I maintain that I'm not spending $6/model for core. I'd just as soon track down old metal models or use 3rd party.
If I buy that box, it'll be for Sisters only, and I'd use the heads for a swap perhaps on Daemonette bodies or something just to make the most of it.
Now that being said, this is my wife's army, so all the purchases are ultimately up to her, and she said she damn well better have a Medusa painted like the little mermaid, so that's happening.
Now the question is do I shell out double the money for an LE book?
Andrew1975 wrote: The Black Guard really look like they are just modified high elves, much like the warriors, not impressed.
Black Guard? Where?
EDIT: nvm, found it.
Right next to the executioners they have tall helms with a horse tail hanging from them.
Seeing as the corsairs are so cheap now compared to the warriors. I think I would rather use them if I needed more warriors.
I forgot that the capes are one piece though...i guess not.
Is it just that they did such a nice job with the dark eldar? I guess I was just expecting them to go in a different direction. I'm sure I can make better dark eldar and witch elves using the dark eldar boxes, they would be cooler and cheaper.
Gah, I'm really torn with this release, I've been needing to update my DE for some time, I've been wanting some witch elves and hoping for warriors with swords (I will not use those silly names GW has given them), now both are available but ridiculously expensive. £35 for 10 multipose models and £20 for 10 monopose models is crazy even by GW's own standards. Yes the quality is good but at that price it had better be because I can get a whole 500ish point army for Bolt Action for £35, and I'm sure anyone can figure out which is the best deal.
Oh well I guess I can shelve my ideas for completely redoing the army in favour of getting a couple of extra models and the new book. Of course if the Black Guard/Executioner and Dark Rider kits turn out to be a good price there's still the potential for some major additions.
the new WD sure makes all the minis look better than the leaked photos...
there is even a Hydra in a teal and blue scheme that looks awesome...
i have the last metal one, and it's cool, but the new plastic is impressive for its sheer size...
i think all the talk of the new Warriors has overlooked the cool weapons that come in the box...
the swords and crossbows look amazing...
one box of new Warriors will give a lot of extra weapons to jazz up the old Warriors minis, and make them look fresh...
The Warriors do look better with the better quality pics & 360 view, and the assassin is cool too.
I still think the Hydra is fugly though, and the Witch Elves only having five different poses combined with the insane price sure breaks that deal in a hurry.
Btw the Warriors kit now costs 25,- euros (instead of 31,-)... still 0,56 more per model, but not as bad as initially feared.
Scrub wrote: Beautiful minis, I'm going to go ahead and buy a DE army but I sorted out my core with some cheap Corsairs bought off of ebay in anticipation of this release, I'll be patiently waiting for the next wave before deciding how big this army gets though, monsters and such will come from other companies.
That picture really puts it into perspective how expensive the GW hobby has become for me, I don't mean to be a negative ned but that pic really did make me look twice.
I still love the models, just can't afford 'em at those prices. Even at discounters it's a bit much to stomach! I can see myself spending £80 to round things off with GW minis, in all honesty.
What is funny about that is that it is £9 more expensive than buying them individually. (4x£35 (£140)+£45=£185).
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Sorry for the wall of text, but I quite like that they are starting to do this. I just wish they were not starting with the Hydra.
The legal bits for that are hilarious, esp. this bit:
By submitting an entry, you retain ownership of all rights in your photograph, but grant GW a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide licence to use, copy, edit, adapt, publish, translate, create adaptions from, make available, communicate and distribute your photograph (in whole or part) and / or incorporate it in other works in any form, media or technology now known or later developed. To the extent permitted by law you waive your moral rights in your photograph.
As Herzlos over at Warseer puts: This sort of thing normally causes outrage on photography forums; it may provide a benefit to the submitter, but it's pretty much unveiled exploitation; "do this thing we normally pay for, for free, and we'll put your name on the website!"
I've always been one to give credit where it is due, and is this case, the models look great, some of the best GW have ever done in my view
But the prices...bloody hell!
£35 for ten WE?? Given the state of 8th these days, you would need at least 30 in a unit (to soak up bowfire and give the girls a chance to get into combat) so that's £105 for a unit of 30!!
I'm not sure of the points cost, but let's assume that a witch elf is 10 points = £105 for a three hundred point unit. Given that most people play 2000 point games, that is steep. Even for a small scale 1000 point game, that is steep.
£105 could get me a battle force, a bolt action army, a decent sized army for loads of game systems. Crazy, crazy prices.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I've always been one to give credit where it is due, and is this case, the models look great, some of the best GW have ever done in my view
But the prices...bloody hell!
£35 for ten WE?? Given the state of 8th these days, you would need at least 30 in a unit (to soak up bowfire and give the girls a chance to get into combat) so that's £105 for a unit of 30!!
I'm not sure of the points cost, but let's assume that a witch elf is 10 points = £105 for a three hundred point unit. Given that most people play 2000 point games, that is steep. Even for a small scale 1000 point game, that is steep.
£105 could get me a battle force, a bolt action army, a decent sized army for loads of game systems. Crazy, crazy prices.
So I can get 2x5 of same-bodied GW Witch Elves for 45 Euro OR I can get this:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I've always been one to give credit where it is due, and is this case, the models look great, some of the best GW have ever done in my view
But the prices...bloody hell!
£35 for ten WE?? Given the state of 8th these days, you would need at least 30 in a unit (to soak up bowfire and give the girls a chance to get into combat) so that's £105 for a unit of 30!!
I'm not sure of the points cost, but let's assume that a witch elf is 10 points = £105 for a three hundred point unit. Given that most people play 2000 point games, that is steep. Even for a small scale 1000 point game, that is steep.
£105 could get me a battle force, a bolt action army, a decent sized army for loads of game systems. Crazy, crazy prices.
i dont know if i could stomach painting 30 let alone 2000 points worth. if i ever decided to start playing fantasy again i think i would have to go for the unit fillers.
and those witches actually look really good. crazy expensive too lol.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I've always been one to give credit where it is due, and is this case, the models look great, some of the best GW have ever done in my view
But the prices...bloody hell!
£35 for ten WE?? Given the state of 8th these days, you would need at least 30 in a unit (to soak up bowfire and give the girls a chance to get into combat) so that's £105 for a unit of 30!!
I'm not sure of the points cost, but let's assume that a witch elf is 10 points = £105 for a three hundred point unit. Given that most people play 2000 point games, that is steep. Even for a small scale 1000 point game, that is steep.
£105 could get me a battle force, a bolt action army, a decent sized army for loads of game systems. Crazy, crazy prices.
i dont know if i could stomach painting 30 let alone 2000 points worth. if i ever decided to start playing fantasy again i think i would have to go for the unit fillers.
and those witches actually look really good. crazy expensive too lol.
Try going skaven - you need at least 200 models for a 2000 point force. The thought of having to file and glue 200 skaven models (legs, arms, shields etc) sends a shudder down my spine. I don't know how skaven players do it...
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Try going skaven - you need at least 200 models for a 2000 point force. The thought of having to file and glue 200 skaven models (legs, arms, shields etc) sends a shudder down my spine. I don't know how skaven players do it...
Back OT, the models are expensive.
It takes a special kind of insanity...<ahem> I mean, dedication, to play skaven....
OT: I'm buying the book, and maybe some of the Cauldron bits once they hit the bitz dealers. But there's no way in the world I can afford those prices for troops, so I'll be hitting ebay and the like to get OOP models for my needs.
Sorry, GW, but you've priced yourself out of my ability to patronize your business.
The legal bits for that are hilarious, esp. this bit:
By submitting an entry, you retain ownership of all rights in your photograph, but grant GW a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide licence to use, copy, edit, adapt, publish, translate, create adaptions from, make available, communicate and distribute your photograph (in whole or part) and / or incorporate it in other works in any form, media or technology now known or later developed. To the extent permitted by law you waive your moral rights in your photograph.
As Herzlos over at Warseer puts: This sort of thing normally causes outrage on photography forums; it may provide a benefit to the submitter, but it's pretty much unveiled exploitation; "do this thing we normally pay for, for free, and we'll put your name on the website!"
Can't wait to see the backlash from this.
That's pretty much just the same waiver you agree to when you post a photo onto Facebook and almost all of it's Social Media-kindred, isn't it?
No backlash needed. If you don't like it, don't play. Simples.
squall018 wrote: I do not play Dark Elves, but that LE army book is one of the coolest covers I have ever seen on a codex / army book.
Agreed, its lovely I am hoping they use it as a interior page like they did with the covers of the ltd ed Space Marine Codexes inside the normal one - seems to be a shame to just use it as a ltd ed cover
Apparently it also includes the plastic Sorceress kit.
Where do you see that. I've heard this argument, but no sorceress kit is listed in the contents or shown in the pictures, besides what is already included COB kit.
Wonder how the battalion is going to be set up. We'll likely see it next month with the Executioners/Black Guard and the Dark Riders/Warlocks.
Well based on the Cult of Khaine kit, it will be a rip off. You know GW charges for the convenience of one click.
Apparently it also includes the plastic Sorceress kit.
This Cult of Khaine 1-Click Collection provides you with a range of miniatures based around a Dark Elf Sorceress and her murderous coven. It contains 4 boxes of Witch Elves/Sisters of Slaughter; and 1Cauldron of Blood/Bloodwrack Shrine.
I... don't understand those prices. I don't get it. Games workshop want more players playing fantasy and they have those prices? What... sort of business model are they using?
I have a decent paying job and I dont want to pay that for a Witch Elf army; what about students? What are they going to do? To buy a block of 40 Witch elves which is a pretty standard core size nowdays would cost roughly 140 pounds. For one unit which will probably net you about 250 points once you have a command and whatnot. What?
Sorry, I had to rant. If they were cheaper, I would be buying a dark elf army right now. But I cant justify that.
Apparently it also includes the plastic Sorceress kit.
This Cult of Khaine 1-Click Collection provides you with a range of miniatures based around a Dark Elf Sorceress and her murderous coven. It contains 4 boxes of Witch Elves/Sisters of Slaughter; and 1Cauldron of Blood/Bloodwrack Shrine.
for using Dean Ambrose.
The price difference is exactly the cost of the Sorceress though.
Apparently it also includes the plastic Sorceress kit.
Where do you see that. I've heard this argument, but no sorceress kit is listed in the contents or shown in the pictures, besides what is already included COB kit.
I've got a question in to GW right now about it. This would not be the first time they have messed up labeling the contents of one of these bundles.
As to what I said, the item description says it is a "sorceress and her murderous coven". That does not fit for either Hellebron or a Death Hag, as they are not sorceresses.
Wonder how the battalion is going to be set up. We'll likely see it next month with the Executioners/Black Guard and the Dark Riders/Warlocks.
Well based on the Cult of Khaine kit, it will be a rip off. You know GW charges for the convenience of one click.
You know that this is not a "kit", right? You get the individual boxes, not a unique item.
Apparently it also includes the plastic Sorceress kit.
This Cult of Khaine 1-Click Collection provides you with a range of miniatures based around a Dark Elf Sorceress and her murderous coven. It contains 4 boxes of Witch Elves/Sisters of Slaughter; and 1Cauldron of Blood/Bloodwrack Shrine.
for using Dean Ambrose.
The price difference is exactly the cost of the Sorceress though.
Indeed. They have how long to put these pages together? It' not like they're thrown together he night before yet they seem to feth up these 1-click deals so many times.
You know that this is not a "kit", right? You get the individual boxes, not a unique item.
If I buy a bunch of individual tools and put them in a box thats still a tool kit right? That still makes it a kit and doesn't explain the extra price right?
You know that this is not a "kit", right? You get the individual boxes, not a unique item.
If I buy a bunch of individual tools and put them in a box thats still a tool kit right? That still makes it a kit and doesn't explain the extra price right?
Oh and wow boxes....WTF?
If you put a bunch of frames in one box, its a model kit. If you put a bunch of boxes containing frames into one bigger box, its a one click collection.
Tools and Tool kits have no relevance here as tools are not models.
You know that this is not a "kit", right? You get the individual boxes, not a unique item.
If I buy a bunch of individual tools and put them in a box thats still a tool kit right? That still makes it a kit and doesn't explain the extra price right?
Oh and wow boxes....WTF?
If you put a bunch of frames in one box, its a model kit. If you put a bunch of boxes containing frames into one bigger box, its a one click collection.
Tools and Tool kits have no relevance here as tools are not models.
Its still a kit, I have my football kit. Its the same. Semantics aside, it still sucks as a one click collection. Can't call it a one click deal because its not a DEAL.
GW fanboys have to argue semantics because you got nothing else. Sheesh?
If I put all the ingredients for a cake into a bag, is it a Cake Kit?
I'm not a GW fanboy at all. Lets not start throwing names around just because your too damn stubborn to understand the difference between a collection of model kits all under one button, and one model kit.
Bloodhorror wrote: This Cult of Khaine 1-Click Collection provides you with a range of miniatures based around a Dark Elf Sorceress
vague wording... I am at my local GW, and the manageris saying the same thing. A yet to be seen Dark Elf Sorceress (not the one in the caldron kit), is part of the deal....
Huh? Not in picture of deal. Vague wording. On top of that, the pic of deal looks like groups of 5 witches, not 10, very poorly done GW.... Dropping the ball like Xbox One!
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Wait a second, He is a special Chracter in plastic. Shadowbalde that is.
Could this be the start of phasing out FC?
They have already announced FC is being phased out.
Went to my local GW today and got a Limited book and some bits and pieces ordered for next Saturday. After having this wisdom tooth pulled last night, I figured what the hell.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Went to my local GW today and got a Limited book and some bits and pieces ordered for next Saturday. After having this wisdom tooth pulled last night, I figured what the hell.
What does this say about GW's prices that you have to be coming down from a drug-induced stupor to justify to yourself to buy them.
What does this say about GW's prices that you have to be coming down from a drug-induced stupor to justify to yourself to buy them.
Aye, that could be argued. Oh and I also approve of the Dean Ambrose, can never have too much WWE.
Regarding the Black Guard and Executioners, I like them both, will be aiming to get a squad of twenty for each. Hopefully the Dark riders and the chariot will also look pretty awesome.
BaconUprising wrote: Oh God they are hideous! All of these new models are...horrible...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ok ok that was harsh. I like the right hand on the bloodwrack medusa. That's it...
Whats not to like about the Medusa and the Witch Elves - they are some of the best versions that GW have done IMO. lots of movement and style, the Sisters of Slaughter I would more likely use in my Dark Eldar army. I also like the new crossbows - sadly I hate the prices of the Witch Elves :(
Curious as to what were you looking for in the new Witch Elves?
The entire range minus the derpy monster(never been a fan of trishs sculpts) looks fantastic. I ordered 6 WEs a cauldron and I even buckled and ordred the CE book aswell. 40 bucks for a slip cover woot
GW might make some bad artistic choices here and there but the shear volume of AMAZING bitz these days is overwhelming. There is no excuse for bad looking miniatures anymore... just convert it cool.
This release in no exception (Inq retinues and Dark Eldar are in for a treat)... some great individual pieces , it just so happens that when in the 'original factory' configurations things seem to get a bit goofy.
Bloodhorror wrote: If I put all the ingredients for a cake into a bag, is it a Cake Kit?
I'm not a GW fanboy at all. Lets not start throwing names around just because your too damn stubborn to understand the difference between a collection of model kits all under one button, and one model kit.
Seriously, its a box full of smaller kits, so what, you can still call it a kit. Is still makes no difference to the argument that the thing costs more than its components which are overpriced in the first place, but way to go trying to draw attention from it.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Wait a second, He is a special Chracter in plastic. Shadowbalde that is.
Could this be the start of phasing out FC?
One can hope. Also Hellebron.
Point, but I dont count her like i dont count the special characters in the empire bcause they come in bigger kits.
Looks to empire army(Just lrd and heroes models)
With the love fantasy Is getting I kinda want t start it. But I have to much on my plate
Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote: Gotta say, I'm really surprised that GW revamped the the Dark Elf core. Too bad they didn't do the same to the hideous "super-hands" HE core...
Okay, still arguing with GW manager... He insists the The Cult of Khaine deal comes with a Sorceress model...accounting for the extra $14.75...However, GW website reads -
Witch Elves observe Khaine, the Lord of Murder, with blood-slicked sacrifice and frenzied battlefield deeds. When a great host marches to war a Cauldron of Blood often accompanies the Witch Elves, driving them onto even more murderous rampages.
This Cult of Khaine 1-Click Collection provides you with a range of miniatures based around a Dark Elf Sorceress and her murderous coven. It contains 4 boxes of Witch Elves/Sisters of Slaughter; and 1Cauldron of Blood/Bloodwrack Shrine.
What I am reading is -
This Cult of Khaine 1-Click Collection provides you with a range of miniatures based around a Dark Elf Sorceress (*** that is from the cauldron box set ***) and her murderous coven. (This deal includes the following) It contains 4 boxes of Witch Elves/Sisters of Slaughter; and 1Cauldron of Blood/Bloodwrack Shrine. (Total of 5 boxes that bought separate is $315. Where is the sorceress blister? She is not pictured)....
bu11etmagn3tt wrote: Okay, still arguing with GW manager... He insists the The Cult of Khaine deal comes with a Sorceress model...accounting for the extra $14.75...However, GW website reads -
Witch Elves observe Khaine, the Lord of Murder, with blood-slicked sacrifice and frenzied battlefield deeds. When a great host marches to war a Cauldron of Blood often accompanies the Witch Elves, driving them onto even more murderous rampages.
This Cult of Khaine 1-Click Collection provides you with a range of miniatures based around a Dark Elf Sorceress and her murderous coven. It contains 4 boxes of Witch Elves/Sisters of Slaughter; and 1Cauldron of Blood/Bloodwrack Shrine.
What I am reading is -
This Cult of Khaine 1-Click Collection provides you with a range of miniatures based around a Dark Elf Sorceress (*** that is from the cauldron box set ***) and her murderous coven. (This deal includes the following) It contains 4 boxes of Witch Elves/Sisters of Slaughter; and 1Cauldron of Blood/Bloodwrack Shrine. (Total of 5 boxes that bought separate is $315. Where is the sorceress blister? She is not pictured)....
Thoughts?
If you're intending to purchase it just have him agree to include a sorceress if the bundle ends up not containing one.
bu11etmagn3tt wrote: Okay, still arguing with GW manager... He insists the The Cult of Khaine deal comes with a Sorceress model...accounting for the extra $14.75...However, GW website reads -
Witch Elves observe Khaine, the Lord of Murder, with blood-slicked sacrifice and frenzied battlefield deeds. When a great host marches to war a Cauldron of Blood often accompanies the Witch Elves, driving them onto even more murderous rampages.
This Cult of Khaine 1-Click Collection provides you with a range of miniatures based around a Dark Elf Sorceress and her murderous coven. It contains 4 boxes of Witch Elves/Sisters of Slaughter; and 1Cauldron of Blood/Bloodwrack Shrine.
What I am reading is -
This Cult of Khaine 1-Click Collection provides you with a range of miniatures based around a Dark Elf Sorceress (*** that is from the cauldron box set ***) and her murderous coven. (This deal includes the following) It contains 4 boxes of Witch Elves/Sisters of Slaughter; and 1Cauldron of Blood/Bloodwrack Shrine. (Total of 5 boxes that bought separate is $315. Where is the sorceress blister? She is not pictured)....
Thoughts?
If you're intending to purchase it just have him agree to include a sorceress if the bundle ends up not containing one.
I did just that! He said he will owe me a Supreme Sorceress blister if it is not there....
Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote: Gotta say, I'm really surprised that GW revamped the the Dark Elf core. Too bad they didn't do the same to the hideous "super-hands" HE core...
Yeah, no more hands as big as a head:
Those are a bit big, now that I think about it objectively. Still, a major improvement.
Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote: Gotta say, I'm really surprised that GW revamped the the Dark Elf core. Too bad they didn't do the same to the hideous "super-hands" HE core...
Yeah, no more hands as big as a head:
Those are a bit big, now that I think about it objectively. Still, a major improvement.
~Tim?
All the better to fit their big gloves. But seriously, I'll probably still paint those as gloves so they don't look as big. WAY better, IMO. Def might actually buy these...but probably not the witches...unless I really want to run sisters of slaughter.
I like the old armor better. It looked like laquored armor, or some kind of chitin. The new warrior armor is light armor, why does it look like heavy plate?
Col. Dash wrote: I like the old armor better. It looked like laquored armor, or some kind of chitin. The new warrior armor is light armor, why does it look like heavy plate?
High and Dark Elves have always had rather heavy armor modeled on them regardless of their rules being light armor for core.
Corsairs are a better representation of light armor, being leather. I don't know about you, but I consider head, torso, arms and legs to be pretty good coverage for armor, certainly a step up from just a chest piece and helmet which would be far more common and cost efficient for campaigning, as those are the areas that generally decide the different between a wounded soldier and a dead soldier.
Alas, perhaps Elven armor is super flimsy which is why a full head to toe set only grants a 6+
Looks fairly light to me, mainly just a helmet, breast plate, and vambraces. I don't imagine the chainmail skirt and leather boots providing much protection.
Is it still probably going to be a two month release? Because a lot of the rumored kits were not released.
Or were there just a lot of rumors but only some were true?
Also, no finecast, yay!
Was the move away from finecast actually officially announced? If so, when and where?
Made my pre-orders today (CE codex and magic cards) with plans to make more. I'm always of the sort to do my research first before ordering models. Plus I have like 6k of Dark Elves already so it's mostly me seeing what I need to fill in with.
I also got the White Dwarf, to scour the battle report for anything about rules and changes. Obviously, it is not a comprehensive list but here's what I've picked out:
Witch Elves are a Core choice now.
Hydras are a Special choice now.
Cauldrons of Blood can be pushed ala Screaming Bells. Not sure if it is by Khainites only, but logic would hold to that. Being pushed buffs the pushing unit for protection (did not specify what kind) and to buff their Murderous Prowess rule.
Murderous Prowess - re-roll 1s to wound. If pushing a Cauldron, re-roll ALL failed wounds.
Universal ASF.
The Medusa is a cheap rare choice, the report mentioned a shooting attack, but did not go into details.
Word of Pain is now -1 WS and BS.
The lore attribute mentioned something about "causing additional hits" but no details.
Hated High Elves common, only thing that has Eternal Hatred that I could find was Black Guard.
All them rules sound good, though it does sound like I'll be having to purchase a lot of Khanite models if I want my Cauldron to be useful. Does it have to be pushed?
Also, what happened to the Black Guard/Executioners plastic box set? Is that due for release later on?
curran12 wrote: Made my pre-orders today (CE codex and magic cards) with plans to make more. I'm always of the sort to do my research first before ordering models. Plus I have like 6k of Dark Elves already so it's mostly me seeing what I need to fill in with.
I also got the White Dwarf, to scour the battle report for anything about rules and changes. Obviously, it is not a comprehensive list but here's what I've picked out:
Witch Elves are a Core choice now.
Hydras are a Special choice now.
Cauldrons of Blood can be pushed ala Screaming Bells. Not sure if it is by Khainites only, but logic would hold to that. Being pushed buffs the pushing unit for protection (did not specify what kind) and to buff their Murderous Prowess rule.
Murderous Prowess - re-roll 1s to wound. If pushing a Cauldron, re-roll ALL failed wounds.
Universal ASF.
The Medusa is a cheap rare choice, the report mentioned a shooting attack, but did not go into details.
Word of Pain is now -1 WS and BS.
The lore attribute mentioned something about "causing additional hits" but no details.
Hated High Elves common, only thing that has Eternal Hatred that I could find was Black Guard.
Ok, so who won the Dark Elf battle report in WD? Please tell me, the suspense the is killing me!
bu11etmagn3tt wrote: Okay, still arguing with GW manager... He insists the The Cult of Khaine deal comes with a Sorceress model...accounting for the extra $14.75...However, GW website reads -
Witch Elves observe Khaine, the Lord of Murder, with blood-slicked sacrifice and frenzied battlefield deeds. When a great host marches to war a Cauldron of Blood often accompanies the Witch Elves, driving them onto even more murderous rampages.
This Cult of Khaine 1-Click Collection provides you with a range of miniatures based around a Dark Elf Sorceress and her murderous coven. It contains 4 boxes of Witch Elves/Sisters of Slaughter; and 1Cauldron of Blood/Bloodwrack Shrine.
What I am reading is -
This Cult of Khaine 1-Click Collection provides you with a range of miniatures based around a Dark Elf Sorceress (*** that is from the cauldron box set ***) and her murderous coven. (This deal includes the following) It contains 4 boxes of Witch Elves/Sisters of Slaughter; and 1Cauldron of Blood/Bloodwrack Shrine. (Total of 5 boxes that bought separate is $315. Where is the sorceress blister? She is not pictured)....
Thoughts?
I wonder if the Sorceress is perhaps scheduled to drop in November for separate release hence no official picture yet ?
I highly doubt we are getting another plastic sorceress since we got one last year. It was just a mistake on GWs part, they just forgot to include it in the pic
The Shadow wrote: All them rules sound good, though it does sound like I'll be having to purchase a lot of Khanite models if I want my Cauldron to be useful. Does it have to be pushed?
It read as if it was an option, but I think it is something where you get more benefits if you push it as opposed to hanging it back. But that is purely speculation on my part based on what's there.
Ok, so who won the Dark Elf battle report in WD? Please tell me, the suspense the is killing me!
The Dark Elves won, which was not a terrible surprise. As usual, the battle report I doubt was anything tournament-worthy, so the effectiveness of units is questionable. That said, 30 Witch Elves did kill (not run down, not break, but utterly kill) 30 Savage Orcs in a single head-to-head charge, so their power is certainly without doubt.
Well more pictures of the DE from Games Day. Surprisingly, no painted models. Only 3 ups and raw plastics.
Spoiler:
That Avatar is huge! It's on a 50mm for perspective.
From one of the battle scenes. The Dark Riders are the old ones, but don't recognize the lead character. Not making out the bits for a conversion. Might include new stuff.
d-usa wrote: I can imagine the Avatar showing up in some Eldar armies.
That's the first thing I thought the moment I saw the white dwarf. The size's clearly close enough and it looks "meaner" (read : spikier) so it could fit with more feral craftworlds (Biel-tan or Saim-hann maybe?) or even exodites.
Wow, those Dark Riders and Black Guard look sweet. I honestly really like the Executioners as well, I'd probably go for a deeper red color (that's what color I use for the rest of my Dark Elf armor), and I think it will look awesome. Looking forward to seeing the Cold One Chariot!
Also, who the heck let that awful green paint-job on the Hydra be "official" when there's that amazing teal one?!
Not the strongest argument but I rather have high quality miniatures for a few more bucks than low quality gak. My last black dragon took me ages to finish so the price doesn't really matter for me. 4.50/Wych is nothing that feels to expensive to me. For those who just want to play it might be a different story but if you take your time to paint it's ok. My fiancé for example paints a single core troop miniature in 20-30 hours. So her army takes ages to finish but the look is just awesome and she doesn't spend too much money per month on miniatures. Not the best for GW but well not her problem.
While I think the new Warriors look good (like IOB HE), I'm concerned about the conversion possibilities.
It wouldn't be so bad if you only needed a box of 10 or maybe 20 of them, but WHFB really pushes massive hordes of troops.
I do like how easy they look to put together, hopefully this will make it easier for people with no experience in model building to get things fielded.
Given the prices and numbers of models needed along with the numbers that now come in a standard box for core troop choices, does anyone else think that there's a possibility 9th edition might focus on a smaller blocks/troop formations again?
Or would that just annoy peeps who bought heavily into 8th? xD
I think it would be awesome if 9th "used less models". Or at least encouraged people to take a myriad of different units instead of the the same 3 or 4 you always see.
Scrub wrote: Given the prices and numbers of models needed along with the numbers that now come in a standard box for core troop choices, does anyone else think that there's a possibility 9th edition might focus on a smaller blocks/troop formations again?
Or would that just annoy peeps who bought heavily into 8th? xD
If it meant more people played fantasy, I could live with it.
d-usa wrote: I can imagine the Avatar showing up in some Eldar armies.
Agreed. And since it's plastic, even if people don't like the spikes they're fairly easy to get rid of.
Instead of updating perhaps the archetypal Craftworld Eldar HQ, they came out with a model that looks much better and is easier to convert, but which can only be purchased as a part of a $75 dollar model.
Clever girl, GW. Clever girl.
No doubt once they've sold enough of these kits, they'll then revisit the Avatar, making him slightly larger and a dual kit of some kind that justifies a $60 price tag.
Will probably pick up one or two of the new kits just to try them out. I'm sure the Hydra can work as something for my Beastmen. Perhaps the Medusa too, and just sell the kit it comes with.
d-usa wrote: I can imagine the Avatar showing up in some Eldar armies.
Agreed. And since it's plastic, even if people don't like the spikes they're fairly easy to get rid of.
Instead of updating perhaps the archetypal Craftworld Eldar HQ, they came out with a model that looks much better and is easier to convert, but which can only be purchased as a part of a $75 dollar model.
Clever girl, GW. Clever girl.
No doubt once they've sold enough of these kits, they'll then revisit the Avatar, making him slightly larger and a dual kit of some kind that justifies a $60 price tag.
Getting two next week as I want a Dark Elf shrine and Cauldron, but I'd already noted the size of the Avatar and noted where I can cut it/arrange the pose for a 40K Avatar for the lads Iyanden allies. Seems like it will be taller than the current GW one as well. Will share some pics in P&M once done.
Wow... Worse and worse... Kinda like the new Dark Rider steeds, but that's it. The riders are bleh...
And what's with all the masks? I get that its a design concept, but not every design concept works. And, for me at least, the masks to not work. At all.
Those chariots look just horrid. Who thought a unicycle was a good idea? Guess the same great mind that came up with the Slaaneshi wheat thresher.
Not feeling the executioners nor Black Guard either. More crappy masks. More attempts to shoehorn two models into one kit. Saves GW money, to be sure, but limits the design and increasingly makes it too obvious GWs trying to push the idea too hard.
I see the prevailing trend of "let's throw thin fragile bits on everything" continues. It's like GW is secretly in league with Battlefoam or something. The idea that you could transport these in a GW case without damage is ludicrous.
And I'm sorry, but sticking a sword blade on a peg leg looks idiotic. What's he supposed to do when he needs to cross some sand? or when he gets stuck on the deck of his own damn ship?
On the plus side, I see a lot of really cool bitz for Dark Eldar players. Executioner masks would look nice on Kabalite Trueborn, and new bare head variants are always welcome.
Agamemnon2 wrote: I see the prevailing trend of "let's throw thin fragile bits on everything" continues. It's like GW is secretly in league with Battlefoam or something. The idea that you could transport these in a GW case without damage is ludicrous.
And I'm sorry, but sticking a sword blade on a peg leg looks idiotic. What's he supposed to do when he needs to cross some sand? or when he gets stuck on the deck of his own damn ship?
On the plus side, I see a lot of really cool bitz for Dark Eldar players. Executioner masks would look nice on Kabalite Trueborn, and new bare head variants are always welcome.
That sword/peg leg model must take a pinning test prior to attempting any move, to see if he got stuck or not.
I quite like the models, I don't think they are bad but they don't grab me in any particular way either.
The executioners and black guard are my favourites, uninspiring but certainly nice models. The dark riders are a mixed bag for me, I'll stick to the wood elf converted ones methinks.
As for the black ark fleetmaster, he looks like something that's easily converted right out of a Corsair box. Totally naff for a standalone character imo.
Wow that post appeared after I posted... the ole bait and switch. *has a look*
Well the Executioners will be playing a big part in my army, loving the 'Immortals' feel they have about them. Black Guard also very nice.
Although I fully have to agree with MGS here.. what have the done to those horses, they look like Sulphet.. and I'll be frank I hate that damned goofy looking Pegasus.
Going to be converting .. somehow. masks maybe?? Trim the teeth, I don't know how I'll do it. but they need to change.
Also.. ah nice to see chariots that are more dangerous to the mounts that are pulling them, than the foes they are attacking.
edit - oh and that leg is coming right off.. some poor corsair will need to sacrifice a limb for the Captain.
TBD wrote: Damn those horses look horrible. That is another unit crossed off my potential buy list. And that chariot....
The Black Guard & Executioners however I like a lot.
None of these models are on my buy list because I don't play dark elves. It's certainly nice to see a fantasy army get an update. It's better than more power armor or more 40k.
TBD wrote: Damn those horses look horrible. That is another unit crossed off my potential buy list. And that chariot....
The Black Guard & Executioners however I like a lot.
None of these models are on my buy list because I don't play dark elves. It's certainly nice to see a fantasy army get an update. It's better than more power armor or more 40k.
Right, because WFB hasn't gotten any army books recently... except the times they get a book every alternate month.
oh no, the sword leg model is true *sigh*. Corgan, theres a rumor about a priestess of khaine blister, anything in the book look like a priestess of khaine other than the one on the cauldron?
Haha oh god those horses.
"Deeeeeeeeeerp I'm a horse!"
Would not be terribly hard to fix that by filing the teeth down a bit but man.
I love the new Dark Riders. Not sure about the shields though.
The Warlocks are laughable. The brief fluff blurb you can see reminds me of the Dark Eldar though, sacrificing the souls of others to get their own. I like the mask reminiscent of "Dishonored" on the one though.
The Black Ark Fleetmaster(new hero choice for a Corsair themed army ala the Seahelm? Awesome) would be a good model if not for the peg leg. Who thinks a sword peg leg is a good idea?
Executioners are awesome. I like the masks in lieu of helmets especially given that the masks are similar to those being worn by the Sisters of Slaughter and which also are worn by the Harlequin Death Jesters in 40k. It ties the Executioners into the Cult of Khaine visually.
The Black Guard are nice. They keep the visual aesthetic of the old Black Guard but add a bit more character. They have a very relaxed attitude coming from the models, as though they know they are the baddest dudes in town.
Can't take the chariots seriously. That thing would throw up so many sparks the second you started going over bumpy cobblestones.
TBD wrote: Damn those horses look horrible. That is another unit crossed off my potential buy list. And that chariot....
The Black Guard & Executioners however I like a lot.
None of these models are on my buy list because I don't play dark elves. It's certainly nice to see a fantasy army get an update. It's better than more power armor or more 40k.
Right, because WFB hasn't gotten any army books recently... except the times they get a book every alternate month.
Loving those dark riders, probably some of the best GW models I've ever seen (20+ years in the hobby)
Prices are still horse gak, though!
One final note, is it just me, or would that chariot struggle to cross an average suburban speed bump? So much for DE world domination!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Should add, is it just me, or is that fleetmaster with the sword leg gonna be in big trouble if he steps on a soda can! Still, handy leg for picking up leaves!
they're fast cavalry in rare with state 544431528, and M9 on horse. 25pts/per model. they only have hand weapon, but have 4+ward save except for wounds caused by model with mark of slaanesh or daemon of slaanesh. they're considered to be level2 wizard which is used like pink horrors. +1 for casting value for each extra rank except the first, to a max of +3. they know 2 spells, one is doombolt from DE army book(see #2221), the other is soulblight from lore of death. great unit.
I think the warlocks need a different paint job. I'm not blown away by them by any stretch, but I think we'll see alternative schemes that will make the models look much better.
I like the Black Guard and Executioners a lot. Dark Riders are pretty good...people are focused on the horses, but riders actually look like they're riding, a rarity for WFB.
The chariot is kinda odd, which is a shame since the kit has the new-style Cold Ones.
Should add, is it just me, or is that fleetmaster with the sword leg gonna be in big trouble if he steps on a soda can! Still, handy leg for picking up leaves!
I want to see conversions with trash stuck on his leg.
YES NEW DARK RIDERS WIN! Though the horses could do with seeing a dentist.
The Warlock unit sounds awesome and the Black Ark Character model is also awesome. Nice to see that DE get something to match the Sea Helm!
Those executioners also look very, very cool, though I'm not very impressed with the Black Guard or the Chariot (though it now means my converted chariot was not a waste of time nor money).
Is there any news on price? If the new Black Guard are pretty expensive, I'll stock up on the current ones, but if they're going to be good value for money, I may just wait.
Agamemnon2 wrote: I see the prevailing trend of "let's throw thin fragile bits on everything" continues. It's like GW is secretly in league with Battlefoam or something. The idea that you could transport these in a GW case without damage is ludicrous.
Just a thought, and it's slightly tinfoil hat, and a bit controversial, so Mods, I promise I won't take this any further beyond this comment but...
Plastic is much stronger than resin for thin pieces, and, if there were some clandestine industry that was trying to steal your product and sell it for cheap, but could only replicate it in, for these purposes, an inferior, more fragile medium, taking advantage of plastic's extra resilience in your sculpts would be an extremely effective way of making life hard for these people.
Is there any news on price? If the new Black Guard are pretty expensive, I'll stock up on the current ones, but if they're going to be good value for money, I may just wait.
Since it is a dual kit I expect it to be priced like the Witch Elves.
Kanluwen wrote: Haha oh god those horses.
"Deeeeeeeeeerp I'm a horse!"
Would not be terribly hard to fix that by filing the teeth down a bit but man.
I love the new Dark Riders. Not sure about the shields though.
The Warlocks are laughable. The brief fluff blurb you can see reminds me of the Dark Eldar though, sacrificing the souls of others to get their own. I like the mask reminiscent of "Dishonored" on the one though.
The Black Ark Fleetmaster(new hero choice for a Corsair themed army ala the Seahelm? Awesome) would be a good model if not for the peg leg. Who thinks a sword peg leg is a good idea?
Executioners are awesome. I like the masks in lieu of helmets especially given that the masks are similar to those being worn by the Sisters of Slaughter and which also are worn by the Harlequin Death Jesters in 40k. It ties the Executioners into the Cult of Khaine visually.
The Black Guard are nice. They keep the visual aesthetic of the old Black Guard but add a bit more character. They have a very relaxed attitude coming from the models, as though they know they are the baddest dudes in town.
Can't take the chariots seriously. That thing would throw up so many sparks the second you started going over bumpy cobblestones.
It's only once or twice a year that Kan and I agree 100% on something, and this year it only took about 10 months to happen.
I'll likely be kitbashing the chariots with HE ones, because I have eyes and the ability to reason.
BG/Exec look great, Dark Riders look great. Ridiculous character is ridiculous, but then I never run a sea themed army anyway.
I think the Fleetmaster is an option for the ridiculous chariot like the Sea Helm is for the Lothern Skycutter. If that is the case then there should be another leg option in the box.
Kanluwen wrote: Haha oh god those horses.
"Deeeeeeeeeerp I'm a horse!"
holy crap how did I miss that? Now I can't stop cracking up at work.
Yeah, I also missed it at first. Here the concept sketch:
Kanluwen wrote:Can someone photoshop the Fleetmaster with the sword peg leg being replaced with part of a leg from a Corsair?
Like this?
Summary: Now I am happy that I got enough of the old metal Dark Elves. The rest will be filled up with Gamezone and soon the Raging Heroes Dark Elf army.
If you want a less stupid Fleetmaster, replacing the sword leg with a normal leg with a boot blade could be a good way to stay WYSIWYG without being so stupid.
Not interested in the infantry kits. Riders looks nice and I like the steeds. Would make for cool nightmare mounts for VC armies too.
The only complaint I have about the chariot is that it was not pushed further. It really should have looked like the current Rider for DE, where the passengers hang on from the sides. I'll probably convert mine that way.
Every month so far... For each new release. Or do you mean specific to the models and with 360 views? That part is new-ish. But videos? they do those all the time.
TBD wrote: Maybe the chariot has a special catapult attack that launches the riders at the enemy as soon as they hit a bump in the road.
I hope so, because if that chariot hits a pothole, the riders will be getting launched anyway!
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AlexHolker wrote: If you want a less stupid Fleetmaster, replacing the sword leg with a normal leg with a boot blade could be a good way to stay WYSIWYG without being so stupid.
That fleetmaster gets more ridiculous with each passing moment. Presumably, he'll spend a lot of time walking about wooden, dark elf ships. Man, those ships will have a lot of holes in deck, thanks to that leg, so much so, they're probably sinking! And they expect us to take DE seriously! No wonder the witch king can't get the throne back if his minions are as dumb as that!
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Kanluwen wrote: Can someone photoshop the Fleetmaster with the sword peg leg being replaced with part of a leg from a Corsair?
I would if I could. Trouble is, it took me six months to figure out there was a quote button you could use to reply to somebody on this site instead of copying and pasting their sentences!
Kanluwen wrote: Haha oh god those horses.
"Deeeeeeeeeerp I'm a horse!"
holy crap how did I miss that? Now I can't stop cracking up at work.
Yeah, I also missed it at first. Here the concept sketch:
Kanluwen wrote:Can someone photoshop the Fleetmaster with the sword peg leg being replaced with part of a leg from a Corsair?
Like this?
Summary: Now I am happy that I got enough of the old metal Dark Elves. The rest will be filled up with Gamezone and soon the Raging Heroes Dark Elf army.
I'm not normally one to defend GW like this, but I like those dark riders. Horses at full gallop tend to bare their teeth like that. And I'll arm wrestle anybody who disagrees!
Kouran has stats of 596432739 and if he joins a unit of Black Guard they become unbreakable. He has a magic weapon called Crimson Death which grants +2 strength, and has a 5+ armour save from the Armour of Grief, which also creates a strength 5 hit against his attacker if he is hit.
Tullaris has stats of 566432739 and when he joins a unit of Executioners, they become frenzied. He has a magic great weapon which is called the First Draich. It gives him Heroic Killing Blow special rule.Hydra regeneration is as follows. If a Hydra is still alive at the end of your phase, roll a number of dice equal to the wounds lost. The Hydra regains a wound on each roll of a 4+.
The new Sisters of Slaughter are not brides of Khaine. They are arena fighters.
Cauldron of Blood gives a 6+ ward save to a unit it joins (5+ if Khainite). In addition, if a unit is within 6'' of the Cauldron of Blood, they can reroll all the failed rolls to wound.Cauldron of Blood also has a bound spell which can make them frenzy (if they are already frenzied, the get +2 attacks instead of +1).
No new special characters.
Malekith is 510 points on foot. Stays much of his rules, but now the circlet grants him a bonus dice if he failed his casting/dispelling attempts once per magic phase.
Black Guard are 15 points each.
Executioners are 12 points each and have killing blow
Cold One Knights are 30 points each
Bloodwrack Shrine has a special rule called called aura of agony that makes units from the Dark Elf book within 6'' +1LD, and all others -1LD, .
Witch Elves keep poison
Power of darkness is one of the two signature spells, and is cast on an 8+. Targets the caster's unit. All models in unit get +1S until the caster's next magic phase, and you recover D3 casting dice. If you rolled 3 dice, the caster suffers a wound that cannot be saved by armour.
Dark Elf have access to all eight lores now!!!!!!!!!!!
Repeater Bolt Thrower is now a special and costs 70 points. You may take up to four in a standard army.
Repeater handbows are now range 12''
Normal Repeater Crossbows remain the same.
Bleakswords are just Dark Elf swordsmen at 9 points each
Dreadspears are also 9 points each
Repeater Crossbowmen (Elves) are 12 points each and may take shields for an additional 1 point per model.
Dark riders are 16 points each and may upgrade to shields for 1 point per model. They can have both light armour and shield without losing fast cavalry (they come with light armour). Repeater Crossbows are 3 points per model
The new chariot with harpoon launcher costs 150 points. It has a profile of S4 T4 W4 with a 5+AS, M9, and two crew with spear and repeater crossbow. It has a harpoon launcher, which is like a bolt thrower but more powerful. It has S7, 24'' range, and cause D3 wounds, however if a monster suffers any wounds from it, the monster will be dragged D6'' directly towards the chariot. If the D6 roll is greater than 3, the monster will suffer an additional wound with no armour save allowed.
Warlocks are fast cavalry in the rare slot with stats of 544431528. They are 25 points each and ride Dark Steeds. They are only equipped with hand weapons, but have a 4+ ward save except for wounds caused by models with the mark of Slaanesh or are daemons of Slaanesh. They are considered to be a level 2 wizard which is used like Pink Horrors. They get +1 to cast for each extra rank except for the first, to a maximum of +3. They know two spells. One is doombolt from the Dark Elves deck, and the other is Soulblight from the lore of Death!
Shades are 16 points each with hand weapon and repeater crossbow. No armour but you can take great weapons or two hand weapons for 2 points per model.
Assassins are 90 points with poisoned attacks. They can get an additional hand weapon or a handbow. They have access to up to 50 points of magic items and also have the option to upgrade to one of three special poisons. One gives +1 to wound, one gives killing blow, and the other causes LD-1 for the rest of the game on a successful to wound roll.
No more pendent.
Sacrificial Dagger is still in for 25 points. After you cast a spell, but before a dispelling attempt is made, you can use the dagger. Remove a man from the unit, and roll a D6. On a 4+ you get an extra dice which must be rolled and added to the casting result before your opponent tries to dispel. If you roll 1-3 then you may try the dagger again and again until you get a dice.
Witchelves are initiative 6
Dark Elf sorcerer's casting dark magic gain a +1 bonus to cast. It is called HEKARTIS BLESSINGThe Sisters of Slaughter are rare options with a stat line of 564331629. They are 15 points each with shield and hand weapons. They can have a magic banner worth up to 50 points. They get a 4+ward save in close combat, and every close combat phase they can choose an enemy unit in base contact. That unit loses parry and and their rank bonus in the following combat result (but they can still be steadfast). If any enemy model in base contact with them have a higher weapon skill or strength value (before weapon bonuses), they get an additional +1 to hit and +1 to wound.
Those are horrible executioners and black guard are only slightly better. They should have just switched the current models to plastic. The executioner heads would have people laughing their asses off on the field.
Dark Riders look nice, but since I have over 30 converted ones I have no inclination to buy them.
Guessing those ugly assed white guy/things are the warlocks? Really, GW?
I like the fleet master, he looks cool aside from the sword leg, might have to greenstuff a real peg leg if there arent options and hopefully he will be a lord option.
So it looks like my total purchases for DE will be two or three hydras(2 hydras and one of the other things), the fleet master and the book. Nothing else looks decent appearancewise to put it on the table.
Bolt throwers 70 points each and 4 per army! I can write the army lists with put even bothering to buy the book! Hydras and bolt throwers ahoy. Don't know why they bother with black guard and executioners as anybody who is anybody will just plump for dark riders, crossbowmen, bolt throwers and hydras. Same as the last book!
Col. Dash wrote: Those are horrible executioners and black guard are only slightly better. They should have just switched the current models to plastic. The executioner heads would have people laughing their asses off on the field.
Paint the heads metal and it drastically changes the Executioners.
Not sure why everyone is down on the Executioners. GW have done fair worse. I have a use for those heads anyway. Quite like the Black Guard too, though as they will no doubt cost £40 for 5 models, I will probably pass
Those warlock things remind me of White Walkers from GoT. Wonder if that was the inspiration.
Flashman wrote: Not sure why everyone is down on the Executioners. GW have done fair worse. I have a use for those heads anyway. Quite like the Black Guard too, though as they will no doubt cost £40 for 5 models, I will probably pass
Those warlock things remind me of White Walkers from GoT. Wonder if that was the inspiration.
These where promising until I saw the horses heads, yes horses can do that though their teeth aren't exactly that pronounced. And why in the world would you put that on a model! I'm thinking replace the heads with either chaos marauder or chaos chariot horse heads though the chariot heads may be too big.
For some reason I really like the head on the left, it's nice to see that GW is branching out and making some elven heads with character to them. Pretty promising for conversions in the Eldar/Dark Eldar/High Elf/Wood Elf ranges
I'm seeing a Dark Eldar Mandrake conversion being born somewhere.
These are probably my favorite models in the release so far!
I'm pretty impressed with the models being released this go around, there are a few warts on the frog (hydra heads, horse heads, and for some reason I don't understand how the chariot is supposed to move) but the rest of it looks pretty good. The Witches actually look like women, the Kharibdys model makes up for the hydra heads and I REALLY like the beastmasters, despite what has been said about the stairs and the blood strings the Cauldron and Medusa look awesome especially for being plastic kits, the basic troops are much improved over their previous versions (if only HE spearmen got the same treatment), the Black Guard/Executioners look great, besides the horse heads and twin pony tails the Dark Riders look pretty good as well. All in all I'd say this will be a pretty good release
Kanluwen wrote: I would not be surprised to see the Executioners/Black Guard at the same price point as the Shadow Warrior/Sisters of Avelorn kit.
Which still sucks, pricewise.
As I said on an earlier post, new DE lists will be bolt thrower/crossbow/dark rider/hydra spam. I'm beginning to agree with the sentiments on other threads that argued that GW always does this with an army book - they make some units great, and other units not worth the plastic they're moulded from. Maybe one day, we'll get some decent rules.
And before anybody says you haven't even seen the new army book yet, I say that 20+ years in the hobby trumps that. I know GW like the snot in my nose!
The more I see of the horses the more I'm starting to think that they are not intended to be generic stolen Ellyrion horses, but rather Ellyrion horses that have been corrupted via Dark Magic.
Still makes the teeth stupid but explains the strange "spikes" on the horses.
Also I have realized that now we're not going to get Raven Heralds for the High Elves. The shields that the Dark Riders have are emblazoned with ravens.
There are a few things that come to mind about this release and peoples' reactions to it that I think are worth considering:
1) This is a total revamp of the army's imagery. It's very apparent where GW has totally abandoned Fitzpatrick's work on the dark elves to return to the imagery of the race from warhammer's early days. The emblems on the shields and the executioner's masks are all indicative of that shift. I wouldn't begin to suggest that people must like this move, but when considering the executioner's masks, I think one needs to consider it.
2) This is all plastic. That is absolutely huge. There are complaints about the sword peg-leg and the horses' teeth. But because it's plastic it is so easily remedied!
3) GW's approach to designing units is to be out there. The dark elf chariot, the peg-leg, the horses' teeth, the stair case cauldron, etc., are all things that make the dark elves look definitively different than other races' models (particularly the high elves, which are the most obvious comparison). This differentiates them from competitors (for good and bad) and makes each army absolutely unique. It's no longer possible to say the dark elves are just high elves with spikes!
I would absolutely love to start a new army with these models. That they're all plastic and that there's a standard across them both make having a unified army appearance much easier. But GW have priced themselves out of my wallet!
It's a unicycle. The idea is cool as far as I'm concerned, even if it would probably drive worse than a regular chariot (and those things were not good war machines, ever).
Overall, I am impressed with the new look, and the fact that they have re-done the entire line...(I am still waiting on some skaven units that need plastics/redesigns...gutter/night runners, globadiers, plague monks, assassins, warmachines, jezzails, etc.). The prices are what is keeping me from starting an army with this release...
However, I have been collecting representative models for the random monster tables in the Warhammer Quest roleplay book for the past 10 years or so...so eventually I will be getting some of these...thankfully, I will only need about a dozen each of the witches, black guard, spearmen/crossbowmen, and a hydra. After this release, I think we will have plastic models for everything on those lists, save a few monsters and the Skaven models mentioned above...and Chaos Dwarfs. Its not likely that Chaos Dwarfs will ever get plastic models from GW, so I'm stuck with grabbing the FW ones...not bad looking...and now, not that much more expensive than the GW models (sadly). We just need them to make some hobgoblins >
Automatically Appended Next Post: I forgot to comment...is it just me, or did they make the spearmen/crossbowmen's hands WAY too big? I thought we got the proportion problems sorted out already....this is almost as bad as the giant hands on the old 'monkey' skaven, or the 6th ed. plastic night goblins!
OK, now I see the problem with the horses. Yeah its an issue. Dark Rider horses are supposed to be beautiful specimens of the horses, not corrupted bad things. The beautiful part is supposed to be similar in nature to all of DE, beautiful but cruel and deadly. Leave the corruption and weird nastiness to chaos and undead.
IMHO, the Executioners and new Warriors (whatever their new names are) are not BAD per se, but rather disappointing. It's like whoever did them is not the same person who did the Corsairs and Cold One cavalry, which is a shame cause those kits are ace. The new Warriors are certainly an improvement over the old, but they don't rise to the level of design and sculpting quality as the Corsairs. I don't know why GW doesn't have their top designers/sculptors doing ALL of their stuff. Like, why even bother with anyone but Jes Goodwin for 40k? (now that Diaz, the closest in ability, is gone). If they had the Corsair designer do the new Warriors and Executioners, I'd have been very hard pressed not to buy them. And I don't play Fantasy at all.
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: There are a few things that come to mind about this release and peoples' reactions to it that I think are worth considering:
1) This is a total revamp of the army's imagery. It's very apparent where GW has totally abandoned Fitzpatrick's work on the dark elves to return to the imagery of the race from warhammer's early days. The emblems on the shields and the executioner's masks are all indicative of that shift. I wouldn't begin to suggest that people must like this move, but when considering the executioner's masks, I think one needs to consider it.
2) This is all plastic. That is absolutely huge. There are complaints about the sword peg-leg and the horses' teeth. But because it's plastic it is so easily remedied!
3) GW's approach to designing units is to be out there. The dark elf chariot, the peg-leg, the horses' teeth, the stair case cauldron, etc., are all things that make the dark elves look definitively different than other races' models (particularly the high elves, which are the most obvious comparison). This differentiates them from competitors (for good and bad) and makes each army absolutely unique. It's no longer possible to say the dark elves are just high elves with spikes!
I would absolutely love to start a new army with these models. That they're all plastic and that there's a standard across them both make having a unified army appearance much easier. But GW have priced themselves out of my wallet!
I agree with a lot of this, but I think the reason for the "out there" designs is to make their IP more protectable. They're realized that they can't protect a generic "evil elf" at all...
That said, I really like the wave 2 models more than wave 1! A lot of these look quite good.
Is there any news on price? If the new Black Guard are pretty expensive, I'll stock up on the current ones, but if they're going to be good value for money, I may just wait.
Since it is a dual kit I expect it to be priced like the Witch Elves.
That's what I fear.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Bolt throwers 70 points each and 4 per army! I can write the army lists with put even bothering to buy the book! Hydras and bolt throwers ahoy. Don't know why they bother with black guard and executioners as anybody who is anybody will just plump for dark riders, crossbowmen, bolt throwers and hydras. Same as the last book!
Why do they always OPDE? Why??
Oh yeah, like those really OP 70 point Bolt Throwers that HE have too. We haven't seen Hydra's points value and its regeneration has been nerfed slightly, other stuff about it may have been too. Crossbowmen have gone up two points for no apparent change, except for the army-wide benefits all the other units get.
I like the look of the new rules though, can't wait until Saturday!
I dunno.... the Hydra only appears to be 10 points more expensive than the current one with a more consistent Breath Weapon. It's regeneration is no longer comparable to a Feel No Pain save and it's instead more like Tyranid's regeneration shenanigans but better. Could be useful.
Hydra is more resilient against small fire, but considerably less resilient against war machines and in combat. As a beastmen player, I fear the hydra much less than I did before. I assume it lost hatred too. Probably a pretty balanced monster for the points.
RXB are 2 pts more, which probably makes them balanced. They were too cheap in the previous edition (along with most everything in the armybook).
Aerethan wrote: Called it: Pendant is gone, Dagger is nerfed out of use.
On the upside Assassins can take magic items now, so those may be actually useful, and the KB/+1 to Wound poisons could be handy.
I think you are too use to the OP nature of the original dagger to see that it is still a damn good deal for its points. You are clearly lacking in your vision with the potential with new book. You will still see it in most DE lists on the level 4. Especially now that they have access to Life. Who cares if troops die, you grow them back. You will see a many life tricks combined with the new monsters to help keep them alive. Heck, Life will be brutal with WE/Cauldron and Exc/Cauldron death stars.
One note on the DE bolt throwers, on Warseer they are claiming the DE ones lost the multi-shot option.
As much as I used it, I totally get why the Pendant was nerfed. It needed it. Bad. Especially for 35 points.
I never ran super magic heavy lists, so the Dagger nerf doesn't hurt me as badly, so a wash there. But I like the Life option on my mages...THAT is good times.
Those warlocks are perfect to make driders, if you combine them with the O&G spider. Plus, this way youll be able to make a unit and dark rider and warlock with the same kit (just have to buy 5 spider in a bits store).
TBD wrote: Maybe the chariot has a special catapult attack that launches the riders at the enemy as soon as they hit a bump in the road.
I hope so, because if that chariot hits a pothole, the riders will be getting launched anyway!
To be fair, any chariot without a spring suspension would be very, very uncomfortable in rough terrain, and if moving at any speed, would pretty much disintegrate if hitting a pothole. It's why Roman chariot racing was such a bloodsport.
It's a unicycle. The idea is cool as far as I'm concerned, even if it would probably drive worse than a regular chariot (and those things were not good war machines, ever).
OH ok that makes sense now, still doesn't make sense from a logic standpoint but it's a fantasy game so we'll call it good.
It's a unicycle. The idea is cool as far as I'm concerned, even if it would probably drive worse than a regular chariot (and those things were not good war machines, ever).
OH ok that makes sense now, still doesn't make sense from a logic standpoint but it's a fantasy game so we'll call it good.
Something akin to flying chariots actually exists in real life; the towed glider. The problem with the Skycutter is only the execution: instead of drawing on gliders or kites for inspiration, they made it a boat.
I don't think I've ever been more excited about anything in my life than I am right now about the Bloodwrack Medusa. Can we talk about how awesome a miniature that is?
ghosty wrote: I don't think I've ever been more excited about anything in my life than I am right now about the Bloodwrack Medusa. Can we talk about how awesome a miniature that is?
Like most things GW put out anymore, it has one glaring flaw that ruins the whole model: sculpted-on blood bukkake.
There's also the fact that you have to spend $75 on the shrine to get that model, so if you're not a fan of the rest of the kit (and I'm not, the statue is awesome but not $75 awesome) then that's a really expensive gorgon.
ghosty wrote: I don't think I've ever been more excited about anything in my life than I am right now about the Bloodwrack Medusa. Can we talk about how awesome a miniature that is?
Like most things GW put out anymore, it has one glaring flaw that ruins the whole model: sculpted-on blood bukkake.
There's also the fact that you have to spend $75 on the shrine to get that model, so if you're not a fan of the rest of the kit (and I'm not, the statue is awesome but not $75 awesome) then that's a really expensive gorgon.
Then wait three months for the bitz dealers to get it in. It'll still be pricy (they've got to make up the cost of the bitz that won't sell), but I imagine the hag options, the medusa, and the statue will be under $25 each.
ghosty wrote: I don't think I've ever been more excited about anything in my life than I am right now about the Bloodwrack Medusa. Can we talk about how awesome a miniature that is?
Like most things GW put out anymore, it has one glaring flaw that ruins the whole model: sculpted-on blood bukkake.
There's also the fact that you have to spend $75 on the shrine to get that model, so if you're not a fan of the rest of the kit (and I'm not, the statue is awesome but not $75 awesome) then that's a really expensive gorgon.
Protip: never let anyone know that you're excited about a GW release. Other people are sure to respond with everything they hate about the release. Essentially, anything less than loathing for everything GW must be stamped out. If GW found a cure for cancer, people would still hate them.
Then wait three months for the bitz dealers to get it in. It'll still be pricy (they've got to make up the cost of the bitz that won't sell), but I imagine the hag options, the medusa, and the statue will be under $25 each.
That's what I'm planning to do. The Gorgon will be totally perfect for use with my WHFB skirmish ruleset.
Actually, there's a lot I like in this release. Admittedly, I find the Hag on the Shrine a bit too 'old school Dark Elf' for me (I never likes giant hair and silly masks) but everything else looks good. I don't even have an issue with the strange set up of the Chariot!
ghosty wrote: I don't think I've ever been more excited about anything in my life than I am right now about the Bloodwrack Medusa. Can we talk about how awesome a miniature that is?
Its the best mini of the release. The blood can just be painted as slime or the like.
Something is wrong. Usually I'm the guy who hates every GW release while everyone else gushes over them and promises to buy 5 of each. Now everyone else is complaining about these models and honestly, I like almost all of them.
Executioners - Aside from the one in the middle who looks like he has a mohawk (though I think it's something on his back), these look good to me. Only thing I'd change is I'd paint the masks the same color as the armor. Oh, and ditch the head in the champion's heads. Because that was stupid when the beastmen did it and they at least had a reason.
Chariots - I'm a big fan of chariots in general and my only complaint is that these don't look like they've been constructed with real-world craft skills. But I'll forgive it because the horse one looks badass. The Cold One chariot will look badass once those silly blades are taken off the front.
Blackguard - Once again, my only complaint is paint job, the light color lining the face gap on the helmets looks weird.
Dark Riders - Captain twin pony-tail aside, I think these look grea- oh no I saw the teeth and now I can't unsee them. Oh well. I hope this can be fixed with a file.
Warlocks(?) - I don't get what this unit is supposed to be. I don't get why they're holding their swords backwards. But aside from the horse teeth, I think these guys look solid.
Cap'n Swordleg - No. Just no.
So really, aside from some small problems that can hopefully be fixed by conversions or assembly choices, these are good models. As long as you leave out Cap'n It-was-a-good-design-while-I-was-stoned.
Really, I don't get why so many people are upset about this release. They're all great models. Now all you have to do is find them for a decent price and oh now I get it.
Just for a minute imagine, how awesome (and compatible with current fluff) it would have been to have a unit of sorceress cavalry.
Maybe some other manufacturer can fix that demand.
Mr Morden wrote: Interesting that they seem to be male Sorcerers - Malkeith is not normally keen on male magic users in his realm?
Anyone else think that Morathi seems less mentioned than normal - given her unatural hold over her son and his realm.
Yeah, unless they've gone back on years of fluff about Malekith's paranoia regarding the prophecy.
Also, that is weird. He usually refers to her on most major plans such as every invasion of Ulthuan to see whether the threads of fate are in his favour.
Of course, the last book had him going from a passionate ill-tempered maniac to a cold-hearted plotter after his last defeat and exile into Chaos. Perhaps her hold on him HAS slipped, as her charms might no longer have the influence over him they once did...
I suppose she did sepnd alot of her time and his resources plundering Lustria including enacting various pacts with Slaanesh and flouting the rules (once again) about this.
Maybe she is just not considered as reliable an advisor or she is loosing her touch in bed Also with Heleborne getting her own new model -maybe power is swinging back her way.
Interested to see what GW does this with these elements.....
Mr Morden wrote: Interesting that they seem to be male Sorcerers - Malkeith is not normally keen on male magic users in his realm?
Anyone else think that Morathi seems less mentioned than normal - given her unatural hold over her son and his realm.
Yeah, unless they've gone back on years of fluff about Malekith's paranoia regarding the prophecy.
Also, that is weird. He usually refers to her on most major plans such as every invasion of Ulthuan to see whether the threads of fate are in his favour.
Given their ward save isn't suppose to work against Mark of Slaanesh troop and demons, they could be like the old Druchii Anointed from the Cult of Slaanesh list. They are half-demons and pull their powers from that and not actual sorcerers? Speculation at this point. But with Matt Ward, he has a history of ignoring/re-writing fluff. Sometimes pulling 180 of what it originally was.
Mr Morden wrote: Interesting that they seem to be male Sorcerers - Malkeith is not normally keen on male magic users in his realm?
Anyone else think that Morathi seems less mentioned than normal - given her unatural hold over her son and his realm.
Yeah, unless they've gone back on years of fluff about Malekith's paranoia regarding the prophecy.
Also, that is weird. He usually refers to her on most major plans such as every invasion of Ulthuan to see whether the threads of fate are in his favour.
Given their ward save isn't suppose to work against Mark of Slaanesh troop and demons, they could be like the old Druchii Anointed from the Cult of Slaanesh list. They are half-demons and pull their powers from that and not actual sorcerers? Speculation at this point. But with Matt Ward, he has a history of ignoring/re-writing fluff. Sometimes pulling 180 of what it originally was.
Hmm or like the Sisters of Carnage - is reusing Dark Eldar ideas - so they are like Mandrakes
Mr Morden wrote: Interesting that they seem to be male Sorcerers - Malkeith is not normally keen on male magic users in his realm?
Anyone else think that Morathi seems less mentioned than normal - given her unatural hold over her son and his realm.
Yeah, unless they've gone back on years of fluff about Malekith's paranoia regarding the prophecy.
Also, that is weird. He usually refers to her on most major plans such as every invasion of Ulthuan to see whether the threads of fate are in his favour.
Given their ward save isn't suppose to work against Mark of Slaanesh troop and demons, they could be like the old Druchii Anointed from the Cult of Slaanesh list. They are half-demons and pull their powers from that and not actual sorcerers? Speculation at this point. But with Matt Ward, he has a history of ignoring/re-writing fluff. Sometimes pulling 180 of what it originally was.
Hmm or like the Sisters of Carnage - is reusing Dark Eldar ideas - so they are like Mandrakes
Um, how exactly are the SoC reusing Dark Eldar ideas? If you're suggesting they came from Wyches then you've got it backwards. If anything Dark Eldar Wyches were inspired by Dark Elf Witch Elves.
ghosty wrote:Actually, there's a lot I like in this release. Admittedly, I find the Hag on the Shrine a bit too 'old school Dark Elf' for me (I never likes giant hair and silly masks) but everything else looks good. I don't even have an issue with the strange set up of the Chariot!
I like the release too! You're not alone, don't worry!
Mr Morden wrote:Interesting that they seem to be male Sorcerers - Malkeith is not normally keen on male magic users in his realm?
Anyone else think that Morathi seems less mentioned than normal - given her unatural hold over her son and his realm.
Very good point. Though looking at the models, they don't seem to be "elf", so maybe they don't count. Maybe they're some manifestation of magic or something.
GW have removed Black Guard and Executioners from their online store too. And I can't find them on gifts for geeks either. Interesting...
I really hope that Mat Ward has a good explanation for male warlocks and medusas in the army.
He never gave one why Inquisition now has Xenos units or why Grey Knights do blood rituals when confronted with a Blood Daemon.
Kroothawk wrote: I really hope that Mat Ward has a good explanation for male warlocks and medusas in the army.
He never gave one why Inquisition now has Xenos units or why Grey Knights do blood rituals when confronted with a Blood Daemon.
"....and Malekith decreed that male magic users were A-OK in Naggaroth. Because.... reasons."
Kroothawk wrote: I really hope that Mat Ward has a good explanation for male warlocks and medusas in the army.
He never gave one why Inquisition now has Xenos units or why Grey Knights do blood rituals when confronted with a Blood Daemon.
Not to pile on any Ward hate, but these are some examples of why such hate exists. It's lazy imagination/writing if you ask me.
Kroothawk wrote: I really hope that Mat Ward has a good explanation for male warlocks and medusas in the army.
He never gave one why Inquisition now has Xenos units or why Grey Knights do blood rituals when confronted with a Blood Daemon.
"....and Malekith decreed that male magic users were A-OK in Naggaroth. Because.... reasons."
They were okay before this book. Malekith might have decreed that male magic users should be put to death because reasons--that did not mean that they did not exist nor that the other Houses did not use them.
Kroothawk wrote: I really hope that Mat Ward has a good explanation for male warlocks and medusas in the army.
He never gave one why Inquisition now has Xenos units or why Grey Knights do blood rituals when confronted with a Blood Daemon.
"....and Malekith decreed that male magic users were A-OK in Naggaroth. Because.... reasons."
Male casters were already back in the last book. Malekith's decree is still there and they operate underground . They are essentially rogue casters used by factions that don't want to deal with the Sorceress Covenant. AKA, non-union.
*edit* @Kanluwen, the whole Malekith Decree is tied to a prediction that a druchii male caster will overthrow and kill him.
Regarding the bunny-horses, I was thinking of using the Glade Rider horses with the Dark Rider bodies...assuming I am willing to cough up the money for that...The GR horses are probably the best looking horses that GW makes.
spyguyyoda wrote: Regarding the bunny-horses, I was thinking of using the Glade Rider horses with the Dark Rider bodies...assuming I am willing to cough up the money for that...The GR horses are probably the best looking horses that GW makes.
The common conversion was 2 boxes of Glade Riders and 1 box of Warriors -> 16 Dark Riders, which is more than most players will ever need. You use the warrior heads, arms, and torsos with the Glade Rider legs and horses.
Ehh, they're there. A bit undersold, perhaps. The real question is, why make a hydra when you can make that crazy blue thing above it! A charybdis or whatever. Man... Crazy looking.
Also, i love that almost naked Witch in the alternate codex cover, and found it so funny that the real models actually use a breastplate...
"Our models can have skulls and blood driping everywhere, but nudity is to much"
Im looking at my LE book right now and the witchelf on the cover has about the same amount of clothing on as the models, and nudity does not belong on toy soldiers anyway
Also, i love that almost naked Witch in the alternate codex cover, and found it so funny that the real models actually use a breastplate...
"Our models can have skulls and blood driping everywhere, but nudity is to much"
Im looking at my LE book right now and the witchelf on the cover has about the same amount of clothing on as the models, and nudity does not belong on toy soldiers anyway
Also, i love that almost naked Witch in the alternate codex cover, and found it so funny that the real models actually use a breastplate...
"Our models can have skulls and blood driping everywhere, but nudity is to much"
Im looking at my LE book right now and the witchelf on the cover has about the same amount of clothing on as the models, and nudity does not belong on toy soldiers anyway
Well it depends on context and in this context, it is entirely appropriate for the witch elf to have basically no clothes on.
New Dark Riders are simple awesome! Light cav with all light cav benefits plus a 4+ as *drool* after over 20 years I will get good models plus good/awesome rules. New book is definitely a really good one and a pretty strong one.
Aye to be fair though, to any Druchii fan that was a no brainer. Cover art of a Dark Lord, or Witch Elves... the dust jacket will be chucked in the corner once I get home on Saturday.
Kroothawk wrote: I really hope that Mat Ward has a good explanation for male warlocks and medusas in the army.
He never gave one why Inquisition now has Xenos units or why Grey Knights do blood rituals when confronted with a Blood Daemon.
"....and Malekith decreed that male magic users were A-OK in Naggaroth. Because.... reasons."
They were okay before this book. Malekith might have decreed that male magic users should be put to death because reasons--that did not mean that they did not exist nor that the other Houses did not use them.
Indeed. I still have, and use (when Malekith isn't in the army) one of the old male DE sorcerers.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I've always been one to give credit where it is due, and is this case, the models look great, some of the best GW have ever done in my view
But the prices...bloody hell!
£35 for ten WE?? Given the state of 8th these days, you would need at least 30 in a unit (to soak up bowfire and give the girls a chance to get into combat) so that's £105 for a unit of 30!!
I'm not sure of the points cost, but let's assume that a witch elf is 10 points = £105 for a three hundred point unit. Given that most people play 2000 point games, that is steep. Even for a small scale 1000 point game, that is steep.
£105 could get me a battle force, a bolt action army, a decent sized army for loads of game systems. Crazy, crazy prices.
i dont know if i could stomach painting 30 let alone 2000 points worth. if i ever decided to start playing fantasy again i think i would have to go for the unit fillers.
and those witches actually look really good. crazy expensive too lol.
Try going skaven - you need at least 200 models for a 2000 point force. The thought of having to file and glue 200 skaven models (legs, arms, shields etc) sends a shudder down my spine. I don't know how skaven players do it...
Back OT, the models are expensive.
As a Skaven player I can honestly tell you.... it's just painful. Ever...so...painful. But man are they fun to play. Even when you lose (which is rather often) it's a ton of fun sending them en masse to the doom of.. well your rats and SOME of their models as you tie them up and them blow everything to smitherines(sp) with a WLC or some nasty Skaven Magic.
40k radio says that nids were never going to be released in november and with them being completely correct about space marines and now Dark elves, i would say its a safe bet to trust them. 40k radio has them as january
If I remember right there will be two more releases this year one of them will be ''Hobbit'' for sure so there is one left but this might just be the 2nd wave - not just for DEbtw.
In fact, they haven't gotten a single GW shipment since the space marine release, not even the White Dwarf. GW in Canada seems to not quite know what it's doing.
In fact, they haven't gotten a single GW shipment since the space marine release, not even the White Dwarf. GW in Canada seems to not quite know what it's doing.
Kroothawk wrote: I really hope that Mat Ward has a good explanation for male warlocks and medusas in the army.
He never gave one why Inquisition now has Xenos units or why Grey Knights do blood rituals when confronted with a Blood Daemon.
"....and Malekith decreed that male magic users were A-OK in Naggaroth. Because.... reasons."
They were okay before this book. Malekith might have decreed that male magic users should be put to death because reasons--that did not mean that they did not exist nor that the other Houses did not use them.
Indeed. I still have, and use (when Malekith isn't in the army) one of the old male DE sorcerers.
Ok so I have the book now
The Prophecy is still in and Malkeith still bans male Sorcerers - "by the generous bounties Malkeith offers for such a being's severed head" but there are some still in hidding at the bidding of Noble houses who would "rather risk the Witch Kings wrath than incur a debt to the Covent of Sorcereress" (ie Morathi, who now spends most of her time in her own City rather than sharing a bedroom with her son..............)
Doomfire Warlocks came about as direct result of the Prophecy - Malkeith cursed them so now they are pretty much Dark Eldar - complete with feeding slaanesh with souls to keep themselves alive.
Now all this stuff about Slaanesh automatically eating all Elves Souls unless they are safely stored in Waystones etc or stolen by the "Trickster God or the Queen of the Underworld" - I don't recall this ever being in Fantasy before only 40K??
Sisters of Slaughter = Wyches in all respects - including many of their rules (4+ ward in close combat) - in fact I wish Wyches had all of them - ie WS6 and bonuses against Higher WS/S Opponents ...........
Mr Morden wrote: Doomfire Warlocks came about as direct result of the Prophecy - Malkeith cursed them so now they are pretty much Dark Eldar - complete with feeding slaanesh with souls to keep themselves alive.
Now all this stuff about Slaanesh automatically eating all Elves Souls unless they are safely stored in Waystones etc or stolen by the "Trickster God or the Queen of the Underworld" - I don't recall this ever being in Fantasy before only 40K??
Sisters of Slaughter = Wyches in all respects - including many of their rules (4+ ward in close combat) - in fact I wish Wyches had all of them - ie WS6 and bonuses against Higher WS/S Opponents ...........
Was this book written by Mat Ward, by any chance? He turned the Necrons into Tomb Kings IN SPACE!, and now it sounds like they're turning Dark Elves into Dark Eldar ON LAND!
Mr Morden wrote: Doomfire Warlocks came about as direct result of the Prophecy - Malkeith cursed them so now they are pretty much Dark Eldar - complete with feeding slaanesh with souls to keep themselves alive.
Now all this stuff about Slaanesh automatically eating all Elves Souls unless they are safely stored in Waystones etc or stolen by the "Trickster God or the Queen of the Underworld" - I don't recall this ever being in Fantasy before only 40K??
Sisters of Slaughter = Wyches in all respects - including many of their rules (4+ ward in close combat) - in fact I wish Wyches had all of them - ie WS6 and bonuses against Higher WS/S Opponents ...........
Was this book written by Mat Ward, by any chance? He turned the Necrons into Tomb Kings IN SPACE!, and now it sounds like they're turning Dark Elves into Dark Eldar ON LAND!
It was.
However there was a bit about Slaanesh and the Elves before this book.
Aye, but that was mostly hinting that Morathi had a deal with him, not running in fear.
I haven't read the new background in depth yet, hopefully nothing too drastic awaits me. Although I felt the info on the Har Ganeth Death Night was the most graphic thing I'd read in a GW book in years.
That isn't a complaint btw, just an observation.
Saw them at the store today, didn't look like anyone had really bought much other than the army book. Still can't believe a box of ten infantry is $60 now and I saw it in person. It used to be funny how every year the prices would rise to ever-increasing heights of stupidity and you'd think it couldn't possibly get worse, but now it's just sad. Things really are getting to the level where "the Hobby" seems to be reserved for the wealthy elite and everyone else need not apply. There's no reason I can see why these models should be so fething expensive other than "Because we can."
But I guess that all goes without saying. Almost felt tempted to buy a hydra just because I used to like Dark Elves and didn't think the new kit was that bad, but when I noticed it too had cartoony, sculpted-on blood I ended up passing on it.
Now all this stuff about Slaanesh automatically eating all Elves Souls unless they are safely stored in Waystones etc or stolen by the "Trickster God or the Queen of the Underworld" - I don't recall this ever being in Fantasy before only 40K??
Please tell me you're joking...
Black Library authors went to a lot of trouble to switch the Cults of Pleasure in Ulthuan from being Slaanesh Cults to Cults dedicated to the Elves own dark gods. The elves did not birth Slaanesh like the Eldar did. It makes no sense...
Now all this stuff about Slaanesh automatically eating all Elves Souls unless they are safely stored in Waystones etc or stolen by the "Trickster God or the Queen of the Underworld" - I don't recall this ever being in Fantasy before only 40K??
Please tell me you're joking...
Black Library authors went to a lot of trouble to switch the Cults of Pleasure in Ulthuan from being Slaanesh Cults to Cults dedicated to the Elves own dark gods. The elves did not birth Slaanesh like the Eldar did. It makes no sense...
God dammit Ward...
What authors did that?
The Cults of Pleasure and/or Excess(talked about as two different things) are depicted as being distinct from those worshiping the Elves' dark gods.
William King has the waystone thing in "Blood of Aenarion", where a Daemon starts 'eating' souls from within a waystone.
Also worth noting that Warhammer Armies: High Elves has on page 7, under the heading "The Elven Races" a blurb talking about how Elves can fall to Slaanesh. Suggest you read it.
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Sidstyler wrote: I'm surprised GW even put pictures of them in the book if they weren't coming out immediately with the book's release. They usually don't do that.
Indeed. Surprised the hell out of me seeing the new chariots, Executioners, Black Guard, Dark Riders, and Fleetmaster.
Hopefully they come out soon though. Regiments of Renown(small scale games, max 20 models and a 100 point 'warband') is starting locally and a few Executioners or Dark Riders would not go amiss.
Now all this stuff about Slaanesh automatically eating all Elves Souls unless they are safely stored in Waystones etc or stolen by the "Trickster God or the Queen of the Underworld" - I don't recall this ever being in Fantasy before only 40K??
Please tell me you're joking...
Black Library authors went to a lot of trouble to switch the Cults of Pleasure in Ulthuan from being Slaanesh Cults to Cults dedicated to the Elves own dark gods. The elves did not birth Slaanesh like the Eldar did. It makes no sense...
God dammit Ward...
That is the first I heard of Slaanesh eating elf souls in WHFB. Heck, I still have an old WD where it talked about Slaanesh being the primary god worshiped by the Dark Elves initially, but be displaced by Khaine worshipers.
Agree, God dammit Ward......
@Kendoka: Is there scale creep? It seems a bit deceptive given they are on rocks. The one on the bottom row seems to be at the same height as the other figs. Still thanks for the comparisons.
For those wondering with the Ice Witch, that was sculpted by Chris Fitzpatrick who sculpted the old 5th/6th ed Dark Elves. She fits perfectly into that line.
Now only if Fitz would get around to sculpting the Ice Maidens..........
*edit* Just to add further, played the army yesterday with my Beastmen. Will say the cauldron is GOOD! The player ran it in a horde of Corsairs and I watched it kill a Hoard of Gors. Re-roll hits and re-roll wounds is nasty. The other player didn't try many of the new units since he didn't have equivalent models for it. Shroud of Despair is huge and is going to be the spell that I need to stop each time.
After looking at the book, I'm pretty happy with it. Some good stuff, some meh stuff, but at least nothing like the absurd banner from high elves. Cauldron is very powerful, but offset by the fact that it must be a character mount and is relying on a 4+ ward (only 6+ armor) to stay alive. Similarly, Sisters of Slaughter seem quite good, but being a rare choice, expensive points-wise, and lacking a save brings it into line.
New beastie (the other one from the hydra kit) seems meh to me, its nasty offensively but lacks much in the way of defense.
Hellbron seems like the biggest glass cannon in the game, a T3, no-save model with ASF, Poison, Reroll 1s to wound, and 7+d3 attacks (assuming she still has frenzy) hitting at WS7, S10, I9.
Malekith is a pretty good buy imo, but again suffers from defensive weakness, having a 4+ armor (not mounted) and a 2+ ward that only works against non-magical.
Dark magic seems balanced out except for the 4th spell, shroud of despair. Hitting every enemy within 12" to deny general ld and bsb rerolls would be fine, but tossing in the part where when any of those units fails any leadership test all of them get a cumulative -1 to ld until the spell ends pushes it over the edge, at least for casting on a 10+.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Malekith is a pretty good buy imo, but again suffers from defensive weakness, having a 4+ armor (not mounted) and a 2+ ward that only works against non-magical.
The fact he has ASF with Destroyer makes him more viable than his previous incarnations as well.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Hellbron seems like the biggest glass cannon in the game, a T3, no-save model with ASF, Poison, Reroll 1s to wound, and 7+d3 attacks (assuming she still has frenzy) hitting at WS7, S10, I9.
In other words she hasn't changed a bit... aside from loosing Eternal Hatred and gaining ASF and Murderous Prowess.
Hellebron has always been the ultimate glass cannon. She can be devastating in a challenge... but if she doesn't kill her target immediately she is dead when he swings back.
Logged onto the GW website looking for some Epic: Space Marine figs that I need to round out my army..... (fail)
Oh cool, new Dark Elves. Let's see what the Witches are about, I don't have any of those.....
*looks at price of $60 / 10 plastic figures*
-_- . Seriously GW? I'm glad my Druchii army is pretty robust already (sitting in glass cabinets in the US, but anyways....).
I'll just pass on all of this madness. I'll increasingly rely on Mantic and Reaper for any fantasy 28mm purchases, and GHQ for any 6mm stuff. Which isn't hard, I haven't given GW any of my money in ~ 3 years since I bought two copies of Island of Blood or whatever the Warhammer boxed set was called.
Do any online retailers sell Croc games' stuff? I'd like to get a couple, but the postage makes it prohibitive to get just a couple of figures direct, while I'd happily add them to a bunch of other gaming products in an order from a retailer. Even UK online retailers would probably work.
Do any online retailers sell Croc games' stuff? I'd like to get a couple, but the postage makes it prohibitive to get just a couple of figures direct, while I'd happily add them to a bunch of other gaming products in an order from a retailer. Even UK online retailers would probably work.
Sadly, not that I am aware of and I think this point was raised in the recent Wargods: Olympus Kickstarter but if anyone does have a uk source be good to hear about it
Also is there any word of new Harpies or Shades?? Sorry if this has been discussed, I just can't find it in me to trawl threw 29 pages of posts.
Shades and Harpies are still on the store at the moment when everything else getting new stuff has been removed, so seems like they're sticking around.
Sorry if these have already been answered but are any of these going to be replacing the Corsairs kit?
It's a bit weird them doing a second wave considering we haven't had one in over year
gianlucafiorentini123 wrote: Sorry if these have already been answered but are any of these going to be replacing the Corsairs kit?
Why do you think that Corsairs need replacing? Why do you think that Black Guard or Executioners are a good replacement for Corsairs?
gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:It's a bit weird them doing a second wave considering we haven't had one in over year
Only a few armies have so few plastic kits like Dark Elves. So to replace everything in Finecast/metal, DE needed more than one month's worth of releases.
kastellan wrote:Any ideas on what the battalion will have in it and how much it will be? Also will it be coming out next week do we think?
Not sure if we will still have batallions in the age of one-click-bundles. Batallions including new stuff usually have taken 6 months or more to get released in the past. Grey Knights still have none. Others just got sprues taken out on rerelease.
Why do you think that Corsairs need replacing? Why do you think that Black Guard or Executioners are a good replacement for Corsairs?
I was just wondering as I really like the Corsairs models and wanted to know if I needed to pick some up, I'm not a fantasy player so I wasn't to sure about name changes and the like.
Interesting side note to the topic at hand here, Raging Heroes have had so many people asking about their future DE kickstarter that they have released some concept art they hadn't intended to.
Seems like a lot of people got really excited about this release then suddenly stopped to take a proper look at that models and said "Oh..." all together (I know I did).
Just a quick question... is November's WD meant to be out yet?
It's just that I got a copy today full of dark elf goodness and was wondering if mistakes were made...
EDIT: In any case... some info and pics below EDIT2: Once my camera has recharged I'll try to get some better quality pics if anyone wants me to.
Spoiler:
Dark Elf releases: - Dark Elves Doomfire Warlocks/Dark Riders $45AUD/$50NZD - Dark Elves Har Ganeth Executioners/Black Guard $70AUD/$80NZD - Dark Elves Scourgerunner Chariot/Cold One Chariot $55AUD/$65NZD - Dark Elves Black Ark Fleetmaster $22AUD/$26NZD - Warhost of Naggaroth $240AUD/$280NZD
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Matt.Kingsley wrote: Just a quick question... is November's WD meant to be out yet?
No, it is not supposed to be out for 2 weeks. You are lucky.
Any info on other releases like Inquisition, paints, Chaos box? Please post confirmations in the respective threads.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: I've posted the Australian and New Zealand prices up in the spoiler tag, unsure about any other prices, though.
You can generally figure out a "price band", so that's helpful.
The Fleetmaster looks to be $20 USD(price band on the plastic single piece characters--oddly enough it's not a huge price difference between regions)
Har Ganeth Executioners/Black Guard dual kit looks to be $50 USD(the Shadow Warrior/Sisters of Avelorn price band--blah)
Scourgerunner Chariot/Cold One Chariot looks to be $35 USD(price band of cavalry boxes like the Silver Helms)
I couldn't find something directly $45 AUD and the closest for the Doomfire Warlocks/Dark Riders is the Corpse Cart which rings in at $29.75--which if true makes Warlocks and Dark Riders a pretty good buy.
Are ALL of these pics from white dwarf or were some of them in the book released last month? sorry if that's already been answered but i haven't been keeping up to date.
Just seems weird if they released a book without pictures of models that would be released only a month later.
azreal13 wrote: My family have had horses longer than they've had me, and having grown up around them, I'm particularly sensitive to anything in an equine sculpt that is "wrong."
I actually don't mind them at all. In the context of being Dark Elf steeds, so there's essentially something "wrong" with them.
I wouldn't object to flat out "wrong" these are too close to real, so to my eye they look....incorrect?
But enough with the horse beavers, if anyone is keen to continue the discussion, I'll meet you over in the DE thread.
Well, that's why they do work for me. Not inaccurate to the point of ridiculousness (like the old Elven horses with cartoon faces) but like this - close to real, but ...wrong. Id' say subtly wrong, but they're not exactly subtle.
Ouch, those black guards and ,to lesser extent, executionner are static as hell, and all look to have the same boring pose. Hopefully, you can assemble them in differents ways, cause right now, while I think that each look good indiviually, as an unit they look terrible, and not in the hip way.
streetsamurai wrote: Ouch, those black guards and ,to lesser extent, executionner are static as hell, and all look to have the same boring pose. Hopefully, you can assemble them in differents ways, cause right now, while I think that each look good indiviually, as an unit they look terrible, and not in the hip way.
It's the curse of the GW dual kit, you can have either overly dynamic and therefore absolutely useless if you want more than 5-10 on the table (and honestly how can you not with the current meta) or completely and utterly static.
There are not one but two VC boxes, which is cool. 1 Ghoul themed and one Skeleton themed.
You know what, I may as well just post the contents of all the new army boxes...
Spoiler:
A Tau box (contains a Riptide and 6 Broadsides)
An Eldar box (contains a Wraithknight, 2 Wraithlords and 15 Waraithguard)
A Space Marine box (contains a Stormraven and 2 Stormtalons)
A Chaos Warrior box (contains a Giant, Slaughterbrute, 6 Dragon Ogres and 2 Chaos Spawn)
A Dark Elf box (contains the new Fleetmaster and Chariot, 20 Dreadspears, 20 Corsairs and 5 Cold One Knights)
and finally 2 Vampire Counts boxes (one with a Wight King, 20 Skeleton Warriors, 10 Grave Guard and 5 Black Knights, the other with a Necromancer, 20 Ghouls, 3 Crypt Horrors and a Garden of Morr)
...
for using Dean Ambrose.
