is changing up to a 9mm as soon as he can afford it. I wouldnt just toss his opinion into the trash either, hes a retired Marine, that was station in 4 different American Embassies around the world and was consulted to protect President Bush when he went to France.,...twice. He knows his gak when it comes to killing people Also somewhere on Youtube is an ER doctor that explains what exactly the difference is between the different calibers and being shot by them. Basically, unless you hit something vital in the first go, IE the heart or head for example, you can just plug away on a baddie and they can continue on for a surprisingly long time
KingCracker wrote: Add me to the pile of "why a .40?" My oldest brother carries a .40 for 2 years now and hates it. Its a VERY snappy round, he is changing up to a 9mm as soon as he can afford it. I wouldnt just toss his opinion into the trash either, hes a retired Marine, that was station in 4 different American Embassies around the world and was consulted to protect President Bush when he went to France.,...twice. He knows his gak when it comes to killing people Also somewhere on Youtube is an ER doctor that explains what exactly the difference is between the different calibers and being shot by them. Basically, unless you hit something vital in the first go, IE the heart or head for example, you can just plug away on a baddie and they can continue on for a surprisingly long time
Was it this video?
WARNING: VIDEO HAS GRAPHIC PICTURES.
Spoiler:
That is an excellent video, The doctor (anesthesiologist to be specific) was comparing handgun rounds to rifle rounds. Short story is shoot someone with a handgun they run away, shoot them with a rifle they die.
KingCracker wrote: Add me to the pile of "why a .40?" My oldest brother carries a .40 for 2 years now and hates it. Its a VERY snappy round, he is changing up to a 9mm as soon as he can afford it. I wouldnt just toss his opinion into the trash either, hes a retired Marine, that was station in 4 different American Embassies around the world and was consulted to protect President Bush when he went to France.,...twice. He knows his gak when it comes to killing people Also somewhere on Youtube is an ER doctor that explains what exactly the difference is between the different calibers and being shot by them. Basically, unless you hit something vital in the first go, IE the heart or head for example, you can just plug away on a baddie and they can continue on for a surprisingly long time
KingCracker wrote: Add me to the pile of "why a .40?" My oldest brother carries a .40 for 2 years now and hates it. Its a VERY snappy round, he is changing up to a 9mm as soon as he can afford it. I wouldnt just toss his opinion into the trash either, hes a retired Marine, that was station in 4 different American Embassies around the world and was consulted to protect President Bush when he went to France.,...twice. He knows his gak when it comes to killing people Also somewhere on Youtube is an ER doctor that explains what exactly the difference is between the different calibers and being shot by them. Basically, unless you hit something vital in the first go, IE the heart or head for example, you can just plug away on a baddie and they can continue on for a surprisingly long time
Was it this video?
WARNING: VIDEO HAS GRAPHIC PICTURES.
Spoiler:
That is an excellent video, The doctor (anesthesiologist to be specific) was comparing handgun rounds to rifle rounds. Short story is shoot someone with a handgun they run away, shoot them with a rifle they die.
What if you shoot them with a handgun and then beat them with a wiffle bat?
I have never had a problem with controlling or performing quick follow up shots with a .40S&W personally, great little round, I really miss my M&PC in 40S&W but it was liquidated to take advantage of the insane prices on guns earlier in the year. It was a seller's market and I made a significant profit.
KingCracker wrote: Add me to the pile of "why a .40?" My oldest brother carries a .40 for 2 years now and hates it. Its a VERY snappy round, he is changing up to a 9mm as soon as he can afford it. I wouldnt just toss his opinion into the trash either, hes a retired Marine, that was station in 4 different American Embassies around the world and was consulted to protect President Bush when he went to France.,...twice. He knows his gak when it comes to killing people Also somewhere on Youtube is an ER doctor that explains what exactly the difference is between the different calibers and being shot by them. Basically, unless you hit something vital in the first go, IE the heart or head for example, you can just plug away on a baddie and they can continue on for a surprisingly long time
Was it this video?
WARNING: VIDEO HAS GRAPHIC PICTURES.
Spoiler:
That is an excellent video, The doctor (anesthesiologist to be specific) was comparing handgun rounds to rifle rounds. Short story is shoot someone with a handgun they run away, shoot them with a rifle they die.
Yeah I learned a lot from it. It was a big influence when I chose the gun that would be my carry piece. Really showed just how important shot placement is over caliber choice, at least when it comes to pistols. Its also incredible just how much damage a rifle round can do.
a .45 will put em down, its just those measly lesser pistol cartridges that have that issue
only partially tounge in cheek, as I know riles will definetly outclass the pistol rounds,
but I have heard lots of stories from the war on how awesome the .45 was at putting people down, even when compared to the m1 carbine's, while the lugers needed A zone shot pacement to do the job right.
a .45 will put em down, its just those measly lesser pistol cartridges that have that issue
only partially tounge in cheek, as I know riles will definetly outclass the pistol rounds,
but I have heard lots of stories from the war on how awesome the .45 was at putting people down, even when compared to the m1 carbine's, while the lugers needed A zone shot pacement to do the job right.
War stories are always going to involve ball ammunition. Any handgun round in ball sucks. If I were limited to ball, however, I'd want a .45 as well, simply because it's marginally bigger.
When you start talking civilian ownership, however, you can start talking about hollowpoints, and the field gets leveled. I've taken classes run by Larry Vickers (20+ year Delta veteran), Kyle DeFoor (former SEAL), Travis Haley (former FORECON guy, and the sniper in the infamous Najaf Blackwater sniper video), and Jason Falla (former Aussie SAS type). All run 9mm guns as civilians. In fact, I'm pretty sure they all run Glock 19s, though Haley also did some shilling for the M&P for a while when he was working with Chris Costa.
The bottom line is, with any caliber of handgun, you need to hit the central nervous system if you want to incapacitate your target. All the "man stopper round" stuff is a myth. People will fall down from non-CNS .22 shots just as often as they will from non-CNS .45 shots, and it's largely due to a psychological "I've been shot, I should fall down," reaction than any physiological necessity. Handgun rounds are weak and slow. You will probably need to shoot more than once, if you ever need to shoot, so relying on the bullet to do more than it's capable of is always going to be a losing bet.
That said? Shoot whatever you're comfortable with, in whichever way you're comfortable with it. If .40S&W makes you more confident than 9mm, and you don't shoot it worse than 9mm, go nuts. I can shoot .40 well, but not as well as 9mm, so I go with 9mm.
while I agree with 99% of the above, those guys likely have used 9mm for a long time in their careers, so are used to it.
Id say whatever works best for you works best for you, and shot placement matters far more then caliber, and that while the .45 may be more powerful/damaging per shot, you get more shots with a 9mm, so situationally you would want one over the other.
that being said,
given EQUAL shot placement, the hole from a .45 will cause more damage then that of a 9mm, and is more likely to damage CNS at all, or will cause more substantial damage to the CNS, making it more likely to cause phsycal incapacitaion simply due to the larger wound cavity affecting more of the body.
It will go farther through most barriers like sand/windsheilds ect as well.
ahhh yess, the 9mm vs .45 debate rages on!
if I could carry more then 10 rnds in a 9mm (canadian law caps it at 10) I likely would consider it, but .45 is just such an easier round to shoot (for me at least, much less snappy, much less recoil then the 9mm too) plus shot ammo in it is actually really decent for fowling.... if they ever re-legalize handgun hunting here anyways.
easysauce wrote: while I agree with 99% of the above, those guys likely have used 9mm for a long time in their careers, so are used to it.
Id say whatever works best for you works best for you, and shot placement matters far more then caliber, and that while the .45 may be more powerful/damaging per shot, you get more shots with a 9mm, so situationally you would want one over the other.
that being said,
given EQUAL shot placement, the hole from a .45 will cause more damage then that of a 9mm, and is more likely to damage CNS at all, or will cause more substantial damage to the CNS, making it more likely to cause phsycal incapacitaion simply due to the larger wound cavity affecting more of the body.
It will go farther through most barriers like sand/windsheilds ect as well.
ahhh yess, the 9mm vs .45 debate rages on!
if I could carry more then 10 rnds in a 9mm (canadian law caps it at 10) I likely would consider it, but .45 is just such an easier round to shoot (for me at least, much less snappy, much less recoil then the 9mm too) plus shot ammo in it is actually really decent for fowling.... if they ever re-legalize handgun hunting here anyways.
You should try to move to Michigan. It's like Canada, just without all the silly rules!
That's why I carry a 1911 in .45 in the end. That sweet piece of steel and hatred for the enemies of the United States of America is basically an extension of my hand at this point. The balance, recoil sights, and trigger right out of the box were perfect. I'm still going to do some tuning here and there, add a match grade barrel, that kinda thing, but when it comes to putting violence on bad guys in defense of myself and others a Winchester Ranger .45 ACP hollow point delivered via a 100+ year handgun design is the way I damn well do it. Maybe combat tupperware works for some people. That's fine. Glad it works for them, my 1911 works for me.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: That's why I carry a 1911 in .45 in the end. That sweet piece of steel and hatred for the enemies of the United States of America is basically an extension of my hand at this point. The balance, recoil sights, and trigger right out of the box were perfect. I'm still going to do some tuning here and there, add a match grade barrel, that kinda thing, but when it comes to putting violence on bad guys in defense of myself and others a Winchester Ranger .45 ACP hollow point delivered via a 100+ year handgun design is the way I damn well do it. Maybe combat tupperware works for some people. That's fine. Glad it works for them, my 1911 works for me.
Agreed....
I also dip all my rounds in the blood of pigs, just to further ensure the execution of the Bad Guys' souls
easysauce wrote: while I agree with 99% of the above, those guys likely have used 9mm for a long time in their careers, so are used to it.
Id say whatever works best for you works best for you, and shot placement matters far more then caliber, and that while the .45 may be more powerful/damaging per shot, you get more shots with a 9mm, so situationally you would want one over the other.
that being said,
given EQUAL shot placement, the hole from a .45 will cause more damage then that of a 9mm, and is more likely to damage CNS at all, or will cause more substantial damage to the CNS, making it more likely to cause phsycal incapacitaion simply due to the larger wound cavity affecting more of the body.
It will go farther through most barriers like sand/windsheilds ect as well.
ahhh yess, the 9mm vs .45 debate rages on!
if I could carry more then 10 rnds in a 9mm (canadian law caps it at 10) I likely would consider it, but .45 is just such an easier round to shoot (for me at least, much less snappy, much less recoil then the 9mm too) plus shot ammo in it is actually really decent for fowling.... if they ever re-legalize handgun hunting here anyways.
You should try to move to Michigan. It's like Canada, just without all the silly rules!
lol, I cant bring all my norinco stuff across the border, sorry
i forget exactly, but its either the ATF or some other agency that has banned all the chi com stuff from import, I knwo you used to be able to buy norinco stuff in the USA< but now it is illegal to import it.
i forget exactly, but its either the ATF or some other agency that has banned all the chi com stuff from import, I knwo you used to be able to buy norinco stuff in the USA< but now it is illegal to import it.
Import it for distribution, yes. But you own it already. I wasn't being serious about saying you should immigrate to the US, but if you were considering it, that is something I'd check on, cause it doesn't make sense to me to penalyze a private citizen, when the law was put in to hurt the company.
i forget exactly, but its either the ATF or some other agency that has banned all the chi com stuff from import, I knwo you used to be able to buy norinco stuff in the USA< but now it is illegal to import it.
Import it for distribution, yes. But you own it already. I wasn't being serious about saying you should immigrate to the US, but if you were considering it, that is something I'd check on, cause it doesn't make sense to me to penalyze a private citizen, when the law was put in to hurt the company.
I was interested in doing some on the US's 3 gun competitions, IIRC, Im not allowed to bring in any of my norc stuff, not only cause its norinco, but its also 14.5".. so SBR + non US citizen = really hard to do apparently.
I think that technically there is some route that involves a ton of paper work and a bunch of fees, but everyone I know from here who goes to the us competitions tells me its a million times easier/cheaper to just grab a 16"+ rifle, non norinco, and go from there.
Machine guns are illegal in the U.S. for most people, but one small company has found a way around that.
Slide Fire, based in Moran, Texas, plans to sell a semiautomatic rifle that mimics the rapid fire of a machine gun and is also fed bullets from a belt, which provides a huge capacity for ammunition -- potentially thousands of rounds.
Brandon Renner, sales and marketing manager for Slide Fire, says the belt-fed rifle, called the SFS BFR, will be available this fall and sell for $6,000.
"It sprays like a fire hose," said Renner. "We recommend no more than 30 rounds on the belt, but one person could make it as big as they want."
Can that be legal?
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives says yes, since it's still technically a semiautomatic.
Related: Smith & Wesson shares dip as gun 'frenzy' wanes
The key is that of the pieces that make up a gun, the ATF regulates only the "receiver." It's the only piece that has a serial number and the only one that requires a background check to purchase. Slide Fire modifies the trigger and the stock -- the butt of the gun that sits against the shooter's shoulder.
Slide Fire's technology uses the recoil of the rifle shot to "bump" the gun, speeding up the rate of fire without changing the gun's classification as a semiautomatic, which requires that only one round is fired each time the trigger is pulled.
In a 2010 letter posted on Slide Fire's website, the ATF wrote: "We find that the 'bump-stock' is a firearm part and is not regulated as firearm under the Gun Control Act or the National Firearms act."
"I can confirm that ATF did approve the device referenced in the letter and that the Slide Fire is legal," said ATF spokesman Christopher Amon.
Slide Fire already sells bump-stocks for $370 that speed up the rate of fire for semiautomatics. The company also sells semiautomatic rifles that have already been accessorized for bump-fire, costing between $1,150 to $1,950. But these guns use magazines, not belts, and thus have limited ammo capacity.
Related: $27,500 rifle hits targets at 1,000 targets
A spokeswoman for Wal-Mart (WMT, Fortune 500), one of the largest gun sellers in America, said the company does not sell Slide Fire products, and will not be offering the belt-fed rifle.
Another major dealer, Cabela's (CAB), did not return messages from CNNMoney about Slide Fire. But the company's website listed Slide Fire products for sale.
James Hill, owner of the Abilene Indoor Gun Range, located about 50 miles away from Slide Fire's headquarters, said he sells the company's bump-fire accessories and they're quite popular with his customers.
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But Hill, who referred to the Slide Fire products as "a poor man's machine gun," doesn't plan to sell the belt-fed gun, because he doesn't believe there will be much of a demand for it.
He said the Slide Fire rifle is a bit more challenging to fire than a fully automatic weapon, but the "learning curve" can be corrected with a bit of practice.
"It's not as easy [as full auto], but it's fairly idiot proof," he said. To top of page
you can bump fire without those "slide fire" stocks, thumb+ belt loop= simulated full auto
slide fire stocks are already banned in canada, and we have not had the ability to purchase full autos for about 20 years give or take (not that there has EVER been a single crime commited in canada with a legal full auto, they were all registered since the early 1900's as well.)
not surprisingly, all the gangbangers still use their illegal black market tech nines and so on, apparently they didnt get the memo that they are not allowed to have such things....
Not something I'm familiar with nor "comfy" firing. I think the first incident with the weapon going to involve someone "cooking" a round off in the chamber with alcohol involved.
I dont believe in letting people know what I have unless im tryin to get rid of it. But yes I enjoy rec shooting and after 5 years in the USMC I enjoy it more. My favorit caliber to shoot is any 45.
djones520 wrote: Sounds interesting, expensive, and something that'll probably soon be regulated.
Isn't that like the bump stocks that have been available for years?
Pretty much yes.
And gak....6 grand? Why not...I dunno, go through the proper channels and get a REAL full auto rifle? Nothing simulated about that
The real ones start around $16,000, are over 20 years old, require a 9 month wait and a $200 mother may I tax stamp as well as the occasional visit from the ATF.
Sig Sauer came out with a really neat AR pistol/brace combo. The barrel is only 10.5" long, and the brace really shoulders well. Oh, and you DONT have to get an ATF SBR approval either, it's a pistol. 6" may not sound like alot, but clearing a door frame in a car or close quarters, night and day difference compared to a 16" carbine.
We had four of them, sold within 7 hours. We also carry the AR and AK variant of the slide-fire. It actually works really well. I dont like it because it costs $$ to feed the things, and our local ranges do not allow FA or rapid firing. There is plenty of farm land to shoot on though. Also, they are coming out with a slide fire for the 10/22 which should be a HOT seller. I definitely will be getting one of those LOL.
I don't like shooting very much. When you have to go to a range every year and shoot for score with a rifle that you aren't intimately familiar with, it becomes more of a chore.
I especially hate AR15s. I can't see why anyone would want one, besides loser wannabees and other military imposters.
Captain Fantastic wrote: I don't like shooting very much. When you have to go to a range every year and shoot for score with a rifle that you aren't intimately familiar with, it becomes more of a chore.
I especially hate AR15s. I can't see why anyone would want one, besides loser wannabees and other military imposters.
AR15s are great as range toys, but I can understand the sentiment of not wanting one in the military. Most of the ex military I know hate them.
Captain Fantastic wrote: I don't like shooting very much. When you have to go to a range every year and shoot for score with a rifle that you aren't intimately familiar with, it becomes more of a chore.
I especially hate AR15s. I can't see why anyone would want one, besides loser wannabees and other military imposters.
lol really? is this a joke or is it just a troll comment?
all the militaries, and all the civies, own em because they are accurate, modular, can be done in ANY caliber, cheap, and reliable...
if you only go once a year, you will never be "intimately" familiar with a rifle... and personally I have a blast using new to me rifles for the first time.
the comradere of shooters is actually my favorite part of the sport, they always let me try out their guns, often eating the ammo cost with a smile and a handshake (OFC I spot people ammo as well),
first time I shot lever action, black powder, bench guns, even my first 1911 was all on the charity of strangers, and they were all loads of fun to shoot!
Captain Fantastic wrote: I don't like shooting very much. When you have to go to a range every year and shoot for score with a rifle that you aren't intimately familiar with, it becomes more of a chore.
I especially hate AR15s. I can't see why anyone would want one, besides loser wannabees and other military imposters.
AR15s are great as range toys, but I can understand the sentiment of not wanting one in the military. Most of the ex military I know hate them.
most ex mil guys I know use AR's and love em, if its not an AR, they use a tavor or Cz 858(similar to AK)
most guys I know who dont like AR's dont like em because they got a bad one, or had a beater on in the forces that wasnt maintained properly or had a shot out barrel
really though, any semi that accurate, reliable, and takes statnag mags is just fine, I personally like AR's, CZ's, tavors, garands, m1's, sks's, lee enfeilds, 770's, and so on... they are all good in my books
Captain Fantastic wrote: I don't like shooting very much. When you have to go to a range every year and shoot for score with a rifle that you aren't intimately familiar with, it becomes more of a chore.
I especially hate AR15s. I can't see why anyone would want one, besides loser wannabees and other military imposters.
Different tools for different jobs. Yes, it is easier, especially from a legal point of view to have one registered lower, and two or three different uppers to chose from, but there's no getting away from the inherent flaws in the AR15 design, and the bulkiness of the whole package in general. The immovable buffer spring housing is the first thing that comes to mind. If I wanted to shoot a .308, I wouldn't want it to be semi-automatic, or so heavy, since I'd want to save weight on the ammunition. If I wanted something smaller, I wouldn't want such a long barrel (even a minimum of 14 would be too long, personally), or a large magazine well, or a fixed stock. If you honestly care about those trendy intermediate cartridges that are floating around, then I guess AR platforms are your only options, since no one bothers making original designs for anything anymore.
Just because they're in the military doesn't mean they know anything about weapons. They go along with the politically charged trends like every other 2nd Amendment freedom fighter, blindly falling into stupid gimmicky crap like quad rails and magpul. The most your average Lance Corporal knows about his weapon is how to take the bolt apart and shove copious amounts of cotton swabs in the buffer tube.
Spacemanvic wrote: Sig Sauer came out with a really neat AR pistol/brace combo. The barrel is only 10.5" long, and the brace really shoulders well. Oh, and you DONT have to get an ATF SBR approval either, it's a pistol. 6" may not sound like alot, but clearing a door frame in a car or close quarters, night and day difference compared to a 16" carbine.
How is that a pistol and not a SBR? Is it the absence of a stock that makes the difference?
Spacemanvic wrote: Sig Sauer came out with a really neat AR pistol/brace combo. The barrel is only 10.5" long, and the brace really shoulders well. Oh, and you DONT have to get an ATF SBR approval either, it's a pistol. 6" may not sound like alot, but clearing a door frame in a car or close quarters, night and day difference compared to a 16" carbine.
How is that a pistol and not a SBR? Is it the absence of a stock that makes the difference?
Pretty much. The intent of the SB15 brace is for people who are unable to hold the firearm in the traditional sense (Americans with Disability). It was designed by a vet for that purpose.
However, having fired and seen people firing an AR pistol, just about everyone shoulders the buffer tube. This brace is made of flexible material, but it shoulders very well, especially in a close quarter situation. Each comes with a copy of a letter from the ATF that states the weapon is a pistol with a brace and not an SBR. We've told people to make a copy of the letter and keep it in the pistol grip of the pistol. It also comes with a standard foam cover for the buffer tube.
Different tools for different jobs. Yes, it is easier, especially from a legal point of view to have one registered lower, and two or three different uppers to chose from, but there's no getting away from the inherent flaws in the AR15 design, and the bulkiness of the whole package in general. The immovable buffer spring housing is the first thing that comes to mind. If I wanted to shoot a .308, I wouldn't want it to be semi-automatic, or so heavy, since I'd want to save weight on the ammunition. If I wanted something smaller, I wouldn't want such a long barrel (even a minimum of 14 would be too long, personally), or a large magazine well, or a fixed stock. If you honestly care about those trendy intermediate cartridges that are floating around, then I guess AR platforms are your only options, since no one bothers making original designs for anything anymore.
Just because they're in the military doesn't mean they know anything about weapons. They go along with the politically charged trends like every other 2nd Amendment freedom fighter, blindly falling into stupid gimmicky crap like quad rails and magpul. The most your average Lance Corporal knows about his weapon is how to take the bolt apart and shove copious amounts of cotton swabs in the buffer tube.
So do you have issue with 80% non registered lowers? I own a few of those as well.
Also run a piston AR, BAM, buffer tube problem solved......
Different tools for different jobs. Yes, it is easier, especially from a legal point of view to have one registered lower, and two or three different uppers to chose from, but there's no getting away from the inherent flaws in the AR15 design, and the bulkiness of the whole package in general. The immovable buffer spring housing is the first thing that comes to mind. If I wanted to shoot a .308, I wouldn't want it to be semi-automatic, or so heavy, since I'd want to save weight on the ammunition. If I wanted something smaller, I wouldn't want such a long barrel (even a minimum of 14 would be too long, personally), or a large magazine well, or a fixed stock. If you honestly care about those trendy intermediate cartridges that are floating around, then I guess AR platforms are your only options, since no one bothers making original designs for anything anymore.
Just because they're in the military doesn't mean they know anything about weapons. They go along with the politically charged trends like every other 2nd Amendment freedom fighter, blindly falling into stupid gimmicky crap like quad rails and magpul. The most your average Lance Corporal knows about his weapon is how to take the bolt apart and shove copious amounts of cotton swabs in the buffer tube.
LOL really? did you just complain about the "fixed" stock on an ar-15.... you know those have been collapsable for years now right... and that buffer tube was a big advance in recoil mitigation...
the larger box mag, selective fire, the weight of the gun + ammo used were actually vast improvements over the previous rifle used by the military.
"trendy" intermediate cartridges? like the 5.56 and 7.62? really?
trendy?
you mean, used by everyone right?
if you mean silly things like .300 blackout or whisper or those stupid wild cat cartridges, then yeah, Id say they are a waste of $ for something thats no better then a 7.63. No one really uses them, outside of internet discussions its incredably rare to see someone use it or mention them.
the ar-15 being one of the first, and most innovative rifles designed with CNC tech in mind, they do everything well... yes some guns specialize better in some things (like .308, you likely want a bolt action for long distance hunting) but even spec op teams that literally can choose from any weapon on the planet, choose m4's the vast majority of the time, these guys are not top brass, they know what they need in the feild.
heck, I agree with you on all the magpull quad rail- barbie doll rifles people make, I shoot my ar with irons, and nothing else tacked on, because none of that stuff really adds anything. I also have owned or shot inumerable other rifles, and the only ones that come close are CZ 858'z, vz 58s, ak's, ACR, SCAR's, and the tavor.
at the end of the day, an accurate semi that takes box mags and has modular capability is all you need, and all of the above provide that... AR's are just one of the cheaper, and more common options (ie cheaper parts)
but its like you just said civics are crappy cars... while they may not do the job of a race car as good as a race car does, they do a lot of jobs quite well, and their popularity is due to how awesome they are, not because everyone is a fast and furious wannabe.
MrMoustaffa wrote: Wonder how long it will be till the ATF tries to ban that.
I'm really surprised they haven't banned slide fire stocks yet.
Cat's outta the bag at this point on the SB15 brace. They cant ban the AR pistol as it is a pistol already. Remove the brace, slip on the foam cover and voila, standard pistol.
Different tools for different jobs. Yes, it is easier, especially from a legal point of view to have one registered lower, and two or three different uppers to chose from, but there's no getting away from the inherent flaws in the AR15 design, and the bulkiness of the whole package in general. The immovable buffer spring housing is the first thing that comes to mind. If I wanted to shoot a .308, I wouldn't want it to be semi-automatic, or so heavy, since I'd want to save weight on the ammunition. If I wanted something smaller, I wouldn't want such a long barrel (even a minimum of 14 would be too long, personally), or a large magazine well, or a fixed stock. If you honestly care about those trendy intermediate cartridges that are floating around, then I guess AR platforms are your only options, since no one bothers making original designs for anything anymore.
Just because they're in the military doesn't mean they know anything about weapons. They go along with the politically charged trends like every other 2nd Amendment freedom fighter, blindly falling into stupid gimmicky crap like quad rails and magpul. The most your average Lance Corporal knows about his weapon is how to take the bolt apart and shove copious amounts of cotton swabs in the buffer tube.
LOL really? did you just complain about the "fixed" stock on an ar-15.... you know those have been collapsable for years now right... and that buffer tube was a big advance in recoil mitigation...
the larger box mag, selective fire, the weight of the gun + ammo used were actually vast improvements over the previous rifle used by the military.
"trendy" intermediate cartridges? like the 5.56 and 7.62? really?
trendy?
you mean, used by everyone right?
if you mean silly things like .300 blackout or whisper or those stupid wild cat cartridges, then yeah, Id say they are a waste of $ for something thats no better then a 7.63. No one really uses them, outside of internet discussions its incredably rare to see someone use it or mention them.
the ar-15 being one of the first, and most innovative rifles designed with CNC tech in mind, they do everything well... yes some guns specialize better in some things (like .308, you likely want a bolt action for long distance hunting) but even spec op teams that literally can choose from any weapon on the planet, choose m4's the vast majority of the time, these guys are not top brass, they know what they need in the feild.
heck, I agree with you on all the magpull quad rail- barbie doll rifles people make, I shoot my ar with irons, and nothing else tacked on, because none of that stuff really adds anything. I also have owned or shot inumerable other rifles, and the only ones that come close are CZ 858'z, vz 58s, ak's, ACR, SCAR's, and the tavor.
at the end of the day, an accurate semi that takes box mags and has modular capability is all you need, and all of the above provide that... AR's are just one of the cheaper, and more common options (ie cheaper parts)
but its like you just said civics are crappy cars... while they may not do the job of a race car as good as a race car does, they do a lot of jobs quite well, and their popularity is due to how awesome they are, not because everyone is a fast and furious wannabe.
I went with a free float on my AR. Takes next to no pressure to throw off a barrel. I also run a red dot on mine co-witnessed to irons. Target acquisition is faster with the red dot.
yeah, thats why i like holding it from the magwell, built in free float pretty much.
although I dont notice much difference within 400m with my FF barrels vs my standard one (past that is a much different story)
never understood how the USA can get so worked up about SBR's, while here in canuckistan, you can buy a 7.5 the same way you buy a 16"+ ar...
(althought to get ar's here you need TWO gun licenses, courses, and associated fees, in a process that can take 3-6 months, and requires 5 referances, spousal approval, daily background checks after passing inital background checks, and an RCMP inteview, and a special permit to transport it from your house to the range, and even then, you cant take your AR into the bush.)
LOL really? did you just complain about the "fixed" stock on an ar-15.... you know those have been collapsable for years now right... and that buffer tube was a big advance in recoil mitigation...
No, but that buffer tube, whether it's a carbine tube or not is still fixed in place. It doesn't fold, and it can't be removed without serious modification.
the larger box mag, selective fire, the weight of the gun + ammo used were actually vast improvements over the previous rifle used by the military.
Sorry? Box Mags are a civilian concept. Why do you need so much ammunition at one time anyway? To hunt? AR15s are not Select fire. The weight of an M4gery is obvious substantially less, since it has six inches of barrel missing and a shorter buffer assembly
"trendy" intermediate cartridges? like the 5.56 and 7.62? really?
trendy?
you mean, used by everyone right?
if you mean silly things like .300 blackout or whisper or those stupid wild cat cartridges, then yeah, Id say they are a waste of $ for something thats no better then a 7.63. No one really uses them, outside of internet discussions its incredably rare to see someone use it or mention them.
Yes, like those.
the ar-15 being one of the first, and most innovative rifles designed with CNC tech in mind, they do everything well... yes some guns specialize better in some things (like .308, you likely want a bolt action for long distance hunting) but even spec op teams that literally can choose from any weapon on the planet, choose m4's the vast majority of the time, these guys are not top brass, they know what they need in the feild.
It was innovative 50 years ago. I'm not debating its usefulness as a Military weapon. It's fine. As a civilian weapon, it doesn't make much sense besides the fact that it's "technically" multi caliber.
heck, I agree with you on all the magpull quad rail- barbie doll rifles people make, I shoot my ar with irons, and nothing else tacked on, because none of that stuff really adds anything. I also have owned or shot inumerable other rifles, and the only ones that come close are CZ 858'z, vz 58s, ak's, ACR, SCAR's, and the tavor.
at the end of the day, an accurate semi that takes box mags and has modular capability is all you need, and all of the above provide that... AR's are just one of the cheaper, and more common options (ie cheaper parts)
but its like you just said civics are crappy cars... while they may not do the job of a race car as good as a race car does, they do a lot of jobs quite well, and their popularity is due to how awesome they are, not because everyone is a fast and furious wannabe.
The problem here seems to be realism. What do you actually need this rifle for? Do you need to kill people, or do you just want to shoot paper and cans all day? Are you going to be rushing from cover to cover for hours a day, getting out of a helicopter and providing cover for a medivac, or doing something else that requires a tough as nails, low maintenance weapon? Probably not. The AR15 is fine, but if you just want to shoot cans with .223 (which is a bad round for just about anything besides killing people), there are a few options.
Cue flashbacks to MCRD, carrying that cursed black rifle everywhere at port arms, tenderly caring for and fawning over that weapon, like it were an extension of my body. Sleeping with that cold, sharp weapon in my sleeping sack, and waking up to a muzzle brake instead of a woman...Crawling under barbed wire and using that poor rifle to keep the wire out of my face and filling every nook and cranny of it with sand and water... I have a tragic relationship with firearms.
easysauce wrote: yeah, thats why i like holding it from the magwell, built in free float pretty much.
although I dont notice much difference within 400m with my FF barrels vs my standard one (past that is a much different story)
never understood how the USA can get so worked up about SBR's, while here in canuckistan, you can buy a 7.5 the same way you buy a 16"+ ar...
(althought to get ar's here you need TWO gun licenses, courses, and associated fees, in a process that can take 3-6 months, and requires 5 referances, spousal approval, daily background checks after passing inital background checks, and an RCMP inteview, and a special permit to transport it from your house to the range, and even then, you cant take your AR into the bush.)
Nah, Ive seen ruptures at the mag well, would not want my hand anywhere near there or the magazine just in case.
I cant understand how we get so worked up over cans in the US. Elsewhere, it's practically stocked in hardware stores. Here, requires an ATF stamp and a long wait.
Tonight, should be picking up my daughters Browning BL22 from my second job.
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Captain Fantastic wrote: The problem here seems to be realism. What do you actually need this rifle for? Do you need to kill people, or do you just want to shoot paper and cans all day? Are you going to be rushing from cover to cover for hours a day, getting out of a helicopter and providing cover for a medivac, or doing something else that requires a tough as nails, low maintenance weapon? Probably not. The AR15 is fine, but if you just want to shoot cans with .223 (which is a bad round for just about anything besides killing people), there are a few options.
Cue flashbacks to MCRD, carrying that cursed black rifle everywhere at port arms, tenderly caring for and fawning over that weapon, like it were an extension of my body. Sleeping with that cold, sharp weapon in my sleeping sack, and waking up to a muzzle brake instead of a woman...Crawling under barbed wire and using that poor rifle to keep the wire out of my face and filling every nook and cranny of it with sand and water... I have a tragic relationship with firearms.
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The inherent problem is your inability to grasp the intent of 2A. "Need" is not a factor. Also, the AR in 223/556 is a great HD weapon.
box fed semi autos, ar-15s, CZs, whatever, are basically the same... why you seem to have an issue with a civilian owning a ar-15, but not say a different semi auto in .223 is beyond me.
also, 223(5.56) is great for coyotes/small-mid game and semi auto is needed for faster follow up shots in case you miss, or need to put the animal out of its misery.
there is literally, no difference between a AR-15 semi auto in .223 and a ruger-mini 14 semi auto in .223, yet you would never balk at the ruger. both will kill animals just fine, or serve as defensive guns, both will shoot targets just fine... not sure why you are so bent out of shape over this particulare semi auto .223 in a world full of similar designs.
maintanence wise, I can dissasemble the whole thing with no tools, and clean it with a rag every 1000 rounds or so, and i have 0 issues...
and 5.56 isnt going to kill anymore or less then any other intermediate round... you like the .308... well that round will do more dmg to a person/animal/thing then the .223
realism?
The problem here seems to be realism. What do you actually need this rifle for? Do you need to kill people, or do you just want to shoot paper and cans all day? Are you going to be rushing from cover to cover for hours a day, getting out of a helicopter and providing cover for a medivac, or doing something else that requires a tough as nails, low maintenance weapon? Probably not. The AR15 is fine, but if you just want to shoot cans with .223 (which is a bad round for just about anything besides killing people), there are a few options.
really?
so i should go for high maintenace, unreliable, innaccurate guns instead?
that just sounds unsafe.
and FYI, dragging a gun through the bush hunting will get just as much mud/dirt in is as a soildier on patrol or whatever would...
if it makes you feel "safer" I only get 5 rounds in my mags up here, however crooks still have their illegally obtained full autos with 30rnd plus mags however.
Id rather have a low maint, high accuracy, reliable gun that works for target shooting/small game (or large with cal change)/ and self defence.
From a non-Second Amendment perspective people like 5.56/.223 because:
*Despite the Obama Bullet Bubble II, these are cheap bullets.
*They are accurate.
*They can be used for a variety of game up to deer.
Why the AR-15 / M4
*Like 40K a strength is its ability to customize it to your personal satisfaction.
*Accurate. No its not a Remington 700, but its accurate for an autoloader. Some versions are exceedingly (sub MOA) accurate.
*It don't kick for nothing. This matters for a variety of shooters including da wimminz
*tacticool. Ok there is a lot of that.
*Multipurpose: fun range plinking/home offense/hunting.
Note I do not have an AR 15 clone, nor intend to have one.
Cue flashbacks to MCRD, carrying that cursed black rifle everywhere at port arms, tenderly caring for and fawning over that weapon, like it were an extension of my body. Sleeping with that cold, sharp weapon in my sleeping sack, and waking up to a muzzle brake instead of a woman...Crawling under barbed wire and using that poor rifle to keep the wire out of my face and filling every nook and cranny of it with sand and water... I have a tragic relationship with firearms.
I don't blame you for being a wimp, I blame your Drill Instructors for not beating this strain of weakness out of you properly. Wah. Lady of the Folkvangr protect me if I had a private like you in my unit I'd kill myself to protect my own honor from contamination. "Oooh it's sharp and cold" oh please, if you can't snuggle up to an M16 service rifle you have no place snuggling up to a woman, or a man if that's your fancy, and cold as rifle steel might be it's still no where near as cold as a woman's feet.
Otherwise see Frazz's post. ARs are pretty awesome.
Cue flashbacks to MCRD, carrying that cursed black rifle everywhere at port arms, tenderly caring for and fawning over that weapon, like it were an extension of my body. Sleeping with that cold, sharp weapon in my sleeping sack, and waking up to a muzzle brake instead of a woman...Crawling under barbed wire and using that poor rifle to keep the wire out of my face and filling every nook and cranny of it with sand and water... I have a tragic relationship with firearms.
I don't blame you for being a wimp, I blame your Drill Instructors for not beating this strain of weakness out of you properly. Wah. Lady of the Folkvangr protect me if I had a private like you in my unit I'd kill myself to protect my own honor from contamination. "Oooh it's sharp and cold" oh please, if you can't snuggle up to an M16 service rifle you have no place snuggling up to a woman, or a man if that's your fancy, and cold as rifle steel might be it's still no where near as cold as a woman's feet.
Otherwise see Frazz's post. ARs are pretty awesome.
The bold part is what makes me think "Fantastic" is fantasizing. Maybe it's the melodramatic prose.
+1 on the awesomeness that is the AR
So I'm moving to Texas in March, and I'm going to need a few guns.
Items I want:
Bolt action "sniper" rifle. Something with decent range, mostly for relaxed shooting, not hunting at all(I like sleeping in more than wanting to hunt).
The fun gun. Something flashy like a custom AR or MP5, brands and style recommendations wanted.
Handgun. I tried a 1911 a few months back, and feel that I need to bulk up before handling one again as it kicks much more than a 9mm(from what I remember of a 9mm). Something practical for this one.
Aerethan wrote: So I'm moving to Texas in March, and I'm going to need a few guns.
Items I want:
Bolt action "sniper" rifle. Something with decent range, mostly for relaxed shooting, not hunting at all(I like sleeping in more than wanting to hunt).
The fun gun. Something flashy like a custom AR or MP5, brands and style recommendations wanted.
Handgun. I tried a 1911 a few months back, and feel that I need to bulk up before handling one again as it kicks much more than a 9mm(from what I remember of a 9mm). Something practical for this one.
halp?
First, lets work on the nomenclature.
Bolt action rifle. No one refers to "sniper" unless they get paid for being one or they want to draw attention to themselves LOL.
Anyway, a Savage Model 12 in 243 Winchester would be a great choice for a long range rifle. Would also be good for deer if you ever get up early enough LOL.
For a fun gun, you cant go wrong with a Ruger 10/22 and just kit the snot out of it. Wont break the bank, can look as slick as you want it to, is alot of fun and doesnt cost alot of $$ and is a great Made in the US quality piece. Also, once the ammo shortage is over, 22LR is pretty inexpensive to shoot.
Here is the 10/22 stock:
Here it is in a conversion kit (Archangel HK Marauder G36):
Nordic designs conversion kit:
Tommy gun conversion kit:
M1 carbine conversion kit
Gattling gun conversion kit:
Was it a polymer 1911? 45 ACP out of a full size steel 1911 is soft shooting, less snap than a 9MM. If you intend to CCW, then maybe a 1911 in Commander size. Remember, usually the smaller the pistol the more the snap.
Apologies for the crap wording. When I say "sniper" I just mean a bolt action with a scope meant for long range shooting, and having never owned a gun I'm not up on the proper terminology.
I honestly couldn't tell you what kind of 1911 it was, it was a rental range in Vegas months ago. I suppose for that particular item I'll have to arrange to test out a few different models to find one that I like.
I do plan on getting a CCW license, so for that I'd definitely go with something smaller, but not a revolver as I just don't care for them.
Aerethan wrote: Apologies for the crap wording. When I say "sniper" I just mean a bolt action with a scope meant for long range shooting, and having never owned a gun I'm not up on the proper terminology.
I honestly couldn't tell you what kind of 1911 it was, it was a rental range in Vegas months ago. I suppose for that particular item I'll have to arrange to test out a few different models to find one that I like.
I do plan on getting a CCW license, so for that I'd definitely go with something smaller, but not a revolver as I just don't care for them.
No worries!
Just check my first post to you with the added pictures. You can do lots of things with the 10/22 without breaking the bank...
Bolt actions run the full gambit. Its sounds like you’re looking for inexpensive: Mossberg something (you’ll see) Ruger American Savage something (you’ll see) These incorporate newer technology to pop up good accuracy. We’re talking $450 or less.
Fun gun: Agreed go with a .22 semi auto. Fun AND cheap (both the rifle and the ammo). Marlin semi autos are more accurate, but Rugers (as discussed earlier) can be played with. You can get a nice .22 Henry lever action and go to town Clint Eastwood style. In addition or alternatively I’d suggest a nice Ruger/Browning/S&W .22LR pistol wee hA!!!!!
1911: I suggest going to Red’s in Pflugerville. You’ll know where that is once you land in Austin. They have a buttload of pistols you can try.
I do plan on getting a CCW license, so for that I'd definitely go with something smaller, but not a revolver as I just don't care for them.
See above. Also there are several CC compatible pistols now with extended mags to handle full size fun as well.
As an aside IDPA does shooting at Liberty Hill and Austin Rifle Club. USPSA also does ARC. I think Liberty does 3 gun matches as well.
OT but watch out for the neanderthal being walked by several dogs, you future Cedar Chopper. He's packing.
as the above have mentioned, the ruger 22 is pretty awesome, very popular up here as well (my god I wish we could ge the tommy gun conversions stocks up here)
one nice thing, if you are into AR-15's, is that they can fire both .223 and .22lr with only a different bolt/magazine,
so one gun, twice the fun! makes for some cheap 3 gun practice, and dumping 50rnd .22 mags is a hoot!
cmmg makes a good one, but I hear good things about other .22 lr conversion kits as well.
my main advice would be to join a shooting forum, and find local people who are into the sport and tag along with them and try out lots of stuff before you buy anything,
Id rather have a low maint, high accuracy, reliable gun that works for target shooting/small game (or large with cal change)/ and self defence.
Sorry, I wouldnt classify the AR-15, M-4 or any other variant to be a "low Maintenance" weapon. Going on 10 years with the little beasties, and I am quite comfortable/familiar with them. Yest, they are accurate and actually fairly reliable IF, and thats a big IF, you take care of them. They are a precision instrument, and need to be treated as such. If you treat one as some cave dweller would his AK, and yeah, it's not going to fire like the AK will.
I'd personally prefer the Israeli rifle or an ACR or SCAR for my personal collection, just for the sake of learning a new weapon.
I don't blame you for being a wimp, I blame your Drill Instructors for not beating this strain of weakness out of you properly. Wah. Lady of the Folkvangr protect me if I had a private like you in my unit I'd kill myself to protect my own honor from contamination. "Oooh it's sharp and cold" oh please, if you can't snuggle up to an M16 service rifle you have no place snuggling up to a woman, or a man if that's your fancy, and cold as rifle steel might be it's still no where near as cold as a woman's feet.
Id rather have a low maint, high accuracy, reliable gun that works for target shooting/small game (or large with cal change)/ and self defence.
Sorry, I wouldnt classify the AR-15, M-4 or any other variant to be a "low Maintenance" weapon. Going on 10 years with the little beasties, and I am quite comfortable/familiar with them. Yest, they are accurate and actually fairly reliable IF, and thats a big IF, you take care of them. They are a precision instrument, and need to be treated as such. If you treat one as some cave dweller would his AK, and yeah, it's not going to fire like the AK will.
I'd personally prefer the Israeli rifle or an ACR or SCAR for my personal collection, just for the sake of learning a new weapon.
Id rather have a low maint, high accuracy, reliable gun that works for target shooting/small game (or large with cal change)/ and self defence.
Sorry, I wouldnt classify the AR-15, M-4 or any other variant to be a "low Maintenance" weapon. Going on 10 years with the little beasties, and I am quite comfortable/familiar with them. Yest, they are accurate and actually fairly reliable IF, and thats a big IF, you take care of them. They are a precision instrument, and need to be treated as such. If you treat one as some cave dweller would his AK, and yeah, it's not going to fire like the AK will.
I'd personally prefer the Israeli rifle or an ACR or SCAR for my personal collection, just for the sake of learning a new weapon.
maybe you and I just have different opinons on what low maintenance is, I clean with brush/rag every 500-1000 rnds is all, maybe check to tighten things every 5k, that to me is low maint. long as I dont get big gobs of mud in the action or barrel it runs well, handles rain, dirt, snow, -40 C ect,
my Czech 58 "not and ak but close enough" however has been a problem since day one, go figure.
even ak's need some love every now and then, you gotta take care of any gun to make 100% sure it will take care of you no matter what you run, no such thing as maintenance free with cars, women, or guns IMO.
I live in Illinois, as such I grew up only shooting shotguns, and the gun I own for trap, fowling, and deer hunting is a 12 gauge Franchi over and under. It was my fathers gun and I have used it for over 13 years.
I don't blame you for being a wimp, I blame your Drill Instructors for not beating this strain of weakness out of you properly. Wah. Lady of the Folkvangr protect me if I had a private like you in my unit I'd kill myself to protect my own honor from contamination. "Oooh it's sharp and cold" oh please, if you can't snuggle up to an M16 service rifle you have no place snuggling up to a woman, or a man if that's your fancy, and cold as rifle steel might be it's still no where near as cold as a woman's feet.
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Agreed, and did the same... Sorry, but seriously if you have these sorts of issues with the greatest life saver ever issued to you in the military, you probably should go join the Girl Scouts... if they'll have you.
A Tavor is high up on my christmas list for the record.
Also I'm sleeping with my AR-15 tonight just to prove a goddamn point. I always felt most comfortable in boot when we were racked out with our rifles, maybe I'm just weird but I liked knowing where rifle was.
Did any one have their DIs come around and attempt to steal rifles? That was one of their favorite tricks when we were in the field, I slept with the rifle tight to me, and the sling wrapped around my leg. If you drag the rifle out you'll be dragging my pissed off Irish ass with it! At MCT some fuckheads leaned their rifles against their cots and were general clusterfeths beyond that. Boots and gear all the hell over the place, looked like what you call a yardsale in the skiing and snowboarding community. Well I'm sitting on the ridge with my buddy watching all of this through our RCOs, we're OPFOR and about to lay some hurt on the FOB see? Just as we're about to engage, a combat instructor walks over and starts collecting rifles. I had to tackle one of the Marines with me to stop him from firing, but it was too good to pass up, the second that instructor is inside the radio shack with his looted rifles "ALALALALALALA!" I'd have traded a kidney for a video camera with good optical zoom watching those guys wake up, try to put themselves together to respond and then realize their rifles were gone. Funniest damn thing I've ever seen.
Well we never kept them 24/7in the barracks during Basic/AIT. When we went FTX best have it in your bag with yu while sleeping. When we're not FTX they were kept in the arms room.
We had a "Slicky Boy" in South Korea stole a duffle bag while at MPRC. The idiot kept his M16 in the duffle bag instead of in his bag while sleeping. So sensitive item check in the morning revealed the rifle missing and then 20 min later declared stolen. South Korean Military was not happy and pretty much locked down everything in a five mile radius and literally was ground searching and door to door search looking for the weapon. Found leaning against a tree two miles from AO.
*They are accurate.
*Accurate. No its not a Remington 700, but its accurate for an autoloader. Some versions are exceedingly (sub MOA) accurate.
*It don't kick for nothing. This matters for a variety of shooters including da wimminz
I have to +1 this. First time I got to fire an M4 was at the range for my birthday. Never held one before. I loaded the rifle, pulled the charge handle, flipped it off safe and onto semi, peered down the iron sights and my first round went through the right eye of the paper target I was shooting at.
So yes, for a complete novice it is a very user friendly firearm
I've to stick with the M4/AR15. I'm familiar with the weapon. I know what I can do with the weapon. I know how to maintain my weapon. Its proven itself to me in combat. Hence I prefer my M4 over any other. Go with what you know. Granted I would say the same with a AK but with the AK74 if I spent the same amount of time with that rifle. I really wanted to mount a scope on my M1 but that would seriously degrade my weapon since it wasn't design for that. My wife has a 30-06 at her mother house that's old but I'm leaning towards her to purchase a new one. She hunts. Not me. I will cover her back when she goes deer hunting....and she plays 40K to
Also I'm sleeping with my AR-15 tonight just to prove a goddamn point. I always felt most comfortable in boot when we were racked out with our rifles, maybe I'm just weird but I liked knowing where rifle was.
As I understand it, the AF gives people rifles in boot now, but when I went through, the only time I touched a real rifle was the day we went to the range. Our FTX, we walked around with plastic replica's. It felt very cheesy.
Also I'm sleeping with my AR-15 tonight just to prove a goddamn point. I always felt most comfortable in boot when we were racked out with our rifles, maybe I'm just weird but I liked knowing where rifle was.
As I understand it, the AF gives people rifles in boot now, but when I went through, the only time I touched a real rifle was the day we went to the range. Our FTX, we walked around with plastic replica's. It felt very cheesy.
Rubber ducks for everyone!
Actually, Glock restricted the sale of their blue training/demo rubber pistols to police only.
Tavors are quite popular up here, quite a good gun if you can afford the price tag, they are ALWAYS sold out fast up here, for good reason.
all the goodness of a long barrel, with half the profile, plus its sexy enough to make your AR jealous, but im sure you can fit one more in the bed!
My Machzur (draft; March 08) was one of the last Nahal drafts to receive the M16-series rifles vs. the Tavor. I'm a little jealous of the n00bs.
Regarding the 2A discussion on, "What do you need an AR15 for?" The amendment is about fighting tyranny. You can't fight tyranny with a limp-dick low capacity magazine.
Frazzled wrote: Bolt actions run the full gambit. Its sounds like you’re looking for inexpensive:
Mossberg something (you’ll see)
Ruger American
Savage something (you’ll see)
These incorporate newer technology to pop up good accuracy. We’re talking $450 or less.
Fun gun:
Agreed go with a .22 semi auto. Fun AND cheap (both the rifle and the ammo). Marlin semi autos are more accurate, but Rugers (as discussed earlier) can be played with. You can get a nice .22 Henry lever action and go to town Clint Eastwood style. In addition or alternatively I’d suggest a nice Ruger/Browning/S&W .22LR pistol wee hA!!!!!
1911: I suggest going to Red’s in Pflugerville. You’ll know where that is once you land in Austin. They have a buttload of pistols you can try.
I do plan on getting a CCW license, so for that I'd definitely go with something smaller, but not a revolver as I just don't care for them.
See above. Also there are several CC compatible pistols now with extended mags to handle full size fun as well.
As an aside IDPA does shooting at Liberty Hill and Austin Rifle Club. USPSA also does ARC. I think Liberty does 3 gun matches as well.
OT but watch out for the neanderthal being walked by several dogs, you future Cedar Chopper. He's packing.
I acn attest to the Marlin accuracy. I have a Model 60 and holy cow, I can shoot like a pro with that thing. Irons I can be a good 25-30 yards away and have groups of an inch-ish free handing it. Then I can put on the scope and Ive actually shot charms suckers from 100 yards away with ease if the wind is being nice. That rifle is nuts. But yea if making it look cool is your thing, the options for a Marlin are pretty slim though it can be done.
AUGs are supposed to be good, and are in a similar price range, but I inhereantly trust anything made by the IDF as a weapon. The Israelis know how to make them a kill stick.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: AUGs are supposed to be good, and are in a similar price range, but I inhereantly trust anything made by the IDF as a weapon. The Israelis know how to make them a kill stick.
A Marine friend of mine got to cross-train with the AUG, and he loved it. I haven't had a chance to shoot one yet, but a local gun range has one for rental...I'll get to it eventually.
Also, the AUG is made by Steyr, of Austria. I don't think the IDF ever used/produced one. The bullpup I'm aware the IDF uses is the Tavor and its variants.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: AUGs are supposed to be good, and are in a similar price range, but I inhereantly trust anything made by the IDF as a weapon. The Israelis know how to make them a kill stick.
Yes they do. And they know that if they are putting them into the hands of the IDF that it will be reliable. Sorta kicking myself. I had a chance to fire an AUG A3 last year at the shooting range but my brother-in-law really wanted to fire the P90. The range since sold off a lot of their rifles and concentrated on AR's but kept an M4
I shot a PS90 when I lived in South Carolina. Couple college kids came to the outdoor range with that and a bunch of melons. That 5.7x28 round is mean !
Kalashnichris wrote: I shot a PS90 when I lived in South Carolina. Couple college kids came to the outdoor range with that and a bunch of melons. That 5.7x28 round is mean !
The P90 is a great firearm to operate, there wasn't a great deal of kick from it on full auto, the optics were decent, and having 50 rounds to burn helps too
Just picked up a DPMS Oracle that someone panic-bought in April and shot three rounds out of it for $350 OTD. Ill change out the fire control and install a 1x8 barrel, but thats about it.
Why on earth did people panic buy it? Was it cheap so they figured they could buy more of it, or did they just confuse it with .223 and think that it was an "assault rifle bullet"?
On the bright side, at least I can find 9mm for decent prices. And I finally got a membership to the local club so I can go shooting outdoors again.
Why on earth did people panic buy it? Was it cheap so they figured they could buy more of it, or did they just confuse it with .223 and think that it was an "assault rifle bullet"?
On the bright side, at least I can find 9mm for decent prices. And I finally got a membership to the local club so I can go shooting outdoors again.
Its an easy substaitute when you can't get something else.
Then scammers saw the price bubble and started buying it up and reselling it on Gunroker etc.
Why on earth did people panic buy it? Was it cheap so they figured they could buy more of it, or did they just confuse it with .223 and think that it was an "assault rifle bullet"?
On the bright side, at least I can find 9mm for decent prices. And I finally got a membership to the local club so I can go shooting outdoors again.
Its an easy substaitute when you can't get something else.
Then scammers saw the price bubble and started buying it up and reselling it on Gunroker etc.
Its even hard for gun stores to get ammo. We cant even get a solid date from the manufacturors as to when orders will be filled.
Academy and Walmart have regular shipments. Those shipments are then taken and resold. Walmart especially has been accused of having employees intercept and resell ammo.
Frazzled wrote: Academy and Walmart have regular shipments. Those shipments are then taken and resold. Walmart especially has been accused of having employees intercept and resell ammo.
Its driving me bananas. I can't find target 9mm anywhere. I can find 40 plenty easily, but my 40 isn't my carry and I'd like to target shoot more often with my carry....sigh...
sparkywtf wrote: Went to the new Gander Mtn Firearms Supercenter in Minnesota the other day. And Cabela's.
Cabela's had tons of .223 around which is nice. No 9mm ball though. Gander had tons of both and a nice stack of .22lr, just not minimag
Yeah, my Cabelas is selling Bushmaster AR's with 2 or 3 30 round mags for $750. Thats half the price it was 4 months ago here. I might pay rent late this month
sparkywtf wrote: Went to the new Gander Mtn Firearms Supercenter in Minnesota the other day. And Cabela's.
Cabela's had tons of .223 around which is nice. No 9mm ball though. Gander had tons of both and a nice stack of .22lr, just not minimag
Yeah, my Cabelas is selling Bushmaster AR's with 2 or 3 30 round mags for $750. Thats half the price it was 4 months ago here. I might pay rent late this month
I'd be with you, but my girlfriend said no more spending money till I get out of some of my debt.
Frazzled wrote: Academy and Walmart have regular shipments. Those shipments are then taken and resold. Walmart especially has been accused of having employees intercept and resell ammo.
Mine have been accused of this quite a bit.
I've actually considered getting a job there at times just to figure what the heck is happening to the ammo, because I know they're getting it.
I live within a couple ours of a couple of the largest gun stores in the country, and getting my ammo hasnt been very difficult... especially seeing as how all the shops in the town I live are perpetually sold out of the ammo I need (the soul killing .45acp, and .380)
The Bass Pro shop in Nashville was just as useless, though it would seem that large gun specific stores have greater pull with the ammo manufacturers than do big box sporting goods stores.
In this area, (rural PA), the ammo shipments to Walmart come Wednesday or Thursday evenings. Ive noticed the same group of 4 guys who buy it right off the skid. Walmart limits people to three bricks, these jackals all buy three each at $24/box, then flip them at the gun shows for $60-80 a pop. Ive made friends with the manager, and every now and then buy a brick of 22. Sad, considering I work part time at a gun store.
I lucked upon a couple boxes of 9mm about a month ago at walmart. Grabbed them up real quick. For whatever reason I never grab pistol ammo in bulk. Most I ever bought was 250 rounds of wolf 9mm before the latest panic. Think I still have 3 boxes left. Lucked out during the panic. A buddy sold me my Springfield Armory 1911 $500 then casually mentions he was looking to move 420 rounds of IMI xm193 ammo. At this time 420 rounds of 5.56 of any kind was an easy $400. He tells me he just wants what he paid for it.....$150!!! Deal was so good, the wife didn't even complain about hitting the atm. Its sealed up in a 30cal can right next to another can with 450 rounds of xm855 from lake city.
All my factory 556 is Lake City 62gr. I'll never put Wolf in any of my arms (one reason is because Wolf is dirty, and the other reason is they dont use brass). We have a 1000 box of Tula for $350, but I t'aint touchin it LOL.
My reloads, I use Hornady V/Zmax 55gr or Sierra match bullets and CFE powder and CCI primers (it's a harder primer).
Just today I saw the price on frangible ammo, holy canoli!
I can find .22lr in federal bulk (which is my preferred shooting round) at the local gun shop, the problem is this. They clearly get the 550 round boxes, and split them up in bags of 50 rounds and then sell them for $5. Youre only allowed 2 bags per stop, so the wife and I will go together and get 200 rounds for $20. The problem is, when people werent asshats with the 22.....you could buy that same 550 round box of federal for $20, so they are making twice the profit off the same box. Its fething theft IMO
KingCracker wrote: I can find .22lr in federal bulk (which is my preferred shooting round) at the local gun shop, the problem is this. They clearly get the 550 round boxes, and split them up in bags of 50 rounds and then sell them for $5. Youre only allowed 2 bags per stop, so the wife and I will go together and get 200 rounds for $20. The problem is, when people werent asshats with the 22.....you could buy that same 550 round box of federal for $20, so they are making twice the profit off the same box. Its fething theft IMO
Thats is theft!
We were selling American Eagle 50rd boxes for $3, and Federal for $3.99 and CCI for around $4.59
We sold out the last two boxes today of AE today. We have about 5 boxes of CCI subsonic left.
Spacemanvic wrote: All my factory 556 is Lake City 62gr. I'll never put Wolf in any of my arms (one reason is because Wolf is dirty, and the other reason is they dont use brass). We have a 1000 box of Tula for $350, but I t'aint touchin it LOL.
My reloads, I use Hornady V/Zmax 55gr or Sierra match bullets and CFE powder and CCI primers (it's a harder primer).
Just today I saw the price on frangible ammo, holy canoli!
My ar's have never seen a single round of wolf in the chamber. I know people say it's not a big deal, but I've seen enough fte's to stay away. Figure I spent that much on a boomstick, whats the sense in saving a few cents round. My ak's are a different story....wolf all the way!
I have one AR that gets fed nothing but wolf. It was built as a test to see exactly how far I could push the platform. 2000 rounds of the stuff without issue thus far. The other one, my 6940, has been fed a little to make sure it can run steel cased....If it can't run steel cased in a pinch, I ain't keeping it.
SOFDC wrote: I have one AR that gets fed nothing but wolf. It was built as a test to see exactly how far I could push the platform. 2000 rounds of the stuff without issue thus far. The other one, my 6940, has been fed a little to make sure it can run steel cased....If it can't run steel cased in a pinch, I ain't keeping it.
It should do fine, but you'll have to clean it more often and Im betting the carbon will be a pita to scrape off. Plus your gas system will probably foul quicker. Also the powder used is pretty corrosive, wouldnt be surprised if it leads to quicker barrel wear.
All these reasons, plus the fact it is steel cased (which means I cant reload it - waste of resources and environment) makes me wave off Wolf/Tula for my ARs. They'll work in the AR platform, but I dont think the long term cost justifies its use. At least for me......
yeah, .22lr is the only thing getting scarce up here, I cannot seem to find any of it in any quantity anywhere.
223 went up from 27c rnd to 30c/rnd
.45 is still 33c/rnd
it feels odd having more/cheaper ammo then the yanks for once....
Well at least I've got cheap 9mm. I could live without 22lr if I could just find a good source for 9x18 mak. It was easy to find when the panic first started but now its harder to find 9nm.
.40 is always available here, and 9mm is getting more available. Good luck finding .45 however. Same with .22 - if you can find it, it's expensive. The guns themselves are getting more available. The local Walmart as three AR-15s right now, and two of them are Colts with rails for about $1400.
The wife and I went pistol shopping today. We were just looking around and we are almost certain we are putting a lay-a-way in for a pistol for her and myself as well. Im in love with the Ruger SR9 and shes wanting an SR22. I cant get over how nice the SR9 feels in the hand. But while browsing we were shooting the breeze with the salesmen and checking out this and that, when I mentioned I never held a Glock before. So he laughed and said "Judging by what you said you like, I bet youll hate it" so we went over to give it a fit. Yuck! What a strange feeling gun! It just feels so wrong in every way possible. I didnt like it at all.
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mega_bassist wrote: .40 is always available here, and 9mm is getting more available. Good luck finding .45 however. Same with .22 - if you can find it, it's expensive. The guns themselves are getting more available. The local Walmart as three AR-15s right now, and two of them are Colts with rails for about $1400.
Yea my local gun store is getting plenty of panic buyers reselling their panic buys Some of the deals they have are pretty impressive. Im talking, my cheap ass self is looking around wondering what I can sell
KingCracker wrote: The wife and I went pistol shopping today. We were just looking around and we are almost certain we are putting a lay-a-way in for a pistol for her and myself as well. Im in love with the Ruger SR9 and shes wanting an SR22. I cant get over how nice the SR9 feels in the hand. But while browsing we were shooting the breeze with the salesmen and checking out this and that, when I mentioned I never held a Glock before. So he laughed and said "Judging by what you said you like, I bet youll hate it" so we went over to give it a fit. Yuck! What a strange feeling gun! It just feels so wrong in every way possible. I didnt like it at all.
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mega_bassist wrote: .40 is always available here, and 9mm is getting more available. Good luck finding .45 however. Same with .22 - if you can find it, it's expensive. The guns themselves are getting more available. The local Walmart as three AR-15s right now, and two of them are Colts with rails for about $1400.
Yea my local gun store is getting plenty of panic buyers reselling their panic buys Some of the deals they have are pretty impressive. Im talking, my cheap ass self is looking around wondering what I can sell
My girlfriend and I both love the SR9. She sold it a few months ago when we were moving out east, now we miss it since we ended up staying.
Speaking of ammo I saw the most amazing sight while at the shop. A literal drum barrel, of 5.56 for sale. It was 7 grand for 12,500 rounds if I remember correctly. Ive never seen so many bullets in 1 spot
KingCracker wrote: The wife and I went pistol shopping today. We were just looking around and we are almost certain we are putting a lay-a-way in for a pistol for her and myself as well. Im in love with the Ruger SR9 and shes wanting an SR22. I cant get over how nice the SR9 feels in the hand. But while browsing we were shooting the breeze with the salesmen and checking out this and that, when I mentioned I never held a Glock before. So he laughed and said "Judging by what you said you like, I bet youll hate it" so we went over to give it a fit. Yuck! What a strange feeling gun! It just feels so wrong in every way possible. I didnt like it at all.
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mega_bassist wrote: .40 is always available here, and 9mm is getting more available. Good luck finding .45 however. Same with .22 - if you can find it, it's expensive. The guns themselves are getting more available. The local Walmart as three AR-15s right now, and two of them are Colts with rails for about $1400.
Yea my local gun store is getting plenty of panic buyers reselling their panic buys Some of the deals they have are pretty impressive. Im talking, my cheap ass self is looking around wondering what I can sell
My girlfriend and I both love the SR9. She sold it a few months ago when we were moving out east, now we miss it since we ended up staying.
Not surprised, everyone Ive talked to about the SR9 or read/watched reviews on the gun seem to think its a fantastic pistol. It doesnt help that I apparently have a hard on for anything Ruger
