pities2004 wrote: Would be nice if the guy who leaked the stuff would get a good camera phone, it's 2013
Just lends more credence to the idea that it is GW themselves controlling the leaks now.
Remember that this is exactly how the Space Marine leaks went: fuzzy shots of WD, then a few days later extremely nice close-up shots of the same pages from WD without the fuzziness.
pities2004 wrote: Would be nice if the guy who leaked the stuff would get a good camera phone, it's 2013
Just lends more credence to the idea that it is GW themselves controlling the leaks now.
Remember that this is exactly how the Space Marine leaks went: fuzzy shots of WD, then a few days later extremely nice close-up shots of the same pages from WD without the fuzziness.
No, I completely disagree. If this was from GW they'd be clearer pics because you always want to show off product in the best possible light. It's all about controlling your message so that your first impression is a positive one. Everyone has seen the negative kneejerk reactions we get here based on blurry pics that later change with clearer pics. There's no way GW would want to feed that phenomenon unless they're completely incompetent.
Now, could a second, clearer set be from GW as damage control. Sure, that I'd be more willing to buy.
pities2004 wrote: Would be nice if the guy who leaked the stuff would get a good camera phone, it's 2013
Just lends more credence to the idea that it is GW themselves controlling the leaks now.
Remember that this is exactly how the Space Marine leaks went: fuzzy shots of WD, then a few days later extremely nice close-up shots of the same pages from WD without the fuzziness.
No, I completely disagree. If this was from GW they'd be clearer pics because you always want to show off product in the best possible light. It's all about controlling your message so that your first impression is a positive one. Everyone has seen the negative kneejerk reactions we get here based on blurry pics that later change with clearer pics. There's no way GW would want to feed that phenomenon unless they're completely incompetent.
Now, could a second, clearer set be from GW as damage control. Sure, that I'd be more willing to buy.
Notice the photos we got though. The things which people were on the fence about(Medusa/Cauldron and the Hydra/Charibdys) are the ones with the most clear photos.
Exactly what happened with Space Marines and the Centurions.
It's entirely possible to be coincidental, but it is one heck of a coincidence if so. I mean the guy snapping the photos of WD hurries with the things people are most excited for(Warriors and Witches), but takes time to get pretty passable shots of the things people are skeptical of?
I dunno Kanluwen, I enjoy tinfoil hat theories as much as anyone but that's a bit of a stretch In my opinion.
I reckon the only reason that the Medusa/Cauldron and the Hydra/Charibdys are somewhat clearer is because the image on the White Dwarf page is that much larger therefore easier to caputure detailed shots using the photographers's pants camera phone?
Not to mention, gorgon does bring up an exceptionally good point.
pities2004 wrote: Would be nice if the guy who leaked the stuff would get a good camera phone, it's 2013
Just lends more credence to the idea that it is GW themselves controlling the leaks now.
Remember that this is exactly how the Space Marine leaks went: fuzzy shots of WD, then a few days later extremely nice close-up shots of the same pages from WD without the fuzziness.
No, I completely disagree. If this was from GW they'd be clearer pics because you always want to show off product in the best possible light. It's all about controlling your message so that your first impression is a positive one. Everyone has seen the negative kneejerk reactions we get here based on blurry pics that later change with clearer pics. There's no way GW would want to feed that phenomenon unless they're completely incompetent.
Now, could a second, clearer set be from GW as damage control. Sure, that I'd be more willing to buy.
I disagree with you because GW has a history of not showing off stuff before it is released. At the moment I see them as being wary of showing stuff off early on. These blurry pics are similar to those ridiculous youtube videos they make which show something, but its usually just shadows or implies what the army is. Its what GW always does, but they create a bit of hype and make people look out/ want to get the White Dwarf so they can see the pretty models for the new army.
I don't understand why GW doesn't just spends months advertising what's coming down the line like every other company.
Well I'm very happy with all of those. although I can see my monster being a Kharibdyss to start. Was only going to have one with this years splurge on Druchii and that one looks the better of the two in my mind.
Really happy with the Gorgon, Cauldron, Hellebron and the Witch Elves in general, blurry pics or no. If Witches are core as rumoured I can see a Khainite force in my immediate future.
I think I just profer the older model, in all honesty. That said I don't think that's compelling enough to entice me to actually buy it, either!
As others have already mentioned, the Mierce and Reaper Hydras are mighty fine models indeed! Plenty of Hydra proxies to be had.
Whats the half snake model? thinking of that for herald of slaanesh, also the sisters of slaugther would make good daemonettes of slaanesh, may have to consider selling my current nettes and getting some of them.
Be interested to see the cold one knights and if any other cav models are introduced to count as seekers
Kanluwen wrote: Am I the only one who thinks the Hydra is nice?
I can't say it's nice given the quality of the picture, but I don't agree with the people saying it's bad.
Its heads look very naturalistic to me. Very snake-like. Which is something I always want to see more of in Fantasy- more sculpting from nature. In that pic though some of the closed-mouth heads' mouth lines disappear. When I first saw it I was very negative thanks to visual confusion because of the scales, it kind of looked like some of them are grinning with big old square teeth. When I took a closer look I liked it better and I'm sure when better pics come out the hydra will be fine. As for the Kharibdyss, well, let's just say I hope a non-lensflare photo comes out soon because I can't tell what the hell is going on with that thing.
Also, I expect to see quite a lot of Dark Elf Sisters of Slaughter/Dark Eldar Wych conversions in the near future.
I want clearer pictures but most of the stuff looks pretty good. I'm not a DE player though but I might pick up whatever that Gorgon chick comes in. I kinda want to paint her.
The variant model looks OK, but the actual Hydra... ugh. I can see more demand for Mierce Miniatures' version now, or at least, there would be if it wasn't so huge...
Scrub wrote: I dunno Kanluwen, I enjoy tinfoil hat theories as much as anyone but that's a bit of a stretch In my opinion.
I reckon the only reason that the Medusa/Cauldron and the Hydra/Charibdys are somewhat clearer is because the image on the White Dwarf page is that much larger therefore easier to caputure detailed shots using the photographers's pants camera phone?
Not to mention, gorgon does bring up an exceptionally good point.
Still, it does seem to be a pattern. Crappy, poorly done leaks to start with followed by newer images with better composition, and clear shots of text following later as the release date nears. Why couldn't the guy just take some decent shots to start with?
I like a lot of the new models. Nice resculpts of the infantry. One of the first giant rolling cart dual kits that looks great imo. I love that variant kit that comes with the Hydra very cool eldritch horror vibe. What's up with the Hydra having no teeth though?
You haven't seen the Finecast "Hydra Dentures" upgrade kit yet! Hold your judgement!
Also: Wow at the first plastic named character blister.
I love Shadowblade and will probably be forced to buy that to go with my other Assassin models.
The Cauldron of Blood looks very much like I remember it looking in Warhammer Online.
So far that's probably the only "must buy" from me.
Witches look better with the clearer pics, the rules will make or break them for me. I have 18 of the old ones, so odds are low that they will be amazing enough for me to want more. Especially if the Cauldron needs to be pushed. That takes up so much space in a unit, I don't think I'd need too many more.
I actually think its a pretty good sculpt...all the way up to the end of the neck.
The heads really ruin it, the two in the background with their mouth open look much better, but the ones in the front look like they're pulling a cheesy grin, and have flat, herbivorous teeth to boot. I think what I took to be peg like teeth in the lower res shots are in fact detailing of the lips, which means there is hope that a different paint job that didn't emphasise them so much could really help it.
But I don't play DE or have a use for a hydra, so...meh.
I don't collect Dark Elves, have no interest in collecting Dark Elves, and find the previous incarnations of Dark Elves to have been kinda silly. That's just putting my cards on the table.
WITCH ELVES: Good models. I was in the process of converting a set of beastmen "light centaurs" based on female bodies a few years ago when I wasn't thoroughly disgusted by GW business practices. Had these models existed back then, they would have been excellent conversion tools. For being what they are, they're alright, but anything that gets more slender female limbs into plastic is a good thing.
WAR HYDRA: Like I said before, the mouth line is the only thing undermining this kit. Paint it up so that scales can't be confused with teeth and you'll have no problems. And compared to the ultra-derpy previous hydra, this is a solid win.
KHARYBDISS: Ummm.... what the frak? I'd call this a swing and a miss. It is at least successful in that it looks distinct from the hydra, but it just doesn't make any physiological sense. I get the distinct impression that some corporate suit said, "Make the hydra a dual kit!" and the sculptor literally had no ideas so they just started mashing together random tentacles and body parts.
SISTERS OF SLAUGHTER: I don't see how these are anything functionally other than witch elves with different weapons. Like I said earlier, I expect these parts to be conversion fodder for Dark Eldar Wyches.
WARRIORS (I'm sorry, I mean "DREAD SPEARS"): Not vastly changed from the previous models, but still better in every way. If one can get past the head-up-someone's-ass decision to change their name to something that is utterly meaningless and shallow. Which I can, but I still wanted to point it out.
CAULDRON OF BLOOD: As an Eldar fan, I've always had an interest in this model because it is a depiction of Khaine outside of the 40K story. The previous incarnation of this model was something I always wanted as an ELDAR player to use as terrain in 40K, but I could never conceive of a place for in Warhammer Fantasy. So, the Dark Elves not only haul a giant-ass cauldron into battle, but also an even bigger-ass statue? It didn't make much sense, visually speaking. Now the model makes visual sense. Also, finally the dark elf depiction of Khaine fits with the dark elf aesthetic. It's not "40K but spikier!", it's it's own thing. Which I dig.
BLOODWRACK SHRINE: I'm of mixed feelings about this kit, mainly because way back when I was building a beastman army I built my army inspired by Greek legend. Not only that, but I wanted my army to be one where the leadership positions were dominated by females. So a medusa would have been right up my army's alley. And I did have ideas of medusa-inspired protective imagery, but nothing ever got off the drawing board. What I'm saying is that this model makes me feel like someone beat me to what I thought was a good idea, and executed it better than I planned to myself. So that feels bad in the sense that I got one upped, and good in the sense that it's a solid, quality model. Also, giant mystical-looking mirror next to a medusa? NICE.
SHADOWBLADE: Very good. The flavor text stinks of "we can't trust you to figure out our model on your own so we're going to verbally describe its good points instead of what we should be doing, which is describing it's place in our game world." But the model is a very high quality model.
My overall assessment: We still haven't seen the warriors with crossbows, I mean DREAD BOLTS or whatever the frak stupid name GW will give them, or any other plastic kits, but so far almost everything we've seen is a winner. GW is doing far better than what they did for the High Elves. For the HE, they just invented a bunch of bullsh*t units to give people stuff to buy without fixing the models that are broken. With the Dark Elves, they gave new toys while also updating old mis-steps, and so far apart from the Kharybdiss there are no apparent mis-steps. If the models shown so far were all the Dark Elves got this iteration, it would be good enough. If the rumors that more is waiting in the wings turn out to be true, then DE players are in a very good position. I rarely say this to GW, but "Job's a good'un!"
KHARYBDISS: Ummm.... what the frak? I'd call this a swing and a miss. It is at least successful in that it looks distinct from the hydra, but it just doesn't make any physiological sense. I get the distinct impression that some corporate suit said, "Make the hydra a dual kit!" and the sculptor literally had no ideas so they just started mashing together random tentacles and body parts.
I was quite serious when I made the Deep rising joke, it obviously inspired by the monster near the end of the film, which suits a Hydra dual kit perfectly.
Don't see many poses with the witch elves though. 2 sets of 5 models, only 5 poses. The only difference i see in the 2 sets are the arms. Hair, leg and torso's appear in the same combinations.
Makes me wonder how interchangable the parts will be.
Love that Gorgon. Love Shadowblade. I like the dual kit monster. Not big on the dual kit cauldron thing outside of the Gorgon. Quite like the Witch Elves.
Anyone gonna try painting the mirror on the Bloodwrack shrine so that it actually shows the reflection of the gorgon? Should be an interesting challenge.
Cauldron: Yes
Medusa thing: Yes
Witches: Yes, if the price is under $3/model for core, $4/model for elite
Sisters: Swing and a miss
Hydra: lol no
Kareem Abdul JaMonster: Meh
Shadowblade: possibly the worst angle they could have pictured him in, nice cloak bro.
Things that damn well better have new pics in the army book:
Chariots, BG/Execs, Dark Riders. If those items are not pictured in the army book then I've lost all faith in GW to have any dignity left, as you will note the crap finecast are still up for sale. If they are pulled from sale, then good.
Overall: I'll buy the witches and cauldron, and only the basketball icon if he's got good rules. The WARRIORS(because I've got too much integrity to type out those God awful names) are better than the current ones, but not good enough for me to replace my current 40 RXB's and 25 Spears.
Yeah... old hydra looks better I think, also im not really a fan of the new warriors, they look too much "high elves with dark colours" rather than the distinctly different look the older models had.
Also, dunno if anyone else is thinking it, but check ebay for the spare parts from people who build the medusa throne or w/e. That statue of khaine might make a brilliant base for a plastic avatar...
I'm actually pleased with (I think) the Sisters of Slaughter. I like the fact that they gave the models grotesques ala the Dunmer guards from Morrowwind.
1.) Warriors are a slight improvement, hoped for more. Stupid helmet design, maybe someone will produce alternatives?
Will use my Gamezone restic spearmen and maybe get some of these for crossbow unit.
2.) Witch Elves are fine, but alas only 5 non-modular bodies. Will continue using old ones and maybe add Slaughter babes with Witch Elf heads.
3.) Shadowblade: Dynamic, but I don't like the design. Have nice enough alternatives.
4.) Hydra: Not a fan, ugly uninspired heads, uncalled for breast claws. Charibdyss not better. Good thing that there are alternatives. Handlers are okay but not better than the old ones.
5.) Cauldron: Not a fan of the bandwaggon design, looks too much like carneval in Rio. Maybe some conversion getting rid of the stairs can rescue the model. Or a Stegadon conversion. The witch elves are nice, the Khaine statue has potential. Don't like the Medusa and don't see a connection yet to Dark Elves.
It's just struck me that the Witch Elves lined up like that remind me of a stop motion sequence of someone trying to fend off a wasp!
Also, the Charibydss heads are reminding me very strongly of something I can't quite put my finger on, is it the resurrection of something old, or is it a rip off of something?
The new hydra really reminds me of the plant monster from Little Shop of Horrors. The old model was better.
I really like the Kharibdyss, however. That is a nice piece of Elder Gods type stuff. Really reinforces just how naff the new CSM monstrous creatures are.
I do like the Warriors, though. Will definitely be starting an army when/if a 'strike force' type bundle arrives. And using various bits for my Dark Eldar, of course.
Hmm... not really the drastic redesign I was hoping for. Dark Elf Warriors seemed to have gone back to the 1990s. I was hoping for something that oozed cruelty and hatred, but these just look like your basic fantasy archetype.
Both Witch Elf types are suitably dynamic and are big step up from the previous metals.
Not sure about the big beasties; Hydra looks a bit tame compared to the current version and I can't wrap my head around the sea beastie yet.
Cauldron of Blood and Medusa Wagon thing are pretty good. I especially like the Medusa... very nice sculpt.
Overall - Not the worse release ever, but nowhere near as good as the Lizardmen a couple of months ago.
EDIT - Oh and Shadowblade wishes he was Deathmaster Snikch. He is not.
We all have to remember that this is only the first half of the release. We still have the BG, Executioners, dark riders, warlocks, and characters to be released next month.
pities2004 wrote: Would be nice if the guy who leaked the stuff would get a good camera phone, it's 2013
Just lends more credence to the idea that it is GW themselves controlling the leaks now.
Remember that this is exactly how the Space Marine leaks went: fuzzy shots of WD, then a few days later extremely nice close-up shots of the same pages from WD without the fuzziness.
No, I completely disagree. If this was from GW they'd be clearer pics because you always want to show off product in the best possible light. It's all about controlling your message so that your first impression is a positive one. Everyone has seen the negative kneejerk reactions we get here based on blurry pics that later change with clearer pics. There's no way GW would want to feed that phenomenon unless they're completely incompetent.
Now, could a second, clearer set be from GW as damage control. Sure, that I'd be more willing to buy.
I disagree with you because GW has a history of not showing off stuff before it is released. At the moment I see them as being wary of showing stuff off early on. These blurry pics are similar to those ridiculous youtube videos they make which show something, but its usually just shadows or implies what the army is. Its what GW always does, but they create a bit of hype and make people look out/ want to get the White Dwarf so they can see the pretty models for the new army.
I don't understand why GW doesn't just spends months advertising what's coming down the line like every other company.
Well, if they're doing it on purpose, it's pretty much incompetence on their part. Obscured views, partial images, etc. is one thing...horrible cell phone pics that are GUARANTEED to make a product sold on visual appeal look worse than they are in reality is another. It defeats the ENTIRE POINT of what you're trying to accomplish with advertising. No in-house marketer or outside agency with even the barest amount of competence would ever do something do dumb, and should probably be slapped in the face for even suggesting it. Again, clearer damage control pics are another story.
They used to show off greens and 3-ups months in advance. You could even read through WIP codicies and army books at Games Days, etc. Which was cool, but not smart in my professional opinion. You always want to stay in control of your message, and the blurry cell phone pics that resulted from that policy (see the connection here?) sometimes led to opinions being formed about products in advance and those products being bashed on message boards, etc.
Personally, I think advertising 3-4 weeks out would allow a little more hype and enthusiasm to build. But then I don't know what their research/analysis has told them. Maybe they've discovered that impulse buys are a major chunk of their sales, and therefore it may be counterproductive to advertise well in advance. As customers, we don't really know the lay of the land.
Back on topic, everything in the new pics looks great to me.
I don't know. I was really hoping for more from the warriors. Super static, and they still look like high elves, just darker. I wish someone would have brought back this style
The new "Warriors", though un-arguably better than the kit they replace, look like something that was made years ago and only released now.
I know that judging based on low quality pics can be misleading, but... They don't seem to be on the same level as the other releases (comparing ranges between Elves, and even Dark Eldar).
The infantry models look ok, but not much more than that.
I guess they could be improved with better colorpalette though.
I really dig the hydra, and love the clear green paimtjob.
The cauldron looks nice, but would probably look horrid for most casual painters (for me, that is )
Not a fan of the gorgons thick blood splashes, othewise, the medusa construct look amazing.
That Shrine to Khaine is smexy. Could make a unique Bloodthirster or Keeper of Secrets conversion. Warriors look pretty much the same, I imagine it's just gonna be the same kit that's had it's size reduced.
So has any body else had enough of these crazy kits? I remember when the war alter was two guys carrying an alter. Then we go a giant statue, not sure how that moved. I always though it needed wheels. Now we get a Giant statue on Giant wheels with opera stairs and OH MY GOD CUT IT OUT. Now we have this giant expensive kit that honestly, who would ever bring to a battle. Witch elves running up stairs in high heals
Andrew1975 wrote: So has any body else had enough of these crazy kits? I remember when the war alter was two guys carrying an alter. Then we go a giant statue, not sure how that moved. I always though it needed wheels. Now we get a Giant statue on Giant wheels with opera stairs and OH MY GOD CUT IT OUT. Now we have this giant expensive kit that honestly, who would ever bring to a battle. Witch elves running up stairs in high heals....
We get it, you remember when sodies was a nickle and you could fill up your tank for a dollar.
I like most of it... but the stairs to nowhere rolling stadium seats is crap imho. Some of these things, I just don't get what the hell they are thinking. elements of it are pretty cool, especially the actual Delves and the Khaine statue and medusa, but Jeez come-on for the stairs.
Hydrerp heads are weird looking too... not threatening, not distinct, they look half done.
Infantry though, especially the witches, look pretty darn good and will make awesome mix-and-match pieces with Deldar.
We get it, you remember when sodies was a nickle and you could fill up your tank for a dollar.
Its not that, Look I understand its a fantasy setting but some of this stuff is just crazy and makes 0 sense. If I had the photoshop skills I'd just bring everything to one level and get rid of the stairs and supports.
The Cauldron of Blood needs more Barry Humphries, gladioli and a hagwitch called Madge crouching at the foot of the stairs looking glum. Wild horses wouldn't get me to buy any of these kits, possums.
Clarification for those with no experience of Dame Edna Everage; she was (is?) a creation of Barry Humphries with lilac permed hair who dressed in OTT ankle-length dresses slit up to the thigh who started her show descending stairs like that and she periodically put down her ill-favoured bridesmaid, Madge. She would have made a good transgender witch elf.
Fra Charmelandro wrote: The Cauldron of Blood needs more Barry Humphries, gladioli and a hagwitch called Madge crouching at the foot of the stairs looking glum. Wild horses wouldn't get me to buy any of these kits, possums.
The spearmen are meh and look like the old static pose single piece models. The witch elves look sweet, the sisters of whatever look crappy. Digging the big beasts, the wagons are ok, but nothing I would buy, I havent used the cauldrons yet and I dont plan on it now, doesnt go with my themes.
Very disappointing. Nothing I would even consider including in my Dark Eldar army. But then, I have a full set of Raging Heroes wyches so I'm set. No need for more with the current rules.
However, we should mark this release as the one where female models are definitely better than the GW average.
[Mod Edit - Please, use a bit of restraint here, please.]
Just kidding it's worse than the last sneezy one.
Dreadspear/Crossbowmen are cool. I wish High Elves had gotten the same with their core.
Witch Elves look nice. I'm sure they'll be replacing a lot of [Mod Edit - Please, use a bit of restraint here, please.] Wyches and those awful uni-boob Daemmonettes.
The new "Warriors", though un-arguably better than the kit they replace, look like something that was made years ago and only released now.
I know that judging based on low quality pics can be misleading, but... They don't seem to be on the same level as the other releases (comparing ranges between Elves, and even Dark Eldar).
And their hands, oh dear.
Agreed, the warriors seems really dissapointing. Static poses, big hands, and boring generic design.
The hydra seems also like a disapointment, but I think it might look a lot better with another paintjob, and with a 360 view. Still, even then i don't think it will be as nice as it could have been,
The WE/SS are really cool tough, and i'm not a fan of female close combat regiment in general, but these ones nails it really well imo. The mask on the SS are insanely cool, and will be used on fllagellant body to make amazing looking chaos cultist for 40k
As for the chariot . OMG (squeel like a teenage girl). I need the medusa, coolest thing i've seen in a while.
Overall, a mixed release, I guess the executionner/black guard kits will either make or break the army.
I'm digging the Warriors, etc and the Witch Elves. Not sure how I feel about the Cauldron/Shrine being on a massive staircase, but otherwise they're awesome. Not sold on the Hydra yet, but the tentacle demon variant is kinda cool.
I'm really hoping Witch Elves move to Core. Partly to give me more variety in fielding choices than I do now, and partly to encourage all-Khainite armies.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and that Shadowblade just seems a little TOO extravagant a pose for an assassin.
The warriors are terrible, the cauldron has nice details but is pretty bad overall, the hydra is a great design but has the most amazingly awkward pose I've ever seen on a miniature. Only the witch elves are really on the level of other recent offerings.
The Kharibdyss and medusa by its own look kinda cool, but it really is the paint scheme and presentation that makes this a quite bland release.
The purples, reds and pale skin tones against the green background don't do these models any favours. All it does is really draw attention away from the model rather than complement it.
azreal13 wrote: It's just struck me that the Witch Elves lined up like that remind me of a stop motion sequence of someone trying to fend off a wasp!
Also, the Charibydss heads are reminding me very strongly of something I can't quite put my finger on, is it the resurrection of something old, or is it a rip off of something?
Possibly a Helicoprion (extinct species of Shark)
Personally it has a lot of Everblight influence to me. GW's been sneakin' in PP's model line again.
Kroothawk wrote: On the Warriors (with the bleaknames): I was expecting and hoping for something like the Warhammer Online design:
Instead we got something resembling the silly outdated design:
This is their competition: 30 restic Gamezone miniatures for 25.50 € (about the same as 10 of the new GW ones AFAIK):
I could not agree more, I wish they would have went with the Warhammer Online design for the warriors (and the Blackguard as well, but the description sounds anything but).
Oddly enough the Gamezone Minis you posted are the spearmen I've decided on : ), great value for a much better aesthetic.
I'm not sure how dynamic other folks want their regiment of spearmen, personally, I want them to be able to rank up and to integrate well with prior aesthetics whilst bringing more detail than their predecessors due to improved molding and sculpting work. i think these did that well.
Witch elves are excellent, not sure about their 'alternative' versions with the masks and whips, but it occurs to me as a Cryx player for WM, that I can use a mix up of these for Satyxis raiders and save a few dollars... assuming these plastics are actually cheaper than PP's metal infantry.
The Cauldron of Blood with steps is a direct tribute to how they appeared in the WAR game. I love this model in both incarnations and the medusa/gorgon is excellent.
The hydra/karybdis kit... It's ok, the pose looks odd and unnatural/uncomfortable and the hydra's heads are a let down for me, I'd consider using something else, perhaps a big tyranid head or something from the lizard men army. I also think this big monster suffers what the other very large monsters suffers from, the variables are all minor detail without options for changing the silhouette, this means at range they look the same. The skaven HPA, the big chaos thingy and the tombkings monster all suffer from this as well. If I bought this kit, I'd only use it for one creature, likely the karybdis and source a hydra from elsewhere with a different look... Or avoid it altogether and use a merwyrm as a stand in for the karybdis.
Need that Medusa...well 2. 1 I'll turn into a mythic/epic yuan-ti in d&d. Also need those large snakes for my lizard men...hopefully I can find bits on eBay..
I'm very interested in these. I am concerned about detail though, this picture of white resin makes the heads look 'soft' on detail.
That said, given they stand behind your front rank of well painted and detailed characters and command, and die in droves... how detailed do I need my rank and file now we're into horde-units of them...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also... ummmm, think I've found my hydra here...
i would be careful with the Warzone minis...
everyone i have from them is a great sculpt, but a horrible cast...
very rough, and don't go together well...
invest in Greenstuff...
i really like the stairs on the Cauldron...
the added dimension over the previous incarnation is nice, and it doesn't look as barebones as the fisrt wheeled version...
i think it's a nice improvement...
i really like the Gorgon, but the more i look at her, the less i like all the blood dripping from her...
might have to carve all that off, and not looking forward to it!!!
The only ones I don't like are the Spear guys. What is it with GW and super thick spears and huge hands, it just ruins it for me. I do like more dynamic poses, but its not practical in Fantasy (which might be a reason I dropped Fantasy...), so the posing might be as good as it gets without becoming a tangled mess.
The Witch elves seem great, sort of a mix between their 40k counterparts and the Raging Heroes versions. Of all the kits these are the ones I could see actually using (kitbashed into 40k though).
I do like the Cauldron from a modeling perspective. Is it practical as a warmachine? of course not. But it does look cool, and I'm not into Warhammer for realism. Would be a good painting project.
The big monsters look fine for what they are, I usually don't go for big monster kits so it's not for me, but it does seem like a good kit.
Those hands are far from huge. Look at the current High Elf/Dark Elf Spearmen to see "huge hands".
Really not seeing the whole "super thick spears" thing for myself, but eh.
The warriors are terrible, the cauldron has nice details but is pretty bad overall, the hydra is a great design but has the most amazingly awkward pose I've ever seen on a miniature. Only the witch elves are really on the level of other recent offerings.
I agree. I think these models are by far below the standards atleast I've become used to. All the girls look nice (and that's a big plus since GW's track record with female models is very poor) but the rest of the stuff not so much. I wouldn't say the models overall are terrible, but they aren't good either.
Wow, those are some great looking kits! I had a pretty good idea what they would look like based on the Dark Eldar from a year or so ago but they still impressed me.
I don't like how the cauldron of blood thing is now on wheels and the seemingly huge torso of the avatar fella but apart from that I can't find a single problem with this release...
I'm seeing lots of possibilities for Eldar and Dark Eldar kitbashing here : )
Cauldron of Blood = hello Eldar Avatar
Shadowblade = Harlequin Solitaire
Sisters of Slaughter = DEldar Wyches
Witch Elves = Banshees...?
i really like the Gorgon, but the more i look at her, the less i like all the blood dripping from her...
might have to carve all that off, and not looking forward to it!!!
cheers
jah
I totally agree. It's annoying that there is the blood sculpted on, since you have to either make it like they do, or try to carve it off, but doing that will probably loose some good scaly texture, on top of being a pain in the butt.
Wow, these are some fantastic kits! It's almost embarrassing how much better the Cauldron and the Hydra are compared to their current equivalents, though the Hydra's pose is a little OTT and I don't like that colour scheme.
Well, I think it's a decent release, the troop boxes are reasonable if not spectacular, the big kit is what it is, with the bonus of being an excellent source of alt sculpts for other armies, and after building the base chariot it looks very easy to magnetise so you can have either version, which cuts down on waste as well.
The monster dual kit though, well, I can't really comment on the hydra because it is painted so badly it is simply impossible to look past the derpy grin. And by badly, I don't mean technically bad paintwork, I mean bad it its base level, the choice of colour scheme that accents the lips to look like huge teeth is just insane on a promotional mini, who the hell approved that, it must have gone through 2, maybe even 3 levels of management before that picture of that mini ends up on the box and in white dwarf. And not one looked at it and said 'painting the face like that makes it look bad'.
Sadly, I think underneath what it looks like on the pics there is probably a really nice model, the alt version is a weird thing but it looks great as a monster. Astounding that something so obviously wrong can get all the way to the public like that.
Not sure about the Hydra- too much collagen in the lips there lol. Needs snake like fangs. But the Charybdis looks like a nasty piece of work! Really like the Cauldron and Shrine. As a Dark Eldar player I smell potential Wych conversions!
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Got a teaser video. Sorry if someone beat me to it.
Anyone else getting a Fist of the Northstar vibe from that one line?
Also, that new Hydra model looks nice. Not sure I like the wyches though. They look a bit static for me, which is ironic considering how they are in motion.
Dark Elves rules leaks The lads over at kiwihammer podcast have managed to get their hands on a White Dwarf a little bit earlier than most. They report the following:
New Releases
The DE Army book is written by Matt Ward
The largest dual kit is the Cauldron of Blood which allows you to make either a Cauldron of Blood or a Bloodwrack Medusa. You can also use this kit to make the special character Crone Hellebron.
The next dual kit is Witch Elves and the Sisters of Slaughter – Sisters of Slaughter are apparently the lost daughters of fallen noble houses and look great.
The new DE Core box allows you to make your warriors with Spears, Swords and Shields or Repeater Cross-bows.
The Dual Hydra/Kharibdyss kit looks pretty good, there are pictures of the Hydra with different paint schemes that actually look a lot better than the leaked photo we’ve already seen.
The Special Character Shadowblade is a single pose figure that will come in a clampack
There is a Lore of Dark Magic Card set being released.
Army Special Rules/Points Cost
Dark Elves now have the armywide special rule of ASF (unsure if this will apply to monsters/cold ones)
Dark Elves also have Hatred but presumably only in the first round
Black Guard have eternal hatred
New Rule called murderous prowess allows Dark Elves to re-roll 1′s to wound. Unsure if this will extend to shooting and magic.
There is a new Beastmaster Lord Level Character which costs 300 points when naked on a Manticore
Witch Elves are core and 11 points per model. They can also take magical banners.
A unit of 30 Spear Elves and of 30 Xbow Elves with Full command costs 390 points. Unsure what options were used but that means the warriors were 12 points per model.
A DE Sorceress Hero looks to be 80 points
Cauldrons of Blood still come out of Hero slots and look to have increased in points. They can join units and one of their powers allows a unit to re-roll to wound. In the Batrep a unit with a Cauldron and this buff up deletes a unit of Sobunz.
Bloodwrack Medusas are rare and have a shooting attack called Bloodwrack Stare. Not sure what it does
Hydras can now regain wounds in a manner similar to the Slann with the regen power of the old ones. They are now 180 points, have monster+handler but have to buy their breath weapon.
Lore of Dark Magic – The attribute is called spiteful conjuration and does extra wounds to enemies that have spells cast on them. Unsure of how the mechanic works but could be similar to Tz lore attribute?
Lore of Dark Magic – Only spell mentioned is called Word of Pain and it reduces WS/BS/I
A Dreadlord with Heavy Armour and a Shield on a Black Dragon costs 449 points.
Cold Ones are 30 points and have 2 Attacks, unsure if the cold ones themselves have ASF
It seems they are going for a more aquatic theme with the Dark Elves, judging by the fins and what not on the new monsters. This should be interesting.
Mixed feelings about Matt Ward, but overall I'm excited. Does that make me a bad person?
I like ASF. Executioners immediately got a boost (assuming they don't jump in points too much). Combined with Hatred and Murderous Prowess... I feel like we may be seeing more of them. A shame their metal models are such a pain to assemble...
Black Guard look like they will still be awesome. Eternal Hatred plus Murderous Prowess is awesome. I love rerolling dice.
Witch Elves went up by one point, hmm.
Sorceress dropped by 20 points. Awesome. I'm assuming it's level one, or else it's just too crazy.
Cauldron lets you reroll wounds. This might be amazing with Black Guard who already reroll to hit. Or Witches with their bucketload of attacks. Depends on the points cost though. I'm interested. I wonder if it still gives stubborn to Executioners and Witches?
No confirmation on whether the Medusa can be taken as a hero or a rare choice on her own. Very curious about her.
Hydras didn't go up by much, although paying for the breath weapon is reasonable. I wonder if they still have regen and 7 attacks.
Dreadlord on Dragon is 20 points cheaper.
Cold ones went up 3 points, but gained a S4 attack.
Pretty excited still. Executioners are the one unit I don't have a lot of and they seem to benefit the most from the rumored rules (ASF and Murderous Prowess are damn near custom made for them), and they are rumored to get new models in wave 2...
Also, that new Hydra model looks nice. Not sure I like the wyches though. They look a bit static for me, which is ironic considering how they are in motion.
That could be because they all seem to be posing with one knee raised and bent to roughly the same angle - apart from that they look ok to me, though I'd preferred them to be just a standard kit without the sisters of slaughter option.
Loving those Witch Elves - hopefully I can get them at a good enough price to fit them in to my Slaanesh Daemons army in some role. But they do need to compete with Raging Heroes 'Blood Vestals' as well...
Apart from ridiculous prices (as usual, but we won't go into detail on that), this is looking to be a really solid release.
The Hydra/Charybdis (I appreciate GW wanting people to pronounce it correctly, on the other hand, I don't appreciate the misspelling), I really like. I honestly do think it was a bad paint job for the model. Other than that, I think it looks great. I may file off the random chest horns on the Hydra, however.
The Cauldron kit is just fantastic. Over the top? Absolutely, but I think it makes it work. I'm also excited to have a Hellebron model. The gorgon looks lovely, but I agree all the blood sculpted on is unnecessary.
Shadowblade looks pretty darn awesome. The Witch Elves are fantastic and exactly what I was hoping for (albeit stupidly expensive for 11 point core models).
Sisters of Slaughter, however, I'm not so keen on. And the Warriors, I don't know. They're not bad models, not by a long shot, but for FINALLY redoing a hideous core box I was hoping for a little... More, I guess? I get that they have to to be somewhat static, they just look a little too much like High Elves painted like Dark Elves to me. I'll wait for 360 view and other paint schemes, because I feel like there's more to these models than we're seeing from these pictures.
All in all, a solid looking release, hoping the three plastic kits supposedly coming out next month look awesome. I haven't bought anything GW in a long time, but I'm definitely going to pick up the book, cards, Hydra, and a box of Witches. Undecided if I'm getting the Cauldron just yet, I definitely want one, but I should make sure they're actually worth taking before I buy it. I think I'll eventually get at least one or two boxes of Warriors to assemble as sword/board, because even if they're not gorgeous, they're a hell of a lot better than the Warriors I can't even bring myself to paint!
As silly as it is, I want to have a team game, team up with a Warriors of Chaos player, force them to take that horrible Scylla, I'll take a Charybdis, and then using those two, flank an enemy wizard or something, just so I can say the wizard is "Torn between Scylla and Charybdis" and play that song. Stupid, I know, but I must do it!
To be honest, I don't think I could ever field those Warriors next to the current Corsairs or the new Witches. I'd rather buy some spear/repeater bits and convert the Corsairs with no cloaks.
Current rumours point at executioneers/BlackGuard, Dark Riders/Warlocks, Chariot and Hellebore in November as 2nd wave, with pics probably in armybook.
His Master's Voice wrote: To be honest, I don't think I could ever field those Warriors next to the current Corsairs or the new Witches. I'd rather buy some spear/repeater bits and convert the Corsairs with no cloaks.
The quality is very different, that's for sure. Corsairs I absolutely adore (even though assembling them can be a pain in the ass due to getting them to rank up nicely), and in my opinion, the Witches are on the same level of quality as the Corsairs. What a shame they're so expensive, or I'd run a ton of Witch Elves as my core force.
Current rumours point at executioneers/BlackGuard, Dark Riders/Warlocks, Chariot and Hellebore in November as 2nd wave, with pics probably in armybook.
Current rumours point at executioneers/BlackGuard, Dark Riders/Warlocks, Chariot and Hellebore in November as 2nd wave, with pics probably in armybook.
Ok cool, hopefully they are in the book.
40k radio is the source too. They are 100% correct so far. At this point I'd be pretty shocked if the Executioneers/BlackGuard, Dark Riders/Warlocks, and new Chariot did not happen.
Current rumours point at executioneers/BlackGuard, Dark Riders/Warlocks, Chariot and Hellebore in November as 2nd wave, with pics probably in armybook.
Ok cool, hopefully they are in the book.
40k radio is the source too. They are 100% correct so far. At this point I'd be pretty shocked if the Executioneers/BlackGuard, Dark Riders/Warlocks, and new Chariot did not happen.
I'll happen, but I'd be suprised if its in November.
Red Viper wrote: 40k radio is the source too. They are 100% correct so far. At this point I'd be pretty shocked if the Executioneers/BlackGuard, Dark Riders/Warlocks, and new Chariot did not happen.
Actually, the info on the split came from a Warseer poster with access to retailer docs, right?
Makes me think 40k Radio has a plug directly at the printer.
I'm really not seeing the whole "High Elves painted as Dark Elves" thing, but that might just be relating to the fact that I look at the Dark Elves and High Elves as refusing to change the way they craft their armor simply because someone else does something similar.
The two big differences for Dark Elves v. High Elves though are there on the Warriors. The armor is angular rather than rounded in places(helms most notably) and rather than the scalemail over cloth that the High Elf units have, the Dark Elves have their ringmail over cloth.
I will say though that the design of the Dark Elves here is almost a perfect match for Jon Sullivan's art for the cover of "Shadow King", so I might be biased as I have that art print staring at me as I type this.
Mixed feelings about Matt Ward, but overall I'm excited. Does that make me a bad person?
I like ASF. Executioners immediately got a boost (assuming they don't jump in points too much). Combined with Hatred and Murderous Prowess... I feel like we may be seeing more of them. A shame their metal models are such a pain to assemble...
Black Guard look like they will still be awesome. Eternal Hatred plus Murderous Prowess is awesome. I love rerolling dice.
Witch Elves went up by one point, hmm.
Sorceress dropped by 20 points. Awesome. I'm assuming it's level one, or else it's just too crazy.
Cauldron lets you reroll wounds. This might be amazing with Black Guard who already reroll to hit. Or Witches with their bucketload of attacks. Depends on the points cost though. I'm interested. I wonder if it still gives stubborn to Executioners and Witches?
No confirmation on whether the Medusa can be taken as a hero or a rare choice on her own. Very curious about her.
Hydras didn't go up by much, although paying for the breath weapon is reasonable. I wonder if they still have regen and 7 attacks.
Dreadlord on Dragon is 20 points cheaper.
Cold ones went up 3 points, but gained a S4 attack.
Pretty excited still. Executioners are the one unit I don't have a lot of and they seem to benefit the most from the rumored rules (ASF and Murderous Prowess are damn near custom made for them), and they are rumored to get new models in wave 2...
ASF with a GW means the strike at initiative order just like sword masters and white lions.
I like these dark elves, and what the heck, gonna thin out my award winning painted Khorne army to get some of the cool minis! http://www.ebay.com/sch/bu11etmagn3tt/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from= Probably make an all female (topless) army from the new female warriors...Convert some into other units.... WooHoo!
I think the core spearmen look fine. I want a bit of an army to capture that old school wargaming rank & file feel. If there weapons were all pointing in slightly varied ways, or they were harder to paint, I sense it would simply take away from the fine aesthetics of the other choices. No complaints here.
Shrapnelsmile wrote: I think the core spearmen look fine. I want a bit of an army to capture that old school wargaming rank & file feel. If there weapons were all pointing in slightly varied ways, or they were harder to paint, I sense it would simply take away from the fine aesthetics of the other choices. No complaints here.
I agree that the core spearmen look fine. I just wish we could have gotten High Elf core spearmen redone as well. Those models are terrible and we could have used the spearmen more than those sisters of averlorn. =(
Under their current army book, Eternal Hatred gives Dark Elves Hatred against everything except for High Elves, who they hate every round.
For those that have the WD, is it possible to tell if the army only has Hatred towards High Elves and Black Guard are the only unit that has Hatred towards everything (because of Eternal Hatred)?
Based on the descriptions and some of GW's recent plastics, I was expecting to be tempted to pick up the mantle of Naggarroth once again, even at GW's current prices.
But, really, not so much...
Not one of those kits is even marginally tempting to me now. Guess I'll have to see what they look like in person, but they don't look to me to be even remotely as nice as their 40K cousins are.
Very disappointed to be honest. I was really hoping for something better...
I'm very interested in these. I am concerned about detail though, this picture of white resin makes the heads look 'soft' on detail.
That said, given they stand behind your front rank of well painted and detailed characters and command, and die in droves... how detailed do I need my rank and file now we're into horde-units of them...
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For rank units the quality and price of these minis are excellent!!!
I am really satisfied with them. Only point to be taken into account is that these miniatures are true and not heroic scale and look smaller next to GW minis, especially the newer ones like corsairs and apparently the ones from this last release.
Based on the descriptions and some of GW's recent plastics, I was expecting to be tempted to pick up the mantle of Naggarroth once again, even at GW's current prices.
But, really, not so much...
Not one of those kits is even marginally tempting to me now. Guess I'll have to see what they look like in person, but they don't look to me to be even remotely as nice as their 40K cousins are.
Very disappointed to be honest. I was really hoping for something better...
Valete,
JohnS
I agree with this. The 40K Radio guys (I think it was them) were practically drooling in their breathless descriptions of these new kits, but they're not really phenomenal. The Witch Elves are the best, IMO, and I like the Medusa lady, but HATE the sculpted-on blood. And on the whole, the super-ridiculous, over-the-top rolling platform is a little silly. Though it is in keeping with Fantasy and 40K's recent silly-creep.
I'm mulling getting a rolling cauldron of fabulous, but the pics, the sculpted blood and the price have me thinking I might just pass. Especially the price.
corgan wrote: Personally I think exactly the opposite. Really good looking models but the Raging Heroes ones are still better IMO
To each it's own. I find the GW Witches to have both better posing AND better proportions, which is mind boggling, considering it's GW female models we're talking about here.
corgan wrote: Personally I think exactly the opposite. Really good looking models but the Raging Heroes ones are still better IMO
To each it's own. I find the GW Witches to have both better posing AND better proportions, which is mind boggling, considering it's GW female models we're talking about here.
Low res pictures caveat apply.
I still like the Raging Heroes ones more, but I do agree that the GW ones are a vast improvement on GW's part. They actually look like women from what I can gather so far. I wish the Sisters of Averlorn looked more like women like these Witches.
corgan wrote: Personally I think exactly the opposite. Really good looking models but the Raging Heroes ones are still better IMO
To each it's own. I find the GW Witches to have both better posing AND better proportions, which is mind boggling, considering it's GW female models we're talking about here.
Low res pictures caveat apply.
for me, it comes down to casting quality...
both RH and Warzone minis are poorly cast, in my experience...
they have both put me off from buying more of their minis...
with GW plastics, i know i am going to get perfect casts, more conversion potential, and loads of extra bits to play with...
say what you like about price and aesthetic, but GW does do great plastic stuff, quality-wise...
Based on the descriptions and some of GW's recent plastics, I was expecting to be tempted to pick up the mantle of Naggarroth once again, even at GW's current prices.
But, really, not so much...
Not one of those kits is even marginally tempting to me now. Guess I'll have to see what they look like in person, but they don't look to me to be even remotely as nice as their 40K cousins are.
Very disappointed to be honest. I was really hoping for something better...
Valete,
JohnS
I agree with this. The 40K Radio guys (I think it was them) were practically drooling in their breathless descriptions of these new kits, but they're not really phenomenal. The Witch Elves are the best, IMO, and I like the Medusa lady, but HATE the sculpted-on blood. And on the whole, the super-ridiculous, over-the-top rolling platform is a little silly. Though it is in keeping with Fantasy and 40K's recent silly-creep.
I'm mulling getting a rolling cauldron of fabulous, but the pics, the sculpted blood and the price have me thinking I might just pass. Especially the price.
-C6
Agreed with all of this, as a long time dark elf player I was really hoping to be able to bulk out some of my units with these new releases but they are all pretty terrible with the exception of Shadowblade. The Ketchup-Bukkake Medusa needs all that ketchup filed off before I think of using it on the battlefield. If I do buy this I would certainly convert the piece to a stationary altar model as the rolling stairwell is terrible! It has some potential conversion opportunities, but I'd still rather buy a Carnosaur (I don't even collect Lizardmen!)
Wait, Witchelves are $60? There only looks like there is 10 of them in a box, what the crap over? What are they made out of that bumps their price so high? Hydra and dreadspears look to be decently priced at least if the spears have 10 guys in a box.
If these are the real prices then I think I might not be getting anything new besides a hydra and the book. Faaaar too pricy for ten guys/girls. The space marine release already turned me off with their outrageous prices, this is just another nail in the GW coffin.
Finally got around to looking at the new pictures. Glad to see my old metal spearmen and crossbows are back in style I'll keep using my cheap Reaper Bones hydra too, thanks.
I'm more excited to see what some modelers are going to do with the war alter's Khaine statute and medusa. I sense some pretty good greater daemon/avatar conversions inc.
Three tidbits:
1.) The Cauldron includes a Hellebron mini, new style, old spreadeagle pose. The blurry one above the Medusa:
2.) Limited edition has white dust jacket with crouching Witch Elf on it, standard armybook cover has some dread lord pointing.
3.) Armybook is written from the perspective of the Dark Elves.
That would have to be twenty Witch Elves surely, not even GW are that crazy to charge £40 for ten. Although.. glances at the Centurions box.. maybe they are.
Regarding the RH not-Witch Elves, my only issue with this is scale, just slightly smaller than GW. I only have ten of them at the moment, and looking at the GW ones unless they are ten for £40 I cant see me getting any more of the RH ones. Probably going to have to use them as equivalent Druchii teens and blend them into the GW Witch Elf units.
So why exactly do they think they can charge that much for 10 plastic witches and almost half that for 10 plastic warriors? Thats almost as bad as the sternguard/vanguard pricing. It would be interesting to see how many suckers bought into those instead of simply doing a super minor conversion to make cheaper ones. I think Ill be sticking to corsairs and buying some hydras. I only need to update a few things for my army anyway.
Hate to say it but I am really concerned that GW is pricing itself out of the hobby. How exactly is their teen base target going to be able to afford their products, especially in this economy. Especially when you have newer and much better priced games like Bolt Action, Warzone and Warmahordes either out and kicking ass or coming out shortly?
I'm looking at the Wyches box in frustration though.
GW has got to be getting close to a lot of folks breaking point now mind, these hidden price launches in the new releases where a bit annoying, but to raise them each release is madness.
If they really are £40 for ten I suddenly have serious doubts on starting Druchii, and I was about to drop £500-700 on a new army in the next two months, but not if that's only getting me half the models I should be expecting.
His Master's Voice wrote: Isn't the new price for a 10 woman box still less than what they ask for 10 current finecast models (without command)?
I know it's not much of a consolation, but still.
It is. It is actually a price decrease from current models.
Except that part where they are now CORE. At $6/model they cost nearly as much as Cold One Knights.
People keep talking about how they area cheaper than finecast, but who was buying the finecast ones?
They will be hands down the most expensive core infantry models.
At this price point I'd much rather use other alternatives, if for no other reason than spite. GW can feth themselves if they think that price is reasonable.
GW has got to be getting close to a lot of folks breaking point now mind, these hidden price launches in the new releases where a bit annoying, but to raise them each release is madness.
Witches are a price decrease. At least in the US, they were $33 for 5 right now. So that's a 10% DECREASE.
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Aerethan wrote: Except that part where they are now CORE. At $6/model they cost nearly as much as Cold One Knights.
People keep talking about how they area cheaper than finecast, but who was buying the finecast ones?
They will be hands down the most expensive core infantry models.
At this price point I'd much rather use other alternatives, if for no other reason than spite. GW can feth themselves if they think that price is reasonable.
Okay, but that's a different point. Are they expensive for core? Sure. Did prices increase? No.
pretre wrote: Witches are a price decrease. At least in the US, they were $33 for 5 right now. So that's a 10% DECREASE.
90% of stupid expensive is still stupid expensive.
That's fine but is, again, a different point.
You want to say they are stupid expensive? That's true. You want to say there's a price increase? That's false.
We can ignore entirely what the old cost was, because the old rules were different, and thus their use was different.
Why are 16 spearmen $35 for one army, 20 clanrats the same price, $24.75 for 10 empire soldiers, and now $35 for 10 Bleaklulzmen. All of these are core models, and all are plastic. Then you take the same army, and now 10 models for the elite infantry run $41.25 per 10. Clearly an increase in cost, but you'll also likely be running fewer of these models in an army, so it's not the end of the world.
These Witch Elves are defying the entire concept by costing more than ANY plastic infantry GW have ever released, let alone any Core models. Hell Space Marines got a brand new tactical kit with 180 pieces for 2/3 the cost. Now granted those will sell far more, but that is a back end issue.
At $60 per 10, I won't buy direct, I won't even buy at my 30% discount. I'll use Warzone or some other company for those models.
I'd sooner track down a full set of Diaz Daemonettes and pay $12 per model than give GW the sale for these.
You want to say they are stupid expensive? That's true. You want to say there's a price increase? That's false.
Remove the ridiculously overpriced finecast they are replacing out of the equation and then compare them to Wyches, a comparable amount of plastic and that's where I have issue.
Obviously the Wyches would probably be £20ish now, I was prepared to accept the £30 shadow Warriors level pricing, aye it is price gouging compared to the other plastic out there, but I could deal with it. £40 on the other hand would literally be a bad joke.
Hopefully UK prices will confirm £30 tomorrow, otherwise I can't see me doing anything other than shelving my Druchii plans. That's not because I couldn't afford it, but because I won't reward that level of stupidity.
Aerethan wrote: We can ignore entirely what the old cost was, because the old rules were different, and thus their use was different.
You can. However, if you do, you're not talking about price increases. You're talking about their current price relative to the other core units in the game. Are they stupid expensive? Yes. Was there a price increase? No. I don't disagree that these are ridiculously expensive. I get that. I agree. Buy alternatives if you want. But don't say they are more expensive than they were previous to this release. They aren't. They are cheaper.
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Remove the ridiculously overpriced finecast they are replacing out of the equation and then compare them to Wyches, a comparable amount of plastic and that's where I have issue.
I completely agree. Comparatively, they are more stupidly more expensive than other similar models. But they did not suffer a price increase.
I don't believe I've said once that they are more expensive than their previous models.
But model costs in this game are not isolated to just the models. The rules affect that cost significantly. And when a model moves from Special to Core, then the old prices can be ignored entirely when looking at overall cost in the game.
Spearmen got a 62.5% increase in price. I wouldn't be surprised if Corsairs get a raise as well.
Now granted, Spearmen did also nearly double in points, so we'll need fewer of them in general to hit the 25% mark, so there's that.
Just been flicking through the new white dwarf, have to say not overly fussed on the new elf stuff now i have seen non blurry pics. the Hydra looks good, but the COB, looks a little over the top. Should see them in person on Sunday so will reserve full judgement till then.
Uk Prices are.
Cauldron of blood / Bloodwrack shrine £45
Dark Elves Kharibdyss / War Hydra £40
10 X Dark Elves Dread Spears / Darkshards / Bleak Swords £20
10 X Dark Elves Witch Elves / Sisters of Slaughter £35
I imagine the witches require much more sprue space than warriors. Even with 3 weapon options, the pose of the warriors should fit 10 men in a very compact frame.
RossDas wrote: I think I drew the line at Greatswords; granted the witch Elves have the optional SoS parts, but still too much for me.
It's funny, I've held off on buying another box of Greatswords for a long time, but with these prices they all of a sudden look reasonable. Tempted to buy now before prices go up on everything. Perhaps I should just buy up everything now, hoard it under my mattress, and ebay it three years when we're all used to being charged $60+ for a box.
It's a pity, too, because I really do like the DE models...though I wonder how the Witches will look all ranked up.
cerbrus2 wrote: Just been flicking through the new white dwarf,
Confirm the SOB/BA Digidex?
10 X Dark Elves Witch Elves / Sisters of Slaughter £35
So ~$56 for 10? Still stupid spendy but even cheaper than the current.
Yes SOB and BA are mentioned SOB have new rules updated to 6th edition with Warlord traits, and BLood angels are mentioned having just new 360 degree photos and auto updating rules, Nothing else for them.
cerbrus2 wrote: Just been flicking through the new white dwarf,
Confirm the SOB/BA Digidex?
Yes SOB and BA are mentioned SOB have new rules updated to 6th edition with Warlord traits, and BLood angels are mentioned having just new 360 degree photos and auto updating rules, Nothing else for them.
Hmm.. now I am in quandary... I was fine with £30, but £40 was no go. Where do I stand at £35. Going to have to think about it. Still horrific that a what I consider a standard twenty man squad would cost seventy quid.
Might be the first time in a while I go to Wayland games, I might not get any figures till November, but it'd be a fair saving.
See how I feel tomorrow night after this wisdom tooth gets pulled.
I think I prefer Raging Heroes' Blood Vestals to these plastic witch elves; the pose of the second from the left is particularly awkward.
My first army was dark elves, and I'm certainly not tempted to return to them. I think GW is getting complacent.
If people want to lap it up, fine. If they find those prices acceptable, fine. I have recently bought some Romans, and for the price of a chapter of GW marines I could get an entire legion (whether that's 4200 or 5000) plus several hundred allies, made out of metal - that expensive stuff. No implausible aircraft or moving staircases though.
Fra Charmelandro wrote: I think I prefer Raging Heroes' Blood Vestals to these plastic witch elves; the pose of the second from the left is particularly awkward. snip If people want to lap it up, fine. If they find those prices acceptable, fine.
Wait, so the Blood Vestals are preferable and then you complain about price?
Five deadly Blood Vestals to terrorize and destroy your opponents. Box contains 5 different Blood Vestals and 5 square 20mm bases.
So, WEs are now core, but the most expensive core option in the game and more than a unit from the same army, in the same slot, being released at the same time with the same model count? My guess is that the option to make the SoS unit is the reason they're being priced as...more than Rare units in other armies.
It is a shame, as I really would have liked to get a couple units of the new WEs as the Dark Elves are one of my favorite armies still. At the prices being mentioned though, I'll likely not get much of anything.
Fra Charmelandro wrote: I think I prefer Raging Heroes' Blood Vestals to these plastic witch elves; the pose of the second from the left is particularly awkward.
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Wait, so the Blood Vestals are preferable and then you complain about price?
Five deadly Blood Vestals to terrorize and destroy your opponents.
Box contains 5 different Blood Vestals and 5 square 20mm bases.
TBD wrote: Wait, so the price of a box of spearmen stays the same, except we get 10 miniatures now instead of 16
Absolutely freaking amazing this is. Could have known though.
Could have been worse. They did this to Orc Boys, but without making new sculpts, just a repackage.
I think the old Ork Boys box went from16 miniatures for 30,- euros (not sure how much in the US) to 10 for 23,- euros. The same thing happened to the IG troopers (except they went from 20 for 30,- to 10 for 23,-). And recently of course the Dire Avengers went a step ahead of that going from 10(?) for 31,- to 5 for 26,-.
To get the same amount of mini's as before the (40K) Orks would now cost 36,80... the Guardsmen 46,-... and the Dire Avengers 52,-.
The Dark Elf spearmen would amount to 49,60 for 16 of the buggers. Not sure the new sculpts make up for the difference.
So unless I made some calculating error, unfortunately this is slightly better than the Dire Avengers but worse than the Orks
EDIT: the Fantasy Orc boys went from 19 for 30,- to 10 for 23,-... aka 43,70 to get the previous amount. Needless to say not cool.
The Witch Elves are not really 10, more 2x5, as there are only 5 non-modular bodies so why use plastic then? Because 10 minis for 45€ sell like hot cakes? I already have witch elves with 5 non-modular bodies, thanks.
BTW in Germany, the metal witches costed 40€ for 10 while available (one year ago).
Just wait until the Black Guard / Executioners kit hits. 70 quid anyone?
After seeing the more focused pictures of the Witch Elves the price is even worse. There's only 5, as Kroothawk said. Some of the Witches even have the same weapons and just different heads. They've turned the bases to try and fool you. If you're going to do a plastic kit, why make them just as modular as their finecast ancestors?
Cirronimbus wrote: Just wait until the Black Guard / Executioners kit hits. 70 quid anyone?
After seeing the more focused pictures of the Witch Elves the price is even worse. There's only 5, as Kroothawk said. Some of the Witches even have the same weapons and just different heads. They've turned the bases to try and fool you. If you're going to do a plastic kit, why make them just as modular as their finecast ancestors?
Because what works for armoured miniatures doesn't work for nekkid ones. The modular nature of GW kits gave us gems such as the current female Wyches, Daemonetess or Marauders. Pretty much all "soft" models in the range suffer from the same issue.
I'll take good looking fixed pose miniatures over mediocre ones I can pose.
We must have missed the announcement about Citadel FineSprue; now with fewer options so you don't have to take as long deciding how you want to make the models. This is great news!
Krinsath wrote: We must have missed the announcement about Citadel FineSprue; now with fewer options so you don't have to take as long deciding how you want to make the models. This is great news!
4/10. It was a good try, but you missed mentioning the HHHobby, Ward or Kirby. Also, no references to Zords. Please work harder in the future.
The witchelves are probably limited in customization because of the dynamic poses. If we had control over positioning the legs and such, we nwould of loss the fluid motion that they seem to have. Not defending GW im just tossing out an idea. I do like the new witches but I would of prefered some of them to be standing on the ground, the standard bearer looks silly jumping around
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grimdark83 wrote: The witchelves are probably limited in customization because of the dynamic poses. If we had control over positioning the legs and such, we would lose the fluid motion that they seem to have. Not defending GW im just tossing out an idea. I do like the new witches but I would of prefered some of them to be standing on the ground, the standard bearer looks silly jumping around
Oh damn this. I sold my entire Dark Elf army two months ago. I am extremely pleased with the new models, and the cover is just the proverbial icing on the cake.
AlexHeap wrote: Couple more pictures I don't think I've seen posted on here yet:
Seeing this model on the cauldron... it seems out of proportion to the two guard girls, smaller by a degree, in terms of length of limbs and size of head. It's noticeably off scale to them.
Also, it's the first model of the range I've seen that I'm less than impressed with, the mask/face is very poorly done.
Is it supposed to be Crone Hellebron? If so I'm rather let down. She was always my favorite, back in the days when she rode a manticore...
Yeah it is Crone Hellebron, While I dont dislike them model, I wish they made it match the same motion that the WEs are doing, If you put her in a WE unit she will look weird
More pictures, still absolutely nothing "OMG I must have that!" worthy. Quite the opposite in fact. The Bleaknouns are better than their predecessors, but that's a low bar indeed.
Sad in a way. I *wanted* to be tempted... I've always loved the Dark Elves.
Ugh. That mask on Hellebron is horrible. I hope it is a separate bit from the hair, but looking at the lines, I don't think so. Shame. Might have to see how she looks with a head swap.
grimdark83 wrote: Yeah it is Crone Hellebron, While I dont dislike them model, I wish they made it match the same motion that the WEs are doing, If you put her in a WE unit she will look weird
That is the reason I still prefer the Raging Heroes ones. This hoping style of the new WE is not really my taste, although I have to admit that they are good models
Andrew1975 wrote: So has any body else had enough of these crazy kits? I remember when the war alter was two guys carrying an alter. Then we go a giant statue, not sure how that moved. I always though it needed wheels. Now we get a Giant statue on Giant wheels with opera stairs and OH MY GOD CUT IT OUT. Now we have this giant expensive kit that honestly, who would ever bring to a battle. Witch elves running up stairs in high heals....
We get it, you remember when sodies was a nickle and you could fill up your tank for a dollar.
Something this size would have been plenty.
Also, your image is broken and is NSFW anyways.
no he's right, the scarface staircase is really stupid. it looks like a jumble of random crap thrown together.
if you seperate it out into individual models it could be used for stuff, the models themselves look ok.
the three elf chicks, the avatar onto his own base, the medusa. then i guess you could use a globogym statue with cauldron aswell as the staircase as terrain. stick it inside a castle or ruined building or something.
if they wanted some big model why not just have a matron mother on a throne being held up by male slaves surrounded by elite bodyguards? something like that?
can gw just buy dungeons and dragons drow elf IP? cause drow are cool but GW "dark elves" kinda suck. just sayin.
The Cauldron looks like it may be annoying in combat too. Those front stairs are going to be in my opponents second rank. Hopefully there's more space at the back of it..
I still like that model though. Reminds me of a vagina on wheels.
can gw just buy dungeons and dragons drow elf IP? cause drow are cool but GW "dark elves" kinda suck. just sayin.
The official (well we shall see if the new edition does away with it) term for the Dark Elves is Druchii. Drow is lame.
Such a shame GW has messed this release up, after the Dark Eldar overhaul I had high hopes of adding stuff to my force, even with GW's astronomical pricing. But as others have pointed out, the cost of the boxes combined with the ugly models makes it a total no go.
Hit up bartertown. My army is now complete again bar the hydra kit and got 57 corsairs and witches for less than 100 bucks heheh some still NIB.
The cover looks nice except for the jarringly huge helm crest on the guy. Any one that fights him just has to do a powerful over the shoulder shot and you just broke the elf's neck. Its the combat fighter in me, you wear as streamlined a helm as possible to glance shots. Decorations like feather plumes are worn on the back of the helm. Japanese helms are an exception but only leaders wore big head crests, they were destructable(meaning they sheer off on a hit instead of dragging the head), meant to be seen so they could lead, and were not expected to go directly into combat.
Col. Dash wrote: Hit up bartertown. My army is now complete again bar the hydra kit and got 57 corsairs and witches for less than 100 bucks heheh some still NIB.
The cover looks nice except for the jarringly huge helm crest on the guy. Any one that fights him just has to do a powerful over the shoulder shot and you just broke the elf's neck. Its the combat fighter in me, you wear as streamlined a helm as possible to glance shots. Decorations like feather plumes are worn on the back of the helm. Japanese helms are an exception but only leaders wore big head crests, they were destructable(meaning they sheer off on a hit instead of dragging the head), meant to be seen so they could lead, and were not expected to go directly into combat.
And come to think of it, elves don't even exists... hogwash, the lot of it!
It isnt so much that its fantasy that bugs me. I can suspend reality on a lot of thngs. I just see these silly things like over the top head gear(more than even the usual GWOTT head gear) and in addition to combat, how does this guy fit through the woods, go through doors, ride or fight in formation and so forth. Even taking the helm off is problematic, how the hell does he carry it and still do something? It isnt like he can just put it under his arm or strap it to his mount. You get a couple of these guys together and you have the Three Dark Stooges banging into each other any time they turn their heads to talk to each other.
Col. Dash wrote: It isnt so much that its fantasy that bugs me. I can suspend reality on a lot of thngs. I just see these silly things like over the top head gear(more than even the usual GWOTT head gear) and in addition to combat, how does this guy fit through the woods, go through doors, ride or fight in formation and so forth. Even taking the helm off is problematic, how the hell does he carry it and still do something? It isnt like he can just put it under his arm or strap it to his mount. You get a couple of these guys together and you have the Three Dark Stooges banging into each other any time they turn their heads to talk to each other.
Wizards.
Or more serious, semi flexible materials. You know there's real-life hats like that that people wore right?
Yeah, those helmets are completely out of control given the normally realistic scaling in their minis and art. Humanoids are supposed to be about 4 heads tall wielding 7 ft long weapons, right?
KoganStyle wrote: Such a shame GW has messed this release up, after the Dark Eldar overhaul I had high hopes of adding stuff to my force, even with GW's astronomical pricing. But as others have pointed out, the cost of the boxes combined with the ugly models makes it a total no go.
IMHO: This release is amazing.
OK, so I don´t like the Kharibdyss and the new warriors is kinda meehh (but still an instant buy as the old ones were horrible)- but the rest is top notch.
I especially like the Cauldron of Blood - and Medusa will get her own ride (as soon as I have added snake hair to my current Cauldron of Blood):
I have already ordered one of each from my local store and will pre-order the ltd armybook as soon as it is available.
Cannot wait until wave 2.
I know very few about dark elves but of the new models I´ve seen I simply cannot like the hydra as much as the previous metal variation, the remain stuff looks awesome and really nice posing but the hydra... i dunno just ugh...
That's one damn fine Cauldron you've made there. Well done. Personally, I can't wait for pre-orders to go up so I can get a better look at the Warriors. I know I'm for sure in for a book (want the limited, but should probably put that money towards a box of Witch Elves instead) and a Hydra, we'll see what else, and I still am super excited for wave two. Dark Riders had better be gorgeous!
can gw just buy dungeons and dragons drow elf IP? cause drow are cool but GW "dark elves" kinda suck. just sayin.
The official (well we shall see if the new edition does away with it) term for the Dark Elves is Druchii. Drow is lame.
That is wrong. Druchii is the name the Dark Elves call themselves (and some High Elves do as well). But in current fluff, even many High Elves call them Dark Elves.
BTW my Dark Elf army is Drow themed
Another thing: UK and US customers need a reason why they should pay the same price for 10 new warriors as for 16 old ones?
The new ones are in fantastic monopose to give you the full modular possibilities of ... monoposing them (like the fantastic new monopose Witch elves) :
Clockwork over at Warseer wrote:According to the White Dwarf, the Warriors are completely monopose. Legs, head and body are all attached in one single piece.
Also:
BramGaunt over at Warseer wrote:Got some infos on the new stuff today.
Kharybdis is WS 5, 5A, S7, T5, 4+AS. If all attacks hit, it deals an aditional d6 s7 attacks
Warhydra is s5, 5wounds. A is equal to number of remaining wounds +3. its a special choice
RBB is switched to special
Crossbowmen retain the option for shields
Bloodwrack shrine and cob are a chariot, which may narch and join units. Cob has a bound spell for frenzy and grants the unit he joins a 6+ ws (5+ in case of witchelves)
Bloodwrack medusa has a 4 shot s4 shooting attack wirh killing blow, and is monstrous infantey (s and t 4)
Models in b2b suffer a s4 hit with killing blow if they fail an i test
Sisters of slaughter gain a bonus to hit and to wound if their opponent has a higher ws ir strength. Their 4+ ward save only applies in close combat. They negate enemues ranks for combat resolution.
It was hinted that black guard and executioners will be more expensive.
(...)
Concerning the Witch Elves Kit:
I was told that anything stopping you from building 10 Witches and 10 sisters from one kit are extra legs. Everything else might be in twice - heads, arms, torsos, weapons. So if you happen to have fitting legs, from, say wytches, wood elf warriors, you might be able to get 20 Models out of that box. I know, it's a small comfort, but might still be something for you.
Oh, and, the Crossbow men are called Dreadthorns, if I recall correctly...
librerian_samae wrote:Picked up white dwarf, a few interesting bits not bought up before-
the medusae are sorceresses cursed by the goddess Atharti for being too beautiful, they don't have blood dripping FROM them rather they constantly ooze blood from festering sores.
Also the sisters of slaughter ritually shave their heads and use the hair to weave their whips from.
Another thing: UK and US customers need a reason why they should pay the same price for 10 new warriors as for 16 old ones?
The new ones are in fantastic monopose to give you the full modular possibilities of ... monoposing them (like the fantastic new monopose Witch elves) :
Clockwork over at Warseer wrote:According to the White Dwarf, the Warriors are completely monopose. Legs, head and body are all attached in one single piece.
That is... Most confusing.
Why update ugly core models and do such a half-assed job?
S'jet wrote: So multi-part plastic kit now means.... you can stick the arms on yourself.
Oh please. Let's not pretend that the previous kits really gave you a lot of freedom in terms of how things worked.
I would take monopose that rank up without having to label them over supposedly multipose that can really only be assembled and ranked up a few ways.
I am really liking the new Dark Elves. So much so I am selling off my excess painted khorne units & some 40k stuff & aliens stuff http://www.ebay.com/sch/bu11etmagn3tt/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from= in order to put together an all (nude) female DE army! ......and I am also in the middle of putting together an Ogre Pirate Army from Titan Forge.... Maybe I can ally the two?
Monopose plastics, seriously? Sorry but I fail to see why exactly we're expected to pay the premium price then. If the new warriors were $20 a box it would be great, I wouldn't care, but for what they want they need to do better than that.
All joking aside, GW are interacting with their userbase and furthermore I'm really enjoying the new pics? Sacrebleu! These DE models look great imo, it's really whet my appetite for the elite infantry and fafst cav models that are yet to come
edit:- Wow! Some seriously nice Dark Eldar conversion fodder amongst that lot too, can't wait to see what some of the more creative 40k players come up with!
Sidstyler wrote: Monopose plastics, seriously? Sorry but I fail to see why exactly we're expected to pay the premium price then. If the new warriors were $20 a box it would be great, I wouldn't care, but for what they want they need to do better than that.
So in other words, GW finally puts out a kit of high-enough quality to match the bs prices they're charging, and then jacks the prices up even higher so you still can't afford it.
$60 for ten models is fething stupid, and I seriously can't believe things have gotten that bad. Not touching WHF ever again and glad I sold what little Dark Elves I had months ago, there's no way in hell I could ever build an army of them. Wonder how long it'll be before we see our first $100 infantry box, it surely can't be that far down the road now.
Shadowblade looks even better in the 360 degree view.
The Beastmasters for the Hydra kit are almost as good as the monster itself, IMO.
Also it looks like they took the Lothern Sea Guard approach but expanded it a bit with the Warriors. Simple models with a few body options for your "command" that can also be used with some clever bits/swaps as rank and file.
Beautiful minis, I'm going to go ahead and buy a DE army but I sorted out my core with some cheap Corsairs bought off of ebay in anticipation of this release, I'll be patiently waiting for the next wave before deciding how big this army gets though, monsters and such will come from other companies.
That picture really puts it into perspective how expensive the GW hobby has become for me, I don't mean to be a negative ned but that pic really did make me look twice.
I still love the models, just can't afford 'em at those prices. Even at discounters it's a bit much to stomach! I can see myself spending £80 to round things off with GW minis, in all honesty.
Scrub wrote: Beautiful minis, I'm going to go ahead and buy a DE army but I sorted out my core with some cheap Corsairs bought off of ebay in anticipation of this release, I'll be patiently waiting for the next wave before deciding how big this army gets though, monsters and such will come from other companies.
That picture really puts it into perspective how expensive the GW hobby has become for me, I don't mean to be a negative ned but that pic really did make me look twice.
I still love the models, just can't afford 'em at those prices. Even at discounters it's a bit much to stomach! I can see myself spending £80 to round things off with GW minis, in all honesty.
Yeah very nice models but the prices are really getting crazy now.
I might be wrong but given the way 8th works that link essentially gets you one unit? Yikes!
Eldarain wrote: I might be wrong but given the way 8th works that link essentially gets you one unit? Yikes!
Yeah. It's not hard to spend upwards of $1000 or more on a Fantasy army (a real army, not this "one of everything"-style crap which is how GW thinks people play the game), and with prices going up like this it'll only get worse.
WHF in its current state isn't even worth playing anyway so I'd say save your money, but that's just me.
Sidstyler wrote: $60 for ten models is fething stupid, and I seriously can't believe things have gotten that bad.
You know that they are cheaper now right. They were 66 or so for 10 before the new kit.
So? They were overpriced before, and they're overpriced now. Six whole dollars doesn't really make much of a difference.
They also weren't a core choice before IIRC, so it was unlikely people would build an army of them anyway. GW expects you to build armies of them now and at $60 a box that isn't really doable.
35 quid for that? Are GW deliberately taking the piss now? That's twice as much than they should be. That's 20 pounds more than Corsairs, almost double the price of boxes like Kabalite Warriors and Wyches, and only a pound cheaper than a freaking Trygon. They look good, but so do a lot of things that are way cheaper. A lot of people are going to be buying two or more boxes. For the same money, or less, you can buy a battleforce.
That only helps GW though, it's still 10 models, lots of monopose. Yes its a dual kit, but you can only build one type of warrior. So its £35 for 10. That's £3.50 for a plastic soldier. That is too expensive.
My only annoyance is that the medusa isn't appearing in this wave of releases as a separate miniature - I hope it will appear as such in the near future because otherwise I foresee them being like gold-dust from broken down kits on Ebay.
corgan wrote: Am I wrong or the price of "The Cult of Khaine" box set is more expensive than if buying the boxes seperately?
The decription mentions a Sorceress, but the item list and pic leaves it out. That makes up the difference.
Probably you are right but this is what I read in the description:"It contains 4 boxes of Witch Elves/Sisters of Slaughter; and 1Cauldron of Blood/Bloodwrack Shrine."
Models are great, ill pay for em. Lets face it, their are plenty of places online you can get 25-30% off, or win some store credit at local gamiong stores in various tourneys...
On GW right now, their are no Black Guard or Executioneers... Think this will be the first time this year they do a double release?
d-usa wrote: That 360 of the Hydra isn't helping it much. I do hope that a good paint job will improve it.
I disagree, since I actually like the Hydra now that i've seen it 360. I still think the booby claws look ridiculous, but it shouldn't be too hard to trimmed them off
Warseer has posted the pics of the executionners and black guards, they are in the sample of the itune painting guide. From what I can see, they look great, especially the executionners.. Supposedly, there is also a pic of the darkriders in it.
Every month we will give one lucky Hobbyist the chance to have one of their painted miniatures (or squads, or regiments...) immortalised on the Games Workshop website. We will nominate one newly released Citadel miniature (or set of miniatures) for you to paint and set a deadline for you to submit a photo of it to us. We will choose our favourite from all submissions received and add that photo to that model kit's product page on our website where it will stay for as long as that product stays in our range. From that point on, every single person who views that model on our website will see your handiwork! We'll even include your name in the photo, so everyone knows whose painting they're admiring.
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streetsamurai wrote: Warseer has posted the pics of the executionners and black guards, they are in the sample of the itune painting guide. From what I can see, they look great, especially the executionners.. Supposedly, there is also a pic of the darkriders in it.
Ugh... I'm not liking the executioners. Don't like the masks. The Black Guard are very similar to the current ones.
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