Lion275 over at Warseer wrote:Warlocks appear to have one hand weapon
The new chariot crew is armed with spears and what looks to be a large crossbow or bolt thrower on the chariot.
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The warlocks are bare chested, and the weapons look mundane...aka not glowing. They look like large jagged daggers. They are held in reverse grips which looks pretty slick. The warlock champions eyes are glowing which IMO hints at some magical abilities. md as far as the warriors go I think a big difference will be the size of them. Look at the size difference between Isle of Blood Lothern Sea Guard and the normal High Elves spearman.
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The Warriors, Black Guard, and Dark Riders all have cloaks. None of them appear to have face coverings. The Executioners appear to have skull faced helms. The theme to me appears to be a more sinister version of their High Elf bretheren. The plate armor has very spiked and jagged edges. The style will still fit well with the Shades and Reaper but next to these new models they will look very dated.
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-Black Guard look very stalwart with large halberds and high helms with 3 spikes on each side with a flowing plume on top. Their armor is black trimmed in gold and they have dark purple cloaks. The unit champion is holding a sword by the hilt with the blade planted in the ground. Musician is a drummer.
-The executioners have what look like skull helms, and their armor is a brighter silver than the Black Guard. Their tunics are red in color and the Draiches are all held on the left hand side of their bodies (their left our right). They look very cool ranked up.

The Dark Riders are very cool looking. Sleek looking horses with only a bit of armor. All of the Riders are hunched over in the saddle to give the illusion of speeding fast cav. The helmets appear to be open faced and they are armed with spears in the picture I have, once again that doesn't mean they wont get crossbows (in the pictures we have they are in the back ground behind the Warlocks).
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So to answer the chariot question: It looks very sleek. The wheel is on the back part of the chariot. The chariot is very low to the ground. Once again it sounds weird but looks cool. Very low profile and ready to smash people.

Spoiler:

First WD pics leaked from China:
















More large and blurry pics (from Italy I guess) in spoilers:












More pics, added 27th September:
Regular and limited armybook cover (posted by cerbrus2):



Hellebron:

NEW RUMORS for Warhammer Fantasy! My "source" has sent me pictures of the new Dark Elf release. The Dark Elves will be out in October with a slew of new models:

1) NEW Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box(Makes Spearmen, swordsmen, & crossbowmen)
2) NEW PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks
3) NEW Plastic Blackguard/Executioners
4) NEW Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner(Pulled by horses)
5) NEW Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne(This model is AMAZING)
6) NEW Plastic Hydra/Kraken
7) NEW Plastic Witch Elf box

This will be a huge release and the Dark Elves will be the best looking Fantasy army, IMHO. These models are breathe taking and Dark Elf fans will have their minds blown!

Lion275 over at Warseer wrote:Even though it is 40k radio both myself and the other host both play a lot of WHFB. We can't and won't show pics unless our source gives us the ok. The pictures we have received are the high res pictures that will be in the WD. If you have any questions I will be more than happy to answer them to my utmost ability here or on our Facebook page.

As of right now we only have the pics, no details on the book. Last time we got the pictures and then the book a little later. As soon as we get more info we will pass it on. So as far as the weapons I can only go off the pictures. Here is what I see:

Warlocks appear to have one hand weapon
The new chariot crew is armed with spears and what looks to be a large crossbow or bolt thrower on the chariot.

The pictures have me thinking I want to collect another Dark Elves army. We have not received pics of any of the characters but that doesn't mean there won't be any.

The new Warriors look quite different to me. But then again I am a big geek that notices stuff like that. They have cloaks that come down their back and all the helmets don't cover the eyes any more.

The warlocks are bare chested, and the weapons look mundane...aka not glowing. They look like large jagged daggers. They are held in reverse grips which looks pretty slick. The warlock champions eyes are glowing which IMO hints at some magical abilities. md as far as the warriors go I think a big difference will be the size of them. Look at the size difference between Isle of Blood Lothern Sea Guard and the normal High Elves spearman.

Im really excited to hear about a plastic hydra finally.

It looks bigger and beefier. Like we said Dark Elves are setting the bar for the best range of models in WHFB.

Can you tell what size base the hydra is on?

I can't really tell from the pic. The two handlers are actually on the base so I don't have their base size to compare to. Sorry.

The cloaks hang down from underneath the shoulder armor and cover the back of the chain mail. It definitely is new for them but it looks really cool. The Druchii warriors also have shoulder armor. It makes them look simply awesome. The skull embossed on their shields looks great too. Yes the Hydra does have 2 handlers.

The Warriors, Black Guard, and Dark Riders all have cloaks. None of them appear to have face coverings. The Executioners appear to have skull faced helms. The theme to me appears to be a more sinister version of their High Elf bretheren. The plate armor has very spiked and jagged edges. The style will still fit well with the Shades and Reaper but next to these new models they will look very dated.

-The Kraken has 5 heads/fanged maws. The have spines and scales with smooth neck and belly flesh. Scales are painted a Dark Grey with the softer flesh painted blue. Looks awesome.
-The pictures we have of the Witch Elves has them with two hand weapons.
-Black Guard look very stalwart with large halberds and high helms with 3 spikes on each side with a flowing plume on top. Their armor is black trimmed in gold and they have dark purple cloaks. The unit champion is holding a sword by the hilt with the blade planted in the ground. Musician is a drummer.
-The executioners have what look like skull helms, and their armor is a brighter silver than the Black Guard. Their tunics are red in color and the Draiches are all held on the left hand side of their bodies (their left our right). They look very cool ranked up.

The Dark Riders are very cool looking. Sleek looking horses with only a bit of armor. All of the Riders are hunched over in the saddle to give the illusion of speeding fast cav. The helmets appear to be open faced and they are armed with spears in the picture I have, once again that doesn't mean they wont get crossbows (in the pictures we have they are in the back ground behind the Warlocks). The Kraken doesn't have tentacles, it has four legs with webbed appendages ending in claws and it also has a tail. The Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne look very cool. If you are a fan of the newer larger models GW has been putting out for WHFB you will really dig it. It is a bit toned down compared to the Empire Celestial Hurricanum/Luminark of Hysh and has blades and hooks on it to make it very sinister and Dark Elf. I also want to say thanks for such the warm welcome. I am glad that you guys are fired up for this release. As soon as more info becomes available to us I will share it on our Facebook and post here too. I will continue to answer questions about the models to the best of my ability and thank you for being very understanding as to why we cant release the pictures sent to us. You guys are awesome!

zhangyi over at Warseer wrote:so i've got something new to say.
someone just told me that dark elf have army-wide ASF rule.

Silvertongue over at Warseer wrote:More info from the FB thread:

Execs use swords (phew!). Black Guards look "amazing", with bulkier shoulders and tall helmets with plumes, so I guess pretty much like they look now (in that respect at least).
The Cauldron has six wheels and two staircases leading up to the platform with the big statue of Khaine. It is not pulled by anything, so maybe (my assumption it will be used like the Screaming Bell? Three Witch Elves on it, lots of spikes and blades.

Edit: and more! The Witch Elves have loincloths and bras (obviously) and look "vicious". On the Throne, there is something that looks like half-Witch Elf, half Medusa, with snakes as hair.

Now I'm almost literally foaming.

Also, weren't there, a month or so ago, a batch of rumours that said something like "Cauldron kit makes both the CoB and a Medusa thing" that we all thought were too wishlisty? It could be useful to find them and re-evaluate them.
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Found it:

First post so be kind. I have a friend who works for GW and he told me about 2 weeks ago about a dual kit hydra / some other monster, dual kit plastic witch elves / sisters of slaughter, new cauldron and medusa kit thing was his exact words. not sure if anyone else has mentioned these.

By Arthurius11, in the now-locked thread that preceded this one. Now, we haven't heard anything about Sisters of Slaughter by the guys of 40k radio, but that doesn't mean it's not real. Perhaps it's a simple weapon swap that wasn't featured in the pics they received or something like that.

Edit: The new Hydra is beefier than the current one. And the WEs on the Throne use spears.

I have to say, they are being quite nice answering all my questions! I don't want to pester them, though.

Edit: Warlocks are bare-chested, with long flowing hair, painted white. They seem to have black eyes (or no eyes), except for the champion, whose eyes are glowing. Dark Riders are cloaked (of course), and hunched over in the saddle, in order to present a low profile.

And that should be all from me today. I need to sleep. Someone else ask them things!

DeathlessDraich over at Warseer wrote:The following might have already been mentioned - apologies - haven't read every post.
I can't verify the validity or the source. I think only one or 2 out of the 6 below will turn out to be true. We shall see - in the last week of September.

1) 2 new monsters (or monstrous units?) not 1. One monster from Karond Kar (Is this the Kraken? Does it fly? - I don't know) and the other may be from Har Ganeth

2) Temple of Khaine artifacts remain - Don't know whether there are new poisons or not

3) Maybe a new unit from Har Ganeth or a modification for Executioners?

4) Improved Assassins - could be a Save or improved Hidden rules.

5) I think rumours of City Guard, Slaves etc are probably hopeful speculation. Dark Magic and Black Horror will probably remain as do all the present units but following latest trends there are bound to be new units.

I am hoping for interesting new additions/improvements to the rules.

shabbadoo wrote:I would recommend that it might just be a good idea for everyone to NOT give anybody much of a hassle over this "wish-listy" list, because there is no wishing there at all. OK, before saying anything this sweeping and all-encompassing, I better look at it again...

Nope. Nothing wish-listy there apparently. If you play Dark Elves, and you like that list (and, yes, that is not everything), you might as well pop the champagne already. Pics ought to start oozing out within a week if this turns out anything like Space Marines did, and I will add that pre-orders ought to go up on the 28th.

Lastly, before anybody puts their head up there butt and asks, "But how do YOU know?", just consider that one reason that I (and probably others) really don't say much of anything is precisely because so many of you jack-holes (you know who you are) have become fixated on asking that particular question, and incredulously seem to expect an informative answer of some sort. Say thanks to 40K Radio for sharing, and be done with it.

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People should have already pulled their head out of their butts on that issue when GW redid the Empire Cores, the Skaven Core, and the Beastmen Core. GW is obviously redoing the the poorer looking plastics as they can. Just because they do it for some armies and not for others doesn't mean that they have no plans to replace the poorer sets at all. They just don't have limitless production capability is all. As it seems like most everyone is mellowing out now, here is a small tidbit:

I honestly can't wait to see the pseudo-Medusa of the Blood Throne. It can be really awesome or horrid. I'm hoping for awesome!

It is definitely awesome. It looks somewhat like the Medusa from Clash of the Titans (the newer version of the movie)- snake from the waste down, hair of snakes, not too monstrous of a face; the pose is upright (body up high, supported by the tail). I don't know if players will be able to field this model on a base as its own unit or not (i.e. has its own independent unit entry in the army list), as has been the case with some other combo-kit models like this (the High Elf Lothern Skycutter Lord with trident on foot for instance). As to the crew of the Cauldron of Blood, they are in the style of the plastic Dark Elf Sorceress but are more dynamic with regard to the poses. Armies made up of only the newer models are going to look great on the game table.

As to the rest, I'll leave it to 40k Radio (who did a fine job with the Space Marines info, regardless of what some intarwebz fools with a seeming sense of entitlement might think) and others to drop, as they will no doubt do a great job this time around too. Pics should show up pretty soon I think, as more an more people have now seen them (and pre-orders are only 3 weeks away, or so I have been led to believe).

Lion275 wrote:I am indeed connected to 40k Radio. My name is Rik and I am one of the co-hosts along with Kyle and Chad. Feel free to drop by our facebook and I will gladly answer it on there too. My source has said I have free will to talk about and describe the pictures I have seen. I DO NOT have permission to put them up. Someone has been nice enough to send us pictures of the last two releases early and sent of the Space Marine codex early. So why would I betray his trust just to "prove" I am legit? The proof will come when the WD pics start coming out.

Ok so when we asked our source why the Dark Elves release was so large we got this answer:

Because many of the Dark Elves were so old and the poor designs were showing their age. They weren't getting any fan attention so they needed a full reboot.

Nice to see GW taking notice of models that are or aren't working.

So to answer the chariot question: It looks very sleek. The wheel is on the back part of the chariot. The chariot is very low to the ground. Once again it sounds weird but looks cool. Very low profile and ready to smash people.

As to the models I am looking forward to the most that is a really tough question. From a purely selfish standpoint the Warriors. From the look of them with some minor adjustments they would make great High Elves spear men. Over all though I would have to say Black Guard. Standing strong in their armor with burly looking halberds I would say they look the coolest IMO.

The only character picture we seem to have at the moment is Hellebron. That doesn't mean there wont be more.

The Executioners armor is a mixture of armor plates and chain mail.

1) NEW Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box (Makes Spearmen, swordsmen, & crossbowmen)
The new Warriors look quite different to me. But then again I am a big geek that notices stuff like that. They have cloaks that come down their back and all the helmets don't cover the eyes any more.
The cloaks hang down from underneath the shoulder armor and cover the back of the chain mail. It definitely is new for them but it looks really cool. The Druchii warriors also have shoulder armor. It makes them look simply awesome. The skull embossed on their shields looks great too.
The Warriors, Black Guard, and Dark Riders all have cloaks. None of them appear to have face coverings.
It does not appear that any of the banners have designs sculpted onto them. The pictures we have of the warriors show 2 regiments, one armed with swords and shields and one armed with spears and shield. Our source tell us that they will make crossbows but we don't have a picture of them.

2) NEW PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks
Warlocks appear to have one hand weapon
The warlocks are bare chested, and the weapons look mundane...aka not glowing. They look like large jagged daggers. They are held in reverse grips which looks pretty slick. The warlock champions eyes are glowing which IMO hints at some magical abilities.
The Warriors, Black Guard, and Dark Riders all have cloaks. None of them appear to have face coverings.
The Dark Riders are very cool looking. Sleek looking horses with only a bit of armor. All of the Riders are hunched over in the saddle to give the illusion of speeding fast cav. The helmets appear to be open faced and they are armed with spears in the picture I have, once again that doesn't mean they wont get crossbows (in the pictures we have they are in the back ground behind the Warlocks).
There does not appear to be a command group for the Warlocks, only a unit champion.

3) NEW Plastic Blackguard/Executioners
The Warriors, Black Guard, and Dark Riders all have cloaks. None of them appear to have face coverings. The Executioners appear to have skull faced helms. The theme to me appears to be a more sinister version of their High Elf bretheren. The plate armor has very spiked and jagged edges. The style will still fit well with the Shades and Reaper but next to these new models they will look very dated.
-Black Guard look very stalwart with large halberds and high helms with 3 spikes on each side with a flowing plume on top. Their armor is black trimmed in gold and they have dark purple cloaks. The unit champion is holding a sword by the hilt with the blade planted in the ground. Musician is a drummer.
-The executioners have what look like skull helms, and their armor is a brighter silver than the Black Guard. Their tunics are red in color and the Draiches are all held on the left hand side of their bodies (their left our right). They look very cool ranked up.
The Executioner champ is armed with an axe and is holding the decapitated head of a High Elf. Pretty dang cool.

4) NEW Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner (Pulled by horses)
The new chariot crew is armed with spears and what looks to be a large crossbow or bolt thrower on the chariot.
For the Scroungerunner charoit the crew look similar to Corsairs. The passenger shooting the crossbow/boltthrower has what appears to be a sea dragon cloak on. There are reins but they look like just normal black leather. The horses look awesome and angry. Both are black in color with red eyes. The chariot only has one wheel that is centered on the back part. Sounds stupid, looks cool. And as usual nasty spikes and blades al
And yes the Cold Ones on the chariot match the current Cold One Knights.


5) NEW Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne (This model is AMAZING)
The Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne look very cool. If you are a fan of the newer larger models GW has been putting out for WHFB you will really dig it. It is a bit toned down compared to the Empire Celestial Hurricanum/Luminark of Hysh and has blades and hooks on it to make it very sinister and Dark Elf.
The Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne are on a bigger base than the chariot base.
Yes the Cauldron and the Blood throne both have 6 wheels. They are on the same chassis, just with different stuff on the altar. I just noticed that the Witch Elves on Blood Throne have metal masks that cover the front of their face with the exception of their chin and mouth area and of course their eyes.
Ok and now to answer the Medusa question: She has the lower body of a snake and it appears there are other snakes on her base. The right side of her torso is bare, including her breast. In her right hand she is holding a spear. She has armor over her left breast and has a nasty looking clawed gauntlet on her hand. Her mouth is agape and she has snakes for hair. There is also a significant amount of blood on the model.

6) NEW Plastic Hydra/Kraken
About Hydra:It looks bigger and beefier.
Yes the Hydra does have 2 handlers.
-The Kraken has 5 heads/fanged maws. The have spines and scales with smooth neck and belly flesh. Scales are painted a Dark Grey with the softer flesh painted blue. Looks awesome.
The Kraken doesn't have tentacles, it has four legs with webbed appendages ending in claws and it also has a tail.
Yes the Kraken has multiple heads. From the pic it looks like there is one main head with eyes and the other four necks end with fanged maws. Very cool looking. It may sound stupid to people as it is walking but wait until the picture comes out before passing judgement.
You have to clear your head of any preconceived notions of what a Kraken is or looks like. Because lets face it, an 8 legged octopus creature flopping around on land would just not look right. It has 4 limbs that end in webbed feet with claws on them. It also has 5 heads. The main head has beady little eyes right above the mouth. The lower jaw on the main head extends kind of like an octopus tentacle but with teeth on it. The other heads end in an mouth with teeth and 4 claws around the head that look to facilitate grabbing their next meal.

7) NEW Plastic Witch Elf box
-The pictures we have of the Witch Elves has them with two hand weapons.
The witches are also sporting thigh high boots and are very dynamic with their poses. I wonder how much of a pain in the butt it will be to get them to rank up.
The Witch Elves look great. No mowhawks or anything like that. Long flowing hair, thigh high black boots and red loincloths and for lack of a better terms bras. They appear to have open mouths so lord only knows what they are saying before they come in and hack my poor High Elves to bits.
There appears to be a command group for the Witch Elves.

Crone Hellebron?
-Apparently one of the pics we have is Crone Hellebron. She is a little more armored up than a normal WE. She has a sword and a small blade (I am thinking Deathsword and Parrying Blade). She definitely has the big hair like in her artwork in the current army book.She looks young like a regular WE. She has a a bit more clothing, but not much. She has a gold mask covering her face that extends upwards in a crown like fashion. Both arms are raised towards the sky.

Lion275 over at Warseer wrote:It is indeed the same source that has provided us the Space Marine pictures and codex.
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According to our source DE were one of the worst selling ranges GW had. I assume they didn't touch HE Spearmen because for some reason they still sell...
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In the pictures I have of the Cauldron of Blood it is just the model with nothing pushing it. It is weird that it does have wheels but nothing pulling. Who knows maybe we will see it getting pushed around like the Screaming Bell.

shabbadoo over at Warseer wrote:A bit more detail on the Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne:

The whole contraption is a large lower platform on six wheels with a smaller raised platform towards the rear, which is reached by two staircases that curve from the lower center outward to the left and right front of the upper platform. The upper platform is where the Hag stands/Medusa is coiled. Near the top of each staircase is a witch elf guard, and they stand with their feet on different levels of the stairs in a nice "guarding" action pose. Those that guard the Medusa have spears, which they are pointing down the stairs, as if threatening anything that might come up them. The Medusa's right arm is holding high a spear, point upwards, and her right breast is bare. Also, the Medusa's body is covered in scattered small cuts from which drips blood. The paint job is in the very clean GW style and looks very nice, but I do look forward to somebody doing a bit grittier, more realistic paint job on the Medusa in particular. Seriously, the Medusa is a pretty badarse model, and anybody who doesn't like it should be publicly ostracized. Behind the Medusa is what looks like a large mirror on a pedestal. The mirror frame is gold, and depicts cavorting Witch Elves. The mirror is painted to look like what appears to be a row of moons in a clear blue daytime sky (i.e. the mirror "looks through to another world" type of thing is what they were going for, I guess). Also, Lion mentioned snakes at the base of the Medusa's tail, but it may be that it is the Medusa's tail that actually splits into multiple serpents itself, as the snakes are painted a similar (though slightly lighter) shade of green to the Medusa's lower snake body. The angle of the pic doesn't show which is the case, so we'll most likely have to wait for the pre-order pics to determine that. For the Cauldron of Blood, at the back of the upper platform behind the Hag is the obligatory large statue of Khaine, sword held aloft.

Lion has described the other models well enough, but I think you can figure out which one of the bunch is my favorite. Pics ought to drop soon (probably this weekend), but it won't be me doing it. That's about all I am going to share. If I hadn't already started High Elves when the Isle of Blood starter set came out, I would be doing Dark Elves. It is going to be very difficult to resist staring them.

zhangyi over at Warseer wrote:so it's clear now, that DE will be released during two months. October we will have warrior, witch elves, blood throne, Kharibdyss (dont know what is it), and a plastic shadowblade.
as we can see GW has put bg, chariot and dark riders to next month along with innocence(the 40K table game,i'm 95% certain that it will be in November). for good reason we can split our money to two months. that's really kind.
for the price:
shadowblade, £12
warrior,£20
witch,£35
throne,£45
kha…balabalabala,£40
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i cant say where i get these news. but it's certain, and we only have these toys this month. do not be disappointed, cause it's clear we have a second wave.

melonmelon over at Warseer wrote:October release:

Dreadspears(Warriors?) £20
Shadowblade £12
Witch Elves £35
Cauldron of Blood £45
Kharibdyss £40

from indie retailer, BTW no pic.

edit: Army book and Magic Card set too, but no "battleforce".

Clockwork over at Warseer wrote:According to the White Dwarf, the Warriors are completely monopose. Legs, head and body are all attached in one single piece.

BramGaunt over at Warseer wrote:Got some infos on the new stuff today.

Kharybdis is WS 5, 5A, S7, T5, 4+AS. If all attacks hit, it deals an aditional d6 s7 attacks

Warhydra is s5, 5wounds. A is equal to number of remaining wounds +3. its a special choice

RBB is switched to special

Crossbowmen retain the option for shields
Bloodwrack shrine and cob are a chariot, which may narch and join units. Cob has a bound spell for frenzy and grants the unit he joins a 6+ ws (5+ in case of witchelves)

Bloodwrack medusa has a 4 shot s4 shooting attack wirh killing blow, and is monstrous infantey (s and t 4)
Models in b2b suffer a s4 hit with killing blow if they fail an i test

Sisters of slaughter gain a bonus to hit and to wound if their opponent has a higher ws ir strength. Their 4+ ward save only applies in close combat. They negate enemues ranks for combat resolution.

It was hinted that black guard and executioners will be more expensive.

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Concerning the Witch Elves Kit:

I was told that anything stopping you from building 10 Witches and 10 sisters from one kit are extra legs. Everything else might be in twice - heads, arms, torsos, weapons. So if you happen to have fitting legs, from, say wytches, wood elf warriors, you might be able to get 20 Models out of that box. I know, it's a small comfort, but might still be something for you.

Oh, and, the Crossbow men are called Dreadthorns, if I recall correctly...

librerian_samae wrote:Picked up white dwarf, a few interesting bits not bought up before-

the medusae are sorceresses cursed by the goddess Atharti for being too beautiful, they don't have blood dripping FROM them rather they constantly ooze blood from festering sores.

Also the sisters of slaughter ritually shave their heads and use the hair to weave their whips from.

 KoganStyle wrote:
I really hope this is true, but won't it clash with the rumoured Inquisition skirmish game?

 BrassScorpion wrote:
It amuses me that this rumor thread effectively crushes more than six months worth of "mystery box" threads about an "inquisitor related" or Blood Bowl game release for October. Heh-heh-heh.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 KoganStyle wrote:
I really hope this is true, but won't it clash with the rumoured Inquisition skirmish game?

40K Radio are claiming there is no "mystery box" at all, Blood Bowl, Inquisitor, or anything else.

Frankly, even if they have a direct line to GWHQ's viral marketing team, I'll still treat their rumours as salty because of the crap they pulled with the Marine info.

Puscifer wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 KoganStyle wrote:
I really hope this is true, but won't it clash with the rumoured Inquisition skirmish game?

40K Radio are claiming there is no "mystery box" at all, Blood Bowl, Inquisitor, or anything else.

Frankly, even if they have a direct line to GWHQ's viral marketing team, I'll still treat their rumours as salty because of the crap they pulled with the Marine info.

I know this is a little off topic... what did they pull with the Marine leaks?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I'm sure GW can multi-task..

yukihyou wrote:
If they HAD photos why not put one up as proof?

 shabbadoo wrote:

yukihyou wrote:
If they HAD photos why not put one up as proof?

Because GW doesn't want them to...yet.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Hi,
many sources point to a Dark Elf armbook release in October. Here the latest 40k Radio rumours:

NEW RUMORS for Warhammer Fantasy! My "source" has sent me pictures of the new Dark Elf release. The Dark Elves will be out in October with a slew of new models:

1) NEW Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box(Makes Spearmen, swordsmen, & crossbowmen)
2) NEW PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks
3) NEW Plastic Blackguard/Executioners
4) NEW Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner(Pulled by horses)
5) NEW Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne(This model is AMAZING)
6) NEW Plastic Hydra/Kraken
7) NEW Plastic Witch Elf box

This will be a huge release and the Dark Elves will be the best looking Fantasy army, IMHO. These models are breathe taking and Dark Elf fans will have their minds blown!

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well if true this probably puts the boot into the potential Raging Heroes Dark Elf KS plans

as for 40K Radio, all I can see is they didn't read out the codex word for work immediately the got hold of it (and why should they)

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Oh, if the Inquisitor thing will be fake, I will laugh and laugh and laugh... It's so typical of this community to buy into outlandish fairy tales hook, line and reel, and then have their fragile dreams shattered.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Oh, if the Inquisitor thing will be fake, I will laugh and laugh and laugh... It's so typical of this community to buy into outlandish fairy tales hook, line and reel, and then have their fragile dreams shattered.

It takes a very specific kind of mentality to be happy about things like that...

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Sure, they could waste all that community capital now with random trolling, but why would they? If they stick to the truth, they'll have us coming back week after week with every release.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Sure, they could waste all that community capital now with random trolling, but why would they? If they stick to the truth, they'll have us coming back week after week with every release.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well if true this probably puts the boot into the potential Raging Heroes Dark Elf KS plans

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Oh, if the Inquisitor thing will be fake, I will laugh and laugh and laugh... It's so typical of this community to buy into outlandish fairy tales hook, line and reel, and then have their fragile dreams shattered.

 Azazelx wrote:
You're such a big, tough man.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
You're such a big, tough man.

I cannot help it if the repetition of the same pattern is amusing. Remember "Summer of Flyers"? The massive list of leaked upcoming releases including an Allies supplement? the 6th edition playtest ruleset? All of which were either fake or grossly inaccurate, all of which the community believed in. Hell, even i bought into that list for a while, since it was the most elaborate con job we'd seen in the rumors front in a while, with product codes and dozens upon dozens of entries.

The Inquisitor game too had all kinds of verisimilitudinous details posted, and now it's all called into question.

 NELS1031 wrote:
I can believe this, 7 plastic kits seems like a lot in one go, but it is one of the better selling WHFB armies from my own experience.

 Aerethan wrote:
This will be a love hate issue for me. I'll love the new models, I'll hate the cost.

New core infantry is a mixed bag. On the one hand it'd take a miracle for GW to release models that aren't better than the current ones, on the other they'd have to be so pretty that I can justify the cost of models that I already have being replaced.

For harpies, I agree that the old models need an update, but the unit is only ever run in 5's, so a full plastic kit would be way overkill(especially for models that don't count towards core %). I expect a new finecast set for them, likey priced at $50. I'll continue to use my Gargoyle/Daemonette conversions for the foreseeable future.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
This will be a love hate issue for me. I'll love the new models, I'll hate the cost.

New core infantry is a mixed bag. On the one hand it'd take a miracle for GW to release models that aren't better than the current ones, on the other they'd have to be so pretty that I can justify the cost of models that I already have being replaced.

For harpies, I agree that the old models need an update, but the unit is only ever run in 5's, so a full plastic kit would be way overkill(especially for models that don't count towards core %). I expect a new finecast set for them, likey priced at $50. I'll continue to use my Gargoyle/Daemonette conversions for the foreseeable future.

That assumes that Harpies aren't potentially be changed. I could see them getting a bit better and potentially being usable as cheap, disposable screens for Cult of Khaine forces.
Or they could be pulling a Zombie on them and allowing for them to be "summoned".

 Krinsath wrote:
Another major reason to be skeptical is a rumor of 7 new plastic kits including re-makes. If their most popular line for their most popular game only gets 4 new kits with a recut of their troops, I have a hard time believing they'd sink that much into a WHFB range at this point. Witch elves and a Black Guard/Executioner box would make sense, as would anything else eliminating FineCast, but if they didn't redo any of the high elf core boxes why would they redo 2 Dark Elf ones?

If you take the "already in plastic" nonsense out it becomes more credible, but this sounds like wishlisting/traffic grab more than a rumor I'd put any stock in without corroboration.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Interesting that the Shades are not mentioned as getting a plastic kit though.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Interesting that the Shades are not mentioned as getting a plastic kit though.

Horror scenario - Shades share a kit with Witch Elves.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Interesting that the Shades are not mentioned as getting a plastic kit though.

Horror scenario - Shades share a kit with Witch Elves.

More horror scenario:
Shades and Witch Elves are a dual kit like the Shadow Warriors and Sisters of Avelorn.

 Aerethan wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Interesting that the Shades are not mentioned as getting a plastic kit though.

Horror scenario - Shades share a kit with Witch Elves.

More horror scenario:
Shades and Witch Elves are a dual kit like the Shadow Warriors and Sisters of Avelorn.

We can only hope that the witch elves actually look like females this time.

Shades could easily be dual kitted with Dark Riders, but it looks like that kit already has a second half.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Shades and Witch Elves are a dual kit like the Shadow Warriors and Sisters of Avelorn.

 Mr Morden wrote:
It would be poor indeed for them to make them less feminine in form given the usual imagery they use...........

Guess just have to keep buying Raging Heroes ones if they do

 Mr Morden wrote:
I have the book and in that and looking on line - they still appear to have lots of sleek toned flesh on display?

 Aerethan wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I have the book and in that and looking on line - they still appear to have lots of sleek toned flesh on display?

They are referring to the vast under sexualization that Daemonettes received when they were last updated. No bare breasts/nipples.

I agree that if the new witches are not as seductive as they are written to be that the Ragin Heroes will be standing in for me.

 Denilsta wrote:

The 7 new releases could be true, look at the dark Eldar the entire range was redone, troops, elites, vehicles etc....definately more than 7 new releases and it cannot be argued that dark Eldar are/were one of the most popular armies.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Why does "seductive" need to be bare breasts?

 Aerethan wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I have the book and in that and looking on line - they still appear to have lots of sleek toned flesh on display?

They are referring to the vast under sexualization that Daemonettes received when they were last updated. No bare breasts/nipples.

I agree that if the new witches are not as seductive as they are written to be that the Ragin Heroes will be standing in for me.

 Harriticus wrote:
If GW was smart they'd release this in November and hope people confuse Thor Dark Elves with their Dark Elves.
Of course I'm surprised they haven't tried to sue Disney yet over the Dark Elves title.

 Harriticus wrote:
Of course I'm surprised they haven't tried to sue Disney yet over the Dark Elves title.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
If GW was smart they'd release this in November and hope people confuse Thor Dark Elves with their Dark Elves.
Of course I'm surprised they haven't tried to sue Disney yet over the Dark Elves title.

They might try to sue Marvel over their Dark Elf King Malekith, even if it was first mentoned by marvel in the 60s

 Mr Morden wrote:


My issue with the current Daemonettes versus the Diaz (?) ones was the latter were beautifully sculpted and full of flowing lines and much as they are described in the fluff - the new ones for me don;t work as well - especially the seekers.

Don't need bare breasts but hopefully the new Witch Elves will be both extremely deadily and very beatutiful - as they should be Its a sterotype/wish fulfillment but thats no bad thing

 Mr Morden wrote:
My issue with the current Daemonettes versus the Diaz (?) ones was the latter were beautifully sculpted and full of flowing lines and much as they are described in the fluff - the new ones for me don;t work as well - especially the seekers.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Hi,
many sources point to a Dark Elf armbook release in October. Here the latest 40k Radio rumours:

NEW RUMORS for Warhammer Fantasy! My "source" has sent me pictures of the new Dark Elf release. The Dark Elves will be out in October with a slew of new models:

1) NEW Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box(Makes Spearmen, swordsmen, & crossbowmen)
2) NEW PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks
3) NEW Plastic Blackguard/Executioners
4) NEW Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner(Pulled by horses)
5) NEW Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne(This model is AMAZING)
6) NEW Plastic Hydra/Kraken
7) NEW Plastic Witch Elf box

This will be a huge release and the Dark Elves will be the best looking Fantasy army, IMHO. These models are breathe taking and Dark Elf fans will have their minds blown!

 Therion wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Hi,
many sources point to a Dark Elf armbook release in October. Here the latest 40k Radio rumours:

NEW RUMORS for Warhammer Fantasy! My "source" has sent me pictures of the new Dark Elf release. The Dark Elves will be out in October with a slew of new models:

1) NEW Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box(Makes Spearmen, swordsmen, & crossbowmen)
2) NEW PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks
3) NEW Plastic Blackguard/Executioners
4) NEW Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner(Pulled by horses)
5) NEW Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne(This model is AMAZING)
6) NEW Plastic Hydra/Kraken
7) NEW Plastic Witch Elf box

This will be a huge release and the Dark Elves will be the best looking Fantasy army, IMHO. These models are breathe taking and Dark Elf fans will have their minds blown!

HOLY ****. Seriously. I don't say that often with regards to modern GW releases. But Dark Elves, especially if Jes Goodwin's been sculpting, with new everything it seems (I especially want Warriors and Dark Riders), will be the greatest release of all time, no doubt. Might have to order a massive Dark Elf army if this ends up being true.

EDIT: High Elves got screwed if the above list of releases is true.

Double EDIT: I hope Mat Ward or someone who knows what being competitive means wrote the book.

Translation: "I want my turn to be the most filthy, OP book!!!11!!1!!!!!1!"

And yes, how horrible of GW to not give High Elves a bazillion new plastic kits when the bulk of their army is already plastic, and instead put more resources into refreshing one of the oldest and most tired looking model lines in the game.
Boy, it must really suck to be a HE player who has a near entirely plastic army... I'm betting all those DE players are just seething in anger that they won't be able to build every single one of their Special units from Finecast boxes anymore.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
From Realm of Chaos - Slaves to Darkness (1988), "Like Slaanesh, the Daemonettes are beautiful, but their beauty is perverse and unnatural, and causes loathing rather than admiration."

"The Daemonettes stand nearly as tall as a man, and are white skinned with deep green saucer-like eyes. Their figures and faces are something like those of Human women, but they have only one breast... Their arms end in chitinous crab-like claws, they have two-toed, clawed feet and a razor edged tail."

While I can't argue with your personal opinion on the models' aesthetics, I can argue that Diaz's sculpts did not accurately represent the models as per their fluff. The new plastics are a spot on rendition of the daemonettes' original background, quoted above.

 Therion wrote:


Double EDIT: I hope Mat Ward or someone who knows what being competitive means wrote the book.

 Aerethan wrote:
99% likely that all the good magic items will either be removed or nerfed out of use.

My predictions:
Tome of Furion- dropped
Sacrificial Dagger- dropped or points increase beyond taking
Crimson Death- MIGHT be left alone
Lifetaker- dropped
Heartseeker- points increase
Armor of Darkness-removed because a crazy expensive verision already exists in the BRB
Armor of Eternal Servitude- removed or made to 55+ points
Null Talisman-removed or unable to stack beyond X imposed
Ring of Hotek- cost increase
Pendant of Khaeleth- removed or points increased to 55+
Guiding Eye- left alone, not currently broken or too cheap
Banner of Murder- removed because a crazy expensive verision already exists in the BRB
Banner of Hag Graef- removed or cost increase beyond use
Hydra Banner-removed(already a crap cost item)
Banner of Nagarythe- stay the same, and also be a stupid hard counter to some army therefore getting banned nearly everywhere.

 Aerethan wrote:
99% likely that all the good magic items will either be removed or nerfed out of use.

My predictions:
Tome of Furion- dropped
Sacrificial Dagger- dropped or points increase beyond taking
Crimson Death- MIGHT be left alone
Lifetaker- dropped
Heartseeker- points increase
Armor of Darkness-removed because a crazy expensive verision already exists in the BRB
Armor of Eternal Servitude- removed or made to 55+ points
Null Talisman-removed or unable to stack beyond X imposed
Ring of Hotek- cost increase
Pendant of Khaeleth- removed or points increased to 55+
Guiding Eye- left alone, not currently broken or too cheap
Banner of Murder- removed because a crazy expensive verision already exists in the BRB
Banner of Hag Graef- removed or cost increase beyond use
Hydra Banner-removed(already a crap cost item)
Banner of Nagarythe- stay the same, and also be a stupid hard counter to some army therefore getting banned nearly everywhere.

 silent25 wrote:

Sacrificial Dagger may turn into something similar to Ogre Gutscythe and have a rule where on a certain roll, the unit kills the caster.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
That or GW is reversing the 'no male wizards' thing that they replaced the no chariots of previous editions. Of course novels have already had male Wizards rolling around so it was kinda broken already.

 Aerethan wrote:
I agree that male Khainites are not very well represented in the army currently.

I'd also love to see assassins become worth taking.

furbyballer wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
I agree that male Khainites are not very well represented in the army currently.

I'd also love to see assassins become worth taking.

Assassins are already worth taking! Anything more will definitely be welcomed though!

furbyballer wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
I agree that male Khainites are not very well represented in the army currently.

I'd also love to see assassins become worth taking.

Assassins are already worth taking! Anything more will definitely be welcomed though!

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
That or GW is reversing the 'no male wizards' thing that they replaced the no chariots of previous editions. Of course novels have already had male Wizards rolling around so it was kinda broken already.

Warlocks seems an odd Khaine unit title for me. Was still hoping Disciples of Khaine would finally make an appearance, oh and still hoping for a Crone Hellebron figure.

On a side note, 4th edition Witchies suit me fine, I still have some kicking around and I sold two armies worth of Druchii in the past when I bailed on Fantasy twice. Yeah, I have a love/hate relationship with the fantasy rule set.

 Krinsath wrote:
Another major reason to be skeptical is a rumor of 7 new plastic kits including re-makes. If their most popular line for their most popular game only gets 4 new kits with a recut of their troops, I have a hard time believing they'd sink that much into a WHFB range at this point. Witch elves and a Black Guard/Executioner box would make sense, as would anything else eliminating FineCast, but if they didn't redo any of the high elf core boxes why would they redo 2 Dark Elf ones?

If you take the "already in plastic" nonsense out it becomes more credible, but this sounds like wishlisting/traffic grab more than a rumor I'd put any stock in without corroboration.

 silent25 wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
That or GW is reversing the 'no male wizards' thing that they replaced the no chariots of previous editions. Of course novels have already had male Wizards rolling around so it was kinda broken already.

Warlocks seems an odd Khaine unit title for me. Was still hoping Disciples of Khaine would finally make an appearance, oh and still hoping for a Crone Hellebron figure.

On a side note, 4th edition Witchies suit me fine, I still have some kicking around and I sold two armies worth of Druchii in the past when I bailed on Fantasy twice. Yeah, I have a love/hate relationship with the fantasy rule set.

Is Warlocks any odder than Witch Elves for the signature Khanite unit? If the recent plastic kits are any indicator, Hellebron may have parts in the Witch Elf kit. That there are no clamp packs may be GW assuming you can kitbash a Dreadlord on foot from the Ex/BG and Warrior kits.

Besides looking good, worry that all these infantry kits will be $50+ to match the current pricing for the WoC Forsaken and the HE Shadow Warrior kits.

Prediction for pricing:
1) NEW Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box $50/40€/£30
2) NEW PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks $40/35€/£25
3) NEW Plastic Blackguard/Executioners $50/40€/£30
4) NEW Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner $40/35€/£25
5) NEW Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne $85/65€/£50
6) NEW Plastic Hydra/Kraken $85/65€/£50
7) NEW Plastic Witch Elf box $50/40€/£30

So an army similar to current ones would cost:
40 Warriors: $200/160€/£120
4 x 5 Dark Riders: $160/140€/£100
20 BG: $100/80€/£60
30 Witch Elves: $150/120€/£90
2 Hydras: $170/130€/£100
1 Cauldron: $85/65€/£50
Total: $865/695€/£520

That is an expensive army. So while we're in the honeymoon phase right now of happy rumors, realizing that those figs will be a pretty penny. Best hope is that there is an equivalent to the Strike Force box form the SM with a similar cost savings.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I have the book and in that and looking on line - they still appear to have lots of sleek toned flesh on display?

They are referring to the vast under sexualization that Daemonettes received when they were last updated. No bare breasts/nipples.

I agree that if the new witches are not as seductive as they are written to be that the Ragin Heroes will be standing in for me.

My issue with the current Daemonettes versus the Diaz (?) ones was the latter were beautifully sculpted and full of flowing lines and much as they are described in the fluff - the new ones for me don;t work as well - especially the seekers.

Don't need bare breasts but hopefully the new Witch Elves will be both extremely deadily and very beatutiful - as they should be Its a sterotype/wish fulfillment but thats no bad thing

 Kanluwen wrote:
None of those price points make any kind of sense though.

Shadow Warriors/Sisters of Avelorn aren't core troops. They're Special/Rare.
At the absolute worst I would think $24.75 for 10 models on the Warrior/Witch Elf sets.
Thinking $29.00(worst case scenario: 33) for the Dark Riders/Warlocks(who after I did a bit of digging are mentioned in a roundabout way in "The Sundering" trilogy. They're not what you think they are.) double kit if the Empire Pistoliers/Outriders set or the Black Knight/Hexwraith kits are anything to go by.

Black Guard/Executioners I'm guessing will be something like $41.25 for 10.

Hopefully though we're not going to see 10 model sets and instead see sensible numbers given the size of infantry blocks this edition but I would not expect that.

 Kanluwen wrote:

None of those price points make any kind of sense though.

Shadow Warriors/Sisters of Avelorn aren't core troops. They're Special/Rare.
At the absolute worst I would think $24.75 for 10 models on the Warrior/Witch Elf sets.
Thinking $29.00(worst case scenario: 33) for the Dark Riders/Warlocks(who after I did a bit of digging are mentioned in a roundabout way in "The Sundering" trilogy. They're not what you think they are.) double kit if the Empire Pistoliers/Outriders set or the Black Knight/Hexwraith kits are anything to go by.

Black Guard/Executioners I'm guessing will be something like $41.25 for 10.

Hopefully though we're not going to see 10 model sets and instead see sensible numbers given the size of infantry blocks this edition but I would not expect that.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
My issue with the current Daemonettes versus the Diaz (?) ones was the latter were beautifully sculpted and full of flowing lines and much as they are described in the fluff - the new ones for me don;t work as well - especially the seekers.

From Realm of Chaos - Slaves to Darkness (1988), "Like Slaanesh, the Daemonettes are beautiful, but their beauty is perverse and unnatural, and causes loathing rather than admiration."

"The Daemonettes stand nearly as tall as a man, and are white skinned with deep green saucer-like eyes. Their figures and faces are something like those of Human women, but they have only one breast... Their arms end in chitinous crab-like claws, they have two-toed, clawed feet and a razor edged tail."

While I can't argue with your personal opinion on the models' aesthetics, I can argue that Diaz's sculpts did not accurately represent the models as per their fluff. The new plastics are a spot on rendition of the daemonettes' original background, quoted above.

 JOHIRA wrote:
Hmmm...Best of luck to the Dark Eldar players- your army catalog needs updating more than anyone else I can think of.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Erm ... Wood Elves?

 Krinsath wrote:
Brettonians are a bit long in the tooth as well. They still have *metal* models in their catalog for Pete's sake!

 Scott_K wrote:
Pictures, or it isn't real

 Kroothawk wrote:
Actually, this time I am looking forward to the limited edition armybook design. Was great for High ELves, will hopefully top that.

 JOHIRA wrote:
Hmmm...Best of luck to the Dark Eldar players- your army catalog needs updating more than anyone else I can think of.

Erm ... Wood Elves?

 Kroothawk wrote:
Actually, this time I am looking forward to the limited edition armybook design. Was great for High ELves, will hopefully top that.

 JOHIRA wrote:
Hmmm...Best of luck to the Dark Eldar players- your army catalog needs updating more than anyone else I can think of.

Erm ... Wood Elves?

Lion275 over at Warseer wrote:Even though it is 40k radio both myself and the other host both play a lot of WHFB. We can't and won't show pics unless our source gives us the ok. The pictures we have received are the high res pictures that will be in the WD. If you have any questions I will be more than happy to answer them to my utmost ability here or on our Facebook page.

As of right now we only have the pics, no details on the book. Last time we got the pictures and then the book a little later. As soon as we get more info we will pass it on. So as far as the weapons I can only go off the pictures. Here is what I see:

Warlocks appear to have one hand weapon
The new chariot crew is armed with spears and what looks to be a large crossbow or bolt thrower on the chariot.

The pictures have me thinking I want to collect another Dark Elves army. We have not received pics of any of the characters but that doesn't mean there won't be any.

The new Warriors look quite different to me. But then again I am a big geek that notices stuff like that. They have cloaks that come down their back and all the helmets don't cover the eyes any more.

The warlocks are bare chested, and the weapons look mundane...aka not glowing. They look like large jagged daggers. They are held in reverse grips which looks pretty slick. The warlock champions eyes are glowing which IMO hints at some magical abilities. md as far as the warriors go I think a big difference will be the size of them. Look at the size difference between Isle of Blood Lothern Sea Guard and the normal High Elves spearman.

Im really excited to hear about a plastic hydra finally.

It looks bigger and beefier. Like we said Dark Elves are setting the bar for the best range of models in WHFB.

Can you tell what size base the hydra is on?

I can't really tell from the pic. The two handlers are actually on the base so I don't have their base size to compare to. Sorry.

The cloaks hang down from underneath the shoulder armor and cover the back of the chain mail. It definitely is new for them but it looks really cool. The Druchii warriors also have shoulder armor. It makes them look simply awesome. The skull embossed on their shields looks great too. Yes the Hydra does have 2 handlers.

The Warriors, Black Guard, and Dark Riders all have cloaks. None of them appear to have face coverings. The Executioners appear to have skull faced helms. The theme to me appears to be a more sinister version of their High Elf bretheren. The plate armor has very spiked and jagged edges. The style will still fit well with the Shades and Reaper but next to these new models they will look very dated.

-The Kraken has 5 heads/fanged maws. The have spines and scales with smooth neck and belly flesh. Scales are painted a Dark Grey with the softer flesh painted blue. Looks awesome.
-The pictures we have of the Witch Elves has them with two hand weapons.
-Black Guard look very stalwart with large halberds and high helms with 3 spikes on each side with a flowing plume on top. Their armor is black trimmed in gold and they have dark purple cloaks. The unit champion is holding a sword by the hilt with the blade planted in the ground. Musician is a drummer.
-The executioners have what look like skull helms, and their armor is a brighter silver than the Black Guard. Their tunics are red in color and the Draiches are all held on the left hand side of their bodies (their left our right). They look very cool ranked up.

The Dark Riders are very cool looking. Sleek looking horses with only a bit of armor. All of the Riders are hunched over in the saddle to give the illusion of speeding fast cav. The helmets appear to be open faced and they are armed with spears in the picture I have, once again that doesn't mean they wont get crossbows (in the pictures we have they are in the back ground behind the Warlocks). The Kraken doesn't have tentacles, it has four legs with webbed appendages ending in claws and it also has a tail. The Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne look very cool. If you are a fan of the newer larger models GW has been putting out for WHFB you will really dig it. It is a bit toned down compared to the Empire Celestial Hurricanum/Luminark of Hysh and has blades and hooks on it to make it very sinister and Dark Elf. I also want to say thanks for such the warm welcome. I am glad that you guys are fired up for this release. As soon as more info becomes available to us I will share it on our Facebook and post here too. I will continue to answer questions about the models to the best of my ability and thank you for being very understanding as to why we cant release the pictures sent to us. You guys are awesome!

zhangyi over at Warseer wrote:so i've got something new to say.
someone just told me that dark elf have army-wide ASF rule.

Silvertongue over at Warseer wrote:More info from the FB thread:

Execs use swords (phew!). Black Guards look "amazing", with bulkier shoulders and tall helmets with plumes, so I guess pretty much like they look now (in that respect at least).
The Cauldron has six wheels and two staircases leading up to the platform with the big statue of Khaine. It is not pulled by anything, so maybe (my assumption it will be used like the Screaming Bell? Three Witch Elves on it, lots of spikes and blades.

Edit: and more! The Witch Elves have loincloths and bras (obviously) and look "vicious". On the Throne, there is something that looks like half-Witch Elf, half Medusa, with snakes as hair.

Now I'm almost literally foaming.

Also, weren't there, a month or so ago, a batch of rumours that said something like "Cauldron kit makes both the CoB and a Medusa thing" that we all thought were too wishlisty? It could be useful to find them and re-evaluate them.
(...)

Found it:

First post so be kind. I have a friend who works for GW and he told me about 2 weeks ago about a dual kit hydra / some other monster, dual kit plastic witch elves / sisters of slaughter, new cauldron and medusa kit thing was his exact words. not sure if anyone else has mentioned these.

By Arthurius11, in the now-locked thread that preceded this one. Now, we haven't heard anything about Sisters of Slaughter by the guys of 40k radio, but that doesn't mean it's not real. Perhaps it's a simple weapon swap that wasn't featured in the pics they received or something like that.

Edit: The new Hydra is beefier than the current one. And the WEs on the Throne use spears.

I have to say, they are being quite nice answering all my questions! I don't want to pester them, though.

Edit: Warlocks are bare-chested, with long flowing hair, painted white. They seem to have black eyes (or no eyes), except for the champion, whose eyes are glowing. Dark Riders are cloaked (of course), and hunched over in the saddle, in order to present a low profile.

And that should be all from me today. I need to sleep. Someone else ask them things!

DeathlessDraich over at Warseer wrote:The following might have already been mentioned - apologies - haven't read every post.
I can't verify the validity or the source. I think only one or 2 out of the 6 below will turn out to be true. We shall see - in the last week of September.

1) 2 new monsters (or monstrous units?) not 1. One monster from Karond Kar (Is this the Kraken? Does it fly? - I don't know) and the other may be from Har Ganeth

2) Temple of Khaine artifacts remain - Don't know whether there are new poisons or not

3) Maybe a new unit from Har Ganeth or a modification for Executioners?

4) Improved Assassins - could be a Save or improved Hidden rules.

5) I think rumours of City Guard, Slaves etc are probably hopeful speculation. Dark Magic and Black Horror will probably remain as do all the present units but following latest trends there are bound to be new units.

I am hoping for interesting new additions/improvements to the rules.

shabbadoo wrote:I would recommend that it might just be a good idea for everyone to NOT give anybody much of a hassle over this "wish-listy" list, because there is no wishing there at all. OK, before saying anything this sweeping and all-encompassing, I better look at it again...

Nope. Nothing wish-listy there apparently. If you play Dark Elves, and you like that list (and, yes, that is not everything), you might as well pop the champagne already. Pics ought to start oozing out within a week if this turns out anything like Space Marines did, and I will add that pre-orders ought to go up on the 28th.

Lastly, before anybody puts their head up there butt and asks, "But how do YOU know?", just consider that one reason that I (and probably others) really don't say much of anything is precisely because so many of you jack-holes (you know who you are) have become fixated on asking that particular question, and incredulously seem to expect an informative answer of some sort. Say thanks to 40K Radio for sharing, and be done with it.

(...)
People should have already pulled their head out of their butts on that issue when GW redid the Empire Cores, the Skaven Core, and the Beastmen Core. GW is obviously redoing the the poorer looking plastics as they can. Just because they do it for some armies and not for others doesn't mean that they have no plans to replace the poorer sets at all. They just don't have limitless production capability is all. As it seems like most everyone is mellowing out now, here is a small tidbit:

I honestly can't wait to see the pseudo-Medusa of the Blood Throne. It can be really awesome or horrid. I'm hoping for awesome!

It is definitely awesome. It looks somewhat like the Medusa from Clash of the Titans (the newer version of the movie)- snake from the waste down, hair of snakes, not too monstrous of a face; the pose is upright (body up high, supported by the tail). I don't know if players will be able to field this model on a base as its own unit or not (i.e. has its own independent unit entry in the army list), as has been the case with some other combo-kit models like this (the High Elf Lothern Skycutter Lord with trident on foot for instance). As to the crew of the Cauldron of Blood, they are in the style of the plastic Dark Elf Sorceress but are more dynamic with regard to the poses. Armies made up of only the newer models are going to look great on the game table.

As to the rest, I'll leave it to 40k Radio (who did a fine job with the Space Marines info, regardless of what some intarwebz fools with a seeming sense of entitlement might think) and others to drop, as they will no doubt do a great job this time around too. Pics should show up pretty soon I think, as more an more people have now seen them (and pre-orders are only 3 weeks away, or so I have been led to believe).

 Aerethan wrote:
We need pics!!!

My wallet hates this news.

RiTides wrote:Kroot, in your opinion does this really mean no mystery box, or could both somehow happen?

Kroothawk wrote:2.) This is the main October release. Doesn't completely rule out the mystery box, which was mostly rumoured to be a late month release (late September or late October). GW is not beyond big secret unadvertised releases, as the new spray paints show.

 KoganStyle wrote:
I really hope this is true, but won't it clash with the rumoured Inquisition skirmish game?

Lion275 wrote:

SVKBaki wrote:Just some thoughts on that.

1. You have a hi-res pics from some source, fine. (therefore no early WD in the mail, I assume)
2. You can´t show them, for the safety of your sorce, completely understandable to me.
3. This forum is publicly accessible, somebody from GW is always reading it (we know it, few threads were under investigation and were put down)
4. The GW design studio is quite small, few people are working on DE release, so quite easily trackable the leak.

Conclusion: Aren´t you already hurting your source with accurately describing so much info weeks before release? Even Harry and Hastings told only some bits here and there, and never openly in any way.

Jut posting this in order for some of you to be not sad and delusioned, like you were after Empire release, which at first looked like release of the millenium. Anyways, is there any proof that the Lion is connected to 40K radio? The part with greek mythology style medusa is the hardest to believe for me.

Just some critical thinking, no offense of any kind intended.

Remember, remember,
The Ghost 21 ,
The Empire treason and plot,
I know of no reason
Why the Empire treason
Should ever be forgot!

I am indeed connected to 40k Radio. My name is Rik and I am one of the co-hosts along with Kyle and Chad. Feel free to drop by our facebook and I will gladly answer it on there too. My source has said I have free will to talk about and describe the pictures I have seen. I DO NOT have permission to put them up. Someone has been nice enough to send us pictures of the last two releases early and sent of the Space Marine codex early. So why would I betray his trust just to "prove" I am legit? The proof will come when the WD pics start coming out.

Ok so when we asked our source why the Dark Elves release was so large we got this answer:

Because many of the Dark Elves were so old and the poor designs were showing their age. They weren't getting any fan attention so they needed a full reboot.

Nice to see GW taking notice of models that are or aren't working.

So to answer the chariot question: It looks very sleek. The wheel is on the back part of the chariot. The chariot is very low to the ground. Once again it sounds weird but looks cool. Very low profile and ready to smash people.

As to the models I am looking forward to the most that is a really tough question. From a purely selfish standpoint the Warriors. From the look of them with some minor adjustments they would make great High Elves spear men. Over all though I would have to say Black Guard. Standing strong in their armor with burly looking halberds I would say they look the coolest IMO.

The only character picture we seem to have at the moment is Hellebron. That doesn't mean there wont be more.

The Executioners armor is a mixture of armor plates and chain mail.

Lion275 wrote:

Ramius4 wrote:
Thanks again Lion I am assuming the regular, cold one chariot has 2 wheels correct?

Nope both chariots have the one wheel. Cold One chariot has lots of blades of the front. Looks really good.

Lion275 wrote:

Ramius4 wrote:
Thanks again Lion I am assuming the regular, cold one chariot has 2 wheels correct?

Nope both chariots have the one wheel. Cold One chariot has lots of blades of the front. Looks really good.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Lion275 wrote:

Ramius4 wrote:
Thanks again Lion I am assuming the regular, cold one chariot has 2 wheels correct?

Nope both chariots have the one wheel. Cold One chariot has lots of blades of the front. Looks really good.

I am quite certain that the chariot has one axle and two wheels though

 Kroothawk wrote:

Lion275 wrote:

Ramius4 wrote:
Thanks again Lion I am assuming the regular, cold one chariot has 2 wheels correct?

Nope both chariots have the one wheel. Cold One chariot has lots of blades of the front. Looks really good.

I am quite certain that the chariot has one axle and two wheels though

1) NEW Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box (Makes Spearmen, swordsmen, & crossbowmen)
The new Warriors look quite different to me. But then again I am a big geek that notices stuff like that. They have cloaks that come down their back and all the helmets don't cover the eyes any more.
The cloaks hang down from underneath the shoulder armor and cover the back of the chain mail. It definitely is new for them but it looks really cool. The Druchii warriors also have shoulder armor. It makes them look simply awesome. The skull embossed on their shields looks great too.
The Warriors, Black Guard, and Dark Riders all have cloaks. None of them appear to have face coverings.
It does not appear that any of the banners have designs sculpted onto them. The pictures we have of the warriors show 2 regiments, one armed with swords and shields and one armed with spears and shield. Our source tell us that they will make crossbows but we don't have a picture of them.

2) NEW PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks
Warlocks appear to have one hand weapon
The warlocks are bare chested, and the weapons look mundane...aka not glowing. They look like large jagged daggers. They are held in reverse grips which looks pretty slick. The warlock champions eyes are glowing which IMO hints at some magical abilities.
The Warriors, Black Guard, and Dark Riders all have cloaks. None of them appear to have face coverings.
The Dark Riders are very cool looking. Sleek looking horses with only a bit of armor. All of the Riders are hunched over in the saddle to give the illusion of speeding fast cav. The helmets appear to be open faced and they are armed with spears in the picture I have, once again that doesn't mean they wont get crossbows (in the pictures we have they are in the back ground behind the Warlocks).
There does not appear to be a command group for the Warlocks, only a unit champion.

3) NEW Plastic Blackguard/Executioners
The Warriors, Black Guard, and Dark Riders all have cloaks. None of them appear to have face coverings. The Executioners appear to have skull faced helms. The theme to me appears to be a more sinister version of their High Elf bretheren. The plate armor has very spiked and jagged edges. The style will still fit well with the Shades and Reaper but next to these new models they will look very dated.
-Black Guard look very stalwart with large halberds and high helms with 3 spikes on each side with a flowing plume on top. Their armor is black trimmed in gold and they have dark purple cloaks. The unit champion is holding a sword by the hilt with the blade planted in the ground. Musician is a drummer.
-The executioners have what look like skull helms, and their armor is a brighter silver than the Black Guard. Their tunics are red in color and the Draiches are all held on the left hand side of their bodies (their left our right). They look very cool ranked up.
The Executioner champ is armed with an axe and is holding the decapitated head of a High Elf. Pretty dang cool.

4) NEW Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner (Pulled by horses)
The new chariot crew is armed with spears and what looks to be a large crossbow or bolt thrower on the chariot.
For the Scroungerunner charoit the crew look similar to Corsairs. The passenger shooting the crossbow/boltthrower has what appears to be a sea dragon cloak on. There are reins but they look like just normal black leather. The horses look awesome and angry. Both are black in color with red eyes. The chariot only has one wheel that is centered on the back part. Sounds stupid, looks cool. And as usual nasty spikes and blades al
And yes the Cold Ones on the chariot match the current Cold One Knights.


5) NEW Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne (This model is AMAZING)
The Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne look very cool. If you are a fan of the newer larger models GW has been putting out for WHFB you will really dig it. It is a bit toned down compared to the Empire Celestial Hurricanum/Luminark of Hysh and has blades and hooks on it to make it very sinister and Dark Elf.
The Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne are on a bigger base than the chariot base.
Yes the Cauldron and the Blood throne both have 6 wheels. They are on the same chassis, just with different stuff on the altar. I just noticed that the Witch Elves on Blood Throne have metal masks that cover the front of their face with the exception of their chin and mouth area and of course their eyes.
Ok and now to answer the Medusa question: She has the lower body of a snake and it appears there are other snakes on her base. The right side of her torso is bare, including her breast. In her right hand she is holding a spear. She has armor over her left breast and has a nasty looking clawed gauntlet on her hand. Her mouth is agape and she has snakes for hair. There is also a significant amount of blood on the model.

6) NEW Plastic Hydra/Kraken
About Hydra:It looks bigger and beefier.
Yes the Hydra does have 2 handlers.
-The Kraken has 5 heads/fanged maws. The have spines and scales with smooth neck and belly flesh. Scales are painted a Dark Grey with the softer flesh painted blue. Looks awesome.
The Kraken doesn't have tentacles, it has four legs with webbed appendages ending in claws and it also has a tail.
Yes the Kraken has multiple heads. From the pic it looks like there is one main head with eyes and the other four necks end with fanged maws. Very cool looking. It may sound stupid to people as it is walking but wait until the picture comes out before passing judgement.
You have to clear your head of any preconceived notions of what a Kraken is or looks like. Because lets face it, an 8 legged octopus creature flopping around on land would just not look right. It has 4 limbs that end in webbed feet with claws on them. It also has 5 heads. The main head has beady little eyes right above the mouth. The lower jaw on the main head extends kind of like an octopus tentacle but with teeth on it. The other heads end in an mouth with teeth and 4 claws around the head that look to facilitate grabbing their next meal.

7) NEW Plastic Witch Elf box
-The pictures we have of the Witch Elves has them with two hand weapons.
The witches are also sporting thigh high boots and are very dynamic with their poses. I wonder how much of a pain in the butt it will be to get them to rank up.
The Witch Elves look great. No mowhawks or anything like that. Long flowing hair, thigh high black boots and red loincloths and for lack of a better terms bras. They appear to have open mouths so lord only knows what they are saying before they come in and hack my poor High Elves to bits.
There appears to be a command group for the Witch Elves.

Crone Hellebron?
-Apparently one of the pics we have is Crone Hellebron. She is a little more armored up than a normal WE. She has a sword and a small blade (I am thinking Deathsword and Parrying Blade). She definitely has the big hair like in her artwork in the current army book.She looks young like a regular WE. She has a a bit more clothing, but not much. She has a gold mask covering her face that extends upwards in a crown like fashion. Both arms are raised towards the sky.

ChargeAndDie over at Warseer wrote:Kraken has 4 s7 attacks and if all hit, additional d6 s7 attacks. Scourgerunner has s7 bolt thrower with no armor saves (fluff - they use this to hunt monsters). Signature spell boosts strength by 1 and adds d3 power dice. And someone mentioned army wide ASF.

Haight wrote:Black guard with no helmets ? Eh ?

Black Guard look very stalwart with large halberds and high helms

Haight wrote:Executioner champ with an axe ? Executioner's "chosen weapon is the draich", why would they have a different weapon ?

Haight wrote:Cauldron of blood on a monster or bigger base i can see , but with 6 wheels ?

Haight wrote:Medusa : Bare breasted models ? Even the daemonettes released in plastic the last few years dialed back from full breast nudity in models. I might be off on this one, but i'm drawing a blank if there's been a bare breasted model released. Nearly so, sure, but fully ?

 Haight wrote:
Some of the above just.... doesn't sound right. Or at least odd.

Black guard with no helmets ? Eh ?

 Haight wrote:
Executioner champ with an axe ? Executioner's "chosen weapon is the draich", why would they have a different weapon ?

 Haight wrote:
Cauldron of blood on a monster or bigger base i can see , but with 6 wheels ?

 Haight wrote:
Medusa : Bare breasted models ? Even the daemonettes released in plastic the last few years dialed back from full breast nudity in models. I might be off on this one, but i'm drawing a blank if there's been a bare breasted model released. Nearly so, sure, but fully ?

 Haight wrote:
Army wide ASF: This seems... off. Why would they give two armies effectively the same USR ? If the justification is "well ya know, they're all elves from the same place", then woodies will it too by that logic when they get rebooted. Just stinks of being lazy to me, and when a rumor sounds lazy i question it. I have a hard time thinking that a rules designer (having been one!) will submit a mailed in idea like "Uh, well, how about army wide always strikes first *whistles innocently hoping no one recalls the entire High Elves army*", and the development manager just glossing over that fact, and accepts it, and no one really raising any concerns or complaints to it until it becomes the armies new USR.

 RiTides wrote:
I just don't believe we'll see seven plastic kits... too far fetched!

 Mountain-Breaker wrote:
Well I can only hope that the new book will bring a less completely broken Dark Elves. And then maybe, finally, they will get around to doing books that nees a redo: Dwarfs, Beastmen, Wood Elves, Brettons. At least this may even out the Dark Elves.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Mountain-Breaker wrote:
Well I can only hope that the new book will bring a less completely broken Dark Elves. And then maybe, finally, they will get around to doing books that nees a redo: Dwarfs, Beastmen, Wood Elves, Brettons. At least this may even out the Dark Elves.

I'm quite happy to wait on a Dwarf update until a theoretical 9th edition drops - I shudder at the thought of what they'd do to the rune system in the current design paradigm...

Lion275 over at Warseer wrote:It is indeed the same source that has provided us the Space Marine pictures and codex.
(...)
According to our source DE were one of the worst selling ranges GW had. I assume they didn't touch HE Spearmen because for some reason they still sell...
(...)
In the pictures I have of the Cauldron of Blood it is just the model with nothing pushing it. It is weird that it does have wheels but nothing pulling. Who knows maybe we will see it getting pushed around like the Screaming Bell.

shabbadoo over at Warseer wrote:A bit more detail on the Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne:

The whole contraption is a large lower platform on six wheels with a smaller raised platform towards the rear, which is reached by two staircases that curve from the lower center outward to the left and right front of the upper platform. The upper platform is where the Hag stands/Medusa is coiled. Near the top of each staircase is a witch elf guard, and they stand with their feet on different levels of the stairs in a nice "guarding" action pose. Those that guard the Medusa have spears, which they are pointing down the stairs, as if threatening anything that might come up them. The Medusa's right arm is holding high a spear, point upwards, and her right breast is bare. Also, the Medusa's body is covered in scattered small cuts from which drips blood. The paint job is in the very clean GW style and looks very nice, but I do look forward to somebody doing a bit grittier, more realistic paint job on the Medusa in particular. Seriously, the Medusa is a pretty badarse model, and anybody who doesn't like it should be publicly ostracized. Behind the Medusa is what looks like a large mirror on a pedestal. The mirror frame is gold, and depicts cavorting Witch Elves. The mirror is painted to look like what appears to be a row of moons in a clear blue daytime sky (i.e. the mirror "looks through to another world" type of thing is what they were going for, I guess). Also, Lion mentioned snakes at the base of the Medusa's tail, but it may be that it is the Medusa's tail that actually splits into multiple serpents itself, as the snakes are painted a similar (though slightly lighter) shade of green to the Medusa's lower snake body. The angle of the pic doesn't show which is the case, so we'll most likely have to wait for the pre-order pics to determine that. For the Cauldron of Blood, at the back of the upper platform behind the Hag is the obligatory large statue of Khaine, sword held aloft.

Lion has described the other models well enough, but I think you can figure out which one of the bunch is my favorite. Pics ought to drop soon (probably this weekend), but it won't be me doing it. That's about all I am going to share. If I hadn't already started High Elves when the Isle of Blood starter set came out, I would be doing Dark Elves. It is going to be very difficult to resist staring them.

Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box £30
PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks £25
Plastic Blackguard/Executioners £30
Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner £25
Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne £50
Plastic Hydra/Kraken £50
Plastic Witch Elf box £30

silent25 wrote:Prediction for pricing:
1) NEW Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box $50/40€/£30
2) NEW PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks $40/35€/£25
3) NEW Plastic Blackguard/Executioners $50/40€/£30
4) NEW Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner $40/35€/£25
5) NEW Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne $85/65€/£50
6) NEW Plastic Hydra/Kraken $85/65€/£50
7) NEW Plastic Witch Elf box $50/40€/£30

 Bolognesus wrote:
I suspect a lot of Reaper Bones hydras (pretty cool model, painting one right now and it well exceeds my expectations) with some modded DElves plastic infantry as handlers will be seeing the tabletop soon, with a 50 quid pricetag on GWs offering. Dang, that's a lot. Not that the current price is that much better but at least there wasn't much of an alternative, up until recently.

 silent25 wrote:
Daigar over at Warseer claims to have received a pricing list from a reseller for the DE release.

Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box £30
PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks £25
Plastic Blackguard/Executioners £30
Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner £25
Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne £50
Plastic Hydra/Kraken £50
Plastic Witch Elf box £30

Just to compare to my prediction on page 3 of this thread:

silent25 wrote:Prediction for pricing:
1) NEW Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box $50/40€/£30
2) NEW PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks $40/35€/£25
3) NEW Plastic Blackguard/Executioners $50/40€/£30
4) NEW Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner $40/35€/£25
5) NEW Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne $85/65€/£50
6) NEW Plastic Hydra/Kraken $85/65€/£50
7) NEW Plastic Witch Elf box $50/40€/£30

Was hoping the warrior box would be cheaper, but it looks like $50/40€/£30 for 10 infantry is the new normal. The $50 for 10 was a worst case estimate base off the price for the Forsaken. Given GW just release new Space Marine Tacticals at $40 made me think the price would be more in that range. That means that should GW normalize their prices again, core infantry boxes will be going up ~65% to 100%. Ugh....

Only other hope is that these prices are actually just echos of my prediction bouncing back to me.

 Cirronimbus wrote:
I have a hard time believing they'd make the core Warriors the same price point as the Black Guard, was expected $29-35 there ala Savage Orcs or older kits. Also I'm surprised there's no $85 model, similar to the Wraithknight or Carnosaur. I was expecting the Hydra to be $85. Makes me think these could be a tad fishy...

If they charge $50 for 10 core models on 20mm bases they're not going to see a huge increase in sales (tbh I've never actually seen the Forsaken models on the table, they MUST be selling badly) I really want this whole "replace the range because the models are awful" strategy to work for them because I want new damn Tomb Kings core.

Edit: 50 quid is $85... whoops. Ok so there is an expensive one.

 silent25 wrote:

 Cirronimbus wrote:
I have a hard time believing they'd make the core Warriors the same price point as the Black Guard, was expected $29-35 there ala Savage Orcs or older kits. Also I'm surprised there's no $85 model, similar to the Wraithknight or Carnosaur. I was expecting the Hydra to be $85. Makes me think these could be a tad fishy...

If they charge $50 for 10 core models on 20mm bases they're not going to see a huge increase in sales (tbh I've never actually seen the Forsaken models on the table, they MUST be selling badly) I really want this whole "replace the range because the models are awful" strategy to work for them because I want new damn Tomb Kings core.

Edit: 50 quid is $85... whoops. Ok so there is an expensive one.

All the kits my FLGS got in with the initial release have been sitting there ever since. Were marked down 25% and they are still sitting there. Some nice bits in there for conversions, but not at $50 or $37.50.

 TBD wrote:
I have a hard time believing the Warriors and Witch Elves would be 40,- euros for only 10 models. That would be a new level of rediculous.

We'll see though.

 TBD wrote:
I have a hard time believing the Warriors and Witch Elves would be 40,- euros for only 10 models. That would be a new level of rediculous.

We'll see though.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 TBD wrote:
I have a hard time believing the Warriors and Witch Elves would be 40,- euros for only 10 models. That would be a new level of rediculous.

We'll see though.

You should go take a look at the High Elf release from earlier this year and reconsider your opinion.

 cincydooley wrote:
I have to say the new cauldron of blood kit looks amazing in both iterations.

Scroungerunner

 warspawned wrote:

Scroungerunner

Hardly a name to inspire fear is it? The DE's are hear to scrounge you out of all your possessions

Surely Scourgerunner? That's far more in the GW Thesaurus.

4) NEW Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner(Pulled by horses)

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 TBD wrote:
I have a hard time believing the Warriors and Witch Elves would be 40,- euros for only 10 models. That would be a new level of rediculous.

We'll see though.

You should go take a look at the High Elf release from earlier this year and reconsider your opinion.

None of those were Core options though.

via an Anonymous Source
Dark Elves
First Month
Advanced order/white dwarf from Sat 28th Sept. (so the studio can talk about them at UK GD)
On shelves Sat 5th Oct.
-most of the plastics already mentioned-

Second month
Advanced order/White dwarf from Sat 26th Oct.
On shelves Sat 2nd Nov.
-even more plastic crack Inc. Shadowblade plastic clampack by far the best model of range IMHO

Release Schedule
September - 1st Dark Elves Advanced Orders/ On the Shelf October 5th
October - 2nd Dark ElvesAdvanced Orders/ On the Shelf November 2nd
November - Desolation of Smaug and dark elf army box pre-orders/ Released December 7th
December: Tyranids Pre-Orders/ Released January 4th

grimdark83 wrote:
so the darkelves are going to be spread among 3 months? I call BS

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
On the pricing, Corsairs are currently £15.50 for ten models. So I don't see them making the new Warriors boxset £30 for ten as that would just mean less people using Warriors as Corsairs are cheaper.

Unless they double the price of Corsairs, that is.

zhangyi over at Warseer wrote:so it's clear now, that DE will be released during two months. October we will have warrior, witch elves, blood throne, Kharibdyss (dont know what is it), and a plastic shadowblade.
as we can see GW has put bg, chariot and dark riders to next month along with innocence(the 40K table game,i'm 95% certain that it will be in November). for good reason we can split our money to two months. that's really kind.
for the price:
shadowblade, £12
warrior,£20
witch,£35
throne,£45
kha…balabalabala,£40
(...)
i cant say where i get these news. but it's certain, and we only have these toys this month. do not be disappointed, cause it's clear we have a second wave.

melonmelon over at Warseer wrote:October release:

Dreadspears(Warriors?) £20
Shadowblade £12
Witch Elves £35
Cauldron of Blood £45
Kharibdyss £40

from indie retailer, BTW no pic.

edit: Army book and Magic Card set too, but no "battleforce".

 Kroothawk wrote:
I am just the messenger

zhangyi over at Warseer wrote:so it's clear now, that DE will be released during two months. October we will have warrior, witch elves, blood throne, Kharibdyss (dont know what is it), and a plastic shadowblade.
as we can see GW has put bg, chariot and dark riders to next month along with innocence(the 40K table game,i'm 95% certain that it will be in November). for good reason we can split our money to two months. that's really kind.
for the price:
shadowblade, £12
warrior,£20
witch,£35
throne,£45
kha…balabalabala,£40
(...)
i cant say where i get these news. but it's certain, and we only have these toys this month. do not be disappointed, cause it's clear we have a second wave.

melonmelon over at Warseer wrote:October release:

Dreadspears(Warriors?) £20
Shadowblade £12
Witch Elves £35
Cauldron of Blood £45
Kharibdyss £40

from indie retailer, BTW no pic.

edit: Army book and Magic Card set too, but no "battleforce".

 Aerethan wrote:
Wait, so the army book doesn't drop until a month after the first models? Those models will sell for crap until we have a book and know if they are worth taking at all.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
Wait, so the army book doesn't drop until a month after the first models? Those models will sell for crap until we have a book and know if they are worth taking at all.

Maybe, but if the models are good enough I can see people buying them blind.

Plus it might be a way to alleviate the stock issues that some people have reported.

 Aerethan wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
Wait, so the army book doesn't drop until a month after the first models? Those models will sell for crap until we have a book and know if they are worth taking at all.

Maybe, but if the models are good enough I can see people buying them blind.

Plus it might be a way to alleviate the stock issues that some people have reported.

The only models I've ever bought without reading the book first are characters that I want to paint regardless of how good they are.

I'm not going to drop $200 on some models that MIGHT be useful.

Honestly, GW could release books a week before models and see a better spread in sales since it gives people time to work out their lists and plan their purchases.

A November book means that I won't actually be buying any models until nearly December when I've got my main list finalized.

 Aerethan wrote:
Wait, so the army book doesn't drop until a month after the first models?

 Zweischneid wrote:
Why are there no links to the original source of this?

 Aerethan wrote:
As it stands, I already own 25 spears and 40 cross bows, so if I do buy the new core it will be for swordsmen ony.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
As it stands, I already own 25 spears and 40 cross bows, so if I do buy the new core it will be for swordsmen ony.

Reminds me of 3rd edition Dark Eldar players ...

BTW here a Chinese store listing the new Dark Elf products (found by Tyras over at Warseer, no pics yet):
http://wargame.taobao.com/category-53916176.htm?spm=a1z10.5.w4002-162256593.60.2DrXBY&mid=w-162256593-0&search=y&parentCatId=53915644&parentCatName=%D6%D0%B9%C5%D5%BD%B4%B8&catName=Dark+Elves+%B0%B5%BE%AB&catId=53916176&pageNo=2#anchor

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Odd, don't we normally have leaked pics by now?

Glemigobles over at Warseer wrote:Ok, so as it was already said here - Dark elves are coming 05.X.13 and we won't get all the things listed by Lion. As mentioned before:
Book - 20 eur
Magic cards - 3 eur
Dark Elves Dreadspears - 18 eur
Dark Elves Witch Elves - 30 eur
Dark Elves Kharibdyss/Hydra - 35eur
Dark Elves Cauldron of Blood - 38 eur
Shadowblade - 10 eur

Prices given for Polish retailers
(...)
Yup my bad - real names are:
Witch elves/Sisters of Slaughter
Cauldron/Bloodwrack Shrine
Dreadspears/Darkshards/Bleakswords

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Rumour from me, I was told that there was no release in october. Although it might be my source falling from grace.

Dreadspears/Darkshards/Bleakswords

 RiTides wrote:

Dreadspears/Darkshards/Bleakswords

Wow...

 RiTides wrote:
Kan, are you serious?

"Bleakswords"?

 Kroothawk wrote:

Glemigobles over at Warseer wrote:Ok, so as it was already said here - Dark elves are coming 05.X.13 and we won't get all the things listed by Lion. As mentioned before:

Stuff

 Ouze wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Just noticed the big guy's name: "Slaughterbrute"

They could only branch out That far from 40k's "Maulerfiend"? Really?

Other possible upcoming monsters:

Killermonster
Murderyheti
Assaultgoliath

Well, consider that idea stolen.

 TBD wrote:
Those (low) prices can't possibly be correct?

Maybe those are the prices in pounds.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Urge to go put on my pirate hat... rising!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Urge to go put on my pirate hat... rising!

What, you don't always wear one?

Kroothawk wrote:

Glemigobles over at Warseer wrote:Ok, so as it was already said here - Dark elves are coming 05.X.13 and we won't get all the things listed by Lion. As mentioned before:(...)

pretre wrote:More warseer confirmation:
via Glemigobles on Warseer
Ok, so as it was already said here - Dark elves are coming 05.X.13 and we won't get all the things listed by Lion. As mentioned before:

 Kroothawk wrote:
You should check the thread before posting (esp when copying faeit212)

Warhammer: Elfi Oscuri 39€
Magia da Guerra di Warhammer: Elfi Oscuri 4,50€
Lance del Terrore/Schegge Oscure/Spade Tetre degli Elfi Oscuri 24€
Elfe Streghe/Sorelle del Massacro degli Elfi Oscuri 42€
Idra/Kharibdyss degli Elfi Oscuri 48€
Calderone del Sangue/Trono Carcassa di Sangue 54€
Shadowblade 14,50€

 Kroothawk wrote:
You didn't see the last 3 posts?

 Krinsath wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
You didn't see the last 3 posts?

Joking aside, is this the longest GW has actually managed to prevent leaked images from showing up online or am I having a case of selective memory?

 Kroothawk wrote:
You didn't see the last 3 posts?
BTW natfka edited the original post without saying so.

 RiTides wrote:

Dreadspears/Darkshards/Bleakswords

Wow...

 reds8n wrote:





... blimey ! The Fishmen are coming...

 pities2004 wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:

Joking aside, is this the longest GW has actually managed to prevent leaked images from showing up online or am I having a case of selective memory?

What does the fox say?

Kolbalt266 wrote:


The new fishing expansion to Dreadfleet!!!!!..... Exactly what I was waiting for